I don't understand why people are scolded for voting for Nader in 2000. People wanted real change and they made it clear. Yet its pathetic that his loss has been spun into lines favoring the status quo like "a third party splits the vote" or "you should vote for the lesser of two evils" really translate to "don't vote like that ever again because your desire for actual change is not tolerated."
The majority must wake up; their routine voting for the two incumbent parties is destroying us all.
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Do not need Ralph for President, however the man's views on the Patriot Act, NDAA, and War, is absolutely right, the higher up you go in Politics the less likely it will be that you will be held accountable for anything. Bush, Obama, Cheney, Kissinger all of them have indeed committed impeachable offenses, but they are too big too fail. Some of these people are actually wanted for murder in some countries, yet we allow them to write books make speeches and get rich doing it.
@ReliableInsider Nader was successfully blacked out from the media and the debates yet he was still the deciding factor is your argument, right? Well that still speaks more to Gore's ineptitude during that campaign. if he couldn't win with that unfair advantage, he didn't deserve it.
@ReliableInsider Wrongo bongo.... first of all, the margin shouldn't have been that close even with Nader in the race. Gore's FIRST mistake was excluding Clinton from the campaign and then he topped that off with weekly identity changes and weak debate performances (where Nader wasn't even present). Gore only has himself to blame for that horrible outcome!
im so glad i voted for this man in 2000. its too bad people threw their vote away on al gore sore loser and then threw our country away with george w bullshit, when they could have voted for a patriot like i did.
the republican party has become a magnet for corporations seeking power over the people, while for democrats it is a magnet for human rights issues, while this paradigm holds true i will vote democrat and stay left, because its right.
We know the problems with proabition but people think that we have the authority from God to punish people for making and being responsible for their own actions.
The lady that likes Romney.... obliviouse to what liberty is. Untill the country can prevent the Federal Government from taking our civil liberties, and give all of them back the president can continue to run roughshot over states and every citizen. Take the war on drugs, when you hold your opinions to everyone elses and make it federal law it opens the pandoras box , thats how the two party system ties people down and runs their live regaurdless of how bad drugs can be we know the problems.
We blew it with Nadar, let's not blow it with Paul.
While we don't agree with all of Ron Paul's platform, we can all agree that the wars must end.
I feel it is our moral obligation to see to it that we do what ever we can to end the suffering that we perpetuate with our current foreign policy. End The Wars! Ron Paul 2012!
@ArtetlaMusique87 : LOL!!! This is hilarious. You do realize the birther movement was also started by the lefties (aka, PUMA) or do you also claim that is a conspiracy theory?
It's so fun watching clueless the lefties coming out denying neocon's lefty/trotsky lineage because it doesn't fit their relentless propaganda.
*Wah* *wah* neocons are not lefties. We lefties are smart *wah*
Ralph Nader understands the constitution as well as anyone in the race. He wrote an article about NDAA--google "Congressional Tyranny, White House Surrender" by Ralph Nader. To get my vote it would take Nader running mostly because i want to see Ron Paul's day one in the White House. If this race ever turned into a four man race Nader might win. Both Nader and Paul would have a lot of crossover votes as well as independence's.
@deadrepublicantv Paul has been a critic of the Supreme Court's Lawrence v. Texas decision, in which sodomy laws were ruled unconstitutional under the Fourteenth Amendment. In an essay posted to the Lew Rockwell website, he stated his opposition to what he called ridiculous sodomy laws, but expressed his fear that federal courts were grossly violating their role of strictly interpreting the Constitution
To the lady who said Ron Paul would end Social Security is reading misinformation. Ron Paul has stated numerous times that he would not cut Social Security. He has however stated that he would like to give Americans the option to "Opt Out" (He would also do this to Obama Care). He wants the American People to Always have a choice to "Opt Out" of any service the Government try's to impose on the American People.
Also, Ron Paul Never Voted for the Patriot Act and he has been one of the Leading V
@ToeInspector : false choice. Nobody cares about your buttfucking. Don't go around telling that your federal gov't can make arbitrary laws and overrule state laws.
@505alicious I voted for him in 2008 and will again in 2012. Obama blocks my vote due to his disdain for church and state separation in supporting faith-based initiatives and Biden's intolerance to gay marriage. And I won't even get into the disgrace from every Republican candidate (Ron Paul being the one I hate least as he has accurate views on foreign relations, but his economic anarchism is already a proven disaster and harmful to the U.S.) Nader was a natural choice and will be again.
The Patriot Act, being anything other than patriotic, marks the beginning of the Federal Police State. How this EMERGENCY POWER brought in to fight "Terrorists", can stand, for ten years, shows that OUR GOVERNMENT is following the example of Mubarak's Egypt and Assad's Syria, both countries which kept EMERGENCY POWERS active for decades and used them to abuse their citizens. WAKE THE FUCK UP AMERICA!!!!
@ArtetlaMusique87 What you are saying would be correct if you believe in the left - right spectrum. However, I reject that and prefer to use the Nolan Chart. And while Bush and his cronies were definitely social conservatives, their domestic policies were very economically liberal. Both Bush and Obama are statists and imperialists as far as I am concerned.
@frionelhero You're not seeing the big picture: If you concede that Bush & Obama are imperialists, then you must agree so were their predecessors: Clinton, Reagan, Nixon, Johnson & Eisenhower. If you concede that then you must agree that capitalism itself is inherently imperialistic, no matter how much you dislike the idea. These presidents were just following the orders of the elites who created these crises. End capitalism as we know it and you end the imperialism you seem to abhor.
@gnomechomskylives capitalism can be a form of financial imperialism in its current unchecked form , but you will always have people happy to put others down in order to get a leg up , hence imperialistic capitalism thrives ,for someone to be rich someone must be poor , how do you fix that in a world where most would be rich above all else ?
@woofalot13 The more people that have money, the more people can consume, the more people that consume the better for the business owners, so I don't see "to be rich someone must be poor" as correct and also define poor, cuse it's different for different people.
