grizzly man

[ohfoolishworkerbee]

You have to realize this is an isolated wilderness preserve in alaska - there's no housing developements nearby where desensitized bears could wander into. I hate people relentlessly attacking any goodwill or bonding between people and nature. Personally, I think he should have stuck with the foxes, though. The way he bonded with them is incredible - and they really showed him affection and devotion the bears didnt. They're like his puppies!

[WelteringInBlood]

I think Tim was just a very troubled guy who'd been fucked over by alot of people and he found his sanctuary among nature and wild animals. This guy had passion and conviction in something he truly believed in, which is a rare trait these days amongst humans. He genuinely did believe he was helping the bears, and for that I cannot criticize him. Timothy has my utmost respect.

[aceace39]

one of my favorite scenes in the movie, with the charming little foxes and that breathtaking backdrop. Always brings a smile to my face

[rockettransam911]

@mredsghost Thank you very much! :)

[TheChai0628]

He doesn`t have to say he loves it. That`s just queer.

[Astharot90]

@TranshumanCyborg oh ok...lol the worst animal, but most important: humans can changes theirself....but they don't or maybe don't want to change. Well....have a good day!

[bmhyakiri]

@Astharot90 wat.

[Astharot90]

@TranshumanCyborg HUMAN: Kingdom: Animalia Phylum: Chordata Class: Mammalia Order: Primates Family: Hominidae Genus: Homo Species: H. sapiens Subspecies: H. s. sapiens WE ARE ANIMALS, WORST ONES (not everyone, most of you)

[draugr7]

@TranshumanCyborg people are animals

[hexrei]

everyone dies. most people die shitty, mundane deaths, full of regret.

[eastbaybochat]

@hexrei I would take a mundane death any day before being ripped to shreds by a savage beast along with my girlfriend

[hexrei]

@eastbaybochat Different strokes. 

[WildlifeDen]

Running with wild Foxes in a huge refuge. Must have been the most beautiful and uplifting experience =>

[AmericanNohbuddy]

@WildlifeDen

Until you get mauled, torn up, and eaten by a bear.

[Ktechno]

@ThaDRP HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[tobimontana69]

@ThaDRP lol!

[PS3NSKYLINE34]

@ThaDRP are you high

[Theseventhknight]

@ThaDRP are you insane?

[35TCK]

@ThaDRP

Someone shoot that fucking lady!!!!!!!!!!!!! rat ta ta tat tat

[Scracia]

ti amo

[Nerdybuttz]

Should've stuck with the foxes.

At least he could've fed them for a couple weeks.

[chipleader14]

is he playing with a wild fox?

[marveets]

yup

[iTzNightCrawler]

@chipleader14 yep

[fanofkingofpop]

µI think this guy wasn't crazy (that's what a lot of people say) he was a great man

[twieneke76]

@fanofkingofpop He was nucking futs.

[ThomasJeromeNewton]

well ollie the bear had to be slit open to recover the remains

[t239]

Timothy wanted to have sex with those bears.  That's the only reason why he was out there for so long.

[greengrendel]

Yeah. hate on the guy that died because he loved the animals, not on the poeple who go out with the intention of killing them.

[thegirl44]

Treadwell caused more bear deaths than cull kills averaged out amongst hunters.

Love is a higher emotion, it's up there with anger and stress, as opposed to apathy or indifference. You contradict yourself in your own argument with the use of the term mental processes, the exact thing that animals lack to equate certain chemical reactions to love.

And the fox liked Treadwell because he fed him. End of.

[greengrendel]

@thegirl44: you mean animals can't be angry or stressed? you're waay wrong about that. And I don't say that because I "like animals" I say it because I like etology.

[thegirl44]

We have a cougar in recovery from a broken leg at our sanctuary, right now. She's basically in traction, heavily medicated and angry and stressed all of the time because she cannot reason that what we are doing is actually in her best interest, nor can she reason that most of the anger and stress is due to a side effect of the pain killer that we're giving her.

She doesn't "own" those feelings, as you and I would in the form of emoting, she is merely reacting to stimulus.

[greengrendel]

@thegirl44 ""own" those feelings, as you and I would in the form of emoting"

Explain please? what does emoting mean?

[greengrendel]

the dictionary gives me "To express emotion, especially in an excessive or theatrical manner" I don't think that's what you mean.

[thegirl44]

Yes, that's what I mean, when you express emotion you are emoting.

