Calvinism/Doctrines of Grace/Reformed Theology are from the pit of Hell..they are heresies that make God Almighty a sinner and not just a sinner but the Author of ALL sin.
Every child raped..every women beaten..every person murdered..every deceitful business deal...every cruelty man has done, was authored by God. It is a blasphemous false religion and many otherwise fine Bible teachers are promoting it today. MacArthur, Sproul, Piper, are some of them. Flee from Calvinism. Repent of Calvinism!
@ohmphthschwrhu Did you listen to the discussion? What they said, and I think it is true, is that evil is not a created thing but is like a wound to the way creation is meant to be. God created freedom but He never created evil.
@dimbulb23 The best example I know is love: it would be utterly imposdible for there to be love witbout freedom. Without free wills, existence would be completely without that dimension, depth or possibility.
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. ⎯ Isaiah 45:7
For when Thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness. ⎯ Isaiah 26:9
And yes, God does give humans a 'free will' and He wants us to 'choose Him' rather than the things of this world. He does not want robots. He wants a genuine relationship with us. Christianity is not a religion. Christianity is a relationship with God our Creator. ♥
Yes. Despite what these 2 are saying. This is satan suggesting he created something (evil) when infact he cant create anything, where is that in the bible?. if you believe that satan created evil you are worshipping him without knowing. be careful, he wants to be worshipped. Is.14:14. this is crafty deceiption to get you to believe the Most high is not sovereign.Where do you read in thebible that satan has a free will? that term doesnt exist whr has he ever disobeyed the most high.? THINK
So God created free will and free will led to Evil/sin IN EVERY PERSON who exercised it? And you call that a perfect creator and the way it OUGHT to be?
Wow!
How about this, we don't know god exists or how anything got here and since we don't KNOW, let's say we don't know and try to learn about smaller things and build on that knowledge until someday MAYBE we'll know a lot with the full knowledge that we'll never know everything but at least we won't just be making stuff up. Too nutty?
@dimbulb23 yeah we had to start off crazy to get to the sanity.if a true dark age ever happened, dont doubt that we'd manifest the same craziness before arriving at morality and ethics,again..glad that crap about dark ages never happened fully
If God initially created a perfect man who was perfectly good then how could that man ever make bad choices? The very fact that this perfect creature exercised his free will in an imperfect manner shows he wasn't perfect to begin with.
These lame half-thought-out explanations only work on those you simply really, really want to believe rather than think.
@dimbulb23 You seem to lack the understanding of free will. Exercise free will in an imperfect manner? The very nature of free will (libertarian) means that the person has the ability (in this case adam and eve and sin) to either SIN or NOT TO SIN. God created everything good and perfect. Perfect meaning the way things OUGHT to be. The fact that a "bad" or "imperfect" choice demonstrates that they have free will. By the very nature of free will they would have to have the choice open.
God created the knowledge of evil. He called it good. Adam ate virtue of evil and good equally. The fruit was evil and good. Evil Knowledge an attribute is not innate virtue of God but a use all knowledge becomes.God made evil knowledge for good Evil and good brought law and morals. But God brought about His Person excellent in Virtue excelling morality through redemption.God is not moral but excelling Spirit Virtue not the opposite of evil.Adam never ate more evil than good,good is just as bad.
God knows everything and has all power. God created hell and torture therefore in a knowing and desiring state of mind . Most people will there because he willed the rules to be that way. Why not just create a person without a lack of good? Why require a thing to shed life's blood before you forgive? Why not just forgive. I am fully capible of forgiving transgressions against ME without having to make the person kill a calf. I do that all the time. The whole thing makes no logical sense.
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. ⎯ Isaiah 45:7
For when Thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness. ⎯ Isaiah 26:9
And yes, God does give humans 'free will' and He wants us to 'choose Him' rather than the things of this world. He does not want robots. He wants a genuine relationship with us. Christianity is not a religion. Christianity is a relationship with God our Creator. ♥
God created the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.From knowledge God knew evil as an attribute but knowledge is not always an innate Virtue.God created evil and called it good.This man's explanation is wrong.Because God's motive for evil by sin was proving morality powerless to reach God .Only redemption by Christ proved evil from knowledge good.The moral law is not equal to God's Virtue,hence Jesus Christ.
