TV Debate: Secularism vs Islam - Abdullah al Andalusi vs Surendra Lal

[Elantario]

Where are the subtitles for surrender lal, me not understanding what he babbling about!

[Suojeluninja]

"Can Secularism produce peace and prosperity?"

Well at least we got rid of stuff like religious wars, burning witches, the inquisition, religious leaders messing with science ect.

Though for example Finland is not yet an completely secular state but we are making progress.

[GrainSandful]

Wrong -- Hitler was not secular he was a choir boy in a Catholic church and he constantly said that God guided him to kill all Jews... read 'Mein Kampf' which means my struggle (Jihad??) -- actually it is said Grüß Gott which means Salute to God!

[Aloosh12]

guys out of curiosity when the prophet blessings upon him was spreading islam was his goal to make or have an islamic government or state. this idea of an islamic state came during the caliphs. lets take saudi arabia the most religious state is it really living under the sharia for example the oppression of the women. my point is this should be a personal belief i dont get why we need an islamic government. i live in lebanon its a secular state yet we can still live and obide by our religion...

[MahyarAkbar]

@Aloosh12 Allah ordained laws, they NEED to be implemented

[Skoda130]

"Can Secularism produce peace and prosperity?" Yes, and it does. Secularism means freedom of expression, creativity, and therefore inventiveness and in the end modernity. On the opposite side is the ideological/religious state, which determines for others what "thruth" is, and tells everyone what can and can't be said or invented. As soon as a country loses ít's secularity, (and in some cases it's oil) it will lose it's importance.

[FreeThyMind]

not that you need my encouragement, but keep it up Abdullah, I really do enjoy your debates. Oh and I'm curious as to what happened to your Islamic rationalism website, I can't seem to find it anymore and I loved reading the stuff on it from time to time.

[MerveYoungki]

As a roman catholic living in an Islamic country....I feel more at peace and comfortable my children will be good people living here than any secular country.

[DawahAlamin]

@MerveYoungki

Alhamdulilah. May Allah open your heart to Islam

[MatrixOfDynamism]

the elder does not seem to be able to comprehend the more than a 1000 years of islamic Scholarship "what Islam is and what Islam is not", he does not seem to know the basic idea that Qur'an and Hadith is what form "Islam" not the actions of Zardari or the Taliban or even the Saudi King for that matter.

[AltiarTheGreat]

Sorry but the "secularist" is an idiot

[MatrixOfDynamism]

@AltiarTheGreat he is using emotions more than sound reason.

[MatrixOfDynamism]

I am sure that a better person could have come here for the secular side. The indian elder is not coherent with his own statements.

[mujtahid2006]

@MatrixOfDynamism

The show's organisers requested a good speaker from the UK's National Secular Society - they sent Suran. What can you do? :)

[MatrixOfDynamism]

@mujtahid2006 by the way I have seen that most of the speaker (especially christians) simply ignore all that we are saying and only pedal their views regardless of what we are stating. Like this guy, enough explaination has been given to him to show the problem with Secularism but even than he sticks to the same points that he has set his mind on. He was really caught in the question about France for example. Are athiests like this too? I mean those that you have debated.

[muslim9x9x]

who is this annoying moron?

[mujtahid2006]

@muslim9x9x

His name is Suran Lal - a member of National Secular Society.

[ShieldOfIslam]

pwned