naa the rapture is real god SAID HE WILL COME FOR HIS PEOPLE. First, "as a thief in the night" . . . for those who waited in faith 2nd Second, "every eye shall see" . . . with those who waited in faith
Mecca in Saudi Arabia is the woman that rides the scarlet beast. Mecca sits on seven mountains. Five kings have fallen (Rev 17) and one is in Saudi Arabia today. One of the kings (Rev 13 and Rev 17) received a fatal wound; he is the king who was and is not and will come. He will ascend the bottomless pit and go to destruction. He, is not, because of the fatal wound. Mecca's port Jidda is the wealthiest port in the middle east and western asia.go to meccasevenmountains dot blogspot dot com
This man was setup for armed robbery the government staged it an he served or is serving 9 yes unbelievable. This is the United states for you a bunch of free mason illuminati puppets.
Matthew 3:12 is refering to the sanctifying of the soul by the Holy Spirit (the "fire") it's not in the context of the rapture in any way.The previous verse Matthew 3:11 directly refers to the Holy Spirit, so how you can suddenly interpret the rapture into this is scripture twisting.It's so easy for anyone to pull verses out of context and misinterpret them, which is why we have so many different denominations.
Just saying, research it for yourself if you don't believe me.
I STRONGLY RECOMMEND EVERYONE TO SEE THOSE SITES IT WILL CLEAR YOUR UNDERSTANDING WHEN THE RAPTURE TAKE PLACE AND RESURRECTION OF THE SAINTS AND OTHER FINAL EVENTS OF THE BIBLE PROPHECY
2. Apostle Paul said that the Day of the Lord will not come until the man of lawlessness is revealed. So, how in the world did you came to the conclusion that Lord will come before the man of lawlessness revealed?
@SerJahPhoto What does this scripture mean? "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth" (Rev 3:10).
Respect. Not many people can go against popular almost Sci-Fi pre-treb-rap theory.
I have couple of questions to a hollywood-minded pre-treb-rapture christians.
1. When Jesus comes for his church, every eye should see Him. So, How come those who left behind accept the antichrist if they saw Jesus coming and the church lifted up? There will be no ground for the antichrist to come to the power.
So true! Even NOW as we take in the breathe of GOD with ease (without fear of persecution; at least for present moment) our brethren throughout the world are literally dying in communist & islamic countries for the sake of The Gospel of Christ. They like others who have gone on before them IN The Body of Christ they will be rewarded for their unwavering faithfulness. The Pre-Trib Rapture IS a damnable heresy, however GOD WILL preserve His People unto the end.
@Popinion7 look, the roman church is corrupted, i agree. But, u have to understand that this church is only 1 part of all the false religions in the world. also, read over Rev. 18. It describes Babylon as a city which sold its merchandise to the merchants who wailed an weeped for her. it could only mean a sinful nation like the U.S.
Roman church is described in Rev. 11 1-2
and which dream are u referring to in Daniel? Nebucanezar had 2 dreams.
@Popinion7 Rev 18 is referring to the capitalist nations (i.e., U.S.A., U.K. etc.). kings have commited fornication with her (babylon). Merchants have traded with her. She is burned with fire. It makes more sense to equate mystery babylon with those nations than with the roman catholic church.
This man doesn't make the difference between the Church and the Tribulation saints, he does not take into consideration that the church disappears after Revelation chapter 3 to only reappear in Revelation chapter 19, no mention of the church between these 2 chapters...Study to show thyself approved unto God a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15)
Our Salvation IS secure in Christ, IF we have been DRAWN to Him by The Father. The Flesh profits NOTHING! Generally speaking, when one truly thinks about it, the pre trib rapture appeals ONLY to the flesh of man & self preservation. I've never truly believed in pre trib because it goes AGAINST the True teachings of the Holy Bible & the history of The Church. Since the conception of The Church until this present day, The Church of GOD has been persecuted for The Faith we have received of GOD.
