Ha...if anyone wants to see who has to resort to censorship "see all" the comments of these videos and see what gets censored so consistently. Hmmmm.....
I won't go quietly - english subtitles
HIV Positive
Nobel Prize Winner Challenges The Myths About Aids
HIV + AIDS = DEATH?
and House of Numbers of course and many others. It's pretty much a given that whatever the cultists accuse others of is just a "projection" of their own failings. They like to use sockpuppets for censorship purposes
@wazwolf Honey...slapping up random crap with "hiv" in the title does not meet your burden of proof.
THESE are the alleged "hiv" proteins....... p17/18, p24/25, p31/32, gp41, p53/55, gp120, and gp160 .....used in/for.......ALL.......the "hiv" antibody tests since the day Gallo got the patent
You need the peer reviewed scientific reference where Gallo actually found any such VMD in an aids patient in order to scientifically validate the tests that the ENTIRE theory revolves around.
@wazwolf Honey...WHY are you commenting on videos you never bothered to watch? The NIH paper is NOT a scientific paper and it is........ALL...........based on Gallo's antibody tests. Kary Mullis specifically mentions that "reference" in this video. Have you been reading the Ministry of Aidstruth?
@sweetclaire06 You cannot ever convince a zealot they are wrong. Their warped mind doesn't allow for any contradiction. It'll only censor out of fear. O'NeilExternal Web Site Policy et al. J Infect Dis 2000;182:1051; Aldrovandi et al. Nature 1993;363:732; Liska et al. AIDS Res Hum Retroviruses 1999;15:445; Locher et al. Arch Pathol Lab Med 1998;22:523; Hirsch et al. Virus Res 1994;32:183; Joag et al. J Virol 1996;70:3189)
@wazwolf What did I "censor"? Her comments are still up. It is stated VERY clearly that I block after 3 logical fallacies. Why should I be obligated to entertain cultists and their fallacious reasoning?
Also....honey...those references are ALL based on GALLOS antibody test. NOWHERE is a direct isolation of this alleged VMD made out of any aids patient. You are ASSUMING a reaction on Gallo's antibody test = a SPECIFIC infection
See link in description box........Why I Quit HIV by Rebecca V. Culshaw
" For anything other than HIV, the main reason they(antibody tests) are used in place of direct tests is because they are generally much easier and cheaper than direct testing.Most importantly, such antibody tests have been rigorously verified against the GOLD STANDARD of microbial isolation. This stands in vivid contrast to HIV, for which antibody tests are used because there exists NO test for the actual virus....
"...... It is worth noting at this point that viral load, like antibody tests, has never been verified against the GOLD STANDARD of HIV isolation. bDNA uses PCR as a gold standard, PCR uses antibody tests as a gold standard, and antibody tests use Each Other.......... NONE use HIV itself."
Abbott Park, Illinois (NYSE: ABT) — Every nine and a half minutes, someone in the United States is infected with HIV, and one out of every five of these individuals doesn't know it. To help stem the spread of this disease, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) today approved an innovative new diagnostic tool, which will allow patients to be diagnosed earlier than ever before.
@sweetclaire06 "Hiv"? You mean the cellular crap Gallo "discovered"? Or do you mean one of those NONspecific reactions on one of Gallo UNstandardized antibody tests?
These are your last logical fallacies btw...more appeals to fear and circular reasoning I'm replying to the comment that youtube auto-spammed but you more than used up your 3 logical fallacies. Lol...seriously? You actually posted a press release as "evidence"? Try reading the disclaimers instead you idiot.
Abbott's ARCHITECT HIV Ag/Ab Combo assay is the first test approved in the United States that can simultaneously detect both HIV antigen and antibodies. HIV antigen is a protein produced by the virus immediately after infection, whereas antibodies are developed days later as the body works to fight off the infection. Studies have demonstrated that Abbott's new test may detect HIV days earlier than antibody-only tests, which is important in controlling the spread of the virus.
@sweetclaire06 READ the disclaimer. The manufacturers do NOT claim that this test can make SPECIFIC diagnosis of anything on its own ......."A specimen with a final result of reactive should be investigated further with supplemental confirmatory HIV-SPECIFIC tests"............AND it was "validated" by comparing it to another antibody test NOT by comparing it to an actual "hiv"
That test wouldn't hold up in court either sunshine. It has the exact same problems as every other test on the market
Why do people resort to making ad hominem attacks? Because they CANT win an argument on the merits of their case. Frustrated and infuriated, the believers lash out at those who reveal that their Emperor is nude. AIDStruthers CANT cite a set of specific publications to prove that “HIV” tests detect active infection, and they CANT cite a set of specific publications to prove that “HIV” causes AIDS; so they try to “kill the messengers” who bring these facts to public attention.
"... it now appears more likely that they wanted to spare Aiken’s top HIV experts, hospitals and clinics the ordeal of being discredited in a trial that would result in a flurry of malpractice lawsuits by hundreds of Aiken’s other misdiagnosed HIV patients – including the man Brisbin sent to prison in 2009.
HIV-related malpractice lawsuits typically settle between $2.5 million and $20 million, per patient."
@sweetclaire06 Of course not. Even the "discoverer" never found any such thing in an aids patient. That is WHY the "hiv" antibody tests have no Gold Standard. Gallo had nothing to compare his tests to to validate them scientifically.
I'm not buying your disingenuousness btw....you know perfectly well what I think from what I've said to you on other videos.
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Your arrogance is matched only by your stupidity.The reason I didn't respond is you are denying something that is absolutely NOT in doubt.
That is that the HIV virus HAS been isolated, identified, taken apart, put back together, micrographed, cultured from patients blood, brain, and other organs, and has it's genome mapped thousands and thousands of times in labs all around the world every single day.
@sweetclaire06 And if you DO believe then you have some scientific evidence to scrape up.
Title Date and Journal. You already used up your allotted fallacies with your "proofs" by assertions and appeals to emotion and false authority but I'm curious to see what you'll come up with next :P
See link in description box......INTERVIEW RODNEY RICHARDS
Why the "HIV Tests" Can't Tell You Whether You Have HIV
"The main problem with so-called "HIV tests" is that people use them to diagnose HIV. In fact there is no test for HIV. It’s just an illusion...... early on when we were working in collaboration with Abbott Laboratories, it was clear that there was no Gold Standard for HIV: no direct isolation of the virus....."
".......The manufacturers clearly state that the products that they develop are NOT intended to be used for diagnosing HIV.....once again, there is no Gold Standard -- meaning a direct viral isolation -- to compare these tests to...."
to confirm see the test kit disclaimers
"At present (2011) there is no recognized standard for establishing the presence or absence of HIV-1 and HIV-2 antibody in human blood"
Why I Quit HIV by Rebecca V. Culshaw. The direct link's in the description box
"Antibody tests are fairly standard to test for certain microbes, but for anything other than HIV, the main reason they are used in place of direct tests (that is, actually looking for the bacteria or virus itself) is because they are generally much easier and cheaper than direct testing. Most importantly, such antibody tests have been rigorously verified against the GOLD STANDARD of microbial isolation..."
"This stands in vivid contrast to HIV, for which antibody tests are used because there exists NO test for the actual virus.....It is worth noting at this point that viral load, like antibody tests, has never been verified against the Gold Standard of HIV isolation. bDNA uses PCR as a gold standard, PCR uses antibody tests as a gold standard, and antibody tests use each other......... None use HIV itself."
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Lets assume HIV is real and the antibodies tests are accurate. Still, what I never understood is that why the presence of the antibodies always guarantees active infection. Don't antibodies mean protections? Why is it different for HIV? I remember watching a video where Gallo talked about this, but don't recall him explaining exactly why this is the case.
@Konlakey Yes. Antibodies conferring immunity is behind the principle of vaccination. Gallo's virus of mass destruction theory for immune suppression expects people to just throw out everything everyone has learned over the past several centuries re: biology and science.
Why do people resort to making ad hominem attacks? Because they CANT win an argument on the merits of their case. Frustrated and infuriated, the believers lash out at those who reveal that their Emperor is nude. AIDStruthers CANT cite a set of specific publications to prove that “HIV” tests detect active infection, and they CANT cite a set of specific publications to prove that “HIV” causes AIDS; so they try to “kill the messengers” who bring these facts to public attention.
@algerhistogram Sweetie...I don't know who that is..but if it's a personal attack instead of the Title Date and Journal of the peer reviewed scientific reference that will clear this whole mess up...then you can count that as your first logical fallacy. Two more and you have to go sit in the corner with L Ron and Co.
@algerhistogram It is stated VERY clearly in the video description box that I'm tired of virus of mass destruction cultists and that I block after 3 logical fallacies. If you want to use yours up trying to shoot messengers that's up to you. You've had four days to come up with some Scientific evidence for your beliefs but instead of doing that it's all ad hominem attack. Why is that?
“In fact there is no test for HIV. It’s just an illusion..early on when we were working in collaboration with Abbott Labs it was clear that there was NO GOLD STANDARD for HIV—no direct isolation of the virus. Nobody has ever demonstrated that HIV is present when any combination, or any one, of these tests comes up + None of these tests can be validated, ever. Period.Because we don’t have a way to isolate and culture HIV to prove its existence”
PCR disclaimer....AMPLICOR HIV-1 MONITOR Test, v1.5 is....NOT...intended to be used as a screening test for blood or blood products for the presence of HIV-1 or as a diagnostic test to confirm the pres....
Here you go. Multiple references proving AIDS fulfil Koch's postulates. Google Koch's Postulates Fulfilled: The Relationship Between the Human Immunodeficiency Virus and the Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome
@ptolomey12 You copy pasted your "evidence" from another video so it got marked automatically as spam by youtube
Also.....DUH!! That's not a scientific reference. You need the peer reviewed scientific reference where GALLO actually isolated any such thing out of an aids patient and linked it to immune problems
Title Date and Journal. It's isn't up to skeptics to go find your evidence for you.
@mykoolaidtastesfunny I wasn't asking you to comment on the article but the references there in. I read your rebuttal paper there is no science in it.
You are not a virologist stop going on about Koch's postulates. You talk of this gold standard of isolation, with comparison to whats. HIV has been proven to exist with the same techniques shown to illustrate the flu, or ebola, or herpes etc etc. Read the referenced papers, tell me how they are flawed scientifically
@ptolomey12 No...O "Forgetful" One...even the "discoverers" never found any such thing in any aids patient ever. That is a big FAIL for Koch's Postulates. "Proof" by assertion is a logical fallacy NOT a peer reviewed scientific reference.
