J Street rep was weak. He brought up every jew 'victim card' there is! I'm surprised he didn't bring up the 6m jews reported massacred in WW1! That's right, the WZC tried to get a "homeland" in 1919, cuz '6m jews died'. Same # as 1947! In the 30's, jews still hadn't decided. 1st Uganda, then Madagascar, & finally Palestine. They bribed Euro Jews & yet most didn't go.
The '2000 yrs of persecution' takes the prize. Scribes bragged to Jesus that they'd NEVER been a slave' when discussing freedom'.
@chromelung4 There were never 6m jews who were killed during WW1, it happened during WW2 and if you had your facts straight the WZC didn't TRY to GET israel, they were promised by a certain Balfour, a minister in the british government, that he would give them the land. Now about the alleged "Palastine", if you can answer the fallowing question, i will admit to the palastinian state existent, Since there is no such country as “Palestine” today, what caused its demise, when did i occur?
PigCapitalist is a 22 year-old boy, brainwashed by the "progressive left" - he hates America (even though he lives there) and has been seduced by the notion of communism.
I think he spends too much time watching Democracy Now! and listening to NPR.
He should wake up and see what the real world is like, instead of swallowing the bullshit propaganda his leftist university professors have spewed.
"He should wake up and see what the real world is like, instead of swallowing the bullshit propaganda his leftist university professors have spewed."
Well, at the very least the above can work as a sort of admission of your commitment to irrationality, incoherence and emotional sways, instead of reason, logic and soundness. There probably isn't much to exchange anymore, as you seem to be on another plane of thought.
"...incoherence and rationality doesn't get much backing."
I beg to differ on that point, o esteemed opponent. On the contrary, I think I have been very articulate and lucid in arguing my points. The comment from which I took the above quote was marked as "spam" by someone, (I unmarked it) indicating that at least one person out there agrees with my observation and my assessment of your pedantic debating "skills".
"On the contrary, I think I have been very articulate and lucid in arguing my points."
As I've said many times, you're welcome to believe what you like, so long as you understand that your arguments are built on fallacies. As for the "spam" marks, I'm not concerned. If I want to have a proper debate with someone, I do so in an academic setting/institution of education, not YouTube.
I also believe that most viewers would agree with my analysis - they're fallacies because YOU, someone of a dissenting opinion says so? Please.
"if I want to have a proper debate with someone, I do so in an academic setting/institution of education, not YouTube" - I call "bullshit" on this one. How many comments have you posted on this one video in the last couple of days?
Maybe I will, maybe I won't, but that is hardly relevant is it? As I haven't really argued 'for' anything here other than reason and logic. And, honestly, my commitment to reason and logic is something I don't think I'll (willingly) give up.
that's all fine and dandy, but I certainly hope you will reexamine your leftist, communistic, anti-America/anti-Israel/anti-western democracy stances.
I still stand by the observation I made in my original post, and I know that YOU know EXACTLY what I was getting at: the fact that Max Blumenthal CONVENIENTLY edited the video of this debate to further his views, and deliberately did not upload the debate in its entirety.
"...Blumenthal CONVENIENTLY edited the video of this debate to further his views..." [sic]
Humanity has "stood by" wrong ideas many times in the past. So, what's another one to the pot? However, we've been over this already and I have pointed out what is wrong with your "observation". You should know by now that repeating it doesn't make it any less irrational.
Keep standing by those "ideas" of yours, kid. You're all theory and no substance - a spineless intellectual coward who shies away from discussing real, concrete issues, and who instead hides behind pedantic "rules of engagement". Bravo.
My observation is 100% true - and you know it. Admitting that I have a point, however, would signify that you have conceded this debate (pissing contest). I know you would never do that.
You've misunderstood what I said in my last post, but, at this point, it hardly matters.
"You're all theory and no substance - ..."
My critique was not "theory", it was basic structural logic. The foundation upon which good arguments are built, but, again, you don't seem to have a basic grasp of the concept which is why it all seems abstract to you. Instead of using reason and logic you rely on numerous fallacies and irrationality.
Your critique is ALL theory - you haven't once acknowledged my point. Because you're defending someone who's views you agree with.
Do u, at the very least, agree that this video has been EDITED? If so, do u also agree that there is a STRONG possibility (given the fact that this is Max Blumenthal's YouTube channel) that it has been edited to favor Max's point of view, and to minimize the arguments of his opponents. Don't u find it curious that the unedited version wasn't uploaded?
Does it exist anywhere? I can't find it on Google.
This is the only place (mblumenthal's channel) that has any part of the debate.
My question to everyone is this:
As this video was edited, and does not appear anywhere else on the internet, do you honestly believe that it WASN'T edited to favor Blumenthal's arguments?
By your own admission you can't find the whole debate elsewhere, therefore, to imply this was edited in favor of Blumenthal is to commit the logical fallacy known as "hasty generalization".
Nice try - but did you notice that this partial debate, edited to have Blumenthal speaking the majority of the time, HAS BEEN UPLOADED ON MAX BLUMENTHAL'S YOUTUBE CHANNEL?
You already expressed that sentiment. However, as I wrote, by your own admission you don't have enough evidence (you cannot find the whole debate), therefore, by making the claim that it is biased you are committing a logical fallacy of inductive reasoning (hasty generalization). It might as well be biased towards Blumenthal, but you can't claim it is and still consider your statement logical. As it stands it is illogical/a fallacy.
Any why do you think I "cannot find the whole debate"? Try thinking for yourself for a second, and use a little deductive reasoning for a change.
I'm pointing out THE FACT that this video has not been uploaded in its entirety, and that the majority of what is presented reflects Blumethal's arguments, while omitting the majority of his opponents' arguments - I've drawn my own conclusions, and I'll leave it up to the viewers of this "debate" to draw theirs.
