Amazing how all the pilots and especially the controller stay professional and do their jobs considering they all know dozens of people just died...kudos to them.
I still remember asking my father, "Are you alright?" He was so quiet, gravely so. Something was wrong; his somber guise went beyond the breaking news of a plane crash. He replied, stunned, all the usual joviality gone from his voice, "No, I'm not. So-and-so (I don't remember the name) was on that flight. I knew him"
This is what happens when you hire 250 hour pilots right out of flight training with no real world experience and pay them less then a cashier at McDonald's.
Wow, the pilots couldn't afford hotel rooms and Rebecca Shaw was making less than $16,000 a year! "Less than a bus driver. I think the airlines and the FAA was at fault on this one. It's horrifying to hear what these pilots were doing before the flight!!!
This was tragic. Flying the thing on autopilot in those conditions for so long. The thing trimmed itself all while it was building up ice and they never felt it. Then comes the flaps, gear, out of trim and pulling the nose up ended up a bad day.
The evidence shows that problems in the propeller control unit caused the upset, not pilot error. Most of the eyewitnesses on the ground said the engines sounded like they were in trouble, and a large number said the aircraft was on fire before it crashed.
the cause was fatigue from both the pilot and co-pilot as both had little sleep before flight and the pilot did not see the plane was about to stall and when the stick shaker came on which warns of an imminent stall the pilot raised the nose which reduced the air speed considerably and the co-pilot raised flaps which then no longer gave extra lift. if the pilot dropped the nose they would have picked up air speed and recovered from the stall. they was high enough. thats what happened.
This flight was brought down by criminals who control the USA & anybody who read my explanations why is still thinks it is dumb to think so is one big dumb cattle.
The FDR now indicated that the aircraft's speed was a dangerously slow 131 knots (243 km/h). Unfortunately, instead of following the established stall recovery procedure of adding full power and lowering the nose to break the stall, the captain only added about 75% power and continued applying nose-up inputs. The stall continued until the stick pusher activated. The stick pusher is designed as a last ditch effort to lower the airplane's attitude to fly out of the stall. --Wikipedia
@mfife11 Your theiving looting pedophile Satanist child murdering government & your ignorant selfish swine cattle mentality citizenry is the reason USA is such a bad place to live with bad economy that gave its money to warlords, drug lords & bankers. You don't care about freedom & justice in USA or the world, and you call youself a patriot? You are senseless and brainwashed poor excuse of a human being. You are a complete moron as most Americans are as their government; a threat to humanity.
@candygir7 YA..AMERICA is to blame for all the world's problems..our government is a definite threat to humanity as we are pretty much the only one's who intervene in any world threat... you can go fuck yourself..and I'm pretty sure you are from London or some other pussy ass country with no right to speak poorly of any other country..Ya America is such a horrible country..that's why people have been and are still immigrating and trying to sneak across our borders..
@xjcrossx I am from a country much greater than USA & its Catholic/Roman tyranical rule with 3 cities that have their own laws & government. their laws & government is nothing like what we know in Abrahamic or Illuminati made nation of USA. USA is infested with criminals from all over the world, & the USA constitution is constantly violated by them, but you as an uneducated & brainwashed sheeple would not realize that. my people go around cursing the hell out of each other. Russians fear us.
@xjcrossx and have you not noticed that evil people organized around the world have invaded USA & are taking away all the freedoms & rights we have worked & fought for the past few hundred years? the current criminal government of USA have redefined freedom (now freedom means slavery) and justice (now justice means corruption & violating the rights of people.) flight 3407 had 2 great activist women on it & many other innocent young & older people who were killed by the criminals who control USA.
@candygir7 What the hell are you talking about? This flight was not brought down by criminals who control the USA..! You're a dumb bitch who makes absolutely no sense..and that is why you have at least 5 people that I can see engaged in an argument on this page alone..with most likely countless more..plus your name sounds like you are a stripper..so I'm done talking to you..please don't respond to this as I do not want to spend one more minute of my life talking to someone as idiotic as yourself
@xjcrossx intervene in world threats? you obviously don't know recent USA history. for the past 100 years, USA has attacked nations & stole their resources, besides that the USA is responsible for most of the pollution & destruction of earth. I suggest you go learn recent history. anybody who opposes their tyrrani is killed. all the children USA government killed in wars is not anything you concern yourself with as you really do not care about anybody but yourself.
@mfife11 You are a total ignoramus. there is nothing to be proud of that. Nancy Schaefer and her husband were killed on March 27th 2010. The authorities said her husband for 45 years and have 5 grown children together, yet he, the government claims shot her and then shot himself. She was fighting government corruption in the foster home system for years. She was an ex Georgian state senator. Statistics and many witnesses show that the children are 6 times more abused in the care of government.
@mfife11 It was no coincidence and you are the moron. Remote control & drugging the drink supply is what I suspect. The pilot was known to be irresponsible & leave plane on automatic pilot for too long. He could have been a drug addict for all we know, and the second pilot was new and inexperienced & not all there mentally. Look at the pilot who was experienced & brought the plane down safely in New York a year ago, I suspect remote sabotage there also. Governt did it to kill those 2 activists.
@mfife11 Are you still aware of who those 2 women killed on that plane crash were? They were a major stick in the butt of Fascist Socialist Criminal gov't of America. The woman who refused money offered her by USA gov't for death of her husband in 9/11 attacks & proved orchestrated by USA fascist gov't (Al Qaeda & Bin Laden financed & trained by USA in School of the Americas) The other activist exposed the Socialist French Gov't for doing Rewanda genocide; murder of Tutsi men, women & children.
@DestinyTeamDubs the distance a plane could travel in 22 hours you could not do in a car in 5 days, in 22 hours a plane could fly more than half way round the world, that would take months in a car.
Isn't there a question on the knowledge test for private pilot where the answer is "85% of all incidents or accidents" better know as plane crashes are because of pilot error? 85% pilot error. Not codeming the crew but. The human element IE whats in the cock pit is what counts... All u dipshits complaining about baggage fees and ticket fees, pilots dont make shit. even the captains on major airlines only make 150k or less a year.... regional or small ones make shit for there skills. GTFO
@mfife11 there was a flaw with the anti icing systems on a lot of the ATR's ice would form behind the ice boot making ice removal almost impossible im not saying that was the result of the crash but mabey a contrubituing factor
when i was training to fly in january we were practising an overshoot, you're supposed to raise a little flap but i accidentally flicked it all the way up, looked out the window and we were sinking. lucky had gained some height on the airfield...i'll never make that mistake again.
