Rabbi Shmuley Debates Richard Dawkins - Part 4

[reddoscar1]

Stop shouting your poorly constructed argument with even worse jokes.

[orz6]

So the atheists that Rabbi Shmuley admires, respects and is inspired by "get their ethics from religion" and the 'atheists' with mass murder and genocide justifying ethics don't.

That makes me think firstly that he's illogical, then I turned to all the evidence that the 'atheists' he mentioned were creating pseudo (if not blatant) religions based on themselves but then I realised that he was shouting and that means he's right- my bad.

[t0f0b0]

HITLER! EVOLUTION! HITLER! DARWIN! HITLER! ATHEISM! NAZIS!

Ugh...

[riggermortisify]

What a revolting coward Shmuley is.

A bad impression of Martin Luther King's style of public speaking along side emulating Hitler's body language doesn't negate the validity of what you say. I should know I just broke my kitchen table testing it out. And to make my comment a bit more valid: Schmuley? More like... uh, hm... Tool-ey?.. No wait, Poo-ley! Oh wait, Fool... no, doesn't work. I think I'll go for Zuul-ley. Ghostbusters says he's evil. Without god it wouldn't exist so it must be true.

[ronpaulbot]

I WANT TO GO TO THE SCHMULEY SCHOOL OF DEBATING!!!!!!!!!!!AAARGHH!

[valiant21920]

Shouting loudly your points doesn't make you any less wrong

[christo930]

Why is rape wrong then? No mention of THAT in the 10 commandments. Plenty of room for coveting thy neighbors goods, bot none for rape. Fucking pathetic.

[DaGavinX]

Dawkins, please, shut the nutjob up!

[TheGasLamp]

Shumley's insecurity in the argument he tries so desperately to convince people of is painfully obvious considering he feels it necessary to yell it to his listeners. I'm much more impressed with people like Dawkins and Chomskey and Hitchens because, even in moments when they do raise their voice, its not imperative that they do so in order to make their points. A cool, calm demeanor tends to open the mind up for the message and this idiot needs to learn that.

[1navyseal1962]

wtf the quostion for the jew is this why did god give da whole bible only to da hebrews that itself is hatred

[thinkalott33]

AND NO GOD DOSE NOT CHANGE . BUT MAN HAS CHALLANGED GOD . BUT YOU CANT EVEN GET PASS DEATH . YOU HAVE NO POWER . GOD SAID . MR MYSTISME ? HE WILL MAKE A NEW CONTRACT WITH MAN . AND GIVE HIM THE CHANCE TO REDEAM HIS SEFT . HOW WOULD YOU FEAL IF YOU MADE SOMETHING OUT OF CLAY . BLEW LIFE IN TO IT . AND NOW IT TALKS BACK TO YOU . AND NOW IT HATES YOU . MAN LOVE DARKNESS . IF MAN WAS TO TURN FROM HIS EVILS . DEATH ,SIN,HATE ? ALL THAT WOULD RUN FROM THE EARTH . MAY GODS KINDOM COME . AMAN ?

[5anthonys]

@thinkalott33 Stop shouting!!! And learn to spell, you ignorant fool!

[thinkalott33]

@5anthonys wow some body had a bad child hood . i will never stop telling the truth so dont hold your breath ....

[5anthonys]

@thinkalott33 Where's your evidence for the lies you tell?

[thinkalott33]

@5anthonys Even if i told you the truth you would still think is was a lie . becuase you beleave in men . you put your hope in nothing but your words . if i am wrong and there is no God . Nothintg happends to me because there is no one there to punish me . But if you are wrong and there is a God you loose everything . I like my odds better !

[5anthonys]

@thinkalott33 You'll spend the only life you'll ever get as a slave to an imaginary being created by your ancestors. Why not enjoy it and reject the silly little man in the sky concept? Why would anyone go to Hell if they live a good and righteous life? (especially if they live in a part of the world where God isn't part of their culture - let's say some indigenous tribe in South America). Answer that one, dumbo?