I don't think you know the meaning of deductive reasoning, mate.
"I'm pointing out THE FACT that this video has not been uploaded in its entirety..."
I know that, as I said, which leads to the (logical) conclusion that stating it is edited in favor of Blumenthal is a logical fallacy (of induction). Given that it arrives at a conclusion for which there isn't enough evidence.
b) "I don't think you know the meaning of deductive reasoning, mate" - ad hominem? You're a hypocrite.
c) I really don't care about what you deem as a fallacy - I've voiced an opinion that you obviously don't like or agree with. You haven't the courage to address my statements directly, and in a live debate, the audience would perceive your repeated attempts to get me on a technicality as avoiding the issue, PAL.
I'm pointing out the logical flaw in your thinking. By the by, you seem to be quite fond of making logical fallacies for some one who "loves a good debate".
There's a lot flawed in your observation, which is why I'm pointing it out.
"ad hominem? You're a hypocrite." [sic]
My pointing out that you don't know what deductive reasoning is (actually your argument, though flawed, is abductive, or inference to the best explanation, not deductive), is not an example of "Ad Hominiem". Again, you seem to lack a basic grasp of how logic works (something that is essential to any good "debater").
"I really don't care about what you deem as a fallacy - I've voiced an opinion "
This is not how logic works. Fallacies and incorrect statements are not on the same level as coherence and sound arguments. You're welcome to be irrational, though. And it's not that I haven't the courage to address your statements,
... but that (1) I don't care enough to do so, (2) if this was a real debate the fact that your argument is based on a fallacy would be immediate grounds for dismissal and (3) I like pointing out basic structural flaws in the arguments of those that show the most arrogance. Again, you're welcome to be irrational, indeed, you seem quite fond of it, so long as you're aware of your irrationality.
"Me thinks you're intellectually dishonest and scared to address FACTS, like adults do, so you hide behind your bland debate protocols."
Again, it has nothing to do with fear, rather with disinterest. Have you heard the phrase "small potatoes"? And, these aren't "my" debate "protocols", but the standards for a sound argument since before Socrates.
"it has nothing to do with fear, rather with disinterest"
Then why do you bother commenting in the first place? So you can, at the very least, try to feel superior to someone over the internet? What a pathetic little boy you are!
When you grow up, come back and debate some real world ideas.
Now run off and boycott something Israeli like a good little progressive zombie.
"Then why do you bother commenting in the first place? So you can, at the very least, try to feel superior to someone over the internet?"
No, not at all. As I said, I like to point out structural flaws in the arguments of those who show arrogance. The definition of "arrogance" is: offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride. So, the arrogance comes from those I address.
bla bla bla avoid bla bla bla theory bla bla bla...
Thank you for showing everyone what a little coward you are.
I have no arrogance, SIR. I want to discuss the topic of this video. You, on the other hand, are ARROGANTLY and condescendingly trying to avoid the discussing it by hiding behind debate theory. You're a coward (and you know it)!
"The fact is, in a real debate with audience voting, I'd wipe the floor with you."
Facts and debates aren't decided by who has the biggest cheer section, but by their soundness. If I may repeat myself again, you would know this if you had some idea of how logic works. This can be easily remedied, though. A couple of textbooks and you'll be out of those incoherent and irrational waters.
"Facts and debates aren't decided by who has the biggest cheer section"
Wanna bet?
You're the one who is blatantly avoiding the topic at hand - perhaps you should get your head out of the realm of theory and start debating real issues.
@mblumenthal ---you are simply a coward..you dont know that but you are ...a genetic coward..the 2000 year persecution had produced this phenomena among many Jews...deep inside you want to be liked by all shitheads of this world, which are so numerous that it scares you .. ..they hate you ..yet, you afraid to hate back ,and not to mention --to kill them..
as a coward, you dont know what it means to be a real man..a real Jewish man responds to hate with resolve --you can hate me. but should you extend your hands on Israel , you will extend your legs..horizontally..thats what Israel is about ..makes you uncomfortable ? ah? afraid to be disliked by all those billions of shitheads? well ..too bad for you..
So keep wrapping yourself into your bullshit activist and supposedly justice seeking man..but I know who you are..and although you hide it from yourself--one day it will strike you --that you are a coward..
@7.10 Danial May has got his one sided story very twisted when comparing Israeli and Palestinian suffering.
" Travelling around Israel it is impossible to meet an Israeli who has not had loved ones or friends killed in a terrorist attack"
He conveniently failed to mention the Palestinian victims of terrorism even though Since the year 2000 6 times more Palestinians have been killed than Israelis.
When J Street is the mainstream liberal Zionist voice in the United States, it is no surprise that young Jews (myself included) have left the Zionist fold entirely.
The problem with both of the Daniels' talking points is that they are demonstrably false. The problem with their rhetoric, that it doesn't stand up to any sort of scrutiny. In fact, it only holds up to the cheap standard it aims for, appealing to "moderation" where none exists in the power dynamic of the situation.
@brabon1 love you're always trying to redirect responsibility away from Israel. Sorry won't work this time, the facade is slowly falling away and revealing the truth.
@brabon1 Ha ha. Extremist Zionist Jews such as yourself have absolutely nothing left to argue about the Palestinians. The proof is that you are no longer engaged; you have nothing new whatsoever to bring to the discussion. The only thing you're capable of doing to Zionism's critics & critics of the occupation of Palestinian land you can do is repeat the same things endlessly: "Jew haters" "anti-semite" "self-hating Jews." It is a tired argument & you are not a winning argument. You are losing.
@brabon1 "i choose not to engage with jew hating bastards."