@wolffgirrl im in a cessna 152... on a missed appr we do 30 to 20 immediatley then 10degrees at a time everytime we get a positive rate of climb... But i've done worse... lol
These regionals pay their crews peanuts with comparable dismal training because regulators allow the industry to operate under free market rules of competition, subject to massive corner cutting, with lives at stake in the air and ground. As if competing burger stands. It's crazy. This is a really tragic crash that was totally avoidable.
OK, at 2:36 the very first ever mention (besides 'bottoms') by pilot or ATC of "ice" appears. About the only way for the Buffalo Approach to know that the TCA was rime ice from 3500-6500' is by PIREP. No pilot did, not even Colgan 3407, until this one pilot chirped up and after 3407 had crashed. The TRACON controller, to no fault of their own, doesn't even know if the region is IMC or VMC. That's how bad the US NAS really is.
alright, another 15 year old here, self taught myself to fly on a sim (no way I could pass the license test or anything, but i get a lot of it) and even I know, with zero training, NEVER raise the flaps in a stall, I can't even think up a dingle situation where that could help...
This is a heavily edited recording. The origial ATC recordings captured by a British tv network have an altitude by altitude conversation with the female co-pilot. The last thing she responds to on that recording is the command to descend to 2,300 feet. She never responded to the comment "have a good night. " This tape has her giving out her flight # after that comment, which was not in the original recording captured immediately after the accident. Why the change?
When you're a pilot you should know what to do in just about every situation. People are trusting the pilots with their lives. A pilot should know how to handle a stall, and he/she should definitely know not to pull up. Im not saying that i know more than a pilot, but i sure as hell know that you shouldn't pull up.
@Chowbizful Look at any flight manual. Every single one will say that you don't pull up during a stall. You don't need to fly a plane to know something you fucking idiot.
That's why I hate flying commercial. You never know what the experience level is of the pilots. And now a days pilots are paid scraps compared to the past. So you get what you pay for.
At least when you are flying on your own or you are driving... You know the experience level, and you have some control over your destiny.
You knuckleheads, of course he knew the "stickshaker!" One primary rule, don't change the flap setting with ice! Leave it and fly "hot" to the touchdown!
Better yet DON'T RAISE THE FLAPS IN A STALL EVER. Airspeed first. Just like on takeoff. No lift. No fly. simple. He didn't know how to react properly and neither did she. Tragic.
Mfife11, is this what was discovered by the FAA? or the Crash report, i heard in the UK it was to do with some kind of "Icing" on the wings, which apparently caused the Avionics to go all messed up, If its not this then i mean, thats what i heard in the UK.
I live on Clarence Center and at first i thought it was like a really loud snow plow but then the sky like lit up. This was such a tragic yet VERY UNNECESSARY event.
i live like 2 blocks away from where this happened and i was in alanta for cheerleadin and 1 of my coaches had to go all the way back cuz her sis was on da plane (coach laura) (ellie died) and we took contenental on the way o alanta and back! creepy :(
@RussRamz im not sure that is correct...a dash8 has a T-tail so if he stalled it was a superstall and he wouldnt have been unable to drop the nose to recover, he would just have falled straight down...
How in the world do flight recordings like this end up on YouTube? Arent these things like....supposed to stay with officials and whatnot? I'm not complaining though...because I like being able to listen to them...but how the hell do they get on youtube?
Usually the CVR data is kept until the investigation is complete which could take years. And they most of the time just release fragments. Its stupid as it is public information but its the government so what can you do.
The First Officer made a gigantic and fatal mistake by retracting the flaps during a partial stall. The Captain was also incompetent but he did not call for flap retraction. The First Officer retracted the flaps on her own and that doomed the plane to crashing. She perhaps thought that they were doing a go around but even so you would never retract flaps until you were out of a stall. As the monitoring pilot the FO never said that the airspeed was degrading.
Sounds like this accident could have been avoided if 1) the pilot had lowered the nose and 2) the FO had not of retracted the flaps. Going back shortly before the crisis, both crew members should have been monitoring their instruments.
You are wrong. The pilot added power and the airspeed increased to 130 kts. With 10 degree flaps the plane would not have stalled. Both pilots were incompetent but raising the flaps during a stall was the worst thing to do and it killed them all.
I wonder which is more embarrassing for the management of these commuter airlines? The fact that they just killed a plane load of passengers due to poor training or the fact that the sum of both the pilot's salaries most likely equaled that of an experienced McDonald's manager.
pilots were such fucking idiots! i feel so bad for all the people who died and their families, just because of 2 stupid people who didnt know how to fly a plane. if you dont know how to fly, dont do it! its not worth risking so many people.
I haven't piloted a plane for quite a while, but I do remember when flying close to stall speed with the aircraft in a landing configuration, I would never retract my flaps! This increases the stall speed.
No, I verified that lowering flaps increases lift and LOWERS the stall speed and retracting flaps INCREASES the stall speed. So, as the stall warning was going off at 140 knots, retracting the flaps could have raised the stall speed to 180 knots, as an example. I don't know what thought process was transpiring during this panic period. Perhaps the pilot increasing power and ordering the landing gear up, the FO decided to raise the flaps to clean it up and reduce drag to gain speed faster.
Raising flaps will also help to push the nose over which would lower the angle of attack of the airfoil, helping to recover from the stall. Raising the flaps and gear would while adding full power would help to gain airspeed to assist in pulling the nose up (slightly) when the stall has recovered.
Very easy to blame somebody who was flying the plane. Anybody know anything about instruments? Anybody know how your computer cam can be remotely activated by the New World Order to spy on you? So what would be so diificult about hacking into a Computer generated atlimeter and airspeed display? Surely no Secret Org would EVER do that to shut up a 911 inquistor. Smile for your computor cam, a Patriot Act Clown is watching you. But they have more important Missions to Achomplish. Fcking Sheep.
doctoretnies, That Lasar beam didn't come from mars, it came from Crawford.
So funny to see Bushitus clowns plug their ears yet make stupid comments to support their corrupt world dictators that rigged elections, rigged wars, rigged markets, rigged Oil prices, rigged Laws, Rigged investigations, rigged accidents...Just look what happened to 3 army guys who signed anti war news article. They just happened to die in car wrecks. Welcome to the MOB, Pubert.
if you want the recording which is ATC not flight, then press play on the video. if you want the transcripts then paste this address : h tt p ://news.yahoo. com /s/ap/20090512/ap_on_go_ot/us_plane_into_home_glance;_ylt=AgOHAhfvJ_fTxhB3MjIHM091wPIE
Haha the cockpit banter sounds like the captain was trying to get his dick wet. I bet he would have too, if not for that little crashing thing that happened afterwards.