@mykoolaidtastesfunny I hasten to add. You still have not explained how you can PCR a blood sample amplify HIV genes which encode for functional proteins which can then be studied and shown to infect T cells and perform a whole load of complex interactions with cells and themselves
You also fail to answer if HIV doesn't exist what is the cause of AIDS
@ptolomey12 PCR does NOT do that. "Proof" by assertion is not scientific evidence. It's the same problem as with Gallo's crap antibody tests....without a Direct Isolation they have no idea what they're even supposed to be looking for. Duh!
It is NOT up to skeptics to prove or disprove your VMD cult for you. YOU have the burden of proof. Trying to shift the burden of proof is yet another of your logical fallacies.
@ptolomey12 Idiot....that's the Surveillance Report that Kary Mullis makes fun of specifically in THIS video as not being a scientific reference. Did you "forget"?
@ColonPal Lol...did you "forget" AGAIN? The burden of proof is on believers NOT skeptics. If YOU have the scientific reference the dissident scientists have been asking for NAME it. Or....admit you get "your" ideas from internet marketers with ZERO relevant credentials
google......THE GUINEA PIG KIDS THE BBC AND THE AIDSTRUTH MAFIA
@ColonPal Do your homework, not easy but better than the "bullshit" that is mainstream propaganda -- HIV does not cause AIDS. Medication is the cause of the AIDS deaths from the 80s and 90s. "This whole thing is a big sham." Stop the testing, stop the murder.
all the people dying in africa is a myth and all the statistics are hoaxed and exaggerated?? this immuno compromised condition is just imagined? it's still hard to grasp that foolery of this magnitude can be pulled off.
@jobz199 What do you mean? We are STILL at war over WMDs. There have been NO increases in death rates or decreases in population in any country anwhere in the world. Africa's population has DOUBLED in the past 20 years. All they've done is re-market the diseases of poverty and malnutrition as "Omfg...AIDS!"
There is no VMD. You don't need a VMD to explain why broke *** people get sick and die. Google.....Flying Toilet...if you don't believe me.
@mykoolaidtastesfunny true. poverty is a terrible disease and kills millions of people. i guess i just have to continue studying and educate myself.. they said they're teaching us evidence based medicine. how the hell do you distinguish legitimate science from hulabalu these days? HIV is part of medical text books! hard to question things taught to you everyday and things you read from textbooks written by experts. by the time i finish med school i hope this issue is resolved.
@mykoolaidtastesfunny -- You're an idiot! The planet's population has been increasing exponentially for the past couple hundred years, but the death rate has soared even higher. HIV has ravaged Africa and during the epidemic killed millions all over the world. With medical breakthroughs, HIV is no longer a death sentence in today's society thanks to the miracles of modern medicine and can be managed in the same way that some forms of cancer and hepatitis are treated.
@ColonPal "but the death rate has soared even higher. HIV has ravaged Africa and during the epidemic killed millions all over the world. With medical breakthroughs, HIV is no longer a death sentence in today's society thanks to the miracles of modern medicine and can be managed in the same way that some forms of cancer and hepatitis are treated."
Amen to that. I can't believe this is still even being debated.
@sweetclaire06 Not it hasn't you idiot. Check the census reports. Africa's population has DOUBLED from 400 million to 800 million in the past 20 years.
It is stated very clearly in the video description box that I block after 3 logical fallacies so you better get your act together.
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Hey...I'm African, three years ago, my uncle died of aids, a year later another one died of the same disease. I have a friend from another part of Africa (we met here in the US), both her parents died of AIDS. We watched them die and observed the symptoms. While most people think all Africans suffer from malnutrition, my family doesn't and neither did my friend's. You can seat here and believe what you like, we on the ground know what's happening.
@Visionwriter1 I grew up with thisvirus of mass destruction bullshit in the family. I changed countries over this bullshit. I was also fully indoctrinated at one point. What I found when I started asking questions though is that knowing someone who is sick does NOT make you an expert in medicine. Knowing someone with cancer does not make you an oncologist.
I have a LACK of belief. I do NOT believe in something even the "discoverers" never found in an aids patient.
@Visionwriter1 In 27 years the ONLY people I know who got sick or died after getting a reaction on one of L Ron Gallo's bullshit "hiv" tests were the ones taking the "lifesaving" meds. The UNmedicated junkies are just fine relative to other junkies.
The FACT is that there have been NO increases in death rates in ANY country anywhere in the world. There is nothing "new" going on. I'd be interested to hear what those peoples' autopsies listed as COD since "aids" is not a specific cause of death.
@Visionwriter1"You can seat here and believe what you like, we on the ground know what's happening."
I'm sitting here in the US in a gay community.And I know of what you speak.These denialists/dissidents what ever you want to call them like Mullis et.al. have never taken care of an AIDS patient. I've witnessed the survival rates soar with HARRT. Does it cure AIDS? No.Are there sometimes severe side effects?Yes! Is it the best thing we have so far for extending life? YES!
@sweetclaire06 Stop lying. There is ZERO scientific evidence that taking ANY of those drugs improves clinical health or mortality.
Lancet. 2006 Aug 5;368(9534):451-8.
HIV treatment response and prognosis in Europe and North America in the first decade of highly active antiretroviral therapy: a collaborative analysis.
INTERPRETATION:
Virological response after starting HAART improved over calendar years, but such improvement has.........NOT....... translated into a decrease in mortality.
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I mean that in a serious way. You quoted, "Virological response after starting HAART improved over calendar years, but such improvement has...NOT.. translated into a decrease in mortality." Then you seemed to think this proved drugs are not improving health. That very statement said they do, and obviously mortality is unchanged due to death years later.
@sweetclaire06 You need the peer reviewed scientific reference where Gallo actually made a direct isolation of this alleged virus of mass destruction out of an actual aids patient in order to scientifically validate the so-called "hiv" tests and then demonstrated that it was in fact the causal micro-organism
Title Date and Journal. You've already used up your logical fallacies but I'll give you one more chance to come up with something logical to support your beliefs.
still cant make a stand on this issue. cant find enough readings to make a decision haha. if this was indeed all a conspiracy, wouldn't neutral parties (other governments not involved in the business and politics of HIV) be able to easily verify by now the validity of HIV science? just wondering.
@kaldemvor HIV does not exist, it is misinformation that kills, it kills are antiretrovirals, Roberto Gallo is fake along with Margaret Heckler, Hence ran the world a myth called HIV, AIDS, HIV does not exist there. and this is very easy and inexpensive cure
I'm highly skeptical of the official story of the origin of AIDS, but the experts in this video fail to answer a big question: If HIV doesn't cause AIDS, what does?
@kaldemvor check out what Celia Farber, Peter Duesberg, and others say about this ... at first it was toxic, intravenous drugs in the early 80s, and then AZT in the mid 80s, and AZT continues to be in some of the newer drugs but with less potency and mixed with other drugs ... over time, after taking these "cocktail" drugs for years, the toxicity of them will/would kill anyone ... this is why people who are taking these meds are dying now from heart attacks, liver failure, cancer, etc.
@ladprao130 That makes sense. AZT is approved by the FDA. That alone should raise a huge red flag. Most of the time drugs cause more problems than anything else. Thanks for the info; I'll be checking it out.
@kaldemvor AZT was initially a failed 60s treatment for cancer ... but brought it back and gave it intravenously in the early 80s .. and then later in the mid 80s, AZT became the drug of choice to treat people who apparently tested positive for the so-called HIV antibody test ... what's even more crazy is that AZT is on California's deadly chemical list for environmental hazards!
@ladprao130 excuse my bad English (I'm Italian, French and Spanish, but I know very little English) but I follow the story of AIDS from the beginning and I think many doctors know much more (I agree with K. Mullis them defined or CRIMINALS .. IDIOTS or 'tertium non datur', said the Latin) a lie repeated 7 times becomes a truth, Goebbels, who was an expert said hello
@WillBattleyou Um...DUH! But Kary Mullis actually DID something for his Nobel Prize...he invented the PCR the basis of the "hiv" viral load tests. Honey....do you not know how to post a scientific reference? It is stated very clearly in the video description box that I block after 3 logical fallacies.
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Kary Mullis has clearly stated that "his" PCR test should not be used to test for viral load ... please check Mullis' work/writings to learn more about this.
PCR disclaimer....The ... AMPLICOR HIV-1 MONITOR Test, v1.5 is.......NOT......... intended to be used as a screening test for blood or blood products for the presence of HIV-1 or as a diagnostic test to confirm the presence of HIV-1 infection.
how similar to global warming - these scumbags are "modeling" disease - completely theoretically in the lab, and extrapolate it to make theoretical, out of the thin air predictions . I'm watching these people (Gallo, Montagnier and others) for a few weeks now and they lie/hide information. You can quite easily pick it up from their body language - looking for help up and down, rubbing the nose, shaky voice. All symptoms of very nervous person who hides something.
@mikenotnumber1 Exactly. People act is if governments and corporations lying to make money is news. And yeh....I passed up a lot of sex too over this bullshit >:(
Im a med student up 2 in the morning studying for a virology exam suddenly i come across this video. what to do???? haha. now i cant sleep and i need to find answers. where do i find the most credible peer reviewed journals about this shit? how do i evaluate the validity of scientific journals on AIDS?
@jobz199 You need the papers where it was shown that an actual infectious virus particle was isolated out of an actual ads patient so you could examine it and know what the proteins and nucleic acids are. Then you need to prove that it is a causal micro-organism. Title Date and Journal.
That's about it really but the dissident scientists have been asking for a very long time so far to no avail.
@mykoolaidtastesfunny i thought that the genome of the virus is well studied? i thought they have identified the genes that code for the envelope proteins, the viral enzymes and the core structural proteins? everything is so coonfusing now. haha
@jobz199 The only appropriate gold standard for antibody tests like the Elisa or WB is an actual microbe to compare them against. How else can you know what you're supposed to be looking for? So.....where's the gold standard for the antibody tests?
Why do people think what they're looking at is an "hiv" genome? They never find the same thing twice. The only connection to all those other "hiv's" is a reaction on Gallo's antibody tests. EVerything revolves around those antibody tests.
@mykoolaidtastesfunny so in essence you believe that the etiology of this immuno deficient disease is still unknown??? are you denying the existence of the virus or merely denying HIV as the causative agent of AIDS?
@jobz199 Nobody disputes the existence of immune problems. What's in dispute is the cause. Gallo was found guilty of fraud by the US Gov for the exact same papers everyone has been wetting their pants over for 27 years. He never actually found any such virus in any aids patient ever. He just falsified his data, stole a sample that didn't even come from anyone with aids, announced a VMD at a press conference before his papers were even published and patented a test.