The Pre-Trib RAPTURE is one of the greatest DECEPTION facing The Church in these last days. Stan is absolutely correct regarding how The Church will be mocked & ridiculed by disbelievers (from 1:40 - 2:01) because of "so-called professing" believers who held onto a belief system that IS unbiblical. WHEN tribulation comes these "fairweather Christians" WILL be quick to abandon the cross of Christ once they realize that the TRUE Church of GOD - WILL be PERSECUTED; even to the point of death.
There have been more Christians die in the last century than in all of history. The Roman Catholic Church has probably murdered 50 MILLION believers. Arm yourself to be ready to endure. Jesus Says in Matt. 24; 28 and Mark 13;21 that Immediately AFTER the Tribulation of those days, THEN shall He send His Angles to gather together HIs elect. (The Rapture) It is at the END of the Testing time. WAKE UP,,buy oil..get prepared for the time of darkness or get turned away in your confusion later!
2:29 If you've been going to a church for years, and never heard your preacher/pastor make this statement, you need to evaluate what you're actually getting out of the sermons. I attended a church for over a decade that thought you were possessed if you didn't agree to the pastors opinions that the church called fact.
i personally cant hold much faith in a book thats been twisted, interpreted, re-interpreted, sections added & taken from, especially a version based on what a supposed king had released.
@chuckdogg343 So much that troublesome verse... Matthew 24:25 ? You know.... when Christ says, "See, I have told you beforehand." This is the glory of prophecy, friend.
@chuckdogg343 How so? Pray tell... what do you suppose Christ meant? --->... when he told the disciples (aka The First Christians) , "see I have told you before it happens" ... as He proceeds to give them prophetic treasure regarding the Great Tribulation at the Olivet Discourse. Seems like Christ was saying something all Christ-followers would do well to be lumped together and hear. Seems like something for us to be concerned about.
@bennygypsy23 Jesus and Joshua aren't English names. ..... Nor is it appropiate to ever "translate a name into another name" ... or transliterate, either. In Aramaic, it's Yeshua. In Hebrew, it's Yahushua. (YHSWH) Rapture is in the Bible (it's the Harpazo of 1 Thess.4:16). It's post-Trib. Easter is the name of a Babylonian goddess. It's not about Christ. It's about Ishtar, Tammuz-Adonis and Nimrod. Sunday is the Hellenic heist of the Sabbath. Shalom.
As far as Y2K is Concerned all you had to do to avoid that embarassment was to ask me I am a SYSTEMS ANALYST every one of us new it was no big deal it was only mainframe issue and easily fixed. The falling away is not used as a "jerked" out verse as you so callously refer to the RAPTURE everybody knows that means people dont believe go to a luthern church and see how many homosexuals are in the pulpits methodist many baptist churches so many dont believe a social gathering for them WAKE UP!!!
what a moron sorry STan but thats what you are.The FALLING away has already started even according to your own words
you mentioned THE UK AND EUROPE they dont believe the believers in EUROPE was 90% christian 120 years ago. Oh that happened because the teaching of rapture no. Your second verse in Peters says ALL things continue since our fathers NUCLEAR BOMBS FALLING and theyll say ALL things continue as before you ARE NUTS Certifiable.
Great Point!!!!!! but You forgot Sam Kinison Sam had a whole 20 min comedy routine that mocked Jesus for not coming back hed look at his watch and tap on it mmm 2,000 years and counting hed use is microphone as a hammer mocking Jesus while he pretended to pound nails
I agree mike 6291. This guy is really reading into scripture here. What about Romans 11:25 and the fulness of the Gentiles while Israel is blinded in part. What he teaches does not in any way agree with the 70 weeks of Daniel.
@mike6291 Now your ignoring the fact that that Rapture is described at the end of the chapter... gasp ........ after the Great Tribulation ! Is Christ wrong about this ?