First of all there is no Cockpit recordings here, this is all ATC/Approach chatter between the aircrafts in the pattern and the ground. And secondly your an asshole! Have some respect for the deceased. Your comment that was meant to be funny was simply NOT funny.
very tragic. in most accidents the pilot is blamed, nature of the job. everytime I fly, I am super careful and well prepared for anything. they were both good pilots, just made a mistake, just like we all do, unfortunately pilots can't make any in certan situations like this one.
NTSB's investigation indicated that ice on the wing was a precursor to the stall warning but was not severe enough to cause a crash. About the time the two first remarked to each other about the ice, the plane was descending from 11,000 feet and had received permission from air traffic controllers to go as low as 4000 feet in preparation for landing. Federal regulations prohibit non-essential cockpit conversations below 10,000 feet.
Officials from Colgan Air acknowledged that the two apparently weren't paying close attention to the aircraft's instruments and failed to follow the airline's procedures for handling an impeding stall in the final minutes of the flight.
"I believe Captain Renslow did have intentions of landing safely at Buffalo, as well as first officer Shaw, but obviously in those last few moments ... the flight instruments were not being monitored, and that's an indication of a lack of situational awareness"
The haunting transcript of the plane's final moments - preserved by the cockpit voice recorder - was released in the US on Tuesday by the National Transportation Safety Board at the start of a three-day public hearing to examine safety issues raised by the crash.
Among those issues are whether Captain Renslow and Ms Shaw responded properly to warnings that the Dash 8-Q400 Bombardier, a twin-engine turboprop, was nearing a stall.
What she did contributed to the crash. Raising the flaps increases the speed necessary to stay in the air. That is one of the LAST things you want to do if you stall. The pilot also dropped the ball by pulling back on the stick. If you were trying to get in the worst stall possible, have the gear down, flaps down, get the speed real low, then raise the flaps and yank tha stick back. Like the WORST you can possibly do to make it happen. Both of them dropped the ball in the worst way.
Sound to me like both of them didn't get enough training. Especially Renslow didn't have training with the stick pusher situation, that was my understanding.
Showing no alarm, the captain and his first officer chatted about the ice on their plane's windshield and wings, making light of their shared concerns about flying in wintry weather as they sped toward Buffalo, New York, on the night of February 12.
Minutes later, pilot Marvin Renslow said: "Jesus Christ" and Rebecca Shaw screamed as Continental Connection Flight 3407 plunged to the ground, striking a house in a fiery crash. All 49 people aboard and one man on the ground were killed.
This is exactly why you don't let women out of the goddamn kitchen. Never put your life in the hands of a female because she's sure to fuck it all up.
yea should we feel safer if we put an asshole like you in the cockpit? it isnt the womens fault so you should shut the fuck up you worthless peice of shit
If you want to get it right.. I think everyone F'd up.. Never ever put a 20 year old girl with a 40 year old man while the man is working,,, It is us guys who have problems keeping our eyes looking ahead and our hands on the wheel (or yolk in this case) and out of the pants!! yes???!!!
On abc news they said rebecca shaw said :ive never de-iced,I`D have like seen this much ice and though ,oh my gosh,we were going to crash." Direct quote from the flight recordeder,she does not make any sence,I would not want people like this flying me.That is y I drive when I can,LOL
Also this aircraft only disengaged the auto pilot when they started having trouble. Granted the pilot should have taken over but were the pilots really paying attention to what the situation was.
I agree with GTOUGH the angle of attack does have everything to do with an aircraft stalling. It is like when you practice stalls, you pitch the nose up until you hit the stall speed and once exceeded you have passed the critical angle of attack and the aircraft will eventually fall out of the sky. In this case it is hard to tell if icing equipment was on or off or if the auto pilot was disconnected too soon. In other videos I have watched auto pilot seems to come off after the outer marker.
I'm not that familiar with this incident but blakman7's comment caught my eye: he's wrong and he's right. First, I'm a flying instructor with nearly five thousand hours flying time. A stall has everything to do with the AoA. If the Critical AoA is exceeded then the A/C willl stall, because then there will be insufficient airflow OVER the wings. So, an A/C will stall if there is insufficient airflow over the wings but that will be because the Critical AoA must have been exceeded.
plus, if you listen to the ATC, he asks 'Delta 1998' if they were VFR he replies 'negative we're IFC' which means visibilty sucked. 'Delta 1998' also mentions that they picked up some ice between 6500 ft and 3400 ft on descent. Maybe the ice wasn't built up on Continental 3407 until their descent.
"Three days of National Transportation Safety Board hearings will also receive testimony Renslow did exactly the wrong thing when an anti-stall alarm went off: He pulled back on the controls instead of pushing forward, the sources said."
Okay, I'm not a pilot, but I do own Microsoft Flight Sim X. The instruction manual states that when in a stall, your angle of attack is too steep, so you need to get the air flow running back under the wings (paraphrasing)...more to come.
The Dash-8 has a built-in procedure when in danger of a stall. The autopilot will actually dip the nose down to increase airflow over the wings and therefore attempt to re-stabilize the aircraft. This was shut off mid-procedure by the pilot who then puled back on the stick too hard too close to the ground. The dash stalled, tilted sideways and nosed in.
Not entirely true my friend. You don't have to be at a steep A.O.A (Angle of Attack) to stall an aircraft. A stall has nothing to do with the angle at which your aircraft is positioned, it has to do with whether an adequate amount of airflow is getting over/under the wing(s).
I know that. So were they just not carrying enough speed you think? Perhaps ice increased the weight of the dash, making it necessary to carry more flaps-down airspeed? It does seem very clear that AOA was this issue for the second and fatal stall.
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I didn't say she was the Captain. Women should not be allowed into a man's workplace. They are an unnecessary distraction. And if she was a good officer she wouldn't have corrected the pilot's mistake.
What an asinine thing to say! So, what's your excuse for the thousands of all-male flight crews who have crashed, hmm?
Inexperience on the Captain's part contributed to this crash. They should have never taken off with the ice so thick on the leading edges of that aircraft. THAT'S a Captain's call, not the first officer's.
In any case (from previous post), he stalled the craft by decreasing the air flow along the leading edge of the wings. The ice didn't help either, because it disrupted the airflow as well.
So the ice caused the stall, but he caused the crash twice over. NOT the first officer. If she was that experienced, she'd have been the captain.
