Apollo vs Orion

[BeeryUSA]

Do we really need the stupid overblown music? Please!

[TheSaltysack]

orion my ass this craft is a excuese so that wen u see a ufo they will tell you its a orion

[NotHowToGameInc]

@TheSaltysack ... Dude, it's not a UFO mockup or something stupid as that. It's a spacecraft that will take us to the moon or mars. Do some research, buddy. It helps you out in ways you wouldn't expect.

[StanfordUFan]

@artemus21 i dont blame you i'm 13 and i dont like it

[Craigthepope]

Great video

[1234shmulik]

what is the difference between the pink and the blue men???

[dks13827]

Vasimir is a teensie tiny lab only engine.

[biggseye]

it's 1960's spam in a can all over,,,,,,

[artemus21]

That "music" sounds like dirt. I just don't get it. It is so simple. It's doesn't add to the information presented in the video. It's noise. A water fall or rain is noise but it doesn't piss me off. This "music" offends me. Maybe that's the point, to piss off your daddy? Or more likely your daddy taught you to like this music to piss off his daddy, your grand daddy? Just to to fair, I'm 57, I don't do drugs, and I'm smart. Maybe that's why I can't relate?

[AstronautiCAST]

@artemus21 you're 57 and yet you feel the need to comment about music you don't like on a video where the music is probably not the most important part.

Who's the troubled kid now?

Get over it, man.

[evinado1]

@AstronautiCAST no...artemus is right... the music fucking blows.... distracts from the video...

[BrettSkeet712]

@artemus21 I'm 20, I don't do drugs, I have an IQ of 120, I'm studying astronomy and theology, and I can still appreciate music from your generation and my own.

[Titankilla1982]

id like to see one of these with Dragon vs Orion



[japanesesen]

Brilliant!! Amazing technology and research moving forward altogether!! Awesome video!!

[pm0501]

Too sad that we're reverting to 1960's technology when shuttle class vehicles could have been improved.

[KinaNafasi]

@pm0501 totally agree on your comment about Orion space craft. Just seems we should be further along.

[ti994apc]

Actually Orion was downgraded to only have 4 people. The Dragon capsule which is a lot more capable than Orion for Mars and Moon missions does hold 7 people.

[A86]

@ti994apc - Holding more people =/= More capable

How many people a craft holds isn't what makes it more or less advanced. The Dragon capsule holds 7 people but there are no serious plans for it to take anyone to the Moon. The Dragon cannot take anyone to Mars unless you mean acting as a ferry to a longship. However, SpaceX has no plans for making any such ship capable of supporting humans for over a year on a Martian roundtrip. The Orion is capable of landing on an asteroid.

[thereluctantspaceman]

@A86 It could have been wrong but I read the Orion is not capable of landing on an asteroid much less attempting a mission to one.

[A86]

@ti994apc - Though to be fair NASA has no serious blueprints for a ship that can support humans for the duration of a trip to an asteroid and back either. Both the Dragon and the Orion can't last more than 60 days (maybe 80-120 days max) without being attached to the International Space Station or some kind of station like a Bigelow Aerospace station. No one right now has any serious funding or plans for stuff beyond LEO despite Obama's posturing.

[AustralianPyro]

i bet the kerbal space agency could make a shuttle replacement.

[KinaNafasi]

a sad step backwards for the space program. piece of junk. where is Vasimar or whatever they call it. We can do this! why step backwards?

[AgrivatedKillah]

@KinaNafasi Vasimir will be tested in one-two years..don't worry.

[usaeagle1776]

well, for now we are gonna be hitching rides with the Russkies like a third world crap hole. wonderful.

[obhuicoksetyaetse1]

obama is a fuck

[Hyta000]

Why the noise?

[smeghead666]

@Hyta000 cos if that thing had legs, and arms it'd be a badass rocker

[TheHotelMoxa]

I hope that the americans will launch the first manned Orion missions before 2015,it's shameful for such a great country ro really only on the Soyuez till then.

[usaeagle1776]

@TheHotelMoxa totally agree. outrageous it came to this.

[Sciencian]

Great..40 years later, that's what we get. Trillions spent looking for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and bailing out corrupt bankers..Less than 10 billion for NASA , hence you get a bigger apollo..40 years later.

