HHO MAX 004 - Best production thus far

[onazolcris]

I MADE THE MATH: About 4.5% is the diference

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02:49169108.33333338.333333333

02:41161104.54545454.545454545

02:42162104.5161294.516129032

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02:3615692.307692317.692307692

02:3415495.652173914.347826087

02:3515595.679012354.320987654

[anthonybyork]

Nicely done. I have been experimenting with this project for a while with positive results. I have found that if you use 30 volts and around .8 amps you don't have a temp problem. Plus I don't know how your plates are arranged but I placed mine in a +-+-+- pattern of course but only the first - and third + are attached to power on a 6 plate plan. Good Luck! Hope you work out the details. Remember finding the frequency of water bondage could help with less power also!

[MajorUtah]

The Berkley Professor noted;

electrons always draw and collect at the sharp points of any conductor..try sanding and -polishing- those sharp edges..especially the corners..

I'll be posting my 304-SS woven cable, doped in a super fine Al+Ga-->and Ni+C-Graphite --> Nano powder--> an evil experiment I'm working on..

I've done something similar, but like an ass I incl;copper.. yeah, nothing like green saturated substrate..

By the way, _very beautiful_ diffusion reactors..

Hoorah *Xy;

[Fusion8r]

Thanks!

I'll be looking out for your post.

[sheriffav8r]

Awesome job! Is that really 0.025 inches or .25 inches as in 1/4 inch? Looks like the spacing is farther apart than half a millimeter. Also, how many plates are in each cell and are there any neutrals?

[Fusion8r]

Thanks, yes its really 0.050" and 0.025". It may be a little deceving because the top and bottom of the plates have been ground to a point, to help reduce current leakage.

The cell that is spaced at 0.025" starts in the video at 3:15.

To give a size relation, the container is 5" in diameter. The cell at the beginning is the 0.050" and is 1.016" thick, the 0.025" cell is 0.716" thick.

There are 13 plates, with 10 neutrals.

+nnnnn-nnnnn+

Thanks for the intrest.

Fusion8r

[Fusion8r]

If you are new to this HHO stuff, this is considered a WET cell.

In the near future I will be building a DRY cell, they are much more efficient.

Check out LutherP40 at

/view_play_list?p=665B6B7E0FF8­37F7(add to youtube . com) he has a "EBN" dry cell that he bought.

I will build one similar.

Fusion8r

[Dennism57]

So what was the optimum spacing and what did you use to obtain this? Does the stell thickness affect current flow or this more trealted to spacing? Nice videos!

[Fusion8r]

Optimum is how ever you are capable of constructing your cell to be. I have the cell spaced at 0.025", which was more efficient than 0.050".

To determin the number of neutrals depends how much voltage is going to be applied. Then you build your cell to the spacing your'e capable of. Then you add your water, with voltage applied you add your electrolyte. When it reaches the amps desired stop adding electrolyte. But you have to plan on amps rising when the temp. rises over time.

CONT...

[Fusion8r]

But you could always add a PWM to limit your amp draw.

Hope this helps.

If you have more questions, just ask. I'll do my best.

Thanks

Fusion8r

[clydrobe]

is that J-pop in the background?

lol

[patinhouston]

looks like you have a double head on top...two tops bolted apart on the top.. WHY...I'm curious what purpose. good quality it appears.

[Fusion8r]

the lower one is glued to the acrylic tube. It has been tapped for the nylon bolts that retain the lid so it can be removed. I encountered one problem, though. the lower piece should have been glued closer to the top of the tube. because the tube ended up cracking the portion above it. I think, because, glue shrinks acylic slightly. So, either side of the glue joint wants to expand. Since it has nowhere to go it cracks.

thanks for the question.

Fusion8r

[20glen20]

dud3man, Meyer's work is using a different type of water splitting. Where he uses Very Voltage and limits the current through electronic circuitry and high resistance cell. You may like to do a Google search on Dave Lawton Meyer replication to check out some action.

Good experimenting fusion8r. I suspect this unit was about 4 Watts per Litre per Hour.

If you want to test for higher efficiency - check out Bob Boyce Hydroxy.

Glenn.