Y does people keep saying that was a continental plane?..... Just because it carries the Continental logo doesnt meant its a continental plane.... Its a COLGAN AIR
i didnt hear anything.
bigjim10011 3 months ago
Amazing how all the pilots and especially the controller stay professional and do their jobs considering they all know dozens of people just died...kudos to them.
fortitude3030 3 months ago
No just the female voice is dead..
alnilam66 4 months ago
wow this is chilling...half of the people on the radio talking are now dead....
Mr420ways 4 months ago
I still remember asking my father, "Are you alright?" He was so quiet, gravely so. Something was wrong; his somber guise went beyond the breaking news of a plane crash. He replied, stunned, all the usual joviality gone from his voice, "No, I'm not. So-and-so (I don't remember the name) was on that flight. I knew him"
Gorette66 6 months ago
This is what happens when you hire 250 hour pilots right out of flight training with no real world experience and pay them less then a cashier at McDonald's.
12cfidan 7 months ago
@12cfidan i agree with this
hulk90000 5 months ago
my bum really smelled that night
Wiindjammer 7 months ago
Wow, the pilots couldn't afford hotel rooms and Rebecca Shaw was making less than $16,000 a year! "Less than a bus driver. I think the airlines and the FAA was at fault on this one. It's horrifying to hear what these pilots were doing before the flight!!!
emolnar20012 8 months ago
Captain causes stall, working on recovery and the FO pulls the rug out by retracting all flaps. YIKES!
otosflashymoon 8 months ago
This was tragic. Flying the thing on autopilot in those conditions for so long. The thing trimmed itself all while it was building up ice and they never felt it. Then comes the flaps, gear, out of trim and pulling the nose up ended up a bad day.
patjparks 8 months ago
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The evidence shows that problems in the propeller control unit caused the upset, not pilot error. Most of the eyewitnesses on the ground said the engines sounded like they were in trouble, and a large number said the aircraft was on fire before it crashed.
starviego 8 months ago
R.I.P
assasinbob1 9 months ago
the cause was fatigue from both the pilot and co-pilot as both had little sleep before flight and the pilot did not see the plane was about to stall and when the stick shaker came on which warns of an imminent stall the pilot raised the nose which reduced the air speed considerably and the co-pilot raised flaps which then no longer gave extra lift. if the pilot dropped the nose they would have picked up air speed and recovered from the stall. they was high enough. thats what happened.
mswales32 10 months ago 2
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Aliendear 10 months ago
@Aliendear 1/2 of New York witnessed 9/11. There are thousands of remaining witnesses.
coolspot18 10 months ago
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Aliendear 10 months ago
Gay ass comments ruin Youtube. Fuck this. I'm going to Newgrounds.
AlexplusChris 11 months ago
show some respect people. goddamn
cgabrielnfg 11 months ago
this model has one really bad attribute seriously small wing.
seattlefw190 1 year ago
This flight was brought down by criminals who control the USA & anybody who read my explanations why is still thinks it is dumb to think so is one big dumb cattle.
candygir7 1 year ago
The FDR now indicated that the aircraft's speed was a dangerously slow 131 knots (243 km/h). Unfortunately, instead of following the established stall recovery procedure of adding full power and lowering the nose to break the stall, the captain only added about 75% power and continued applying nose-up inputs. The stall continued until the stick pusher activated. The stick pusher is designed as a last ditch effort to lower the airplane's attitude to fly out of the stall. --Wikipedia
clintonearlwalker 1 year ago
candygirl is retarded
bgilly2111 1 year ago
@bgilly2111 it is you who is retarded and completely senseless.
candygir7 1 year ago
@mfife11
there is a 9 hr (!) video on this...
"NTSB Sunshine Meeting on Colgan Flight 3407 (Full Meeting 9+ hours: " it's copy/paste, the title isn't full but will get u there, i think..
thedayitriedtodie 1 year ago
@mfife11 Your theiving looting pedophile Satanist child murdering government & your ignorant selfish swine cattle mentality citizenry is the reason USA is such a bad place to live with bad economy that gave its money to warlords, drug lords & bankers. You don't care about freedom & justice in USA or the world, and you call youself a patriot? You are senseless and brainwashed poor excuse of a human being. You are a complete moron as most Americans are as their government; a threat to humanity.
candygir7 1 year ago
@candygir7 YA..AMERICA is to blame for all the world's problems..our government is a definite threat to humanity as we are pretty much the only one's who intervene in any world threat... you can go fuck yourself..and I'm pretty sure you are from London or some other pussy ass country with no right to speak poorly of any other country..Ya America is such a horrible country..that's why people have been and are still immigrating and trying to sneak across our borders..
xjcrossx 1 year ago
@xjcrossx I am from a country much greater than USA & its Catholic/Roman tyranical rule with 3 cities that have their own laws & government. their laws & government is nothing like what we know in Abrahamic or Illuminati made nation of USA. USA is infested with criminals from all over the world, & the USA constitution is constantly violated by them, but you as an uneducated & brainwashed sheeple would not realize that. my people go around cursing the hell out of each other. Russians fear us.
candygir7 1 year ago
@xjcrossx and have you not noticed that evil people organized around the world have invaded USA & are taking away all the freedoms & rights we have worked & fought for the past few hundred years? the current criminal government of USA have redefined freedom (now freedom means slavery) and justice (now justice means corruption & violating the rights of people.) flight 3407 had 2 great activist women on it & many other innocent young & older people who were killed by the criminals who control USA.
candygir7 1 year ago
@candygir7 What the hell are you talking about? This flight was not brought down by criminals who control the USA..! You're a dumb bitch who makes absolutely no sense..and that is why you have at least 5 people that I can see engaged in an argument on this page alone..with most likely countless more..plus your name sounds like you are a stripper..so I'm done talking to you..please don't respond to this as I do not want to spend one more minute of my life talking to someone as idiotic as yourself
xjcrossx 1 year ago
@xjcrossx intervene in world threats? you obviously don't know recent USA history. for the past 100 years, USA has attacked nations & stole their resources, besides that the USA is responsible for most of the pollution & destruction of earth. I suggest you go learn recent history. anybody who opposes their tyrrani is killed. all the children USA government killed in wars is not anything you concern yourself with as you really do not care about anybody but yourself.
candygir7 1 year ago
@mfife11 You are a total ignoramus. there is nothing to be proud of that. Nancy Schaefer and her husband were killed on March 27th 2010. The authorities said her husband for 45 years and have 5 grown children together, yet he, the government claims shot her and then shot himself. She was fighting government corruption in the foster home system for years. She was an ex Georgian state senator. Statistics and many witnesses show that the children are 6 times more abused in the care of government.
