As a veteran of the us army, jump school, deployed twice and raised in the bayous of Louisiana I can tell you that my family and I would bug out. We would survive in the wilderness where fewer lazy and unscrupulous people are likely to be found. Why? Because in order to bug in in an urban environment you need virtually an unlimited supply of ammo and food. You can expect to fight continuously to protect your home. I prefer isolation.
@MrBuddyw Same here, i Live in..well you probably haven;t heard of it (somerville Tennessee) there ain't no one out here where i live. I'd definately be bugging out ...
Consider charity prepping. Pack a five gallon bucket or two and gift them to your families who have space to store them and forget about them untill they need them. Especially to those who think us silly for doing it. Katrina had preppers, but their prepping did them no good under 20 feet of water. At the end of the day, it will come down to ones personal commitment to train and adapt to whatever they come up against. Its just not enought to buy provisions. Situational awareness + skills=
Hollywood has programed many to believe they could "survive" with the provision of basic needs. It is good to prepare and fight for freedom. I will, but i know FOR A FACT that the US military can root out a mouse out of the woods from space with a 19 year old boy behind a joystick and flat screen. Economic conditions...bug in. Natural disasters...adapt. Marshal law...bug out. Travel subdued, live subdued, hide your cashe. Have a contingentcy plan and share it with your loved ones.
Sure. It is most likely that in any event natural or manmade, one might more likely be defending himself from the government than community. Both are dangerous and can be a cause to "bug in or out". The issue in my mind is more a matter of marshal law and segregation. Controling peoples of threat is a priority of our government. Preppers can easily be assumed armed. This is an issue durring control or containment of a community. Seek Katrina videos and government disarming citizens.
I would agree, bugging in at home is my best option for my family. I now live near LA in Southern California and I can bet the highways will be gridlocked if trying to leave by car. There is no wildlife nearby to hunt for and trying to live in the wild would be impossible. Funny thing is, my in-laws laugh at me for storing food, water, propane, gasoline, water filters, propane stoves and candles. And we live in the biggest earthquake zone in the USA.
I have a limited (very) budget. My own perspective is that I would not be planning to necessarily be able to get out. In a fast occuring emergency like a emp or solar storm, most will be unable to get to their bug ourt shelter. Make your home or apartment your bug out place. Lots of food and water and filtration stuff so you can make more potable water. Have a long gun at the least and maybe a pistol too. know how and be willing to use them. If you have neighbors of like mind, band together.
Bugging out , only takes training, practice..thanks for the honest sharing in your vid. Alot of ppl, don't have experience..I suggest, pack a bug out bag, and take a walk in the bush for the weekend, and see what you got , and need to get that experience. Take a note pad, to write out your needs for our next weekend , training. when you got more experience, take a friend..and see how you do with company. Read some books, learn about plants, etc etc..practice practice. Good vid. thanx
always bug in unless the fed is radeing houses and your house is a block away or crazed gangbangers are storming houses near buy and theres no more cops to call, but even then come back in a few hours or the next day, dont go play cave man unless you realy have too
Unless sheltering in place would be fatal, I'd prefer not to bug out at all. One's resources at home are far greater than anything you could carry on your back. Resources equal survival. I work in a large city. My emergency bags in the car and office are designed to sustain me long enough to get home. The resources at home are designed to sustain my family and me for months. Bugging out would be my last resort.
part 2 of post. just bugging out to the woods is stupid. the only places this would work is in massive wild areas like the Yukon. Most bug out bags on youtube only contain short life span items and not the type of gear that will last a life time in the woods. most emergency are short term but if you only plan for the short term you will die when something long term happens.
@jqevolvement Bugging out in the woods, is all good. You gotta keep your confidence up, and know how skills tuned. A few trips to the woods, will do just that for anyone. The transition from a Chaos City envir to the woods can be difficult for many ppl..practicing any skill is a good thing. I am far in the woods, and going to a city enviro is difficult for me. I'd rather stay in the bush and live my skills than not have any.
The only time you should bug out is if your bug in location has been compromised in some way. your bug in location must provide food for you not just store food for you. If you do not have a rain catch or well at your house it is not a bug in location. you should also have animals that produce food and only if all else fail become food. you should also have a green house and some nut trees. If you do bug out it should be to a friends house. when I mean friend I mean someone who not loose it.
shtf concept: buging in until the last possible moment, my house will become a battle machine and ill defend my family at all costs and vise versa i trust all of them with my life. but if things go south on that plan then bugging out is inevitble and me and my family would relocate to nearby woods until we plan otherwise
@TheTacticalsurvivor It is good, to have a plan..a meeting place for you and family to meet, in case you have to bug out. Cities power grid is off , in case of EMP attack (extreme , yes) or solar storms. Or Army relocated b/c of Floods, Terrorist attack, etc. So many reasons to bug out. Best to be prepared, than not. :-))
@MrBushLife yea i know. thats why i said id evacuate my house at the last possible moment and relocate to my woods and then plan the escape. i alos agree it is better to be prepared, and ive yet to meet someone more prepared then me as gfar as edc goes that is. i literally have more capabilities then 90% of the peopel in my city of 35000. and my edc is consistent as well, i beleive a good edc is the platfrom of prepardness.
@TheTacticalsurvivor The probability of successful escape and evasion against the technological capabilities of our government is at best a competition of who can hold their breath the longest. My observations of bugging and the practical skill sets needed for survival on the streets or the woods is a shallow view of what we as victims are really up against. It is good to fight for survival. The world is too small to hide in anymore. Technology is far more advanced than the best hid bunker.
A dynamic reaction is smart. I would like to bug in and protect my property. The reality is that in the case you may not be able to bug in...we should be training for it. I would hope that you would consider experiencing as many options as you are able to conjure. Contingency prepping is what I have chosen for myself and family. Experience street survival, traveling long distances by foot (overnight), travel as far away from your home on one tank of gas, Prep for mobility and know your range.
If I had to bug out here in Florida .. It would be much easier . Never gets cold , fish and animals everywhere . Some places are hard to find water . But I have prepared a bit for that search . Canada just seems Cold!! :-P. I figure ... Prepare for both ,"Life is what happens while your busy making other plans"
@Beachcrib I live well in the Frigid Canadian north. It takes more energy to live , everyday..but here in Northern Canada, most of our time is about living to survive, as comfortable as possible. Bugging out, is a way of life , preppin is a Canadian Chore. Everyday. lol
I think probability regarding true SHTF type scenarios suggests a Bug-in situation initially. Then, again depending upon the situation X, bugging out in search of resources. Thanks!