To see Gallo's fantabulous "proof" google....A Selection of HIV Documents Evidence of Fraud? Unearthed by US Governmental Investigations into the scientific work of Dr. Robert Gallo
Make nore of the NIH's letter to Gallo....What VMD? All you have is crap here
Then scroll down to see what Gallo scribbled out...."Despite intensive research efforts the causative agent of aids has NOT been identified"
@mykoolaidtastesfunny so you accept that HIV exists but it isnt the causative agent of AIDS? am i correct? how come after finding mr Gallo guilty the government didnt take any measures to educate the public? wouldn't the WHO be aware and be responsible enough to intervene? This type of conspiracy are the kind you only see in comic books.
@jobz199 No it doesn't exist. The only evidence you have for it are antibody tests that Gallo holds the patent on
Why don't governments admit they screwed up and terrorized the whole planet for no reason? Well...why do you think they don't want to do that? The citizens are going to demand a head to march around the town square probably more than 1 head. Now picture the lawsuits for 5 minutes...wrongful death malpractice profiteering genocide etc
@jobz199 Plus this is the guy who signs the checks for the NIH. He decides who does and does not get funding and he generously awarded Himself somewhere in the region of 100 MILLION dollars just for him to fight the dread VMD.
google.....TONY FAUCI'S BANKROLL
People in power making millions/Billions of dollars from lying to people is unfortunately not something you only see in comic books ....cough cough...IRAQ...cough......
@jobz199 hmmm - there is no argument in what you say. The existance of HIV doesn't mean more than... existence of HIV. HIV existed for decades before was "discovered" (it was known before as a virus of a different group (don't remember which one now) and was "changed" to the lentivirus classification, therefore it was made to appear as something new. Another nonsense. As per WHO - there is an istitution with it's boards, funds, political influences etc, so you have your comic book right here
@JJTechnologies It doesn't exist at all. The only evidence for its existence are GALLOS antibody tests. When they run Mullis's test they never even find the same thing twice. It's ALL a scam right from the beginning.
@mykoolaidtastesfunny so it's even worse. Practically everything they've thought me a a child/adult is a lie. Don't really know what to do with these people - they should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity
@mykoolaidtastesfunny there is something very scary in this situation. It's actually quite easy to find out for yourself what is what, educate yourself to the point where it's all quite clear. I believed in the "official version" for nearly whole my life and it all crashed instantenously when someone challenged me to produce the proof. I went literally everywhere and coulding find it. So I ARRIVED at my opinion. But what they do is actually killing sick people in Africa and it has to stop
@JJTechnologies I grew up with it in the family. I used to have to get up at night to change sheets because she was "seroconverting". I was fully indoctrinated at one point in a way they never got me with religion. It's marketed as "science" so....you assume it's actually followed scientific principles.
Unfortunately....No. It was announced at a frkkin PRESS CONFERENCE before any papers had even been published. Of course the media ate it up. They looove blood sex and death. It sells papers.
If we won't find the way to get it to the media the mass killing will continue. I really, really believed that the pictures of these poor, completely destroyed wrecks of the people they were showing in spots about AIDS are cuased by HIV, now I know it's antiretroviral medicine killing them in thousands. It's in the name of the economic gain. Even Montagnier admitted it (the fact is that he's contradicting himself a lot) but it went unnoticed. It's sould destroying
@JJTechnologies Ha yeh....Montagnier has been trying to back out of this mess for decades. He got sucked into when Gallo stole from. I can't tell if he's thinking discretion is the better part of valor or if he's just spineless and weak. The only thing he's been consistent in is inconsistency.
@jobz199 well, there are two camps on this issue ... one camp says that it has never been isolated so therefore there is not data to show that it does actually exist ... the second camp (Peter Duesberg) says that it does exist but that it is a "passenger" retrovirus, which means that it is basically harmless.
@jobz199 These are the alleged "hiv" proteins used in/for All the antibody tests since the day Gallo got the patent back in the 80s.... p17/18, p24/25, p31/32, gp41, p53/55, gp120, and gp160
How did he come up with them with nothing to observe or examine? A lucky guess? How does "hiv" both mutate so quickly that nobody ever finds the same thing twice AND remain exactly the same at the same time? For 27 years?
It IS a complicated topic but the more you look at it the more it all falls apart
@jobz199 You should be careful too if you're going into medicine. The test kit manufacturers make no claim that their products can make a specific diagnosis or what predictive value their products have. The drug manufacturers also make no claim that people who get a reaction on Gallo's antibody test will live longer healthier lives if they buy their products than if they don't.
They cover their asses with the disclaimers. It's the Dr's and clinics who can be sued for claiming otherwise.
Respond to this video... politics and business have corrupted the medical sciences so terribly that it has become very hard to distinguish genuine evidence based science from PR crap. how do you choose what to swallow and what to spit out?
Thank god for Dr. Christian Fiala for making this painfully difficult subject matter to be understood for the lay viewer! I thought the journalist would be able to do it for me but I was relatively lost during his presentation as well.
@ellisonwrigh60srage There's an extended interview with Dr Fiala on youtube....Dr. Christian Fiala's Extended House of Numbers Interview
along with most of the others in this video. Neville Hodgkinson's article in the video description box is worth a read even if you didn't find his interview clip very helpful.
@ellisonwrigh60srage I've heard of Nancy Turner Banks but I can't think from where right now. As for Boyd Graves....there's a radio debate he took part in with David Crowe where he hung up and ran away. That's the only time I ever heard Graves speak for himself and I wasn't wildly impressed There's a direct link to it in the video description box of the "My Hiv Soap Box" video
The Great AIDS debate audio interview Crowe vs. Graves:
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Yeah I came across that and thought it was strange because I've seen a town hall meeting with him and an appearance on the old Armstrong Williams show; and he did a great representing himself. At any rate, thanks again.
For anyone who came to this video via a lnk from sofiarunes "free speech advocate". She blocked me from her channel after I asked her about any pssible financial conflicts of interests she may have re: Gallo's virus as the cause of aids.
She then moved the goal posts by NOT presenting the papers asked for and did NOT post her "evidence" to this video as agreed. She then declared herself victorious. This is typical behavior for cultists
AIDS Seen From a Different Angle, NYT. 9/4/09 "Couched as a “personal journey” through the history of H.I.V. and AIDS, “House of Numbers” is actually a weaselly support pamphlet for AIDS denialists..."
@jffryfnt Lol...talk about an appeal to false authority
Are you fukkin serious? Go ask the NYT for the Title Date and Journal for the peer reviewed scientific reference the dissident scientists have been asking to see.
Everyone, yes you must cave in to the poster's point of view otherwise you will be blocked and she will then never again have to deal with your challenges to her pet hypothesis which has been infinitely disproved over and over again. At least a skeptic demands evidence, blinded dogma is anything but. Ugh, as if it wasn't more obvious than the theory of gravity, then Sir Isaac Newton would really be fucked! :)
@jffryfnt No. You must remain logical. If YOU have the reference the dissident scientists have been looking for feel free to Name it....Title Date and Journal
Three logical fallacies and you're out. If someone is incapable of logical debate they're a waste of time and can go sit in the corner with L Ron.
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Well, it couldn't possibly be a logical fallacy to ask of you to do a journal search in PubMed with the search term, 'HIV', now would it? Or would it be a logical fallacy of me to ask of you that statistical significance is enough to render the null hypothesis incorrect? That of which your entire position is based?
@jffryfnt Actually yes it is. The burden of proof is on those who make a claim not on those who dispute it. Look it up if you don't believe me. If YOU believe in God or body thetans or Gallo's virus then it is YOU who needs to cough up evidence and it needs to be in the form of peer reviewed scientific papers not a frikkin NYT movie review.
Title Date and Journal. That's all the that's relevant and all you need to come up with
@mykoolaidtastesfunny You are such a delusional hypocrite, seriously. You demand logical argumentation at your own convenience yet at the same time are the worst at presenting any semblance of a logical case. First of all, appeal to ignorance. How dare you prance around as you do ignoring the mountains of evidence found in the scientific literature while at the same time act like you are 'in the know' about HIV/AIDS, at the same time your only sources are quotes and documentaries?
@jffryfnt Sigh....ad hominem attack AND "Proof " by assertion.
No scientific reference? No Title Date and Journal? No. Of course not. You virus of mass destruction cultists have ZERO scientific evidence to support your faith. You used up your three logical fallacies. You Gallo cultists sure are a waste of time.
@jffryfnt Duh! YOU are the one who needs to make a logical case. The burden of proof is on those who make a claim NOT on those who dispute it. Did you "forget" AGAIN!?!?!?
You virus of mass destruction cultists sure are "forgetful". You JUST tried that in your last comment and YOU are the one who can only come up with NYT film reviews to make your case.
@MrMegatruth Honey...an appeal to fear is not the Title Date and Journal of the primary peer reviewed scientific reference. You sound like a Creationist threatening me with hell fire.
Gallo never actually found any such virus in any aids patient ever. Imaginary things CANT hurt you you superstitious idiot.
@MrMegatruth Also...the Ministry of Aidstruth is just some infomercial marketing site with Zero scientists on the board. You might want to rethink using their "arguments" in a debate. "Dr" Jeanne is a lawyer whose PhD is in marketing and Professor Nick is a professor of economics not science.
You CANT inject yourself with something even the "discoverer" never actually found. I can't inject myself with demons or body thetans either.
@MrMegatruth Sigh...again.....trying to appeal to emotion is NOT the Title Date and Journal of a peer reviewed scientific reference. "Infected" according to what? Gallo's fantabulous "hiv" tests. Duh...that's the problem. You have ZERO evidence that those tests detect a Specific viral infection. Gallo had NOTHING to observe or examine so he had NOTHING to compare his tests to to validate them scientifically.
@MrMegatruth Also...The largest and longest study of hetero transmission even done in N Amer found ZERO transmission even after 10 years worth of barebacking so.....your appeal to fear isn't even very scary.
Did you read the video description box? I'm sick of you virus of mass destruction cultists and I block after 3 logical fallacies.
@MrMegatruth Simple little retort for a simple fucking mind. Mother fucker go read some real literature and prove koolaid wrong IF koolaid is wrong. You can walk into many different Universities and get research papers printed out. Sit there and use your brain, or keep acting like a dumb rotten little cunt.
@MedicsWorld He used up his logical fallacies and was blocked. It's not about him proving me wrong. The burden of proof is on believers not skeptics. If someone believes in God or demons or unicorns or Gallo's virus of mass destruction then it is they are the ones who have something to prove. None of the people who beleeeve in Gallo's virus can ever come up with anything convincing though. It's always just one fallacy after another.