candygir7 1 year ago
@mfife11 It was no coincidence and you are the moron. Remote control & drugging the drink supply is what I suspect. The pilot was known to be irresponsible & leave plane on automatic pilot for too long. He could have been a drug addict for all we know, and the second pilot was new and inexperienced & not all there mentally. Look at the pilot who was experienced & brought the plane down safely in New York a year ago, I suspect remote sabotage there also. Governt did it to kill those 2 activists.
candygir7 1 year ago
@mfife11 Are you still aware of who those 2 women killed on that plane crash were? They were a major stick in the butt of Fascist Socialist Criminal gov't of America. The woman who refused money offered her by USA gov't for death of her husband in 9/11 attacks & proved orchestrated by USA fascist gov't (Al Qaeda & Bin Laden financed & trained by USA in School of the Americas) The other activist exposed the Socialist French Gov't for doing Rewanda genocide; murder of Tutsi men, women & children.
candygir7 1 year ago
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candygir7 1 year ago
@mfife11 and what a coincidence 2 big time activist women were on that plane and died. visit the website MayaBell (dot com)
candygir7 1 year ago
sad
DandyDubber 1 year ago
this is why i am willing to take 5 day ca rride over a 22 hours plane ride :D
DestinyTeamDubs 1 year ago
@DestinyTeamDubs the distance a plane could travel in 22 hours you could not do in a car in 5 days, in 22 hours a plane could fly more than half way round the world, that would take months in a car.
tonightwefly 1 year ago
@tonightwefly Oh yeah? How about a Bugati Veyron vs. a Cessna 150?
mr3856a 1 year ago
p://flightaware (DOT) com/live/flight/CJC3407
saddlebackdude123 1 year ago
Pretty sure somebody screwed with their electronics mid-air. It can be done relatively easily with directed energy technology.
And remember, that's Dr. Crazy Nutjob to you.
hnyoung 1 year ago
4:13 the impact =(
traceynorthernstar 1 year ago
Isn't there a question on the knowledge test for private pilot where the answer is "85% of all incidents or accidents" better know as plane crashes are because of pilot error? 85% pilot error. Not codeming the crew but. The human element IE whats in the cock pit is what counts... All u dipshits complaining about baggage fees and ticket fees, pilots dont make shit. even the captains on major airlines only make 150k or less a year.... regional or small ones make shit for there skills. GTFO
t008er 1 year ago
@mfife11 there was a flaw with the anti icing systems on a lot of the ATR's ice would form behind the ice boot making ice removal almost impossible im not saying that was the result of the crash but mabey a contrubituing factor
Ladiesman217n 1 year ago
when i was training to fly in january we were practising an overshoot, you're supposed to raise a little flap but i accidentally flicked it all the way up, looked out the window and we were sinking. lucky had gained some height on the airfield...i'll never make that mistake again.
wolffgirrl 1 year ago
@wolffgirrl im in a cessna 152... on a missed appr we do 30 to 20 immediatley then 10degrees at a time everytime we get a positive rate of climb... But i've done worse... lol
t008er 1 year ago
These regionals pay their crews peanuts with comparable dismal training because regulators allow the industry to operate under free market rules of competition, subject to massive corner cutting, with lives at stake in the air and ground. As if competing burger stands. It's crazy. This is a really tragic crash that was totally avoidable.
RenoDoctor 1 year ago 2
OK, at 2:36 the very first ever mention (besides 'bottoms') by pilot or ATC of "ice" appears. About the only way for the Buffalo Approach to know that the TCA was rime ice from 3500-6500' is by PIREP. No pilot did, not even Colgan 3407, until this one pilot chirped up and after 3407 had crashed. The TRACON controller, to no fault of their own, doesn't even know if the region is IMC or VMC. That's how bad the US NAS really is.
RenoDoctor 1 year ago
@RenoDoctor And how is it better elsewhere?
rotorznwingz 1 year ago
What are the odds of both a husband and a wife being killed in a plane crash? Must be astronomical.
CLeoTorris 1 year ago
what do they mean, "Brown Ice"?
joshr783 1 year ago
he said rime ice. Its rough stuff, not smooth whatsoever, very lumpy. Destroys air flow.
d0rkiishchris 1 year ago
@joshr783 "Rime Ice" my friend, not "brown"
blakman7 1 year ago
single*
comalley0130 1 year ago
alright, another 15 year old here, self taught myself to fly on a sim (no way I could pass the license test or anything, but i get a lot of it) and even I know, with zero training, NEVER raise the flaps in a stall, I can't even think up a dingle situation where that could help...
comalley0130 1 year ago 7
@comalley0130 Yeah, I'm sixteen and I've played flightsim for quite a while, and raising the flaps in a stall was just idiotic..
TheSweSkillz0rs 1 month ago
wow. talk about the twilight zone. lol
airman193 1 year ago
pulling in the flaps is standard procedure on a stall. remember a stall can occur at any altitude or attitude
steelsox1022 1 year ago
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cjephcott 1 year ago
yes your right at any altitude, attitude or speed, it all depends on the angle of attack
estian1 1 year ago
Not until the plane reaches a safe airspeed to do so and never change configuration when you stall with ice on the wings.
Cutedge2 1 year ago
This is a heavily edited recording. The origial ATC recordings captured by a British tv network have an altitude by altitude conversation with the female co-pilot. The last thing she responds to on that recording is the command to descend to 2,300 feet. She never responded to the comment "have a good night. " This tape has her giving out her flight # after that comment, which was not in the original recording captured immediately after the accident. Why the change?
trafficcone 1 year ago
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The engines were sabotaged to stop as the plane went under 2300 feet.
RIP Bev
stockchalet 2 years ago
its pretty bad when a 15 year old knows more of what to do in this situation than a trained pilot...
xliver4 2 years ago 18
@xliver4 I'm pretty sure the 15 year old thought's weren't impaired by the psychologic stress of the pilots??? But what do I know?
emolnar20012 8 months ago
@emolnar20012
When you're a pilot you should know what to do in just about every situation. People are trusting the pilots with their lives. A pilot should know how to handle a stall, and he/she should definitely know not to pull up. Im not saying that i know more than a pilot, but i sure as hell know that you shouldn't pull up.
xliver4 8 months ago
@xliver4 Good point. The airlines have really suffered in quality of service since they have contracted out to commuter carriers.
emolnar20012 8 months ago
@xliver4 I suspect the pilot thought that this was a tail plane stall, the correct procedure would be to pull up and add full power..
MrDaz123321 3 months ago
@xliver4 xD i live 30 seconds away from that crash :'(
XtraRecords 6 months ago
@xliver4 Ja shut up fucking child don't speak if you say things like that, maybe you play flight simulator but you never drove a plane i'm sure ...