So do I. We are in agreement. Where in the American Constitution does it say you have a "right" not "to engage with jew hating bastards"? That phrase does not appear in the Constitution, little boy.
"bds is ... illegal under us law and the tax code"
Really? Usually you right-wing Israel apologists are pro "free" market. So, in other words, people MUST trade with Israel or else? The ghost of Milton Friedman will haunt you.
@brabon1 If an institution or individual chooses not to invest in Israeli companies or other Israeli financial products, no one can force them to do so. Sorry, little boy.
What are you afraid of? Is the big bad Arab going to come & give you nightmares? Boo hoo mommy!
In the meantime, keep killing Palestinian children. Israeli men are so brave, especially when they kill those Palestinian children. It takes SOOOO much bravery to kill a child. What men Israelis are! What examples of manhood!
@bapyou you are correct....however, you must fill out an irs form stating that you have taken part in a boycott...if you dont....they are gonna get you
and i guess you missed the news of the massacre of israeli children by arabs
oh thats right...you dont care....you are a filthy, jew hating bastard
israel does not purposefully kill arab children....YOU JEW HATING BASTARD
@brabon1 "you must fill out an irs form stating that you have taken part in a boycott"
A lie. If you do not wish to do business with Israel you do not have to.
Arabs do not target Jewish children. However many more Arab children have been killed by Jews.
Do the Arabs also destroy Jewish homes? Do Arabs prevent old people from visiting a doctor? Do Arabs steal land from Jews? Do Arabs bulldoze Jewish orchards?
And you are wrong: I do not hate Jews, only extremist Zionists.
@brabon1 Dear Idiot: If you do not do business with Israel, there is no income derived. Therefore, why would anyone need to fill out a "form"? What kind of Stasi surveillance apparatus are you promoting?
"jews do not steal land....the land is not owned by arabs...never was...do some research into the ottoman empire"
The Ottoman Empire established deeds for Arab owned property, asshole. Zionists wiped out entire Arab cities & towns in 1948. The proof is on the maps.
The ultimate proof of Israel as a bankrupt culture is when you see Israeli men throwing molotov cocktails at each other in public squares, to protest their current government.
@brabon1 Ask anyone living in the West Bank wtf I'm talking about. Or read any book on the settlements (colonies): Zerthal's "Lords of the Land," for instance. Or get a Ph.D in IR/Postcolonial Studies and then talk to me about paying attention at school.
@brabon1 What's a myth is that Jews are somehow entitled to land other people live on and work on for generations. Using unreformed Ottoman-era land-laws is a cynicism meant to dispossess them of it. Jordanian passports - though the PA is hardly a representative of the Palis worth taking seriously - speak solely of the fact that the Palis were denied having a state of their own, so thanks for bringing up the fact of the occupation (and yr transfer fantasies).
@28g34ajbsd need proof of the retardation of the so called palis? your leader omar (dumbphuck) barghoutti, who is in a phd program thanks to the israeli affirmative apartheid action program for retards, honestly has stated that mandella attended apartheid universities
thing is...mandella attended south african universities before apartheid became law
J Street is only a big disappointment if one honestly hoped they'd be any different than your typical aipac fare. Do we really need to listen to Daniel May talking about the Shoa? He spins shit like Dershowitz. Fuck J Street.
These pro-Israelis in full of it! The "Arab-Israelis" cannot even have permits to build houses and some live near waste dumps full of anthrax and other diseases. Furthermore, Israel gives Ethiopian Jewish women dangerous birth control pills that have been proven to delay fertility for months and effects are irreverable. Israel is one of the most racist nations in the world!
Read this book for free.Who is Esau-Edom.Read Revelation 2:9,,3:9
Collier’s Encyclopedia,Volume 14,page 65 states
Khazars [kaza'rz],a semi-nomadic tribe of Turkish or Tatar origin who first appeared north of the Caucasus in the early part of the third century.in the Eighth Century Khaghan Bulan decided in favor of the Jews and accepted Judaism for himself and for his people
btw max....when one debates a specific subject (in this case, bds) one does not bring in other subjects, like the history of the conflict...and then demand for the other side to debate that
@brabon1 Typical Zionist pig. You're hopelessly trapped in your own contrived, self-deluding, rationalizations,which convince no one but other contriving, self-deluding, rationalizing Zionist pigs. For this reason it's obvious that you would like to waste my time, & your's, with endless, self-deluding contrivances to rationalize your Zionist evils to yourself. I won't let you do that, & you don't need me to it, anyway. And stop trying to vilify all Jews, by implying that they are Zionist pigs.
Why isn't there a budhist state? I don't get it! Human rights encourages equal secular goverments where every individual has his freedom of religion while Israel's main motive is to creat a JEWISH state!
@PrimateDynasty Yeah, and maybe we should give some of England to Tibetans. After all, the Anglo Saxons already have Scandinavia. So they don't need England.
Zionism is the idea that Jews constitute a secular people apart from their religion. So either you're ignorant or intellectually dishonest. Either way your analogy fails.
J Street rep was weak. He brought up every jew 'victim card' there is! I'm surprised he didn't bring up the 6m jews reported massacred in WW1! That's right, the WZC tried to get a "homeland" in 1919, cuz '6m jews died'. Same # as 1947! In the 30's, jews still hadn't decided. 1st Uganda, then Madagascar, & finally Palestine. They bribed Euro Jews & yet most didn't go.
The '2000 yrs of persecution' takes the prize. Scribes bragged to Jesus that they'd NEVER been a slave' when discussing freedom'.
chromelung4 4 months ago
@chromelung4 There were never 6m jews who were killed during WW1, it happened during WW2 and if you had your facts straight the WZC didn't TRY to GET israel, they were promised by a certain Balfour, a minister in the british government, that he would give them the land. Now about the alleged "Palastine", if you can answer the fallowing question, i will admit to the palastinian state existent, Since there is no such country as “Palestine” today, what caused its demise, when did i occur?
moshe1000000 4 months ago
@Palestittian
Right.