....your familly and taking your chances in the remote areas, especially if you live in Canada. There is so much open area in this country. Just think North! and keep going.
Good question though, and a good question for anyone to answer to themselves and get people thinking.. "What if...??"
I am still watiing to see your videos of your Christmas Camping adventure!!!
...how many people are going with you? are their supplies already planned ahead and there waiting for you? Do you own and have access to something for defense of you and your familly - firearms, and for hunting.
I think we need more info for this. Maybe you have no choice? assuming that it is a worst case scenario, war, complete social/financial collapse, you may have no choice if you are in an urban setting. In my humble opinion, in those type of cases you may be better off packing up....
I think you need to define a few parameters first though?
What is the situation? What is the need for 'bugging out'? Where are you located? What do you have at your disposal at the time?
And I wouldn't sell yourself short. You might be amazed at how well you could survive out in the the bush if you had no choice.
And you need to define what is preparred ahead of time? Location of where to go? Means of transport if necessary? Is the location accesible? Is it too accessible?...
I live really close to a major metropolitan area and if there was any major collapse of the infrastructure, like no food or water getting in. It would take about 3 days before people would start to go nuts and I don't plan on trying to defend someplace from roving gangs, it would be impossible to do. Basically I'm bugging out. Take Care :-))
We plan on bugging in, it's not that we don't have some knowledge of bugging out in the woods, it's that we're too damned old and out of shape and we have no time to get into shape physically and mentally. It's the hazards of being truck drivers.
We should also keep in mind that poor people are considered to be undesirable. If a person's income falls too far below the median and he can no longer fit into the prevailing lifestyle of his community, his community will work to expel him. That's just a harsh reality.
As suggested, I read Duncan Long's essay. He argues to stay within a strong community structure. It's sage advice. But, in my view, not everyone will be able to manage that. Many people will, in fact, become "backpack survivalists" due to circumstances instead of choice.
If you lose your home, you lose your ability to “bug in.” For a number of years, I have been enamored with yurts. Relatively inexpensive and portable, they offer some unique housing solutions for a wide range of situations. You can either buy them or construct your own from common materials. But zoning considerations complicate their use.
There's no one best answer. And situations can change very quickly. Consider what happened during Katrina. Some people simply had to evacuate. Certainly, family considerations are huge. The very young and the infirm may be unable to travel far or live in the wilderness.
Your choice to bug in is a great choice. if SHTF there would be a great deal of chaos initially and it would be easy to be stuck in the middle if choosing to bug out to early. leave resources only when absolutely necessary.
I think of my urban condo as both a robust tent and as a large back-pack ... Obviously, weight is not an issue if you do not need to carry stuff. This means you can have months of food and water and larger tools, on hand. But ... in a crowded urban zip-code, the security situation can deteriorate, over-night. Even within my own building ... what happens after all the water in their toilet tank is gone ? ... When my neighbors cupbord runs bare? ... I may have a 12GA but I do gotta sleep. Hmmm.
Stay at home but be prepared to bug out if need it. Have everything ready to bug out, so you can leave within 30 minutes. Make a list in advance of ALL the stuff that needs to be done right before bugging out - you may have to leave in a hurry or in panic. Do a few bugging out simulations/drills to see what goes wrong and how to fix it.
At all costs we're bugging in unless things are so bad that we have to leave then we have bugout locations to go to - family friends who know we're coming if it's no longer plausible to stay here. We are not going to be refugees. But those who think they'll just put on their BOB and head for the woods check out Duncan Longs writting called Backpack Fever and read it.
I was going to do a video on the same thing. I agree Bugging in makes more sense Then taking my family on the road unprotected. Good shit, though. Nice work.
I'm not preparing for a biblical end of the world scenario, I'm preparing for the obvious and inevitable (which is a prolonged Greece style economic crash) coming to our neck of the woods. There is absolutely, positively NO WAY I'm keeping my family in an urban setting with hungry, angry, chaotic mobs running wild throwing molotov cocktails and pillaging as a PLAN A! More population = fighting for fewer resources. Buy yourself a trailer if you are worried about living in a cave. Be mobile.
Because my wife is disable and my son has autism, I would bug in if possible. That said, I know the building I'm in now is not the strongest structure, so "bugging out" has to be an major option.
I will bug out. I am in Moscow and i would like to get the hell out of here when SHTF. We have a place to go to, but it's quite a distance. Staying in Moscow is not an option for me though.
Id only bugout if my area was gonna be nuked or it was a political persecution (gestapo style) and I had to evasively find my way to a more friendly area on the continent.
I was thinking of this exact topic recently. Unless you have somewhere decent to go OR it's gotten unbearable at home, I'd have to bug in. With that much chaos, the roads would probably be unsafe anyway. It's a decision that will be difficult to weigh. And with leaving, you leave behind a lot of resources
I've always looked at the idea of bugging out to mean that the risk of staying was too high. I think we'd all prefer to stay at home and ride out the storm but if the situation is bad enough, it might not be practical. This is why people spend a lot of time and money finding/constructing bug out locations.
Bugging in. It's much more practical. You already have supplies how ever meager inside including the most important SHELTER. Bugging out and leaving everything behind to go into the woods would only be my choice if staying behind means death.
If the situation allows, I'll choose bugging IN. That said, I learned last summer that bugging OUT doesn't mean taking my GO back to the woods. In our area we had record fires which forced mass evacuations. Shelters in schools and other locations were established in neighboring towns. That lasted only a week, then back home. Its would have to be really bad to force most people to woods. Hopefully, we'll never be forced to use those skills, but only for enjoyment.
Never heard said like that but I agree 100%. I work 40miles from home and have a Bag I carry w next to nothing mostly to and from job stuff but I do have some get out of dodge and come home to wife and kids.
I think it's always preferable to bug in unless some sort of natural disaster or civil unrest make that choice unwise. Having a functional bug out location that is about a 4 hour drive from any major city would be the best option. Bugging out to the woods would be the absolute last resort as in essence you would only have the gear that you can carry on your back.
I'm bugging in. Lack of skills and resources, plus unless the electricity goes down for over a month, I don't see people panicking about having to switch currencies or suffering through $7 to $8 a gallon gas.
One last item. If social unrest did make your area unsafe, a location to remove to would be in a small town that contains a military installation would be best. Military men will defend their families and home town aggressively. No safer place.
