Marie Antoinette: The Last Queen of France (part3/12)

[khenneth02222]

the king is gay...he didnt have any psychological problem...

[MarinaMaxwellYuy]

@khenneth02222 No. Louis XVI was not gay at all. In fact, he quite liked Marie-Antoinette, but during his young years, he was told that Austria was the devil and the way of life of his grandfather, Louis XV, disgusted him, as it disgusted in father, Louis-Ferdinand. Moreover, Louis was known to be shy. That did not help. If he was gay, he would have had " mignons". But he did not. Neither he had mistresses.

[happybkwrm]

Her mother had good advice, but she could have been kinder giving it.

[Strefanasha]

the treatment the french meted out to her, her husband and her son show what contemptible cowards revolutionary regicides are

[truvianni]

Could he have been a homosexual or is that just out of the real of possibilities?

[janeyrevanescence12]

@truvianni I think he was more asexual or just really shy. Because by the time the Revolution happened, he was deeply devoted to Antoinette and loved her very much. He was actually ridiculed at court for being faithful to her (as it was common for kings to take on mistresses and only use their wives as babymaking machines).

[truvianni]

@janeyrevanescence12 thank you, I actually knew that he was in love with her though I did not know this was in a faithful way as well.

[janeyrevanescence12]

@truvianni you're welcome

[willbirful]

good work here

[akissy]

Wow, Marie Therese... don't be so sweet to your daughter you might spoil her!! Her beauty not being so great? That sounds foolish and catty. Pressing upon her that she has no culture nor talents? Well, who's fault is that, Your Highness? The smart girl who you abandoned, or you yourself for abandoning her...? I understand she wanted the best out of her daughter so the alligiance could be cemented... but her way of doing so wasn't the best. continue...

[akissy]

@akissy ...continue. We are all human after all, but I suspect she was the one who broke her daughter's spirit to pieces more than Louis inability to accept her, or all the gossip around her. Antoine wasn't a very strong spirited child to begin with, and Therese's accusations and lack of tact were of no help...

[guilhermesazonov]

I agree whe is NOT the last Queen. The Bourbon's were BACK to power years later!! lol

people's ideology make them blind.

[Freez57fr]

She's not the last queen of France.

[schizoidboy]

The problem with making assumptions regarding a persons character from history is that not everyone is going to agree with the assessment. A person could be this or that but there does need to be some agreement and acceptable proof that someone is something before we simply write someone off as something.

[adriyellowful]

LOLOLOLOLOL

"i find my wife charming.........but i need time to overcome my timidity



[shellyedson]

Was there any indication that Louis was gay and that may perhaps have been the reason he avoided sexual relations with her?

[MarinaMaxwellYuy]

@shellyedson No. In fact, Louis suffered from a phimosis. And he was taught by his teacher that women were devils. Annd Louis was quite devoted so when he thinks of sex, he thinks of his grandfather's affair with Madame du Barry. And to conclude, he was shy.

[rlopez1255]

Her mother was the mother from hell. Yikes!

[emaoneluv]

ummm why are the letters being read in a subtle french accent?! THEY'RE AUSTRIAN BORN!! WTH!! lol disappointed....

[twilightfan1231000]

@emaoneluv I know, it's so annoying!

[SanFranGirl1982]

Sounds like the king had Asperger's Syndrome.

[PrincessKLS]

He probably had more of a psychological issue with sex than a physical one.

[DemonFoxAkira]

Maria Theresa: "You owe it neither to your beauty which, in fact, is not so great, nor to your talents or culture. You know very well you have niether." You know that inner bitch/bastard who loves nothing more than to say or do something rude and below the belt? The same one that you try to restrain when someone or something really pisses you off? Mine is saying, "Were you looking in the mirror while you were writing this letter?"

[lilc61299]

History is amazing!!! Thanks for the post !!!

[KDVx3]

I feel kinda bad for her. She's married against her will to a guy who won't touch her and sent to live as a foreigner in a country on the brink of internal war where she doesn't know anyone or their customs... And she's expected to be fruitful and an outward sign of France's prosperity and happiness? OMG, that's a burden to place on a barely there teenager.