@trapedd Poor you know no food no warmth struggling to survive ,look history shows us the west has been rich of the backs of all of the other poorer nations in almost all situations ,threre has to be someone working hard for nothing ,for someone to be able to work for vast un'needed sums of money ,i'm not anti capitalist infact i'm quite the opposite but i think the present incarnation is perverse in many ways and the some of the so called truisms of capitalism are fatal'y flawed .
@gnomechomskylives I agree that all Presidents have been imperialist in one way or another. The only true exception to that would be Grover Cleveland, a Democrat. However, I must take issue with you claiming that the problem is Capitalism. I must remind you that when corporations collude with government you have corporatism, or fascism. Capitalism is the absence of government involvement in the free market. Thus corporations wouldn't be able to use government power.
@frionelhero I understand your qualms. I believe "small town" capitalism is good and equitable. Unfortunately at larger scales capitalism and corporatism have become almost indistinguishable and not just because of the historical links between big business & government but because any suggestion (let alone attempts) to amend the system is immediately and vociferously denounced as totalitarian socialism not just by the talking heads but by the legions of "patriots" who have bought into this idea.
@frionelhero I'm with Nader: we need to roll back corporate charters to their original function, end corporate personhood and - I'll add - have a constitutional amendment to establish a wall of separation between corporation and state.
@ArtetlaMusique87 You're responding to the wrong person saying I said the Neocons took over during LBJ. I did say the Neocons took over "Mostly" in the Bush administration. Maybe you should spend your time watching that documentary
"The power of nightmares" and then you will have a better grasp of what I'm trying to tell you.
So apparently you are now doing a 180 and acknowledging that the necons were born out of the left. Don't let a little thing like your ego get in the way of admitting that you were wrong.
Your reading comprehension needs a lot of work. Both I and the Wiki write up said that "the necons were BORN out of the far left and the Democratic party". What you can't grasp is the difference between being "born out of" and "being".
Bush was a dupe for the necons. He wasn't smart enough to orchestrate anything. All he had was the connections and a vague idea of what sells to a people who think the media has credibility.
You are getting schooled on this thread and don't even know it yet. Like I said, do the research or keep proving yourself to be a reactionary ignoramus.
@ArtetlaMusique87 You can learn the history of Neoconservatism by watching the Documentary here on Youtube called "The power of nightmares" You will find Neocons are actually far leftists that took control mostly in the Bush era.
Based on your comment to me I would bet that you don't even know that the neoconservatives were born out of the left and the Democratic party of the LBJ era. You might want to do some research before you start running your mouth again.
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Actually, Gore got half a million votes more than Bush did. Bush's victory is the one thing Nadir seems to be reluctant to take credit for, but history would have been very different if Nadir had rejected Republican help and just stayed home.
Nader is a progressive. Remember that it is progressives in both parties that are largely responsible for the downfall of this nation over the course of the last 100 years. Progressives inherently strongly dislike our constitutional principles. They give lip service to them but at every opportunity they gut the constitution.
The neoconservatives and the progressives are largely the same in their willingness to rule by whimsy and whatever feels good to them.
@kmg501 Yep. Keynesian Liberals in both wings have piloted this plane right off the map into a mountain of debt, get your parachutes ready, or do as most seem to want and hope your pilot wakes up before they destroy themselves too.
@kmg501 It's apparent you have bought into the mythos fabricated by the right wing. By your own definition: Washington, Jefferson and Adams (for starters) would be considered progressives. All of them supported measures that -if held to the same standards- one must conclude they were left wing big government statists. Washington's support for a central bank, Jefferson's support for public postal/press/educational subsidies and Adams signed the 1798 law that mandated healthcare for sailors.
Apparently you don't know the difference between socialism and some public infrastructure, or you deliberately want to confuse the two like many contemporary socialists. As for "mythos", the history of neoconservatives is very well established. The merchant marines of the day were considered of quasi government status.
@kmg501 "you don't know the difference between socialism and some public infrastructure" a false distinction brought about by your untenable, absolutist ideology that has no historical precedence or evidence to back it up. The 1798 healthcare law goes way beyond public infrastructure; postal and press subsidies are at their heart wealth redistribution. Just face it, The Founders were statists who believed in using democratic institutions for the common good.
You're a laughably transparent socialist using Noam Chomski type of tactics of linguistic manipulation to rewrite history. I've seen a lot of your type in the last few years. Your style is hackneyed because so many leftists use it these days.
@tooltalk Who do you think you're fooling? I'm not saying Ron Paul is racist but you're not as clever as you think. The keyword there is "federal regulation." But If states want to become apartheid states like they were from 1870 - 1960, he would not bat an eyelash. So while Paul is not racist, racists sure DO love Ron Paul (and his son). And in doing so it would be immoral to support a position that aids and abets the enemies of freedom.
@gnomechomskylives : typical left bullshit. 1) Yes, the keyword here is "federal regulation" - we do not want the federal gov't to prohibit (social conservatives) or subsidize (liberals) at wholesale level. If you don't like it (or promote it), you do it at local level - don't pretend that your value is always right and superior that it needs to be imposed at federal level.
2) Hitler was a vegetarian, does that make vegetarianism bad? How about Louise Farahkan who support Ron Paul? It would be
@gnomechomskylives : How about the fact that Paul supported the WTC Mosque? Does it make Muslims immoral because Ron Paul whom you consider aiding and abetting the enemies of freedom defended their property rights & freedom to practice religion of their choosing at private and public space?
Do you seriously think you are going to win hearts and minds with your glowing 3rd grader reasoning?
Where Ron Paul disgrees with Nader on social security and health coverage is he doesn't think the federal government does a better job than the people would managing their own policies and retirement plans.I agree with Dr.Paul.The government will always mismanage your money.
@ToeInspector Obviously, you haven't read "Liberty Defined". Liberty is the direct opposite of fascism, he voted AGAINST the Patriot Act, he's against the NDAA, and he's against the wars. That's some fascist!
BTW: ToeInspector, do a google search for George Bernard Shaw's friendship with Adolf Hitler, and his ideas about what to do with "undesirables". Shaw even gave Hitler the idea to use gas chambers to exterminate people decades before he did it.
@TryYellowSnowCone nonsense, you got that from a heavily biased source, and if you want to get really technical the idea of extermination came from the US as that was the stronghold of eugenics until the early 1970s.