@KeyboardPacifist I wish you would stop trying to project your own straw man into what i said about the rapture, and "its at the end of the chapter" is hardly a persuasive rebutal. Anyone who wants to study the fact that the Rapture occurs before the Tribulation, can do so by going to the following page. bcrevolution(dot)ca/rapture_facts(dot)htm
@mike6291 Really? ... And.. um.. then by that very admittance, you can tell your fellow pre-trib fable tellers to stop pretending this statement means anything: "uuuh.. er.. i don't see The Church much after Revelation ch.4" Since you've cleared that line of thought up, Mike. And you want to talk "facts" as though we were all missing them. After 20 years of hearing your "facts" and nonsense, I'll think I'll think for myself and let the Holy Bible speak for itself
1 thessalonians 4 : 15-18 god has not appointed us to wrath- the bible says, in revelation god says to john = come up here, this guy twists scripture, i was very dissapointed, i thought i had found some good studys, but if he doesnt believe in the rapture, i dont trust him in any thing else, the bible does not contradict itself, god bless, just read and pray for truth
to say the rapture is not true is to say parts of the bible are not true, this can never be, i listened and you made no sense, there are many instances in the word where god delivered his people from danger, noah , israilites from egypt, types and shadows and then its plain as stated, we will meet him in the air, i will have to respectfully disagree , thank you for having mike hoggard on show. i say rapture is pretrib , thats all i have to say, its settled with me, we will see.
@rick00770 Sorry. the bible says otherwise. Lot went through years of torment. The book of Hebrews says so. Noah went through nearly 600 years of it. Christ said so. The Hebrews went through all 10 plagues of Eygpt. If you are a believer, you will be here throughout tribulation.. but you will escape WRATH of His Judgement. In the N.T. .. the tribulation = "thylpsis." and Test it. The terrors on the Earth = "thumos" In the N.T. the wrath we escape = "orge."
@rick00770 he does believe in the rapture just not before the tribulation...Gods wrath you speak of is the pestilence, hail from the sky, diseases, skin boils, un-believers will even try to kill them selves and the bible says God will perserve there life to pro-long suffering...thats the wrath that wont happen affect those of us that are still alive...and thats the truth
@rick00770 Godd wrath and christian tribulation are two different things smart guy. the tribulation is us getting persecuted for our faith in God. the wrath is the plagues and pestilance and hail comets and skin boils etc....that wont effect us. now do you get it?
@rick00770 ....... We are not appointed to "orge." Test me on this. I mean you no offense. But test it. Look up everytime the Bible uses "orge" and then look up everytime the Bible uses "thylipsis." You will find that we are here during "thylipsis" but spared God's "orge." ... If you finish that... then compare Romans ch.8... with the use of "thumos" in John's Book of Revelation. Please... follow through with this. You will be GREATLY rewarded.
@rick00770 Your English translation of the Holy Bible and your denomination are the ones who twist scripture. He believes the rapture.. but he doesn't believe the non-biblical pre-trib timing.
@rick00770 wrath and tribulation are two different things... read 1 thessalonians 4: 15-17... also read about the seals- trumpets- bowls ,,,carefully....Noah lived in trouble times but was saved from the wrath.... Tribulation = trouble times... Noah lived in troubled times but save from the wrath. I hope you understand what I am taking about.
@mike6291 I don't think you understand the actual Hebrew Wedding. ... or the Feasts.... or the parable of the 10 Virgins. The wedding you've been sold is not the one Christ spoke of, but it's the Talmudic-Greco wedding. Four of the Seven Holy Feasts are fullfilled. The remainders are metaphors of His Return, His Holy Judgement of the Dead and Our Dwelling With Him. The 10 Virgins slept & did not watch. When Christ says watch, He is telling us to Guard His Word
@KeyboardPacifist I'm sorry you "think" that way... I suggest you take this up with a Jewish scholar. I've been studying the issue for years, and you surely don't suggest the Church is not referred to repeatedly as the Bride, do you? The ten virgins are not waiting for "the word" they are waiting for the bridegroom. That is the context.
@mike6291 I'm sorry you think that Jewish scholars aren't going to defend the Bablylonian Talmud or the hyper-Hellenic transition made during the Roman period. You accuse me of a strawman debate & then pretend as though I have denied a core teaching that the Church = The bride.
Quite arrogant. No one is disputing the context or what that parable is analogous to. Hint: you can stop pretending and start making an attempt to "exchange" known principles to make your case.
