[But God is love] Love is the fulfillment of the law, Romans 13:10.
[What about John 3:16] Original translation: For god so loved his elect people, that he gave his only begotten son, THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHALL NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE. You have to believe in Christ to go to heaven.
Your reading of John 3:16 is completely wrong. The Grk word translated "so" means "in this manner", no "so much". And there is no "whosoever" in the Grk txt. The "for" links this verse to the previous v. Not all the Isrealites looked to the cross put up by Moses.
And, btw, the rich young ruler would not have been sad if he was unregenerate. He was sad because he, through Jesus, finally saw his sin. Jesus loved him; therefore he was Elect. Who says he didn't go and sell everything he had?
how many think the jews were cauc-asians? sorry for getting off topic i was just curious because the popular belief is just that.. however popular belief isnt true..
Im glad you guys are commenting.. GOD hated esau correct? while he ws still in his mothers womb... jacob i have loved esau i have hated...salvation is first to the jew and then to the gentile... not the other way around and there is a distinction between the two..God chose a people to be his personal possession....above all other people...1more thing arem the jew-ish people the jews of the bible??? well
Psalms 5:5 go read it. god does not love every single last person on the planet.also in the scriptures god searches the heart and mind of everyone...everyone cant be saved.if he loved everyone then everyone would be saved..right then what would be the point of hell?
Why wasnt the rich young ruler saved when Jesus loved Him? Mark 10:21,22. How could he go away sad having only believed Jesus was a good teacher and not God in te flesh? And yet Jesus loved him. You said if He loved Him he would be saved automatically.
@MrRAIDR912 Acts 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Scriptures are clear that atonement is not limited.
@MrRAIDR912 John 16:8 And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment;
The pronoun 'He' is the Holy Spirit. So, can people resist the Spirit?
Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ. And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles. Ac 18:5-6
@MrRAIDR912 Acts 7:51 You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did.
Matthew 23:37 Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.
Matt 12:31 but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
"Men might as well attempt to confine the ocean in buckets of their own making as to confine the vast range of divine revelation within the feeble enclosures of human systems of doctrine." Charles Henry Mackintosh
Jesus loved the rich guy like we love the Japanese who are not looting, As you know Fire and bhrimstone Jesus said it is not easy for a rich man to make it into heaven and also Jesus said It's not possible for men to make it but with God all things are possible after your Mark verse
Yes, in Mark 10:17-22, IF Calvinism exist, then Jesus was LYING to the Rich young man, Jesus said to him, "You lack ONE thing; Go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and COME, FOLLOW ME."... this man has NOT been REGENERATED,...Jesus LIED to him, he should've said, "You lack ONE thing, you NEED to be REGENERATED by the Holy Spirit so that you have the ABILITY to COME and FOLLOW ME."
@Cootabux Do you believe men invented evolution? Do you believe in the laws of logic? Do you believe in the uniformity of nature? Do you believe in absolute morality (you said God was evil how could you know what "evil" is without it)? Just wondering where you are coming from because at the end of the day. Men are condemned by God because they are sinful. We are not in a position to tell God how to determine what is right and wrong because he is God and we are not.
We condemned ourselves to war and hatred when we decided to invnet religions. Look at you, poor fellow, you dedicate your entire life to religion. Don't get me wrong, I agree with the basic morals of Christianity because obviously it's wrong to murder and it's wrong to steal yadda yadda...It's a shame people don't seem to realise religion is inappropriate. Now be honest, you must have an extremely, extremely, extremely boring life yes?
@ThaWhiteMaori Especially the atheism religion. Over 100 million dead in less then a century and in modern times too. Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, just to name a few.
@ThaWhiteMaori read cs lewis mere christianity, i am sure it will help you gain better insight into christianity and also morality, as you have mentioned, if you genuinely seek to get an insight into the truth, and dont worry its not a christian religious book, its a fairly classic book written by a former hardcore atheist, do give it a try if possible cheers
Calvinism out of Switzerland, was produced by a rival religion infiltrating Catholicism to splinter a piece off to break Christendom up into conflicting groups. Calvinism talks about a self elect group above humanity.Sound familiar? Thus its roots are grossly obvious. This conflict was installed 400 yrs go by Church inlfitrators and still promotes confusion and dissent among Christians.While intellectualls debate the delicious complexities the infilitrators still laugh and laugh 400 yrs later.
I loved the poem! It might be helpful to note that "hate" in both modern thought and first century jewish thought doesn't mean "does not love". Anyone who thinks it does today has never been to large family gatherings or had very many relationships in their life! And in the 1st century "hate" was more a preference thing and not at all a lack of love thing.
Since you are asking me a bunch of questions I think it is only fair for some interaction. Here is a question for you. It seems to me that you are saying that God does love everyone. Is that love equal? Does God love the person in hell the same as you or I?
You didn't answer my question! James 2:9 is referring to people who favor the rich instead and ignore the poor. In Acts Peter is showing that God does not only save the Jew but that God has his children all over the world! So, you have not answered the question and you decided to throw out passages with absolutely no explanation or exegesis! Classic!
No God is NOT partial! God would be partial by saving some people instead of others based on something they do. If you do not agree with that then you need explain how before the twins did anything good or bad that the older would serve the younger so that God's election might stand as it says in Romans 9. So can you explain that?
I can explain your position. Your position from Romans 9 is that God reprobates people unconditionally as they have not even sinned yet. So you are saying that God did not even punish Esau for sin as he had not even sinned yet. So in Calvinism God does not even punish people for sin but because He feels like it.
Um I am not asking you to MISREPRESENT my position! But can you give your interpretation or would Romans 9 be a chapter that you would never speak on to your congregation?
You misrepresent Calvinism by saying "God reprobates people unconditionally as they have not even sinned yet" That is not what Calvinism teaches. Man is left to their sin because Adam is the representative of all men so God does not need to "reprobate" anyone because they are condemned by their own sin. Read the Baptist Confession of Faith if you would like to learn more about Calvinism.
Of course in Calvinism God reprobates people unconditionally. It does not matter if you admit it or not it is the logical conclusion. God reprobated Adam unconditionally. Are you saying now you beieve in synergism? Did God heve to learn what Adam would do? I probably know your confession as well as you do. Your confession is in contradiction.
Are u saying that Adam's failure to obey, and that's very questionable, is somehow justified in the god cursing mankind with Original Sin?
I spent 8 yrs growing up in a Catholic school. Since the 4th grade, when I started to understand these religious teachings better, I instinctively saw something very suspicious, very wrong, with the story of Original Sin.
I've come to believe man invented Original Sin to explain his struggle with his animal nature. They knew nothing of Evolution!
I didn't realize that Dr. Robert A. Morey was in the group of names that we talked about. However, I don't fully disagree with him on most of it however God allowing Esau to live one more day in his sin is loving on God's part. It is merciful that Esau remained breathing. Romans 9:13 is a bigger problem for one who holds that God loves everyone equally. How in fact might you exegete that passage pastor?
My theology has stayed consistent. My point was that God is patient towards those who are prepared for destruction as Romans 9:22 states. You are claiming that my theology is evolving but you cannot provide any documentation on Calvinist teaching that says God only loves the elect! May I also add that you have not even given an exegesis of Romans 9. How do you explain what Paul writes concerning God's freedom to "have mercy on whom he would have mercy" Maybe another video to explain that?
I was looking at a Piper commentary and he does not say it. I do not need documentation to keep my argument here though. You just admitted it. Do the search I sent you. Now, you said you agree with Dr. Morey. If you do then why do you now say you need documentation to prove what I said in the video?
You say your theology is not evolving but you say God loves everyone and you also agree with Morey. Which is it? Calvinism may believe that Gods love benefits the world but are you saying that in Calvinism God loves those He chose for hell?
I already discussed that I didn't affirm everything Morey stated so that point needs to be thrown out! What I said earlier is that God is capable of different kinds of love and to limit God's love to a single definition is to make God less than human! Also God does NOT need to CHOSE people for HELL! How many times are you going to be corrected on this! If God decides to give mercy then the sinner is left to their own sin which then they place the wrath of God on themselves!
No I said I didn't "fully disagree" with Morey! You are changing my words to make you look better and that is plain wrong sir! I do not appreciate having my words twisted and misrepresented! Read my post again if you need to but I said I didn't "fully disagree" with Morey. I believe that God loved Esau in some manner because he allowed him to breathe and live past his first sin!
Can God not love people differently? Do you not love your wife differently than other people? To say that God does not love the whole world would be WRONG! If you can provide evidence of Calvin or other Calvinists who say God ONLY loves the elect then I would be glad to hear it. The truth is that God is patient to the non-elect and Jesus says in Matthew 5:45 that God cares for the just and unjust so to say that God only cares or loves the elect is FALSE and Calvinism doesn't teach it!
Yes God can love differently. That is why there are different words for love in Greek. But God used agape, which as I said in the video is a special love that God demonstrated when He died for sinners. This is a video response to Calvinists who do not believe God loves everyone. Just look to the related videos section. Calvinism believes God does not love the world but only the elect. If this bothers you as it should you may want to reconsider Calvinism.