[greengrendel]

@thegirl44:

I am not "lifting" nonhuman emotions, I am saying human ones are the same process as a nonhuman animal's.

I think you are wrong to assume reason is PART of human emotions . It influences their display: A man may find a compromising message and reason his wife is cheating on him. But the anger is the same as when a baboon catches his harem female with a young male.

Man might hide it till he can get revenge, while baboon will attack, But the emotion was the same.

[thegirl44]

You're talking about reaction, not emotion. You have to emote emotion and, contrary to what you personally believe, reason is very much a part of it.

You can not anthropomorphize the human condition on to animals for the simple fact that we can reason. If I'm hungry that hunger isn't going to override my reasoning powers that stealing a sandwich from person twice my size is a bad idea where as a hungry animal will throw that caution to the wind.

Same chemical reaction.

[greengrendel]

Even if i admitted to that (and that example is blatantly false, you know as well as I that hunters go for weaker prey unless desperate) Expression of emotion was not the subject here, you were trying to prove the fox CAN'T FEEL love.

Briefly: You can force yourself with reason to suppress an emotion (which hunger isn't, it's a drive), with difficulty, but the emotion is an animal thing.

[thegirl44]

Read my last comment again, I'm not talking about prey.

If emotion were an "animal thing" we would be predispositioned to react emotionally the same way in the same circumstances, but we don't. Something may piss you off where I couldn't care less.

The fox depended on Treadwell for food, this fact is documented. I'm sure the fox was tickled pink to have a constant food source but that's all he associated Treadwell with. If he felt anything akin to love it was for the food, not Treadwell.

[thegirl44]

Consider this, gg: A few years back I had to necropsy two dogs who's owner's death wasn't reported for over a month.

We figured, from the condition of all three bodies, that it took the dogs about 5 days to exhaust all other food sources in the house before they started in on the owner. These dogs were hungry, but they weren't ravenous, they were simply using their secondary food source when their primary one gave out.

Kinda like what Bear 141 did to Treadwell.

[thegirl44]

On the other hand, there have been cases of people starving to death when there was a viable food source in the form of a pet available

This to me strongly illustrates that, unlike us, animals do not feel love, devotion, or anything in the higher emotional scale.

[gloryislove]

that fox loved him, if you watch the whole documentary. nobody made the fox stick around. look at it rolling around like a cat! clearly, it enjoyed timothy's attention.

[thegirl44]

...and his food. There is footage of Timothy Treadwell feeding his fox that wasn't included in this documentary.

Treadwell is also directly responsible for the death of 9, possibly 11, of the bear that he interacted with.

You said that you watched this film in a psych class on another video? I think that you've missed the point entirely, glory.

[Theseventhknight]

@thegirl44 I feel like treadwell wasn't big on killing bears. That was sort of his thing. Protecting the bears. So which bears was he directly responsible for the death of?

And if you're complaining about the fox liking Treadwell's food... that's why dogs like us. That's why cats are our pets. Attention and food. Saying that the fox liked his food isn't a very negative argument. It's more of a statement of fact. That's how pets or wild-animals-that-act-like-pet­s are.

[thegirl44]

Treadwell claimed that he never fed the animals that he interacted with, it came out after his death that he had.

Bear death count for the study that I am currently participating in:

The original 2 bear.

5 bear shot in the park or by hunters due to the fact that Treadwell's interaction with them removed their, all important, fear of men...with guns.

2 bear winter starved due to the fact that they went into hibernation ill prepared having relied on Treadwell for food for so long.

[thegirl44]

gloryoflove claimed that the fox loved Mr. Treadwell. Animals do not possess the ego or mental awareness to understand the emotion that we, a higher species, identify as love.

Your domestic pet doesn't love you, your domestic pet enjoys the continued food source and shelter that you provide for it. If you were to die and no one noticed, you would quickly become a secondary food source for your domestic pet when their primary food source runs out.

[greengrendel]

@thegirl44: love isn't a "higher emotion", it's just an instinct, a combination of chemical reactions and mental processes that evolved because there is an advantage for a mother to love it's babies, or it's mate, or it's friends/packmates.

"Your domestic pet" might or might not love you. The fox's attachment was made of trust, and "brother bonding"which means "we hunt togheder and defend each other" and I THINK THAT'S LOVE!

[Theseventhknight]

I'll accept the original 2 bears. And that it is not good that he lied about feeding the animals.