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Yeah Koch's postulate is how you pretty much guarentee that the microbe is causing the illness. Am I correct in my understanding that they still haven't even isolated the so called AIDS virus?
@MrMegatruth "so let's take 1000 hiv infected blood bags and inject 1000 AIDS denialist that would be a good start, and give reasonable proof for HIV causing AIDS" So a man who questions whether HIV causes AIDS is an AIDS “denialist“(I doubt that‘s a word)? Okay there Batman. You keep fighting crime and shooting meth, leave the real science and medicine to those of us who AREN'T living in a comic book fairy tale stoned out of their mind on who knows what kind of crack. ;)
@MrMegatruth Megatruth posted on my wall, figure all put it here and respond to it in context: "it is still a very effective argument, think about it, if they really believe the bullshit they are spreading, go get a bag full of infected blood and inject themselves with it. if they live, which they probably won't they will have changed the world. grow up YOU little cunt"
@MrMegatruth Ummmm grabbing AIDS blood and injecting yourself with it then dying is not how you prove that HIV causes AIDS. Thats how you prove that AIDS blood can kill people, there ain't nothing bloody specific about it. lol. With that logic, you could inject blood filled with anthrax but say you're trying to prove tuberculosis and when you get sick you say tuberculosis is the cause. Let alone severe reaction to someone elses blood.You freakin ding bat.
@MrMegatruth Once again, NO! This is not how you prove HIV causes AIDS. This is how you prove that said blood package contains SOMETHING that causes AIDS. You can say you think HIV is doing it, but without being able to culture the organism specifically, cause the illness in even a fraction of subjects injected and then extract it from the patient and prove the organism is the same one that you put in it is not absolute scientific method. Which means it's no where near certainty.
@MedicsWorld He can't answer you. He used up his logical fallacies and was blocked. I'm tired of Gallo cultists constantly recycling the same fallacies so now I limit everyone to three. After that they have to go sit in the corner with L Ron & co.
The scientific community considers the evidence that HIV causes AIDS to be conclusive and rejects AIDS-denialist claims as pseudoscience based on conspiracy theories, faulty reasoning, cherry picking, and misrepresentation of mainly outdated scientific data. With the rejection of these arguments by the scientific community, AIDS-denialist material is now spread mainly through the Internet. i.e mykoolaidtastesfunny
@foxlake02 "proof" by assertion "proof" by consensus strawmen and flat out lies are NOT the Title Date and Journal of a scientific reference odinata's sockpuppet. You used up your logical fallacies in one go copy pasting from the Ministry of Aidstruth.
Google....The Guinea Pig Kids The BBC & The AIDSTruth Mafia
"who is this self appointed bunch at AIDS Truth?
A dozen people who include a graduate student ( Witwer), a professor of economics (Nicoli Nattrass), several “HIV/AIDS activists” with no technical credentials (Martin Delaney, Geffen,Gonsalves, Jefferys), and a PhD in a non-scientific discipline (Jeanne Bergman) Yet these people say Mullis and Duesberg aren’t qualified to talk about HIV/AIDS because they’ve never done research on it!"
@foxlake02 Incorrect, the current scientific community admits HIV/AIDS as far as it pertains to heterosexuals is dead. They realise there is nothing but a disproven model for the mode of action of HIV infecting the Thelper cells. 2 nobel Laureates claim HIV is cleared by a healthy immune system . The Perth group alone has 100s of PHD scientists that agree there is no connection between AIDS and HIV. It is the ridiculous HIV causes AIDS theory that is outdated .
@MrMegatruth : "blood transfusions happen EVERYDAY without problems, dingbat. just make sure they have the same blood type. i thought that went without saying, but you seem a little slow" How am I supposed to know where your education is at? In one area you're smart and in another you're a bleeding moron? This leads to confusing grounds in which I no longer know who I'm dealing with. Thus I have to lay down all the facts incase the totality of your insanity is at par with absolute stupidity.
Type in "howHIVCausesAIDS" into google, follow the link for "niaid" and then "The Evidence That HIV Causes AIDS"
A collection of studies showing the link between HIV and AIDS.
Ironic how PCR is vital technique in showing that almost all AIDS suffers have HIV genes present.
It is a shame that someone like Kary Mullis who is credited for something as important PCR can turn to ideas like AIDS denialism, climate change denial and a very disturbingly belief in astrology
@TubeTest42 It isn't up to me to go find your evidence for you. Do you seriously think Kary Mullis just doesn't under stand how to look up scientific papers? Do you think he just hasn't heard of wiki?
Also.... Even people who never get a reaction on Gallo's crap antibody test can have high "hiv" viral loads. They never even find the same thing twice and PCR is not intended to diagnose or confirm diagnosis of "hiv" infection. Go read the disclaimer. It's under my profile pic
@mykoolaidtastesfunny I would doubt Mullis's his ability to examine scientific evidence based upon other pseudo-scientific beliefs he allegedly holds.
But I recognise that it has nothing to do with if he's right on this occasion.
There is a clear correlation between concentration of HIV RNA concentration and progression to aids. (Mellors et al. Ann Intern Med 1997;126:946) Form the website I mentioned earlier. If there is a rebuttal to this that makes sense I would very much like to hear it.
Honey....guilt by association is an logical fallacy. You need the PRIMARY peer reviewed reference. Gallo announced the virus of mass destruction and got the patent for the "hiv" antibody tests back in the 80's. Your reference is about 15 years too late to be the primary reference and it uses Gallo's antibody tests as the foundation of the "evidence". Using Gallo's antibody test to prove Gallo's virus is like using an e-meter to prove body thetans. It's circular reasoning.
@TubeTest42 That reference doesn't prove Gallo's virus exists and kills people...it ASSUMES it does. Also correlation doesn't prove causation and there is no correlation btw "viral load" and CD4 counts anyway.
Rodríguez B et al., 2006. “Predictive Value of Plasma HIV RNA Level on Rate of CD4 T-Cell Decline in Untreated HIV Infection”, JAMA.2006; 296: 1498-1506
Rodríguez et al give a coefficient of determination (R^2) of just 4% between “viral load” and model-estimated CD4 cell loss rate
Ha...if anyone wants to see who has to resort to censorship "see all" the comments of these videos and see what gets censored so consistently. Hmmmm.....
I won't go quietly - english subtitles
HIV Positive
Nobel Prize Winner Challenges The Myths About Aids
HIV + AIDS = DEATH?
and House of Numbers of course and many others. It's pretty much a given that whatever the cultists accuse others of is just a "projection" of their own failings. They like to use sockpuppets for censorship purposes
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 day ago
CDC. MMWR 1981;30:250; CDC. MMWR 1981;30:305; Jaffe et al. Ann Intern Med 1985;103:210; U.S. Census Bureau; UNAIDS
wazwolf 2 days ago
@wazwolf Honey...slapping up random crap with "hiv" in the title does not meet your burden of proof.
THESE are the alleged "hiv" proteins....... p17/18, p24/25, p31/32, gp41, p53/55, gp120, and gp160 .....used in/for.......ALL.......the "hiv" antibody tests since the day Gallo got the patent
You need the peer reviewed scientific reference where Gallo actually found any such VMD in an aids patient in order to scientifically validate the tests that the ENTIRE theory revolves around.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 days ago
@wazwolf Honey...WHY are you commenting on videos you never bothered to watch? The NIH paper is NOT a scientific paper and it is........ALL...........based on Gallo's antibody tests. Kary Mullis specifically mentions that "reference" in this video. Have you been reading the Ministry of Aidstruth?
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 days ago
@sweetclaire06 You cannot ever convince a zealot they are wrong. Their warped mind doesn't allow for any contradiction. It'll only censor out of fear. O'NeilExternal Web Site Policy et al. J Infect Dis 2000;182:1051; Aldrovandi et al. Nature 1993;363:732; Liska et al. AIDS Res Hum Retroviruses 1999;15:445; Locher et al. Arch Pathol Lab Med 1998;22:523; Hirsch et al. Virus Res 1994;32:183; Joag et al. J Virol 1996;70:3189)
wazwolf 2 days ago
@wazwolf What did I "censor"? Her comments are still up. It is stated VERY clearly that I block after 3 logical fallacies. Why should I be obligated to entertain cultists and their fallacious reasoning?
Also....honey...those references are ALL based on GALLOS antibody test. NOWHERE is a direct isolation of this alleged VMD made out of any aids patient. You are ASSUMING a reaction on Gallo's antibody test = a SPECIFIC infection
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 days ago
See link in description box........Why I Quit HIV by Rebecca V. Culshaw
" For anything other than HIV, the main reason they(antibody tests) are used in place of direct tests is because they are generally much easier and cheaper than direct testing.Most importantly, such antibody tests have been rigorously verified against the GOLD STANDARD of microbial isolation. This stands in vivid contrast to HIV, for which antibody tests are used because there exists NO test for the actual virus....
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 week ago
"...... It is worth noting at this point that viral load, like antibody tests, has never been verified against the GOLD STANDARD of HIV isolation. bDNA uses PCR as a gold standard, PCR uses antibody tests as a gold standard, and antibody tests use Each Other.......... NONE use HIV itself."
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 week ago
Abbott Park, Illinois (NYSE: ABT) — Every nine and a half minutes, someone in the United States is infected with HIV, and one out of every five of these individuals doesn't know it. To help stem the spread of this disease, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) today approved an innovative new diagnostic tool, which will allow patients to be diagnosed earlier than ever before.
sweetclaire06 1 week ago
@sweetclaire06 "Hiv"? You mean the cellular crap Gallo "discovered"? Or do you mean one of those NONspecific reactions on one of Gallo UNstandardized antibody tests?
These are your last logical fallacies btw...more appeals to fear and circular reasoning I'm replying to the comment that youtube auto-spammed but you more than used up your 3 logical fallacies. Lol...seriously? You actually posted a press release as "evidence"? Try reading the disclaimers instead you idiot.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 week ago
Abbott's ARCHITECT HIV Ag/Ab Combo assay is the first test approved in the United States that can simultaneously detect both HIV antigen and antibodies. HIV antigen is a protein produced by the virus immediately after infection, whereas antibodies are developed days later as the body works to fight off the infection. Studies have demonstrated that Abbott's new test may detect HIV days earlier than antibody-only tests, which is important in controlling the spread of the virus.
sweetclaire06 1 week ago
@sweetclaire06 READ the disclaimer. The manufacturers do NOT claim that this test can make SPECIFIC diagnosis of anything on its own ......."A specimen with a final result of reactive should be investigated further with supplemental confirmatory HIV-SPECIFIC tests"............AND it was "validated" by comparing it to another antibody test NOT by comparing it to an actual "hiv"
That test wouldn't hold up in court either sunshine. It has the exact same problems as every other test on the market
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 week ago
Why do people resort to making ad hominem attacks? Because they CANT win an argument on the merits of their case. Frustrated and infuriated, the believers lash out at those who reveal that their Emperor is nude. AIDStruthers CANT cite a set of specific publications to prove that “HIV” tests detect active infection, and they CANT cite a set of specific publications to prove that “HIV” causes AIDS; so they try to “kill the messengers” who bring these facts to public attention.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 week ago
Google...OMSJ Prevails in Another HIV Case
"... it now appears more likely that they wanted to spare Aiken’s top HIV experts, hospitals and clinics the ordeal of being discredited in a trial that would result in a flurry of malpractice lawsuits by hundreds of Aiken’s other misdiagnosed HIV patients – including the man Brisbin sent to prison in 2009.