Bugging out means that your home/fortress has become less safe than being in an open wilderness or travel to a remote site. Chem/Bio/Nuke would make travel as risky as staying. Rioting gangs would be at disadvantage to armed resistance, but you would have to have numbers (shootrs,guns,ammo). In 99.9% of situations I could imagine, the home is the best place. Your wealth, shelter, food, & community are there. ID like minded people and discuss ways to support each.
@envirosponsible. It's nice to hear someone who doesn't think they're Rambo, and can be honest about they're skill set/intentions. I have a lot of respect for you. And am glad to be a subscriber
honestly each is pointless unless proper action is taken prior to event. Take Ike for example everyone tried to leave at once and no one got anywhere. Aside from the Mad Max fantasy of roaming through the streets at night with your BOB and AR you arent getting anywhere.
on the flip side staying where you are at may not work either as you may be forced to leave. the best bet is move away from large populations now
@cbr6864 and why does bugging out have to mean your off to the woods? it would be far wiser to maybe travel to another town. the only reason to so called "bug out" would be if all resources in your location were used up or there was an immediate lasting threat that can neither be avoided or overcome.
It's funny all this talk of shtf, and its all geared towards heading for the hills. No one wants to stay in town and help with putting things back together. Setting up community gardens, pooling talents to get things fixed, or starting some sort of neighborhood watch.
Bugging in unless the event is at my door. Working an hour from home makes getting home the priority. Trying to motivate a wife and four kids would be like trying to herd cats.
I'm bugging in. I have a few locations where I would be welcome to bug out too, assuming I didn't get myself killed in the process. But i have to many relatives who wouldn't be able to make that distance. My neighbors on either side of my house were discussing this the other day. ( It's funny the places you meet other preppers). I think I would stay where i am. I'm not expecting a total crazy grid down WROL collapse, some serious hardships and civil unrest though.
Depends....flu pandemic no ? im in weather in civil unrest hmm im a city gal im getting out the city for financial reasons hmmm dont have enough skills to bug out ie camping might explore that
Like you said, it's what your situation is. I have two daughters under 10 and I have had 2 strokes and 7 Cardio stents. Raised in South Miss. In Swamps and standard woods. It is a tough call, could I do it? yes It would be tough though.
Love the comments! I know I can hold up at home in my place for a while but eventually supplies will run low or out and you will have to venture out. I'm just glad I'm not the only one who is prepping up and learning new skills for the "when things happen, not if" thanks to all of you who take the time to post new ideas, skills, tricks, or information on the subject. Knowledge is our best survival tool... Thanks everyone
Years a go I really train to be Bug OUT but only going North to my Father's large house or Uncle's "Mid-sized" farm . Where there was a place for everyone BUT now I am the oldest of the Family Alive With NO Secured place for me and or other Family Running to me I just had a family of four here for three weeks that empty everything I had uncluiding some of my Emergency Supplies. I still can not believe that there is over 80 homes in a housing Development where there was our Farm.
bugging out is a fantasy the reality is in 99% of the shit that could happen its smarter and safer to stay in it is possible that you could be forced to leave your home for some reason but even than the woods is going to be the last place to go if you have a choice
Bugging in is always the best option with a couple exceptions like exposure to some biological or chemical hazard or complete civil breakdown. Good stuff - look forward to your next videos
There is no such thing as bugging in, it is like saying you are going home when you are already going home, it is stupid. The reality is that we all live at home but certain disasters will require us to bug out because the danger IS at home so you must bug out. House is on fire beyond what you can control, flood water is up to your second floor, it's all a no brainer. Your value in all this is that you are now looking at how to live at home without heat, water, etc. Love your videos, keep it up!
About bugging out that most people don't realize. There are people in the areas you think are wilderness. Most of them are armed, & like their quiet rural lives. These folks will stop most of the idiots that think they are gonna bug out to the woods, who make it past the traffic jams. There will be road blocks, fallen trees, rock slides, blown bridges, etc. Plus armed people shooting trespassers. Rural areas can only sup[port a limited amount & the people there know it. Don't rely on bug out!
Bugging in is always the preferred plan. It means you have more supplies since your not limited to what you can pack. There are times when leaving is your only option & so you should be prepared for the possible bug out. Not only having supplies BOB ready, but knowing when & how to bug out properly. The time window for a bug out is small, so you need to know when and your route ahead of time. Remember the folks in rural areas will not like hoards coming to their area, & will set up obstacles.
I've come to the same conclusion. If machete-wielding thugs are seen going house to house, where to go? Most realistic solution is simply getting in your car and driving away with a BOB enough to last a day or two. If it gets worse than that there will be too much to carry out anyway.
Depends on what caused the disaster. I live alone in a pretty big city, so I would prolly bug out if I knew the situation was not going to resolve within 2 weeks. Problem for me is I don't have many locations to bug out to. Even if I drive my truck until it runs out of gas and then backpack to BFE, I might still be better off holding up inside my home...
I would be much more comfortable bugging in especially because we have a new addition to our family and it's just so much easier to stay here in the comfort of our home with the little one. However, if the circumstances arise where we need to get out, I am prepared to do so. We both have been backcountry camping for years and have the gear if necessary to comfortably bug out. Now it's just a matter of preparing the little one for such an event. Anyone have links on good baby BOB ideas?
Probably would bug in, elder people in the family and the traffic here (without any problem) is already chaotic. An alternative to bug out car that I thought was really interesting is this one /watch?v=-7HwmpUgIMM&feature=fvst. Again, not good for elders but would overcome the problem of traffic and fuel.
Bugging out is evacuation. In some situations it's required so being prepared to leave quickly with as many prepped items as we can carry is important (with weight vs mobility considered). With that said... our homes are our safest places to hold-up at all other times. If someone has prepped a 2nd home as a safe 'bug-out' location... then they are also bugging-in technically albeit after a location switch.
So focusing on home security, opsec, etc should be a priority for everyone.
I would bug in short term. 3-4 weeks but you would eventually need to leave your home to get the essentials for life. Ie. food, fuel, medicine ect. That's why knowing what plants, trees, animals, can do for you on all levels is a must. If we do get the grand daddy of solar flares, we will be knocked back to the stone age and forced to live like our founding fathers did.
@wildwillysearchgod If you wait 3-4 weeks before you try to bug out, won't the streets be full of mobs and starving people-zombies? Do you think we would have to make the decision in the first few days, before the unprepared people run out of mountain dew and hot pockets and start looting the streets?