Chowbizful 5 months ago
@Chowbizful Look at any flight manual. Every single one will say that you don't pull up during a stall. You don't need to fly a plane to know something you fucking idiot.
xliver4 5 months ago
shitt fucking pilots,
LaZyLuKe25 2 years ago
@mfife11:
You're thinking of the stickpusher.
The pilot was trained on the stickshaker.
bethpage89 2 years ago
ALL viewers!!
Please view Air Crash Investigation Frozen In Flight.
The pics of the plane looks the same as the last 1. Also the audio Transcript and dis say something about others getting ice.
xanalyoko 2 years ago
Yo no choque!!!!! me chocaron !!!!!
KingOfFreeWorld 2 years ago
sometimes it sounds like hmmrmrmhrm
cassandra5322 2 years ago
@mfife11
That's why I hate flying commercial. You never know what the experience level is of the pilots. And now a days pilots are paid scraps compared to the past. So you get what you pay for.
At least when you are flying on your own or you are driving... You know the experience level, and you have some control over your destiny.
batfly 2 years ago
You knuckleheads, of course he knew the "stickshaker!" One primary rule, don't change the flap setting with ice! Leave it and fly "hot" to the touchdown!
davidsholem 2 years ago
Better yet DON'T RAISE THE FLAPS IN A STALL EVER. Airspeed first. Just like on takeoff. No lift. No fly. simple. He didn't know how to react properly and neither did she. Tragic.
grdnangl172 2 years ago 4
is that the model of the plane that crashed ? as seen in the pic.
linoleumcarving 2 years ago
yep
CPTDJB 2 years ago
Dash 8.
philhartman13 2 years ago
Dash 8 - 400
Masonbbb123 2 years ago
Dash 8 - Q402
fsC130J 1 year ago
Hmmm, ok thanks :)
PulseAirTV 2 years ago
Mfife11, is this what was discovered by the FAA? or the Crash report, i heard in the UK it was to do with some kind of "Icing" on the wings, which apparently caused the Avionics to go all messed up, If its not this then i mean, thats what i heard in the UK.
PulseAirTV 2 years ago
this is the 1 that ended up in a house in NY right?
mollydrew 2 years ago
yes sadly
synchroknight 2 years ago
r.i.p sean mossop </3
he went to my school i didnt know him but we miss himm soo much!
xoCBfanxo 2 years ago
A girl from my school was on this plane, I didnt know her personally...but she went to Central Washington University
bpotts0401 2 years ago
I live on Clarence Center and at first i thought it was like a really loud snow plow but then the sky like lit up. This was such a tragic yet VERY UNNECESSARY event.
bananasfoster2 2 years ago 5
i was here when it crashed it flew over my house.i heard the crash and woke up and saw all the flames when it exploded.
bpcondr 2 years ago
i live like 2 blocks away from where this happened and i was in alanta for cheerleadin and 1 of my coaches had to go all the way back cuz her sis was on da plane (coach laura) (ellie died) and we took contenental on the way o alanta and back! creepy :(
KaYmaYcheERleaDER 2 years ago
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women should stay in the kitchen
essex36 2 years ago
Certainly sounds like ice played a factor.
ke3wh 2 years ago
Either way, you never raise the nose to recover from a stall. I have less than 20 hours, and I still know that.
jacobflaschen 2 years ago 4
unless you have a horizontal stab stall, then you want to raise the nose, but on every wing stall, your right, you absolutely dont raise the nose.
domin755 2 years ago
It was a tailplane stall. Nothing recovers from that.
WingsAirBoss 2 years ago
Wrong, a tailplane stall would cause the nose to drop. This crew simply responded incorrectly to a normal stall.
RussRamz 2 years ago 28
@RussRamz russramz is right, pilot error. very stupid pilot error
loxspliff1 1 year ago
@RussRamz im not sure that is correct...a dash8 has a T-tail so if he stalled it was a superstall and he wouldnt have been unable to drop the nose to recover, he would just have falled straight down...
yannpilot 10 months ago
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zoeylilcuds 2 years ago
How in the world do flight recordings like this end up on YouTube? Arent these things like....supposed to stay with officials and whatnot? I'm not complaining though...because I like being able to listen to them...but how the hell do they get on youtube?
jumbotoe123 2 years ago
this is just the ATC tapes, you can listen to this stuff live on the internet. The Cockpit voice recorder normally does not go public very easily.
skymonkey81 2 years ago 4
Usually the CVR data is kept until the investigation is complete which could take years. And they most of the time just release fragments. Its stupid as it is public information but its the government so what can you do.
GulfstreamSucks 2 years ago
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Continental3407 2 years ago
The First Officer made a gigantic and fatal mistake by retracting the flaps during a partial stall. The Captain was also incompetent but he did not call for flap retraction. The First Officer retracted the flaps on her own and that doomed the plane to crashing. She perhaps thought that they were doing a go around but even so you would never retract flaps until you were out of a stall. As the monitoring pilot the FO never said that the airspeed was degrading.
gandalskis 2 years ago 2
Sounds like this accident could have been avoided if 1) the pilot had lowered the nose and 2) the FO had not of retracted the flaps. Going back shortly before the crisis, both crew members should have been monitoring their instruments.
Rodney154 2 years ago
Since the pilot (and copilot) wouldn't do anything to break the stall, the plane would have stalled with or without the 10º of flaps.
bethpage89 2 years ago
You are wrong. The pilot added power and the airspeed increased to 130 kts. With 10 degree flaps the plane would not have stalled. Both pilots were incompetent but raising the flaps during a stall was the worst thing to do and it killed them all.
gandalskis 2 years ago
@gandalskis:
Even after powering up at 22:16:30 the deceleration continued. (The plane was being pitched up to 31 degrees).
By the time the flaps were retracting (at 22:16:35, and 85 KIAS) the stall already had the plane's nose dropping.
Would the plane have recovered at 1900' MSL if the flaps were still at 10 degrees?
The airspeed didn't accelerate to 130 KIAS until 22:16:47 and 1730' MSL, after the second stall at 22:16:45 and 1900' MSL.
bethpage89 2 years ago
I wonder which is more embarrassing for the management of these commuter airlines? The fact that they just killed a plane load of passengers due to poor training or the fact that the sum of both the pilot's salaries most likely equaled that of an experienced McDonald's manager.
MGR1900 2 years ago
pilots were such fucking idiots! i feel so bad for all the people who died and their families, just because of 2 stupid people who didnt know how to fly a plane. if you dont know how to fly, dont do it! its not worth risking so many people.
