Genesis 2007 Tour Firth of Fifth Philadelphia 09/20/07

[jensen91865]

FUCK DARYL STUERMER STEVE HACKETT WAS FAR FAR BETTER THAN THIS JEAN LUC PONTY REJECT!!!!!

[giannichiesa]

Steve Hackett the best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MemoriamDe]

One should respect the development of a band. That's life! I guess, most of the people here still can not even play guitar...

[christyjime1]

I guess I have an untrained musical ear, because it sounded like a pretty good guitar solo to me.

[NelsonRodrigoMartins]

A very wonderful play by all and Daryl is tremendous. It is a different Genesis, although I liked more and grew up with the more progressive times, it is a recognized good effort.

[corum428]

Is it possible to fuck up Hacketts solo any worse than this !!!

[dvaidr]

Collins is a little tosser. I love Genesis, proper, but can't get away with Collins' psuedo-Genesis. No comparison.

[gatolocoverga152]

daryl GOD!!!!!!!!!!!

[zeppelinn]

Guys, give that Daryl a break. Of course he can't carry that magical weirdness of Hackett's playing but IMO that solo was tasty anyway.

[Tommygun1028]

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[69proge]

gets me cold vibes!!!!!!

[gideonquinn]

What was I thinking, gormax, having an opinion. Silly old me.

You twit.

[gideonquinn]

Hackett plays this solo note for note - may as well stay at home ans listen to the album. Daryl (who's been playing this song with the band since 1984) plays with heart, vigour and enthusiasm. Steve may have written the solo, but Daryl perfected it.

[gormarx]

@gideonquinn Right, and Frusciante is better than Hendrix. Seldom people write something as stupid as what you posted, kid. Daryl sounds like a guitarist in a bad Mexican hotel.

[IntuitionDigression]

@gideonquinn Who is Daryl? Never heard of him

[gideonquinn]

@IntuitionDigression his name is in the video description. You don't know much about Genesis if you've never heard of him. Given that the "other" guitarist left 33 years ago I reckon you need to get your head in the present :)

[IntuitionDigression]

@gideonquinn I can sing and play all songs of Genesis before 1977. I am not willing to lose time with the last 33 years pop band: I like classical, jazz, and serious rock music, not popular music for unskilled ears. If I were to listen to pop music, I would turn to other singers and bands, much better than the last-33 years Genesis

[Shaggyshadric]

@IntuitionDigression then you can hardly complain about never having heard of him can you hahaha :p He's the guitarist they bring in to play Steve Hacketts parts live. They've had him for decades. He's not officially a band member, more like a session musician, but he's been their second guitarist for live shows since 1978...ignoring the calling all stations period of course, but then again most people do try to ignore it...

[taijiguy]

Very stiff and mechanical. OK, boring.

[rpeggio]

The sustain and tone needed for this song requires a double-coil pickup/humbucker, the single coil is just too thin sounding for this material. Sorry dude. Just a fact.

[jhowerton123]

@rpeggio I think there is heart in Darryl's playing he just plays a different style than Hackett. Darryl is much faster along the neck. And, the tempo of this song is much faster than originally done. Believe me, I love Genesis as much as anyone.

[FUKIMAKAI]

genesis seguiría sonando tan bien como antes si tony banks contara con los teclados que lo caracterizaron (órgano hammond t102 y ciertos sintetizadores) y no se hubiera despedido de muchos de ellos en 1980 y 1984 o por ahí. 1980 fue el último año en que tony banks usó su querido organo hammond t102. hasta 1984 usó un prophet 10 que sonaba parecido pero no igual. igualmente, deshacerse de esos organos fue la perdida del sonido de genesis.

[kylehudson00]

Oh dear. Some of you bitter old fellers need to get over it.

[romgum]

what´s this...?????

Sorry, please it´s no a Steve Hackett, it´s a Daryl Stuermer, thats it !! Get no!!!

[Screentan]

They really should have left out this song. It's un-doable without Hackett.

No heart in that guitar solo whatsoever from...that dude.

[mikemacjunkie1]

@Screentan Daryl is a great guitar player. Each brings his own type of solo!! But I'm SO GLAD they played this because it was Phil drumming without Chester for the first part and the keyboards in this are phenomenal. Not to mention the awesome bass line also. This right here before the solo is Genesis itself, just the 3 of them. Then Chester & Daryl join for the guitar solo part. Firth is a classic in the catalogue & both versions are great in their own way!

[lennonglass]

steve hackett is the best

[helmuthb]

Sorry to say, it reminds me of a programmed Synclavier and followed by a slight Joe Satriani (or similar) vibe. Anyway, to see PC charging tickett money for this package I can only say: Robbery, Asshole And Battery!!!!