[thinkalott33]

@5anthonys like i say one day you will see . there is a end to everything . And your life will one day come to a end . And you will see whats on the other side . And then tell me if everything you see is imaginary !

[thinkalott33]

@5anthonys ok satans child i done had enouph . as your father the devil dances in your head . and teaches you to lay in the mud and eat with the swines of life . and all you have is your anger to show for it . and your empty hearts . as you turn like a raven dogs on the person that made you . take a look at satans children gatherd around Gods child like hugry wolfs mad at the joy of Gods children . wanting to be free but dont no how . because satans children are prisoners of there own hate .

[5anthonys]

@thinkalott33 Learn to spell!  Where is your evidence for the existence of your god? There is just as much evidence for a 'Pink Unicorn'. Stop wasting your life! Go forth and fornicate. Enjoy your life and put two fingers up to your imaginary friend. Your peers have been lying to you all your life. There is no god. Show me the evidence!

[thinkalott33]

@5anthonys SORRY BUT YOU DONT GET ANY EVIDENCE SATANS CHILD !

[5anthonys]

@thinkalott33 Stop shouting! Satan doesn't exist either. He's just a figment of your imagination. You have no evidence for your God then?

[5anthonys]

thinkalott33 Isn't it ironic that humans have spent millions of years reaching the top of the evolutionary ladder only then to deny it as Creationism?

[thinkalott33]

@5anthonys sound like your loosing

[5anthonys]

@thinkalott33 Atheists are people who can live with doubt and uncertainty. They think it’s much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers which might be wrong. They have different degrees of certainty about different things, and are not absolutely sure of anything. In fact, there are many things they don’t know. But they don’t have to have an answer. They don’t feel frightened by being lost in the mysterious Universe without having any purpose - which is how it really is.

[thinkalott33]

@chantervz LOL THE TRUTH HURT DONT IT

[Punkeloco]

Is Rabbi Shmuley taking in account all the Native Americans that were killed in the name of religion?

[Punkeloco]

the louder..the more stupid and annoying he sounds..

[mystisme]

thy shall not kill yep tell me so in the okd tastament you can kill homesexual. a woman thet you can not prove her verginity on the night of her wedding you can even kill your own children if the child is direspectful our raise a hand on his parent . tell me now why god goes over his own commandment ,thy shall not kill is for any reason

[thinkalott33]

@mystisme THAT WAS THE OLD TESTAMENT DUMMY ? LOL

[MlSHKlN]

@kbx4892 just turn transcribe audio on & mute it lol

at 6:26 it says "right now world war" :0!

[netam1000]

rabbi you genrate your words from your back side and MR DAWKINS talks based on his brain

[thinkalott33]

@netam1000 HIS BRAIN THAT GOD MADE , AND HE USE IT TO MOCK GOD . AND YOU SAY THAT GOD IS NOT GOOD . WHEN HE LETS DUM PEOPLE GET ON STAGE AND SAY BAD THINGS SBOUT HIM . NOING HE CAN END DAWKINS LIFE WITH A BLINK . BUT GOD IS GOOD . BUT WE ALL HAVE LAWS . AND IF WE HAVE LAWS . THEN YOU SHOULD NO THAT GOD HAS LAWS TO . IF A JUDGE GIVE A MAN A 100 YEARS FOR KILLING HIS MOTHER , IS THAT JUDGE A BAD PERSON . SO IF GOD PUNISH YOU FOR PASIING HIS LAW . DO THAT MAKE HIM BAD ? THINK

[mystisme]

@thinkalott33 so is the ten commandement you peak and chose whath ever you want to accomidate your consciense if the 10 commandement soshould the reste is,anyway if thats acceptable in the old time what kind of a god it is does he had a mind change over night well does not seems a stable personality for a god

[BloodOfRayne]

Too many smokers in the audience. D:

[wardzer]

So, quote mining, appeal to ignorance and yelling like a maniac. Is THIS what they have to offer? But what bothers me the most is that he dares to quote mine dawkins's own book when he's debating him? Shmuley is a moron.

[sakkamarra]

LOUD NOISES!!!