@TheEmptyHunter A heavily biased source? You mean actual videos of him talking about it? There are videos of Shaw talking about Hitler as a very nice man who he was good friends with, and other videos of him talking about gassing the unfit to death. These are actual videos.
@TryYellowSnowCone One google search comes up with alex jones and "the soviet story" , i've seen that documentary and while GBS talked about eugenics extensively, it was often satirical, and much earlier than the Nazi's rose to prominence. Hitler and GBS were on complete opposites of the ideological spectrum.
@TheEmptyHunter Again, as I said, Shaw has videos of him saying that stuff. I didn't even know who he was until I saw them. I think that Shaw was against doing it on racial grounds, but he was fully in favor of gassing who he deemed to be 'unfit' to death, and he did quite like Hitler.
@TryYellowSnowCone and how is that relevant to today's progressive movement? They aren't now, so what relevance does it have? I could say that the conservative movement was pro slavery and genocide, but what positions they held in the past have no real relevance to what they advocate now.
@TheEmptyHunter The average progressive isn't, but some of their leaders are, even though they try to hide it. I mean, 50% of black babies are aborted before they are born. You're telling me that's a pro black policy?
@TryYellowSnowCone No,that is a Christian Based initiative, government run, form of extermination and psycological warfare that is being committed against the black community in America.It has nothing to do with republican or democrat,and everything to do with Corporations and Religion.
@TryYellowSnowCone It would be disingenuous to twist that statistic to support your craziness. How is the progressive movement responsible for abortion? It's a personal choice down to the person, often the only coercion is from pro-life people. That statistic is nonsense anyway, but even so, the system is designed to keep black people in poverty. Take off the tin foil hat and think rationally please.
@ToeInspector Kind of like those pesky Jews, right? Good thing God will smite them for the "liars" that they are, right? "I said you would be judged because you desribed yourself as a "jew" -ToeInspector
BTW, ToeInspector, do a search on wikipedia for the term "root race". In it you will find the theories that inspired Hitler's obsession with the Aryan master race, written in the 1800s by a Russian occultist writer whom he was a big fan of.
@ToeInspector Well, that's largely relative. If your hand was broken, which one would you be begging me for? If you had a major burn, which one would you then be begging me for?
@BadSwineDOTcom Hey, I got him to destroy himself, so it was hella worth it. This guy actually came out and said that God will judge the Jewish people, claimed that all Jews are liars for claiming they are an ethnic group, and so on. It's beautiful to see a guy like that fall on his own face with no outside help. :D
@TryYellowSnowCone I did not tsay that,I said YOU would be judged by YOUR God as you described yourself as a "Jew" a Religion.You are one truly paranoid religious fascist,Hitler would be proud.
@ToeInspector My God, your God, is all the same paper we're writing this stuff on. . .well, technically, it was animal skins back then, but you get the point. I'm certainly not shaking in my boots. Hurry hurry! You'll be late for the cross burning! You'll have great tales to tell of your daily condemnation of the Jewish people as frauds and liars. They'll give you a nice merit badge for your efforts for Der Furher.
"I said none of those things,I said you would be judged because you desribed yourself as a "jew"" - ToeInspector <------ That says all we need to know, folks.
@ToeInspector Later, enjoy the cross burning tonight. Make sure to tell the Grand Wizard your encounter with a Jew today and how you spread the message of the White Protestent God's smoting of that terrible "Jew rat" that I certainly am! (hahaha you brought on your own anti-Semetic self, you jerkoff).
@sevinPackage Kill the 17th/16th and 14th amendments along with the Articles of Incorporation. Eliminate the UNITED STATES (CORPORATE) from existence along with and an amendment to FORBID ANY participant in U.S. government to be members of "think tanks" like the CFR/Bilderberg/TC AND for imprisonment of ANY representatives or foreign banks trying to do business in the U.S. As it stands, anyone coming into this country from the IMF/WB/IBS should be detained for treason on the spot.
I am amazed at the people who are willing to comment without research. The American people need to spend a great deal more time focusing on whether they will enjoy the bread and circuses of reality show train wrecks or control their government so they don't end up eating grass to fill their hungry bellies. The destruction of the Dollar is going to make it so that Social Security is meaningless. What good is it to receive a couple thousand dollars a month if a loaf of bread costs 100$. THINK.
@RonPaulSwede Obama has no brain. He has strings attached to Ben Bernanke, Tim Geithner and Christine Lagarde's (the IMF chief) grubby little dyke hands.
@ToeInspector Explain little missy, or stop throwing accusations you can't back. You have no credibility and you need to just leave. You've embarrassed yourself enough already. Now we're all just LAUGHING at you. You get it? NO ONE believes you. EVERYONE knows you are a worthless troll. Just pointing out the obvious.
Aww...look at toeinspector...he's trying to run off all the comments calling his shill ass out and he was COMPLETELY discredited. Are you STILL a dual citizen of Canada and the U.S. as you told us before??? LOL
Loss of citizenship (INA § 349, 8 USC § 1481) Section 349 of the INA [8 USC § 1481] specifies several conditions under which US citizenship may be lost. These include: becoming a naturalized citizen of another country, or declaring allegiance to another country, after reaching age 18;
@ToeInspector Actually, property rights, if properly enforced cover the destruction of health and third party property. For example, the BP spill was a massive property rights violation, and if we took property rights seriously in this country, you would have likely seen jail sentences.
I don't understand why people are scolded for voting for Nader in 2000. People wanted real change and they made it clear. Yet its pathetic that his loss has been spun into lines favoring the status quo like "a third party splits the vote" or "you should vote for the lesser of two evils" really translate to "don't vote like that ever again because your desire for actual change is not tolerated."
The majority must wake up; their routine voting for the two incumbent parties is destroying us all.
MrEniena 2 weeks ago
They should have a Paul/Nader/Perot ticket...lol Paul's republicans Nader's Democrats and Perot's money. Thats a winning combo.
bkl139 2 weeks ago
I voted for him in 2000 and I have no regrets about it.