[gowestward1]

I saw Genesis with Steve Hackett and while Daryl is an excellent guitarist, it was something about Hackett's playing that gave this song, as well as others, more depth and emotion.

[gatolocoverga152]

fuck off all everbody . .. no matter whaterver cunts said about this .daryl rules !!

[ocean686]

awesome

[heladodefrutilla]

I can´t understand so many people saying awful things about this video... Genesis was and still is an amazing band. First era and second era are both amazing, each one in its particular way. And they are all amazing musicians and writers. And Daryl Streumer plays an excellent guitar solo. Stop being stupid! They rocked then and they rock now... Genesis forever... =)

[aijaijvagrarfettbra]

tror snubben att han e nån jävla van halen? tönt

[magocacana]

the solo is shit

[gatolocoverga152]

@magocacana may be cos you realy wanker or faggot ....o not?.

[magocacana]

@gatolocoverga152 or maybe because you are a poor little idiot..

[gideonquinn]

Anyone who'd sooner listen to Calling All Stations than Both Sides needs their ears syringing. Oh, and Daryl takes Hackett's solo and pisses all over it here - fantastic.

[tottiescot]

giddy?.. take yer head outa yer ass xx

[Aresius42]

and that's the way to kill the best band ever... i'm crying.

[5four]

yeah , not the tune / solo to shred on 4 sure. if he had half the chops of hackett i might have watched the whole thing : (

[Shaggyshadric]

Streumer needs to learn how to slow it down.

[RipplesBlueGirl]

Hey, I was here @ the Wachovia Center in Philadelphia at this concert on 9/19.....it was great seeing this band together after so many years of being apart. They still sound great :-)

[martinsanca]

es un gran solo el que hace daryl, ademas hay que tener en cuenta que el tipo quiere meter su estilo y no puede copiar al de hackett. igual sigo manteniendo que este genesis perdio totalmente la magie del de hackett, gabriel, banks y rutherford. el solo de hackett es mucho mas profundo que este solo, tiene mas pasion

[MINGAMETALO]

nada que ver .....

sigo diciendo y corroboro lo que dice otro comentarista aqui en esta pagina genesis es: hacket , banks y gabriel ..............nada que ver.

[bibby5000]

worst guitar solo ever...

it's a written peice of music that's been shit on

[mariosilveyra]

They (Banks - Rutherford - Collins) never had the "magic" of Génesis. The magic of Génesis had it Anthony Phillips, Peter Gabriel and Steve Hackett and with them went . Daryl Stuermer is an excellent guitarist. But Steve Hackett is one only and original guitarist... That is the difference to my humble understand...

[Bravado2007]

...given the fact, that Tony is responsible for many Genesis tunes, alas the soundscapes and the whole mood in the Genesis sound, I oppose this oppinion...

...is it so difficult to understand, that people change, and so does their music?...

...I dig all the "phases" of the band...they matured as composers...

...have to admit though, that PC`s solo stuff has become incredibly dull and boring, at least since "Both sides", as opposed to PG...he just keeps getting better and better...

[mariosilveyra]

Tony Banks tiene todo mis respetos. He escuchado todos sus discos solistas, hasta su disco "clásico". Sus solos en Génesis son únicos... pero...

[genesisinsideme]

tony es el alma de genesis, y la tontera que hackett es poco menos que el "musico" de genesis, solo demuestra la ignorancia de lo que es genesis, una banda de compositores y banks, rutherford y collins son musicos DE ALTO NIVEL!..steve se colgo de genesis si no nadie habria sabido de su musica solo! si desconocer que es ub buen guitar!

[mariosilveyra]

JAJAJAJAJA. ¡Que bueno eres!

[mariosilveyra]

Personalmente siento que Phill Collins es un compositor recomercial y barato. Fundió Genesis al igual que Banks y Rutherford le sacaron la dignidad al nombre de la Banda con su último mamarracho. Ellos mismos reconocieron que usaron mal el nombre de Genesis.

[mariosilveyra]

Y se comprometieron a nunca más hacerlo. Un músico tiene diferentes facetas, como instrumentistas los tres son de primerísimo primer nivel. Como compositores son mediocres. HAckett programaba los teclados de Banks. Pero cuando quedaron solos fueron una bandita pop del montón. Considerar tontera a Hackett me hace pensar que sos sordo...

[Aresius42]

@genesisinsideme

no puedes decir que hackett se colgo de genesis... se acoplo formando la mejor banda de todas que fue genesis desde nursery cryme hasta que la dejo.

cuando recien escuche genesis pense que la magia del grupo se habia ido con gabriel, pero el a trick of the tail es un excelente disco, pero que busca lo comercial con una cancion del mismo nombre y ahi genesis se empezo a manchar... y coincide con la salida de hackett.

genesis tenia alma propia, no era de un integrante solo

[progrocker69]

"Both Sides..." was such a horrid album I could barely stand to finish listening to it once. My personal stopping point for Phil ends at "No Jacket Required". A very poppy album, but still very intelligent and fun (except for the Sussudio lyrics).