That's the only reason.
You are good.
PantsInTheFamily 5 months ago
Laughing when Syrians kill each other is NOT Anti-Semitism!!!!!
rachelgolem 5 months ago
Israel is the jewish state and jewish people belongs to Israel, if you are unconfortable with this facts go fuck you donkey.
ejzen11 7 months ago
@ejzen11
Lol.
PigCapitalist 7 months ago
@ejzen11
PigCapitalist is a 22 year-old boy, brainwashed by the "progressive left" - he hates America (even though he lives there) and has been seduced by the notion of communism.
I think he spends too much time watching Democracy Now! and listening to NPR.
He should wake up and see what the real world is like, instead of swallowing the bullshit propaganda his leftist university professors have spewed.
boskinator 7 months ago
@boskinator
"He should wake up and see what the real world is like, instead of swallowing the bullshit propaganda his leftist university professors have spewed."
Well, at the very least the above can work as a sort of admission of your commitment to irrationality, incoherence and emotional sways, instead of reason, logic and soundness. There probably isn't much to exchange anymore, as you seem to be on another plane of thought.
PigCapitalist 7 months ago
@PigCapitalist
yes, I am "on another plane of thought"
It's called the REAL WORLD - you should look into it sometime, you idealistic, naive little pissant.
boskinator 7 months ago
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@boskinator
"It's called the REAL WORLD ..." [sic]
You can call your world whatever you like, boskinator. However, incoherence and irrationality doesn't get much backing.
PigCapitalist 7 months ago
@PigCapitalist
"...incoherence and rationality doesn't get much backing."
I beg to differ on that point, o esteemed opponent. On the contrary, I think I have been very articulate and lucid in arguing my points. The comment from which I took the above quote was marked as "spam" by someone, (I unmarked it) indicating that at least one person out there agrees with my observation and my assessment of your pedantic debating "skills".
boskinator 7 months ago
@boskinator
"On the contrary, I think I have been very articulate and lucid in arguing my points."
As I've said many times, you're welcome to believe what you like, so long as you understand that your arguments are built on fallacies. As for the "spam" marks, I'm not concerned. If I want to have a proper debate with someone, I do so in an academic setting/institution of education, not YouTube.
PigCapitalist 7 months ago
@PigCapitalist
I also believe that most viewers would agree with my analysis - they're fallacies because YOU, someone of a dissenting opinion says so? Please.
"if I want to have a proper debate with someone, I do so in an academic setting/institution of education, not YouTube" - I call "bullshit" on this one. How many comments have you posted on this one video in the last couple of days?
boskinator 7 months ago
@PigCapitalist
"admission of your commitment to irrationality, incoherence and emotional sways..."
Gee, that sounds like an ad hominem attack to me - REJECTED.
You're falling prey to your own rules, bubbie.
boskinator 7 months ago
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@boskinator
"Gee, that sounds like an ad hominem attack to me - REJECTED."
Once more, boskinator, you don't seem to have a basic grasp of logic. I can help you with this, just say the word.
PigCapitalist 7 months ago
@PigCapitalist
One final observation:
In about ten years, maybe fifteen, you'll look back on this period of your life and feel shame for what you believed and argued for.
You seem like a reasonably intelligent person who has the ability to change his mind.
boskinator 7 months ago
@boskinator
"One final observation..."
Maybe I will, maybe I won't, but that is hardly relevant is it? As I haven't really argued 'for' anything here other than reason and logic. And, honestly, my commitment to reason and logic is something I don't think I'll (willingly) give up.
PigCapitalist 7 months ago
@PigCapitalist
that's all fine and dandy, but I certainly hope you will reexamine your leftist, communistic, anti-America/anti-Israel/anti-western democracy stances.
I still stand by the observation I made in my original post, and I know that YOU know EXACTLY what I was getting at: the fact that Max Blumenthal CONVENIENTLY edited the video of this debate to further his views, and deliberately did not upload the debate in its entirety.
boskinator 7 months ago
@boskinator
"...leftist, communistic, anti-America/anti-Israel/anti-western democracy stances." [sic]
Red herring, again.
"...Blumenthal CONVENIENTLY edited the video of this debate to further his views..." [sic]
Humanity has "stood by" wrong ideas many times in the past. So, what's another one to the pot? However, we've been over this already and I have pointed out what is wrong with your "observation". You should know by now that repeating it doesn't make it any less irrational.
PigCapitalist 7 months ago
@PigCapitalist
Keep standing by those "ideas" of yours, kid. You're all theory and no substance - a spineless intellectual coward who shies away from discussing real, concrete issues, and who instead hides behind pedantic "rules of engagement". Bravo.
My observation is 100% true - and you know it. Admitting that I have a point, however, would signify that you have conceded this debate (pissing contest). I know you would never do that.
boskinator 7 months ago
@boskinator
"Keep standing by those "ideas" of yours..."
You've misunderstood what I said in my last post, but, at this point, it hardly matters.
"You're all theory and no substance - ..."
My critique was not "theory", it was basic structural logic. The foundation upon which good arguments are built, but, again, you don't seem to have a basic grasp of the concept which is why it all seems abstract to you. Instead of using reason and logic you rely on numerous fallacies and irrationality.
PigCapitalist 7 months ago
@PigCapitalist
Your critique is ALL theory - you haven't once acknowledged my point. Because you're defending someone who's views you agree with.