[NeutralNegotiator]

@Sciencian Yep, reality sucks. I only hope to live long enough to see that space shuttle was not the peak of our space endeavor. Because this thing, orion, is a real step back to basics.

On the other hand, maybe the shuttle was a wrong turn...maybe its silly to built a spacecraft that looks like an aircraft....but orion is far more away from what you would like to call a spacecraft

[SatoTM3]

so they just filled the extra space they got on the new one with more electronics basicly

[dcb1138]

What I mean is that all the NASA astronauts should up and quit !. NONe of them are going to do much (if any flying) in the near future. They ar wasting their time. We have no replacement of the Shuttle

[SaMaG37]

@dcb1138 the shuttle was shitty and dangerous. these new rockets are much better than saturn v and the shuttle. They are state of the art.

[dcb1138]

@SaMaG37 I agree with you 101% but the Orion isn't going to be built under Obama's new 2011 plan. Its just an "escape vehicle" and will no't be launched manned. He really screwed the astronauts over !! All the USA has now are Russian rockets for manned space missions....pretty sad.

[Jimbob8971]

@dcb1138 the reason why its not gonna be built is because it would never get us past the moon something which i would call a waste of money so obama has basicly saved nasa from its own grave which bush created.

[MightySaturn5]

@Jimbob8971 ...you're full of turkey shit

[Jimbob8971]

@MightySaturn5 you're a troll

[MightySaturn5]

@Jimbob8971 ...yeah, great response Jimmie boy...try it again except this time wipe your neighbors dogs semen off your face before typing

[Jimbob8971]

@MightySaturn5 yeah like you're full of turkey shit was a good comeback anyways have you responded to me just to have an argument.

[MightySaturn5]

@Jimbob8971 Jimmie boy, you telling me the previous president created Nasa's grave and that black belt Jones is actually saving them? thats pretty cool Jimmie boy, thanks for the info but I think it was really me that accidently did the grave creating since I have grave concerns for you Jimmy boy, just to let you know every time I say "grave concerns" I say it like Andy Griffith did the time he found out that Aunt Bea was actually the town whore

[Jimbob8971]

@MightySaturn5 nope i was was telling dcb1138 that not you

[Beergut222]

@Jimbob8971 You eat your own snot, don't you? I would call you a friggin' idiot, but you probably already know that, don't you?

[meerapot]

@SaMaG37 but i guess this can not be used to conduct experiments like in the shuttle ... it s just a hi tech taxi ! I loved the shuttle design n i will terribly miss it !

[candr]

@SaMaG37 LOL the shuttle and the saturn v were state of the art in their day. in thirty years the Orion will look laughable to those that come later. The curse of progress is that the old technologies will be compared with the new which is actually unreasonable, but you have to start somewhere. The Wright Flyer can not compare with a 767, but was a masterpiece of its time.

[IDOlanguage]

ma che meraviglia!2 minuti di una chiarezza impressionante!

[rocketshipstud6]

if we don't have money for space program then president pigmy should not spend money on illegal mexican invaders or haiti voodo-ers...we now are just cosmonauts of interkosmos-usa with the russians!

[dcb1138]

IF the astronauts had ANY balls...they would strike NASA and quit. Man - up you losers and make some noise. They F*$ked you guys.

[pacificguitarist]

@dcb1138

uh... what?

[AgrivatedKillah]

@dcb1138 Why would they quit?

Chemical rockets are inefficient anyway.. I hope I can study these things and hopefully make a difference later.

[19thSFGA]

This is the kind of "Forward" thinking that goes on at NASA.With this program cancelled every one of the astronauts should have to prove why they should be retained and paid at taxpayer expense.Now we can see if they have the "Right Stuff" to live in the working world that is reality for the rest of us.most cant afford to go on a vaction but we get to send these cowboys on a space vacation with no real return for our money.

[garyegray]

Many of these astronauts worked their tails off getting bachelor's and master's and PhD's to compete for a few slots at NASA to be a astronaut. Most people who pursue this route end up working as engineers in the "real" world.

[oldwhitehouse]

@19thSFGA NASA is not the reason you aren't taking a vacation this year. You can blame that on the "economy experts" on wall street. As far as no real return for your money. Many of the products NASA develops for astronauts are used by you in your home everyday. Their research leads to thinks like better insulation for your home and more fuel efficient vehicles. Friend most of your tax dollars are paying for welfare, unemployment, and social security.