I am familiar with James White and John Piper. Can you provide any writing/sermon/video where they say God HATES every single sinner or every person who is non-elect then I would love to see it! IF you cannot find any documentation of them saying these things then I would suggest you reconsider keeping this video posted!
So you can't provide any documentation of James White or John Piper saying that God doesn't love the non-elect? If you cannot answer this simple question sir I suggest you reconsider portraying Calvinism because it seems you don't understand what you don't agree with.
Search does God love sinners? I am looking at Piper right now to find a quote. Send an email to Lane CH
Also look at the link that I responded to as this is a video resomnse. This is fundemental teaching in Calvinism. You also need to study for yourself what your side believes. It is obvious from your comments on my videos you do not understand Calvinism. I will try to get to your questions.
If this is a fundamental teaching of Calvinism then you should have no problem finding a quote for me! I look forward to your response. If you cannot then I would encourage you to admit that also. I personally do not know what every person teaches about Calvinism but we should allow the Doctrines of Grace define themselves. That is what is at question at this point.
Where do you get your information from? I do not deny Calvinists do teach limited atonement-last time i checked Calvins commentaries on John 3:16 and whatever passages teach the universality of Gods love-Calvin never taught Limited atonement nor created TULIP as many erroneously state. When this happened-he had been dead 64 yrs when this came out. The universal truth is God loves every one and everyone departe4d and rebelled agaqinst God. Check Psalms 14 and 53
Great preaching brother, its refreshing to see someone that actually knows the bible, and knows how to interpret it the CORRECT way. God bless you brother.
I blocked DoctrinesofGraceBapt since he was just running in circles and we were in other videos going over the same things repeatedly. I proved his contradictions (read back through the comments) and I guess he got a bit upset. He was sending me personal messages that were emotional pleas. I do not debate by my emotions.
But this is completely contradictiory for any Calvinist to hold to. If Romans 9 is about salvation as all Calvinists believes and God makes some for salvation using Romas 9 then it is of neccessity that God also makes the vessells for wrath which is double predestination.
Another consistent contradiction in Calviinism is that God does not author evil but in Calvinism because of Romans 9 they argue God authors salvation as a potter forces clay to be molded. This is typical Calvinist logic and it is in contradiction. Calvinists please stop it. God is not in contradiction Calvinism is.
If God predestined salvation irresistably because of Romans 9 it is of neccessity that God in Calvinism predestined evil, sin and reprobation irresistably in Calvinistic foreknowledge.
You always say that the "Calvinist god" could have kept people from going to hell but chose not to. Are you saying that you do not believe God has the power to keep everyone from going to hell?
God could have decreed "Whosoever breathes" shall have eternal life. And thus sealed the salvation of all humanity.
But he did not.
And in his decree chose to be just and condemn most of creation to hell.
Thats how we know their is Grace, b/c we see his justice.
That is the most rediculous rant I have ever read. There are at least 5 to 10 more contradictions on this last post. For example:
Calvinist foreknowledge is not forsight or knowing in advance! I will not let you spam my videos anymore. You got your scientific answer and you were just trying to cover it up by posting a bunch of fotter.
I dont mean disrespect but that was rediculous and you do not need to be allowed to continue. I will be posting some comment over them to show your contradictions and to teach my class the logical fallacies of Calvinism. Thanks Steve. I may open one of my other videos soon for you to talk later. Sorry.
That's right Pastor Tassi. It's worse, than ridiculous. It's wicked for anyone to say God Almighty would condemn most of His Creation to an Eternal hell, without giving them any choice. The Scriptures state that God is Love. Where does one see Love in sending most of mankind to hell, without giving them freewill? It's unbelievable.
I dont think these Calvinists are showing a conscience. How easily it is for it to come out of thier mouth that God causes evil which would logically make evil one of Gods attributes. Its amazing to me.
So in reality Adam could not have done otherwise in Calvinism by his own faith since it was decreed and whatever is decreed will come to pass thus Adam in any logic was given evil irresistibly. God decreed Adams sin therefore it is not logical and impossible plus a false teaching to then argue Adam had a free will.
You say God does not predestine causally. Then it logically follows in salvation God did not cause our salvation. We (Man) then (in your logic) of necessity caused our own salvation, as it is was also were predestined.
I could go on and on but it is getting silly. The truth is that God decreed evil and Adam could only do evil in Calvinism as it was fated for him as God created Adams evil primarily as Adam could not do otherwise.
It is intelectual dishonesty to argue Adam had a free will.
@GBFNorwalk Did the rich young ruler ever come to Christ?Why didn't Jesus tell him "Hey,just say a prayer asking me into your heart and I'll save you"? I'll bet that's what you'd tell him right?
@GBFNorwalk Even the elect don't come to Jesus the first time they hear the gospel EVERYTIME,because scripture says,SOME PLOW,SOME PLANT,SOME WATER ,BUT IT'S GOD WHO GIVES THE INCREASE.This means that the general call can be heard but is not effectual,but when the CALL IS EFFECTUAL men are saved,ALL THE FATHER DRAWS TO JESUS WILL BE SAVED AND KEPT BY JESUS.
1. Does decree mean create or make? NOPE. Does decree mean AUTHOR? NOPE. What does decree mean when it comes to God? It means the ways by which God enacts the divine plane of salvation in history. That means history works out the way it works out because Gods hand is in history to work this creation into what he wants it to be. I hope you believe this. God is not just some blind watchmaker who does nothing in time. God is ACTIVE in time to will what he wants to occur to HIS GLORY,
and since he also knows the future perfectly, His actions determines precisely what WILL occur based on his Free Choice and not just what MAY occur, if humans do something.
2. Now, were did I say that God forces people to do EVERYTHING? I didnt. God does whatever he wants. He hates sin, so he does not force men to sin, but that does not mean he does not use the sin man does to his glory. It just means that he allows sin so he can be blessed in the righteous condemnation of sin;
God is also blessed in the atoning for sin. BTW, God does restrain the hearts of men sometimes so they are not as evil as the could be, again to his Glory.
3. So does Gods decree of Adams Fall mean that God MADE Adam Fall. NO! It just means that God Knew Adam would fall and it pleased God to let him fall to the Praise of His Glory. If God was not pleased to let him fall, then God as Sovereign would have stopped him from falling.
4. Phil. 2:13 For it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure. What does this verse mean? It means God both WILLS and WORKS in a person; therefore, God does directly cause some things in life of a person but in other things he works in and with us. And, you know what? That is exactly how John Gill, the renowned Baptist Calvinist, interpreted this verse. Gill says God therefore both implants in them principles of action to work from, as faith and love,
and a regard for his glory, and gives them grace and strength to work with, without which they can do nothing. REMEMBER, I said Calvinism does not hold to the Causal predestination THAT you are ASSUMING. We are not PUPPETS; we are clay pots. You are assuming more into the what God does that we are claiming he does. God decrees some things in such a way that he is the DIRECT CAUSE of them. Other things he decrees through secondary causes, namely through the will of men.
5. Therefore, somethings God directly causes: the creation of the world, the regeneration of man etc. Other things God causes necessarily through secondary causes: the faith of regenerated man, the perfect scriptures, good works in man, etc. Lastly, some things God lets occur to the praise of his glory: sin.
To designate which category everything falls into can be difficult, but realize by choosing how and were He would interact in history, God causes all things to work together for his OWN GOOD PLEASURE TO THE PRAISE OF HIS GLORIOUS GRACE.
BTW, clay being molded by a Potter is not directly forced into its shape. The potter uses the natural tendencies of the clay to slowly mold the clay into the shape that the potter wants. Making Clay pots takes time; one adds water, pressure, and spinning to the natural attributes of the clay to form it. This is HOW God predestines men to be conformed to the image of his son. God adds to us hardships, trials, and grace to make us like Christ.
Please NOTICE that you over SIMPLIFIED everything I said. You did not read my words in context, but you assumed you understood what I was saying before you gave me the time of day. That is why I KEEP on saying you DONT understand Calvinism. Calvinism says: God decreed all things that come to pass;
this OBVIOUS statement is taken logically from the fact that God is the omniscience, omnipotent SOVEREIGN, but you pour into these words the concept of the SUPERLATIVE TYRANT who makes people sin and then punishes them for their sin. In this way, it is you, not the Calvinist, who is being illogical.
I pray these words open your heart to understand what the Calvinist believes and what the Bible clearly teaches.
No DoctrinesofGraceBapt you and your confessions of faith remain in contradiction. I dont know why you keep posting the confessions as authority. The point is that the confession contradicts itself and you hold to this and it is merely a weak attempt using anectodal evidence in a contradiction. It is intelectual dishonest to say that Calvinism believes Adam had a free will.