LedZepp1193 2 years ago 2
I haven't piloted a plane for quite a while, but I do remember when flying close to stall speed with the aircraft in a landing configuration, I would never retract my flaps! This increases the stall speed.
Rodney154 2 years ago
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extened flaps incresses stall speed retracting incresses speed and helps the recovery
computerguy307 2 years ago
computerguy307, you have it 180 degree backwards, DON'T FLY!!!
gandalskis 2 years ago 2
no, the whole point of flaps is to add lift and lower the stall speed
Gunner7121 2 years ago 2
No, I verified that lowering flaps increases lift and LOWERS the stall speed and retracting flaps INCREASES the stall speed. So, as the stall warning was going off at 140 knots, retracting the flaps could have raised the stall speed to 180 knots, as an example. I don't know what thought process was transpiring during this panic period. Perhaps the pilot increasing power and ordering the landing gear up, the FO decided to raise the flaps to clean it up and reduce drag to gain speed faster.
Rodney154 2 years ago
Raising flaps will also help to push the nose over which would lower the angle of attack of the airfoil, helping to recover from the stall. Raising the flaps and gear would while adding full power would help to gain airspeed to assist in pulling the nose up (slightly) when the stall has recovered.
dwillpirate 2 years ago
Very easy to blame somebody who was flying the plane. Anybody know anything about instruments? Anybody know how your computer cam can be remotely activated by the New World Order to spy on you? So what would be so diificult about hacking into a Computer generated atlimeter and airspeed display? Surely no Secret Org would EVER do that to shut up a 911 inquistor. Smile for your computor cam, a Patriot Act Clown is watching you. But they have more important Missions to Achomplish. Fcking Sheep.
911sheeple 2 years ago
The plane was clearly brought down with a laserbeam shot from Mars you stupid fuck.
doctoretnies 2 years ago
doctoretnies, That Lasar beam didn't come from mars, it came from Crawford.
So funny to see Bushitus clowns plug their ears yet make stupid comments to support their corrupt world dictators that rigged elections, rigged wars, rigged markets, rigged Oil prices, rigged Laws, Rigged investigations, rigged accidents...Just look what happened to 3 army guys who signed anti war news article. They just happened to die in car wrecks. Welcome to the MOB, Pubert.
911sheeple 2 years ago
where is the actual final recording from the 3407?
silver418star 2 years ago
if you want the recording which is ATC not flight, then press play on the video. if you want the transcripts then paste this address : h tt p ://news.yahoo. com /s/ap/20090512/ap_on_go_ot/us_plane_into_home_glance;_ylt=AgOHAhfvJ_fTxhB3MjIHM091wPIE
vladtepesbasard 2 years ago
problem with flying is imo, although its save way to travel, if u go down u are like 99% dead...
have a lot of respect for every pilot... i couldnt do it just too much responsibility,
daimen6 2 years ago
Haha the cockpit banter sounds like the captain was trying to get his dick wet. I bet he would have too, if not for that little crashing thing that happened afterwards.
doctoretnies 2 years ago
First of all there is no Cockpit recordings here, this is all ATC/Approach chatter between the aircrafts in the pattern and the ground. And secondly your an asshole! Have some respect for the deceased. Your comment that was meant to be funny was simply NOT funny.
Geeeeezz.... Some people???
clintcollins 2 years ago 3
There is cockpit recordings of the pilots. Look at the transcript. you are wrong.
gandalskis 2 years ago
very tragic. in most accidents the pilot is blamed, nature of the job. everytime I fly, I am super careful and well prepared for anything. they were both good pilots, just made a mistake, just like we all do, unfortunately pilots can't make any in certan situations like this one.
aviabuela 2 years ago
The transmissions got really somber after they all realized another aircraft was done. Sad.
MGM12 2 years ago
Source, Sydney Morning Herald:
NTSB's investigation indicated that ice on the wing was a precursor to the stall warning but was not severe enough to cause a crash. About the time the two first remarked to each other about the ice, the plane was descending from 11,000 feet and had received permission from air traffic controllers to go as low as 4000 feet in preparation for landing. Federal regulations prohibit non-essential cockpit conversations below 10,000 feet.
It's lots of ice, Ms Shaw said
stoneandeddie 2 years ago
Officials from Colgan Air acknowledged that the two apparently weren't paying close attention to the aircraft's instruments and failed to follow the airline's procedures for handling an impeding stall in the final minutes of the flight.
"I believe Captain Renslow did have intentions of landing safely at Buffalo, as well as first officer Shaw, but obviously in those last few moments ... the flight instruments were not being monitored, and that's an indication of a lack of situational awareness"
stoneandeddie 2 years ago 2
The haunting transcript of the plane's final moments - preserved by the cockpit voice recorder - was released in the US on Tuesday by the National Transportation Safety Board at the start of a three-day public hearing to examine safety issues raised by the crash.
Among those issues are whether Captain Renslow and Ms Shaw responded properly to warnings that the Dash 8-Q400 Bombardier, a twin-engine turboprop, was nearing a stall.
stoneandeddie 2 years ago
What she did contributed to the crash. Raising the flaps increases the speed necessary to stay in the air. That is one of the LAST things you want to do if you stall. The pilot also dropped the ball by pulling back on the stick. If you were trying to get in the worst stall possible, have the gear down, flaps down, get the speed real low, then raise the flaps and yank tha stick back. Like the WORST you can possibly do to make it happen. Both of them dropped the ball in the worst way.
grdnangl172 2 years ago 2
Sound to me like both of them didn't get enough training. Especially Renslow didn't have training with the stick pusher situation, that was my understanding.
fruitfast777 2 years ago
Showing no alarm, the captain and his first officer chatted about the ice on their plane's windshield and wings, making light of their shared concerns about flying in wintry weather as they sped toward Buffalo, New York, on the night of February 12.
Minutes later, pilot Marvin Renslow said: "Jesus Christ" and Rebecca Shaw screamed as Continental Connection Flight 3407 plunged to the ground, striking a house in a fiery crash. All 49 people aboard and one man on the ground were killed.
stoneandeddie 2 years ago
This is exactly why you don't let women out of the goddamn kitchen. Never put your life in the hands of a female because she's sure to fuck it all up.
doctoretnies 2 years ago
yea should we feel safer if we put an asshole like you in the cockpit? it isnt the womens fault so you should shut the fuck up you worthless peice of shit
12alltel12 2 years ago
its both of there faults and the airlines
snowmanproductionNF 2 years ago
well weather that is true or not,
Shaw (the woman) was the first officer..
Better known as the "CO-PILOT"
She was NOT flying the plane!