[Blackerer]

stand back! im shouting! therefore im RIGHT! (and i know regular expressions too!) most of these things can be explained evolutionary, not only on a level of single human, but even better on the level of society (or the other way upon the level of genes, but on the level of society is more in place here). and im just waiting for dawkins moustache argument to nail him against shmuleys ending here.

[QwidgyboMan]

Dude, why the fuck are you shouting??? It doesn't make what you say any more or less accurate. It just comes off as intellectual frailty, that one needs to scream something in order for it to be processed.

[Slacktoo2010]

hahahahaha that podium is like 5 feet wide

[anetchi]

Religion is ridiculous

[arniemazmax]

Has Rabbi Shmuley read his gods track record of promoting genocide, child rape, slavery and homophobia? He stands up there like the Torah is alice in wonderland like it is an authority on anything. Talk about not seeing the wood for the trees. Yahweh's potrayal is of a sadistic bastard. Along as being blind maybe he's also deaf ..which would expalin his constant strident screeching.Unfortunatly were not, he grates his argument has a huge gaping hole right in the centre.

[svanhoosen]

Shmuley's strategy: "I have no truly logical arguments, so I will shout my flawed arguments at the top of my lungs and maybe nobody will notice the flaws."

[Sutskoen]

@svanhoosen not to mention his failure to mention that Hitler also had certain books burned, such as.... the origin of species.

Or that Hitler was using Lemarkian evolution

[anetchi]

Religion is so so ridiculous!!

[chansetwo]

Is Dawkins up yet?

[BillKiernan]

were issued belt buckles that said "gott mitt uns" which means "god with us". there were pagan nazi rituals made up in conjunction with old pagan holidays. hitler never officially rejected the catholic church, although he hated its heirarchy and potential for usurping his power, but every year the catholic and lutheran churches celebrated his birthday, the vatican never denounced his regime. i can go on, and on, etc. he was NOT secular, at all. he borrowed social darwinism, but was a theist.

[BillKiernan]

he was a mix of christian, and neo-pagan basically. as for evidence read his autobiograpy/manifesto Mein Kampf where he mentions God many times, for example: " I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work." In many of his speeches he mentions god. Nazi soliders swore an oath to hitler: "I swear by God this sacred oath that I shall render unconditional obedience to Adolf Hitler,". nazi soliders were (continued....)

[BillKiernan]

i'm continually shocked that people like boteach can list Hitler as the head of a "secular" or "humanist" regime. totally loses his credibility

[SuperPatrick777]

may i wish everyone on this site a happy Christmas

[ThieleM]

For a Jew he sure uses a lot of Hitler's mannerisms

[automaticSOM]

Why does he keep shouting?

[BillKiernan]

because his argument is so ridiculous that he has to resort to theatrics in hopes that the crowd buys what he's selling.

[automaticSOM]

Yes I know, it was a rhetorical question.

Its not just shmuley that uses this tactic though, in fact most christian apologetics do the same. Shmuley may be the most pronounced example though.

[pranays]

I though a rabbi might make a better argument than a typical Creationist but I was so wrong.

Hitler wrote in his book, Mein Kampf: ". . . I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lords work." Also in a speech before the Reichstag in 1938.

In 1941 Hitler told Gerhard Engel, one of his generals: "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."

[pranays]

Hitler 1933 speech in Berlin: "We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out."

All quotes thanks to Mark at word press.

[pranays]

Also Darwin was not racist he was notoriously against British Imperialism and against British claims White superiority and domination over Indians, North American Natives, and Africans because of evolution he thought we were all the same.

They all came from primitive hominids and primate and were all the same the Rabbi has lied and used the same false statements made by Southern evangelists how disappointing I thought he was a smart man until today.

[pranays]

Mao tse tung was a born a Buddhist and believed in Taoism he is now buried in a Taoist temple.

Pol Pot and Khmer Rouge wanted to bring Cambodia back to the old was of pantheistic religions with a god leader on earth as living God not an Atheist.

Vladimir Lenin was an atheist and had all the Churches shut down or destroyed.

