This movie is not a documentary. Wake up! In his book 'Pietà', Swedish Jewish Professor Georg Klein told of a conversation he had with Rudolf Vrba in 1987. Klein asked him if his statements in the film 'Shoa' were really true. Vrba answered: “I do not know. I was just an actor and I recited my text.” The actors of this film received a script telling them what to say and they were paid 3,000 deutschmarks by Claude Lanzmann for their acting performance. ;-)
It is therefore essential that we disclose the factual brutality and horror of genocide, combating the deniers’ virulent, inaccurate historical revision. We must protect vulnerable future generations from making the same mistakes. A world that continues to allow genocide requires ethical remediation. We must insist that religious, racial, ethnic, gender and orientation persecution is wrong; and that tolerance is our progeny’s only hope.
@YTHaganah What do you think of the holocaust currently being committed against tens of millions upon tens of millions since 1973 via the legalized hiring of surgical hitmen to kill preborn infants in the name of choice?
Wrong choice = tiny corpse.
People, google for the following word and then click on Images on the left. See the reality:
@Jitpring Abortion isn't an option in Orthodox Judaism. Life is sacred in all it's forms...even low-life's like neo-nazis deserve the same human status as everyone else, including unborn children...period.
No crime in history is so heinous as the Holocaust - its memory must be accurately preserved, to protect our children and grandchildren. Museums and mandatory public education are tools to dispel bigotry, especially racial and ethnic hatred. Books, plays, films and presentations can reinforce the veracity of past and present genocides. They help to tell the true story of the perpetrators of genocide; and they reveal the abject terror, humiliation and degradation resulting from blind prejudice.
Don't think for one moment that ANY human is not capable of this atrocity. Please don't assume a self-righteous air of superiority because you THINK you could never act so inhumanely. If you were a German raised with that mindset you would do the same thing. Remember, any German soldier who didn't follow orders would be shot for treason.
its interesting that he says'if you lie enough, you believe your own lies'. This was what nazi officers obviously lived and thrived on. This man has been brainwashed. I think he was a pathological liar and I think he doesn't even do it intentionally, which is even more mad. It has however,opened a new door for me to realise that although jewish fared a number i cant imagine x worse then the german soldiers, I think the ones that were just doing their 'duty' suffered quite severely as well.
It's not that he doesn't show remorse, he simply wants to express the story as a matter of fact without emotion in all its inhumanity. He is was once infected with a disease that nearly destroyed his mind. It was called naziism. You can almost see in his deliberate honesty that he wants somebody to hear the truth. In Nazi Germany, disobedience was a capital offense. And while many had succomb to the brainwashing, they later felt the shame of having brought it on themselves.
I am curious why you have purposely not capitalized Franz Suchomel's name. Is that so that it does not show up in searches, or perhaps because you do not consider Franz Suchomel to be human?
@HistorySpeaks4Itself You are wrong. Not only is Mr. Suchomel a human being, but he is a rather average specimen. Indeed, he seems to have the virtue of being unusually honest. Under typical circumstances, he would have led a fairly decent life, and in fact I suspect he hasn't killed anyone else since the end of WW II.
The question that needs to be asked (and I believe Hannah Arendt addressed this) is how such an ordinary and reasonably decent fellow can be turned into a monster.
Sadly, you are probably at least partially correct. I have no doubt that a significant number of people right here on youtube would be executing innocent women and children themselves without hesitation if it meant saving their own skins. All that means is that simply "being human" itself is nothing to be proud of. In fact I can't think of any wild animals that commit genocidal murder on the scale of the holocaust, except maybe certain insects. Being better than insects is a choice.
@HistorySpeaks4Itself Racist Judenhat existed in Germany since the second Reich. Nazis did not engage in mass murder of Jews before Barbarossa. The war of conquest transformed mere philosophy into nefarious action. Preparation occurred via the T4 program. For me, this implies bounds loosed by murderers are set by society. There exists no biological impediment to murder.
@HistorySpeaks4Itself He wasn´t saving his own skin. SS men were in not a small number of cases free to change unit. Ive never read of any SS man in any camp being executed or jailed for not taking part in the killings. As a sidenote; no SS man in the Einzatsgruppen were ever forced to kill (in you dont count "forced" by rules like social acceptance and such like. Many Einzatsmen refused even though they often were treated with disrespect when they made their choice not to kill)
I think it says alot that never refers to the victims as people, but always as "Jews". The Jews were unloaded from the trains, the Jews were stripped naked and beaten with truncheons until they lost the will to live, x amount of Jews were shot that day, etc. Are Jews not people but inconvenient products to be disposed of at will? Does de-humanizing your victims make your crimes easier to live with? I don't see any remorse from him so I doubt its the latter
No he also refers to jews as "Leute" (=people) throughout this interview, but he certainly didn't regard them as such in 1942/43. Also Stangl (the camp commander) once said that after a certain time he saw the masses simply as cargo: "I rarely saw them as individuals. It was always a huge mass. I sometimes stood on the wall and saw them in the "tube" — they were naked, packed together, running, being driven with whips."
I'm sure you want to tell me about it, but keep it to yourself.
He's a despicable person pure and simple - he was part of a killing machine which puts a huge stain on the whole human race - there's no excusing it and no need to try.
@Suyamu I'm not interested in excuses. I'm interested in answers.
You can hate a plague, and shake your fist at the heavens against it. Or you can seek to understand what it is and why it happens, so that you can prevent it from recurring. The former may be more emotionally satisfying, but I rather prefer the latter approach. It's the modernist in me I suppose.
@Suyamu >"I'm the sort of person who doesn't waste time on analyzing what an error does instead of fixing it."
Yes, I understand. Like, for example, deciding that capitalists (or Jews) are the main causal factor in the economic and/or social problems of Europe, then proceeding to "fix" the error without any further analysis. I've seen this sort of thought-strategy before.
Whether I want to "go there" or not is immaterial. You've already insisted on dragging me along. Here we are.
@Suyamu It's not an issue of sympathy. Learning to understand a problem does not make one sympathize with the causal agents. It simply makes one more likely to succeed in dealing with them successfully.
@DrCruel How, indeed? In light of that question, and the comments you exchanged with Suyamu, it may be worth noting that Claude Lanzmann himself frequently rails against those who seek the "why" behind Hitler and the Nazi mentality. I understand where Lanzmann is coming from. Their conduct was so utterly inhumane and contemptible that their reasons - and their mentality - can't possibly be worth understanding. On the other hand, Lanzmann studies these people intensely...
@MissAPierce (cont)... and we watch his work intently, because there IS something worth understanding, beyond documenting the suffering of the victims. The methodology behind the Holocaust, coupled with how well-documented as it is, offers younger generations an unprecedented view of atrocity and genocide, and in the study of it we inevitably recognize the red flags of indifference and hate in our own society. As a result, fewer of us are likely to follow a lemming path.
@MissAPierce Might we also say that nothing is to be gained from learning about the people behind the Holodomor? The gulags? Yet Marxism still retains an air of respectability about it. And even today there are people who are proud to send bomb-laden children off to die, simply to kill a few Jewish civilians.
I must disagree with you. Whatever it is that made Nazism so popular seems to still be very much alive, and is worthy of looking into. Ignorance is never a proper answer to anything.
@MissAPierce Yes. You imply that the arguments the Nazis used to justify their barbarism aren't worthy of consideration, but that their techniques merit intense study. Again I must disagree.
Nazism was quite within the bounds of normalcy for many people in Europe, and for many decades, much in the same way that Marxism is now. If you read "Hitler's Willing Executioners", by Daniel Goldhagen, you'll find that much of the extermination was done matter-of-factly. I should like to know why.
@DrCruel In that case, you're right. I don't think the arguments the Nazis used are worthy of consideration. Anti-semitism is based on crap thinking, and I'm not going to fall around in the muck to find the roots. As far as their methods, and why so many accepted it- yes, that's interesting. But the answer lies more in the study of psychology than ideology. Sociopaths abound, some are even brilliant, and when you get enough of them together with a common cause and power... look out.
@MissAPierce It's not an absurd or academic question. Nazism has its roots in fascist politics, which had its roots in Marxist politics, which derived its ideas from the Left of the French Revolution. They got their ideas from the Enlightenment philosophes.
In my opinion, we've learned very little from what happened in 20th century Europe. I think one key might be to understand what was going on in the minds of the people at the time. It might help us deal with our more modern stupidities.
@DrCruel I admire your knowledge of the historic relations of the ideologies at work there, but when it comes to genocide, ideologies are never the reason (perpetrators would argue that, I'm sure- they have to for their own conscience's sake) - they're the excuse, and there's a big difference. Marxism, Communism, Anit-Semitism, Capitalism, Socialism, what have you- no one who ascribes to any of those philosophies will commit murder unless they're already predisposed on a more fundamental level.
@MissAPierce Fair enough. But humans are animals, and most of us are predisposed to violence and murder at a fundamental level. Anyone who has seen drill sergeants at work during Army basic training can attest to that. Ladies included, I'm afraid.
I think ideologies are frequently crafted to be excuse for such excesses, if only for the reason than to empower and spread such an ideology through the use of violence. That is as applicable to the idea of a Manifest Destiny as to modern socialism.
@MissAPierce Understand that Nazis, Marxists, Maoists and other socialists considered what they were doing to be moral and just, as worthy of dying for as killing for. Many did die for their ideology. Nor is this a new phenomenon - accounts of the Indian Wars in the US have much by way of similarities to the savagery of 20th century Europe. Is General Sherman, for example, so far removed from Suchomel when he declares that "a good Indian is a dead Indian"?
@YamaniNetsi But not just to Jews. Poles, Russians, Europeans, even Germans. They exterminated people with low IQs, physical handicaps, mental illness; homosexuals. And the truly terrible thing is that genocide is common. It happens all over the world, in every epoch. There is something fundamentally wrong with human beings. God will judge ALL haters, all people whose goal is the extermination of a different ethnicity for whatever reasons. I hope.
I detect sarcasm. I also detect lazyness. You have what appears to be the ability to bring yourself to higher levels of awareness. Shame that you never will.
remember ivory gate is a isralien jidf agent a gimp a shill check what he/she/it/they say
wwwholocaustdenialcom to see the truth not this ludicrous holohoax charade ...these "shoah" videos only serve as evidence of the fraud the jews have perpetrated on the world...
wwwholocaustdenialcom to see the truth not this ludicrous holohoax charade ...these "shoah" videos only serve as evidence of the fraud the jews have perpetrated on the world...
What the german government say say nothing! Every german what work for the state or politicans have only ONE opinion-it happens! Who say something other can say bye-bye to his job!
THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE!! They have not think on all this little details when they have create the holo-story! And that is the reason why only the holo-jews give all informations and the whole story have this hidden and secret and fog and schhhh don´t speak about it and "it is unthinkable" "not to describe" schhhh ohhh ahhhh
Newsflash genius: You're speaking about it right now, and any chemist in the world could easily do so as well. Sorry to break it to you, but the reason that your theory isn't expressed more often isn't because anyone is saying "schhhh ohhh ahhhh", it's because it is ignorant as hell.
@Ivorygate Any chance the reason his theories are not expressed often is because people do not want to be labeled an anti-Semite, a white supremacist or a Nazi? Once that label gets stuck on you, that is it. You are fair-game for every form of victimization and harassment. Prosecutors around the world will find new ways of interpreting existing laws to lock you up. And politicians will compete with each other to pass new laws to make you a criminal.While the media will be vying to demonize you.
@MrOpendialogue fuck these jews any fool can see its all a lie just their rambling stories from one half shock to another injustice to but then anne frank went to a jewish school.....!!!!!
what about the guy that escaped from treblinka or sobivor with over a million in jewels and gold then hid in a hole in the ground for a year loooooooooooool,,
then there is abraham bomber the hair dresser that gave naked women a nice haircut in the gas chamber to keep them calm...loooooooooooooool liar liar
@Ivorygate is a jidf jew boy gimp a paid shill or worst still another victim of this twisted lie that has been propagandised into popular belief like an urban myth...
only this was started by the usa and their psyche warfare team probably at the request of the zionist like the fire bombing of dresden that really did burn 400,000 people alive...more than all the jews put together that died of disease and starvation at the very end of ww2 due to the germans not being able to look after them..
@nachtschattenuser have you noticed its only jews telling these "story`s" they are all lies woven around their vague memories of being in the internment camps
funny how all the "piles of gassed jews" in photos all seem to have starved to death long before they were "gassed"...lol
There are only 3 (three) "eyewitness" from the "SONDERKOMMANDO" in auschwitz! And they have tell that the people what put in the gaschamber after 20min they have open and have put out the deads! ZyklonB was a high toxic gas (liquid) what was put on granulat and in MANY HOURS the zyklonB was SLOWLY going in the air! Self when is it true that in 20min all was dead IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THEY WAS GO IN WITH ALL THE ZYKLONB GRANULAT ON THE GROUND AND PUT OUT THE DEADS AND WORK FOR MONTHS!
Now all you have to do is convince the American Chemical Society of your theory, or any other chemical association on the planet for that matter. Of course, you are far more knowledgeable on the subjects of highly toxic gasses and granulated poisons, that's why you have presented this devastating data and they have not, eh? Or are they all a part of "the conspiracy" as well, Einstein?
@Ivorygate Hello. Remember me. You are back to your old dirty tricks again are you not? You know as well as I do that no one in the American Chemical Society or any other organization for that matter can remain in any position of influence for long if they start a line of inquiry that questions the conventional holocaust story. You would be shamed, then kicked out, prosecuted and forced into oblivion. Stop pretending. It makes you look small.
OOOOOHH and now you sound like a hypocrite on top of it all. You say now that jews "are fighting over differences they have with each other". You might want to check with some of your revisionist contemporaries before you claim that "Hitler too had shared Jewish ancestry"
@Knowyerfacts Hitler too had Jewish ancestry. I am not a white supremacist, I do not believe in pure blood of Aryan, I am not a Neo-Nazi and I think Nazism caused more problems than it ever solved. I have no compunctions in stating that Hitler had some Jewish blood mixed in him.
@MrOpendialogue I never labled you a Nazi, only a revisionist. And please check that information I gave you. It proves that there is indeed documentation and when you are done with that.. ill provide you with even more. Im not talking propaganda or opinion.. im talking factual primary source documentation... something that revisionists tend not to like very much.
@MrOpendialogue You asked for an example and I gave you a damn good one which the entire political community recognizes including the political establishment which had the most to lose. Thank you for demonstrating why debating with revisionists is a complete waste of time and why your type will never be taken seriously. History is not just about denying away what you dont like. This is exactly what you have just done. Thank you for validating what I have always known of revisionisn. Fin.
@Knowyerfacts Example? You mean scribbles on an old sheet of paper related to 'travel expenses' and has nothing to do with travel expenses, extremely bizarre by itself is the damn good example you are referring to? If that is the best you have you do not have much. Except for now you have to force of consensus and in Europe you have the law. That is what it comes down to - politics and public relations.
@MrOpendialogue Scribbles? It was a whole lot more than scribbles my friend. Where did you see scribbles? The German government recognizes these documents as official proof that the Final Solution was real. Sorry History 1, Revision Zero.
@Knowyerfacts Is this the same German Government that imprisons political dissidents for 'crimes' that in America are protected as expressions of freedom? I suppose if they say it, it must be true. You are playing the role of the empire and a player in the opposing team. The outcome is certain even before the game wins. Why make it History 1, Revision 0? Make it History 100, Revision -10000. The whole thing is sham. This is not about fairness at all.
@MrOpendialogue Im sorry if you dont realize you already lost this one. Where did you see scribbles huh? There are pages of documents .. PAGES! The problem with you and your kind is that anything shy of Hitler standing up from the grave and saying I WANT TO KILL ALL THE JEWS, will be dismissed from you revisionist types. And while on the topic, you should check into a speech made by Hitler at the Reichstag in the summer 1939 where he threatened to kill the Jews of Europe. Uh oh, more fact!
@Knowyerfacts Ok, now your story is falling apart. There was a scribble found recently, so I was giving the benefit of the doubt. Robert Jan van Pelt may not have known about it. Now you said there are pages and pages. While prominent holocaust scholars have said till now it was a state secret and few people outside the set up knew about it. Hitler had never anything kind to say about the Jews. But then again Hitler said many things. The official version is weaker than its proponents claim.
@MrOpendialogue Bullshit. You said scribble, when it was pages of official documents. You need to change your name to "one sided dialogue which is biased beyond all objectivity". I gave you a source of factyual documentaion, you dismiss it it and say its scribble but can't tell me how you came to that conclusion. I tell you to read Hitlers speech to the Reichstag in 39, but you wont.. and there is more documentaion. In all, thatnk you for proving once again that revisionists dont like facts
@Knowyerfacts Ok now you are getting desperate. You started with a scribble sheet of dubious origin found in 2010 and exaggerated it into pages of documents and now there are Hitler speeches. Holocaust proponents cannot have it both ways. Either the mass murder was a state secret that they did not directly mention in official documents like Robert Jan van Pelt and several others said. Or it was a well-known fact that Hitler openly spoke about.
@MrOpendialogue It is not a scribble sheet... where did you get that information? According to German archivasts working for the governemnt, it is pages, and so says the AP. You just dont like primary source documentation... its to you what kryptonite is to Superman. Van Pelt needs to update his knowledge... he is behind the times.. and really you should be ashamed of referencing him.. (to be continued)
@Knowyerfacts I saw the article in time magazine. They even have an image alleged to be Franz Rademacher's scribble. It is no kryptonite. It is just tying new threads to the old myth. The documents do not newly establish the old myth, they are presented under the presumption that the old myth is true. But you go on believing them. The US government has a consistent record of lying to start wars as I have shown in my channel video. But you believe what you want.
@MrOpendialogue On April 11, 1942, the head of the military administration in Serbia, Harald Turner, wrote to Himmler's adjutant, Karl Wolff: Already some months ago I had everything that could be got hold of in the way of Jews in this land shot, and had all the Jewish women and children concentrated in a camp and at the same time, with the help of the SD, procured a 'delousing vehicle' that will now finally have carried out the clearing of the camp in some 14 days to 4 weeks (Berlin Doc Center)
@MrOpendialogue The full citation for that is Turner to Wolff, 11.4.42, from Berlin Document Center file of Turner. (Schon vor Monaten habe ich alles an Juden im hiesigen Lande greifbare erschiessen und sämtliche Judenfrauen und Kinder in einem Lager konzentrieren lassen und zugleich mit Hilfe des SD einen 'Entlausungswagen' angeschaft, der nun in etwa 14 Tage bis 4 Wochen auch die Räumung des Lagers endgültig durchgeführt haben wird. Sorry for more evidence.. i know you dont like that :-)
@Knowyerfacts Evidence can be cross-examined. I read the whole letter. It is bizarre. In the same sentence he speaks frankly of shooting all the men but for the women and children he uses camouflage language. Could he be speaking about diseases in the camp? They had a disease problem there. Typhus is spread through lice. Delousing can arrest its spread. Typhoid which killed Anne Frank can be prevented from spreading by vaccinations(shots?). Clearing the camp could mean clearing it of disease.
@MrOpendialogue So it was ok to assassinate the men.. but you think you found a loophole in the language decsribing how the female population was reduced. Using that line thinking, anything in the history of mankind can be explained away. Ill try and help you understand. Tell me something that you feel strongly about and ill explain it away.
@MrOpendialogue No I read it, but there is absolutely no evidence to support that suggestion. this is just you playing the what if scenario.. so allow me to do the same. Tell me something you feel strongly about, something with controversy unrelated to the holocaust, and ill try to explain it away.
@MrOpendialogue Im not saying there wasn'y typhus, im saying that there is no evidence that anybody was trying to cure it... and the facts and logic would suggest the opposite. If anything, the German gov't would not seek to cure an enemy population such as the Jews.
@Knowyerfacts You refuse to answer my question because you dont want to be subject to revisionist practice yourself. You don't want to have something you feel strongly about reasoned away. After all, i think that even you realize that if the holocaust can be reasoned away, then anything can be reasoned away. Thanks for helping me make my point about the shortcomings of revision.
@Knowyerfacts Spoken like a moron. Microbes does not distinguish between people of different races. It spreads from Jew to Aryan just as easily as it spread from Aryan to Aryan or Jew to Jew. In fact understanding German attempts to contain the spread of diseases within the camps is significant when it comes to breaking the myth.
@MrOpendialogue right FUCKTARD, BUT DURING TIMES OF WAR, NOBODY TAKES CARE OF THE ENEMY AHEAD OF THEIR OWN! IM SORRY OF YOU ARE TOO STUPID TO KNOW WHEN TO QUIT BUT YOU HAVE GOTTEN YOUR UNEDUACTED ASS KICKED AT EVERY LEG OF THIS CONVERSATION. AND YOU REFUSED TO ANSWER MY QUESTION BECAUSE YOU KNOW I WILL PROVE YOU WRONG AGAIN. YOU ARE NOT CAPABLE OF OPEN DIALOGUE. YOU PROVE IT AGAIN AND AGAIN. CRAWL OUT OF YOUR BASEMENT AND TRY DEBATING IN THE REAL WORLD SOME TIME. YOU ARE BENEATH ME. DONE!