At least now we get to choose our own crappy marriages, where we want to live during them, and when we want to get out of them.

[MyQuesnel]

Who are you people? She was a young girl. She had no choice in that day and age. Portrait paintings was photography back then. This is history, not a movie.

[lelestraws]

Woah, her mom was a bitch

[Dace18]

I love it when they say Marie Antoinette is grace itself when she moves and she does not dance in time but if so it is certainly the time is at fault....

[fuschiadea]

4:40 Seriously Louis? Having an orgasm. That how hard life gets?

[Ms1buzzkill]

MAYBE THE INBREEDING IS THE CAUSE OF LACK OF SEX DRIVE...

[MMicheleMemoirs]

I love how they talk in this documentary and not once did they mention Madame Du Barry, which I thought was strange because Du Barry was the one who Marie Antoinette hated.

[uranne]

i can't live that way. i love my solitude :)

[Bronnie79]

I really dont care what ANYBODY says you can comment and get mad if you want but I think this dude WAS gay.

[WarRogers]

What a difficult life. Imagine having no privacy and a team of servants applying your makeup every morning w/o having so much as a crust of bread to eat. Ooops, scratch that last part. It was the people who were dying of starvation not her. Talk about a miserable life!

[PandaPawSmile]

As Masencullen said a lot of men suffer with zero sex drive. There can also be medical conditions involved. Men can have erections that hurt, so sex is a painful and frightful thing to them. Also, a man may be terribly shy of women, which is true in a lot of modern cases. It can cause nervous disposition too. Nowadays they have things that can help a man deal with this.

[GenaChristina]

did maria theresa say her daughter is ugly? she said 'your beauty is not so great' ?

[1Historygenius]

@GenaChristina Beauty is not so great for the French court see she likes her daughter and she is beautiful her in the Frnech court the offcourse make their women beautiful but Marie likes to be very beautiful but looks are not everything.

[Bloombaby99]

Maria Theresa of the Austrian Kingdom, was the mother of hell, so to speak. She used her children as pawns in high stakes diplomacy as the video says earlier. She gives off a barrage of criticisms and to-do lists to her youngest daughter. And on an off note, she was probably the most Anti-Semitic ruler of her time, probably even worse than Hitler. While she is nosy, demanding, and self-centered, she was right about Marie Antoinette meeting and unfortunate end.

[Basra2020]

why do the movie insist Marie was pretty? Clearly from her paintings, she is NOT pretty at all. She has a long masculine face, intelligent eyes and distinguished alongated nose that is not FIT for the image of femininity and beauty that hollywood shoves up our throat. Her long forehead alone is disturbing to say the least. This is a travesty. I am extremely vexed.

[TheAmericanEvita]

@Basra2020 You think this way because your life and everything you know is from today's perspective. You think Angelina Jolie is "beautiful" etc. If you were living in the 18th century, you'd be praising Marie's beauty. People's ideas of beauty was different back then. Many saw her as gorgeous, so therefore she was. She was the icon of women's fashion of the 18th century!

[Basra2020]

@TheAmericanEvita You can be a fashion icon without being pretty or gorgeous. For example -Lady gaga is considered a fashion icon in today world--but she is not physically gorgeous or pretty. I agree, in those day Marie was judged in those days standard. But i do think beauty is timeless. Women needed to look like women and men like men, that is a basic beauty point of reference. Dutches of devonshire in those days looked pretty and hot. google her

[PandaPawSmile]

@Basra2020 You're right and wrong. Beauty is not timeless. In Tudor times, pale blondes were considered beautiful as well as having long, pointed noses. These days, no one would see that as beautiful. I know it's hard to imagine, but if you saw what you considered to be a beautiful person, a 'timeless beauty' as you put it, in Tudor times, they would have probably seen her as ugly. For example, tanned, olive-skinned people in Tudor times were seen as ugly. It's all to do with time.

[Dru0417]

@Basra2020 the beauty of the times changes in every country, Africa, America, France, Austria etc

[goodgirlkay]

@Basra2020 Has it ever occurred to you that standards of beauty were quite different in 18th century Europe...I assure you that if any of these over-tanned ultra skinny celebrities were plopped down in 18th century France, everyone would suppose that they are the daughters of serfs and farm workers...only people who couldn't eat didn't, and only people who toiled in the summer sun had such tans. Pale and plumb was the standard of admired beauty of that age and indicated wealth and luxury.