Hey Brother..Its always better to bug in...until its not safe anymore.I am in The Bronx in NYC.
I expect when the SHTF..The Sheeple will all get on the road and traffic will be insane.I plan to lay low.I have enough Food and water to last me 6 months.I also have the other things necessary to protect those assets.I think it all depends on what the Situation is...But bugging in would always be better.Thanks for the topic.
@envirosponsible Having watched many of your past videos where you seemed to focus more on outdoor survival with all the knives, gear and goodies it's interesting to see you changing course somewhat. Here's what I attribute your new direction to: 1) aging, 2) heightened recognition of responsibility, and 3) depth of maturity.
I say these thing with the greatest respect for you and simply mean that as we move through life we change with our changing situations. We become wiser. :)
I agree. There's a lot people who have very unrealistic ideas of how things would go down in a emergency. I don't think it's just about skill level either, it's also a matter of location and population. If you live in Los Angeles, where are you going to bug out to? Especially when there's 10 million other people who are panicking and evacuating.
Have you ever read SHTFschool? Theguy has a prettygood story about being stuck in the middle of the Bosnian conflict and there not really being anywhere togo. I remember on MrLockandLoad's site had someone had posted agreat article about how when it comes togetting into a "SHTF" situation it'smore of agradual thing due to economics, and you just find yourself in a shit country with nowhere togo and you just have to make due with where you live and wish you had prepared, maybe one day make it out
95% of the time you would always 'Bug In' ... Protection is the 1st priority of Survival ... You need to know your surrounding and have a roof over your heads ... If your like me I got too much gear to carry ... I got 5 in my family ... Old, young and inexperienced ... 'Bugging Out' should always be a last resort
OH YEAH!!! If you were a lone wolf different story. We need to think first and foremost of Our Family, and more so the Weakest Link, so Bug In for as long as possible is a mandatory!!!
Bro it is my opinion but when an event happened in my area i was able to rely on my supplies instead of running out to the market. My Princesses never went without, and bro that is my best argument.
I agree. Bugging in is the best idea in a lot of cases unless your home is comprised by riots, fire, evacuation, etc. In that case, unless you have friends or family to go to, or your ok with a FEMA type encampment... The skills to live in a bugout location would make a lot of sence to have...
@mrnewman71 you would go hunt down people and steal their stuff? What about pulling together to try to survive. Don't be an ass hole or karma will get you in the end
in case of EMP, I stay ready to bug out. I live in an apt building with 8 units. One idiot with a candle means I am bugging out whether I want to or not. I doubt if I would make it bugging out, but it may not be a choice.
I would like to bug in.. BUT, the thought of riots and stuff in town would not be a good thing for bugging in the house.. if they know your there, and they want what you have.. and you dont give it to them.. they could jsut burn your house down.. and you would just loose everything.
I like the safty of bugging out better... but the chances of having a better living situation would be bugging in.
Bug in for sure... as long and it was safe, good shelter and better to defend and easy to modify for your needs.. plus thats where all your supplies are. why leave them.. sure cant take them all with you.
I think you're right.
RockyMountainPrepper 1 week ago
As a veteran of the us army, jump school, deployed twice and raised in the bayous of Louisiana I can tell you that my family and I would bug out. We would survive in the wilderness where fewer lazy and unscrupulous people are likely to be found. Why? Because in order to bug in in an urban environment you need virtually an unlimited supply of ammo and food. You can expect to fight continuously to protect your home. I prefer isolation.
MrBuddyw 1 week ago
@MrBuddyw Same here, i Live in..well you probably haven;t heard of it (somerville Tennessee) there ain't no one out here where i live. I'd definately be bugging out ...
DukeOfTennessee117 4 days ago
SURVIVAL
TheMicroknight 2 weeks ago
Consider charity prepping. Pack a five gallon bucket or two and gift them to your families who have space to store them and forget about them untill they need them. Especially to those who think us silly for doing it. Katrina had preppers, but their prepping did them no good under 20 feet of water. At the end of the day, it will come down to ones personal commitment to train and adapt to whatever they come up against. Its just not enought to buy provisions. Situational awareness + skills=
TheMicroknight 2 weeks ago
Hollywood has programed many to believe they could "survive" with the provision of basic needs. It is good to prepare and fight for freedom. I will, but i know FOR A FACT that the US military can root out a mouse out of the woods from space with a 19 year old boy behind a joystick and flat screen. Economic conditions...bug in. Natural disasters...adapt. Marshal law...bug out. Travel subdued, live subdued, hide your cashe. Have a contingentcy plan and share it with your loved ones.
TheMicroknight 2 weeks ago
Sure. It is most likely that in any event natural or manmade, one might more likely be defending himself from the government than community. Both are dangerous and can be a cause to "bug in or out". The issue in my mind is more a matter of marshal law and segregation. Controling peoples of threat is a priority of our government. Preppers can easily be assumed armed. This is an issue durring control or containment of a community. Seek Katrina videos and government disarming citizens.
TheMicroknight 2 weeks ago
I agree 100%. I'm staying put.
swilliams2482 2 weeks ago
I would agree, bugging in at home is my best option for my family. I now live near LA in Southern California and I can bet the highways will be gridlocked if trying to leave by car. There is no wildlife nearby to hunt for and trying to live in the wild would be impossible. Funny thing is, my in-laws laugh at me for storing food, water, propane, gasoline, water filters, propane stoves and candles. And we live in the biggest earthquake zone in the USA.
GTVAlfaMan 2 weeks ago
I have a limited (very) budget. My own perspective is that I would not be planning to necessarily be able to get out. In a fast occuring emergency like a emp or solar storm, most will be unable to get to their bug ourt shelter. Make your home or apartment your bug out place. Lots of food and water and filtration stuff so you can make more potable water. Have a long gun at the least and maybe a pistol too. know how and be willing to use them. If you have neighbors of like mind, band together.
heartfire451 3 weeks ago
100 % right! BUT If you do have to leave your home are you ready?
tpm1602 3 weeks ago
Bugging out = being homeless..are you prepped ??
MrBushLife 3 weeks ago
Bugging out , only takes training, practice..thanks for the honest sharing in your vid. Alot of ppl, don't have experience..I suggest, pack a bug out bag, and take a walk in the bush for the weekend, and see what you got , and need to get that experience. Take a note pad, to write out your needs for our next weekend , training. when you got more experience, take a friend..and see how you do with company. Read some books, learn about plants, etc etc..practice practice. Good vid. thanx
MrBushLife 3 weeks ago
always bug in unless the fed is radeing houses and your house is a block away or crazed gangbangers are storming houses near buy and theres no more cops to call, but even then come back in a few hours or the next day, dont go play cave man unless you realy have too
whiteboypatrickkelly 4 weeks ago
I agree bugging in is better than bugging out. Why run away?