This is double talk and merely an attempt to continue to attempt to make yourself innocent logically. Just watch you will continue to say man has free will man does not have free will. Adam sinned freely but God caused Adams sin. You only need a adolecents amount of intelligence to see the logical errors you will continue to postulate.
Calvinism cannot hold in any capacity that Adam was free as Calvinistic foreknowledge is causal and Adam could only sin thus he was never free in Calvinism. Remember in Calvinism and your confession that God did not merely forsee that Adam would sin. Therefore God authored sin causally by decree.
Every time we speak you contradict yourself. Are you now telling me that Adam could have done otherwise? I dont need to learn what you believe because I have studied it intensively. You need to admit the contradictions but you wont.
The Arminian position is that Adam was free. The Calvinist positon is that everything is caused by God thus in Calvinism Adam is not free and God authored his evil unconditionaly. You will try to paint yourself as Arminian whenever we speak of Adam.
You are in contradiction. You will logically contradict yourself every time we speak. Rockero please notice this as Calvinism is but a succession of contradictions. The truth is that Calvinism must believe Adam did not have a free will. Yes I have read the totality of your confessions and they remain in contradiction. God in Calvinism is the primary cause of evil because despite your dishonesty Calvinism does not hold that Adam had a free will.
1. The Westminster Confession of Faith is not an authority on what is true, but it is an authority on what Calvinists believe. BTW, I just gave the CONTEXT within the confession that you yourself quoted.
2. You keep on saying that Calvinists contradict themselves, BUT YOU HAVE NEVER PROVEN THIS. How do I contradict myself? Write out your proof. I am a math Teacher; I know what is required to have a contradiction, and until you show, with mathematical certainty from the assumed statements
(postulates/axioms see section 4) of Calvinism, a contradiction, Calvinism is CONSISTENT. Giving proof texts that rely on your own interpretation does not prove anything. It only says you disagree with our interpretation. You need to show WHY our interpretation is WRONG, and YOU HAVE NEVER DONE THIS.
3. I am NOT INNOCENT of my sins. My sins are bought and paid for by Jesus, but that does not make me innocent. WHERE DO YOU GET THE CHARGE THAT WE ARE ONLY TRYING TO MAKE OUR SELVES INNOCENT
OF ANY SIN BY BLAIMING GOD FOR OUR SIN? We DONT believe this; we dont blame God for our sin; we ARE truly SINNERS by our own EVIL ACTIONS.
4. I Never said, NOR DID ANY OTHER CALVINIST, that man has a free will and he does not have a free will. I said unregenerate Man has a will that is Enslaved to Sin; I said that before the Fall Adams will was free; those who are regenerated have a freed will. There is NO CONTRADICTION.
5. Calvinism does not hold to the Causal predestination that you are ASSUMING. We are not PUPPETS; we are clay pots. We act as men as God shapes us into what he wants us to be. God created us as secondary CAUSES; God does give us liberty to act as we see fit; God does restrain evil and promote good as he sees fit; God holds us guilty according to his law. In this way, God causes all things to work out according to his will; God establishing secondary causes, and he then guides them,
as he sees fit, in such a way as he does not remove their guilt for sin to his Glory. This might be hard to understand, but it is not contradictory.
6. Free will DOES NOT mean one could do otherwise. It means that the will can make choices that are free from outside determining factors. Adam with his free will could not have not sinned because he CHOSE with his FREE WILL to SIN. History was determined by ADAMs will as a secondary cause. AGAIN, Show me my CONTRADITION.
7. Finally, you dont understand the differences between Calvinism and Arminianism. The difference is found in who is the determining factor in salvation. It has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NATURE OF THE ENSLAVED HUMAN WILL. It is PELAGIANS and the Semi-Pelagians who argued with Augustinians (now called Calvinist) about the freedom of the will. Arminians believe that God gives every man at some time in his life enough grace to OVERCOME the fall and make a free choice unto salvation.
Read Wesley or Arminius, if you disagree. They FULLY UNDERSTOOD that in his fallen state, man could not CHOOSE to come to God (John 3:3; 6:44). Man NEEDS something to overcome his fallenness, GRACE.
God Bless.
PS: Sorry for the length. It was necessary to correct your misunderstandings.
Rockero562 I think one of the ways we need to best understand the doctrine of election is to first understand what it is not. You said that God does not send people to hell because of their sin nature. Well true Calvinists (I am not saying you are) will and should admit that God does send people to hell because in Calvinism, God logically gave them their sin nature. Please view my video called Unconditional Reprobation.
So in Calvinism election is that God does send some to hell and others not before the foundations of the world.
Westminster (Calvinism) Confession on Decrees.
III. By the decree of God, for the manifestation of His glory, some men and angels[6] are predestinated unto everlasting life; and others foreordained to everlasting death.[7]
IV. These angels and men, thus predestinated, and foreordained, are particularly and unchangeably designed, and their number so certain and definite, that it cannot be either increased or diminished.[8]
So in true Calvinism God does send people to hell and has unconditionally elected them and has given them irresistible evil in order to go there.
In Calvinism man does not go to hell by their sin nature as if it was passed passively to all mankind but in the logic of true Calvinism sin entered the world and was imputed to Adam irresistibly apart from any faith on mans part whatsoever.
So it matters not if Adam passed sin to all man because God passed sin to man (Adam) in Calvinism as a primary cause, causally and irresistibly to Adam so it logically follows that our sin nature in Calvinism is primarily and unconditionally caused and given primarily to all of mankind or what you could call unmeritted evil.
So in conclusion if you do not believe God sends people to hell then you are not and cannot be a true Calvinist. Calvinists that believe God does not send people to hell are easily proven to be in contradiction and have not carefully followed Calvinist logic to its conclusion.
LOL. You are STILL describing Hyper-Calvinism as true Calvinism. You STILL DON'T understand Calvinism. God did not positively give us our sin nature. God Gave Adam Freedom and Liberty; ADAM FELL giving to his decedents a Sinful Nature. Reprobation is the choice to LEAVE man in his sinful nature. Election is the Choice to redeem certain men out of just condemnation. Please stop adding to what we believe with what you think we believe.
If you kept reading the Westminster Confession you would have seen the following: The rest of mankind, God was pleased TO PASS BY, and to ordain them to dishonor and wrath FOR THEIR SIN, to the praise of his glorious justice. (Westminster Conf. III.VII)
Please notice that the rest of your comments are NOT logical derived from what you quoted. You ADDED an interpretation to what you quoted from the Confession.
Why, O why, does You-tube remove grammatical symbols? There were three periods between 'God was pleased' and 'to pass by'. I was correctly quoting the passage from the confession while saving the character count. Sorry.
This is a response to Calvinists and DoctrinesofGraceBapt rediculous logic he just posted. Spurgeon has no authority here.
(Calvinist logic) I am so greatful I do not have a free will and sin was all of the Calvinist gods and not of myself. Because if if I had a free will I actually would be responsible for sin. And since sin is all of you God as I am a Calvinist
I could not add to my sin as I can only do what you decreed for me before the foundations of the world.
So god of Calvinism I glory in your evil creating and evil giving and I received it against my will since nothing is reciprocal Calvinist god thank you so much for my sin all glory to you as I can not take credit for it myself as my evil was truly unmerited as nothing is done but by you because you did not merely know I would sin but you are the author if all evil.
And since sin was all of you and not my self since I have no reciprocal will in Calvinism, I thank you also for saving me after you did such a sorry thing to me as giving me my evil because I could not have done evil without you because that would rob you of glory as nothing is done outside of you.
All of those in hell oh Calvinist god could not have kept from going their but by your irresistable sin you created for us praise be to you. So thank you for my sin as I know I am not truly responsible and I repent for your evil creating. Thanks for being partial to me even though you said partiality is sin but you can sin if you want to.
BTW: This quote was commonly referred to as the Prayer of the (consistent) Arminian. It is meant to show the listener the inherent arrogance within Arminian thought. At least, it should show the Arminian what Calvinists are thinking when they here these theological explanations.
It was not an argument. It was meant to reflect the poem found in this video. I see nothing in this quote that is taken out of context, however the is much that was taken out of context in your poem.
Hi Pastor Steve! have you read A.W. Pink's "The Soveriegnty of God"? What do you think of it? One thing is clear to me, God does not send people to Hell, we are already headed there because of our sin nature. I thank the Lord He has been merciful and sent His Holy Spirit to minister to me. How are we to understand the Doctrine of Election? There are so many verses that illustrate this Doctrine in the Bible; Acts 13:48, Ephesians 1:4-6, 11-12, 2 Timothy 1:9, Revelation 17:8, Romans 8:28-30
Lord, I thank thee I am not like those poor presumptuous Calvinists Lord, I was born with a glorious free-will; I was born with power by which I can turn to thee of myself; I have improved my grace. If everybody had done the same with their grace that I have, they might all have been saved. Lord, I know thou dost not make us willing if we are not willing ourselves. Thou givest grace to everybody; some do not improve it, but I do.