Do u, at the very least, agree that this video has been EDITED? If so, do u also agree that there is a STRONG possibility (given the fact that this is Max Blumenthal's YouTube channel) that it has been edited to favor Max's point of view, and to minimize the arguments of his opponents. Don't u find it curious that the unedited version wasn't uploaded?
boskinator 7 months ago
Where is the video of the complete debate?
Does it exist anywhere? I can't find it on Google.
This is the only place (mblumenthal's channel) that has any part of the debate.
My question to everyone is this:
As this video was edited, and does not appear anywhere else on the internet, do you honestly believe that it WASN'T edited to favor Blumenthal's arguments?
boskinator 8 months ago
@boskinator
By your own admission you can't find the whole debate elsewhere, therefore, to imply this was edited in favor of Blumenthal is to commit the logical fallacy known as "hasty generalization".
PigCapitalist 7 months ago
@PigCapitalist
Nice try - but did you notice that this partial debate, edited to have Blumenthal speaking the majority of the time, HAS BEEN UPLOADED ON MAX BLUMENTHAL'S YOUTUBE CHANNEL?
Where there's smoke, there's fire.
boskinator 7 months ago
@boskinator
You already expressed that sentiment. However, as I wrote, by your own admission you don't have enough evidence (you cannot find the whole debate), therefore, by making the claim that it is biased you are committing a logical fallacy of inductive reasoning (hasty generalization). It might as well be biased towards Blumenthal, but you can't claim it is and still consider your statement logical. As it stands it is illogical/a fallacy.
PigCapitalist 7 months ago
@PigCapitalist
Hey debate nazi,
Any why do you think I "cannot find the whole debate"? Try thinking for yourself for a second, and use a little deductive reasoning for a change.
I'm pointing out THE FACT that this video has not been uploaded in its entirety, and that the majority of what is presented reflects Blumethal's arguments, while omitting the majority of his opponents' arguments - I've drawn my own conclusions, and I'll leave it up to the viewers of this "debate" to draw theirs.
boskinator 7 months ago
@boskinator
P.1
"Hey debate nazi" [sic]
Ad hominem. Yet another fallacy.
"...use a little deductive reasoning..."
I don't think you know the meaning of deductive reasoning, mate.
"I'm pointing out THE FACT that this video has not been uploaded in its entirety..."
I know that, as I said, which leads to the (logical) conclusion that stating it is edited in favor of Blumenthal is a logical fallacy (of induction). Given that it arrives at a conclusion for which there isn't enough evidence.
PigCapitalist 7 months ago
@PigCapitalist
a) I'm not your "mate"
b) "I don't think you know the meaning of deductive reasoning, mate" - ad hominem? You're a hypocrite.
c) I really don't care about what you deem as a fallacy - I've voiced an opinion that you obviously don't like or agree with. You haven't the courage to address my statements directly, and in a live debate, the audience would perceive your repeated attempts to get me on a technicality as avoiding the issue, PAL.
Do you have a Ron Paul t-shirt?Just curious
boskinator 7 months ago
@boskinator
P.2
I'm pointing out the logical flaw in your thinking. By the by, you seem to be quite fond of making logical fallacies for some one who "loves a good debate".
PigCapitalist 7 months ago
@PigCapitalist
There is nothing flawed in my observation - I think it's actually spot-on.
You're playing the "logical fallacy" card because you disagree with me, and you haven't pertinent counter-argument.
Now go and protest against Israel, ya 'lil commie.
boskinator 7 months ago
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@boskinator
P.1
There's a lot flawed in your observation, which is why I'm pointing it out.
"ad hominem? You're a hypocrite." [sic]
My pointing out that you don't know what deductive reasoning is (actually your argument, though flawed, is abductive, or inference to the best explanation, not deductive), is not an example of "Ad Hominiem". Again, you seem to lack a basic grasp of how logic works (something that is essential to any good "debater").
PigCapitalist 7 months ago
@PigCapitalist
Just found another one of your posts that was marked as "spam". The "There's a lot flawed in your observation.." one. I unmarked too.
I think people are getting tired of you blathering about theory, and not addressing the content of this video.
boskinator 7 months ago
@boskinator
P.2
"I really don't care about what you deem as a fallacy - I've voiced an opinion "
This is not how logic works. Fallacies and incorrect statements are not on the same level as coherence and sound arguments. You're welcome to be irrational, though. And it's not that I haven't the courage to address your statements,
PigCapitalist 7 months ago
@boskinator
P.3
... but that (1) I don't care enough to do so, (2) if this was a real debate the fact that your argument is based on a fallacy would be immediate grounds for dismissal and (3) I like pointing out basic structural flaws in the arguments of those that show the most arrogance. Again, you're welcome to be irrational, indeed, you seem quite fond of it, so long as you're aware of your irrationality.
PigCapitalist 7 months ago
@PigCapitalist
No, you like defending Max Blumenthal like a good little fanboy. Why else would you have favorited several of his videos?
Me thinks you're intellectually dishonest and scared to address FACTS, like adults do, so you hide behind your bland debate protocols.
The fact is, in a real debate with audience voting, I'd wipe the floor with you.
boskinator 7 months ago
@boskinator
P.1
"Me thinks you're intellectually dishonest and scared to address FACTS, like adults do, so you hide behind your bland debate protocols."
Again, it has nothing to do with fear, rather with disinterest. Have you heard the phrase "small potatoes"? And, these aren't "my" debate "protocols", but the standards for a sound argument since before Socrates.
PigCapitalist 7 months ago
@PigCapitalist
"it has nothing to do with fear, rather with disinterest"
Then why do you bother commenting in the first place? So you can, at the very least, try to feel superior to someone over the internet? What a pathetic little boy you are!
When you grow up, come back and debate some real world ideas.