Alpha1Papa 1 month ago
Super PACs are detonators of Democracy!
arosier2 1 month ago
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Run third party you'd a plenty of support and shake up the two party dictatorship
acehole7 1 month ago
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ronpaul2012hope 1 month ago
I know who I'd vote for if I was American and if Ralph Nader would run again.
schwalbera 1 month ago
its all a fix- the demos are as bad- if not worse than the republicans. only hope is that more people go independent and turn on these fascists!
TheMasterofrevenge 1 month ago
The caller who says Obama has flip flopped on "Everything he said in '08" likes Mitt Romney. facepalm!
ekras01 2 months ago
Do not need Ralph for President, however the man's views on the Patriot Act, NDAA, and War, is absolutely right, the higher up you go in Politics the less likely it will be that you will be held accountable for anything. Bush, Obama, Cheney, Kissinger all of them have indeed committed impeachable offenses, but they are too big too fail. Some of these people are actually wanted for murder in some countries, yet we allow them to write books make speeches and get rich doing it.
4390100 2 months ago 3
Noting on NDAA ? This looks recent. Can't believe it.
Nickalispicalis 2 months ago
@ReliableInsider Nader was successfully blacked out from the media and the debates yet he was still the deciding factor is your argument, right? Well that still speaks more to Gore's ineptitude during that campaign. if he couldn't win with that unfair advantage, he didn't deserve it.
frankz00 2 months ago
@dontfwithme2010 agreed! a vote on principle is NEVER a wasted vote! Considering we didn't get a Leiberman as VP, I'm kind of relieved Gore lost!
frankz00 2 months ago
@ReliableInsider Wrongo bongo.... first of all, the margin shouldn't have been that close even with Nader in the race. Gore's FIRST mistake was excluding Clinton from the campaign and then he topped that off with weekly identity changes and weak debate performances (where Nader wasn't even present). Gore only has himself to blame for that horrible outcome!
frankz00 2 months ago
@frankz00
But it was that close. It was close enough that Nadir was able to get Bush elected.
That one move undid everything Nadir accomplished in a long lifetime.
As Perry would say, "Oops."
ReliableInsider 2 months ago
im so glad i voted for this man in 2000. its too bad people threw their vote away on al gore sore loser and then threw our country away with george w bullshit, when they could have voted for a patriot like i did.
dontfwithme2010 2 months ago
Wow, c-span needs to cut the host's mike while his guest speaks so we don't have to listen to his annoying agreement noises and throat clearing.
TheRealNotary 2 months ago
the republican party has become a magnet for corporations seeking power over the people, while for democrats it is a magnet for human rights issues, while this paradigm holds true i will vote democrat and stay left, because its right.
vengencefrom1979 2 months ago in playlist News 63!
We know the problems with proabition but people think that we have the authority from God to punish people for making and being responsible for their own actions.
pstew0809 2 months ago
The lady that likes Romney.... obliviouse to what liberty is. Untill the country can prevent the Federal Government from taking our civil liberties, and give all of them back the president can continue to run roughshot over states and every citizen. Take the war on drugs, when you hold your opinions to everyone elses and make it federal law it opens the pandoras box , thats how the two party system ties people down and runs their live regaurdless of how bad drugs can be we know the problems.
pstew0809 2 months ago
RON PAUL 2012!!!!!!
babyfister5000 2 months ago
We blew it with Nadar, let's not blow it with Paul.
While we don't agree with all of Ron Paul's platform, we can all agree that the wars must end.
I feel it is our moral obligation to see to it that we do what ever we can to end the suffering that we perpetuate with our current foreign policy. End The Wars! Ron Paul 2012!
joelovesyou 2 months ago
@ArtetlaMusique87 : LOL!!! This is hilarious. You do realize the birther movement was also started by the lefties (aka, PUMA) or do you also claim that is a conspiracy theory?
It's so fun watching clueless the lefties coming out denying neocon's lefty/trotsky lineage because it doesn't fit their relentless propaganda.
*Wah* *wah* neocons are not lefties. We lefties are smart *wah*
tooltalk 2 months ago
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Ron Paul stands for your rights! but not those other Americans who are different from us! weehoo!
ToeInspector 2 months ago
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CNN & US soldier cut - off video :
1. A video of US soldier expressing support for Ron Paul was cut - off when he mentions Israel.
2. The reporter was Ms Dana Bash, a Jew.
3. The other CNN repoter, Wolf Blitzer is Jew
4. The cut - off was deliberate.
Stevie68000 2 months ago
Ralph Nader understands the constitution as well as anyone in the race. He wrote an article about NDAA--google "Congressional Tyranny, White House Surrender" by Ralph Nader. To get my vote it would take Nader running mostly because i want to see Ron Paul's day one in the White House. If this race ever turned into a four man race Nader might win. Both Nader and Paul would have a lot of crossover votes as well as independence's.
BrianDaleBarnett 2 months ago
@ToeInspector Lie. Ron Paul wants the government out of the bedroom. I'm supporting Ron Paul this time but I've voted for Nader in the past...
deadrepublicantv 2 months ago
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@deadrepublicantv Paul has been a critic of the Supreme Court's Lawrence v. Texas decision, in which sodomy laws were ruled unconstitutional under the Fourteenth Amendment. In an essay posted to the Lew Rockwell website, he stated his opposition to what he called ridiculous sodomy laws, but expressed his fear that federal courts were grossly violating their role of strictly interpreting the Constitution
ToeInspector 2 months ago
@ToeInspector : Duh! Ron Paul is against the federal regulation of sexuality. You could do whatever the fuck you want to at local level.
tooltalk 2 months ago
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@deadrepublicantv Ron Paul supports government regualtion of sexuality---but only on the local level,so thats ok.Fuck off.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
One caller hates how Obama flip-flops, but she's going to vote for Romney - because it's his time. LOL!
manmadesounds 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
Ralph Nader is a statist bitch!
TakisAthensGr 2 months ago
To the lady who said Ron Paul would end Social Security is reading misinformation. Ron Paul has stated numerous times that he would not cut Social Security. He has however stated that he would like to give Americans the option to "Opt Out" (He would also do this to Obama Care). He wants the American People to Always have a choice to "Opt Out" of any service the Government try's to impose on the American People.