There are many that will go to hell as much bought with the blood of Christ as I was; they had as much of the Holy Ghost given to them; they had as good a chance, and were as much blessed as I am. It was not thy grace that made us to differ; I know it did a great deal, still I turned the point; I made use of what was given me, and others did not-that is the difference between me and them."
Excerpt from C.H. Spurgeon's Sermon: Free Will- A Slave
DoctrinesofGraceBapt you know your argument is merely a weak attempt to proclaim your inncocence as in Calvinism evil is all of Gods and your reprobation was unconditional thus you are just trying to blame God for your evil.
I don't know what you are talking about. I presented one quote from Spurgeon, I made a statement, and I also asked for scriptural backing for a claim you made in this video. There was no argument presented in my comments, so I don't know what you are talking about in your reply.
'As you must receive God's Love to be saved. Receiving is reciprocal,and you must receive the gift of Salvation.'
5 min 12-20 seconds.
This statement is 100% TRADITION. I challenge you to Prove it from scripture.
God Bless.
PS: To apply an eisegetical understanding of John 3:16 to Matthew 5 is wrong. Matt 5:45 explains HOW God loves his enemies. Why should one ADD to this understanding of loving your enemies Unilateral, Salvational Omnibenevolence?
God is the author of evil in Calvinism. The point is not whether sin is passed to mankind as this passing on of sin is truly by secondary cause. The point is not whether Satan was forced as this establishes secondary cause. The point is not if the death of Jesus was decreed as this truly establishes secondary cause.
The Calvinist contradiction is how evil was authored. That is the error in Calvinism as Adam did not yet have a sin nature therefore sin in Calvinism was primarily caused by God thus He authored it in Calvinism and has given all men irresistible and unmerited evil. In Calvinism sin and evil is authored as nothing happens outside of Gods decrees.
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
And decreed a law.
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Not libertarian free will because of the law but free will nevertheless.
So it logically follows when God decreed the free will of man He primarily decreed free will. Therefore anything following would be truly a secondary cause. In Calvinism God remains the primary cause, as Adam did not have a free will. Therefore in Calvinism God remain the author and finisher of evil. Also in non-Calvinism this is not dualism as God has created the free will therefore nothing exists a=outside of God and His aseity remains in tact.
Only in non-Calvinism is true secondary cause established. So yes in Calvinism God is the primary cause of all evil murder and rape. Thus in Calvinism Adam received irresistible evil as God in Calvinism authored it.
Interesting solafide. Total Depravity holds that the natural man cannot even contemplate God and the knowledge of Him or their need for redemption. But yet Romans 1 as you now admit says man does know but exchanges the truth for the lie. This exchange could only be realized in that depravity is not inability.
Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
That is not true,The natural man can understand and contemplate God and the knowledge of Him or their need for redemption.The broblem is the more they contemplate the more they HATE God.They cannot see God value spiritually b/c they are spiritually DEAD.Thats why Rom.1:21
There is a difference in natural ability and moral ability. All men have the natural capacity to repent and believe, what they lack is the moral ability. That is where there inability comes from.
Please actually study calvinist theologians, and not just characature them you would know these things.
I have been familiar with the contradictions in the Reformed confessions for the last 20 years. Perhaps you should consider them more carefully before you logically blame God for your evil. Calvinism makes God the author and finisher of evil. All glory to the Calvinist god! Calvinism believes God hates the world. Come on are you now saying God loves anyone that is not regenerated in Calvinism? This is just more consistent Calvinistic contradictions.
How can I lead people into a twisted interpretation? In Calvinism God decrees everything that comes to pass even murder and rape. If I can lead someone, presupposes they have a free will.
The context for John 3:16 is established when we look further to John 3:19 where the same Greek word for world (kosmos) is used to describe those who are also condemned. So this would be the world.
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
I know it is customary in Calvinism to try to point out that the Bible does not usually mean what it clearly says but has a hidden meaning.
"In Calvinism God decrees everything that comes to pass even murder and rape."
Well, God decreed the most heineous murder of all time, that was the shedding of his sons Blood under guilty hands.
Norwalk do you actually believe there are things that come to pass that God does not decree(Lam 3:38)? Do you not acknowlege that God not only suggest to Satan what he should do(Job 1:8) but also limits his freedom to only doing what he decreed(Job 1:12) ?
GBFNorwalk, please review the different interpretations for the word 'world' that are found in the NT and also see that there are different applications to the word 'agape'. You don't agape your wife the same way that you do a brother in Christ and yet both are used in the NT. You should really study before making these deceptive videos, you are leading people to a twisted interpretation. In a few years from now you will have wished you went slowly and more carefully, your zeal will hurt many.
Psalm 5:5, Proverbs 6:16-19, Romans 9:13, Psalms 7:11.
[But God is love] Love is the fulfillment of the law, Romans 13:10.
[What about John 3:16] Original translation: For god so loved his elect people, that he gave his only begotten son, THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHALL NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE. You have to believe in Christ to go to heaven.
CptQuestionMark 1 month ago
Your reading of John 3:16 is completely wrong. The Grk word translated "so" means "in this manner", no "so much". And there is no "whosoever" in the Grk txt. The "for" links this verse to the previous v. Not all the Isrealites looked to the cross put up by Moses.
And, btw, the rich young ruler would not have been sad if he was unregenerate. He was sad because he, through Jesus, finally saw his sin. Jesus loved him; therefore he was Elect. Who says he didn't go and sell everything he had?
tolar9 3 months ago
how many think the jews were cauc-asians? sorry for getting off topic i was just curious because the popular belief is just that.. however popular belief isnt true..
MrRAIDR912 5 months ago
Im glad you guys are commenting.. GOD hated esau correct? while he ws still in his mothers womb... jacob i have loved esau i have hated...salvation is first to the jew and then to the gentile... not the other way around and there is a distinction between the two..God chose a people to be his personal possession....above all other people...1more thing arem the jew-ish people the jews of the bible??? well
MrRAIDR912 5 months ago
Psalms 5:5 go read it. god does not love every single last person on the planet.also in the scriptures god searches the heart and mind of everyone...everyone cant be saved.if he loved everyone then everyone would be saved..right then what would be the point of hell?
MrRAIDR912 5 months ago
@MrRAIDR912
Why wasnt the rich young ruler saved when Jesus loved Him? Mark 10:21,22. How could he go away sad having only believed Jesus was a good teacher and not God in te flesh? And yet Jesus loved him. You said if He loved Him he would be saved automatically.
GBFNorwalk 5 months ago
@GBFNorwalk The rich young ruler was an Elect.
TheBmjone1 3 months ago
@MrRAIDR912 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Acts 17:30
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 1 Timothy 2:4
The Bible does teach humans have choice.They are responsible for not coming.
For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. Titus 2:9-11
Philemon 1:14 “...that your goodness might not be by compulsion but of your own free will.”
ironmonkeypalm 5 months ago
@MrRAIDR912 Acts 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Scriptures are clear that atonement is not limited.
ironmonkeypalm 5 months ago
@MrRAIDR912 John 16:8 And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment;
The pronoun 'He' is the Holy Spirit. So, can people resist the Spirit?
Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ. And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles. Ac 18:5-6
ironmonkeypalm 5 months ago
@MrRAIDR912 Acts 7:51 You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did.
Matthew 23:37 Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.
Matt 12:31 but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
ironmonkeypalm 5 months ago
@MrRAIDR912
"Men might as well attempt to confine the ocean in buckets of their own making as to confine the vast range of divine revelation within the feeble enclosures of human systems of doctrine." Charles Henry Mackintosh
ironmonkeypalm 5 months ago
I find God as depicted in the bible to be evil.
MyContext 7 months ago
Jesus loved the rich guy like we love the Japanese who are not looting, As you know Fire and bhrimstone Jesus said it is not easy for a rich man to make it into heaven and also Jesus said It's not possible for men to make it but with God all things are possible after your Mark verse
Bullhornman2010 11 months ago
i love how all of these religions take verses of the bible out of the context and totally twisting it around... God loves everyone... God is love.
blackcrayons11 1 year ago
Yes, in Mark 10:17-22, IF Calvinism exist, then Jesus was LYING to the Rich young man, Jesus said to him, "You lack ONE thing; Go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and COME, FOLLOW ME."... this man has NOT been REGENERATED,...Jesus LIED to him, he should've said, "You lack ONE thing, you NEED to be REGENERATED by the Holy Spirit so that you have the ABILITY to COME and FOLLOW ME."
apollos6640 1 year ago
@Cootabux Do you believe men invented evolution? Do you believe in the laws of logic? Do you believe in the uniformity of nature? Do you believe in absolute morality (you said God was evil how could you know what "evil" is without it)? Just wondering where you are coming from because at the end of the day. Men are condemned by God because they are sinful. We are not in a position to tell God how to determine what is right and wrong because he is God and we are not.
berrytc44 1 year ago
We condemned ourselves to war and hatred when we decided to invnet religions. Look at you, poor fellow, you dedicate your entire life to religion. Don't get me wrong, I agree with the basic morals of Christianity because obviously it's wrong to murder and it's wrong to steal yadda yadda...It's a shame people don't seem to realise religion is inappropriate. Now be honest, you must have an extremely, extremely, extremely boring life yes?