HIV-related malpractice lawsuits typically settle between $2.5 million and $20 million, per patient."
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 week ago
It's a simple question. Do you believe that that HIV has been isolated? I'm just trying to understand what you believe to be fact or fallacy.
sweetclaire06 2 weeks ago
@sweetclaire06 Of course not. Even the "discoverer" never found any such thing in an aids patient. That is WHY the "hiv" antibody tests have no Gold Standard. Gallo had nothing to compare his tests to to validate them scientifically.
I'm not buying your disingenuousness btw....you know perfectly well what I think from what I've said to you on other videos.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 weeks ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Your arrogance is matched only by your stupidity.The reason I didn't respond is you are denying something that is absolutely NOT in doubt.
That is that the HIV virus HAS been isolated, identified, taken apart, put back together, micrographed, cultured from patients blood, brain, and other organs, and has it's genome mapped thousands and thousands of times in labs all around the world every single day.
sweetclaire06 1 week ago
@sweetclaire06 Lmao....WOW
Ad hominem attack and yet more "proof" by assertion. No Scientific reference to support your beliefs though. of course not. You don't have any :P
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 week ago
@sweetclaire06 Ha....and if you'll be "ignoring" me from now on as stated in the comments of this....Hiv tests are the Biggest Scam
Then why are still fouling up this video with your logical fallacies?
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 week ago
@sweetclaire06 And if you DO believe then you have some scientific evidence to scrape up.
Title Date and Journal. You already used up your allotted fallacies with your "proofs" by assertions and appeals to emotion and false authority but I'm curious to see what you'll come up with next :P
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 weeks ago
See link in description box......INTERVIEW RODNEY RICHARDS
Why the "HIV Tests" Can't Tell You Whether You Have HIV
"The main problem with so-called "HIV tests" is that people use them to diagnose HIV. In fact there is no test for HIV. It’s just an illusion...... early on when we were working in collaboration with Abbott Laboratories, it was clear that there was no Gold Standard for HIV: no direct isolation of the virus....."
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 weeks ago
".......The manufacturers clearly state that the products that they develop are NOT intended to be used for diagnosing HIV.....once again, there is no Gold Standard -- meaning a direct viral isolation -- to compare these tests to...."
to confirm see the test kit disclaimers
"At present (2011) there is no recognized standard for establishing the presence or absence of HIV-1 and HIV-2 antibody in human blood"
HUMAN IMMUNODEFICIENCY VIRUS TYPES 1 AND 2....
HIVABTM HIV-1/HIV-2 (rDNA) EIA
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 weeks ago
Are you saying HIV has NEVER been identified and isolated?
sweetclaire06 2 weeks ago
@sweetclaire06 If you're saying it has you have some scientific evidence to come up with
Title Date and Journal
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 weeks ago
Why I Quit HIV by Rebecca V. Culshaw. The direct link's in the description box
"Antibody tests are fairly standard to test for certain microbes, but for anything other than HIV, the main reason they are used in place of direct tests (that is, actually looking for the bacteria or virus itself) is because they are generally much easier and cheaper than direct testing. Most importantly, such antibody tests have been rigorously verified against the GOLD STANDARD of microbial isolation..."
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 weeks ago
"This stands in vivid contrast to HIV, for which antibody tests are used because there exists NO test for the actual virus.....It is worth noting at this point that viral load, like antibody tests, has never been verified against the Gold Standard of HIV isolation. bDNA uses PCR as a gold standard, PCR uses antibody tests as a gold standard, and antibody tests use each other......... None use HIV itself."
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 weeks ago
I didn't see Rebecca Culshaw in this video. She iis listed in the description. Is there an interview with her?
sarcee1960 2 weeks ago
@sarcee1960 No. There's a link to the article she wrote in the description box which inspired the title of this video though.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 weeks ago
Proving HIV existence with Gallo's HIV antibody test is like trying to prove God with the bible.
Konlakey 3 weeks ago
@Konlakey True. Or like trying to prove body thetans cause aids by using an e-meter.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 3 weeks ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Lets assume HIV is real and the antibodies tests are accurate. Still, what I never understood is that why the presence of the antibodies always guarantees active infection. Don't antibodies mean protections? Why is it different for HIV? I remember watching a video where Gallo talked about this, but don't recall him explaining exactly why this is the case.
Konlakey 2 weeks ago
@Konlakey Yes. Antibodies conferring immunity is behind the principle of vaccination. Gallo's virus of mass destruction theory for immune suppression expects people to just throw out everything everyone has learned over the past several centuries re: biology and science.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 weeks ago
Why do people resort to making ad hominem attacks? Because they CANT win an argument on the merits of their case. Frustrated and infuriated, the believers lash out at those who reveal that their Emperor is nude. AIDStruthers CANT cite a set of specific publications to prove that “HIV” tests detect active infection, and they CANT cite a set of specific publications to prove that “HIV” causes AIDS; so they try to “kill the messengers” who bring these facts to public attention.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 3 weeks ago
His description of his encounter with Montagnier sounds like a student in a Jack Chick track confronting his professor. "He didn't have an answer!"
algerhistogram 1 month ago
@algerhistogram Sweetie...I don't know who that is..but if it's a personal attack instead of the Title Date and Journal of the peer reviewed scientific reference that will clear this whole mess up...then you can count that as your first logical fallacy. Two more and you have to go sit in the corner with L Ron and Co.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 month ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Wow, both defensive AND condescending in one comment. You're a prize!
algerhistogram 3 weeks ago
@algerhistogram It is stated VERY clearly in the video description box that I'm tired of virus of mass destruction cultists and that I block after 3 logical fallacies. If you want to use yours up trying to shoot messengers that's up to you. You've had four days to come up with some Scientific evidence for your beliefs but instead of doing that it's all ad hominem attack. Why is that?
mykoolaidtastesfunny 3 weeks ago
Thumbs up from Little Vader!!!!! Greets from Germany!!!
TheKlumpenkind 1 month ago
HIV = FRAUD wake up people and smell the coffee. this ain't no joke. this is the beginning of a worldwide revolution.
Shayanpac 1 month ago
“In fact there is no test for HIV. It’s just an illusion..early on when we were working in collaboration with Abbott Labs it was clear that there was NO GOLD STANDARD for HIV—no direct isolation of the virus. Nobody has ever demonstrated that HIV is present when any combination, or any one, of these tests comes up + None of these tests can be validated, ever. Period.Because we don’t have a way to isolate and culture HIV to prove its existence”
Dr Rodney Richards...see link in video box
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 months ago
To confirm see the test kit disclaimers. The direct links are on my channel under the profile pic
At present (2011) there is NO RECOGNIZED STANDARD for establishing the presence or absence of HIV-1 and HIV-2 antibody in human blood"
Abbott Laboratories, Diagnostic Division, 66-8805/R5;
PCR disclaimer....AMPLICOR HIV-1 MONITOR Test, v1.5 is....NOT...intended to be used as a screening test for blood or blood products for the presence of HIV-1 or as a diagnostic test to confirm the pres....
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 months ago
Here you go. Multiple references proving AIDS fulfil Koch's postulates. Google Koch's Postulates Fulfilled: The Relationship Between the Human Immunodeficiency Virus and the Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome
ptolomey12 2 months ago
@ptolomey12 You copy pasted your "evidence" from another video so it got marked automatically as spam by youtube
Also.....DUH!! That's not a scientific reference. You need the peer reviewed scientific reference where GALLO actually isolated any such thing out of an aids patient and linked it to immune problems
Title Date and Journal. It's isn't up to skeptics to go find your evidence for you.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 months ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny I wasn't asking you to comment on the article but the references there in. I read your rebuttal paper there is no science in it.
You are not a virologist stop going on about Koch's postulates. You talk of this gold standard of isolation, with comparison to whats. HIV has been proven to exist with the same techniques shown to illustrate the flu, or ebola, or herpes etc etc. Read the referenced papers, tell me how they are flawed scientifically
ptolomey12 2 months ago
@Katkinsful's retarded sockpuppet..... It's not up to me to go find your evidence for you O "Forgetful" One
That is ALL based on Gallo's crap antibody tests O "Forgetful" One. That doesn't prove Gallo's fake ass virus exists....it ASSUMES it does.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 months ago
@ptolomey12 No...O "Forgetful" One...even the "discoverers" never found any such thing in any aids patient ever. That is a big FAIL for Koch's Postulates. "Proof" by assertion is a logical fallacy NOT a peer reviewed scientific reference.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 months ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny I hasten to add. You still have not explained how you can PCR a blood sample amplify HIV genes which encode for functional proteins which can then be studied and shown to infect T cells and perform a whole load of complex interactions with cells and themselves
You also fail to answer if HIV doesn't exist what is the cause of AIDS
ptolomey12 2 months ago
@ptolomey12 PCR does NOT do that. "Proof" by assertion is not scientific evidence. It's the same problem as with Gallo's crap antibody tests....without a Direct Isolation they have no idea what they're even supposed to be looking for. Duh!
It is NOT up to skeptics to prove or disprove your VMD cult for you. YOU have the burden of proof. Trying to shift the burden of proof is yet another of your logical fallacies.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 months ago
@ptolomey12 Idiot....that's the Surveillance Report that Kary Mullis makes fun of specifically in THIS video as not being a scientific reference. Did you "forget"?
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 months ago
@ptolomey12 Google....NIH NIAID REBUTTAL PAPER...... since it's obvious that you have nooo idea of what Koch's Postulates even are.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 months ago
Hey koolaid do your research the medicine is killing people and draining pockets
jbryming 2 months ago
Absolute horseSHIT! HIV is the virus that causes AIDS. Amazing the kind of bullshit people try and present as fact.