But show me the studies saying that 2 bears starved from lack of food because they were expecting food from Treadwell.

Furthermore, you saying "5 bears shot by hunters" and then saying it's treadwell's fault? Really? So it's NOT the people with the guns, doing the shooting, that are at fault? The ones that ACTUALLY killed the bears aren't the ones we should blame?

That's ridiculous.

[thegirl44]

"Bear death count for the study that I AM CURRENTLY participating in:"

The answer to your question was in the post, the study hasn't been released yet as we are working on it.

3 of the 5 bear shot were shot IN THE PROTECTION OF THE PARK, by rangers, because they kept approaching visitors looking for food. The hunters said that the other 2 bear "walked right up to them." These bear wouldn't have been habituated to humans if Treadwell hadn't been feeding them and therefore wouldn't have been shot.

[Theseventhknight]

alright. you're participating in it, and it's not done yet. So what proof DO you have that supports such claims?

I'll give you the 3/5 shot by rangers for right now, but again--you're telling me that hunters came in and shot the bears. And that's treadwell's fault.

Because, realize right now--if the bears had been habituated to humans and went up to the hunters and the hunters RAN AWAY... the bear's wouldn't be dead. The gun, metaphorical and physical, still lies in the hunters' hands.

[gloryislove]

oh, im so happy to see that my silly post caused so much uproar. and my domestic pet does LOVE me. just because she cannot say it doesnt mean it isnt there. i mean, we may not think of it as love in comparison to the love we are capable of, but it is an attachment. she trusts me to feed her everyday, she trusts me to let her sleep in my bed every night. if you ask me, that is a form of bonding that is quite similar to the human equivelent of love.

[gloryislove]

if you're so big on saving animals in a different way, why don't you go figure out some way to keep animals from being hunted. chances are, none of you have the courage or the dedication to do what timothy did. he was one man that changed many people. he was trying to show that these animals are more than fur coats and rugs. they live a life with purpose, in their own right. God put every single animal on this earth with the intentions that they would live peacefully with humans, every day.

[rockettransam911]

@gloryislove Tim gained the trust of these animals... Tim showed them people aren't dangerous. Well guess what., people ARE dangerous, and by becoming "friends" with these foxes and bears, he gave them no reason to run from a hunter. That's just the way it is. His heart was in the right place, but I truly think he made things far more dangerous for every animal he came across.

[villegass]

CHAOS REIGNS

[ChrisDaLunatic]

I want to hurt that fox.

[QueensNewYork7]

Some humans need to respect wild animals more, give them their space and admire them FROM A DISTANCE.

[almostjoeyg]

its fine he's is caring for them the animals like it

[wwih]

This guy is out of his mind.

[stellaamyshim]

i love him and the animals!!!

[frvfree]

R.I.P - timothy.i hope you are in the great bear maze up in heaven;-)

[anahel1231]

i like watching him have a good time u cant put a guy down for doing what he loved it was his life he knew the risk.. as long as he had the best 13 summers of his life then so be it.. R.I.P

[Spakyle]

Awesome..Timothy definitely made friends with the red wolves. I once got lost in a near by town and saw three red wolf cubs..Beautiful scene, sorry about that one bear. Some animals are predators, some aren't. I think Tredwell is delusional, however, there are some scenes in this movie caught on tape that no one would have balls to film, this scene is priceless.

[fmarinko]

I'm jealous of Treadwell. He was able to live in what was certainly his personal reality that gave him the sort of joy most of us will never feel in our lives. And whether or not what he did was right or wrong according to constructed social standards, he lived with a courage few of us have.

I would rather share his "insanity" and fulfilled, than be "sane" and miserable

[mhirtes12]

I heard he was delicious.

[Makhecha]

" i am a kind warrior...sometimes if I am challenged ...the kind warrior must must must become a samurai"

This guy was deluded ..he had lost touch with reality...and used these bears to try and promote himself as some sort of "Bear saviour".LIKE the bears needed saving?especially from this fantasist! WHAT happened to the Samurai -GOT EATEN

The Park service should have forcefully removed him from the parks and saved his life. his girlfriend and those 2 bears they had to kill!

[Beckif44]

i think he was an amazing man and you dont meet many people who are so dedicated to helping others. and for the people who have made the piss take videos you are all disgusting and its people like you who make the world a horrible place to live . fucking sickos! R.I.P x

[bloodthrottle666]

Fantastic! =) R.I.P Timmy you did us proud =]