Joseph Stalin Russian Orthodox Christian and had lots of Russian Orthodox Churches rebuilt and commit all the atrocities of the Russian Communist movement.

[BillKiernan]

thank you, exactly. also Hitler? FAR from a humanist, atheist.

[KEVOTAMPA1685]

Thank you, pranays, for providing what Creationists never can... EVIDENCE.

[borderlinebuddhist]

the way shmuley gestures and and yells at the podium reminds me of hitler.

[clar5418]

Its called a DEBATE, ImprobableJoe! You use big enough words you should be able to grasp this concept!!!

[ImprobableJoe]

Why does this Jewish witch doctor insist on screaming his stupidity at the audience? Does he think that by being obnoxious and wrong, he will distract from the latter by emphasizing the former?

[Dynaverse]

Hes pointing out that without religion, we wouldnt be here today as we are.

And hes right!

[ImprobableJoe]

He's "right" only in the sense that without anything from the past, the present would be different. That's so obvious and banal that I can't imagine anyone getting excited over saying so.

It's just dumb. It is what we've come to expect from apologists.

[TiberiusDominus]

I doubt the Oxford finance office who paid the rabbi to attend the debate would agree with your slander of his intelligence. Just watch the debate. Don't attempt to insult the rabbi over Youtube his understanding of the subject far exceeds your own.

[mystisme]

the rabby thinks like he was in a circus he act as a clown he use nonecens argument and free agrument without prouving his saing anyway hissupposly proof are illogical it is true that religion promote morality but man taught first than premote it throw out religion because back than it was the best way cause religion man had the power over humankind in those day political man was under their power but still they are today but not as much as back than

[mephigog]

Okay, rabbi. That was cheap.

[aamesxdavid]

Lesson learned: immediately stop listening to anyone who states "Hitler made sense." I can't even believe Shmuckley just said that.

Don't be logical, guys, because Hitler made sense. What a complete ass, to be able to say something like that.

[emekonen]

he made a good point, he himself is not saying he believes Hitler made sense. according to social darwinism Hitler made sense.

[aamesxdavid]

He made a terrible and dishonest point. "Darwinism" is evolution by natural selection. Organizing the mass slaughter of people is the most unnatural thing I can think of. He was just being an asshole, and doing what so many faith heads do, and comparing a mass murderer to "atheist views". And what detrimental characteristic did all of these people posses anyway, that made it so they wouldn't survive on their own? That's what natural selection is about.

[Falloutmoon]

and I guess you think we had to wait for "social darwinism" to see the world tear itself apart... Trust me, people had no problems acting horrible before darwin was born...

[steveb0503]

So... does asserting something as exhuberently as possible make it true?

[gurshark]

snake-oil salesmen know this to be true. SHAM-WOW!

[steveb0503]

Yeah, right!

I can just hear Billy Mays: "IT USES THE POWER OF OXYGEN!"

[cottonwhiskersuk]

Rabbi Schmuckley.

[swordmaidenz]

This man is hysterical....take a chill pill and I might bother listening to what you have to say, even if it is bollocks!

[faithisfiction]

Shmuley - WW1 was "exciting"? Did I just hear that?

To be honest, listening to a bamboo shoot grow is considerably more interesting.

[goldstead]

SHUMLEY IS FRUSTRATINGLY STUPID TO LISTEN TO. RAGING YELLING DOES NOT HELP TO HEAR ANY LOGiCAL POINT HE MAY HAVE.

[RationalConclusion]

Preachers and apologists like Rabbi Shmuley are more attention seekers than anything else.

[Tapiola2007]

Why is Shmuley shouting?

Why is Shmuley telling so many jokes?

Why is Shmuley shouting?

Why was Shmuley invited to 'speak' at this debate when he has no intelligent argument?

Why is Shmuley shouting?

[Domzdream]

Calm down Shmuley. Calm down ya little bearded clam. This is the 3rd debate I've seen him speaking with a belowing voice.

That's why I love HItchens. So calm and calculated.

[SinuousStudios]

The weaker your argument the louder you must yell.