ColonPal 2 months ago
@ColonPal Lol...did you "forget" AGAIN? The burden of proof is on believers NOT skeptics. If YOU have the scientific reference the dissident scientists have been asking for NAME it. Or....admit you get "your" ideas from internet marketers with ZERO relevant credentials
google......THE GUINEA PIG KIDS THE BBC AND THE AIDSTRUTH MAFIA
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 months ago
@ColonPal Do your homework, not easy but better than the "bullshit" that is mainstream propaganda -- HIV does not cause AIDS. Medication is the cause of the AIDS deaths from the 80s and 90s. "This whole thing is a big sham." Stop the testing, stop the murder.
poetxyz 2 months ago
all the people dying in africa is a myth and all the statistics are hoaxed and exaggerated?? this immuno compromised condition is just imagined? it's still hard to grasp that foolery of this magnitude can be pulled off.
jobz199 3 months ago
@jobz199 What do you mean? We are STILL at war over WMDs. There have been NO increases in death rates or decreases in population in any country anwhere in the world. Africa's population has DOUBLED in the past 20 years. All they've done is re-market the diseases of poverty and malnutrition as "Omfg...AIDS!"
There is no VMD. You don't need a VMD to explain why broke *** people get sick and die. Google.....Flying Toilet...if you don't believe me.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 months ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny true. poverty is a terrible disease and kills millions of people. i guess i just have to continue studying and educate myself.. they said they're teaching us evidence based medicine. how the hell do you distinguish legitimate science from hulabalu these days? HIV is part of medical text books! hard to question things taught to you everyday and things you read from textbooks written by experts. by the time i finish med school i hope this issue is resolved.
jobz199 2 months ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny -- You're an idiot! The planet's population has been increasing exponentially for the past couple hundred years, but the death rate has soared even higher. HIV has ravaged Africa and during the epidemic killed millions all over the world. With medical breakthroughs, HIV is no longer a death sentence in today's society thanks to the miracles of modern medicine and can be managed in the same way that some forms of cancer and hepatitis are treated.
Grow the fuck up!
ColonPal 2 months ago
@ColonPal "but the death rate has soared even higher. HIV has ravaged Africa and during the epidemic killed millions all over the world. With medical breakthroughs, HIV is no longer a death sentence in today's society thanks to the miracles of modern medicine and can be managed in the same way that some forms of cancer and hepatitis are treated."
Amen to that. I can't believe this is still even being debated.
sweetclaire06 2 weeks ago
@sweetclaire06 Not it hasn't you idiot. Check the census reports. Africa's population has DOUBLED from 400 million to 800 million in the past 20 years.
It is stated very clearly in the video description box that I block after 3 logical fallacies so you better get your act together.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 weeks ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Hey...I'm African, three years ago, my uncle died of aids, a year later another one died of the same disease. I have a friend from another part of Africa (we met here in the US), both her parents died of AIDS. We watched them die and observed the symptoms. While most people think all Africans suffer from malnutrition, my family doesn't and neither did my friend's. You can seat here and believe what you like, we on the ground know what's happening.
Visionwriter1 2 months ago
@Visionwriter1 I grew up with thisvirus of mass destruction bullshit in the family. I changed countries over this bullshit. I was also fully indoctrinated at one point. What I found when I started asking questions though is that knowing someone who is sick does NOT make you an expert in medicine. Knowing someone with cancer does not make you an oncologist.
I have a LACK of belief. I do NOT believe in something even the "discoverers" never found in an aids patient.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 months ago
@Visionwriter1 In 27 years the ONLY people I know who got sick or died after getting a reaction on one of L Ron Gallo's bullshit "hiv" tests were the ones taking the "lifesaving" meds. The UNmedicated junkies are just fine relative to other junkies.
The FACT is that there have been NO increases in death rates in ANY country anywhere in the world. There is nothing "new" going on. I'd be interested to hear what those peoples' autopsies listed as COD since "aids" is not a specific cause of death.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 months ago
@Visionwriter1"You can seat here and believe what you like, we on the ground know what's happening."
I'm sitting here in the US in a gay community.And I know of what you speak.These denialists/dissidents what ever you want to call them like Mullis et.al. have never taken care of an AIDS patient. I've witnessed the survival rates soar with HARRT. Does it cure AIDS? No.Are there sometimes severe side effects?Yes! Is it the best thing we have so far for extending life? YES!
sweetclaire06 2 weeks ago
@sweetclaire06 Stop lying. There is ZERO scientific evidence that taking ANY of those drugs improves clinical health or mortality.
Lancet. 2006 Aug 5;368(9534):451-8.
HIV treatment response and prognosis in Europe and North America in the first decade of highly active antiretroviral therapy: a collaborative analysis.
INTERPRETATION:
Virological response after starting HAART improved over calendar years, but such improvement has.........NOT....... translated into a decrease in mortality.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 weeks ago
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@mykoolaidtastesfunny Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I mean that in a serious way. You quoted, "Virological response after starting HAART improved over calendar years, but such improvement has...NOT.. translated into a decrease in mortality." Then you seemed to think this proved drugs are not improving health. That very statement said they do, and obviously mortality is unchanged due to death years later.
wazwolf 2 days ago
@sweetclaire06 You need the peer reviewed scientific reference where Gallo actually made a direct isolation of this alleged virus of mass destruction out of an actual aids patient in order to scientifically validate the so-called "hiv" tests and then demonstrated that it was in fact the causal micro-organism
Title Date and Journal. You've already used up your logical fallacies but I'll give you one more chance to come up with something logical to support your beliefs.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 weeks ago
still cant make a stand on this issue. cant find enough readings to make a decision haha. if this was indeed all a conspiracy, wouldn't neutral parties (other governments not involved in the business and politics of HIV) be able to easily verify by now the validity of HIV science? just wondering.
jobz199 3 months ago
@jobz199 What "conspiracy"? Where WMDs a "conspiracy" or is it just the same old story?
mykoolaidtastesfunny 2 months ago
Hiv/aids is scam.. Aids is over and many people now knows it..
MrBIGquestion1 4 months ago
@kaldemvor HIV does not exist, it is misinformation that kills, it kills are antiretrovirals, Roberto Gallo is fake along with Margaret Heckler, Hence ran the world a myth called HIV, AIDS, HIV does not exist there. and this is very easy and inexpensive cure
MrMartinmartin2002 4 months ago
I'm highly skeptical of the official story of the origin of AIDS, but the experts in this video fail to answer a big question: If HIV doesn't cause AIDS, what does?
kaldemvor 4 months ago
@kaldemvor check out what Celia Farber, Peter Duesberg, and others say about this ... at first it was toxic, intravenous drugs in the early 80s, and then AZT in the mid 80s, and AZT continues to be in some of the newer drugs but with less potency and mixed with other drugs ... over time, after taking these "cocktail" drugs for years, the toxicity of them will/would kill anyone ... this is why people who are taking these meds are dying now from heart attacks, liver failure, cancer, etc.
ladprao130 4 months ago
@ladprao130 That makes sense. AZT is approved by the FDA. That alone should raise a huge red flag. Most of the time drugs cause more problems than anything else. Thanks for the info; I'll be checking it out.
kaldemvor 4 months ago
@kaldemvor AZT was initially a failed 60s treatment for cancer ... but brought it back and gave it intravenously in the early 80s .. and then later in the mid 80s, AZT became the drug of choice to treat people who apparently tested positive for the so-called HIV antibody test ... what's even more crazy is that AZT is on California's deadly chemical list for environmental hazards!
ladprao130 4 months ago
@ladprao130 excuse my bad English (I'm Italian, French and Spanish, but I know very little English) but I follow the story of AIDS from the beginning and I think many doctors know much more (I agree with K. Mullis them defined or CRIMINALS .. IDIOTS or 'tertium non datur', said the Latin) a lie repeated 7 times becomes a truth, Goebbels, who was an expert said hello
GianpieroMI 3 months ago
@GianpieroMI sorry, i don't understand what you mean by "I think many doctors know much more" ... please explain? thanks.
ladprao130 3 months ago
LOL, OBAMA WON THE NOBLE PEACE PRIZE..
SEEMS THEY'LL GIVE IT TO ANYBODY
WillBattleyou 5 months ago
@WillBattleyou Um...DUH! But Kary Mullis actually DID something for his Nobel Prize...he invented the PCR the basis of the "hiv" viral load tests. Honey....do you not know how to post a scientific reference? It is stated very clearly in the video description box that I block after 3 logical fallacies.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 5 months ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Kary Mullis has clearly stated that "his" PCR test should not be used to test for viral load ... please check Mullis' work/writings to learn more about this.
ladprao130 4 months ago
@ladprao130 I have the direct link to the PCR disclaimer on my channel under the Pope pic.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 4 months ago
PCR disclaimer....The ... AMPLICOR HIV-1 MONITOR Test, v1.5 is.......NOT......... intended to be used as a screening test for blood or blood products for the presence of HIV-1 or as a diagnostic test to confirm the presence of HIV-1 infection.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 4 months ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny hahaha ... great!
ladprao130 4 months ago
@WillBattleyou
Henry Kissinger too!
ossiorn 3 months ago
how similar to global warming - these scumbags are "modeling" disease - completely theoretically in the lab, and extrapolate it to make theoretical, out of the thin air predictions . I'm watching these people (Gallo, Montagnier and others) for a few weeks now and they lie/hide information. You can quite easily pick it up from their body language - looking for help up and down, rubbing the nose, shaky voice. All symptoms of very nervous person who hides something.
JJTechnologies 5 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 Exactly. People act is if governments and corporations lying to make money is news. And yeh....I passed up a lot of sex too over this bullshit >:(
mykoolaidtastesfunny 6 months ago
That south african journalist sounds respectable but that fox racing cap he's wearing says otherwise
BlackDongs2Dextreme 6 months ago
Im a med student up 2 in the morning studying for a virology exam suddenly i come across this video. what to do???? haha. now i cant sleep and i need to find answers. where do i find the most credible peer reviewed journals about this shit? how do i evaluate the validity of scientific journals on AIDS?
jobz199 6 months ago
@jobz199 You need the papers where it was shown that an actual infectious virus particle was isolated out of an actual ads patient so you could examine it and know what the proteins and nucleic acids are. Then you need to prove that it is a causal micro-organism. Title Date and Journal.
That's about it really but the dissident scientists have been asking for a very long time so far to no avail.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 6 months ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny i thought that the genome of the virus is well studied? i thought they have identified the genes that code for the envelope proteins, the viral enzymes and the core structural proteins? everything is so coonfusing now. haha
jobz199 6 months ago
@jobz199 The only appropriate gold standard for antibody tests like the Elisa or WB is an actual microbe to compare them against. How else can you know what you're supposed to be looking for? So.....where's the gold standard for the antibody tests?