@Knowyerfacts We all share the same planet and are part of the same race, the human race. The microbe has no political agenda and so infects everyone equally. Here is a situation where the Germans cannot care for themselves without caring for their 'enemy'. Only by containing outbreaks in the camps could the Germans protect themselves. They knew it even if you pretend not to. In that sense their good health was tied to the good health of the Jews. Of course they will care.
@MrOpendialogue So in summary, You claimed an absense of factual documentation supporting a Nazi plan to rid Europe of Jews. You dismissed Hitler's speech to the Reichstag of 39 where he blatantly attacks Jews, you attempt to dismiss primary source docs from German archives only to fall short of saying that it was OK to kill the men but you suggest that perhaps Nazis were trying to save the woman from typhus as per the words "clearing out", you defend plagiarists (Van Pelt) and hacks (Irving).
@Knowyerfacts You are so bad at writing summaries but only because your desire to misunderstand me is deliberate. There is too much correct. I will start from the bottom. Van Pelt will be pretty pissed off by the way you associate his name with David Irving. I really do not care to defend either of them. Rather I was only sensitizing you to the shortcomings in your attempts to discredit them. They have both the good points and flaws like everyone else.
@MrOpendialogue Writing Summaries? What are you referencing? Im a PHD candidate and I assure you that your writing and research capabilities are far beneath mine.. as you have so painstakingly demonstrated. As for Van Pelt, He was caught plagiarizing and in case you did not know, in academia, plagiarism is worse than lying, for one can always cover up a lie by claiming naivete, but plagiarism is willful and intentional theft. You discredit yourself by even bringing Van Pelt into this.
@Knowyerfacts Van Pelt who you hate so much despite being a proponent of the holocaust, does in fact have a PHD and did help defend Deborah Lipstadt in the civil libel suit brought against her by David Irving. But since according to he is a fraud then I must assume that according to you, David Irving lost his case because of fraud. At this stage you seem to have lost grasp of what your argument is. Not that arguments mattered here. The match is fixed. If you are on the wrong side, you loose.
@43slax Right, I believe anything and everything that David Irving says. Because David Irving is my prophet, my God. Only in the simplistic world of your imagination would one revisionist believe everything that any other revisionist says.
@43slax I get it. You think David Irving is to me the way Jesus Christ is to Christians. The joke is on you my friend. And you think I am like you, you who will believe anything David Irving says as long as he says things that you already agree with. I am not like that. You are. That is your problem.
@Knowyerfacts The part where I said it is OK to kill men is a figment of your imagination a sign of desperation. And it is indeed a bizarre claim, they killed the men, but they tried to save the women? Otto Frank was in a Nazi camp hospital recovering when the allies liberated his camp. I said many of their seemingly bizarre actions can make sense once you recognize that epidemics where rampant in the camps and they where trying to contain it.
@MrOpendialogue You approval of Nazi homicide was evident. You selectively chose to respond to a primary source (which originally you claimed didnt exist) by ignoring the part which states theat the men were murdered and you focused instead on the words "clearing out" in relation to the woman, going as far to suggest that clearing out menat that attempte were being made to save them from typhus. Your selective understanding of factual documents is nothing less than irrisponsible and shameful
@Knowyerfacts Congratulations. You have outdid yourself. Primary sources are not required to prop up the holocaust myth. It is only required as a cement to patch up the cracks that are no appearing. But the cement is not of good quality. So you question the credibility of those that point to it glaring flaws. And the subject on epidemics that you deliberately ignore. We all have to selectively focus on those aspects that help us make sense of things. But selective focus can be used to device.
@Knowyerfacts So you are probably accusing me of trying to device. It is not impossible for me to do that. But how much more easier it is for the winning side to device in an era where communication channels where few and slow. Where you could declare blanket martial law in lands you captured. When independent international agencies where few and far between and did not wield much power to begin with. Here is the simple rule of the game. Start with a story, find facts to support it.
@Knowyerfacts I do not deny that Antisemitism was not rampant in Nazi Germany and I do need to discredit Hitler's speech. I only need to discredit those that show it as evidence of a plan for systematic mass-murder. By itself, it shows no such thing. And besides they cannot have it both ways. Either it was a state secret and not openly talked about. Or it was common knowledge.
@MrOpendialogue It was both secret and common. It was a gradual process aimed at the eventual genocide of the Jews. Whats most ironic about it however, is that at first, Hitler encouraged Zionism by allowing Jews to leave Europe and relocate to Palestine (then under British control). Today anti-zionists demand that Jews return to Europe.. a complete reversal. Can't have it both ways and the nation state of Israel cannot be undone any more than Texas can be given back to Mexico.
@Knowyerfacts That is the same thing I am telling. You cannot have it both ways. Either it was a secret that only few select people knew about. Or, it was common knowledge. You said it was both secret and common. Kind of a man that is both living and dead.
@Knowyerfacts Do me a favor would you, Robert Jan van Pelt has a wikipedia entry. If you have properly documented sources about his plagiarism, create a 'Controversy' side heading and make an entry, all well sourced. You will be doing the world a big favor. It would also tell me that there is some substance to that particular accusation of yours.
@Knowyerfacts The truth endures because people want it to endure for all time. Because only in its basis can mankind survive. So people despite their weaknesses are somewhat receptive to the truth, at least in the long run. Wikipedia is reviewed, edited and corrected by millions of people. Only delusions that the masses hold can come up as truth there. The few that deliberately try to tamper are easily compensated for by the many that corrects their errors.
@Knowyerfacts If Van Pelt is such a fraud and that fact is well documented, let everyone know. Let it be common knowledge, let it be the subject of debate and editing wars. I mean a fraud like him can do more harm to official version of the holocaust than any revisionist, denier or Neo Nazi. If you really care about your version of events, I think you will see why it is a good idea. People should not give Van Pelt more credit than he deserves and they won't if they hear what you have to say.
@Knowyerfacts I am not claiming an absence of factual documentation. There are plenty of documents. But what facts do they reveal? As if writing absolves a person from thinking. So in summary, your summary about me, exposes your loyalty to your dogma.
@MrOpendialogue he facts and the documents reveal murder. The German governement has come clean on this. The documents I sent you clearly stated muder of the Jews as the goal. There are even films that were made in Lithuania showing mass executions. What after all was the purpose of the Einsatzgruppen? Have you ever heard of them? I really hope you didnt have to look them up to know. But they filmed what they did as they moved further east of Germany.
@Knowyerfacts The German government is a government of the occupation force. You think you are helping your case by claiming 'the German government has come clean on it', you are not. Einsatzgruppen reminds me of the mobile chemical weapons labs that Collin Powell was speaking about. Except in an era with no internet, satellite communication, independent agencies as well as a global media that is not under the thumb of any single government.
@MrOpendialogue No, you are just in denial making up history as you go along. Because you refused to answer the question, and in true revisionist fashion attempted to redirect focus, ill inform you that the Einsatzgruppen were killing squads deployed by the Nazis to kill non-combatants. There brutality is documented on paper, in still photographs, and on film. Some day, perhaps you will see the error of your ways, but for now, I grow tired of you and your deceptive and unproductive cause
@Knowyerfacts You say that and then you show me things that are convincing only to people who already hold the holocaust to be true. Let me put it to you differently. Did somebody try to establish this story afresh in this day and age, they would not have had a chance. But once it is established, reinforcing it is a relatively simple task. Which is what you are doing.
@MrOpendialogue and furthermore, i love how they control the spread of disease amongst the men.. just put a bullet in theirs heads?!? You have no problem with murder huh?.. Nazi douche
"Debating" with these imbeciles is like shooting dead fish in a barrel - it's impossible to fail, but pointless. It's funny how ones like this one try to pawn themselves off as "objective", huh? If you put them in a time machine that transported them back to 1944 so they could witness the events themselves, they'd say "Jews made the time machine".
It's simple, they are failures, and need someone to blame their failure on.
No facts, logic or common sense will stand in their way.
@Ivorygate I know. Im wasting my time and intellect. I really just did a number on a buffoon named jerzy ulicki-rek . I really thought he would be a challenge but he is the biggest idiot I have come across... I guess I should have expected nothing less than simplicity from a polack. He calls himself professor but has never held a teaching position. He has no credentials and no archival training. Revisionists are all the same, they hate facts, they hate truth, and can't debate for sh*t!
@Knowyerfacts You see, you believe in a certain narrative. Anything that disagrees with it you knowingly or unknowingly explain away. Once you believe it, it is like wearing glasses of a certain color. Say you wear yellow color glasses, the whole world looks yellow. This is addressed in my video 'Holocaust Revisionism for Beginners by David McCalden'.
@Knowyerfacts I consider that. I consider that and subject myself to merciless self-criticism. So I know how difficult it is to get to the truth of things and how little changes in our understanding can have far reaching implications. So I wonder to what level of scrutiny these 'professionals' are subjecting their finding to and I come out very disappointed.
@Knowyerfacts Another Jew I admire Walter Lippmann knew the power of mass media to manipulate truth. He said and I quote, 'The facts we see depend on where we are placed and the habits of our eyes.' He was a journalist. You ought to read his work. Every form of manipulation used since then has already been well documented by him. And you are an easy prey to them all.
@Knowyerfacts ok.. so you are not up to my challenge. What are you afraid of? That something you hold sacred can be explained way... c'mon.. let me try.
@Knowyerfacts As am I? Because revisionism is a mainstream view that is propagated through the mass media? One through which people can be easily manipulated? Don't bother trying to discredit something I place great personal stock in. I do it frequently myself. To protect myself from delusions.
@MrOpendialogue Look what I found about your primary source of info: Pelt has committed plagiarism: he plundered and basically regurgitated the research results published in 1989 and 1993 by French researcher Jean-Claude Pressac – yet without naming his source even once. Mattogno’s analysis of van Pelt, reveals that van Pelt’s study of Auschwitz ignores crucial counter-arguments, is highly inconsistent, uses deceptive methods, and presents conflicting sources without due source criticism. NICE
@Knowyerfacts I am very happy you said that. What is supposed to be well established fact that no sane person could deny has its basis in shoddy scholarship, propaganda and threat of punishment. It has all the markings of a myth. Usually it is the scholars who find consensus while the common people who are confused. Here it is the scholars who have trouble finding consensus and yet the people are fed one story. It has the signature of propaganda.
@MrOpendialogue So once again, i give you more factual documentaion, not scribble that you can dismiss willy nilly. In the Meanwhile what is it that you are glad about? That I revealed to you that your idol Van Pelt is a thieving hack of a historian who thought he could steal somebody elses research and not get caught?