@TheGloriaaDeus God created the tree of knowledge of good and evil (and called it good ).He did it as a knowledge not as a innate virtue.Therefore evil was good to prove man powerless and brought redemption which was good. Only God by knowledge can create evil and make it good by Christ.But God created evil by knowledge,For example, I know and think evil but it is not whom I am when thinking it through. It could be but my point is knowledge of evil by itself does not make God evil.
To those believers who understand why God created evil(Isa 45:7), there IS no "dilemna." God did not make us "perfectly good," for one thing. Mankind was marred in the Potter's hand(Jer 18:4-6). Adam & Eve were not "perfect." They had no knowledge of evil NOR good prior to eating of the tree. It's necessary for ALL mankind to experience evil in order to understand good. Traditions of men surely make the word of God of no effect(Mark 7:13)
For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now.
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Calvinism/Doctrines of Grace/Reformed Theology are from the pit of Hell..they are heresies that make God Almighty a sinner and not just a sinner but the Author of ALL sin.
Every child raped..every women beaten..every person murdered..every deceitful business deal...every cruelty man has done, was authored by God. It is a blasphemous false religion and many otherwise fine Bible teachers are promoting it today. MacArthur, Sproul, Piper, are some of them. Flee from Calvinism. Repent of Calvinism!
willpower242 1 month ago
@ohmphthschwrhu Did you listen to the discussion? What they said, and I think it is true, is that evil is not a created thing but is like a wound to the way creation is meant to be. God created freedom but He never created evil.
Mcfirefly2 1 month ago
@dimbulb23 The best example I know is love: it would be utterly imposdible for there to be love witbout freedom. Without free wills, existence would be completely without that dimension, depth or possibility.
Mcfirefly2 1 month ago
This is a good analogy of the problem of evil. It exists as a bi-product of wrong choice.
CharlesPetersons 1 month ago
Excellent discussion and precise explanation of how evil and an Omnipotent God can concurrently exist.
egwpisteuw 2 months ago
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. ⎯ Isaiah 45:7
For when Thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness. ⎯ Isaiah 26:9
And yes, God does give humans a 'free will' and He wants us to 'choose Him' rather than the things of this world. He does not want robots. He wants a genuine relationship with us. Christianity is not a religion. Christianity is a relationship with God our Creator. ♥
TheEndTimesAreHere 7 months ago 2
@TheEndTimesAreHere Amen
CALIMADE916 3 months ago
this is stupidity..where does evil come from?how does evil sit at the opposit of good yet god didnt create it ,yet he created every thing.
ohmphthschwrhu 9 months ago
Yes he do to test you and he created good also
JohnDiesel24 1 year ago
Yes. Despite what these 2 are saying. This is satan suggesting he created something (evil) when infact he cant create anything, where is that in the bible?. if you believe that satan created evil you are worshipping him without knowing. be careful, he wants to be worshipped. Is.14:14. this is crafty deceiption to get you to believe the Most high is not sovereign.Where do you read in thebible that satan has a free will? that term doesnt exist whr has he ever disobeyed the most high.? THINK
neverscared11 1 year ago
If you have a free will or choice then who is the designer of that choices?
Before Lucifer was created did god already knew the knowledge of good & evil? Obviously yes because he is omniscient...
OttomanEMPIREOppress 1 year ago
So God created free will and free will led to Evil/sin IN EVERY PERSON who exercised it? And you call that a perfect creator and the way it OUGHT to be?
Wow!
How about this, we don't know god exists or how anything got here and since we don't KNOW, let's say we don't know and try to learn about smaller things and build on that knowledge until someday MAYBE we'll know a lot with the full knowledge that we'll never know everything but at least we won't just be making stuff up. Too nutty?
dimbulb23 1 year ago 2
@dimbulb23 yeah we had to start off crazy to get to the sanity.if a true dark age ever happened, dont doubt that we'd manifest the same craziness before arriving at morality and ethics,again..glad that crap about dark ages never happened fully
ohmphthschwrhu 9 months ago
If God initially created a perfect man who was perfectly good then how could that man ever make bad choices? The very fact that this perfect creature exercised his free will in an imperfect manner shows he wasn't perfect to begin with.