[qwochito]

wow havent we improved over 50 years hahaha.. what a shit spacecraft

[Xoranium]

Ya, Billions of tax payers money over the past 50 years in R&D and all they did was buy a pencil with a fatter point....... WTF???

[ww2footage]

This concept is totally unlogical, why that "going through atmosphere" stuff if they are flying to the moon wtf? They dont need it there, its just dead weight(tons of unnecesarry dead weight!), they can fly ,land there , go back and then just go to some near orbit space station or to some space shuttle of soyuz and land...

[EdouardDubois]

...?

What exactly are you trying to say?

[dirtTdude]

try not to open your mouth so much, it makes you look stupid...

[ryusanbusa]

Docking that thing on like the ISS? Are you fking serious...? It would take an enormous amount of fuel to slow down and adjust onto a stable orbit... and docking is a whole 'nother story. There is way more risk in docking a space craft traveling and thousands of miles per hour, than going strait back down to Earth... take some time and think about that...

[whydontyouwork]

To all those negative comments out there, the original design of the apollo capsule is a good design, "if it aint broke dont fix it" plus it fits well on top of a rocket. unless you want to start building a ship in orbit to get there.

[kryptoniterxn117]

all these negative comments. i wonder what backed their criticism. on the other hand, nasa scientists have only a dozen more degrees and decades of experience more than these computer warrior armed with a keyboard.

[ww2footage]

I am smarter than all of them together

[JorickHorn]

Then build a damned rocket yourself, big guy.

[oldwhitehouse]

@kryptoniterxn117 Your saying that a going to college makes you wiser and it doesn't. Besides a whole lot of people who worked for NASA have some pretty harsh things to say about it. It is necessary to understand what your talking about but blowing someone off just because they don't work at NASA is hypocritical.

[Rob260259]

@kryptoniterxn117

Noticed some of them, too. Well, I think most of these negative comments are based upon belief in conspiracies, hoaxes, distrust, delusion and ignorance.

Good comment, by the way.

[thereluctantspaceman]

@kryptoniterxn117 And that's supposed to mean what exactly? If you won't take a lyman's word that something's wrong with NASA then go read what a lot of former NASA managers and astronauts have to say about todays space program. You'll find their opinions eerily similar to those of many of the nobodies on this channel.

[ti994apc]

@kryptoniterxn117 Its because NASA makes bone headed decisions like insisting on reusing Shuttle parts that failed us all in safety and cost. Its because the public demands more from less money, just like in the private sector. Finally, its because Dragon already exists and it better than Orion.

[szlamx]

Are you sure the name of the band is "Nanowar"? ;)

[EdouardDubois]

We're just not ready for a space plane, the Columbia disaster showed that well enough.

We could use fancy exotic and more capable technology, but NASA would need a huge boost in funding to make it happen.

As is, we'll have to settle for old-style capsules. At least you can be comforted that you have the nicest capsule out of any nation.

[ww2footage]

Yea, NASA is typically socialist state company with monopole so totally uneffective band of overpayed amateurs whose target is not progress but controll and securing their monopole

[EdouardDubois]

I don't see how... that had much to do with my above comment.

I was saying NASA would need more funding to advance, you're just badmouthing it.

[Eschatus2]

So this is the BIG NASA technological accomplishment after 40 long years (1969 to 2009)???

This is like graduating from a goat cart to a mule cart AFTER 40 years. LOL!

[JorickHorn]

It's not like we've been designing the whole time. The space program has been pretty much stagnant since the space shuttle went into service.

[Eschatus2]

Technology has been marching on in progress & quantum leaps regardless of the PUBLICLY aborted Apollo Missions & the program's stagnation. What makes you think space exploration ceased? This is a NASA lie. A covert/stealth space program has since been maintained. NASA needs to use some of the new & secret technologies, i.e. anitgravitical propulsion, like they use on their secret missions to Mars since the 70s. This parallel space program that conceals the stealth program needs to be exposed.

[JorickHorn]

OH! I see, you're not mistaken, you're completely crazy!

No wonder.