@Knowyerfacts Van Pelt is not my idol. He is just supposedly a prominent authority that you are eager to dismiss because he does not fit with the story you are trying to create.
@MrOpendialogue You mentioned him at least a half dozen times in some hazy attempt to challenge my views.. you must be taken with him on some level. Beyond that, what you call "my story" is not my story.. he has been outted and discredited for his substandard research methods which include the plagiarism and manipulation of previous works. This is the man you repeatedly referenced.
@Knowyerfacts So it is not your story, it is someone else's story that you are just repeating. Even better? I am taken in to some level by people who try to present a consistent story about the holocaust and then fail because the next person who agrees with them get all the details wrong.
@MrOpendialogue again, try not to twist words to the point of corruption. You used the wors story in attempt to suggest fiction. He palgiarized.. this is fact not fiction. The worst thing a historian can do is plagiarize... aside from fabricate events all together.. but a historian doesn't do that, a revisionist does.
@Knowyerfacts Plagiarize? Historians are using each other's works all the time. They are part of the same peer group. But when becomes an embarrassment to the rest of the community, he has to be ostracized in a 'professional manner' of course. David Irving was ostracized for having the wrong view. Van Pelt for presenting the right view wrongly.
@MrOpendialogue Yeah, and when they use another persons work and cite, its called theft... just give credit where credit is due... is that too much to ask for? In the academic world, this is a NO -NO. David Irving fell on his ass because he is not a trained historian. Had he known how to conduct resaerch in a scientific and scholarly manner, he may have had a chance of winning that case.
@Knowyerfacts Here is how it works. The people who run the system will not work to destroy it. David Irving held views which if accepted could damage the system. So he gets set up for failure and then the word gets broadcasted that had he done his research he would have succeeded. Real objectivity has its limits. It is mostly just a charade to keep people in line.
@MrOpendialogue AND I STATED, that your hack-scholars wrote of the Holocaust before this latest documentaion came to light so they need to change their tune. But apparently, you have a problem with the German governments own archival historians which releasded the implicating information and the Associated Press (AP) which further relayed the story. we are not talking about the bullshit news source RT. And to now deny gassing of any kind, makes you lower than whale shit in my book.
@Knowyerfacts I know, if I do not agree with everything you say, I am lower than shit in your book. The German government is a creation of the occupying allies. They put people with variant political views in prison. They rely on the holocaust to legitimize their hold on power. Tell me they have no axe to grind. Tell me they are the most reliable and unbiased source of information.
@Knowyerfacts It is not I that is changing my story, it is the proponents of the Holocaust. They have already revised the number of dead at Auschwitz. But for some reason never found the need to update the total number of dead based on that revision. Since they keep revising their story, why not call them revisionists?
@Knowyerfacts Also if you know a little bit of chemistry you will know that diesel engine exhaust are an extremely sloppy way of committing mass murder. Franz Suchomel is telling what is needed to make money. Anyone with a basic knowledge of chemistry can mass produce carbon monoxide much more efficiently without using any engine. Just shows that the people who spun the hoax knew no chemistry.
For a guy who calls himself "MrOpendiaglogue", you sure aren't a good listener. Why don't you point out where Suchomel said anything about a diesel engine? And as for any engine not producing carbon monoxide efficiently, try telling that to anyone who sat in their garage with the door closed and the car running for 10 minutes, Einstein.
@Ivorygate Part 2 starting at around 4:40 he says engine exhaust was used at Treblinka, tank engine exhaust. Tanks run on diesel. I have some details here
watch?v=HSXt6rXQNDc
Do you know what tank engines are good for? For driving tanks. Germans would have found better use for them. A regular gasoline engine as 4 to 10% carbon monoxide. Diesel engines even less. There is a much more efficient way to mass produce carbon monoxide. You need to know some basic chemistry though.
Sorry Einstein, you fail again. Not all tanks run on diesel, including early Soviet tanks which ran on petrol - do you need me to embarrass you on yet another fact? FYI, the engines used by the nazis were widely documented (by German sources) to have come from Soviet tanks. If you'd like to be pounded into the ground on the subject, I can do so to whatever extent you can take. Would you like to proceed?
@Ivorygate Soviet tanks. Nice. Because Germans where fluent in Russian. And tank engines are the best way to produce carbon monoxide. I have quoted my source. It says diesel. But it makes little difference. Tank engines are good for driving tanks. There is a simple and efficient way to mass produce carbon monoxide. Engines not required. In fact engines are lousy.
History is history, I'm afraid. Study the German invasion of Krasnoye Sormovo (A Russian TANK FACTORY in which GASOLINE POWERED T-34 Tanks were produced) if you need further embarrassment, old timer. You have quoted your source? Suchomel is right here, what better source of his own words is there, Einstein? And as for gasoline engines being good for driving tanks, that's true - but they were also good at blowing up. Putting it together yet - or has senility taken its toll?
@Ivorygate LOL. History is and always has been a story about the past told by those in power during the present. And as time progresses and new people come to power, history changes. My age you know nothing about. Stop acting stupid by mocking it. Suchomel is parroting the official version because otherwise he will end up in prison, but with the official version he gets paid. I cross checked. The tank engines where supposedly diesel but for my argument it does not matter.
If engines are so lousy at producing carbon monoxide, why don't you and a few of your "truth seeker" buddies demonstrate - you can post your video right here on youtube to prove your point. A bit of advice, make sure to have someone with a brain and a gas mask do the filming.
@Ivorygate You are hell bent on missing the point are you not? Trains are for moving people and goods from one place to another. But if you lay down on tracks as a train approaches you surely will die. Imagine a nation that perfected industrial mass production using something as sloppy as a tank engine for systematic mass murder. And a Soviet one at that. They would have to kidnap Soviet engineers in case it breaks down.
@Ivorygate You are not clarifying anything. You are just making things more murky. To clarify.
1. Tank engines are good for driving tanks. Engines are not needed to mass produce carbon-monoxide and are inefficient for that purpose.
2. Soviet engines come with Soviet manuals that Soviet engineers can best make use of. Germans would use something that they understand better. To use engines exhaust for mass murder is itself bizarre, to use Soviet engines even more.
@Ivorygate 3. You totally lost it when you said tanks where first made to run on gasoline and that they exploded because of it. Imagine the Russians mass producing exploding tanks. I suppose no one field tests them. And the Germans capture and use them. Not German engines but Soviet engines which they cannot maintain easily. And engines are itself the most sloppy way of mass producing carbon monoxide. Way to go.
Sorry to break it to you, but gasoline engines WERE widely used in military tanks in not only Russian but Germany, Japan, and the USA. If you doubt it, look it up for yourself, it should only take about 2-3 minutes from ANY source on the planet. You don't have a clue what you're talking about, on this subject or any other, you silly old fool.
@Ivorygate You are silly because you call me old. And because for my argument it does not matter whether gasoline or diesel was used. Tank engines are lousy for mass executions regardless. And if I am to believe you and gasoline engines explode, then Russians, Germans, Japanese and the Americans where building exploding tanks. They must have been really really stupid.
@Ivorygate Continue to call me old timer. I know you are young and stupid. But I will show you fairness, something that I have learnt not to expect from you. Along with the video description for 'One Third of a Holocaust', I will leave a link to a blog where people attempted to debunk it.
Let's take the demonstration you've been ignoring - let's reduce it to a hypothetical. If you and 200 of your closest revisionist friends climb into a 30'x30' room and funnel in engine exhaust - what would be the rate of "inefficiency" - in other words, how many of you would be left standing after 10 minutes?
@Ivorygate I got an even better experiment. Make me and 200 of my closet revisionist friends lay on a railway track and then have a train go over us. You may want to be the engine diver. Knowyerfacts can be the conductor. How many will be left in one piece once the train rolls by? Does that make trains efficient at killing? Of course not. That is not what trains are optimized for.
Just look up the Stanford, and the electric shock, experiment. Ordinary, moral people easily turning into monsters. It truly is scary!
CJ1CESSNA 4 months ago
it still makes me angry
vladimier12345 4 months ago
I wonder why the poster presents him as an officer , as someone in command - the SS rank of Unterscharfuhrer is equivalent to a corporal .
The man was a nobody .
If you ask why he did it , the answer is you get put up against a wall and shot if you dont .
That is not how it was just in the SS , same in every unit in every WW2 Army .
zarquon53 4 months ago
i would have liked if he had asked him; how many in his estimation were exterminated?
stanbrekston 5 months ago
i would have liked if he had asked him if he feels sorry for what he has done.
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kazan188 6 months ago
@YTHaganah All nazi bastards must die!...Trample the weak...Hurtle the dead!
TheKrapzapper 6 months ago
It is therefore essential that we disclose the factual brutality and horror of genocide, combating the deniers’ virulent, inaccurate historical revision. We must protect vulnerable future generations from making the same mistakes. A world that continues to allow genocide requires ethical remediation. We must insist that religious, racial, ethnic, gender and orientation persecution is wrong; and that tolerance is our progeny’s only hope.
YTHaganah 8 months ago
@YTHaganah What do you think of the holocaust currently being committed against tens of millions upon tens of millions since 1973 via the legalized hiring of surgical hitmen to kill preborn infants in the name of choice?
Wrong choice = tiny corpse.
People, google for the following word and then click on Images on the left. See the reality:
Abortion
Jitpring 8 months ago
@Jitpring Abortion isn't an option in Orthodox Judaism. Life is sacred in all it's forms...even low-life's like neo-nazis deserve the same human status as everyone else, including unborn children...period.
YTHaganah 8 months ago
@YTHaganah And this is your position? If so, cheers to you.
Jitpring 8 months ago
No crime in history is so heinous as the Holocaust - its memory must be accurately preserved, to protect our children and grandchildren. Museums and mandatory public education are tools to dispel bigotry, especially racial and ethnic hatred. Books, plays, films and presentations can reinforce the veracity of past and present genocides. They help to tell the true story of the perpetrators of genocide; and they reveal the abject terror, humiliation and degradation resulting from blind prejudice.
YTHaganah 8 months ago
Don't think for one moment that ANY human is not capable of this atrocity. Please don't assume a self-righteous air of superiority because you THINK you could never act so inhumanely. If you were a German raised with that mindset you would do the same thing. Remember, any German soldier who didn't follow orders would be shot for treason.
numag1 8 months ago
May this never, ever, ever happen again. To anyone, anywhere.
laurierken 8 months ago
@laurierken don't worry it wont, because it never happened in the first place :P
hunarf 6 months ago
its interesting that he says'if you lie enough, you believe your own lies'. This was what nazi officers obviously lived and thrived on. This man has been brainwashed. I think he was a pathological liar and I think he doesn't even do it intentionally, which is even more mad. It has however,opened a new door for me to realise that although jewish fared a number i cant imagine x worse then the german soldiers, I think the ones that were just doing their 'duty' suffered quite severely as well.