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Unless sheltering in place would be fatal, I'd prefer not to bug out at all. One's resources at home are far greater than anything you could carry on your back. Resources equal survival. I work in a large city. My emergency bags in the car and office are designed to sustain me long enough to get home. The resources at home are designed to sustain my family and me for months. Bugging out would be my last resort.
DCavalcade 1 month ago
part 2 of post. just bugging out to the woods is stupid. the only places this would work is in massive wild areas like the Yukon. Most bug out bags on youtube only contain short life span items and not the type of gear that will last a life time in the woods. most emergency are short term but if you only plan for the short term you will die when something long term happens.
jqevolvement 1 month ago
@jqevolvement Bugging out in the woods, is all good. You gotta keep your confidence up, and know how skills tuned. A few trips to the woods, will do just that for anyone. The transition from a Chaos City envir to the woods can be difficult for many ppl..practicing any skill is a good thing. I am far in the woods, and going to a city enviro is difficult for me. I'd rather stay in the bush and live my skills than not have any.
MrBushLife 3 weeks ago
The only time you should bug out is if your bug in location has been compromised in some way. your bug in location must provide food for you not just store food for you. If you do not have a rain catch or well at your house it is not a bug in location. you should also have animals that produce food and only if all else fail become food. you should also have a green house and some nut trees. If you do bug out it should be to a friends house. when I mean friend I mean someone who not loose it.
jqevolvement 1 month ago
bug out to my bug in location
Gunnslinger50 1 month ago
no spying
twix5500 1 month ago
shtf concept: buging in until the last possible moment, my house will become a battle machine and ill defend my family at all costs and vise versa i trust all of them with my life. but if things go south on that plan then bugging out is inevitble and me and my family would relocate to nearby woods until we plan otherwise
TheTacticalsurvivor 1 month ago
@TheTacticalsurvivor It is good, to have a plan..a meeting place for you and family to meet, in case you have to bug out. Cities power grid is off , in case of EMP attack (extreme , yes) or solar storms. Or Army relocated b/c of Floods, Terrorist attack, etc. So many reasons to bug out. Best to be prepared, than not. :-))
MrBushLife 3 weeks ago
@MrBushLife yea i know. thats why i said id evacuate my house at the last possible moment and relocate to my woods and then plan the escape. i alos agree it is better to be prepared, and ive yet to meet someone more prepared then me as gfar as edc goes that is. i literally have more capabilities then 90% of the peopel in my city of 35000. and my edc is consistent as well, i beleive a good edc is the platfrom of prepardness.
TheTacticalsurvivor 3 weeks ago
@TheTacticalsurvivor Well said. :-))
MrBushLife 3 weeks ago
@TheTacticalsurvivor The probability of successful escape and evasion against the technological capabilities of our government is at best a competition of who can hold their breath the longest. My observations of bugging and the practical skill sets needed for survival on the streets or the woods is a shallow view of what we as victims are really up against. It is good to fight for survival. The world is too small to hide in anymore. Technology is far more advanced than the best hid bunker.
TheMicroknight 2 weeks ago
@TheMicroknight im not sure i understand wht this mean haha. mind dumbing it down for us less equiped in vocabulary mate.
TheTacticalsurvivor 2 weeks ago
A dynamic reaction is smart. I would like to bug in and protect my property. The reality is that in the case you may not be able to bug in...we should be training for it. I would hope that you would consider experiencing as many options as you are able to conjure. Contingency prepping is what I have chosen for myself and family. Experience street survival, traveling long distances by foot (overnight), travel as far away from your home on one tank of gas, Prep for mobility and know your range.
TheMicroknight 1 month ago
@TheMicroknight Nice post. I would hang out with the hard core Homeless ppl and get a few survival Urban lessons from them.
MrBushLife 3 weeks ago
If I had to bug out here in Florida .. It would be much easier . Never gets cold , fish and animals everywhere . Some places are hard to find water . But I have prepared a bit for that search . Canada just seems Cold!! :-P. I figure ... Prepare for both ,"Life is what happens while your busy making other plans"
Beachcrib 1 month ago
@Beachcrib I live well in the Frigid Canadian north. It takes more energy to live , everyday..but here in Northern Canada, most of our time is about living to survive, as comfortable as possible. Bugging out, is a way of life , preppin is a Canadian Chore. Everyday. lol
MrBushLife 3 weeks ago
I all depends on what is happening, but bug in as long as you can and while you're bugging in, be preparing to bug out.
greenwolf401 1 month ago
I think probability regarding true SHTF type scenarios suggests a Bug-in situation initially. Then, again depending upon the situation X, bugging out in search of resources. Thanks!
tkruse12345 1 month ago
....your familly and taking your chances in the remote areas, especially if you live in Canada. There is so much open area in this country. Just think North! and keep going.
Good question though, and a good question for anyone to answer to themselves and get people thinking.. "What if...??"
I am still watiing to see your videos of your Christmas Camping adventure!!!
Bored197272 1 month ago
...how many people are going with you? are their supplies already planned ahead and there waiting for you? Do you own and have access to something for defense of you and your familly - firearms, and for hunting.
I think we need more info for this. Maybe you have no choice? assuming that it is a worst case scenario, war, complete social/financial collapse, you may have no choice if you are in an urban setting. In my humble opinion, in those type of cases you may be better off packing up....
Bored197272 1 month ago
Hi Enviro,
I think you need to define a few parameters first though?
What is the situation? What is the need for 'bugging out'? Where are you located? What do you have at your disposal at the time?
And I wouldn't sell yourself short. You might be amazed at how well you could survive out in the the bush if you had no choice.
And you need to define what is preparred ahead of time? Location of where to go? Means of transport if necessary? Is the location accesible? Is it too accessible?...
Bored197272 1 month ago
I live really close to a major metropolitan area and if there was any major collapse of the infrastructure, like no food or water getting in. It would take about 3 days before people would start to go nuts and I don't plan on trying to defend someplace from roving gangs, it would be impossible to do. Basically I'm bugging out. Take Care :-))
SurviveN2 1 month ago
We plan on bugging in, it's not that we don't have some knowledge of bugging out in the woods, it's that we're too damned old and out of shape and we have no time to get into shape physically and mentally. It's the hazards of being truck drivers.
danzak44 1 month ago
i'd probably bug in. i couldn't take ALL my supplies with me if i had to bug out.