ThaWhiteMaori 1 year ago
@ThaWhiteMaori
Those morals you speak of are from God written on your heart to let you know you are a sinner in need of the only Savior of mankind Jesus Christ.
GBFNorwalk 1 year ago
@GBFNorwalk Oh God....
ThaWhiteMaori 1 year ago
@ThaWhiteMaori Especially the atheism religion. Over 100 million dead in less then a century and in modern times too. Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, just to name a few.
ironmonkeypalm 5 months ago
@ThaWhiteMaori read cs lewis mere christianity, i am sure it will help you gain better insight into christianity and also morality, as you have mentioned, if you genuinely seek to get an insight into the truth, and dont worry its not a christian religious book, its a fairly classic book written by a former hardcore atheist, do give it a try if possible cheers
paulomi123 2 months ago
Calvinism teaches that God loves the whole world and wants all people to come to the knowledge of the truth.
ArmorOfGodMinistries 1 year ago
@ArmorOfGodMinistries
God loved the whole world?? The god Yahweh?
I think not! This god Yahweh, murdered, advocated slavery, was misogynistic, etc. So you can't be talking about this god!
Cootabux 1 year ago
Romans 4:18
Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as it had been said to him, "So shall your offspring be."
MODERATECALVINISM 1 year ago
Calvinism is Christianity.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN
I agree!
(and I've missed reading your comments).
Cootabux 1 year ago
God also loves Calvinist!
haeema 1 year ago
By your own understanding, you must remember not to hate Calvinist, but always love them!
haeema 1 year ago
Impressive!!
satothequeen 1 year ago
Calvinism out of Switzerland, was produced by a rival religion infiltrating Catholicism to splinter a piece off to break Christendom up into conflicting groups. Calvinism talks about a self elect group above humanity.Sound familiar? Thus its roots are grossly obvious. This conflict was installed 400 yrs go by Church inlfitrators and still promotes confusion and dissent among Christians.While intellectualls debate the delicious complexities the infilitrators still laugh and laugh 400 yrs later.
kimbo99 1 year ago
I loved the poem! It might be helpful to note that "hate" in both modern thought and first century jewish thought doesn't mean "does not love". Anyone who thinks it does today has never been to large family gatherings or had very many relationships in their life! And in the 1st century "hate" was more a preference thing and not at all a lack of love thing.
Gentle135 2 years ago
Since you are asking me a bunch of questions I think it is only fair for some interaction. Here is a question for you. It seems to me that you are saying that God does love everyone. Is that love equal? Does God love the person in hell the same as you or I?
berrytc44 2 years ago
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: (Ac 10:34
But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. (Jas 2:9)
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
You didn't answer my question! James 2:9 is referring to people who favor the rich instead and ignore the poor. In Acts Peter is showing that God does not only save the Jew but that God has his children all over the world! So, you have not answered the question and you decided to throw out passages with absolutely no explanation or exegesis! Classic!
berrytc44 2 years ago
Yes Peter is saying God is not partial, you are saying God is. Yes God loves the world.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
No God is NOT partial! God would be partial by saving some people instead of others based on something they do. If you do not agree with that then you need explain how before the twins did anything good or bad that the older would serve the younger so that God's election might stand as it says in Romans 9. So can you explain that?
berrytc44 2 years ago
I can explain your position. Your position from Romans 9 is that God reprobates people unconditionally as they have not even sinned yet. So you are saying that God did not even punish Esau for sin as he had not even sinned yet. So in Calvinism God does not even punish people for sin but because He feels like it.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
Um I am not asking you to MISREPRESENT my position! But can you give your interpretation or would Romans 9 be a chapter that you would never speak on to your congregation?
berrytc44 2 years ago
How did I misrepresent you?
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
You misrepresent Calvinism by saying "God reprobates people unconditionally as they have not even sinned yet" That is not what Calvinism teaches. Man is left to their sin because Adam is the representative of all men so God does not need to "reprobate" anyone because they are condemned by their own sin. Read the Baptist Confession of Faith if you would like to learn more about Calvinism.
berrytc44 2 years ago
Of course in Calvinism God reprobates people unconditionally. It does not matter if you admit it or not it is the logical conclusion. God reprobated Adam unconditionally. Are you saying now you beieve in synergism? Did God heve to learn what Adam would do? I probably know your confession as well as you do. Your confession is in contradiction.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
berrytc44
Are u saying that Adam's failure to obey, and that's very questionable, is somehow justified in the god cursing mankind with Original Sin?
I spent 8 yrs growing up in a Catholic school. Since the 4th grade, when I started to understand these religious teachings better, I instinctively saw something very suspicious, very wrong, with the story of Original Sin.
I've come to believe man invented Original Sin to explain his struggle with his animal nature. They knew nothing of Evolution!
Cootabux 1 year ago
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ThaWhiteMaori 1 year ago
I didn't realize that Dr. Robert A. Morey was in the group of names that we talked about. However, I don't fully disagree with him on most of it however God allowing Esau to live one more day in his sin is loving on God's part. It is merciful that Esau remained breathing. Romans 9:13 is a bigger problem for one who holds that God loves everyone equally. How in fact might you exegete that passage pastor?
berrytc44 2 years ago
So your theology is evolving. How is Esau breathing an exegesis of Rom 9?
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
My theology has stayed consistent. My point was that God is patient towards those who are prepared for destruction as Romans 9:22 states. You are claiming that my theology is evolving but you cannot provide any documentation on Calvinist teaching that says God only loves the elect! May I also add that you have not even given an exegesis of Romans 9. How do you explain what Paul writes concerning God's freedom to "have mercy on whom he would have mercy" Maybe another video to explain that?
berrytc44 2 years ago
I was looking at a Piper commentary and he does not say it. I do not need documentation to keep my argument here though. You just admitted it. Do the search I sent you. Now, you said you agree with Dr. Morey. If you do then why do you now say you need documentation to prove what I said in the video?
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
You say your theology is not evolving but you say God loves everyone and you also agree with Morey. Which is it? Calvinism may believe that Gods love benefits the world but are you saying that in Calvinism God loves those He chose for hell?
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
I already discussed that I didn't affirm everything Morey stated so that point needs to be thrown out! What I said earlier is that God is capable of different kinds of love and to limit God's love to a single definition is to make God less than human! Also God does NOT need to CHOSE people for HELL! How many times are you going to be corrected on this! If God decides to give mercy then the sinner is left to their own sin which then they place the wrath of God on themselves!
berrytc44 2 years ago
No I said I didn't "fully disagree" with Morey! You are changing my words to make you look better and that is plain wrong sir! I do not appreciate having my words twisted and misrepresented! Read my post again if you need to but I said I didn't "fully disagree" with Morey. I believe that God loved Esau in some manner because he allowed him to breathe and live past his first sin!
berrytc44 2 years ago
Can God not love people differently? Do you not love your wife differently than other people? To say that God does not love the whole world would be WRONG! If you can provide evidence of Calvin or other Calvinists who say God ONLY loves the elect then I would be glad to hear it. The truth is that God is patient to the non-elect and Jesus says in Matthew 5:45 that God cares for the just and unjust so to say that God only cares or loves the elect is FALSE and Calvinism doesn't teach it!
berrytc44 2 years ago
Yes God can love differently. That is why there are different words for love in Greek. But God used agape, which as I said in the video is a special love that God demonstrated when He died for sinners. This is a video response to Calvinists who do not believe God loves everyone. Just look to the related videos section. Calvinism believes God does not love the world but only the elect. If this bothers you as it should you may want to reconsider Calvinism.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
Who does not believe God loves everyone? Got hates the sinner? Matt Slick, James White, John Piper and most Calvinists.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
I am familiar with James White and John Piper. Can you provide any writing/sermon/video where they say God HATES every single sinner or every person who is non-elect then I would love to see it! IF you cannot find any documentation of them saying these things then I would suggest you reconsider keeping this video posted!
berrytc44 2 years ago
Does God love those who he leaves for hell?
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
So you can't provide any documentation of James White or John Piper saying that God doesn't love the non-elect? If you cannot answer this simple question sir I suggest you reconsider portraying Calvinism because it seems you don't understand what you don't agree with.
berrytc44 2 years ago
I dont need to take this video down for anyone as it is the truth of Calvinism. You may want to learn about what Calvinism teaches better.