Peace treaties will be between Israel & Middle Eastern Nations. Just hours ago A palestinian state with Jerusalem as 'palestines' capital was promised. The EU will be the "Ten Kings" IE. nations. It;s here ~ watch it unfold & Go read The Book.
Exactly ~ We are at the door. We've experience a 'Little' tribulation ~ not the great. As for the Kings many believe they will come from the old Roman Empire. Globally there are four sectors; Asian ~ European ~ African & the Americas. I guess we'll know soon enough. I know this ~ From Genesis too Revelation the Fig Tree is Israel. Gods Word says when the Fig Tree blossoms this generation will not pass away before the return of the Son Of Man ~ May !5, !948 All was fulfilled.
Did also you know that the UN has divided the globe into 10 regions. This is where the idea of the North American Union came from, so its right at the door.
I expect to see plans for a common currency soon as well. Once they collapse the current system, the people will accept a common replacement.
Yes ~ I knew. America is being broken to receive the world ruler that must be in place at the return of our Lord. He is already on the worlds screen. This has been orchestrated for generations by globalists. They have no idea ~ They are mere pawns in the hand of God bringing us into our destiny. We will soon see if it will be one currency or divided by sectors Eventually all will receive their "ID" or be banned from any form of commerce. Even so come quickly Lord Jesus !!!
The Bible doesn't say that the ties will be peace ties. It doesn't specify that Dan.9 "covenant" is with them. It doesn't say who the Kings are either. There are many good possibilities.
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naa the rapture is real god SAID HE WILL COME FOR HIS PEOPLE. First, "as a thief in the night" . . . for those who waited in faith 2nd Second, "every eye shall see" . . . with those who waited in faith
15heartz 1 week ago
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Your ''prophet'' stan, is a false teacher!!!
HowardTheServant 1 week ago
Rev 17,18 are about United State of europa , not America.
The whore of Babylon is Roman Church.
MrPjet77 2 months ago
Mecca in Saudi Arabia is the woman that rides the scarlet beast. Mecca sits on seven mountains. Five kings have fallen (Rev 17) and one is in Saudi Arabia today. One of the kings (Rev 13 and Rev 17) received a fatal wound; he is the king who was and is not and will come. He will ascend the bottomless pit and go to destruction. He, is not, because of the fatal wound. Mecca's port Jidda is the wealthiest port in the middle east and western asia.go to meccasevenmountains dot blogspot dot com
BlazyJon 2 months ago
This man was setup for armed robbery the government staged it an he served or is serving 9 yes unbelievable. This is the United states for you a bunch of free mason illuminati puppets.
0535281 4 months ago
Yes Jesus Burns The Tares... and the Angels Gather ELECT
BCRIBB4real 8 months ago
Matthew 3:12 is refering to the sanctifying of the soul by the Holy Spirit (the "fire") it's not in the context of the rapture in any way.The previous verse Matthew 3:11 directly refers to the Holy Spirit, so how you can suddenly interpret the rapture into this is scripture twisting.It's so easy for anyone to pull verses out of context and misinterpret them, which is why we have so many different denominations.
Just saying, research it for yourself if you don't believe me.
produde2008 10 months ago
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MrAndrVa 10 months ago
2. Apostle Paul said that the Day of the Lord will not come until the man of lawlessness is revealed. So, how in the world did you came to the conclusion that Lord will come before the man of lawlessness revealed?
SerJahPhoto 11 months ago
@SerJahPhoto The Beast = Papacy
YouMadButISwag 10 months ago
@SerJahPhoto The day of the Lord and the rapture are not the same thing.
jbooks888 5 months ago
@jbooks888 who told you that?
SerJahPhoto 5 months ago
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@SerJahPhoto What does this scripture mean? "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth" (Rev 3:10).
jbooks888 5 months ago
Respect. Not many people can go against popular almost Sci-Fi pre-treb-rap theory.
I have couple of questions to a hollywood-minded pre-treb-rapture christians.
1. When Jesus comes for his church, every eye should see Him. So, How come those who left behind accept the antichrist if they saw Jesus coming and the church lifted up? There will be no ground for the antichrist to come to the power.