Also, Ron Paul Never Voted for the Patriot Act and he has been one of the Leading V
KomaKazii 2 months ago
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@KomaKazii Ron Paul wants to ban buttsex.nuff said.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
@ToeInspector : false choice. Nobody cares about your buttfucking. Don't go around telling that your federal gov't can make arbitrary laws and overrule state laws.
tooltalk 2 months ago
"Americans used to roar like lions for liberty;
now we bleat like sheep for security."
- Norman Vincent Peale
Tressco 2 months ago
My apologies to Ralph Nader, for not voting for him in the past.
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@505alicious I voted for him in 2008 and will again in 2012. Obama blocks my vote due to his disdain for church and state separation in supporting faith-based initiatives and Biden's intolerance to gay marriage. And I won't even get into the disgrace from every Republican candidate (Ron Paul being the one I hate least as he has accurate views on foreign relations, but his economic anarchism is already a proven disaster and harmful to the U.S.) Nader was a natural choice and will be again.
HowardVAgnew 1 week ago
The Patriot Act, being anything other than patriotic, marks the beginning of the Federal Police State. How this EMERGENCY POWER brought in to fight "Terrorists", can stand, for ten years, shows that OUR GOVERNMENT is following the example of Mubarak's Egypt and Assad's Syria, both countries which kept EMERGENCY POWERS active for decades and used them to abuse their citizens. WAKE THE FUCK UP AMERICA!!!!
burgundypoint 2 months ago 19
@ArtetlaMusique87 Thank you :)
gnomechomskylives 2 months ago
@ArtetlaMusique87 What you are saying would be correct if you believe in the left - right spectrum. However, I reject that and prefer to use the Nolan Chart. And while Bush and his cronies were definitely social conservatives, their domestic policies were very economically liberal. Both Bush and Obama are statists and imperialists as far as I am concerned.
frionelhero 2 months ago
@frionelhero You're not seeing the big picture: If you concede that Bush & Obama are imperialists, then you must agree so were their predecessors: Clinton, Reagan, Nixon, Johnson & Eisenhower. If you concede that then you must agree that capitalism itself is inherently imperialistic, no matter how much you dislike the idea. These presidents were just following the orders of the elites who created these crises. End capitalism as we know it and you end the imperialism you seem to abhor.
gnomechomskylives 2 months ago 7
@gnomechomskylives capitalism can be a form of financial imperialism in its current unchecked form , but you will always have people happy to put others down in order to get a leg up , hence imperialistic capitalism thrives ,for someone to be rich someone must be poor , how do you fix that in a world where most would be rich above all else ?
woofalot13 2 months ago
@woofalot13 The more people that have money, the more people can consume, the more people that consume the better for the business owners, so I don't see "to be rich someone must be poor" as correct and also define poor, cuse it's different for different people.
trapedd 2 months ago
@trapedd Poor you know no food no warmth struggling to survive ,look history shows us the west has been rich of the backs of all of the other poorer nations in almost all situations ,threre has to be someone working hard for nothing ,for someone to be able to work for vast un'needed sums of money ,i'm not anti capitalist infact i'm quite the opposite but i think the present incarnation is perverse in many ways and the some of the so called truisms of capitalism are fatal'y flawed .
woofalot13 2 months ago
@woofalot13 Yeah, I see what you mean
trapedd 2 months ago
@gnomechomskylives I agree that all Presidents have been imperialist in one way or another. The only true exception to that would be Grover Cleveland, a Democrat. However, I must take issue with you claiming that the problem is Capitalism. I must remind you that when corporations collude with government you have corporatism, or fascism. Capitalism is the absence of government involvement in the free market. Thus corporations wouldn't be able to use government power.
frionelhero 2 months ago
@frionelhero I understand your qualms. I believe "small town" capitalism is good and equitable. Unfortunately at larger scales capitalism and corporatism have become almost indistinguishable and not just because of the historical links between big business & government but because any suggestion (let alone attempts) to amend the system is immediately and vociferously denounced as totalitarian socialism not just by the talking heads but by the legions of "patriots" who have bought into this idea.
gnomechomskylives 2 months ago
@frionelhero I'm with Nader: we need to roll back corporate charters to their original function, end corporate personhood and - I'll add - have a constitutional amendment to establish a wall of separation between corporation and state.
gnomechomskylives 2 months ago 2
wow ten years to realise what the rest of the world already knew. obama was americas biggest hoax ever. he's worse than bush
fuzzjunky 2 months ago
@ArtetlaMusique87 Watch that Doc it's really good.
PalmTrall 2 months ago
@ArtetlaMusique87 You're responding to the wrong person saying I said the Neocons took over during LBJ. I did say the Neocons took over "Mostly" in the Bush administration. Maybe you should spend your time watching that documentary
"The power of nightmares" and then you will have a better grasp of what I'm trying to tell you.
PalmTrall 2 months ago
@ArtetlaMusique87
So apparently you are now doing a 180 and acknowledging that the necons were born out of the left. Don't let a little thing like your ego get in the way of admitting that you were wrong.
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kmg501 2 months ago
@ArtetlaMusique87
Your reading comprehension needs a lot of work. Both I and the Wiki write up said that "the necons were BORN out of the far left and the Democratic party". What you can't grasp is the difference between being "born out of" and "being".
Bush was a dupe for the necons. He wasn't smart enough to orchestrate anything. All he had was the connections and a vague idea of what sells to a people who think the media has credibility.
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kmg501 2 months ago
@ArtetlaMusique87 Your right, but it is true that neoconservatives are former liberals. neoconservatives are not the same as regular conservatives.
frionelhero 2 months ago
@ArtetlaMusique87 said: "Sorry pal, I know my countries history, thank you very much."
Apparently you don't. Pal.
en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Neoconservative
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kmg501 2 months ago
Curious he didn't mention Ron Paul when the appeared Judge Nap's show a couple of months ago in agreement...
frankz00 2 months ago
@ArtetlaMusique87
You are getting schooled on this thread and don't even know it yet. Like I said, do the research or keep proving yourself to be a reactionary ignoramus.