MissPonderosa 8 months ago
Very interesting interview. Thank you for uploading it.
hillshounds 9 months ago
It's not that he doesn't show remorse, he simply wants to express the story as a matter of fact without emotion in all its inhumanity. He is was once infected with a disease that nearly destroyed his mind. It was called naziism. You can almost see in his deliberate honesty that he wants somebody to hear the truth. In Nazi Germany, disobedience was a capital offense. And while many had succomb to the brainwashing, they later felt the shame of having brought it on themselves.
CHAS1422 9 months ago
@CHAS1422 Maybe some of them felt shame but certainly not all. just look at all the people that heiled hitler.
globe255 8 months ago
I am curious why you have purposely not capitalized Franz Suchomel's name. Is that so that it does not show up in searches, or perhaps because you do not consider Franz Suchomel to be human?
Hypebusta 10 months ago
@Hypebusta
It's neither, but the latter is close.
HistorySpeaks4Itself 10 months ago
@HistorySpeaks4Itself
The you are also degrading everything he says.
DataCutter 6 months ago
@HistorySpeaks4Itself You are wrong. Not only is Mr. Suchomel a human being, but he is a rather average specimen. Indeed, he seems to have the virtue of being unusually honest. Under typical circumstances, he would have led a fairly decent life, and in fact I suspect he hasn't killed anyone else since the end of WW II.
The question that needs to be asked (and I believe Hannah Arendt addressed this) is how such an ordinary and reasonably decent fellow can be turned into a monster.
DrCruel 5 months ago
@DrCruel
Sadly, you are probably at least partially correct. I have no doubt that a significant number of people right here on youtube would be executing innocent women and children themselves without hesitation if it meant saving their own skins. All that means is that simply "being human" itself is nothing to be proud of. In fact I can't think of any wild animals that commit genocidal murder on the scale of the holocaust, except maybe certain insects. Being better than insects is a choice.
HistorySpeaks4Itself 5 months ago 2
@HistorySpeaks4Itself Racist Judenhat existed in Germany since the second Reich. Nazis did not engage in mass murder of Jews before Barbarossa. The war of conquest transformed mere philosophy into nefarious action. Preparation occurred via the T4 program. For me, this implies bounds loosed by murderers are set by society. There exists no biological impediment to murder.
P1B1U1H1 5 months ago
@HistorySpeaks4Itself He wasn´t saving his own skin. SS men were in not a small number of cases free to change unit. Ive never read of any SS man in any camp being executed or jailed for not taking part in the killings. As a sidenote; no SS man in the Einzatsgruppen were ever forced to kill (in you dont count "forced" by rules like social acceptance and such like. Many Einzatsmen refused even though they often were treated with disrespect when they made their choice not to kill)
antibulletdodger101 2 months ago
I think it says alot that never refers to the victims as people, but always as "Jews". The Jews were unloaded from the trains, the Jews were stripped naked and beaten with truncheons until they lost the will to live, x amount of Jews were shot that day, etc. Are Jews not people but inconvenient products to be disposed of at will? Does de-humanizing your victims make your crimes easier to live with? I don't see any remorse from him so I doubt its the latter
breeeegs 1 month ago
@breeeegs
No he also refers to jews as "Leute" (=people) throughout this interview, but he certainly didn't regard them as such in 1942/43. Also Stangl (the camp commander) once said that after a certain time he saw the masses simply as cargo: "I rarely saw them as individuals. It was always a huge mass. I sometimes stood on the wall and saw them in the "tube" — they were naked, packed together, running, being driven with whips."
stuckonautomatic 1 hour ago
@DrCruel
Treblinka wasn't Suchomel's first contact with death camps - he's not ordinary and certainly not decent.
He helped murdering more people than one can possibly imagine unless having been there.
He's human alright, but none who'd I'd want to share a planet with.
Suyamu 5 months ago
@Suyamu You apparently are unfamiliar with the Milgram experiment.
DrCruel 4 months ago
@DrCruel
I'm sure you want to tell me about it, but keep it to yourself.
He's a despicable person pure and simple - he was part of a killing machine which puts a huge stain on the whole human race - there's no excusing it and no need to try.
Suyamu 4 months ago
@Suyamu I'm not interested in excuses. I'm interested in answers.
You can hate a plague, and shake your fist at the heavens against it. Or you can seek to understand what it is and why it happens, so that you can prevent it from recurring. The former may be more emotionally satisfying, but I rather prefer the latter approach. It's the modernist in me I suppose.
DrCruel 4 months ago
@DrCruel
That's the arrogant prick in you.
Suyamu 4 months ago
@Suyamu The irony is that you accuse others of being what you are, even as you demonstrate it.
You're the sort of person who becomes a Franz Suchomel. It's something you should soberly consider.
DrCruel 4 months ago
@DrCruel I'm the sort of person who doesn't waste time on analyzing what an error does instead of fixing it.
Like my ancestors who stopped people like him from continuing and expanding their dirty hobby.
What you should consider is what kind of deeds and what kind of people you're trying to rationalize and if you really wanna go there.
Suyamu 4 months ago
@Suyamu >"I'm the sort of person who doesn't waste time on analyzing what an error does instead of fixing it."
Yes, I understand. Like, for example, deciding that capitalists (or Jews) are the main causal factor in the economic and/or social problems of Europe, then proceeding to "fix" the error without any further analysis. I've seen this sort of thought-strategy before.
Whether I want to "go there" or not is immaterial. You've already insisted on dragging me along. Here we are.
DrCruel 4 months ago
@DrCruel
you're the one sympathizing with a mass murderer, not me.
I still have faith in my ability to tell right from wrong.
Suyamu 4 months ago
@Suyamu It's not an issue of sympathy. Learning to understand a problem does not make one sympathize with the causal agents. It simply makes one more likely to succeed in dealing with them successfully.
DrCruel 4 months ago
@DrCruel How, indeed? In light of that question, and the comments you exchanged with Suyamu, it may be worth noting that Claude Lanzmann himself frequently rails against those who seek the "why" behind Hitler and the Nazi mentality. I understand where Lanzmann is coming from. Their conduct was so utterly inhumane and contemptible that their reasons - and their mentality - can't possibly be worth understanding. On the other hand, Lanzmann studies these people intensely...
MissAPierce 4 months ago
@MissAPierce (cont)... and we watch his work intently, because there IS something worth understanding, beyond documenting the suffering of the victims. The methodology behind the Holocaust, coupled with how well-documented as it is, offers younger generations an unprecedented view of atrocity and genocide, and in the study of it we inevitably recognize the red flags of indifference and hate in our own society. As a result, fewer of us are likely to follow a lemming path.
MissAPierce 4 months ago
@MissAPierce Might we also say that nothing is to be gained from learning about the people behind the Holodomor? The gulags? Yet Marxism still retains an air of respectability about it. And even today there are people who are proud to send bomb-laden children off to die, simply to kill a few Jewish civilians.
I must disagree with you. Whatever it is that made Nazism so popular seems to still be very much alive, and is worthy of looking into. Ignorance is never a proper answer to anything.
DrCruel 4 months ago
@DrCruel Did you read my follow-up continuation before answering...? Not being flippant, just curious.
MissAPierce 4 months ago
@MissAPierce Yes. You imply that the arguments the Nazis used to justify their barbarism aren't worthy of consideration, but that their techniques merit intense study. Again I must disagree.
Nazism was quite within the bounds of normalcy for many people in Europe, and for many decades, much in the same way that Marxism is now. If you read "Hitler's Willing Executioners", by Daniel Goldhagen, you'll find that much of the extermination was done matter-of-factly. I should like to know why.
DrCruel 4 months ago
@DrCruel In that case, you're right. I don't think the arguments the Nazis used are worthy of consideration. Anti-semitism is based on crap thinking, and I'm not going to fall around in the muck to find the roots. As far as their methods, and why so many accepted it- yes, that's interesting. But the answer lies more in the study of psychology than ideology. Sociopaths abound, some are even brilliant, and when you get enough of them together with a common cause and power... look out.
MissAPierce 4 months ago
@MissAPierce It's not an absurd or academic question. Nazism has its roots in fascist politics, which had its roots in Marxist politics, which derived its ideas from the Left of the French Revolution. They got their ideas from the Enlightenment philosophes.
In my opinion, we've learned very little from what happened in 20th century Europe. I think one key might be to understand what was going on in the minds of the people at the time. It might help us deal with our more modern stupidities.
DrCruel 4 months ago
@DrCruel I admire your knowledge of the historic relations of the ideologies at work there, but when it comes to genocide, ideologies are never the reason (perpetrators would argue that, I'm sure- they have to for their own conscience's sake) - they're the excuse, and there's a big difference. Marxism, Communism, Anit-Semitism, Capitalism, Socialism, what have you- no one who ascribes to any of those philosophies will commit murder unless they're already predisposed on a more fundamental level.
MissAPierce 4 months ago
@MissAPierce Fair enough. But humans are animals, and most of us are predisposed to violence and murder at a fundamental level. Anyone who has seen drill sergeants at work during Army basic training can attest to that. Ladies included, I'm afraid.
I think ideologies are frequently crafted to be excuse for such excesses, if only for the reason than to empower and spread such an ideology through the use of violence. That is as applicable to the idea of a Manifest Destiny as to modern socialism.
DrCruel 4 months ago
@MissAPierce Understand that Nazis, Marxists, Maoists and other socialists considered what they were doing to be moral and just, as worthy of dying for as killing for. Many did die for their ideology. Nor is this a new phenomenon - accounts of the Indian Wars in the US have much by way of similarities to the savagery of 20th century Europe. Is General Sherman, for example, so far removed from Suchomel when he declares that "a good Indian is a dead Indian"?
DrCruel 4 months ago
@DrCruel ( ... correction - the quote is attributable to General Sheridan, not General Sherman. My apologies.)
DrCruel 4 months ago
I'm an atheist who however hopes there is at least a hell for people like this. I would love to think of him "burning well" for all of eternity.
He doesn't have one true bit of remorse in his SS "heart."
TiminPhoenix 10 months ago
just terrible what happens to our people! At the end, however, the G-d of the universe will judge every Jew-hating beast in Gehonom.
YamaniNetsi 11 months ago
@YamaniNetsi But not just to Jews. Poles, Russians, Europeans, even Germans. They exterminated people with low IQs, physical handicaps, mental illness; homosexuals. And the truly terrible thing is that genocide is common. It happens all over the world, in every epoch. There is something fundamentally wrong with human beings. God will judge ALL haters, all people whose goal is the extermination of a different ethnicity for whatever reasons. I hope.
angerdux8 10 months ago
How this man escape the noose is beyond me---------he needs to be water-borded untill he sings God damn Jerry Brown classics..