SerJahPhoto 11 months ago
@Popinion7
So true! Even NOW as we take in the breathe of GOD with ease (without fear of persecution; at least for present moment) our brethren throughout the world are literally dying in communist & islamic countries for the sake of The Gospel of Christ. They like others who have gone on before them IN The Body of Christ they will be rewarded for their unwavering faithfulness. The Pre-Trib Rapture IS a damnable heresy, however GOD WILL preserve His People unto the end.
For His Glory!!!
forhisglory700 11 months ago
@Popinion7 yes, the second beast might be the pope. but that doesn't necessarily mean that babylon symbolises the roman catholic church.
STRGATE7 11 months ago
@Popinion7 look, the roman church is corrupted, i agree. But, u have to understand that this church is only 1 part of all the false religions in the world. also, read over Rev. 18. It describes Babylon as a city which sold its merchandise to the merchants who wailed an weeped for her. it could only mean a sinful nation like the U.S.
Roman church is described in Rev. 11 1-2
and which dream are u referring to in Daniel? Nebucanezar had 2 dreams.
STRGATE7 11 months ago
@Popinion7 Rev 18 is referring to the capitalist nations (i.e., U.S.A., U.K. etc.). kings have commited fornication with her (babylon). Merchants have traded with her. She is burned with fire. It makes more sense to equate mystery babylon with those nations than with the roman catholic church.
STRGATE7 11 months ago
This man doesn't make the difference between the Church and the Tribulation saints, he does not take into consideration that the church disappears after Revelation chapter 3 to only reappear in Revelation chapter 19, no mention of the church between these 2 chapters...Study to show thyself approved unto God a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15)
Serge1965 1 year ago
Our Salvation IS secure in Christ, IF we have been DRAWN to Him by The Father. The Flesh profits NOTHING! Generally speaking, when one truly thinks about it, the pre trib rapture appeals ONLY to the flesh of man & self preservation. I've never truly believed in pre trib because it goes AGAINST the True teachings of the Holy Bible & the history of The Church. Since the conception of The Church until this present day, The Church of GOD has been persecuted for The Faith we have received of GOD.
forhisglory700 1 year ago
@forhisglory700 Amen. Great Point.
Phnatec123 1 year ago
@Phnatec123
GOD bless you, as we continue to look to Him.
For His Glory!!
forhisglory700 11 months ago
The Pre-Trib RAPTURE is one of the greatest DECEPTION facing The Church in these last days. Stan is absolutely correct regarding how The Church will be mocked & ridiculed by disbelievers (from 1:40 - 2:01) because of "so-called professing" believers who held onto a belief system that IS unbiblical. WHEN tribulation comes these "fairweather Christians" WILL be quick to abandon the cross of Christ once they realize that the TRUE Church of GOD - WILL be PERSECUTED; even to the point of death.
forhisglory700 1 year ago
There have been more Christians die in the last century than in all of history. The Roman Catholic Church has probably murdered 50 MILLION believers. Arm yourself to be ready to endure. Jesus Says in Matt. 24; 28 and Mark 13;21 that Immediately AFTER the Tribulation of those days, THEN shall He send His Angles to gather together HIs elect. (The Rapture) It is at the END of the Testing time. WAKE UP,,buy oil..get prepared for the time of darkness or get turned away in your confusion later!
WillSee11 1 year ago
2:29 If you've been going to a church for years, and never heard your preacher/pastor make this statement, you need to evaluate what you're actually getting out of the sermons. I attended a church for over a decade that thought you were possessed if you didn't agree to the pastors opinions that the church called fact.
AndrewKH85 1 year ago
16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout
ncbookz 1 year ago
i personally cant hold much faith in a book thats been twisted, interpreted, re-interpreted, sections added & taken from, especially a version based on what a supposed king had released.
Kesava1975 1 year ago
so you were stung by erring in one direction, so, determined not to be stung again, you err in the other.
hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodr in direct reference to whom ? .. and which specific prophetic interpretation?