Now run off and boycott something Israeli like a good little progressive zombie.
boskinator 7 months ago
@boskinator
"Then why do you bother commenting in the first place? So you can, at the very least, try to feel superior to someone over the internet?"
No, not at all. As I said, I like to point out structural flaws in the arguments of those who show arrogance. The definition of "arrogance" is: offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride. So, the arrogance comes from those I address.
PigCapitalist 7 months ago
@PigCapitalist
bla bla bla avoid bla bla bla theory bla bla bla...
Thank you for showing everyone what a little coward you are.
I have no arrogance, SIR. I want to discuss the topic of this video. You, on the other hand, are ARROGANTLY and condescendingly trying to avoid the discussing it by hiding behind debate theory. You're a coward (and you know it)!
boskinator 7 months ago
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@boskinator
"bla bla bla avoid bla bla bla theory bla bla bla..."
Haha, that sounds about right. Do you mind if I put this sentence in my channel?
"I have no arrogance, SIR."
I think your comments tell another story, but, again, you're welcome to believe what you like. However far from the truth it may be.
PigCapitalist 7 months ago
@PigCapitalist
"I like to point out structural flaws in the arguments of those who show arrogance"
Gee whiz - you're 22, right? It's summertime, and you honestly don't have anything better to do? Sucks to be you.
boskinator 7 months ago
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@boskinator
"Gee whiz - you're 22, right? It's summertime, and you honestly don't have anything better to do? Sucks to be you."
Red herring, again, boskinator.
PigCapitalist 7 months ago
@boskinator
P.2
"The fact is, in a real debate with audience voting, I'd wipe the floor with you."
Facts and debates aren't decided by who has the biggest cheer section, but by their soundness. If I may repeat myself again, you would know this if you had some idea of how logic works. This can be easily remedied, though. A couple of textbooks and you'll be out of those incoherent and irrational waters.
PigCapitalist 7 months ago
@PigCapitalist
"Facts and debates aren't decided by who has the biggest cheer section"
Wanna bet?
You're the one who is blatantly avoiding the topic at hand - perhaps you should get your head out of the realm of theory and start debating real issues.
boskinator 7 months ago
The BDS campaign is reminiscent of the boycotts of Jewish businesses in 1930's Germany.
What's next?
boskinator 8 months ago
@mblumenthal ---you are simply a coward..you dont know that but you are ...a genetic coward..the 2000 year persecution had produced this phenomena among many Jews...deep inside you want to be liked by all shitheads of this world, which are so numerous that it scares you .. ..they hate you ..yet, you afraid to hate back ,and not to mention --to kill them..
Kbrt111 8 months ago 2
@mblumenthal
as a coward, you dont know what it means to be a real man..a real Jewish man responds to hate with resolve --you can hate me. but should you extend your hands on Israel , you will extend your legs..horizontally..thats what Israel is about ..makes you uncomfortable ? ah? afraid to be disliked by all those billions of shitheads? well ..too bad for you..
Kbrt111 8 months ago 2
@mblumenthal
So keep wrapping yourself into your bullshit activist and supposedly justice seeking man..but I know who you are..and although you hide it from yourself--one day it will strike you --that you are a coward..
Kbrt111 8 months ago 2
@7.10 Danial May has got his one sided story very twisted when comparing Israeli and Palestinian suffering.
" Travelling around Israel it is impossible to meet an Israeli who has not had loved ones or friends killed in a terrorist attack"
He conveniently failed to mention the Palestinian victims of terrorism even though Since the year 2000 6 times more Palestinians have been killed than Israelis.
whereisthejustice1 9 months ago
When J Street is the mainstream liberal Zionist voice in the United States, it is no surprise that young Jews (myself included) have left the Zionist fold entirely.
The problem with both of the Daniels' talking points is that they are demonstrably false. The problem with their rhetoric, that it doesn't stand up to any sort of scrutiny. In fact, it only holds up to the cheap standard it aims for, appealing to "moderation" where none exists in the power dynamic of the situation.
Egggbutt 10 months ago
@Egggbutt have you considered leaving the religion? lol...
Darusdei 8 months ago
israel does not purposefully kill Arab children? What a twisted lie.
Qana 2006
Qana 1996
Jenin 2002
Sabra and Shatilla
I have a much longer list...
VenusCapricorn 10 months ago
hey maxxie baby
where is the vid of the entire debate? you fraud
brabon1 11 months ago
bds...the epic failure
max blumenthal...the epic failure of his drunk of a father forgetting to wear a condom
hey max...when are you going to gaza to pull your man on the street shtick with the kids there?
pussy
brabon1 1 year ago
I do not support theocracies, sorry, we can have an Israel, but not a Jewish state...
neverine2000 1 year ago
@neverine2000 and im sure that you will now run to all the moslem states and tell them the same thing....right?
ahahhahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa
jew hating bastard
brabon1 1 year ago
@brabon1 was I unclear, when I said I do not support theocracies muslim or jewish...
neverine2000 1 year ago
@neverine2000 never mind that israel is not a theocracy....care to direct me to your posts where you tear down islam and muslims?
brabon1 1 year ago
@brabon1 love you're always trying to redirect responsibility away from Israel. Sorry won't work this time, the facade is slowly falling away and revealing the truth.
neverine2000 1 year ago
@neverine2000 and what truth is that? that you and max are jew hating bastards?
brabon1 1 year ago
@brabon1 Ha ha. Extremist Zionist Jews such as yourself have absolutely nothing left to argue about the Palestinians. The proof is that you are no longer engaged; you have nothing new whatsoever to bring to the discussion. The only thing you're capable of doing to Zionism's critics & critics of the occupation of Palestinian land you can do is repeat the same things endlessly: "Jew haters" "anti-semite" "self-hating Jews." It is a tired argument & you are not a winning argument. You are losing.
bapyou 11 months ago
@bapyou i choose not to engage with jew hating bastards...it is my right as an american
you jew hating bastards wont ever change your jew hating opinions...so why bother?
bds is an epic failure...it is also illegal under us law and the tax code
if you engage in bds, you must fill out an irs form...if you do not, you are subject to fines and prison
SOON YOU WILL BE BUBBA'S BITCH...YOU JEW HATING BASTARD
brabon1 11 months ago
@brabon1 "i choose not to engage with jew hating bastards."