That's why when I debate I grab the mic turn the volume to 11 and deafen the audience by yelling,

"BELEVIE ME, BELEAVE ME!"

It all ways works for me.

[swordmaidenz]

You made me laugh, thanks!"bearded clam"

Yes, Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris, Dennett....calm, articluate and reasonable.

[Kimbahley]

lol I love how Shmuley switches from lighthearted jokes to insanely angry rants and instantly back again. If he weren't a religious nut and/or completely insane, I think he'd be a cool guy.

[TheIntersex]

You are all missing the point.

This guy says it all. I believe he has lost his kitten.

stirs11 (3 months ago)

moron, the crusaders are alive today you piece of shit. there are billions of christians in the world you fucking retard, and they aren't exterminating anyone, the same can't be said of the atheists hitler, stalin, mao and pol pot, all atheists, all the worst murderers in human history. burn in hell all atheists, fucking murdering scum

[SuperPatrick777]

you don't like atheists i take ,

patrick .

[TheIntersex]

Patrick, what's your agenda?

The guy that I referred was simply stating he's lost his kitten, I was not arguing content of his' argument. Though believe what you want as I can use that against you later..

[SuperPatrick777]

i will explain to you later , but alway's take things said etc in the right context ,

patrick .

[Falloutmoon]

I don't want to make a pun filled with bad taste but you have to admit that the delivery on this rabbi is awfully close to that of the likes of goebbles and other similar madmen....

[Dark1777]

The Rabbi's yelling is very annoying and not a good debate strategy. That is covered at the high school debate club level.

[adknerr]

Agreed. He's awful. It's apparently his style as well after watching the debate with Christopher Hitchens.

Along those lines, a better strategy would be to argue your points based on facts and honesty rather than spinning his opponents' ideas into ridiculous caricatures of what anyone with rational thought would believe them to be.

[iraas78]

he's not a debater you know..

he's a rabbi.. can't you just picture him ranting from a pulpit?

[playsetman]

muslims,christians and jews believe in the same God-They see it different-I think the thing humans do that makes no sense is to try and figure out God-One example is that 5 people see an accident and all five have different accounts-that does not make any of them liars-Christians believe muslims and jews believe in God and before thier death will be given chance to follow the right path-jews and muslims dont see that-For that reason alone it gives christians more credibility

[kksf1979]

What if they do not follow the right path? Does this matter? The qu'ran is very to christian teachings. Muslims do not believe Jesus is the son of god to take an example. They believe Allah is the true God and his word of God is the Qu'ran. They say that if you do not convert to the Muslim faith then you will be damned. This seems the same argument as yours you should see the 'right' path. How , as an aganostic am I supposed to decide which is correct when both say they are absolutely true?

[playsetman]

dawkins says origin is the truth-said that white race (favored races,part of title dawkins and other atheist like to leave out)should exterminate and dominate the others-darwin also sais that negroes could be missing link

[playsetman]

examples are not strawmen-you cant nor can dawkins argue against it so you-thisvisualkei72 is an example that would call death penalty for a mass killer "murder" but defend abortion even at 7 months-crusades were great if they would have continued we would not have radical islam today

[playsetman]

lol,there are crack pots that still believe dawkins-dawkins denied at one time this debate even took place-id say this was before utube but he lacks so much common sense that he may not figure out that nowdays people can watch for themselves though idiots like asdkjfhj follows anyway like a she-smell a obama voter,smell like shit and dumb as shit

[kksf1979]

hahaha idiot!

[playsetman]

I agreed that dawkins is an idiot,even worse he has a habit of being caught in lies-he even denied having this debate(this was before utube)

[kksf1979]

u r an idiot not dawkins!!!The rabbi is a joke who believes in creationism in the face of undisputed evidence

[playsetman]

scientist admit that it is 90%" educated guesswork"-only an idiot thinks a theory is undisputed evidence-untill 2003,almost every evolutionist said that it was "undisputed evidence" that the cromagnon man evolved from the neanderthal-DNA proved this wrong-you cannot prove creationism is wrong,you dolt

[kksf1979]

Its overwhelming likely then! Take gravity for an example. Its a theory but really is a fact isnt it! 90 % of the Royal Society and the USA equivilent are Athiests and the rest nominal believers. That says a lot

I don't know anything about the cromagnon man. I'll try and find something on it!