[Eschatus2]

And you are rude. Did I call you names because I don*t agree with you? No. People who cannot justify their position always resort to character assassination and name calling as their only recourse of action.

[JorickHorn]

lol I have argued for ages with people with far more contrived beliefs than you. I know when I've met someone whose beliefs won't fall to evidence. You are it. You assassinated your own character, man, I just called it.

Hence, I make no argument.

[Eschatus2]

Good luck w/ your dreary amateur & choppy *PRETENDING* to try to get into film school; you*ll really need it, LOL! I*ve been an independent film/TV art director in Hollywood for 38 years, an Emmy & Cable ACE Awards Judge & I*m listed in the Hollywood Reporter Bluebook. I*ve worked w/ the GREATS from John DeCuir, Sr. to Harper Goff & Ray Bradbury. With great certitude I can assure you that your vain attempt @ film is a total abortion lacking originality, wit & a filmmakers eye & I call it as is.

[JorickHorn]

Really original. You go to my channel and attack my prize.

Dude, that was my portfolio. I haven't even started into the major yet, and that was a work of art for an amateur like me. It's obviously good enough to have gotten me into film school, because it did. And you haven't shown yourself to be a reliable source of information, either, so I'll take your claims to fame with a grain of salt. And your youtube channel is pretty bare-bones for a filmmaker.

[oldwhitehouse]

@Eschatus2 I feel like a little more compassion than Jorick or perhaps it's shear stupidity on my behalf but I'll let you in on the facts. No man has set foot on Mars and even the most optimistic physicists have trouble explaining just how anti-gravity should work. Needless to say anti-gravity represents a significant leap in technological advancement. Think near-angel beings or post-humans using that kind of stuff.

[Eschatus2]

From what I've read over the past 4 decades what you refer to as "near-angel beings or post-humans" (relayed by Hitler as the "New Man, intrepid yet cruel, a splendid being") are already here. There was an alien tech-human exchange "treaty" forged under Eisenhower Ad between ETs & the World Black Government hidden from superficial goings-on of NASA & surface politics in parallel black-ops using techs nearly a century more in advance than familiar techs that are publicly known.

[oldwhitehouse]

@JorickHorn I always point out that NASA lost three men getting to the moon and over twice that just putting astronauts into orbit. It seems to me that something has changed between now and then.

[JorickHorn]

I'm confused about the direction you're taking with that argument...

[pacificguitarist]

@oldwhitehouse

funding.

[WolYou]

Wow! Bigger? Thats all NASA has archieved in 30 years? This design is outdated its not necessary anymore. Youre stuck to old fashioned tech like the record companies are stuck to selling CDs. You need a new german engineer.

[billybobmacguyver]

To think about it though.... In the span of time humans have been traveling by sea, the design of ships changed only incrementally over the span of hundreds of years at a time. NASA knows what works and what they can afford. Being that an Apollo based design is a known factor, they decided to go with what they are most confident will work. It really is better than nothing.

[2242bzo]

In the new capsule design, there is a hazardous risk to the lower two astronauts of inhaling vicious fart smells from the above-placed astronauts. The designers forgot to include the fart factor.

[JorickHorn]

Okay, I've been defending the Orion capsule here, but when I read this, I lol'd.

[oomblikkies]

Hats off to the designers of the Apollo spacecraft. NASA could not after 50 years improve fundamentally on the Apollo design ... and to think NASA did go from nowhere to the moon in only 10 years. Those were the good ol days.

[moneyman10k]

they actually could improve on it. they just didnt because they wanted to save cost and risk by doing what they already had data on. (a dubious thing to do because it might not have saved much cost and risk)

experts actually agree that the soyuz headlamp design is better, and that is why china and spacex copied it

[CamiloSanchez1979]

molto benne il video

[Seaprimate]

They gave virtually no room to those astronauts. They're gonna go crazy in that capsule

[pacificguitarist]

capsule is mostly gonna be used for getting in/out of earth atmosphere, piloting, docking with ISS etc... they won't be living in there the whole time... for long duration missions there will be other places for them to chill in : )

[C4ille4n]

Celicavvt1

x 33 era un bel progetto su carta ma troppo azzardato ha fallito i test ed era pericoloso (+ dello space shuttle) già lo space shuttle è pericoloso figuriamoci x 33, le capsule orion si sono solo una (grande) miglioria delle apollo potevano fare kualkosa d meglio

[Celicavvt1]

Lo shuttle e' stato un evoluzione del modulo lunare del progetto Apollo, sinceramente provo una delusione per l'abbandono del progetto del X33 e per il futuro utilizzo del modulo Orion che e' praticamente solo un restyling del veicolo spaziale di 40 anni fa!