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kmg501 2 months ago
@ArtetlaMusique87 You can learn the history of Neoconservatism by watching the Documentary here on Youtube called "The power of nightmares" You will find Neocons are actually far leftists that took control mostly in the Bush era.
PalmTrall 2 months ago
@ArtetlaMusique87
Based on your comment to me I would bet that you don't even know that the neoconservatives were born out of the left and the Democratic party of the LBJ era. You might want to do some research before you start running your mouth again.
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kmg501 2 months ago
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my thoughts exactly verbalmilitia tv and you are very right on the thoughts i have been following on ron paul you have broadcasted on your channel and i think it is great now !LIVESTREAM. COM/VERBALMILITIATV Taking Action Online as a Group.
noblsht 2 months ago
RON PAUL R3VOLUTION 2012....BRING THE TROOPS HOME, STOP NATION BUILDING, RESTORE THE CONSTITUTION AND REBUILD AMERICA!!!
watertonrivers 2 months ago
@mistermassive1 - What are they posting? I don't see it?
spamllpitdept 2 months ago
Ron Paul is not in the 1% retard.
Haaraack 2 months ago
@Haaraack Yes, he is. The dude has millions of dollars.
TheEmptyHunter 2 months ago
The man who singlehandedly got George W. Bush elected.
ReliableInsider 2 months ago
@ReliableInsider No way. Gore screwed that up on his own.
frankz00 2 months ago
@frankz00
Actually, Gore got half a million votes more than Bush did. Bush's victory is the one thing Nadir seems to be reluctant to take credit for, but history would have been very different if Nadir had rejected Republican help and just stayed home.
ReliableInsider 2 months ago
nader is a sack of shit just like the neocons
natritious1 2 months ago
Nader is a progressive. Remember that it is progressives in both parties that are largely responsible for the downfall of this nation over the course of the last 100 years. Progressives inherently strongly dislike our constitutional principles. They give lip service to them but at every opportunity they gut the constitution.
The neoconservatives and the progressives are largely the same in their willingness to rule by whimsy and whatever feels good to them.
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kmg501 2 months ago
@kmg501 Good thing there are no real progressives in American politics, eh?
deejayalemus 2 months ago
@kmg501 Yep. Keynesian Liberals in both wings have piloted this plane right off the map into a mountain of debt, get your parachutes ready, or do as most seem to want and hope your pilot wakes up before they destroy themselves too.
econogate 2 months ago
@kmg501 It's apparent you have bought into the mythos fabricated by the right wing. By your own definition: Washington, Jefferson and Adams (for starters) would be considered progressives. All of them supported measures that -if held to the same standards- one must conclude they were left wing big government statists. Washington's support for a central bank, Jefferson's support for public postal/press/educational subsidies and Adams signed the 1798 law that mandated healthcare for sailors.
gnomechomskylives 2 months ago 3
@gnomechomskylives
Apparently you don't know the difference between socialism and some public infrastructure, or you deliberately want to confuse the two like many contemporary socialists. As for "mythos", the history of neoconservatives is very well established. The merchant marines of the day were considered of quasi government status.
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kmg501 2 months ago
@kmg501 "you don't know the difference between socialism and some public infrastructure" a false distinction brought about by your untenable, absolutist ideology that has no historical precedence or evidence to back it up. The 1798 healthcare law goes way beyond public infrastructure; postal and press subsidies are at their heart wealth redistribution. Just face it, The Founders were statists who believed in using democratic institutions for the common good.
gnomechomskylives 2 months ago
@gnomechomskylives
You're a laughably transparent socialist using Noam Chomski type of tactics of linguistic manipulation to rewrite history. I've seen a lot of your type in the last few years. Your style is hackneyed because so many leftists use it these days.
Get a new shtick.
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kmg501 2 months ago
@kmg501
I call bullshit.
fonkymaster 2 months ago
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Ron Paul is a religious fascist.
Ron paul supports government regulation of sexuality.
Ron Paul wants to abolish the EPA.
Ron Paul is a racist.
ameenmutha 2 months ago
@ameenmutha :
Paul is one of the few came out in defense the WTC Mosque.
Paul doesn't support any federal regulation of sexuality.
EPA? DoEdu? DoI? DoEnergy? F'em all
Progressives are race-baiters.
tooltalk 2 months ago
@tooltalk Who do you think you're fooling? I'm not saying Ron Paul is racist but you're not as clever as you think. The keyword there is "federal regulation." But If states want to become apartheid states like they were from 1870 - 1960, he would not bat an eyelash. So while Paul is not racist, racists sure DO love Ron Paul (and his son). And in doing so it would be immoral to support a position that aids and abets the enemies of freedom.
gnomechomskylives 2 months ago
@gnomechomskylives : typical left bullshit. 1) Yes, the keyword here is "federal regulation" - we do not want the federal gov't to prohibit (social conservatives) or subsidize (liberals) at wholesale level. If you don't like it (or promote it), you do it at local level - don't pretend that your value is always right and superior that it needs to be imposed at federal level.
2) Hitler was a vegetarian, does that make vegetarianism bad? How about Louise Farahkan who support Ron Paul? It would be
tooltalk 2 months ago
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@tooltalk 1)There are no liberals in America,only centerists and fascists.2)Ron Paul is the 1%
ToeInspector 2 months ago
@gnomechomskylives : How about the fact that Paul supported the WTC Mosque? Does it make Muslims immoral because Ron Paul whom you consider aiding and abetting the enemies of freedom defended their property rights & freedom to practice religion of their choosing at private and public space?
Do you seriously think you are going to win hearts and minds with your glowing 3rd grader reasoning?
tooltalk 2 months ago
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Where Ron Paul disgrees with Nader on social security and health coverage is he doesn't think the federal government does a better job than the people would managing their own policies and retirement plans.I agree with Dr.Paul.The government will always mismanage your money.