I do like all Genesis albums though, including "Calling All Stations". I think the Banks/Rutherford songwriting on that effort is very strong, and the replacement vocalist was great.

[klwewf]

......But, Seriously.......

[mariosilveyra]

Ellos (Banks - Rutherford - Collins) nunca tuvieron la "magia" de Génesis. La magia de Génesis la tenían Anthony Phillips, Peter Gabriel y Steve Hackett y con ellos se fue. Daryl Stuermer es un excelente guitarrista. Pero Steve Hackett es uno guitarrista único y original... esa es la diferencia a mi humilde entender...

[letsgowest]

I totally agree with you Mario. The magic of Genesis has gone before the album 'The lamb lies down'.

In my opinion, the others tried to survive for commercial reasons, but traks like "turn it on" or "I can't dance" are only commercial songs...

[mariosilveyra]

I think "Wind and Wuthering" & "A trick of a tail" with the presence of Steve Hackett still remains something. But the stigma of "only a pop band more" was coming soon. (I'm not speak english...)

[ntrlmass]

That opening with the strident synth is awful! What were they thinking? I've seen Genesis many times and been a fan since the mid-70s. Stuermer is a great guitarist, but he has an impossible task to follow the Hackett original, so much feeling in his playing. Stuermer sounds "sterile" and clinical to me when I've heard them live, whereas Hackett stirred the emotions. C'mon Tony - how can you kill this song with that intro?!! And guys, lose some of the light show, get back to basics a bit.

[Vendak339]

You do make a valid point. Personally I think the guitar solo is fine, but the synth intro is bad...

[mariosilveyra]

Se decía en las revistas de aquellos tiempos que quien le programaba los teclados a Banks era Hackett. Said in the magazines of those times that the one who him programaba the keyboards to Banks was Hackett. Sorry for my huglie english

[Abc78mj]

This fantastic song has to start with a classical piano sound and not with these fucking synthies.

[Weissman111]

I'll ask Tony what he prefers next time I bump into him.

[mouldsworthblade]

I would love to give Banks and Rutherford a truth drug and get them to say which Genesis music they REALLY prefer.

I wouldn't mind betting it would be the early stuff, especially for Banks. We all know what Collins thinks of his early work.

How anyone could be prouder of 'Follow You Follow Me' than, say, 'Cinema Show' is completely beyond me!

[nesko88]

I totally agree with you hoser4. I just got done watching Hackett's version (live in Budapest) and it has so much more emotion.

Still I am glad to see that Genesis was doing some of their older material on this tour.

[bassidol]

I enjoy Hackett's version more, but Steurmer is put in quite an awkward position in playing what may be one of the greatest guitar solos ever. If he played it note for note with all the sustain in it, people would call it sacrilege for copying someone else's masterpiece. HIs take, with ultrafast playing and lots of notes, was to respect that no one but Hackett should play the original.

[hoser4]

You know, Daryl's playing is quite excellent. The video clearly demonstrates he has excellent technique and an awesome sense of rhythm. But, he tries too hard. What made Hackett's solo so beautiful was not its intricacy, but its utter simplicity.

Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. - Leonardo da Vinci

[martinsanca]

couldn't agree more my friend

[robb9uk]

Btw the sound of this solo on a Fender Strat is fantastic - clean, full and the most awesome punch.

[twigglypiggly16]

Why blame Phil for the content of the setlist?

Maybe the simple reality is that Genesis has a near 40 year career. As great as he is, Peter Gabriel was in the band for fewer than 10 of them. A band only has a certain time on stage. Given those constraints, Genesis did a great job of highlighting their whole catalog on the 2007 tour (they could have sacrificed some Invisible Touch stuff for some Abacab stuff though).  They made a concerted effort to please as many of their fans as possible.

[godsofmagog]

Nothing against Daryl but he cant replace Hackett. Would be nice to have heard the entire firth of fifth instead of a small piece. Dont see yes dong bits of 10 minute songs, but I guess Phil is not too fond of Gabriel era music.

[zenking08]

No doubt, Hackett has more feel and wrote the solo, but give Stuermer som credit.

Hackett toured with Genesis for about 5 years.

Stuermer toured as guitar player for about 30 years. Darryl and Chester have played FOF a thousand times.

[praiapontadomel]

MESTRES DO MUNDO

[praiapontadomel]

GENESIS THE BEST MUSIC

[MelvinMcB]

I certainly disagree with all your critics on Daryl. He plays this piece excellent, it really fits in the live version.

This song gives me good memories, thanks for uploading.