These lame half-thought-out explanations only work on those you simply really, really want to believe rather than think.
dimbulb23 1 year ago
@dimbulb23 You seem to lack the understanding of free will. Exercise free will in an imperfect manner? The very nature of free will (libertarian) means that the person has the ability (in this case adam and eve and sin) to either SIN or NOT TO SIN. God created everything good and perfect. Perfect meaning the way things OUGHT to be. The fact that a "bad" or "imperfect" choice demonstrates that they have free will. By the very nature of free will they would have to have the choice open.
Mustdang 1 year ago
God created the knowledge of evil. He called it good. Adam ate virtue of evil and good equally. The fruit was evil and good. Evil Knowledge an attribute is not innate virtue of God but a use all knowledge becomes.God made evil knowledge for good Evil and good brought law and morals. But God brought about His Person excellent in Virtue excelling morality through redemption.God is not moral but excelling Spirit Virtue not the opposite of evil.Adam never ate more evil than good,good is just as bad.
polopowers1 1 year ago
@paleosmoker hooray? in other words hooray to hitler, binladen, murderers rapist? If I fucked your wife would you say hooray? you should be pissed!
Born2784 1 year ago
God knows everything and has all power. God created hell and torture therefore in a knowing and desiring state of mind . Most people will there because he willed the rules to be that way. Why not just create a person without a lack of good? Why require a thing to shed life's blood before you forgive? Why not just forgive. I am fully capible of forgiving transgressions against ME without having to make the person kill a calf. I do that all the time. The whole thing makes no logical sense.
danielkyleh 1 year ago
This is Cathy at JAS Show, I really appreciate your comments!
johnankerberg 1 year ago
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. ⎯ Isaiah 45:7
For when Thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness. ⎯ Isaiah 26:9
And yes, God does give humans 'free will' and He wants us to 'choose Him' rather than the things of this world. He does not want robots. He wants a genuine relationship with us. Christianity is not a religion. Christianity is a relationship with God our Creator. ♥
TheEndTimesAreNear 1 year ago
God created the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.From knowledge God knew evil as an attribute but knowledge is not always an innate Virtue.God created evil and called it good.This man's explanation is wrong.Because God's motive for evil by sin was proving morality powerless to reach God .Only redemption by Christ proved evil from knowledge good.The moral law is not equal to God's Virtue,hence Jesus Christ.
polopowers1 2 years ago
This is a good explanation.
I think one idea was left out.
God created everything
God creat Satan knowing he would be the source of evil.
God made man knowing to claim some for himself he would have to pay the price of allowing evil.
God didn't have to do any of this.
m 9:22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
TheGloriaaDeus 2 years ago
@TheGloriaaDeus God created the tree of knowledge of good and evil (and called it good ).He did it as a knowledge not as a innate virtue.Therefore evil was good to prove man powerless and brought redemption which was good. Only God by knowledge can create evil and make it good by Christ.But God created evil by knowledge,For example, I know and think evil but it is not whom I am when thinking it through. It could be but my point is knowledge of evil by itself does not make God evil.
polopowers1 2 years ago
To those believers who understand why God created evil(Isa 45:7), there IS no "dilemna." God did not make us "perfectly good," for one thing. Mankind was marred in the Potter's hand(Jer 18:4-6). Adam & Eve were not "perfect." They had no knowledge of evil NOR good prior to eating of the tree. It's necessary for ALL mankind to experience evil in order to understand good. Traditions of men surely make the word of God of no effect(Mark 7:13)
XposeTheLie 2 years ago
Nice sounding philosophy - It doesn't really stack up against scripture.
TheSaviouroftheworld 2 years ago
Romans 8:20-22 ~
For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now.
TheSaviouroftheworld 2 years ago