KeyboardPacifist 1 year ago
This guy goes about teaching all wrong. Prophecy is meant for God to worry about. He lumps all the Christians together not knowing everything.
chuckdogg343 1 year ago
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mr44doom 1 year ago
@chuckdogg343 your foolish if you really think prophecy was for God to worry about ..it for you to prepare
mr44doom 1 year ago
@chuckdogg343 So much that troublesome verse... Matthew 24:25 ? You know.... when Christ says, "See, I have told you beforehand." This is the glory of prophecy, friend.
KeyboardPacifist 1 year ago
@chuckdogg343 How so? Pray tell... what do you suppose Christ meant? --->... when he told the disciples (aka The First Christians) , "see I have told you before it happens" ... as He proceeds to give them prophetic treasure regarding the Great Tribulation at the Olivet Discourse. Seems like Christ was saying something all Christ-followers would do well to be lumped together and hear. Seems like something for us to be concerned about.
KeyboardPacifist 1 year ago
the word rapture dont exist in the bible, made up just like christmas, easter, sunday, the name jesus, its really joshua in english
bennygypsy23 1 year ago 2
@bennygypsy23 Jesus and Joshua aren't English names. ..... Nor is it appropiate to ever "translate a name into another name" ... or transliterate, either. In Aramaic, it's Yeshua. In Hebrew, it's Yahushua. (YHSWH) Rapture is in the Bible (it's the Harpazo of 1 Thess.4:16). It's post-Trib. Easter is the name of a Babylonian goddess. It's not about Christ. It's about Ishtar, Tammuz-Adonis and Nimrod. Sunday is the Hellenic heist of the Sabbath. Shalom.
KeyboardPacifist 1 year ago
@bennygypsy23 the word raptur comes from the word caught up. in greek or the catching away, or the great gathering of His people.
Smokewunn 1 year ago
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the rapture happens everyday, its death and resurection, u never know when u die
bennygypsy23 1 year ago
the rapture happens everyday, its death and resurection, u never know when u die
bennygypsy23 1 year ago
the rapture happens everyday, its death and resurection, u never know when u die
bennygypsy23 1 year ago
As far as Y2K is Concerned all you had to do to avoid that embarassment was to ask me I am a SYSTEMS ANALYST every one of us new it was no big deal it was only mainframe issue and easily fixed. The falling away is not used as a "jerked" out verse as you so callously refer to the RAPTURE everybody knows that means people dont believe go to a luthern church and see how many homosexuals are in the pulpits methodist many baptist churches so many dont believe a social gathering for them WAKE UP!!!
mrfellowship 2 years ago
what a moron sorry STan but thats what you are.The FALLING away has already started even according to your own words
you mentioned THE UK AND EUROPE they dont believe the believers in EUROPE was 90% christian 120 years ago. Oh that happened because the teaching of rapture no. Your second verse in Peters says ALL things continue since our fathers NUCLEAR BOMBS FALLING and theyll say ALL things continue as before you ARE NUTS Certifiable.
mrfellowship 2 years ago
2nd Peter 3:3 sounds a lot like Bill Maher, Adam Corolla, George Carlin... just about everyone in hollywood actually. there are already scoffers.
that1guy777 2 years ago
Great Point!!!!!! but You forgot Sam Kinison Sam had a whole 20 min comedy routine that mocked Jesus for not coming back hed look at his watch and tap on it mmm 2,000 years and counting hed use is microphone as a hammer mocking Jesus while he pretended to pound nails
mrfellowship 2 years ago
I agree mike 6291. This guy is really reading into scripture here. What about Romans 11:25 and the fulness of the Gentiles while Israel is blinded in part. What he teaches does not in any way agree with the 70 weeks of Daniel.
nathaw11 2 years ago
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pattersongrove 2 years ago
what on earth does y2k have to do with the decernment of scripture?
The rapture is easy to understand, IF you understand the Jewish feasts, and wedding cerimony... hense the parable of the 10 virgins.
look up "rapture facts" in google... this guy has no clue, and even bashes Christians. To which i present the following:
mike6291 2 years ago
Mat 24:48 But if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My Lord delays His coming,
Mat 24:49 and shall begin to strike his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunken,
Mat 24:50 the Lord of that servant shall come in a day when he does not look for Him, and in an hour which he does not know.
mike6291 2 years ago
@mike6291 Now your ignoring the fact that that Rapture is described at the end of the chapter... gasp ........ after the Great Tribulation ! Is Christ wrong about this ?