/watch?v=X52-jww0AGo&feature=PlayList&p=6AB66C82E1E6617F&index=0&playnext=1
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
This link isn't working. Could you post one that does? I am interested if you do have documentation so this is important for me.
berrytc44 2 years ago
Search does God love sinners? I am looking at Piper right now to find a quote. Send an email to Lane CH
Also look at the link that I responded to as this is a video resomnse. This is fundemental teaching in Calvinism. You also need to study for yourself what your side believes. It is obvious from your comments on my videos you do not understand Calvinism. I will try to get to your questions.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
If this is a fundamental teaching of Calvinism then you should have no problem finding a quote for me! I look forward to your response. If you cannot then I would encourage you to admit that also. I personally do not know what every person teaches about Calvinism but we should allow the Doctrines of Grace define themselves. That is what is at question at this point.
berrytc44 2 years ago
Just click on the link that I made the video respose to. You can do that cant you?
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
Where do you get your information from? I do not deny Calvinists do teach limited atonement-last time i checked Calvins commentaries on John 3:16 and whatever passages teach the universality of Gods love-Calvin never taught Limited atonement nor created TULIP as many erroneously state. When this happened-he had been dead 64 yrs when this came out. The universal truth is God loves every one and everyone departe4d and rebelled agaqinst God. Check Psalms 14 and 53
daveme7 2 years ago
If you looked at the right where the related videos are you would see it is a response to Calvinist that believe God does not love everyone.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
I couldn't help but laugh watching this video.
Kaffikjelen 2 years ago
I am glad you gained pleasure or perhaps you were laughing at me and not with me. Nevertheless, God bless.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
Great preaching brother, its refreshing to see someone that actually knows the bible, and knows how to interpret it the CORRECT way. God bless you brother.
Deedees001 2 years ago
Thanks so much for your comment. God Bless, Steve
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
I blocked DoctrinesofGraceBapt since he was just running in circles and we were in other videos going over the same things repeatedly. I proved his contradictions (read back through the comments) and I guess he got a bit upset. He was sending me personal messages that were emotional pleas. I do not debate by my emotions.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
DoctrinesofGraceBapt said:
clay being molded by a Potter is not directly forced into its shape
This is a Calvinist contradiction!
It is interesting that he previously used Romans 9 (potter and clay) on another persons video to tell me that God predestines salvation irresistably.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
But this is completely contradictiory for any Calvinist to hold to. If Romans 9 is about salvation as all Calvinists believes and God makes some for salvation using Romas 9 then it is of neccessity that God also makes the vessells for wrath which is double predestination.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
Another consistent contradiction in Calviinism is that God does not author evil but in Calvinism because of Romans 9 they argue God authors salvation as a potter forces clay to be molded. This is typical Calvinist logic and it is in contradiction. Calvinists please stop it. God is not in contradiction Calvinism is.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
If God predestined salvation irresistably because of Romans 9 it is of neccessity that God in Calvinism predestined evil, sin and reprobation irresistably in Calvinistic foreknowledge.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
Norwalk,
You always say that the "Calvinist god" could have kept people from going to hell but chose not to. Are you saying that you do not believe God has the power to keep everyone from going to hell?
God could have decreed "Whosoever breathes" shall have eternal life. And thus sealed the salvation of all humanity.
But he did not.
And in his decree chose to be just and condemn most of creation to hell.
Thats how we know their is Grace, b/c we see his justice.
Soli Deo Gloria
SolaFideinChrist 2 years ago
@SolaFideinChrist
How do you see GOD as being "just" in condemning MOST of His Creation to HELL????
That is NOT the GOD of the Bible. It's the god of Calvinism.
Rachella38 2 years ago
That is the most rediculous rant I have ever read. There are at least 5 to 10 more contradictions on this last post. For example:
Calvinist foreknowledge is not forsight or knowing in advance! I will not let you spam my videos anymore. You got your scientific answer and you were just trying to cover it up by posting a bunch of fotter.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
I dont mean disrespect but that was rediculous and you do not need to be allowed to continue. I will be posting some comment over them to show your contradictions and to teach my class the logical fallacies of Calvinism. Thanks Steve. I may open one of my other videos soon for you to talk later. Sorry.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
@GBFNorwalk
That's right Pastor Tassi. It's worse, than ridiculous. It's wicked for anyone to say God Almighty would condemn most of His Creation to an Eternal hell, without giving them any choice. The Scriptures state that God is Love. Where does one see Love in sending most of mankind to hell, without giving them freewill? It's unbelievable.
Great job btw on all your videos!
Rachella38 2 years ago
I dont think these Calvinists are showing a conscience. How easily it is for it to come out of thier mouth that God causes evil which would logically make evil one of Gods attributes. Its amazing to me.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
A cannot be B = first principal of non contradiction
Westminster Confession and Calvinisms contradiction is:
A) God decrees all that comes to pass
B) (YET) God did not author evil
Non contradiction and therefore the truth of Calvinism is:
A) God decrees all that comes to pass
A) God is the author of evil
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
So in reality Adam could not have done otherwise in Calvinism by his own faith since it was decreed and whatever is decreed will come to pass thus Adam in any logic was given evil irresistibly. God decreed Adams sin therefore it is not logical and impossible plus a false teaching to then argue Adam had a free will.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
You say God does not predestine causally. Then it logically follows in salvation God did not cause our salvation. We (Man) then (in your logic) of necessity caused our own salvation, as it is was also were predestined.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
Gods decrees are not causal? Therefore when God decreed man to write scripture He did not do it causally? Then with your logic man wrote scripture.
The worlds were framed by Gods decree. But since DoctrinesofGraceBapt believes Gods decrees are not causal therefore God did not create the world.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
Remember non contradiction is A = A
We now see all of DoctrinesofGraceBapt comments are A = B therfore he is proven to be in contradiction and Calvinism fails.
DoctrinesofGraceBapt
A) we are clay pots. We act as men as God shapes us into what he wants us to be
B) God does give us liberty to act as we see fit
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
DoctrinesofGraceBapt
A) Calvinism does not hold to the Causal predestination
B) we are clay pots. We act as men as God shapes us into what he wants us to be
DoctrinesofGraceBapt
A) Adam with his free will could not have not sinned
B) because he CHOSE with his FREE WILL to
DoctrinesofGraceBapt
A) God does not predestine causally
B) God in salvation caused salvation by predestination
All of these comments are in contradiction.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
I could go on and on but it is getting silly. The truth is that God decreed evil and Adam could only do evil in Calvinism as it was fated for him as God created Adams evil primarily as Adam could not do otherwise.
It is intelectual dishonesty to argue Adam had a free will.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
To accept these logical contradictions is called Dialetheism. Please see my video on this topic.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
@GBFNorwalk Hey Norwalk,did God ever use evil spirits to accomplish His will?Yes,and more than one time too.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@GBFNorwalk Did the rich young ruler ever come to Christ?Why didn't Jesus tell him "Hey,just say a prayer asking me into your heart and I'll save you"? I'll bet that's what you'd tell him right?
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@GBFNorwalk Even the elect don't come to Jesus the first time they hear the gospel EVERYTIME,because scripture says,SOME PLOW,SOME PLANT,SOME WATER ,BUT IT'S GOD WHO GIVES THE INCREASE.This means that the general call can be heard but is not effectual,but when the CALL IS EFFECTUAL men are saved,ALL THE FATHER DRAWS TO JESUS WILL BE SAVED AND KEPT BY JESUS.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
1. Does decree mean create or make? NOPE. Does decree mean AUTHOR? NOPE. What does decree mean when it comes to God? It means the ways by which God enacts the divine plane of salvation in history. That means history works out the way it works out because Gods hand is in history to work this creation into what he wants it to be. I hope you believe this. God is not just some blind watchmaker who does nothing in time. God is ACTIVE in time to will what he wants to occur to HIS GLORY,
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DoctrinesofGraceBapt 2 years ago
and since he also knows the future perfectly, His actions determines precisely what WILL occur based on his Free Choice and not just what MAY occur, if humans do something.
2. Now, were did I say that God forces people to do EVERYTHING? I didnt. God does whatever he wants. He hates sin, so he does not force men to sin, but that does not mean he does not use the sin man does to his glory. It just means that he allows sin so he can be blessed in the righteous condemnation of sin;
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DoctrinesofGraceBapt 2 years ago
God is also blessed in the atoning for sin. BTW, God does restrain the hearts of men sometimes so they are not as evil as the could be, again to his Glory.
3. So does Gods decree of Adams Fall mean that God MADE Adam Fall. NO! It just means that God Knew Adam would fall and it pleased God to let him fall to the Praise of His Glory. If God was not pleased to let him fall, then God as Sovereign would have stopped him from falling.
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DoctrinesofGraceBapt 2 years ago
4. Phil. 2:13 For it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure. What does this verse mean? It means God both WILLS and WORKS in a person; therefore, God does directly cause some things in life of a person but in other things he works in and with us. And, you know what? That is exactly how John Gill, the renowned Baptist Calvinist, interpreted this verse. Gill says God therefore both implants in them principles of action to work from, as faith and love,
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DoctrinesofGraceBapt 2 years ago
and a regard for his glory, and gives them grace and strength to work with, without which they can do nothing. REMEMBER, I said Calvinism does not hold to the Causal predestination THAT you are ASSUMING. We are not PUPPETS; we are clay pots. You are assuming more into the what God does that we are claiming he does. God decrees some things in such a way that he is the DIRECT CAUSE of them. Other things he decrees through secondary causes, namely through the will of men.