[MRKENNEDY1693]

Her Mother did not play I like her lol

[AllieCat356]

AT 2;50 They play out letniters to and from her Mother. are those actual letters? and if so, where did anyone find them? It would be astonoshing to read.

[shelli10may]

@AllieCat356 assuming that these videoes are historical and recounts of the actual events in France. I'm pretty sure that they were quoting from the letters from mother to daughter and vise versa, its pretty interesting eh?

[RainyJane]

I had heard that the prince had a small deformity that gave him an extra fold of skin. His physicians assured him that the skin could be removed, but he pushed off the surgery for a very long time. Once he had the surgery performed, he then took a sexual interest in his wife.

[lovedandlucy]

@RainyJane It wasn't that he had an extra fold of skin, but that he had an unusually tight foreskin which could have been easily fixed with a circumcision.

[kitkatsunshine95]

Marie antoinette is so beautiful! what's wrong with the husband?

[000000poizen000000]

One thing's for sure; Marie Antoinette did not inherit her charms and grace from her mother.

I mean those letters - ouch! Poor Marie! Lol

[bubblinbrownsugar616]

Maria Theresa: "You owe it neither to your beauty which, in fact is not so great nor to your talents or culture. You know very well you have neither."

Damn Mom. I love you too.

LOLOL!! Goodness!

[Daniella26able]

@bubblinbrownsugar616 Hahahahahaha, I couldnt agree with you more!!!!!!!

She had a lovely mother, huh?

[diddims]

@bubblinbrownsugar616 I know! Maria Teresa was probably still bitter that her husband was a drunken wencher who humiliated her. She even had her own vice squad governing the private lives of her people... but her people never took them seriously and ridiculed the uptight empress with the wayward husband. Mommie Dearest was hardly any better with the marriages that she chose for her other children; several of them were lucky to die before their dreaded weddings. And she expected grandchildren?!

[1972jewish]

i dont think life as a queen in those times would be very comfortable, being constantly an object to be observed. They were too young to reign, especially she, didnt have completed her education

[1972jewish]

i dont think life as a queen in those times would be very comfortable, being constantly an object to be observed

[thedarkangel456789]

her mom was a bitch lol

[BrOkEnCyDebitchh]

Maybe Louis had stage fright bcs everyone would be watching him do it

[LaSerpentaCanta]

lol, Maria Teresa's letters to Antoinette are painfully funny. They are carefully constructed daggers, and they must've hurt her daughter greatly. Maria Teresa is a really interesting figure to me, it seems she was in constant conflict, as the head of an Empire and head of her family. It must've been harder for her because she was a woman, once a mother always a mother no matter what.

[Ikoigokoroanime]

@massencullen you are right, however many historians believe that Louis Seize was homosexual.

[Canuckchick52]

It's kind of funny how they gave her a French accent when really she was Austrain.

[emaoneluv]

@Canuckchick52 hahahah omgosh i picked that up to!! they were austrian yet their letters were being read in a french accent WHAT THE HECK!! lol!!

[DavBlc7]

She was not the last Queen of France - After Napelon was overthrown - Louis XIV's elder brother became king and the monarchy last until about the 1875 when Prussian forces beat the French.

Last Queen would be the queen of Louis-Phillippe who was really the very last king of France - followed with a brief republic period then throne taken by Napoleon III (a emperor, not a king).

[phatnatyouknow]

every teenage girl wants to be a princess,but after seeing this ..um NO THANKS!!

[MDkid1]

How sad that they would get a 14, and 15 year old, marry them and expect them to "perform" as adults. Its kinda disgusting...all in the name of politics!

[gotch09]

@MDkid1 We have to remember that Marie Antionette lived like 2-300 years ago. What we veiw as sick and twisted seemer like normal to them. Even in America in the deep South it wasn't unheard of to see a 13-14 year old girl get married, and that was in the 60s, for crying out loud. I'm not saying it was right, it just was more socially acceptable.