KeyboardPacifist 1 year ago
@KeyboardPacifist I wish you would stop trying to project your own straw man into what i said about the rapture, and "its at the end of the chapter" is hardly a persuasive rebutal. Anyone who wants to study the fact that the Rapture occurs before the Tribulation, can do so by going to the following page. bcrevolution(dot)ca/rapture_facts(dot)htm
mike6291 1 year ago
@mike6291 Really? ... And.. um.. then by that very admittance, you can tell your fellow pre-trib fable tellers to stop pretending this statement means anything: "uuuh.. er.. i don't see The Church much after Revelation ch.4" Since you've cleared that line of thought up, Mike. And you want to talk "facts" as though we were all missing them. After 20 years of hearing your "facts" and nonsense, I'll think I'll think for myself and let the Holy Bible speak for itself
KeyboardPacifist 1 year ago
please show me biblical proof that there will be a rapture.
sonicwind1018 2 years ago
Sure... Just Google 'Rapture Facts' and read the first website link from bcrevolution. There's actually lots of Bibical proof.
mike6291 2 years ago
1 thessalonians 4 : 15-18 god has not appointed us to wrath- the bible says, in revelation god says to john = come up here, this guy twists scripture, i was very dissapointed, i thought i had found some good studys, but if he doesnt believe in the rapture, i dont trust him in any thing else, the bible does not contradict itself, god bless, just read and pray for truth
rick00770 2 years ago
The tribulation is not the wrath. The casting into the lake of fire is the wrath.
SOPChurch 2 years ago
to say the rapture is not true is to say parts of the bible are not true, this can never be, i listened and you made no sense, there are many instances in the word where god delivered his people from danger, noah , israilites from egypt, types and shadows and then its plain as stated, we will meet him in the air, i will have to respectfully disagree , thank you for having mike hoggard on show. i say rapture is pretrib , thats all i have to say, its settled with me, we will see.
rick00770 2 years ago
@rick00770 Sorry. the bible says otherwise. Lot went through years of torment. The book of Hebrews says so. Noah went through nearly 600 years of it. Christ said so. The Hebrews went through all 10 plagues of Eygpt. If you are a believer, you will be here throughout tribulation.. but you will escape WRATH of His Judgement. In the N.T. .. the tribulation = "thylpsis." and Test it. The terrors on the Earth = "thumos" In the N.T. the wrath we escape = "orge."
KeyboardPacifist 1 year ago
@SOPChurch Wrath in the Bible.... is in Koine "orge" Tribulation in the bible... is "thlipsis." The TWO are quite separate.
KeyboardPacifist 1 year ago
@rick00770 he does believe in the rapture just not before the tribulation...Gods wrath you speak of is the pestilence, hail from the sky, diseases, skin boils, un-believers will even try to kill them selves and the bible says God will perserve there life to pro-long suffering...thats the wrath that wont happen affect those of us that are still alive...and thats the truth
mr44doom 1 year ago
@rick00770 The debate is between mid-trib rapture and pre-trib rapture.
th3w4tchm4n 1 year ago
@th3w4tchm4n The debate on the video... is a post-tribber... explaining all the fallacies of the "pre-Trib fable" ....
KeyboardPacifist 1 year ago
@rick00770 Godd wrath and christian tribulation are two different things smart guy. the tribulation is us getting persecuted for our faith in God. the wrath is the plagues and pestilance and hail comets and skin boils etc....that wont effect us. now do you get it?
mr44doom 1 year ago
@rick00770 ....... We are not appointed to "orge." Test me on this. I mean you no offense. But test it. Look up everytime the Bible uses "orge" and then look up everytime the Bible uses "thylipsis." You will find that we are here during "thylipsis" but spared God's "orge." ... If you finish that... then compare Romans ch.8... with the use of "thumos" in John's Book of Revelation. Please... follow through with this. You will be GREATLY rewarded.