TheSmackfan101 1 month ago
We should also keep in mind that poor people are considered to be undesirable. If a person's income falls too far below the median and he can no longer fit into the prevailing lifestyle of his community, his community will work to expel him. That's just a harsh reality.
Kayakwinds 1 month ago
As suggested, I read Duncan Long's essay. He argues to stay within a strong community structure. It's sage advice. But, in my view, not everyone will be able to manage that. Many people will, in fact, become "backpack survivalists" due to circumstances instead of choice.
Kayakwinds 1 month ago
If you lose your home, you lose your ability to “bug in.” For a number of years, I have been enamored with yurts. Relatively inexpensive and portable, they offer some unique housing solutions for a wide range of situations. You can either buy them or construct your own from common materials. But zoning considerations complicate their use.
Kayakwinds 1 month ago
There's no one best answer. And situations can change very quickly. Consider what happened during Katrina. Some people simply had to evacuate. Certainly, family considerations are huge. The very young and the infirm may be unable to travel far or live in the wilderness.
Kayakwinds 1 month ago
Your choice to bug in is a great choice. if SHTF there would be a great deal of chaos initially and it would be easy to be stuck in the middle if choosing to bug out to early. leave resources only when absolutely necessary.
yrofddragon 1 month ago
You are 100% Correct. Why leave all your preparations behind? Stay safe and stay home.
hial22 1 month ago
The proper question should be: bug from
Lennler 1 month ago
Good idea, hadn't thought much about it, new brain food.
pentest 1 month ago
I think of my urban condo as both a robust tent and as a large back-pack ... Obviously, weight is not an issue if you do not need to carry stuff. This means you can have months of food and water and larger tools, on hand. But ... in a crowded urban zip-code, the security situation can deteriorate, over-night. Even within my own building ... what happens after all the water in their toilet tank is gone ? ... When my neighbors cupbord runs bare? ... I may have a 12GA but I do gotta sleep. Hmmm.
phrankus2009 1 month ago
Stay at home but be prepared to bug out if need it. Have everything ready to bug out, so you can leave within 30 minutes. Make a list in advance of ALL the stuff that needs to be done right before bugging out - you may have to leave in a hurry or in panic. Do a few bugging out simulations/drills to see what goes wrong and how to fix it.
dmichalczyk 1 month ago
At all costs we're bugging in unless things are so bad that we have to leave then we have bugout locations to go to - family friends who know we're coming if it's no longer plausible to stay here. We are not going to be refugees. But those who think they'll just put on their BOB and head for the woods check out Duncan Longs writting called Backpack Fever and read it.
hallard069 1 month ago
I was going to do a video on the same thing. I agree Bugging in makes more sense Then taking my family on the road unprotected. Good shit, though. Nice work.
TheAngryPrepper 1 month ago
Baring an invitation from a solid off the grid Group, I will be here in my apartment for the foreseeable future . . .
hlaser88 1 month ago
All is up to the situation. You can always prepare a vacation home (if its your property) for a bugout place.
You have make sure that it can be reached: think of roads, traffic jams, roadblocks, gasoline, time to get there.
Trailtraveller 1 month ago
I'm not preparing for a biblical end of the world scenario, I'm preparing for the obvious and inevitable (which is a prolonged Greece style economic crash) coming to our neck of the woods. There is absolutely, positively NO WAY I'm keeping my family in an urban setting with hungry, angry, chaotic mobs running wild throwing molotov cocktails and pillaging as a PLAN A! More population = fighting for fewer resources. Buy yourself a trailer if you are worried about living in a cave. Be mobile.
mookixox 1 month ago
Because my wife is disable and my son has autism, I would bug in if possible. That said, I know the building I'm in now is not the strongest structure, so "bugging out" has to be an major option.
CaptainFur 1 month ago
Montréal is an island with 2.1M. heads ... Laval is another island with about 400K people. Both with few bridges.
If something happens, I'm buggin' out... due north that is. I think the organized gangs who will do most damages will be the "forces of law".
Lepiratepoulpe 1 month ago
Im in LA. I have a destination in mind with friends already there. I'm Bugging out!!!
Mrhumantiger 1 month ago
I will bug out. I am in Moscow and i would like to get the hell out of here when SHTF. We have a place to go to, but it's quite a distance. Staying in Moscow is not an option for me though.
Moscowprepper 1 month ago
Bug in my wife and youngest daughter would rather die than rough it out doors heh.
standingbear39 1 month ago
yes i agree. i would definitely try to bug in unless impossible.
traveln3 1 month ago
Id only bugout if my area was gonna be nuked or it was a political persecution (gestapo style) and I had to evasively find my way to a more friendly area on the continent.
MrDeathstyle 1 month ago
I was thinking of this exact topic recently. Unless you have somewhere decent to go OR it's gotten unbearable at home, I'd have to bug in. With that much chaos, the roads would probably be unsafe anyway. It's a decision that will be difficult to weigh. And with leaving, you leave behind a lot of resources
mostlymichaelcanada 1 month ago
I've always looked at the idea of bugging out to mean that the risk of staying was too high. I think we'd all prefer to stay at home and ride out the storm but if the situation is bad enough, it might not be practical. This is why people spend a lot of time and money finding/constructing bug out locations.
hohldk 1 month ago
Bugging in. It's much more practical. You already have supplies how ever meager inside including the most important SHELTER. Bugging out and leaving everything behind to go into the woods would only be my choice if staying behind means death.
zhaneranger 1 month ago
If the situation allows, I'll choose bugging IN. That said, I learned last summer that bugging OUT doesn't mean taking my GO back to the woods. In our area we had record fires which forced mass evacuations. Shelters in schools and other locations were established in neighboring towns. That lasted only a week, then back home. Its would have to be really bad to force most people to woods. Hopefully, we'll never be forced to use those skills, but only for enjoyment.
voices01 1 month ago
Never heard said like that but I agree 100%. I work 40miles from home and have a Bag I carry w next to nothing mostly to and from job stuff but I do have some get out of dodge and come home to wife and kids.