Why do people think what they're looking at is an "hiv" genome? They never find the same thing twice. The only connection to all those other "hiv's" is a reaction on Gallo's antibody tests. EVerything revolves around those antibody tests.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 6 months ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny so in essence you believe that the etiology of this immuno deficient disease is still unknown??? are you denying the existence of the virus or merely denying HIV as the causative agent of AIDS?
jobz199 6 months ago
@jobz199 Nobody disputes the existence of immune problems. What's in dispute is the cause. Gallo was found guilty of fraud by the US Gov for the exact same papers everyone has been wetting their pants over for 27 years. He never actually found any such virus in any aids patient ever. He just falsified his data, stole a sample that didn't even come from anyone with aids, announced a VMD at a press conference before his papers were even published and patented a test.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 6 months ago
To see Gallo's fantabulous "proof" google....A Selection of HIV Documents Evidence of Fraud? Unearthed by US Governmental Investigations into the scientific work of Dr. Robert Gallo
Make nore of the NIH's letter to Gallo....What VMD? All you have is crap here
Then scroll down to see what Gallo scribbled out...."Despite intensive research efforts the causative agent of aids has NOT been identified"
then he called a VMD press conference.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 6 months ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny so you accept that HIV exists but it isnt the causative agent of AIDS? am i correct? how come after finding mr Gallo guilty the government didnt take any measures to educate the public? wouldn't the WHO be aware and be responsible enough to intervene? This type of conspiracy are the kind you only see in comic books.
jobz199 6 months ago
@jobz199 No it doesn't exist. The only evidence you have for it are antibody tests that Gallo holds the patent on
Why don't governments admit they screwed up and terrorized the whole planet for no reason? Well...why do you think they don't want to do that? The citizens are going to demand a head to march around the town square probably more than 1 head. Now picture the lawsuits for 5 minutes...wrongful death malpractice profiteering genocide etc
What do you mean why won't they admit it?
mykoolaidtastesfunny 6 months ago
@jobz199 Plus this is the guy who signs the checks for the NIH. He decides who does and does not get funding and he generously awarded Himself somewhere in the region of 100 MILLION dollars just for him to fight the dread VMD.
google.....TONY FAUCI'S BANKROLL
People in power making millions/Billions of dollars from lying to people is unfortunately not something you only see in comic books ....cough cough...IRAQ...cough......
mykoolaidtastesfunny 6 months ago
@jobz199 hmmm - there is no argument in what you say. The existance of HIV doesn't mean more than... existence of HIV. HIV existed for decades before was "discovered" (it was known before as a virus of a different group (don't remember which one now) and was "changed" to the lentivirus classification, therefore it was made to appear as something new. Another nonsense. As per WHO - there is an istitution with it's boards, funds, political influences etc, so you have your comic book right here
JJTechnologies 5 months ago
@JJTechnologies It doesn't exist at all. The only evidence for its existence are GALLOS antibody tests. When they run Mullis's test they never even find the same thing twice. It's ALL a scam right from the beginning.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 5 months ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny so it's even worse. Practically everything they've thought me a a child/adult is a lie. Don't really know what to do with these people - they should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity
JJTechnologies 5 months ago
@JJTechnologies Agreed. Unfortunately they have control of the mass media so....
mykoolaidtastesfunny 5 months ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny there is something very scary in this situation. It's actually quite easy to find out for yourself what is what, educate yourself to the point where it's all quite clear. I believed in the "official version" for nearly whole my life and it all crashed instantenously when someone challenged me to produce the proof. I went literally everywhere and coulding find it. So I ARRIVED at my opinion. But what they do is actually killing sick people in Africa and it has to stop
JJTechnologies 5 months ago
@JJTechnologies I grew up with it in the family. I used to have to get up at night to change sheets because she was "seroconverting". I was fully indoctrinated at one point in a way they never got me with religion. It's marketed as "science" so....you assume it's actually followed scientific principles.
Unfortunately....No. It was announced at a frkkin PRESS CONFERENCE before any papers had even been published. Of course the media ate it up. They looove blood sex and death. It sells papers.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 5 months ago
If we won't find the way to get it to the media the mass killing will continue. I really, really believed that the pictures of these poor, completely destroyed wrecks of the people they were showing in spots about AIDS are cuased by HIV, now I know it's antiretroviral medicine killing them in thousands. It's in the name of the economic gain. Even Montagnier admitted it (the fact is that he's contradicting himself a lot) but it went unnoticed. It's sould destroying
JJTechnologies 5 months ago
@JJTechnologies Ha yeh....Montagnier has been trying to back out of this mess for decades. He got sucked into when Gallo stole from. I can't tell if he's thinking discretion is the better part of valor or if he's just spineless and weak. The only thing he's been consistent in is inconsistency.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 5 months ago
@jobz199 well, there are two camps on this issue ... one camp says that it has never been isolated so therefore there is not data to show that it does actually exist ... the second camp (Peter Duesberg) says that it does exist but that it is a "passenger" retrovirus, which means that it is basically harmless.
ladprao130 4 months ago
@jobz199 These are the alleged "hiv" proteins used in/for All the antibody tests since the day Gallo got the patent back in the 80s.... p17/18, p24/25, p31/32, gp41, p53/55, gp120, and gp160
How did he come up with them with nothing to observe or examine? A lucky guess? How does "hiv" both mutate so quickly that nobody ever finds the same thing twice AND remain exactly the same at the same time? For 27 years?
It IS a complicated topic but the more you look at it the more it all falls apart
mykoolaidtastesfunny 6 months ago
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jobz199 6 months ago
@jobz199 You should be careful too if you're going into medicine. The test kit manufacturers make no claim that their products can make a specific diagnosis or what predictive value their products have. The drug manufacturers also make no claim that people who get a reaction on Gallo's antibody test will live longer healthier lives if they buy their products than if they don't.
They cover their asses with the disclaimers. It's the Dr's and clinics who can be sued for claiming otherwise.
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jobz199 6 months ago
Respond to this video... politics and business have corrupted the medical sciences so terribly that it has become very hard to distinguish genuine evidence based science from PR crap. how do you choose what to swallow and what to spit out?
jobz199 6 months ago
Google.....Judge Denies Motion to Dismiss Farber Libel Suit: Case Continues
and....THE AIDSTRUTH RATS SCATTER
for a peek at who finances them.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 6 months ago
Thank god for Dr. Christian Fiala for making this painfully difficult subject matter to be understood for the lay viewer! I thought the journalist would be able to do it for me but I was relatively lost during his presentation as well.
ellisonwrigh60srage 7 months ago
@ellisonwrigh60srage There's an extended interview with Dr Fiala on youtube....Dr. Christian Fiala's Extended House of Numbers Interview
along with most of the others in this video. Neville Hodgkinson's article in the video description box is worth a read even if you didn't find his interview clip very helpful.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 7 months ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Thanks, I really appreciate it! I was just wondering what you thought about Dr. Boyd E. Graves or Nancy Turner Banks, M.D.
ellisonwrigh60srage 7 months ago
@ellisonwrigh60srage I've heard of Nancy Turner Banks but I can't think from where right now. As for Boyd Graves....there's a radio debate he took part in with David Crowe where he hung up and ran away. That's the only time I ever heard Graves speak for himself and I wasn't wildly impressed There's a direct link to it in the video description box of the "My Hiv Soap Box" video
The Great AIDS debate audio interview Crowe vs. Graves:
mykoolaidtastesfunny 7 months ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Yeah I came across that and thought it was strange because I've seen a town hall meeting with him and an appearance on the old Armstrong Williams show; and he did a great representing himself. At any rate, thanks again.
ellisonwrigh60srage 7 months ago
@DishrackDarwin You can't infect yourself with something that doesn't exist. You can't infect yourself with demons or body thetans either.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 8 months ago
For anyone who came to this video via a lnk from sofiarunes "free speech advocate". She blocked me from her channel after I asked her about any pssible financial conflicts of interests she may have re: Gallo's virus as the cause of aids.
She then moved the goal posts by NOT presenting the papers asked for and did NOT post her "evidence" to this video as agreed. She then declared herself victorious. This is typical behavior for cultists
mykoolaidtastesfunny 8 months ago
Review: 'House of Numbers' blurs facts on HIV
Published: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 4:54 PM
OregonLive
AIDS Seen From a Different Angle, NYT. 9/4/09 "Couched as a “personal journey” through the history of H.I.V. and AIDS, “House of Numbers” is actually a weaselly support pamphlet for AIDS denialists..."
etc.etc.etc...
jffryfnt 8 months ago
@jffryfnt Lol...talk about an appeal to false authority
Are you fukkin serious? Go ask the NYT for the Title Date and Journal for the peer reviewed scientific reference the dissident scientists have been asking to see.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 8 months ago
Everyone, yes you must cave in to the poster's point of view otherwise you will be blocked and she will then never again have to deal with your challenges to her pet hypothesis which has been infinitely disproved over and over again. At least a skeptic demands evidence, blinded dogma is anything but. Ugh, as if it wasn't more obvious than the theory of gravity, then Sir Isaac Newton would really be fucked! :)
jffryfnt 8 months ago
@jffryfnt No. You must remain logical. If YOU have the reference the dissident scientists have been looking for feel free to Name it....Title Date and Journal
Three logical fallacies and you're out. If someone is incapable of logical debate they're a waste of time and can go sit in the corner with L Ron.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 8 months ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Well, it couldn't possibly be a logical fallacy to ask of you to do a journal search in PubMed with the search term, 'HIV', now would it? Or would it be a logical fallacy of me to ask of you that statistical significance is enough to render the null hypothesis incorrect? That of which your entire position is based?
jffryfnt 8 months ago
@jffryfnt Actually yes it is. The burden of proof is on those who make a claim not on those who dispute it. Look it up if you don't believe me. If YOU believe in God or body thetans or Gallo's virus then it is YOU who needs to cough up evidence and it needs to be in the form of peer reviewed scientific papers not a frikkin NYT movie review.
Title Date and Journal. That's all the that's relevant and all you need to come up with
mykoolaidtastesfunny 8 months ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny You are such a delusional hypocrite, seriously. You demand logical argumentation at your own convenience yet at the same time are the worst at presenting any semblance of a logical case. First of all, appeal to ignorance. How dare you prance around as you do ignoring the mountains of evidence found in the scientific literature while at the same time act like you are 'in the know' about HIV/AIDS, at the same time your only sources are quotes and documentaries?
jffryfnt 8 months ago
@jffryfnt Sigh....ad hominem attack AND "Proof " by assertion.