The pilot Renslow (a MAN) was flying..
If you want to get it right.. I think everyone F'd up.. Never ever put a 20 year old girl with a 40 year old man while the man is working,,, It is us guys who have problems keeping our eyes looking ahead and our hands on the wheel (or yolk in this case) and out of the pants!! yes???!!!
orangie84 2 years ago
you're dumb
cavok84 2 years ago
woman should only pilot a a microwave oven cooking for her man, not a plane.
pete25901 2 years ago
fuck you. idiot misogynist bastard
savant0tarde 2 years ago
according to the trans: Renslow put the flaps down 15 deg. before landing checklist.
at whichtime the stick shaker activated, then the auto-pilot disengaged.
then they increased engine power and then Shaw reported that the flaps were up with the stick shaker still going.
now, why would you put your flaps up if your still in a stall?
it sounds like she caused to accident to me.
vladtepesbasard 2 years ago
On abc news they said rebecca shaw said :ive never de-iced,I`D have like seen this much ice and though ,oh my gosh,we were going to crash." Direct quote from the flight recordeder,she does not make any sence,I would not want people like this flying me.That is y I drive when I can,LOL
zeno57 2 years ago
Also this aircraft only disengaged the auto pilot when they started having trouble. Granted the pilot should have taken over but were the pilots really paying attention to what the situation was.
resqtech210 2 years ago
I agree with GTOUGH the angle of attack does have everything to do with an aircraft stalling. It is like when you practice stalls, you pitch the nose up until you hit the stall speed and once exceeded you have passed the critical angle of attack and the aircraft will eventually fall out of the sky. In this case it is hard to tell if icing equipment was on or off or if the auto pilot was disconnected too soon. In other videos I have watched auto pilot seems to come off after the outer marker.
resqtech210 2 years ago
I'm not that familiar with this incident but blakman7's comment caught my eye: he's wrong and he's right. First, I'm a flying instructor with nearly five thousand hours flying time. A stall has everything to do with the AoA. If the Critical AoA is exceeded then the A/C willl stall, because then there will be insufficient airflow OVER the wings. So, an A/C will stall if there is insufficient airflow over the wings but that will be because the Critical AoA must have been exceeded.
GTOUGH 2 years ago
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chriscanndy 2 years ago 4
Chill dude
bansheeturbo 2 years ago
plus, if you listen to the ATC, he asks 'Delta 1998' if they were VFR he replies 'negative we're IFC' which means visibilty sucked. 'Delta 1998' also mentions that they picked up some ice between 6500 ft and 3400 ft on descent. Maybe the ice wasn't built up on Continental 3407 until their descent.
nomoreuserid 2 years ago
"Three days of National Transportation Safety Board hearings will also receive testimony Renslow did exactly the wrong thing when an anti-stall alarm went off: He pulled back on the controls instead of pushing forward, the sources said."
Okay, I'm not a pilot, but I do own Microsoft Flight Sim X. The instruction manual states that when in a stall, your angle of attack is too steep, so you need to get the air flow running back under the wings (paraphrasing)...more to come.
alexhortdog95 2 years ago
The Dash-8 has a built-in procedure when in danger of a stall. The autopilot will actually dip the nose down to increase airflow over the wings and therefore attempt to re-stabilize the aircraft. This was shut off mid-procedure by the pilot who then puled back on the stick too hard too close to the ground. The dash stalled, tilted sideways and nosed in.
nomoreuserid 2 years ago
Not entirely true my friend. You don't have to be at a steep A.O.A (Angle of Attack) to stall an aircraft. A stall has nothing to do with the angle at which your aircraft is positioned, it has to do with whether an adequate amount of airflow is getting over/under the wing(s).
blakman7 2 years ago
I know that. So were they just not carrying enough speed you think? Perhaps ice increased the weight of the dash, making it necessary to carry more flaps-down airspeed? It does seem very clear that AOA was this issue for the second and fatal stall.
nomoreuserid 2 years ago
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This is why women should not be allowed anywhere near an aircraft cockpit.
ephraim0000 2 years ago
The woman was the FIRST OFFICER, not the Captain, smarty pants.
alexhortdog95 2 years ago
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I didn't say she was the Captain. Women should not be allowed into a man's workplace. They are an unnecessary distraction. And if she was a good officer she wouldn't have corrected the pilot's mistake.
ephraim0000 2 years ago
What an asinine thing to say! So, what's your excuse for the thousands of all-male flight crews who have crashed, hmm?
Inexperience on the Captain's part contributed to this crash. They should have never taken off with the ice so thick on the leading edges of that aircraft. THAT'S a Captain's call, not the first officer's.
alexhortdog95 2 years ago 2
Ephraim, you motherfucking jackass
disgrl4 2 years ago
She was not the idiot that was at the controls that crashed the plane.
ILOVEUMPS 2 years ago 3
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And it didn't help that she screamed like a bitch instead of helping the captain control the aircraft.
ephraim0000 2 years ago
In any case (from previous post), he stalled the craft by decreasing the air flow along the leading edge of the wings. The ice didn't help either, because it disrupted the airflow as well.
So the ice caused the stall, but he caused the crash twice over. NOT the first officer. If she was that experienced, she'd have been the captain.
alexhortdog95 2 years ago
That's a really stupid remark
marcoc13579 2 years ago
Thats why I drive on trips,My wife`s driving scares me spitless,LOL
zeno57 2 years ago
Another ICE problem leads to a crash.....how many times has this happened over the years....too many times
When will the arrogance of our ability to fly in these machines end? Flight is a RISK..it always will be
This mentality of "Routine Flight" all too many times leads to disaster in the sky. Each flight is anything but routine and should be treated as such
This disaster can be traced to Inexperienced and Immature pilots who are ultimately responsible for the flight
Matrix5060 2 years ago
Could someone put up captions or a transcript?
Blue387 2 years ago
how many people died?
cuboperu 2 years ago
50
49 On Plane
1 On Ground
umbergerstew 2 years ago 2
damn... imagine a plane falls into someone goood that's horrible... thanks...
cuboperu 2 years ago
Y does people keep saying that was a continental plane?..... Just because it carries the Continental logo doesnt meant its a continental plane.... Its a COLGAN AIR
joby3cute 2 years ago
How come the control was still on duty after the crash of confirmed? Poor guy!
bebocampbell 2 years ago
because even though a plane went down, he was still responsible for hundreds of other planes so he just had to keep working
MrsZao326 2 years ago
but procedures say he should be replaced after an innocedent for a time.
bebocampbell 2 years ago
that doesn't always happen immediately.
nomoreuserid 2 years ago