[playsetman]

numbers of eggheads say nothing-COLLEGE PROFESSORS FOR EXAMPLE ARE 90% liberal-lack common sense and believe communism and castro are great and a good place to live

[kksf1979]

Fair enoughn - we can disagree that they are communist which seems a conservative tactic to label people. I do take your point many are certainly liberal.

My point is that these people are in the people in society that have the highest ability to rationalise and understand difficult problems. They question and do not simply accept. I accept that this is not proof itself( at all) but an indication of how higher intellect perceives these issues.

[playsetman]

oddly enough,if you look at some wiki they have never updated and have info from before 2003(bottom shows references and there dates)-people still use these to argue with me-DNA test in 2003 proved "fact" of cro and neanderthal evolving from the other-ironic,atheist went to court over 60 years ago to have charts from ape(with cro,nean,others in between)to man put in textbooks as "fact' and won -these charts didnt appear anymore after 2003-somehow,it went unnoticed by the press,AGENDA MAYBE?

[kksf1979]

One question and I do respect what you believe although I am not of the same opinion. Can I ask you one question which I have wished to ask a true christian believer.

Christians and muslims both believe that their Religion is correct because of the history of their religion and their Holy book. This may be wrong but the religions both believe that non-believers may go to hell etc. Why would you say that Muslims are wrong when they are basing thier beliefs on the same things as you. i.e faith-

[transtlantic]

is this rabbi capable of speaking slower?

[transtlantic]

making insults do not improve your argumentation!

Hitler was a christian btw.

[visualkei72]

look how angry you are. i'm a piece of shit, a fucking retard, called me a murderer.

i think you're forgetting the ways of God. what happened to "peace be unto you"?

and the Crusaders aren't still alive. i believe they all died a long time ago during the 11th-13th Century.

your definition might be different, in that you think you're actually a Crusader, which is really pathetic. but go on, kill in the name of God. kill all the Atheists you can, so we can show the world what you do in his name

[visualkei72]

wow, look how angry you are. religious nonetheless.

you think that being mad because i have a good argument makes yours any better? i'm sorry it doesn't.

you're too stupid to understand what i said, so i'll better illustrate it for your feeble mind.

here's a basic explanation:

if the crusaders had nuclear weapons, the only people alive today would be Christians. if during the inquisition the crazy religious zealots had a wordlwide missile system, all other denominations would be dead.

[visualkei72]

his argument at 8:30.. Religion didn't gain access to the wonders of industrialization and modern weaponry. Had they the chance, there would be much greater tolls on human life.

[bberntson]

Even if Hitler was a super evolutionist - does this Rabbi have to answer for the murder and torture of every Christian in history? His entire argument based on history is meaningless.

[jrwhisky]

and you have an answer for all the genocide created by your brand of atheistic beliefs?

His argument is based on the history of morals, not that history is meaningless. Sometimes I listen to the videos I watch, it helps.

[baalChrist]

If Shmuley is in heaven, I want to go to hell.

[baalChrist]

Race theory in religion?? The chosen people? Destroy the Hittites? Gentiles?? The only radical idea is that religion is constantly playing catch up with science. R.E the catholic church aknowledging the big bang etc.

[ncuphabuchopho]

this man is psychotic, really nuts.

[papasitoman]

When I was a kid I would witness school-yard fights and girls yelling at each other; the child who yelled the most usually got their way; I see this strategy still works into adulthood.

[yobculture]

Rabbi Shmuley Boteach is so horribly shrill. Why does he find it necessary to shriek in order to get his point across?

[visualkei72]

i agree completely. i dont understand how he thinks he may be coming off.

i think he's going for passionate, but since he's a rabbi(a preacher by title), looks desperate and whiny(because preachers look less credible that way).