[blackxbamboo]

@MDkid1 Also, life expectancy was much shorter. the age when someone was considered adult was much earlier than today. even now studies have shown people developed mentally and physically much sooner that children today.

[MaisonLafitte]

@blahancas well, in Europe nobody make movies like "Marie Antoinette"... Also people from USA make such stupid documents like this. You are interested only in preety dresses and feministic teory. Visit Europe and you see how different we are from that what you learn.

[bunnyinsane]

why do they give Marie french accent. when she first came to france, she could barely speech french.

[HelloArantxa]

@bunnyinsane

Actually, when she arrived at the court she knew how to speak french perfectly. In fact; She mastered french better than german, due to the fact that most of the Austrain court spoke french.

[bunnyinsane]

@HelloArantxa Yes but she spoke it with a german accent, which she was made of fun for. I retract my previous statement that she could 'barely' speak french as I guess it would not make sense since the rest of elite europe were pretty much speaking french as well. However, I still think it weird that they give her a french accent.

[folkguitarist1]

why were the paintings of marie antoinette so weird looking....why didntthey just paint her more realistic

[MaisonLafitte]

It is really funny and sometimes pathetic when people from USA try say something about history of Europe, specially about French history. You dont know anything about Europe and people who live here. I cant stand turist from USA in our chateau.

[Marmalade000000]

LOL Louis VI was like a guy I had a crush on - he turned out to be a 35 yr old virgin!

[britneyluver09]

Her mother was a bit of a wet blanket.

[TheGiraffeShit]

Maria Theresa was a bitch (':

[elinheartstristin]

the french dresses were so much more beautiful than the british ones

[nevermoregirl7]

It sucks to be watched 24/7! The councilor wasn't even trustworthy!

[PeaceLoveSmile4]

It soo strange because they were complete opposites and usually opposites attract, she could have taught him the joy of life and he could have taught her a life full of learning. But their personalities totally didn't help though.

I feel awful for Louis, sooo much sexual pressure! You just can't force someone to do something they just can't imagine doing. Thanks sooo much for the upload!

[lavinder11]

I mean, asexual or not, he had an Austrian girl who is extremely attractive and charming thrusted upon him. Some people need romantic feelings, some people don't want sex, and perhaps he was just disgusted by the situation to get it up.

Even though Coppola's film wasn't that historically accurate, I think Jason Schwartzman conveyed shyness well. If I had to choose between a playboy and a shy man who needs time, I would pick the latter. At least he loved her.

[DiLancreRoyalty]

"...She rarely opened a book..." LOL Well, cant blame her. There was no youtube videos like this to learn about history XD

[mollyvital]

was Marie Antoinette and louis the same age?????

we just got back from the Versailles palace!!

and it was beautiful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anutsko]

they weren't.

[ghostiesinky]

Marie Antoinette & King Louis XVI were about a year apart in age, approximately. I agree with the palace in Versailles -- it was beautiful AND amazing huge.

[tokifan18]

poor Louis and his defective bussiness... lol I love how people loved to blame her for everything, ugh!

[ghostiesinky]

I agree -- Louis was the one who was having issues with getting his business on with his wife.

[masencullen]

You don't have to be gay if you're not having sex. There are some people who are truly disgusted and terrified of the very idea of sex, and no, you don't need a history of sexual abuse for that.

These people are known as asexuals. Basically they are capable of feeling romantic feelings, but they have zero sex drive. No sex drive whatsoever. It just doesn't appeal to them.

I know all this because I happen to be that way.

[TheMrGobble]

yeh alrite then. You were blatantly abused.

[masencullen]

Its only closed-minded, perverted and uneducated people like you who arrive at that conclusion.

How dare you even make such a statement? You don't even KNOW me. I haven't been so much as inappropriately laid a finger on my entire life, and here you are, telling me what's happened to me. Go rape people or whatever it is that you and your kind do.

[TheMrGobble]

Daddies gonna get ya.