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DoctrinesofGraceBapt 2 years ago
5. Therefore, somethings God directly causes: the creation of the world, the regeneration of man etc. Other things God causes necessarily through secondary causes: the faith of regenerated man, the perfect scriptures, good works in man, etc. Lastly, some things God lets occur to the praise of his glory: sin.
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DoctrinesofGraceBapt 2 years ago
To designate which category everything falls into can be difficult, but realize by choosing how and were He would interact in history, God causes all things to work together for his OWN GOOD PLEASURE TO THE PRAISE OF HIS GLORIOUS GRACE.
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DoctrinesofGraceBapt 2 years ago
BTW, clay being molded by a Potter is not directly forced into its shape. The potter uses the natural tendencies of the clay to slowly mold the clay into the shape that the potter wants. Making Clay pots takes time; one adds water, pressure, and spinning to the natural attributes of the clay to form it. This is HOW God predestines men to be conformed to the image of his son. God adds to us hardships, trials, and grace to make us like Christ.
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DoctrinesofGraceBapt 2 years ago
Please NOTICE that you over SIMPLIFIED everything I said. You did not read my words in context, but you assumed you understood what I was saying before you gave me the time of day. That is why I KEEP on saying you DONT understand Calvinism. Calvinism says: God decreed all things that come to pass;
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DoctrinesofGraceBapt 2 years ago
this OBVIOUS statement is taken logically from the fact that God is the omniscience, omnipotent SOVEREIGN, but you pour into these words the concept of the SUPERLATIVE TYRANT who makes people sin and then punishes them for their sin. In this way, it is you, not the Calvinist, who is being illogical.
I pray these words open your heart to understand what the Calvinist believes and what the Bible clearly teaches.
God Bless.
DoctrinesofGraceBapt 2 years ago
No DoctrinesofGraceBapt you and your confessions of faith remain in contradiction. I dont know why you keep posting the confessions as authority. The point is that the confession contradicts itself and you hold to this and it is merely a weak attempt using anectodal evidence in a contradiction. It is intelectual dishonest to say that Calvinism believes Adam had a free will.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
This is double talk and merely an attempt to continue to attempt to make yourself innocent logically. Just watch you will continue to say man has free will man does not have free will. Adam sinned freely but God caused Adams sin. You only need a adolecents amount of intelligence to see the logical errors you will continue to postulate.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
Calvinism cannot hold in any capacity that Adam was free as Calvinistic foreknowledge is causal and Adam could only sin thus he was never free in Calvinism. Remember in Calvinism and your confession that God did not merely forsee that Adam would sin. Therefore God authored sin causally by decree.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
Every time we speak you contradict yourself. Are you now telling me that Adam could have done otherwise? I dont need to learn what you believe because I have studied it intensively. You need to admit the contradictions but you wont.
The Arminian position is that Adam was free. The Calvinist positon is that everything is caused by God thus in Calvinism Adam is not free and God authored his evil unconditionaly. You will try to paint yourself as Arminian whenever we speak of Adam.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
You are in contradiction. You will logically contradict yourself every time we speak. Rockero please notice this as Calvinism is but a succession of contradictions. The truth is that Calvinism must believe Adam did not have a free will. Yes I have read the totality of your confessions and they remain in contradiction. God in Calvinism is the primary cause of evil because despite your dishonesty Calvinism does not hold that Adam had a free will.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
1. The Westminster Confession of Faith is not an authority on what is true, but it is an authority on what Calvinists believe. BTW, I just gave the CONTEXT within the confession that you yourself quoted.
2. You keep on saying that Calvinists contradict themselves, BUT YOU HAVE NEVER PROVEN THIS. How do I contradict myself? Write out your proof. I am a math Teacher; I know what is required to have a contradiction, and until you show, with mathematical certainty from the assumed statements
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DoctrinesofGraceBapt 2 years ago
(postulates/axioms see section 4) of Calvinism, a contradiction, Calvinism is CONSISTENT. Giving proof texts that rely on your own interpretation does not prove anything. It only says you disagree with our interpretation. You need to show WHY our interpretation is WRONG, and YOU HAVE NEVER DONE THIS.
3. I am NOT INNOCENT of my sins. My sins are bought and paid for by Jesus, but that does not make me innocent. WHERE DO YOU GET THE CHARGE THAT WE ARE ONLY TRYING TO MAKE OUR SELVES INNOCENT
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DoctrinesofGraceBapt 2 years ago
OF ANY SIN BY BLAIMING GOD FOR OUR SIN? We DONT believe this; we dont blame God for our sin; we ARE truly SINNERS by our own EVIL ACTIONS.
4. I Never said, NOR DID ANY OTHER CALVINIST, that man has a free will and he does not have a free will. I said unregenerate Man has a will that is Enslaved to Sin; I said that before the Fall Adams will was free; those who are regenerated have a freed will. There is NO CONTRADICTION.
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DoctrinesofGraceBapt 2 years ago
5. Calvinism does not hold to the Causal predestination that you are ASSUMING. We are not PUPPETS; we are clay pots. We act as men as God shapes us into what he wants us to be. God created us as secondary CAUSES; God does give us liberty to act as we see fit; God does restrain evil and promote good as he sees fit; God holds us guilty according to his law. In this way, God causes all things to work out according to his will; God establishing secondary causes, and he then guides them,
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DoctrinesofGraceBapt 2 years ago
as he sees fit, in such a way as he does not remove their guilt for sin to his Glory. This might be hard to understand, but it is not contradictory.
6. Free will DOES NOT mean one could do otherwise. It means that the will can make choices that are free from outside determining factors. Adam with his free will could not have not sinned because he CHOSE with his FREE WILL to SIN. History was determined by ADAMs will as a secondary cause. AGAIN, Show me my CONTRADITION.
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DoctrinesofGraceBapt 2 years ago
7. Finally, you dont understand the differences between Calvinism and Arminianism. The difference is found in who is the determining factor in salvation. It has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NATURE OF THE ENSLAVED HUMAN WILL. It is PELAGIANS and the Semi-Pelagians who argued with Augustinians (now called Calvinist) about the freedom of the will. Arminians believe that God gives every man at some time in his life enough grace to OVERCOME the fall and make a free choice unto salvation.
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DoctrinesofGraceBapt 2 years ago
Read Wesley or Arminius, if you disagree. They FULLY UNDERSTOOD that in his fallen state, man could not CHOOSE to come to God (John 3:3; 6:44). Man NEEDS something to overcome his fallenness, GRACE.
God Bless.
PS: Sorry for the length. It was necessary to correct your misunderstandings.
DoctrinesofGraceBapt 2 years ago
Rockero562 I think one of the ways we need to best understand the doctrine of election is to first understand what it is not. You said that God does not send people to hell because of their sin nature. Well true Calvinists (I am not saying you are) will and should admit that God does send people to hell because in Calvinism, God logically gave them their sin nature. Please view my video called Unconditional Reprobation.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
So in Calvinism election is that God does send some to hell and others not before the foundations of the world.
Westminster (Calvinism) Confession on Decrees.
III. By the decree of God, for the manifestation of His glory, some men and angels[6] are predestinated unto everlasting life; and others foreordained to everlasting death.[7]
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
IV. These angels and men, thus predestinated, and foreordained, are particularly and unchangeably designed, and their number so certain and definite, that it cannot be either increased or diminished.[8]
So in true Calvinism God does send people to hell and has unconditionally elected them and has given them irresistible evil in order to go there.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
In Calvinism man does not go to hell by their sin nature as if it was passed passively to all mankind but in the logic of true Calvinism sin entered the world and was imputed to Adam irresistibly apart from any faith on mans part whatsoever.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
So it matters not if Adam passed sin to all man because God passed sin to man (Adam) in Calvinism as a primary cause, causally and irresistibly to Adam so it logically follows that our sin nature in Calvinism is primarily and unconditionally caused and given primarily to all of mankind or what you could call unmeritted evil.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
So in conclusion if you do not believe God sends people to hell then you are not and cannot be a true Calvinist. Calvinists that believe God does not send people to hell are easily proven to be in contradiction and have not carefully followed Calvinist logic to its conclusion.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
LOL. You are STILL describing Hyper-Calvinism as true Calvinism. You STILL DON'T understand Calvinism. God did not positively give us our sin nature. God Gave Adam Freedom and Liberty; ADAM FELL giving to his decedents a Sinful Nature. Reprobation is the choice to LEAVE man in his sinful nature. Election is the Choice to redeem certain men out of just condemnation. Please stop adding to what we believe with what you think we believe.
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DoctrinesofGraceBapt 2 years ago
If you kept reading the Westminster Confession you would have seen the following: The rest of mankind, God was pleased TO PASS BY, and to ordain them to dishonor and wrath FOR THEIR SIN, to the praise of his glorious justice. (Westminster Conf. III.VII)
Please notice that the rest of your comments are NOT logical derived from what you quoted. You ADDED an interpretation to what you quoted from the Confession.