So do I. We are in agreement. Where in the American Constitution does it say you have a "right" not "to engage with jew hating bastards"? That phrase does not appear in the Constitution, little boy.
"bds is ... illegal under us law and the tax code"
Really? Usually you right-wing Israel apologists are pro "free" market. So, in other words, people MUST trade with Israel or else? The ghost of Milton Friedman will haunt you.
bapyou 11 months ago
@bapyou hey dumbass...the first amendment only pertains to the government making laws regarding speech....read it you moke
i think you need to call your accountant before you go to prison
bigpeace.com/rdrukan/2011/03/12/boycott-israel-actually-its-against-the-law/
eff it....im gonna call the irs on all you bastards
brabon1 11 months ago
@brabon1 If an institution or individual chooses not to invest in Israeli companies or other Israeli financial products, no one can force them to do so. Sorry, little boy.
What are you afraid of? Is the big bad Arab going to come & give you nightmares? Boo hoo mommy!
In the meantime, keep killing Palestinian children. Israeli men are so brave, especially when they kill those Palestinian children. It takes SOOOO much bravery to kill a child. What men Israelis are! What examples of manhood!
bapyou 11 months ago
@bapyou you are correct....however, you must fill out an irs form stating that you have taken part in a boycott...if you dont....they are gonna get you
and i guess you missed the news of the massacre of israeli children by arabs
oh thats right...you dont care....you are a filthy, jew hating bastard
israel does not purposefully kill arab children....YOU JEW HATING BASTARD
brabon1 11 months ago
@brabon1 "you must fill out an irs form stating that you have taken part in a boycott"
A lie. If you do not wish to do business with Israel you do not have to.
Arabs do not target Jewish children. However many more Arab children have been killed by Jews.
Do the Arabs also destroy Jewish homes? Do Arabs prevent old people from visiting a doctor? Do Arabs steal land from Jews? Do Arabs bulldoze Jewish orchards?
And you are wrong: I do not hate Jews, only extremist Zionists.
bapyou 11 months ago
@bapyou you do not have to do biz with israel...but you have to fill out the irs form if you are part of the boycott
and tell me oh jew hating bastard...who targeted the children last friday night?
are you comparing a home to a 3 month old baby?
jews do not steal land....the land is not owned by arabs...never was...do some research into the ottoman empire
why am i even bothering...you have your jew hate version of the story...i have the truth
brabon1 11 months ago
@brabon1 Dear Idiot: If you do not do business with Israel, there is no income derived. Therefore, why would anyone need to fill out a "form"? What kind of Stasi surveillance apparatus are you promoting?
"jews do not steal land....the land is not owned by arabs...never was...do some research into the ottoman empire"
The Ottoman Empire established deeds for Arab owned property, asshole. Zionists wiped out entire Arab cities & towns in 1948. The proof is on the maps.
bapyou 11 months ago 2
@bapyou ok genius...go to prison...bubba is waitng
btw, what percentage of the land was privately held? do you even know?
most of the villages were on public lands...when israel took control, they had the right to say what could or could not be placed there
its called eminent domain
you are a jew hating moron
brabon1 11 months ago
@brabon1 "ok genius...go to prison"
Yeah, dolt. I'm waiting. Send the Gestapo. Seig heil!
bapyou 11 months ago
The ultimate proof of Israel as a bankrupt culture is when you see Israeli men throwing molotov cocktails at each other in public squares, to protest their current government.
rachelgolem 1 year ago
I agree that talking about "colonialism" (see under Or Comission) won't get us very far in mutual talks. Only to the truth.
28g34ajbsd 1 year ago
@28g34ajbsd I love what you've just said! I think you've just coined a phrase haha! Thank you.
The88Nomad 1 year ago
@28g34ajbsd as you apparently didnt pay attention in school when they were discussing what colonialism is....what the fuck are you talking about?
brabon1 1 year ago
@brabon1 Ask anyone living in the West Bank wtf I'm talking about. Or read any book on the settlements (colonies): Zerthal's "Lords of the Land," for instance. Or get a Ph.D in IR/Postcolonial Studies and then talk to me about paying attention at school.
28g34ajbsd 1 year ago
@28g34ajbsd dont care what zerthal has to say....cant colonize what is your's....palestine and palestinians are a myth, created by the arab states
simple proof....the pa leadership all hold jordanian passports
i win...you lose
TIME FOR THE ARABS TO ALL GO HOME...TO JORDAN
brabon1 1 year ago
@brabon1 What's a myth is that Jews are somehow entitled to land other people live on and work on for generations. Using unreformed Ottoman-era land-laws is a cynicism meant to dispossess them of it. Jordanian passports - though the PA is hardly a representative of the Palis worth taking seriously - speak solely of the fact that the Palis were denied having a state of their own, so thanks for bringing up the fact of the occupation (and yr transfer fantasies).