[alyjome]

hey great work fusion8r! im about to start building my own cell too, and u might just be the perfect one to help me! so the ss plates, do they actually touch? and how do u arrange the positive and the negative? and so far what is the most efficient spacing? the solution, so water and KOH is the mixture that gives the best yield of hho? theres this 2 filipino, dingle is the pioneer then glenn castillo whom i watched his demo, im not sure if his reactor even uses electicity.

[dud3man6969]

So the high voltage at high (or resonant) frequency stuff, Stan Meyer's claims, don't work?

[Fusion8r]

Please refer to the reply to the comment below.

Thank you

Fusion8r

[julioluko]

So briefly what is the most efficient gap or how would you summarize your findings?

[Fusion8r]

HHO MAX cell is on hold, I've moved on to other very promising projects. Just like Stan Meyer's research, it didn't stop with electrolysis. But, basically I'm not statisfied with the results of HHO even at the efficiency I've achieved and even the efficiency that ZeroFossilFuel has reached. I think there are better ways for fuel efficiency of an ICE.

Thanks for watching and commenting.

Fusion8r

[clark714x4]

Way to go Fusion8r! I'm finish some work on thicker SS plates verses thinner plates. Your work on gaps will help me. Thanks.

[67Cowboy]

Well if I worked at NASA or was an MIT graduate maybe I could decipher what all this means, but since none of this was covered at my University or local library I am still polluting. I wish I could learn how to do this !!! Hey I'm not all dumb, I did follow all the instructions and got a You-Tube account; Could you give good instructions like You-Tube ?!?

[YiuTeub]

Also might there be more gas being generated than you think. Pushing up on a bottle in water is a crude method. It acts like a suction cup, plunger etc, the more you pull and the higher you bring it the harder it is to pull. More gas to lift it the last inch of the bottle vs the first inch/compression of gas? Or is HHO not like this. It does expand under vac and heat so ambient temps effect readings too? Im not a friggin scientist but I hope someone understands what im getting at.

[Fusion8r]

thanks for the comment Mass production is not what we are looking for right now(anyone can build a huge cell with 50+ plates and dump in a bunch of KOH and supply unlimited current) I am giving proof that spacing is the key So, its a consistent form of measuring gas output Every test I make I note current, time, and temp And when I compare to the same temp as the last test made with different cell spacing and see that efficiency is higher I know I have made an improvement, ALSO sand your plates!

[YiuTeub]

I do sand plates. Also my last arrangement was different and things were too close and while drilling plates were touching in a not so good manner ;) spark spark weld weld. Anyway nice work. I have a small car so I have very limited space thats why i origionally started closer plate arrangments.

[oystla]

So 154 seconds/liter at 14V / 7 amps gives 51% efficiency. Keep on testing...

[YiuTeub]

Where and how do you do your efficiency equations??

[Fusion8r]

good question...I got these from

overunity * com

VOLTS*AMPERES*SECONDS/3600=X (note:seconds per litre)

then 2.15/X = ?%efficiency

2.15 WATTHOURperLITRE=100%efficienc­y

OR

7.75 MLperMINperWATT=100%effiecienc­y

OR

129 WATTSperMINperLITRE=100%effici­ency

[PeteDog444]

Beautiful construction of a container and measuring device. The information you have posted is invaluable to all of us, thanks. Have you considered trying test with higher DC voltages after you done with your spacing test?

[Fusion8r]

Thank You for the nice comment!!

I'm not sure what to think about high voltage... my goal is to apply this to my car, which is 14.4V I would like to supply 16 to 18V to give me about 1.5Vs per gap, but we'll see...always learning and thinking of new and better ideas... I've got some GOOD ones, I just need more time....hmmm, maybe I need a "time" machine :)

Fusion8r

[johthe]

Nice, better one. 13,99V * 7A * 155s = 15179,15W/L Temp from 25C to 25,33C

[Fusion8r]

thanks...this weekend, I'll be rebuiling the cell thats spaced at 0.050"(1.27mm) to somewhere around 0.012"(0.3048mm) spacing :)

Fusion8r

[babyella07]

great stuff. I hae just recieved my new containers so I will be building my new cells soon, using closer plate spacing. Nice 1!

[Fusion8r]

thanks yella :)