KeyboardPacifist 1 year ago
@rick00770 Your English translation of the Holy Bible and your denomination are the ones who twist scripture. He believes the rapture.. but he doesn't believe the non-biblical pre-trib timing.
KeyboardPacifist 1 year ago
@rick00770 wrath and tribulation are two different things... read 1 thessalonians 4: 15-17... also read about the seals- trumpets- bowls ,,,carefully....Noah lived in trouble times but was saved from the wrath.... Tribulation = trouble times... Noah lived in troubled times but save from the wrath. I hope you understand what I am taking about.
locotiger 1 year ago
@mike6291 I don't think you understand the actual Hebrew Wedding. ... or the Feasts.... or the parable of the 10 Virgins. The wedding you've been sold is not the one Christ spoke of, but it's the Talmudic-Greco wedding. Four of the Seven Holy Feasts are fullfilled. The remainders are metaphors of His Return, His Holy Judgement of the Dead and Our Dwelling With Him. The 10 Virgins slept & did not watch. When Christ says watch, He is telling us to Guard His Word
KeyboardPacifist 1 year ago
@KeyboardPacifist I'm sorry you "think" that way... I suggest you take this up with a Jewish scholar. I've been studying the issue for years, and you surely don't suggest the Church is not referred to repeatedly as the Bride, do you? The ten virgins are not waiting for "the word" they are waiting for the bridegroom. That is the context.
mike6291 1 year ago
@mike6291 I'm sorry you think that Jewish scholars aren't going to defend the Bablylonian Talmud or the hyper-Hellenic transition made during the Roman period. You accuse me of a strawman debate & then pretend as though I have denied a core teaching that the Church = The bride.
Quite arrogant. No one is disputing the context or what that parable is analogous to. Hint: you can stop pretending and start making an attempt to "exchange" known principles to make your case.
KeyboardPacifist 1 year ago
It's a little late to preach pretrib...We're already going into it..
yochanah1 2 years ago
So when did anti-christ sign his peace treaties with many nations... and who are the 10 kings?
mike6291 2 years ago
Peace treaties will be between Israel & Middle Eastern Nations. Just hours ago A palestinian state with Jerusalem as 'palestines' capital was promised. The EU will be the "Ten Kings" IE. nations. It;s here ~ watch it unfold & Go read The Book.
yochanah1 2 years ago
Ok, so what i gather you are saying is that its not "late" per se' but that people don't have much time left to make up their mind....
btw, the kingdom of ten kings is global.. not just the EU.
mike6291 2 years ago
Exactly ~ We are at the door. We've experience a 'Little' tribulation ~ not the great. As for the Kings many believe they will come from the old Roman Empire. Globally there are four sectors; Asian ~ European ~ African & the Americas. I guess we'll know soon enough. I know this ~ From Genesis too Revelation the Fig Tree is Israel. Gods Word says when the Fig Tree blossoms this generation will not pass away before the return of the Son Of Man ~ May !5, !948 All was fulfilled.
yochanah1 2 years ago
May 15, !948 ~ Sorry about that.
yochanah1 2 years ago
Did also you know that the UN has divided the globe into 10 regions. This is where the idea of the North American Union came from, so its right at the door.
I expect to see plans for a common currency soon as well. Once they collapse the current system, the people will accept a common replacement.
mike6291 2 years ago
Yes ~ I knew. America is being broken to receive the world ruler that must be in place at the return of our Lord. He is already on the worlds screen. This has been orchestrated for generations by globalists. They have no idea ~ They are mere pawns in the hand of God bringing us into our destiny. We will soon see if it will be one currency or divided by sectors Eventually all will receive their "ID" or be banned from any form of commerce. Even so come quickly Lord Jesus !!!
yochanah1 2 years ago
@mike6291
The Bible doesn't say that the ties will be peace ties. It doesn't specify that Dan.9 "covenant" is with them. It doesn't say who the Kings are either. There are many good possibilities.
KeyboardPacifist 1 year ago
Good vid , im amazed how many Christians believe in pre-tib ,and im amazed how many pastors teach it -- shame on them
God bless
tonythatjesusloves 2 years ago