No scientific reference? No Title Date and Journal? No. Of course not. You virus of mass destruction cultists have ZERO scientific evidence to support your faith. You used up your three logical fallacies. You Gallo cultists sure are a waste of time.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 8 months ago
@jffryfnt Duh! YOU are the one who needs to make a logical case. The burden of proof is on those who make a claim NOT on those who dispute it. Did you "forget" AGAIN!?!?!?
You virus of mass destruction cultists sure are "forgetful". You JUST tried that in your last comment and YOU are the one who can only come up with NYT film reviews to make your case.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 8 months ago
go inject yourself with gallo's virus
problem solved
MrMegatruth 8 months ago
@MrMegatruth Honey...an appeal to fear is not the Title Date and Journal of the primary peer reviewed scientific reference. You sound like a Creationist threatening me with hell fire.
Gallo never actually found any such virus in any aids patient ever. Imaginary things CANT hurt you you superstitious idiot.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 8 months ago
@MrMegatruth Also...the Ministry of Aidstruth is just some infomercial marketing site with Zero scientists on the board. You might want to rethink using their "arguments" in a debate. "Dr" Jeanne is a lawyer whose PhD is in marketing and Professor Nick is a professor of economics not science.
You CANT inject yourself with something even the "discoverer" never actually found. I can't inject myself with demons or body thetans either.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 8 months ago
@MrMegatruth I just removed your duplicate appeal to fear "argument" It doesn't get any more logical the more you try it.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 8 months ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny
again, go have sex with an infected person
MrMegatruth 8 months ago
@MrMegatruth Sigh...again.....trying to appeal to emotion is NOT the Title Date and Journal of a peer reviewed scientific reference. "Infected" according to what? Gallo's fantabulous "hiv" tests. Duh...that's the problem. You have ZERO evidence that those tests detect a Specific viral infection. Gallo had NOTHING to observe or examine so he had NOTHING to compare his tests to to validate them scientifically.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 8 months ago
@MrMegatruth Also...The largest and longest study of hetero transmission even done in N Amer found ZERO transmission even after 10 years worth of barebacking so.....your appeal to fear isn't even very scary.
Did you read the video description box? I'm sick of you virus of mass destruction cultists and I block after 3 logical fallacies.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 8 months ago
@MrMegaBOOB, got your stupid ass pwned didn't you? HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR
MaximusArurealius 8 months ago
@MaximusArurealius He used up his logical fallacies and was blocked. It isn't fair to keep mocking him since he can't reply.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 8 months ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny "It isn't fair to keep mocking him since he can't reply."
HAR HAR HAR OH YES IT IS
HAR HAR HAR
MaximusArurealius 8 months ago
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@MrMegaBOOB, how about your wife? IS she still infected?
MaximusArurealius 8 months ago
@MrMegatruth Simple little retort for a simple fucking mind. Mother fucker go read some real literature and prove koolaid wrong IF koolaid is wrong. You can walk into many different Universities and get research papers printed out. Sit there and use your brain, or keep acting like a dumb rotten little cunt.
MedicsWorld 7 months ago
@MedicsWorld He used up his logical fallacies and was blocked. It's not about him proving me wrong. The burden of proof is on believers not skeptics. If someone believes in God or demons or unicorns or Gallo's virus of mass destruction then it is they are the ones who have something to prove. None of the people who beleeeve in Gallo's virus can ever come up with anything convincing though. It's always just one fallacy after another.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 7 months ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Yeah Koch's postulate is how you pretty much guarentee that the microbe is causing the illness. Am I correct in my understanding that they still haven't even isolated the so called AIDS virus?
MedicsWorld 7 months ago
@MedicsWorld Yep. That's the problem. The key is in the test kit disclaimers themselves
no recognized standard = no gold standard = no direct isolation and no virus of mass destruction.
The direct links to the test kit disclaimers are in the video description box and on my channel under the pic of the pope
mykoolaidtastesfunny 7 months ago
@MrMegatruth "so let's take 1000 hiv infected blood bags and inject 1000 AIDS denialist that would be a good start, and give reasonable proof for HIV causing AIDS" So a man who questions whether HIV causes AIDS is an AIDS “denialist“(I doubt that‘s a word)? Okay there Batman. You keep fighting crime and shooting meth, leave the real science and medicine to those of us who AREN'T living in a comic book fairy tale stoned out of their mind on who knows what kind of crack. ;)
MedicsWorld 7 months ago
@MrMegatruth
Hi bencubed, hi megarevealer, hi nakedapedude, hi pontecanis etc
You got pwned as usual must have made you cry just like you do when you go running to youtube like the wuss you are.
hahahahahahha
WildCatsKitten1 8 months ago
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@MrMegatruth Megatruth posted on my wall, figure all put it here and respond to it in context: "it is still a very effective argument, think about it, if they really believe the bullshit they are spreading, go get a bag full of infected blood and inject themselves with it. if they live, which they probably won't they will have changed the world. grow up YOU little cunt"
MedicsWorld 7 months ago
@MrMegatruth Ummmm grabbing AIDS blood and injecting yourself with it then dying is not how you prove that HIV causes AIDS. Thats how you prove that AIDS blood can kill people, there ain't nothing bloody specific about it. lol. With that logic, you could inject blood filled with anthrax but say you're trying to prove tuberculosis and when you get sick you say tuberculosis is the cause. Let alone severe reaction to someone elses blood.You freakin ding bat.
MedicsWorld 7 months ago
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@MrMegatruth He replied: " actually, i said infected, so grab a bag of blood infected with HIV, inject yourse;f and change the world
if you REALLY believe in your convictions "
MedicsWorld 7 months ago
@MrMegatruth Once again, NO! This is not how you prove HIV causes AIDS. This is how you prove that said blood package contains SOMETHING that causes AIDS. You can say you think HIV is doing it, but without being able to culture the organism specifically, cause the illness in even a fraction of subjects injected and then extract it from the patient and prove the organism is the same one that you put in it is not absolute scientific method. Which means it's no where near certainty.
MedicsWorld 7 months ago
@MedicsWorld He can't answer you. He used up his logical fallacies and was blocked. I'm tired of Gallo cultists constantly recycling the same fallacies so now I limit everyone to three. After that they have to go sit in the corner with L Ron & co.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 7 months ago
The scientific community considers the evidence that HIV causes AIDS to be conclusive and rejects AIDS-denialist claims as pseudoscience based on conspiracy theories, faulty reasoning, cherry picking, and misrepresentation of mainly outdated scientific data. With the rejection of these arguments by the scientific community, AIDS-denialist material is now spread mainly through the Internet. i.e mykoolaidtastesfunny
foxlake02 6 months ago
@foxlake02 "proof" by assertion "proof" by consensus strawmen and flat out lies are NOT the Title Date and Journal of a scientific reference odinata's sockpuppet. You used up your logical fallacies in one go copy pasting from the Ministry of Aidstruth.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 6 months ago
Google....The Guinea Pig Kids The BBC & The AIDSTruth Mafia
"who is this self appointed bunch at AIDS Truth?
A dozen people who include a graduate student ( Witwer), a professor of economics (Nicoli Nattrass), several “HIV/AIDS activists” with no technical credentials (Martin Delaney, Geffen,Gonsalves, Jefferys), and a PhD in a non-scientific discipline (Jeanne Bergman) Yet these people say Mullis and Duesberg aren’t qualified to talk about HIV/AIDS because they’ve never done research on it!"
mykoolaidtastesfunny 6 months ago
@foxlake02 Incorrect, the current scientific community admits HIV/AIDS as far as it pertains to heterosexuals is dead. They realise there is nothing but a disproven model for the mode of action of HIV infecting the Thelper cells. 2 nobel Laureates claim HIV is cleared by a healthy immune system . The Perth group alone has 100s of PHD scientists that agree there is no connection between AIDS and HIV. It is the ridiculous HIV causes AIDS theory that is outdated .
MindofaJedi 6 months ago
@MrMegatruth : "blood transfusions happen EVERYDAY without problems, dingbat. just make sure they have the same blood type. i thought that went without saying, but you seem a little slow" How am I supposed to know where your education is at? In one area you're smart and in another you're a bleeding moron? This leads to confusing grounds in which I no longer know who I'm dealing with. Thus I have to lay down all the facts incase the totality of your insanity is at par with absolute stupidity.
MedicsWorld 7 months ago
Type in "howHIVCausesAIDS" into google, follow the link for "niaid" and then "The Evidence That HIV Causes AIDS"
A collection of studies showing the link between HIV and AIDS.
Ironic how PCR is vital technique in showing that almost all AIDS suffers have HIV genes present.
It is a shame that someone like Kary Mullis who is credited for something as important PCR can turn to ideas like AIDS denialism, climate change denial and a very disturbingly belief in astrology
TubeTest42 9 months ago
@TubeTest42 It isn't up to me to go find your evidence for you. Do you seriously think Kary Mullis just doesn't under stand how to look up scientific papers? Do you think he just hasn't heard of wiki?
Also.... Even people who never get a reaction on Gallo's crap antibody test can have high "hiv" viral loads. They never even find the same thing twice and PCR is not intended to diagnose or confirm diagnosis of "hiv" infection. Go read the disclaimer. It's under my profile pic
mykoolaidtastesfunny 9 months ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny I would doubt Mullis's his ability to examine scientific evidence based upon other pseudo-scientific beliefs he allegedly holds.
But I recognise that it has nothing to do with if he's right on this occasion.
There is a clear correlation between concentration of HIV RNA concentration and progression to aids. (Mellors et al. Ann Intern Med 1997;126:946) Form the website I mentioned earlier. If there is a rebuttal to this that makes sense I would very much like to hear it.
TubeTest42 9 months ago
Honey....guilt by association is an logical fallacy. You need the PRIMARY peer reviewed reference. Gallo announced the virus of mass destruction and got the patent for the "hiv" antibody tests back in the 80's. Your reference is about 15 years too late to be the primary reference and it uses Gallo's antibody tests as the foundation of the "evidence". Using Gallo's antibody test to prove Gallo's virus is like using an e-meter to prove body thetans. It's circular reasoning.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 9 months ago
@TubeTest42 That reference doesn't prove Gallo's virus exists and kills people...it ASSUMES it does. Also correlation doesn't prove causation and there is no correlation btw "viral load" and CD4 counts anyway.
Rodríguez B et al., 2006. “Predictive Value of Plasma HIV RNA Level on Rate of CD4 T-Cell Decline in Untreated HIV Infection”, JAMA.2006; 296: 1498-1506
Rodríguez et al give a coefficient of determination (R^2) of just 4% between “viral load” and model-estimated CD4 cell loss rate
mykoolaidtastesfunny 9 months ago