RebelSonBand 1 year ago
I detect sarcasm. I also detect lazyness. You have what appears to be the ability to bring yourself to higher levels of awareness. Shame that you never will.
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
Allow me to give you a simple chemistry lesson:
1. Gasoline explodes.
2. Diesel does not explode.
Now let's move on to common sense:
1. Tanks all over the world were made that ran on gasoline engines.
2. Gasoline engines use gasoline tanks.
3. Tanks are military vehicles.
4 On a battlefield, there is a strong likelihood that destructive projectiles will be fired at enemy vehicles, such as tanks.
5. If a destructive projectile hit a gas-powered tank...
Must I continue?
Ivorygate 1 year ago
@Ivorygate Yes you must continue and tell people you are a jidf disinformation agent or just a plain idiot...
The Jews were not gassed and there was no plan to gas them ...
The nuremburg "trials" are a joke a twisted attemp by the victors to paint the defeated german people as monsters
Wwwholocaustdenialvideocom watch this and make up your own mind..
The "history" you have been taught is false
fuckystoat 1 year ago
@Ivorygate This video is for you.
watch?v=TuezON24vm8
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
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fuckystoat 1 year ago
What the german government say say nothing! Every german what work for the state or politicans have only ONE opinion-it happens! Who say something other can say bye-bye to his job!
nachtschattenuser 1 year ago
@nachtschattenuser Bye bye to his job? He ends up in prison.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE!! They have not think on all this little details when they have create the holo-story! And that is the reason why only the holo-jews give all informations and the whole story have this hidden and secret and fog and schhhh don´t speak about it and "it is unthinkable" "not to describe" schhhh ohhh ahhhh
nachtschattenuser 1 year ago
@nachtschattenuser
Newsflash genius: You're speaking about it right now, and any chemist in the world could easily do so as well. Sorry to break it to you, but the reason that your theory isn't expressed more often isn't because anyone is saying "schhhh ohhh ahhhh", it's because it is ignorant as hell.
Ivorygate 1 year ago
@Ivorygate Any chance the reason his theories are not expressed often is because people do not want to be labeled an anti-Semite, a white supremacist or a Nazi? Once that label gets stuck on you, that is it. You are fair-game for every form of victimization and harassment. Prosecutors around the world will find new ways of interpreting existing laws to lock you up. And politicians will compete with each other to pass new laws to make you a criminal.While the media will be vying to demonize you.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue fuck these jews any fool can see its all a lie just their rambling stories from one half shock to another injustice to but then anne frank went to a jewish school.....!!!!!
what about the guy that escaped from treblinka or sobivor with over a million in jewels and gold then hid in a hole in the ground for a year loooooooooooool,,
then there is abraham bomber the hair dresser that gave naked women a nice haircut in the gas chamber to keep them calm...loooooooooooooool liar liar
fuckystoat 1 year ago
@Ivorygate is a jidf jew boy gimp a paid shill or worst still another victim of this twisted lie that has been propagandised into popular belief like an urban myth...
only this was started by the usa and their psyche warfare team probably at the request of the zionist like the fire bombing of dresden that really did burn 400,000 people alive...more than all the jews put together that died of disease and starvation at the very end of ww2 due to the germans not being able to look after them..
fuckystoat 1 year ago
@fuckystoat hes/she/they are displaying all the typical signs of a hasbara handbook spewing jidf agent..........
fuckystoat 1 year ago
@nachtschattenuser have you noticed its only jews telling these "story`s" they are all lies woven around their vague memories of being in the internment camps
funny how all the "piles of gassed jews" in photos all seem to have starved to death long before they were "gassed"...lol
fuckystoat 1 year ago
There are only 3 (three) "eyewitness" from the "SONDERKOMMANDO" in auschwitz! And they have tell that the people what put in the gaschamber after 20min they have open and have put out the deads! ZyklonB was a high toxic gas (liquid) what was put on granulat and in MANY HOURS the zyklonB was SLOWLY going in the air! Self when is it true that in 20min all was dead IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THEY WAS GO IN WITH ALL THE ZYKLONB GRANULAT ON THE GROUND AND PUT OUT THE DEADS AND WORK FOR MONTHS!
nachtschattenuser 1 year ago
@nachtschattenuser
Now all you have to do is convince the American Chemical Society of your theory, or any other chemical association on the planet for that matter. Of course, you are far more knowledgeable on the subjects of highly toxic gasses and granulated poisons, that's why you have presented this devastating data and they have not, eh? Or are they all a part of "the conspiracy" as well, Einstein?
Ivorygate 1 year ago
@Ivorygate Hello. Remember me. You are back to your old dirty tricks again are you not? You know as well as I do that no one in the American Chemical Society or any other organization for that matter can remain in any position of influence for long if they start a line of inquiry that questions the conventional holocaust story. You would be shamed, then kicked out, prosecuted and forced into oblivion. Stop pretending. It makes you look small.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
OOOOOHH and now you sound like a hypocrite on top of it all. You say now that jews "are fighting over differences they have with each other". You might want to check with some of your revisionist contemporaries before you claim that "Hitler too had shared Jewish ancestry"
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts Hitler too had Jewish ancestry. I am not a white supremacist, I do not believe in pure blood of Aryan, I am not a Neo-Nazi and I think Nazism caused more problems than it ever solved. I have no compunctions in stating that Hitler had some Jewish blood mixed in him.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue I never labled you a Nazi, only a revisionist. And please check that information I gave you. It proves that there is indeed documentation and when you are done with that.. ill provide you with even more. Im not talking propaganda or opinion.. im talking factual primary source documentation... something that revisionists tend not to like very much.
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts That one was not very convincing. Provide me with even more.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue You asked for an example and I gave you a damn good one which the entire political community recognizes including the political establishment which had the most to lose. Thank you for demonstrating why debating with revisionists is a complete waste of time and why your type will never be taken seriously. History is not just about denying away what you dont like. This is exactly what you have just done. Thank you for validating what I have always known of revisionisn. Fin.
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts Example? You mean scribbles on an old sheet of paper related to 'travel expenses' and has nothing to do with travel expenses, extremely bizarre by itself is the damn good example you are referring to? If that is the best you have you do not have much. Except for now you have to force of consensus and in Europe you have the law. That is what it comes down to - politics and public relations.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue Scribbles? It was a whole lot more than scribbles my friend. Where did you see scribbles? The German government recognizes these documents as official proof that the Final Solution was real. Sorry History 1, Revision Zero.
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts Is this the same German Government that imprisons political dissidents for 'crimes' that in America are protected as expressions of freedom? I suppose if they say it, it must be true. You are playing the role of the empire and a player in the opposing team. The outcome is certain even before the game wins. Why make it History 1, Revision 0? Make it History 100, Revision -10000. The whole thing is sham. This is not about fairness at all.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue Im sorry if you dont realize you already lost this one. Where did you see scribbles huh? There are pages of documents .. PAGES! The problem with you and your kind is that anything shy of Hitler standing up from the grave and saying I WANT TO KILL ALL THE JEWS, will be dismissed from you revisionist types. And while on the topic, you should check into a speech made by Hitler at the Reichstag in the summer 1939 where he threatened to kill the Jews of Europe. Uh oh, more fact!
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts Ok, now your story is falling apart. There was a scribble found recently, so I was giving the benefit of the doubt. Robert Jan van Pelt may not have known about it. Now you said there are pages and pages. While prominent holocaust scholars have said till now it was a state secret and few people outside the set up knew about it. Hitler had never anything kind to say about the Jews. But then again Hitler said many things. The official version is weaker than its proponents claim.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue Bullshit. You said scribble, when it was pages of official documents. You need to change your name to "one sided dialogue which is biased beyond all objectivity". I gave you a source of factyual documentaion, you dismiss it it and say its scribble but can't tell me how you came to that conclusion. I tell you to read Hitlers speech to the Reichstag in 39, but you wont.. and there is more documentaion. In all, thatnk you for proving once again that revisionists dont like facts
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts Ok now you are getting desperate. You started with a scribble sheet of dubious origin found in 2010 and exaggerated it into pages of documents and now there are Hitler speeches. Holocaust proponents cannot have it both ways. Either the mass murder was a state secret that they did not directly mention in official documents like Robert Jan van Pelt and several others said. Or it was a well-known fact that Hitler openly spoke about.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue It is not a scribble sheet... where did you get that information? According to German archivasts working for the governemnt, it is pages, and so says the AP. You just dont like primary source documentation... its to you what kryptonite is to Superman. Van Pelt needs to update his knowledge... he is behind the times.. and really you should be ashamed of referencing him.. (to be continued)
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts I saw the article in time magazine. They even have an image alleged to be Franz Rademacher's scribble. It is no kryptonite. It is just tying new threads to the old myth. The documents do not newly establish the old myth, they are presented under the presumption that the old myth is true. But you go on believing them. The US government has a consistent record of lying to start wars as I have shown in my channel video. But you believe what you want.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue On April 11, 1942, the head of the military administration in Serbia, Harald Turner, wrote to Himmler's adjutant, Karl Wolff: Already some months ago I had everything that could be got hold of in the way of Jews in this land shot, and had all the Jewish women and children concentrated in a camp and at the same time, with the help of the SD, procured a 'delousing vehicle' that will now finally have carried out the clearing of the camp in some 14 days to 4 weeks (Berlin Doc Center)
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue The full citation for that is Turner to Wolff, 11.4.42, from Berlin Document Center file of Turner. (Schon vor Monaten habe ich alles an Juden im hiesigen Lande greifbare erschiessen und sämtliche Judenfrauen und Kinder in einem Lager konzentrieren lassen und zugleich mit Hilfe des SD einen 'Entlausungswagen' angeschaft, der nun in etwa 14 Tage bis 4 Wochen auch die Räumung des Lagers endgültig durchgeführt haben wird. Sorry for more evidence.. i know you dont like that :-)
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts Evidence can be cross-examined. I read the whole letter. It is bizarre. In the same sentence he speaks frankly of shooting all the men but for the women and children he uses camouflage language. Could he be speaking about diseases in the camp? They had a disease problem there. Typhus is spread through lice. Delousing can arrest its spread. Typhoid which killed Anne Frank can be prevented from spreading by vaccinations(shots?). Clearing the camp could mean clearing it of disease.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue So it was ok to assassinate the men.. but you think you found a loophole in the language decsribing how the female population was reduced. Using that line thinking, anything in the history of mankind can be explained away. Ill try and help you understand. Tell me something that you feel strongly about and ill explain it away.