EDTHEWATERGUY 2 months ago 2
Ron paul is the 1%
ToeInspector 2 months ago
@ToeInspector : if Ron Paul is the 1%, Nader is 0.5%
tooltalk 2 months ago
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EDTHEWATERGUY 2 months ago
Rick Santorum saw this vid and disliked it :3
ShaktipatSeer2 2 months ago
If he thinks the PATRIOT Act is bad, wait till he finds about about NDAA. He's going to go apeshit.
jawayetti 2 months ago 34
@jawayetti
He actually mentions that at 14:10
phroztbyt3 2 months ago
@jawayetti I think he referenced it at about 14:00, but I realize you were probably being sarcastic haha ;)
CamsLiveVideo 2 months ago
@jawayetti I bust out laughing when I read this! It's all I can do I guess...
frankz00 2 months ago
I suggest you all brush up on your history: "Coal wars" & "Whiskey Rebellion".
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 months ago
Ron Paul is a religious fascist.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
@ToeInspector Obviously, you haven't read "Liberty Defined". Liberty is the direct opposite of fascism, he voted AGAINST the Patriot Act, he's against the NDAA, and he's against the wars. That's some fascist!
frankz00 2 months ago
Israel is a terrorist state.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
Zionism is Nazism.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
To debate a liar is to give creedence to their lies."~
ToeInspector 2 months ago
@ToeInspector ToeInspector doesn't want to debate Jews, they are all "liars" and are going to be "judged". Toe: Do you belong to the Aryan Nation?
TryYellowSnowCone 2 months ago
@TryYellowSnowCone oh poor you,
lieing liar is a frauding fraudster.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
BTW: ToeInspector, do a google search for George Bernard Shaw's friendship with Adolf Hitler, and his ideas about what to do with "undesirables". Shaw even gave Hitler the idea to use gas chambers to exterminate people decades before he did it.
TryYellowSnowCone 2 months ago
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@TryYellowSnowCone Ron Paul is a religious fascist.
Ron paul supports government regulation of sexuality.
Ron Paul wants to abolish the EPA.
Ron Paul is a big oil Republican.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
@TryYellowSnowCone nonsense, you got that from a heavily biased source, and if you want to get really technical the idea of extermination came from the US as that was the stronghold of eugenics until the early 1970s.
TheEmptyHunter 2 months ago
@TheEmptyHunter A heavily biased source? You mean actual videos of him talking about it? There are videos of Shaw talking about Hitler as a very nice man who he was good friends with, and other videos of him talking about gassing the unfit to death. These are actual videos.
TryYellowSnowCone 2 months ago
@TryYellowSnowCone One google search comes up with alex jones and "the soviet story" , i've seen that documentary and while GBS talked about eugenics extensively, it was often satirical, and much earlier than the Nazi's rose to prominence. Hitler and GBS were on complete opposites of the ideological spectrum.
TheEmptyHunter 2 months ago
@TheEmptyHunter Again, as I said, Shaw has videos of him saying that stuff. I didn't even know who he was until I saw them. I think that Shaw was against doing it on racial grounds, but he was fully in favor of gassing who he deemed to be 'unfit' to death, and he did quite like Hitler.
TryYellowSnowCone 2 months ago
@TheEmptyHunter The progressive movement as a whole was VERY pro Eugenics until Hitler made it unattractive for them to admit it.
TryYellowSnowCone 2 months ago
@TryYellowSnowCone and how is that relevant to today's progressive movement? They aren't now, so what relevance does it have? I could say that the conservative movement was pro slavery and genocide, but what positions they held in the past have no real relevance to what they advocate now.
TheEmptyHunter 2 months ago
@TheEmptyHunter The average progressive isn't, but some of their leaders are, even though they try to hide it. I mean, 50% of black babies are aborted before they are born. You're telling me that's a pro black policy?
TryYellowSnowCone 2 months ago
@TryYellowSnowCone No,that is a Christian Based initiative, government run, form of extermination and psycological warfare that is being committed against the black community in America.It has nothing to do with republican or democrat,and everything to do with Corporations and Religion.
OCCUPY WALL STREET
ToeInspector 2 months ago
@TryYellowSnowCone It would be disingenuous to twist that statistic to support your craziness. How is the progressive movement responsible for abortion? It's a personal choice down to the person, often the only coercion is from pro-life people. That statistic is nonsense anyway, but even so, the system is designed to keep black people in poverty. Take off the tin foil hat and think rationally please.
TheEmptyHunter 2 months ago
@mistermassive1 We know religious fascists hate seeing their misdeeds come to the light tho,amiright.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
@ToeInspector Kind of like those pesky Jews, right? Good thing God will smite them for the "liars" that they are, right? "I said you would be judged because you desribed yourself as a "jew" -ToeInspector
TryYellowSnowCone 2 months ago
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@TryYellowSnowCone you are a liar and a fraud.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
@mistermassive1 what bullshit,to my knowledge Moxy isn't a religious fascist.He supports debate..atleast he always has.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
BTW, ToeInspector, do a search on wikipedia for the term "root race". In it you will find the theories that inspired Hitler's obsession with the Aryan master race, written in the 1800s by a Russian occultist writer whom he was a big fan of.
TryYellowSnowCone 2 months ago
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Ron Paul is a religious fascist.
Ron paul supports government regulation of sexuality.
Ron Paul wants to abolish the EPA.
Ron Paul is a big oil Republican.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
@ToeInspector "I said you would be judged because you desribed yourself as a "jew"" -ToeInspector
TryYellowSnowCone 2 months ago
@TryYellowSnowCone You are a liar and a fraud.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
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@TryYellowSnowCone You are a liar and a fraud.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
@ToeInspector And all of the other fools running for the GOP are worse. All of them.
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 months ago
@bamboo4tameshigiri Pick crack,coke or heroine.They all fucked up and none of them better.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
@ToeInspector Well, that's largely relative. If your hand was broken, which one would you be begging me for? If you had a major burn, which one would you then be begging me for?
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 months ago
@bamboo4tameshigiri I would never beg you for anything.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
@ToeInspector That's good, because I would never give it to you.
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 months ago
@ToeInspector
When you can't even come up with creative lies about Ron Paul it just backfires.
If you are going to be a propagandist the lies have to be believable to be effective.
BadSwineDOTcom 2 months ago
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@BadSwineDOTcom Ron Paul is a religious fascist.
Ron paul supports government regulation of sexuality.
Ron Paul wants to abolish the EPA.