BillyInnes 1 month ago
I think it's always preferable to bug in unless some sort of natural disaster or civil unrest make that choice unwise. Having a functional bug out location that is about a 4 hour drive from any major city would be the best option. Bugging out to the woods would be the absolute last resort as in essence you would only have the gear that you can carry on your back.
bwillan 1 month ago
I'm bugging in. Lack of skills and resources, plus unless the electricity goes down for over a month, I don't see people panicking about having to switch currencies or suffering through $7 to $8 a gallon gas.
rayme4raw 1 month ago
Buggin in for sure. Were already out in the country and have water , wood and garden space available.
GospelTruth37059 1 month ago
One last item. If social unrest did make your area unsafe, a location to remove to would be in a small town that contains a military installation would be best. Military men will defend their families and home town aggressively. No safer place.
1kings1918 1 month ago
Bugging out means that your home/fortress has become less safe than being in an open wilderness or travel to a remote site. Chem/Bio/Nuke would make travel as risky as staying. Rioting gangs would be at disadvantage to armed resistance, but you would have to have numbers (shootrs,guns,ammo). In 99.9% of situations I could imagine, the home is the best place. Your wealth, shelter, food, & community are there. ID like minded people and discuss ways to support each.
1kings1918 1 month ago
@envirosponsible. It's nice to hear someone who doesn't think they're Rambo, and can be honest about they're skill set/intentions. I have a lot of respect for you. And am glad to be a subscriber
Rumbinger 1 month ago 2
honestly each is pointless unless proper action is taken prior to event. Take Ike for example everyone tried to leave at once and no one got anywhere. Aside from the Mad Max fantasy of roaming through the streets at night with your BOB and AR you arent getting anywhere.
on the flip side staying where you are at may not work either as you may be forced to leave. the best bet is move away from large populations now
cbr6864 1 month ago
@cbr6864 and why does bugging out have to mean your off to the woods? it would be far wiser to maybe travel to another town. the only reason to so called "bug out" would be if all resources in your location were used up or there was an immediate lasting threat that can neither be avoided or overcome.
cbr6864 1 month ago
It's funny all this talk of shtf, and its all geared towards heading for the hills. No one wants to stay in town and help with putting things back together. Setting up community gardens, pooling talents to get things fixed, or starting some sort of neighborhood watch.
Rumbinger 1 month ago
Bugging in unless the event is at my door. Working an hour from home makes getting home the priority. Trying to motivate a wife and four kids would be like trying to herd cats.
themainman68 1 month ago
I'm bugging in. I have a few locations where I would be welcome to bug out too, assuming I didn't get myself killed in the process. But i have to many relatives who wouldn't be able to make that distance. My neighbors on either side of my house were discussing this the other day. ( It's funny the places you meet other preppers). I think I would stay where i am. I'm not expecting a total crazy grid down WROL collapse, some serious hardships and civil unrest though.
Rumbinger 1 month ago
my family bugs me out enough already...
a10fjet 1 month ago
I agree... Bugging In unless I just have to bug out..
sbjennings99 1 month ago
Depends....flu pandemic no ? im in weather in civil unrest hmm im a city gal im getting out the city for financial reasons hmmm dont have enough skills to bug out ie camping might explore that
cheska576 1 month ago
Like you said, it's what your situation is. I have two daughters under 10 and I have had 2 strokes and 7 Cardio stents. Raised in South Miss. In Swamps and standard woods. It is a tough call, could I do it? yes It would be tough though.
rlmccullough 1 month ago
Love the comments! I know I can hold up at home in my place for a while but eventually supplies will run low or out and you will have to venture out. I'm just glad I'm not the only one who is prepping up and learning new skills for the "when things happen, not if" thanks to all of you who take the time to post new ideas, skills, tricks, or information on the subject. Knowledge is our best survival tool... Thanks everyone
wildwillysearchgod 1 month ago
Years a go I really train to be Bug OUT but only going North to my Father's large house or Uncle's "Mid-sized" farm . Where there was a place for everyone BUT now I am the oldest of the Family Alive With NO Secured place for me and or other Family Running to me I just had a family of four here for three weeks that empty everything I had uncluiding some of my Emergency Supplies. I still can not believe that there is over 80 homes in a housing Development where there was our Farm.
RCvolunteer1978 1 month ago
bugging out is a fantasy the reality is in 99% of the shit that could happen its smarter and safer to stay in it is possible that you could be forced to leave your home for some reason but even than the woods is going to be the last place to go if you have a choice
roadhog1986 1 month ago
Bugging in is always the best option with a couple exceptions like exposure to some biological or chemical hazard or complete civil breakdown. Good stuff - look forward to your next videos
Nate
CdnLifeguard71 1 month ago
There is no such thing as bugging in, it is like saying you are going home when you are already going home, it is stupid. The reality is that we all live at home but certain disasters will require us to bug out because the danger IS at home so you must bug out. House is on fire beyond what you can control, flood water is up to your second floor, it's all a no brainer. Your value in all this is that you are now looking at how to live at home without heat, water, etc. Love your videos, keep it up!
Yoshin9 1 month ago
About bugging out that most people don't realize. There are people in the areas you think are wilderness. Most of them are armed, & like their quiet rural lives. These folks will stop most of the idiots that think they are gonna bug out to the woods, who make it past the traffic jams. There will be road blocks, fallen trees, rock slides, blown bridges, etc. Plus armed people shooting trespassers. Rural areas can only sup[port a limited amount & the people there know it. Don't rely on bug out!
illyounotme 1 month ago
Honesty. Telling it like it is. Well done, man. When you ditch your illusions, you see the world a hell of a lot clearer.
KiwiSurvival 1 month ago
Bugging in is always the preferred plan. It means you have more supplies since your not limited to what you can pack. There are times when leaving is your only option & so you should be prepared for the possible bug out. Not only having supplies BOB ready, but knowing when & how to bug out properly. The time window for a bug out is small, so you need to know when and your route ahead of time. Remember the folks in rural areas will not like hoards coming to their area, & will set up obstacles.
illyounotme 1 month ago
I've come to the same conclusion. If machete-wielding thugs are seen going house to house, where to go? Most realistic solution is simply getting in your car and driving away with a BOB enough to last a day or two. If it gets worse than that there will be too much to carry out anyway.
teamhunley 1 month ago
I use bug spray
blacktippydog 1 month ago
Depends on what caused the disaster. I live alone in a pretty big city, so I would prolly bug out if I knew the situation was not going to resolve within 2 weeks. Problem for me is I don't have many locations to bug out to. Even if I drive my truck until it runs out of gas and then backpack to BFE, I might still be better off holding up inside my home...