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
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Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts You seemed to have responded without reading the whole thing. I insinuated that shots could be referring to vaccines.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue No I read it, but there is absolutely no evidence to support that suggestion. this is just you playing the what if scenario.. so allow me to do the same. Tell me something you feel strongly about, something with controversy unrelated to the holocaust, and ill try to explain it away.
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts There is no evidence to support that there where typhus and typhoid epidemics in the camps?
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue Im not saying there wasn'y typhus, im saying that there is no evidence that anybody was trying to cure it... and the facts and logic would suggest the opposite. If anything, the German gov't would not seek to cure an enemy population such as the Jews.
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts You refuse to answer my question because you dont want to be subject to revisionist practice yourself. You don't want to have something you feel strongly about reasoned away. After all, i think that even you realize that if the holocaust can be reasoned away, then anything can be reasoned away. Thanks for helping me make my point about the shortcomings of revision.
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts Spoken like a moron. Microbes does not distinguish between people of different races. It spreads from Jew to Aryan just as easily as it spread from Aryan to Aryan or Jew to Jew. In fact understanding German attempts to contain the spread of diseases within the camps is significant when it comes to breaking the myth.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue right FUCKTARD, BUT DURING TIMES OF WAR, NOBODY TAKES CARE OF THE ENEMY AHEAD OF THEIR OWN! IM SORRY OF YOU ARE TOO STUPID TO KNOW WHEN TO QUIT BUT YOU HAVE GOTTEN YOUR UNEDUACTED ASS KICKED AT EVERY LEG OF THIS CONVERSATION. AND YOU REFUSED TO ANSWER MY QUESTION BECAUSE YOU KNOW I WILL PROVE YOU WRONG AGAIN. YOU ARE NOT CAPABLE OF OPEN DIALOGUE. YOU PROVE IT AGAIN AND AGAIN. CRAWL OUT OF YOUR BASEMENT AND TRY DEBATING IN THE REAL WORLD SOME TIME. YOU ARE BENEATH ME. DONE!
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts We all share the same planet and are part of the same race, the human race. The microbe has no political agenda and so infects everyone equally. Here is a situation where the Germans cannot care for themselves without caring for their 'enemy'. Only by containing outbreaks in the camps could the Germans protect themselves. They knew it even if you pretend not to. In that sense their good health was tied to the good health of the Jews. Of course they will care.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue So in summary, You claimed an absense of factual documentation supporting a Nazi plan to rid Europe of Jews. You dismissed Hitler's speech to the Reichstag of 39 where he blatantly attacks Jews, you attempt to dismiss primary source docs from German archives only to fall short of saying that it was OK to kill the men but you suggest that perhaps Nazis were trying to save the woman from typhus as per the words "clearing out", you defend plagiarists (Van Pelt) and hacks (Irving).
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts You are so bad at writing summaries but only because your desire to misunderstand me is deliberate. There is too much correct. I will start from the bottom. Van Pelt will be pretty pissed off by the way you associate his name with David Irving. I really do not care to defend either of them. Rather I was only sensitizing you to the shortcomings in your attempts to discredit them. They have both the good points and flaws like everyone else.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue Writing Summaries? What are you referencing? Im a PHD candidate and I assure you that your writing and research capabilities are far beneath mine.. as you have so painstakingly demonstrated. As for Van Pelt, He was caught plagiarizing and in case you did not know, in academia, plagiarism is worse than lying, for one can always cover up a lie by claiming naivete, but plagiarism is willful and intentional theft. You discredit yourself by even bringing Van Pelt into this.
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts Van Pelt who you hate so much despite being a proponent of the holocaust, does in fact have a PHD and did help defend Deborah Lipstadt in the civil libel suit brought against her by David Irving. But since according to he is a fraud then I must assume that according to you, David Irving lost his case because of fraud. At this stage you seem to have lost grasp of what your argument is. Not that arguments mattered here. The match is fixed. If you are on the wrong side, you loose.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue
aye fool -david irving has done a face bout and now agrees that millions of Jews were exterminated by the Nazi's
43slax 1 year ago
@43slax Right, I believe anything and everything that David Irving says. Because David Irving is my prophet, my God. Only in the simplistic world of your imagination would one revisionist believe everything that any other revisionist says.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue
aye joker. Irving was the guru of you sickos . Now that he has come to his senses he his discarded . Pathetic
43slax 1 year ago
@43slax I get it. You think David Irving is to me the way Jesus Christ is to Christians. The joke is on you my friend. And you think I am like you, you who will believe anything David Irving says as long as he says things that you already agree with. I am not like that. You are. That is your problem.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts The part where I said it is OK to kill men is a figment of your imagination a sign of desperation. And it is indeed a bizarre claim, they killed the men, but they tried to save the women? Otto Frank was in a Nazi camp hospital recovering when the allies liberated his camp. I said many of their seemingly bizarre actions can make sense once you recognize that epidemics where rampant in the camps and they where trying to contain it.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue You approval of Nazi homicide was evident. You selectively chose to respond to a primary source (which originally you claimed didnt exist) by ignoring the part which states theat the men were murdered and you focused instead on the words "clearing out" in relation to the woman, going as far to suggest that clearing out menat that attempte were being made to save them from typhus. Your selective understanding of factual documents is nothing less than irrisponsible and shameful
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts Congratulations. You have outdid yourself. Primary sources are not required to prop up the holocaust myth. It is only required as a cement to patch up the cracks that are no appearing. But the cement is not of good quality. So you question the credibility of those that point to it glaring flaws. And the subject on epidemics that you deliberately ignore. We all have to selectively focus on those aspects that help us make sense of things. But selective focus can be used to device.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts So you are probably accusing me of trying to device. It is not impossible for me to do that. But how much more easier it is for the winning side to device in an era where communication channels where few and slow. Where you could declare blanket martial law in lands you captured. When independent international agencies where few and far between and did not wield much power to begin with. Here is the simple rule of the game. Start with a story, find facts to support it.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts I do not deny that Antisemitism was not rampant in Nazi Germany and I do need to discredit Hitler's speech. I only need to discredit those that show it as evidence of a plan for systematic mass-murder. By itself, it shows no such thing. And besides they cannot have it both ways. Either it was a state secret and not openly talked about. Or it was common knowledge.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue It was both secret and common. It was a gradual process aimed at the eventual genocide of the Jews. Whats most ironic about it however, is that at first, Hitler encouraged Zionism by allowing Jews to leave Europe and relocate to Palestine (then under British control). Today anti-zionists demand that Jews return to Europe.. a complete reversal. Can't have it both ways and the nation state of Israel cannot be undone any more than Texas can be given back to Mexico.
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts That is the same thing I am telling. You cannot have it both ways. Either it was a secret that only few select people knew about. Or, it was common knowledge. You said it was both secret and common. Kind of a man that is both living and dead.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts Do me a favor would you, Robert Jan van Pelt has a wikipedia entry. If you have properly documented sources about his plagiarism, create a 'Controversy' side heading and make an entry, all well sourced. You will be doing the world a big favor. It would also tell me that there is some substance to that particular accusation of yours.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
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Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue Sorry, but I try to keep as far away from wikipedia as possible simply because anybody can alter information.
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts The truth endures because people want it to endure for all time. Because only in its basis can mankind survive. So people despite their weaknesses are somewhat receptive to the truth, at least in the long run. Wikipedia is reviewed, edited and corrected by millions of people. Only delusions that the masses hold can come up as truth there. The few that deliberately try to tamper are easily compensated for by the many that corrects their errors.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts If Van Pelt is such a fraud and that fact is well documented, let everyone know. Let it be common knowledge, let it be the subject of debate and editing wars. I mean a fraud like him can do more harm to official version of the holocaust than any revisionist, denier or Neo Nazi. If you really care about your version of events, I think you will see why it is a good idea. People should not give Van Pelt more credit than he deserves and they won't if they hear what you have to say.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts I am not claiming an absence of factual documentation. There are plenty of documents. But what facts do they reveal? As if writing absolves a person from thinking. So in summary, your summary about me, exposes your loyalty to your dogma.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue he facts and the documents reveal murder. The German governement has come clean on this. The documents I sent you clearly stated muder of the Jews as the goal. There are even films that were made in Lithuania showing mass executions. What after all was the purpose of the Einsatzgruppen? Have you ever heard of them? I really hope you didnt have to look them up to know. But they filmed what they did as they moved further east of Germany.
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts The German government is a government of the occupation force. You think you are helping your case by claiming 'the German government has come clean on it', you are not. Einsatzgruppen reminds me of the mobile chemical weapons labs that Collin Powell was speaking about. Except in an era with no internet, satellite communication, independent agencies as well as a global media that is not under the thumb of any single government.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue No, you are just in denial making up history as you go along. Because you refused to answer the question, and in true revisionist fashion attempted to redirect focus, ill inform you that the Einsatzgruppen were killing squads deployed by the Nazis to kill non-combatants. There brutality is documented on paper, in still photographs, and on film. Some day, perhaps you will see the error of your ways, but for now, I grow tired of you and your deceptive and unproductive cause
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts You say that and then you show me things that are convincing only to people who already hold the holocaust to be true. Let me put it to you differently. Did somebody try to establish this story afresh in this day and age, they would not have had a chance. But once it is established, reinforcing it is a relatively simple task. Which is what you are doing.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue and furthermore, i love how they control the spread of disease amongst the men.. just put a bullet in theirs heads?!? You have no problem with murder huh?.. Nazi douche
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts
"Debating" with these imbeciles is like shooting dead fish in a barrel - it's impossible to fail, but pointless. It's funny how ones like this one try to pawn themselves off as "objective", huh? If you put them in a time machine that transported them back to 1944 so they could witness the events themselves, they'd say "Jews made the time machine".
It's simple, they are failures, and need someone to blame their failure on.
No facts, logic or common sense will stand in their way.
Ivorygate 1 year ago
@Ivorygate I know. Im wasting my time and intellect. I really just did a number on a buffoon named jerzy ulicki-rek . I really thought he would be a challenge but he is the biggest idiot I have come across... I guess I should have expected nothing less than simplicity from a polack. He calls himself professor but has never held a teaching position. He has no credentials and no archival training. Revisionists are all the same, they hate facts, they hate truth, and can't debate for sh*t!