Ron Paul is a big oil Republican.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
",I said you would be judged because you desribed yourself as a "jew"" - ToeInspector
TryYellowSnowCone 2 months ago
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@TryYellowSnowCone ,I said YOU would be judged by YOUR God as you described yourself as a "Jew" a Religion.
The whole world see's what Ron Paul supporters are.Liars and Fraudsters.Just Like Ron Paul.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
Salam, Nader.
Epifrin 2 months ago
Please stop feeding the troll.
BadSwineDOTcom 2 months ago
@BadSwineDOTcom Hey, I got him to destroy himself, so it was hella worth it. This guy actually came out and said that God will judge the Jewish people, claimed that all Jews are liars for claiming they are an ethnic group, and so on. It's beautiful to see a guy like that fall on his own face with no outside help. :D
TryYellowSnowCone 2 months ago
@TryYellowSnowCone I did not tsay that,I said YOU would be judged by YOUR God as you described yourself as a "Jew" a Religion.You are one truly paranoid religious fascist,Hitler would be proud.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
@ToeInspector My God, your God, is all the same paper we're writing this stuff on. . .well, technically, it was animal skins back then, but you get the point. I'm certainly not shaking in my boots. Hurry hurry! You'll be late for the cross burning! You'll have great tales to tell of your daily condemnation of the Jewish people as frauds and liars. They'll give you a nice merit badge for your efforts for Der Furher.
TryYellowSnowCone 2 months ago
"I said none of those things,I said you would be judged because you desribed yourself as a "jew"" - ToeInspector <------ That says all we need to know, folks.
TryYellowSnowCone 2 months ago
Peace out fascist's, I wish I had more time,but i'll be back to destroy more of your propaganda later.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
@ToeInspector Later, enjoy the cross burning tonight. Make sure to tell the Grand Wizard your encounter with a Jew today and how you spread the message of the White Protestent God's smoting of that terrible "Jew rat" that I certainly am! (hahaha you brought on your own anti-Semetic self, you jerkoff).
TryYellowSnowCone 2 months ago
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Ron Paul supports governement regulation of sexuality.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
I agree with the last caller. Kill the Electoral College and the facade it poses!
Power to the People! Ron Paul 2012!
sevinPackage 2 months ago
@sevinPackage you mean power to the republicans,dumb fuck.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
@ToeInspector Do the Republicans exist?
TryYellowSnowCone 2 months ago
@sevinPackage Kill the 17th/16th and 14th amendments along with the Articles of Incorporation. Eliminate the UNITED STATES (CORPORATE) from existence along with and an amendment to FORBID ANY participant in U.S. government to be members of "think tanks" like the CFR/Bilderberg/TC AND for imprisonment of ANY representatives or foreign banks trying to do business in the U.S. As it stands, anyone coming into this country from the IMF/WB/IBS should be detained for treason on the spot.
crackerwv 2 months ago
Thank You for posting this.
YeTube7 2 months ago
I am amazed at the people who are willing to comment without research. The American people need to spend a great deal more time focusing on whether they will enjoy the bread and circuses of reality show train wrecks or control their government so they don't end up eating grass to fill their hungry bellies. The destruction of the Dollar is going to make it so that Social Security is meaningless. What good is it to receive a couple thousand dollars a month if a loaf of bread costs 100$. THINK.
MatthewBMany 2 months ago
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Ron paul supports government regulation of sexuality.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
Ron Paul supports governement regulation of sexuality.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
Ron Paul is a religious fascist.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
Ron Paul supports white only fountains.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
Ralph Nader is Obama with a brain.
RonPaulSwede 2 months ago
@RonPaulSwede Obama has no brain. He has strings attached to Ben Bernanke, Tim Geithner and Christine Lagarde's (the IMF chief) grubby little dyke hands.
crackerwv 2 months ago
@crackerwv Religious Fascism at its finest.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
@ToeInspector Explain little missy, or stop throwing accusations you can't back. You have no credibility and you need to just leave. You've embarrassed yourself enough already. Now we're all just LAUGHING at you. You get it? NO ONE believes you. EVERYONE knows you are a worthless troll. Just pointing out the obvious.
crackerwv 2 months ago
@crackerwv Fuck Ron Paul
ToeInspector 2 months ago
@ToeInspector lol....you are so desperate for attention, it's sad.
crackerwv 2 months ago
@crackerwv So why feed my desperation? fuck off paid troll.kthanks.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
Paul abides by his oath and this law UNLIKE the shills that toesucker WOULD vote for IF he was really a U.S. citizen. lol
5 USC 7311 - Sec. 7311. Loyalty and striking
An individual may not accept or hold a position in the Government of the United States or the government of the District of Columbia if he - \
(1) advocates the overthrow of our constitutional form of government;
(2) is a member of an organization that he knows advocates the overthrow of our constitutional form of government
crackerwv 2 months ago
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Aww...look at toeinspector...he's trying to run off all the comments calling his shill ass out and he was COMPLETELY discredited. Are you STILL a dual citizen of Canada and the U.S. as you told us before??? LOL
Loss of citizenship (INA § 349, 8 USC § 1481) Section 349 of the INA [8 USC § 1481] specifies several conditions under which US citizenship may be lost. These include: becoming a naturalized citizen of another country, or declaring allegiance to another country, after reaching age 18;
crackerwv 2 months ago
Ron Paul is anti-choice a.k.a Insane.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
Ron Paul is a religious fascist.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
Ron Paul supports big oil's rights over peoples rights.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
@ToeInspector lol ur an expert troll i see
goonerLIFE1 2 months ago
@ToeInspector Actually, property rights, if properly enforced cover the destruction of health and third party property. For example, the BP spill was a massive property rights violation, and if we took property rights seriously in this country, you would have likely seen jail sentences.
TryYellowSnowCone 2 months ago
Ron Paul wants to get rid of the EPA.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
@ToeInspector
excellent.
ron paul 2012
zmc33 2 months ago
@zmc33 Ron Paul supports white only fountains.
ToeInspector 2 months ago
@ToeInspector
o damn, you're totally crazy. my afternoon just got funner....
zmc33 2 months ago