[armsby]

Ok - I'm sure this guitarist is technically brilliant but he totally misses

the point on this solo. Yes - most guitarists can go blubidy blubidy

blubidy blub at the speed of light but no one wants to hear that here.

Hacket had the feeling to make this a pure magic masterpiece. There are far

better versions from tribute bands. I wonder why the lads keep him on...

[PointThree]

That solo is not the same without Hackett, but of course it is good.

[gatolocoverga152]

no no no fof is amazing without hackett

[crallagham]

GENESIS!!!!!!!

[genesisbluegirl]

Genesis ROCKS! Thanks for the video - I love reliving that night!

[crazytute2]

Awesome! I was there for this show!  Thanks for sharing this video!

[Zazoux]

(cont'd) When I have a purist moment, I go back to the old records or the older footage right here, but again, this is a new aspect, and quite virtuoso.

Kudos also to Ray who I think has posted the best footage -with awesome sound- of this piece.

[tonlitt]

(sigh) Yet again, daryl completely butchers and destroys prog rock's most beautiful guitar solo with awful out-of-context wanking up and down the fretboard, with no idea about the feel of this majestic piece of music . . he played it closer to the original in rome though. Good thing we have some great Genesis tribute bands around to show Genesis how it should be done. G2 and Regenesis being two of the best in the UK.

[Sean3339]

Dude, get a clue! Did you ever hear of improvisation? I was at this concert that night, and it was one of the most amazing solos to witness live. If you want to hear something note-for-note, put on the CD...

[Sean3339]

Also, I first saw Genesis with Peter Gabriel in 1973, at the Tower Theater in Philadelphia. I've been priveledged to see the "Lamb Lies Down...", "Duke", and "Invisible Touch" tours throughout the years. Each show was a massive improvement & quantum leap beyond the last. Appreciate whenever you see them, it may be the last time you get the chance... but then again, that's been said before...

[Zazoux]

I have to agree with Sean - I quite like it, I think it adds life to the piece. By comparison, some other renditions that can be found on this venue - even by the Hackster himself - seem almost dull and lifeless. I am reminded of the immortal scene in Amadeus, where he sits down in front of the Emperor to play Salieri's "Little March of Welcome" from memory ("From memory?? Show us...")

[tonlitt]

"Less . . .is More"

[wepaboy]

yea less of you running your mouth would be more....

[tonlitt]

Freedom of speech is still here. And so is yours, just about. So just allow everyone their comments, Without being contentious.

[kylehudson00]

Totally disagree. Daryl's interpretation would be somewhat out-of-place in the full version of "Firth Of Fifth", granted, but this shortened instrumental-only version has always been purely a vehicle for him to display his incredibly virtuosic guitar playing (or, as Mike would put it, for him to "go to town"). In that context, his interpretation of Hackett's solo is just fine.

[gatolocoverga152]

fuck off ...stuermer kick ass..and tribute bands are completely useless and they are realy butchers (musical box for example)

you dont apreciate it masterpiece like this

daryl rules...

[tonlitt]

In fact, THIS lineup is the WORST 'tribute band' of genesis, they really lack the feel of the old days,(1970 -77) and is embarrassing. A shadow of the former 'proper line-up' with Hackett - Gabriel. Daryl rules nothing. The ONLY worthwhile attempt at a Comeback or Anniversary Tour, was to get the 5 originals back, or NO TOUR. They did this for the Money, and was a dreadful Flop. Lifeless and emotionless.

[gatolocoverga152]

if they wanted money will come back here in southamerica or will went to australia. but youre a jerk and never understand that.

and by the way who cares that an ashole like you comemnt...i repeat again....fuck off!!!!

[tonlitt]

I think YOU seem to 'care' about my comment, seeing as youre all getting upset. Just face it, Genesis became boring and insipid from 1978 onwards. And this was one tour too far into the realms of mediocrity and lifeless performance. Stuermer needs to hang up his tired old guitar with his cliched, overdone solos and 'fuck off' back to where he came from.

[tonlitt]

Phil and Tony should know better. But sadly, it goes on and on embarrassingly into their 50s-60s. Any local Genesis tribute band guitarist can play with more feeling that Stuermer. Peace.

[skinny12331]

Take it easy, its not that bad.

[robb9uk]

What a clueless dork. Do you listen to music through the toilet pan? Do you still wear bell bottom pants and cheesecloth? Anyone who knows guitar knows that Steurmer is a genius player. Of course it is Hackett's iconic piece but this is not the point. Though he is brilliant you slate the guy 'cos he is not Hackett. Btw the tour was a worldwide sell out. Plonker.

[cannario7799]

nice shot buddy! I've been at Boston concert.

[Zazoux]

me too (Boston) - the sound was terrible. can't wait for the DVD, although this solo seems to have been played more true to the original in Rome

[1genesisfan]

This was the best!! Thanks for post it!! Cause I was there!!!!