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts You see, you believe in a certain narrative. Anything that disagrees with it you knowingly or unknowingly explain away. Once you believe it, it is like wearing glasses of a certain color. Say you wear yellow color glasses, the whole world looks yellow. This is addressed in my video 'Holocaust Revisionism for Beginners by David McCalden'.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue Wrong dude, that is exactly what YOU are doing
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts I consider that. I consider that and subject myself to merciless self-criticism. So I know how difficult it is to get to the truth of things and how little changes in our understanding can have far reaching implications. So I wonder to what level of scrutiny these 'professionals' are subjecting their finding to and I come out very disappointed.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts Another Jew I admire Walter Lippmann knew the power of mass media to manipulate truth. He said and I quote, 'The facts we see depend on where we are placed and the habits of our eyes.' He was a journalist. You ought to read his work. Every form of manipulation used since then has already been well documented by him. And you are an easy prey to them all.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue As are you.. so will you allow me to try and explain something away.. to discredit something which you place great personal stock in?
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts ok.. so you are not up to my challenge. What are you afraid of? That something you hold sacred can be explained way... c'mon.. let me try.
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
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@Knowyerfacts As am I? Because revisionism is a mainstream view that is propagated through the mass media? One through which people can be easily manipulated? Don't bother trying to discredit something I place great personal stock in. I do it frequently myself. To protect myself from delusions.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue Look what I found about your primary source of info: Pelt has committed plagiarism: he plundered and basically regurgitated the research results published in 1989 and 1993 by French researcher Jean-Claude Pressac – yet without naming his source even once. Mattogno’s analysis of van Pelt, reveals that van Pelt’s study of Auschwitz ignores crucial counter-arguments, is highly inconsistent, uses deceptive methods, and presents conflicting sources without due source criticism. NICE
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts I am very happy you said that. What is supposed to be well established fact that no sane person could deny has its basis in shoddy scholarship, propaganda and threat of punishment. It has all the markings of a myth. Usually it is the scholars who find consensus while the common people who are confused. Here it is the scholars who have trouble finding consensus and yet the people are fed one story. It has the signature of propaganda.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue So once again, i give you more factual documentaion, not scribble that you can dismiss willy nilly. In the Meanwhile what is it that you are glad about? That I revealed to you that your idol Van Pelt is a thieving hack of a historian who thought he could steal somebody elses research and not get caught?
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts Van Pelt is not my idol. He is just supposedly a prominent authority that you are eager to dismiss because he does not fit with the story you are trying to create.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue You mentioned him at least a half dozen times in some hazy attempt to challenge my views.. you must be taken with him on some level. Beyond that, what you call "my story" is not my story.. he has been outted and discredited for his substandard research methods which include the plagiarism and manipulation of previous works. This is the man you repeatedly referenced.
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts So it is not your story, it is someone else's story that you are just repeating. Even better? I am taken in to some level by people who try to present a consistent story about the holocaust and then fail because the next person who agrees with them get all the details wrong.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue again, try not to twist words to the point of corruption. You used the wors story in attempt to suggest fiction. He palgiarized.. this is fact not fiction. The worst thing a historian can do is plagiarize... aside from fabricate events all together.. but a historian doesn't do that, a revisionist does.
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts Plagiarize? Historians are using each other's works all the time. They are part of the same peer group. But when becomes an embarrassment to the rest of the community, he has to be ostracized in a 'professional manner' of course. David Irving was ostracized for having the wrong view. Van Pelt for presenting the right view wrongly.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue Yeah, and when they use another persons work and cite, its called theft... just give credit where credit is due... is that too much to ask for? In the academic world, this is a NO -NO. David Irving fell on his ass because he is not a trained historian. Had he known how to conduct resaerch in a scientific and scholarly manner, he may have had a chance of winning that case.
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts Here is how it works. The people who run the system will not work to destroy it. David Irving held views which if accepted could damage the system. So he gets set up for failure and then the word gets broadcasted that had he done his research he would have succeeded. Real objectivity has its limits. It is mostly just a charade to keep people in line.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue AND I STATED, that your hack-scholars wrote of the Holocaust before this latest documentaion came to light so they need to change their tune. But apparently, you have a problem with the German governments own archival historians which releasded the implicating information and the Associated Press (AP) which further relayed the story. we are not talking about the bullshit news source RT. And to now deny gassing of any kind, makes you lower than whale shit in my book.
Knowyerfacts 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts I know, if I do not agree with everything you say, I am lower than shit in your book. The German government is a creation of the occupying allies. They put people with variant political views in prison. They rely on the holocaust to legitimize their hold on power. Tell me they have no axe to grind. Tell me they are the most reliable and unbiased source of information.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts It is not I that is changing my story, it is the proponents of the Holocaust. They have already revised the number of dead at Auschwitz. But for some reason never found the need to update the total number of dead based on that revision. Since they keep revising their story, why not call them revisionists?
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@Knowyerfacts Also if you know a little bit of chemistry you will know that diesel engine exhaust are an extremely sloppy way of committing mass murder. Franz Suchomel is telling what is needed to make money. Anyone with a basic knowledge of chemistry can mass produce carbon monoxide much more efficiently without using any engine. Just shows that the people who spun the hoax knew no chemistry.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue
For a guy who calls himself "MrOpendiaglogue", you sure aren't a good listener. Why don't you point out where Suchomel said anything about a diesel engine? And as for any engine not producing carbon monoxide efficiently, try telling that to anyone who sat in their garage with the door closed and the car running for 10 minutes, Einstein.
Ivorygate 1 year ago
@Ivorygate Part 2 starting at around 4:40 he says engine exhaust was used at Treblinka, tank engine exhaust. Tanks run on diesel. I have some details here
watch?v=HSXt6rXQNDc
Do you know what tank engines are good for? For driving tanks. Germans would have found better use for them. A regular gasoline engine as 4 to 10% carbon monoxide. Diesel engines even less. There is a much more efficient way to mass produce carbon monoxide. You need to know some basic chemistry though.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue
Sorry Einstein, you fail again. Not all tanks run on diesel, including early Soviet tanks which ran on petrol - do you need me to embarrass you on yet another fact? FYI, the engines used by the nazis were widely documented (by German sources) to have come from Soviet tanks. If you'd like to be pounded into the ground on the subject, I can do so to whatever extent you can take. Would you like to proceed?
Ivorygate 1 year ago
@Ivorygate Soviet tanks. Nice. Because Germans where fluent in Russian. And tank engines are the best way to produce carbon monoxide. I have quoted my source. It says diesel. But it makes little difference. Tank engines are good for driving tanks. There is a simple and efficient way to mass produce carbon monoxide. Engines not required. In fact engines are lousy.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue
History is history, I'm afraid. Study the German invasion of Krasnoye Sormovo (A Russian TANK FACTORY in which GASOLINE POWERED T-34 Tanks were produced) if you need further embarrassment, old timer. You have quoted your source? Suchomel is right here, what better source of his own words is there, Einstein? And as for gasoline engines being good for driving tanks, that's true - but they were also good at blowing up. Putting it together yet - or has senility taken its toll?
Ivorygate 1 year ago
@Ivorygate LOL. History is and always has been a story about the past told by those in power during the present. And as time progresses and new people come to power, history changes. My age you know nothing about. Stop acting stupid by mocking it. Suchomel is parroting the official version because otherwise he will end up in prison, but with the official version he gets paid. I cross checked. The tank engines where supposedly diesel but for my argument it does not matter.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue
If engines are so lousy at producing carbon monoxide, why don't you and a few of your "truth seeker" buddies demonstrate - you can post your video right here on youtube to prove your point. A bit of advice, make sure to have someone with a brain and a gas mask do the filming.
Ivorygate 1 year ago
@Ivorygate You are hell bent on missing the point are you not? Trains are for moving people and goods from one place to another. But if you lay down on tracks as a train approaches you surely will die. Imagine a nation that perfected industrial mass production using something as sloppy as a tank engine for systematic mass murder. And a Soviet one at that. They would have to kidnap Soviet engineers in case it breaks down.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue
Let's clarify, old timer - in addition to denying the Holocaust, you also deny:
1. It was common for tanks to run on gasoline, not diesel fuel
2. Carbon monoxide produced from a gasoline engine would produce a 100% fatality rate in minutes in an enclosed area
3. The Germans captured a number of Soviet tanks & even a Soviet tank factory early in the war
4. Gasoline engines explode, making it foolish to state that "engines are good at driving tanks"
At least you're consistent!
Ivorygate 1 year ago
@Ivorygate
please go to holocaustreasearchproject and read about walter rauff and the mobile gas chambers
43slax 1 year ago
@Ivorygate You are not clarifying anything. You are just making things more murky. To clarify.
1. Tank engines are good for driving tanks. Engines are not needed to mass produce carbon-monoxide and are inefficient for that purpose.
2. Soviet engines come with Soviet manuals that Soviet engineers can best make use of. Germans would use something that they understand better. To use engines exhaust for mass murder is itself bizarre, to use Soviet engines even more.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@Ivorygate 3. You totally lost it when you said tanks where first made to run on gasoline and that they exploded because of it. Imagine the Russians mass producing exploding tanks. I suppose no one field tests them. And the Germans capture and use them. Not German engines but Soviet engines which they cannot maintain easily. And engines are itself the most sloppy way of mass producing carbon monoxide. Way to go.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue
Sorry to break it to you, but gasoline engines WERE widely used in military tanks in not only Russian but Germany, Japan, and the USA. If you doubt it, look it up for yourself, it should only take about 2-3 minutes from ANY source on the planet. You don't have a clue what you're talking about, on this subject or any other, you silly old fool.
Ivorygate 1 year ago
@Ivorygate You are silly because you call me old. And because for my argument it does not matter whether gasoline or diesel was used. Tank engines are lousy for mass executions regardless. And if I am to believe you and gasoline engines explode, then Russians, Germans, Japanese and the Americans where building exploding tanks. They must have been really really stupid.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@Ivorygate Continue to call me old timer. I know you are young and stupid. But I will show you fairness, something that I have learnt not to expect from you. Along with the video description for 'One Third of a Holocaust', I will leave a link to a blog where people attempted to debunk it.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue
Please clarify further, you're doing a great job!
Let's take the demonstration you've been ignoring - let's reduce it to a hypothetical. If you and 200 of your closest revisionist friends climb into a 30'x30' room and funnel in engine exhaust - what would be the rate of "inefficiency" - in other words, how many of you would be left standing after 10 minutes?
Ivorygate 1 year ago
@Ivorygate I got an even better experiment. Make me and 200 of my closet revisionist friends lay on a railway track and then have a train go over us. You may want to be the engine diver. Knowyerfacts can be the conductor. How many will be left in one piece once the train rolls by? Does that make trains efficient at killing? Of course not. That is not what trains are optimized for.
MrOpendialogue 1 year ago
@MrOpendialogue
Do ya think that's why gas chambers were used as a method of execution in the USA instead of trains?
Ivorygate 1 year ago
@Ivorygate Do ya think they use engine exhaust to kill death row inmates in the gas chambers they have in the USA?