Raymond Ibrahim vs. Hamid Dabashi part 1 of 7

[Josefici]

The title of the debate is very unfortunate.

The Western civilization is clashing with the uncivilized islam.

In that sense it is not a clash of civilizations.

[iiNDiTC]

Poor Dabashi is not even a Muslim. Before you criticize the man, pick up one of his books (he wrote over 20). He is more critical of the IRI than you think and has been an avid supporter of Palestinians since his days with Edward Saeed.

[asalasali24]

hamid jan, bache akhund we will fuck your islamic republic

[desiguy55]

yes, you muslim pig, islam is a threat to all people not just the west. we have many islamic terror attacks, we have a government agency set up to counter the threats of islam. our miltiery, police, fbi, and Cia have to work hard to keep islamic terror away. we can't go on an airplane quickly because of muslim pigs. thats just a few of the coutless items i can name because of the terroristic religion of islam.

[Persiancreed1]

Hamid Dabashi is an impostor, he is living in Free America but collaborating with Islamic regime of Iran. Shame on you Hamid, shame on you..

[12ut5]

@nameonwhitestone Dear Mr. Whitestone, I read "A Common Word" as soon as it came out in 2007 (probably before you did) because I, like many, yearn to see Muslims clearly, en masse, stand against all forms of extremism in their community. The document itself is not that great. What's worse is who does it represent? 138 people? Tell me what its support is in the Muslim world. I'd say it barely registers. This is your evidence of Muslim reply. Look, just stick to proving 911 was an inside job, OK?

[MeTaLiXe]

Raymond Ibrahim is a dick head

[lyntonio]

@MeTaLiXe why

[tzicelmic]

Wonderful!



[Divinezoo]

With respect to Dabashi, he leaves out the Classical civilization. I do not know why, unless, because it is pagan, it isnt worth consideration. I actually consider Western civlization, and most specifically the Reactionary movement called the "Enlightenment" (Thomas Paine is better is more definitive than Kant) arising from the careful differentiation from East Civilizations by the Writers of Hellenism.

[Azar276]

A difference of social and economical fraction in any society has nothing to do with religion. But, when religion is the cause of those fractions in the society, faith itself will die or transfer to other cult. There is a big difference between believing in God and following a religion. Are we supposed to have faith in God or religion?

[KenMacMillan]

I wonder how many apologists make it to 4:20 & turn off the video. At that point theyve heard all they need to hear.

[IranPoliticsClub]

Trita Parsi, NIAC and other IRI Lobby Groups must be heavily exposed and fight with. Lobbying for the Terrorist Regime of Iran is illegal in America; however, under Obamas Liberal Administration, everything goes! What do you expect from a Marxist Muslim American President?!

[MrBlastula]

Let's see some citations, buddy.

[KenMacMillan]

All religion is evil but none are more evil than islam.

[SkCePticcc]

sex with a nine-year-old was wrong. and still is wrong. a tradition doesn't make it right.

we all know it

[omaregypt88]

She was a fully grown woman...

My grandmother gave birth to my uncle when she was 14...

[kuroshe1]

@SkCePticcc then you should condemn all the old testement prophits includin, moses , soleman, david, read history more.

[12ut5]

Snake oil. Give me a break, please. One Islam is not the same as another Islam, etc., etc., etc. Look, if one group of Christians' version of Christianity flew planes into buildings, or bombed weddings or pizza parlors, etc. and, basically the rest of the Christian world either said OK, or didn't say anything and sat on their hands, then it would be perfectly legitimate to ask what is Christianity. Silence more than anything has drawn criticism of Islam because silence is agreement.

[MrBlastula]

Islamic groups have unanimously condemned 9/11 - you are just unwilling to listen. Why is that?

[12ut5]

Dear MrBlastula,

-911: Muslims worldwide: pin drop

-Cartoons: Muslims worldwide: !!!!!!!!

-Madrid: Muslims worldwide: pin drop

-Teddy bear: Muslims worldwide: !!!!!!!!

-Beslan: Muslims worldwide: pin drop

-Amman: Muslims worldwide: !!!!!!!! (Oh, those targetted in Amman were all Muslims:sorry: doesn't count.)

Sounds to me like, maybe, you're hearing things. Better have it checked out, OK. Could be serious.

[MrBlastula]

Do a google search--you'll get a list of 100's of major Islamic organizations that condemned 9/11, along with 10's of article addressing the myth that Muslims (an extremely diverse set of people who live in all parts of the world) support terrorism.

[12ut5]

MrBlastula, "100s of major Islamic organizations" like CAIR, the Islamic Society of N.America, and the N. American Islamic Trust, which prosecutors labeled unindicted co-conspirators in the Hamas funding case? "10's of articles," wow, trying to deflect criticism of an "extremely diverse...people." See my comment for Part 4 of 7 of this debate. How many million "diverse" Muslims protested cartoons, teddy bears and Amman? How many 911, Madrid, Beslan, Bali, Mumbai, London, etc.? Please.

[DorianGrayism]

What happened in Amman?

[niriafanorev]

Dabashi is brilliant.

[fraizer57]

This mother fucker Reza Aslan is the lobbyist for the terrorist regime of the killer Mullahs. He is closly linked with another terrorist supporter Trita Parsi. He is a thug.

[disjunctecykel]

Definitley.

[fraizer57]

niriafanorev, Yes Dabashi is a brilliant thug & the well paid mouth peice of the terrorist regime of the killer Mullahs & you are one of the idiots who cannot see the truth or research. Nevermind by there are many more like you used by thugs & sharlatans like Dabashi.

[fraizer57]

Dabashi is a thug, a charlatan, anti-US sleeper who should be kicked out of the US. But will the Americans wake up????

[niriafanorev]

The fact that you couldn't even get his name right the first time is pretty laughable. I guess every "America-hating" Middle East scholar is the same. You are ridiculous.

[fraizer57]

niriafanorev, hey jerk, I know the asshole fart face terrorist loving Hamid Dabashi too well. Mistakes happen. I know his whore wife Golbarg Bashi too. I know their ins & out so please fuck off & get lost.

[homelandar15]

muslims subcribe to a religion made up by a 7th century pedophile.

[zaids523]

Pedophile? Prophet Muhammad was not a pedophile. At that time marrying little girls was a tradition. The virgin marry had jesues when she was 12 years old.

[homelandar15]

muhammed (my piss be upon him) was a pedophile, he banged a 9 year old girl, stop making excuses, then again maybe you are a pedophile as well since you support him, tell me where u live so my Israeli friends can bulldoze yer house, terrorist varmint.

[zaids523]

I live in Seattle Washington in the united states. Come bulldoze my house down i dare you!

[zaids523]

I have many jewish friends and I am muslim.

[zaids523]

go ahead and bulldoze my house down. My neighboor hood is right accross the street from a police station. I don't mind seeing you in handcuffs! LOL

[homelandar15]

we are watching you. savage varmint.

[MrBlastula]

Interesting how you call other savages, then threaten to buldoze their house. How can this be - that you violently threaten someone for acting the way you are acting?

[homelandar15]

@MrBlastula ,,, yer house is next.

[blogegog]

This man loses credibility when he quotes the Lancet report as factual. I'm looking forward to Raymond's response.