[Lyubov91]

@masencullen Are you talking about the actress at the very start? B/c she was supposed to be in her late 30's and to look older than that, too. This is b/c the trial took place many years after MA came to France. :)

[Lyubov91]

@Lyubov91 Sorry, this comment is supposed to be for MaxDexus. :)

[StBoffers]

@masencullen

Very true. I am Asexual, also. It's nice to find someone else who understands how it feels. It's very frustrating when people tell you you haven't found the right person yet. That's like telling a gay man he hasn't found the right girl yet, would you agree?

[masencullen]

@StBoffers  I completely agree!

[loveablemeggy]

@masencullen you learn something everyday :) i think thats cool good for you

[masencullen]

@loveablemeggy (:

[libbertines]

@masencullen you're gay mate..

[masencullen]

@libbertines Thank you so much for informing me of such an important fact about myself! A fact that I myself never knew, and a fact that a COMPLETE stranger like you some how seems to know! You must be God!

Piss off, idiot. If I were gay, I'd say it loud and proud. I have nothing against being gay whatsoever. I'm as gay as your mom is.

[123seblav]

@masencullen Gaie as your refering to gay, gaie means happy in french.

[masencullen]

@123seblav Funnily enough, gay also means happy in English, but people distorted it over the years to make it mean "homosexual". I mean, back in the olden days (15th, 16th, 17th, 18th & 19th centuries), the word gay was solely used as a word to denote happiness. I truly wonder how it changed from that to its current meaning. Maybe because a lot of gay people seem to be so happy and cheerful all the time?

[rosemsmunoz]

@masencullen That's very true, John Ruskin went through the same thing his marriage had to be annulled. Apparently everything was great until he saw his beautiful bride naked and he freaked out he didn't know women had pubic hair!

[masencullen]

@rosemsmunoz Hah! Well there you go!

[TwistedSister09]

@masencullen Richard Simmons says he's an asexual.

[opheliaroxs17]

@masencullen random...

[HanDynasty26349]

@masencullen i feel the same way for i dont like sex but my friends call me gay becuz i refuse to have sex with a girl........

[masencullen]

@HanDynasty26349 Ignore them. You're way better than they are. You're not interested in decadent, carnal desires like the rest of humanity. Believe me, I get called gay A LOT, even by people on this very comments page. Just ignore them all, and lift your head up high and be proud of who you are. We're a rare lot ;) Maybe one day, when I truly and deeply fall in love with someone (I'm 19 and I'm yet to have done that), maybe then I'll be ready and willing to share myself with him.

[sweetmay73]

lol they way they describe her husband reminds me of myself xD

[rhubarbidoo]

i don't believe Louis was extremely shy in the bedroom or had some sort of physical problem, i believe he was simply gay.

Four years and no sexual relationship?..

[karikawaiichan]

also rumors MA was attracted to women.

[MrCharlesDouglas]

knob and/or ball bag problems can cause severe lack of confidence in a man.

[TKDMomof6]

Of many of the things I have read about Louis XVI, it sounds to me more like he had a form of autism.

[MaxDexus]

The ONLY thing I did not like about this docu is the actress they chose to portray Marie Antoinette at the beginning when she was supposed to be only 14 and 15. Her hands are veiny, her skin is not fresh or youthfull AT ALL. M.A. was FAMOUS for her flawless complexion and beautiful porcelain-like skin. The actress even has a moustache for crying out loud!

[Gvanillavodka]

@MaxDexus LOL!

[elinheartstristin]

@MaxDexus who cares? get over it.

[LMFAOASAP]

@MaxDexus that's because at the beginning she was in her late thirties and they said she looked older than her years when she was put on trial for her life

[shyfly825]

@MaxDexus LOL yes I totally agree, I saw the mustache!

[mahler71]

@MaxDexus Well she may have had wonderful skin when she was young but by the time she was in her thirties she looked about sixty, according to reports.

[uranne]

@MaxDexus i feel as if the actress is older than me. and i'm 37 :">

[WarRogers]

The dress MA is wearing when this vid first starts is the most beautiful gown I've ever seen .. wow

[312827JCK]

Thank you very much for the upload. If you know about any documentary about Marie Theresa of Austria please let me know. thanks

[mtmuller]

LOL, sounds like a fussy argument between my daughter and myself.

[lg3704]

Thanks for posting :)

[halyie]

thanks for puting this up