God Bless.
DoctrinesofGraceBapt 2 years ago
Why, O why, does You-tube remove grammatical symbols? There were three periods between 'God was pleased' and 'to pass by'. I was correctly quoting the passage from the confession while saving the character count. Sorry.
God Bless.
DoctrinesofGraceBapt 2 years ago
This is a response to Calvinists and DoctrinesofGraceBapt rediculous logic he just posted. Spurgeon has no authority here.
(Calvinist logic) I am so greatful I do not have a free will and sin was all of the Calvinist gods and not of myself. Because if if I had a free will I actually would be responsible for sin. And since sin is all of you God as I am a Calvinist
I could not add to my sin as I can only do what you decreed for me before the foundations of the world.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
So god of Calvinism I glory in your evil creating and evil giving and I received it against my will since nothing is reciprocal Calvinist god thank you so much for my sin all glory to you as I can not take credit for it myself as my evil was truly unmerited as nothing is done but by you because you did not merely know I would sin but you are the author if all evil.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
And since sin was all of you and not my self since I have no reciprocal will in Calvinism, I thank you also for saving me after you did such a sorry thing to me as giving me my evil because I could not have done evil without you because that would rob you of glory as nothing is done outside of you.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
All of those in hell oh Calvinist god could not have kept from going their but by your irresistable sin you created for us praise be to you. So thank you for my sin as I know I am not truly responsible and I repent for your evil creating. Thanks for being partial to me even though you said partiality is sin but you can sin if you want to.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
BTW: This quote was commonly referred to as the Prayer of the (consistent) Arminian. It is meant to show the listener the inherent arrogance within Arminian thought. At least, it should show the Arminian what Calvinists are thinking when they here these theological explanations.
It was not an argument. It was meant to reflect the poem found in this video. I see nothing in this quote that is taken out of context, however the is much that was taken out of context in your poem.
God Bless.
DoctrinesofGraceBapt 2 years ago
Hi Pastor Steve! have you read A.W. Pink's "The Soveriegnty of God"? What do you think of it? One thing is clear to me, God does not send people to Hell, we are already headed there because of our sin nature. I thank the Lord He has been merciful and sent His Holy Spirit to minister to me. How are we to understand the Doctrine of Election? There are so many verses that illustrate this Doctrine in the Bible; Acts 13:48, Ephesians 1:4-6, 11-12, 2 Timothy 1:9, Revelation 17:8, Romans 8:28-30
Rockero562 2 years ago
I replied to you from the top of the thread. Thanks Steve
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
Lord, I thank thee I am not like those poor presumptuous Calvinists Lord, I was born with a glorious free-will; I was born with power by which I can turn to thee of myself; I have improved my grace. If everybody had done the same with their grace that I have, they might all have been saved. Lord, I know thou dost not make us willing if we are not willing ourselves. Thou givest grace to everybody; some do not improve it, but I do.
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DoctrinesofGraceBapt 2 years ago
There are many that will go to hell as much bought with the blood of Christ as I was; they had as much of the Holy Ghost given to them; they had as good a chance, and were as much blessed as I am. It was not thy grace that made us to differ; I know it did a great deal, still I turned the point; I made use of what was given me, and others did not-that is the difference between me and them."
Excerpt from C.H. Spurgeon's Sermon: Free Will- A Slave
God Bless
DoctrinesofGraceBapt 2 years ago
DoctrinesofGraceBapt you know your argument is merely a weak attempt to proclaim your inncocence as in Calvinism evil is all of Gods and your reprobation was unconditional thus you are just trying to blame God for your evil.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
Let me reply, ????????
I don't know what you are talking about. I presented one quote from Spurgeon, I made a statement, and I also asked for scriptural backing for a claim you made in this video. There was no argument presented in my comments, so I don't know what you are talking about in your reply.
God Bless.
DoctrinesofGraceBapt 2 years ago
'As you must receive God's Love to be saved. Receiving is reciprocal,and you must receive the gift of Salvation.'
5 min 12-20 seconds.
This statement is 100% TRADITION. I challenge you to Prove it from scripture.
God Bless.
PS: To apply an eisegetical understanding of John 3:16 to Matthew 5 is wrong. Matt 5:45 explains HOW God loves his enemies. Why should one ADD to this understanding of loving your enemies Unilateral, Salvational Omnibenevolence?
DoctrinesofGraceBapt 2 years ago
God is the author of evil in Calvinism. The point is not whether sin is passed to mankind as this passing on of sin is truly by secondary cause. The point is not whether Satan was forced as this establishes secondary cause. The point is not if the death of Jesus was decreed as this truly establishes secondary cause.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
The Calvinist contradiction is how evil was authored. That is the error in Calvinism as Adam did not yet have a sin nature therefore sin in Calvinism was primarily caused by God thus He authored it in Calvinism and has given all men irresistible and unmerited evil. In Calvinism sin and evil is authored as nothing happens outside of Gods decrees.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
There is no pluralism in non-Calvinism as God decreed Adams free will.
Genesis 2:16
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
And decreed a law.
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Not libertarian free will because of the law but free will nevertheless.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
So it logically follows when God decreed the free will of man He primarily decreed free will. Therefore anything following would be truly a secondary cause. In Calvinism God remains the primary cause, as Adam did not have a free will. Therefore in Calvinism God remain the author and finisher of evil. Also in non-Calvinism this is not dualism as God has created the free will therefore nothing exists a=outside of God and His aseity remains in tact.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
Only in non-Calvinism is true secondary cause established. So yes in Calvinism God is the primary cause of all evil murder and rape. Thus in Calvinism Adam received irresistible evil as God in Calvinism authored it.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
Interesting solafide. Total Depravity holds that the natural man cannot even contemplate God and the knowledge of Him or their need for redemption. But yet Romans 1 as you now admit says man does know but exchanges the truth for the lie. This exchange could only be realized in that depravity is not inability.
Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
That is not true,The natural man can understand and contemplate God and the knowledge of Him or their need for redemption.The broblem is the more they contemplate the more they HATE God.They cannot see God value spiritually b/c they are spiritually DEAD.Thats why Rom.1:21
1689Baptist 2 years ago
Gbf,
There is a difference in natural ability and moral ability. All men have the natural capacity to repent and believe, what they lack is the moral ability. That is where there inability comes from.
Please actually study calvinist theologians, and not just characature them you would know these things.
Have you even studied natural and moral ability?
God Bless.
SolaFideinChrist 2 years ago
reformedman
I have been familiar with the contradictions in the Reformed confessions for the last 20 years. Perhaps you should consider them more carefully before you logically blame God for your evil. Calvinism makes God the author and finisher of evil. All glory to the Calvinist god! Calvinism believes God hates the world. Come on are you now saying God loves anyone that is not regenerated in Calvinism? This is just more consistent Calvinistic contradictions.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
How can I lead people into a twisted interpretation? In Calvinism God decrees everything that comes to pass even murder and rape. If I can lead someone, presupposes they have a free will.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
The context for John 3:16 is established when we look further to John 3:19 where the same Greek word for world (kosmos) is used to describe those who are also condemned. So this would be the world.
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
I know it is customary in Calvinism to try to point out that the Bible does not usually mean what it clearly says but has a hidden meaning.
GBFNorwalk 2 years ago
If you will look I think there are 3 different uses for kosmos in Jn.3 alone.
1689Baptist 2 years ago
"In Calvinism God decrees everything that comes to pass even murder and rape."
Well, God decreed the most heineous murder of all time, that was the shedding of his sons Blood under guilty hands.
Norwalk do you actually believe there are things that come to pass that God does not decree(Lam 3:38)? Do you not acknowlege that God not only suggest to Satan what he should do(Job 1:8) but also limits his freedom to only doing what he decreed(Job 1:12) ?
Are you a dualist?
SolaFideinChrist 2 years ago
Gbf,
God is the ultimate cause of Evil, ANY theologian believes this. One can be the cause iwthout being the author.
This is why without acknowleging using the secondary means of voulentary creatures your view of the bible as a whole is warped.
Lam. 3:38
SolaFideinChrist 2 years ago
GBFNorwalk, please review the different interpretations for the word 'world' that are found in the NT and also see that there are different applications to the word 'agape'. You don't agape your wife the same way that you do a brother in Christ and yet both are used in the NT. You should really study before making these deceptive videos, you are leading people to a twisted interpretation. In a few years from now you will have wished you went slowly and more carefully, your zeal will hurt many.
reformedman 2 years ago
great video
iToyRobot 2 years ago
LOLOL LOve the poem
1689Baptist 2 years ago
LOL.
Isn't it amazing how he "abandoned them without ever revealing himself to them"?!?!
I guess he totally forgot Romans 1! LOL. They are condemned by nature. Not by rejecting the Gospel call(although that adds to condemnation)
SolaFideinChrist 2 years ago