[GoodByeKyle]

good vid

hate teh noise

[C4ille4n]

Speriamo bene sulla luna sicuramente ci arriveranno (se c'e l'hanno fatta nel 69 -.-!)

Su Marte mispiace ma dovranno impegnarsi di piu'...

Spero solo che non avranno problemi seri durante il viaggo e nel rientro...

[C4ille4n]

Poi Orion viaggerà su un razzo di tipo Ares i nuovo di zecca. e il modulo lunare Altair partirà con un razzo ares V e si unirà al resto in orbita terrestre (nelle missioni apollo no) con una bella manovra rendezvous e aggancio!

[C4ille4n]

Lo Shuttle è un enorme passo indietro (x kuanto riguarda i voli spaziali oltre l'orbita terrestre)rispetto alle capsule apollo perkè nn è in grado di portare l'uomo verso lo spazio + profondo, il suo Orbiter nn ne è in grando puo' arrivare solo nelle zone basse dell atmosfera dv è la ISS.

[C4ille4n]

Orion e Apollo somo molto simili, possiamo definirlo una capsula Apollo rimodernizzata + astronauti, nuove strumentazioni, e cambio d'aria all interno della capsula (useranno ossigeno misto azoto) invece prima usavano l'ossigeno puro. Il modulo lunare Altair è molto simile al modulo lunare dell Apollo.

[ThomasGrillo]

Thanks for the aomparative look at the apollo, and orion craft. :)

[too000007]

แจ่มแจ๋ว..จิงๆๆ

[AnarchyAlleyCat]

in piu , le capsule Apollo non erano riusabili , le ORION si !!! , le Orion hanno anche un autonomia mooolto maggiore grazie anche ai paneli solari che avra !! in piu sara molto piu pratico nella combinazione con il Lunar Lander , orion FTW !

[Abanamat85]

Cool. Glad to see NASA's returning to Practical designs

[beckslash85]

Tutti sti anni x rifare un progetto vecchio di 40e+ anni in scala un po' più grande...L'idea di far viaggiare l'uomo nello spazio in capsule mi pare un passo indietro rispetto al progetto shuttle...

[AnarchyAlleyCat]

l'idea di far viaggiare l'uomo nello spazio cosi pero ti fa risparmiare tantissimo in soldi , tempo , e ti da tantissime garanzie. sai che quel tipo di vehicolo funziona , non parti da zero . cioe se una cosa l'hai imparata , hai visto che funziona , ottimo , si parte da quella base , andando a migliorare Lo Shuttle fu inventato non per portare l'umo nello spazio profondo , come luna e marte, ma per cose come voli orbitali , lanci di sateliti , o costruzione della SSI ,

[ThjeshtLife]

@beckslash85 ma lo sapevi che lo shuttle non puo' superare l'orbita terrestre?

[beckslash85]

@ThjeshtLife .........certo......ma è anche vero che non esistono solo le capsule per andare oltre LEO...

[NAVC130VET]

That is a great video and a really great breakdown on the size and volumne. Orion is Apollo on steroids

[A86]

@NAVC130VET - The Orion is capable of being refueld in space, it at least partially uses solar energy, is capable of being fitted with landing retrorockets and airbags, can be expanded to have an ISS-type bathroom and is capable of landing on an asteroid. It's much more capable than Apollo in many ways. Just because they outwardly look similar doesn't make them the same, just as the CST-100 is not the same as the Orion despite the similar look.

[natewebb]

I had to turn off the music it was so bad, but good video

[MarinosGo]

great vid but the song sucks

[bicebea]

Bellissimo!

[CriX098]

Hey, that was great! I didn't know people outside the US would be excited about this too. Good work!

[newenglander2009]

Very nice, gives a nice example of the size differences..

[kruaxiilferengi]

Fantastico.

Salute e Latinum per tutti !