PatriotGoUSA 1 month ago
I would be much more comfortable bugging in especially because we have a new addition to our family and it's just so much easier to stay here in the comfort of our home with the little one. However, if the circumstances arise where we need to get out, I am prepared to do so. We both have been backcountry camping for years and have the gear if necessary to comfortably bug out. Now it's just a matter of preparing the little one for such an event. Anyone have links on good baby BOB ideas?
TreehuggerLoveEarth 1 month ago
You've got it "concert my efforts on my training" is the key. Good thought provoking video.
Thank you.
V5R7N 1 month ago
Probably would bug in, elder people in the family and the traffic here (without any problem) is already chaotic. An alternative to bug out car that I thought was really interesting is this one /watch?v=-7HwmpUgIMM&feature=fvst. Again, not good for elders but would overcome the problem of traffic and fuel.
2dividedby3equals666 1 month ago
Bugging out is evacuation. In some situations it's required so being prepared to leave quickly with as many prepped items as we can carry is important (with weight vs mobility considered). With that said... our homes are our safest places to hold-up at all other times. If someone has prepped a 2nd home as a safe 'bug-out' location... then they are also bugging-in technically albeit after a location switch.
So focusing on home security, opsec, etc should be a priority for everyone.
tinyhousefriend 1 month ago
I would bug in short term. 3-4 weeks but you would eventually need to leave your home to get the essentials for life. Ie. food, fuel, medicine ect. That's why knowing what plants, trees, animals, can do for you on all levels is a must. If we do get the grand daddy of solar flares, we will be knocked back to the stone age and forced to live like our founding fathers did.
wildwillysearchgod 1 month ago
@wildwillysearchgod If you wait 3-4 weeks before you try to bug out, won't the streets be full of mobs and starving people-zombies? Do you think we would have to make the decision in the first few days, before the unprepared people run out of mountain dew and hot pockets and start looting the streets?
PatriotGoUSA 1 month ago
Hey Brother..Its always better to bug in...until its not safe anymore.I am in The Bronx in NYC.
I expect when the SHTF..The Sheeple will all get on the road and traffic will be insane.I plan to lay low.I have enough Food and water to last me 6 months.I also have the other things necessary to protect those assets.I think it all depends on what the Situation is...But bugging in would always be better.Thanks for the topic.
timochio1953 1 month ago
i'm gonna have to bug in i have an elderly mother that couldn't walk a mile...
wanker2us 1 month ago
Wow, the responses to this video are better than I expected. You guys rock.
envirosponsible 1 month ago 5
@envirosponsible Having watched many of your past videos where you seemed to focus more on outdoor survival with all the knives, gear and goodies it's interesting to see you changing course somewhat. Here's what I attribute your new direction to: 1) aging, 2) heightened recognition of responsibility, and 3) depth of maturity.
I say these thing with the greatest respect for you and simply mean that as we move through life we change with our changing situations. We become wiser. :)
bee13zz 1 month ago
The more I practice my survival skills in the woods and test my gear and my skills in the feild, the more I release just how NOT READY I really am...
DaveSuperPowers 1 month ago
I agree. There's a lot people who have very unrealistic ideas of how things would go down in a emergency. I don't think it's just about skill level either, it's also a matter of location and population. If you live in Los Angeles, where are you going to bug out to? Especially when there's 10 million other people who are panicking and evacuating.
Jrsdrums 1 month ago
Have you ever read SHTFschool? Theguy has a prettygood story about being stuck in the middle of the Bosnian conflict and there not really being anywhere togo. I remember on MrLockandLoad's site had someone had posted agreat article about how when it comes togetting into a "SHTF" situation it'smore of agradual thing due to economics, and you just find yourself in a shit country with nowhere togo and you just have to make due with where you live and wish you had prepared, maybe one day make it out
DOSphantom 1 month ago
95% of the time you would always 'Bug In' ... Protection is the 1st priority of Survival ... You need to know your surrounding and have a roof over your heads ... If your like me I got too much gear to carry ... I got 5 in my family ... Old, young and inexperienced ... 'Bugging Out' should always be a last resort
JayGrylls 1 month ago
OH YEAH!!! If you were a lone wolf different story. We need to think first and foremost of Our Family, and more so the Weakest Link, so Bug In for as long as possible is a mandatory!!!
Bro it is my opinion but when an event happened in my area i was able to rely on my supplies instead of running out to the market. My Princesses never went without, and bro that is my best argument.
LMarshall32 1 month ago
I agree. Bugging in is the best idea in a lot of cases unless your home is comprised by riots, fire, evacuation, etc. In that case, unless you have friends or family to go to, or your ok with a FEMA type encampment... The skills to live in a bugout location would make a lot of sence to have...
df3photo 1 month ago
i would go out start hunting people down and stealing their stuff.the world will be for strong not the weak
mrnewman71 1 month ago
@mrnewman71 you would go hunt down people and steal their stuff? What about pulling together to try to survive. Don't be an ass hole or karma will get you in the end
kpftw16 1 month ago
@mrnewman71
That will work about as good then as it would do now. You'd be dead within a week, luckily.
myusernameisluc 1 month ago
@mrnewman71 And hopefully you would take a shotgun blast to the face pretty early :D
kpftw16 1 week ago
in case of EMP, I stay ready to bug out. I live in an apt building with 8 units. One idiot with a candle means I am bugging out whether I want to or not. I doubt if I would make it bugging out, but it may not be a choice.
darbone 1 month ago
I would like to bug in.. BUT, the thought of riots and stuff in town would not be a good thing for bugging in the house.. if they know your there, and they want what you have.. and you dont give it to them.. they could jsut burn your house down.. and you would just loose everything.
I like the safty of bugging out better... but the chances of having a better living situation would be bugging in.
I would choose bugging out with an RV.
arthurlafave 1 month ago
Bug in until you have to bug out situation dictates but I rather start off as comfortable as possible!
micktheprepper 1 month ago
WELL BUGGN IN just makes it easier for them to burn yr house down with you and yr family in it BUG OUT ... LIVE TO FIGHT ANOTHER DAY BY YOUR TERMS
VietNormbo 1 month ago
How dose a guy contact you to buy the wolverine???
newby1627 1 month ago
So... stash a shitload of stuff and hold down the fort?
bluewillgeckoFTW 1 month ago
Bug in for sure... as long and it was safe, good shelter and better to defend and easy to modify for your needs.. plus thats where all your supplies are. why leave them.. sure cant take them all with you.
Billthrasher 1 month ago