28g34ajbsd 1 year ago
@28g34ajbsd the myth is that there ever was a palestine, a palestinian people or that the arabs are indigenous to the land
they have never wanted a state...for like their illiterate prophet...the cant even spell the word state
go away, you jew hating bastard...you bother me
brabon1 11 months ago
@28g34ajbsd need proof of the retardation of the so called palis? your leader omar (dumbphuck) barghoutti, who is in a phd program thanks to the israeli affirmative apartheid action program for retards, honestly has stated that mandella attended apartheid universities
thing is...mandella attended south african universities before apartheid became law
the phucktard cant read
i win
brabon1 11 months ago
J Street is only a big disappointment if one honestly hoped they'd be any different than your typical aipac fare. Do we really need to listen to Daniel May talking about the Shoa? He spins shit like Dershowitz. Fuck J Street.
28g34ajbsd 1 year ago
Laughing when Iraqi people kill each other is not Anti-Semitism.
rachelgolem 1 year ago
MAx and Rebecca wiped the floor with them...
AlKadath 1 year ago
These pro-Israelis in full of it! The "Arab-Israelis" cannot even have permits to build houses and some live near waste dumps full of anthrax and other diseases. Furthermore, Israel gives Ethiopian Jewish women dangerous birth control pills that have been proven to delay fertility for months and effects are irreverable. Israel is one of the most racist nations in the world!
somalification 1 year ago 2
USA needs to get out of the so called peace process. israel is a Frankenstein that needs to be destroyed.
chineechik 1 year ago
Read this book for free.Who is Esau-Edom.Read Revelation 2:9,,3:9
Collier’s Encyclopedia,Volume 14,page 65 states
Khazars [kaza'rz],a semi-nomadic tribe of Turkish or Tatar origin who first appeared north of the Caucasus in the early part of the third century.in the Eighth Century Khaghan Bulan decided in favor of the Jews and accepted Judaism for himself and for his people
The Jews of Khazaria by Kevin Alan Brook
Facts are Facts by Benjamin H. Freedman
The Thirteenth Tribe by Arthur Koestler
MsMihailescu 1 year ago
btw max....when one debates a specific subject (in this case, bds) one does not bring in other subjects, like the history of the conflict...and then demand for the other side to debate that
where did you learn debate?
brabon1 1 year ago
the world: "hey israel you're committing crimes against humanity"
Israel: "hey we went through the holocaust!"
the world: "ummmmmm kay, what does that have to do with anything?"
israel: ". . . . . . jew hater!"
stjimmy933499399493 1 year ago 7
hey max,
why dont you post the entirety of the debate....not just the parts you think are highlights so that it appears you win
and stop lying about the goldstone report
brabon1 1 year ago
hey jew hating bastards...why arent you calling for a boycott of saudi arabia...a muslim state...with muslim and non muslim roads?
oh, and becky lies...the longest occupation is china of tibet....lying cunt
brabon1 1 year ago
@brabon1 Obvious answer to your question: Cuz their focus is on Palestine, not Saudi Arabia.
Tad less obvious correction to your statement: Tibet is conquered, not occupied.
AhuitzotlTlazohtla 1 year ago
@AhuitzotlTlazohtla obvious answer...because they judge israel by different standards, because they...like you...are jew hating bastards
and tibet is occupied territory...look it up.....when was it "conquered"?
if tibet is conquered...so is the west bank and gaza....israel can kick the arabs out...and the world will be happy...amen
brabon1 1 year ago
@brabon1 Typical Zionist pig. You're hopelessly trapped in your own contrived, self-deluding, rationalizations,which convince no one but other contriving, self-deluding, rationalizing Zionist pigs. For this reason it's obvious that you would like to waste my time, & your's, with endless, self-deluding contrivances to rationalize your Zionist evils to yourself. I won't let you do that, & you don't need me to it, anyway. And stop trying to vilify all Jews, by implying that they are Zionist pigs.
AhuitzotlTlazohtla 1 year ago
@AhuitzotlTlazohtla and you are a typical jew hating bastard...and so is max, and his drunk of a daddy
isnt it time for you to go burn a cross somewhere?
brabon1 1 year ago
@AhuitzotlTlazohtla btw, these people disagree with you regarding tibet not being occupied
freetibetedotorg
you filthy, jew hating bastard
brabon1 1 year ago
@brabon1 stop deflecting, we are talking about Israel not Saudi Arabia, although they will get theirs eventually.
neverine2000 1 year ago
@neverine2000 deflecting? who cares anyway...max is a fucking liar...said that he would post the entire debate...its been a month
brabon1 1 year ago
Blumenthal is a beast.
AlKadath 1 year ago
Why isn't there a budhist state? I don't get it! Human rights encourages equal secular goverments where every individual has his freedom of religion while Israel's main motive is to creat a JEWISH state!
PrimateDynasty 1 year ago 21
@PrimateDynasty
We don't need another racist state:- the Aryan state and the White state are history only the Jewish state is left to get rid of!
petersz98 1 year ago 5
@PrimateDynasty Yeah, and maybe we should give some of England to Tibetans. After all, the Anglo Saxons already have Scandinavia. So they don't need England.
MegaLotusEater 1 year ago
@PrimateDynasty
Zionism is the idea that Jews constitute a secular people apart from their religion. So either you're ignorant or intellectually dishonest. Either way your analogy fails.
LearnedHand2008 11 months ago
@PrimateDynasty
Gee, were 6 Million Buddhists systematically burned in ovens and gassed to death in the last hundred years?
Go fuck your hat.
boskinator 7 months ago
How did I know the holocaust card would be played?
roughcutone2 1 year ago 29
@roughcutone2
Laughing when Syrians kill each other is NOT Anti-Semitism.
rachelgolem 10 months ago
@rachelgolem Did you not watch the video prior to trying to belittle my comments? Guilty !
Just Another israhell Shrill !!
Correction to my previous post holocaust is truely holocau$t
roughcutone2 10 months ago