The Cloud Mystery 1/6

[CitizenOvTheWorld]

Serioiusly need this DVD. Help!!!!!!! Where might I get it???????

[Floxflow]

@CitizenOvTheWorld You can find it if you search "the cloud mystery". I did and the documentarys homepage was the top result. I can try to message it to you here on youtube see your inbox.

[jdepps13]

Climate change denier! He must be silenced!

[MillenniumRequiem]

@sargedud3

It's atmosphere is 90x more dense than Earth's. It would of been fine. The water wouldn't of boild away for millions of years to form al the now eroded features on it's surface, so something was going right.

Learn something before calling another person an idiot. It just makes you look stupid doing so.

[sargedud3]

great clip, I appreciate anything that debunks gore and his false alrmist attitude, cronies and data manipulating suck-ups!!!

[T0B0KKE]

At 9:00 they do the same exact mistake. Miraculously (or intentionally) the cloud cover chart stops at year 1990...

[T0B0KKE]

At 6:13 a chart comparing temperature and solar activity is presented. Funny how the x-axis (years) stops at 1985... Why don't you show the rest 25 years (from 1985 to 2010)?? Are you trying to hide something??

This is not science of any description... this is manipulating data...

[MillenniumRequiem]

Clouds cannot trap or stop radiation all that well. Heat yes, they would reflet the heat if there was to many of them. But doesn't anyone know how gases effect our climate? Venus is a perfect example. Too much carbon dioxide in the air, created the run away green house effect. Making the planet boil away any liquid it would have.

[sargedud3]

@MillenniumRequiem the reason venus boiled away all it liquid is because its TOO CLOSE TO THE SUN, IDIOT!!!

[jdepps13]

@sargedud3 False, it's because the arrogant Venutians burned fossil fuels and sowed the seeds of their own destruction.

[BeefotronX]

The most disturbing thing about climate alarmism advocates is not simply their abuse of scientific institutions, but in the underlying political agenda that is, quite simply, fascist. They want governments to take control of industries, especially in the energy sector, and dictate matters of lifestyle to individual citizens. And when they are challenged, they begin suggesting the use of force.

[TheWillwillwill]

The human race is adicted to indoctrination. Why would a giant fire ball in the sky effect climate. Sure it makes summer and winter, but nothing else. Humans are screwed.

[Rumpl4skn]

Would be curious as to how much it pays to type short put-downs like "denialist rubbish" on these threads. Lord knows there is plenty of cash to go around, isn't there, Mr. Gore?

[ejbh3160]

9:03 look at his graph.. very carefully.

Then watch THIS... watch?v=_Sf_UIQYc20

Clouds eh? Watch THIS... watch?v=LAtD9aZYXAs

Deja debunked!

[eldadevata]

The IPCC research team has used all the available peer reviewed data, including those on clouds, vapour and dust particles. Not to mentioned the cycles of the Sun and the variations in the Earth’s magnetosphere. This video is misleading on many levels. Any scientific peer reviewed magazine would have published their research if it had evidence to support their claims. The problem probably is not with the data, but with their own peculiar and speculative interpretation of it.

[tooyjfwn]

denialist rubbish

[kingofthepaupers]

Jct: So the truth about the link between solar-magnetic activity and earth temperature was out there all along but just could not get published given the great job the climategate hoaxters had done co-opting the scientific journals!! What an incredible conspiracy the glimategate hoax was and it's a thrill to watch it unwind. Blow up.

[8stepsifu]

Not new idea. The Chinese based the book of Changes on the relationship between the solar system and the Earth....what they haven't scratched the surface of yet it how this affects the human body.

[searcher619]

@8stepsifu:

Let's not mix up superstition with hard science.

[Stringprodigy]

@searcher619 "Not to mention the fact that the researcher this documentary is about has a paper which is peer reviewed."

What's your point? An appeal to authority is a logical fallacy. Try again, simpleton.

[8stepsifu]

@searcher619

one cultures science is another's superstition. This "superstition" brought you gunpowder and many of the advances in medicine from the middle ages onward. It was using hormone replacement therapy superior to what is used today when the viking were getting started in Europe. Its called synthethetical science. This is why the reductionist approach is failing when it comes to systemic disease or global climate change.

[searcher619]

@8stepsifu :

It has also brought us religions, the Salem Witch trials, the Spanish Inquisition, and MANY other ignorance based things. Superstition is not backed by verified proof. It's backed by fear and faith. Your argument has no merit.

[Sublettp1]

@searcher619

No, religion brought you that. Western alchemy would be the western equivalent which brought us chemistry when it focused on reductionism because it was easier to measure. Chinese sciences used both inductive and deductive logic and tested hypotheses and theories. It is the height of eurocentrism to confuse your own cultural perspective with science and if you actually understood science you would know how effected it is by culture.

[searcher619]

@Sublettp1:

wow... You have no idea what science is if this is how you see things. Your worship of eastern culture is blinding you to the obvious. What's funny is science came from religion.

[8stepsifu]

@searcher619

Synthethetical isn't Eastern. Other than saying "Your argument has no merit" and "You have no idea what science is" you have no argument. You seem to believe that anything outside of your culture is superstition, again arrogance and ignorance.

[monsieurmitosis]

More solar activity = stronger magnetic field = less cosmic rays = less clouds = less heat reflecting back into space = more warmth on Earth.

Am I on the right track?

[ekstragrim]

You certainly are...

[searcher619]

@monsieurmitosis

Yes you are.

[mHalfLife]

@monsieurmitosis i dont think you are, from what i know, clouds dont allow radiation to reflect back from the earth so the more they are, the more green house effect there is

warmth and solar acitivty are connected because the more radiation the sun sends, the more we will get

[T0B0KKE]

@monsieurmitosis We will have the "casting out nines" verification in the next decade. Solar intensity and the # of sun spots will decrease significantly in the next 22 years, so if this theory is right, the temperatures should decrease by some degree. However, this does not prove that we are too small to influence climate. Just look at CFC's! We destroyed a good portion of the ozone layer because women like "good looking" hairs.

[jdepps13]

@T0B0KKE You may not have heard, but new research has shown that this probably never was true and was just another overhyped bunch of malarky.

[T0B0KKE]

@jdepps13 This what? Cosmic rays->clounds-> global warming?

CERN CLOUD project (candidate for a nobel prize) is pointing out the contrary: that infact there is a corelation between clouds and cosmic rays. But to what extent that is correlated to the recent warming? And also correlation does not imply causation, that's a rule of thumb I like to always keep in mind.

[blackadderthe4]

@T0B0KKE

'that infact there is a corelation between clouds and cosmic rays' but it has no effect on GW!

watch?v=y-B8m2VJ4Ho

[T0B0KKE]

@blackadderthe4 Don't point out that to me. Link that to mr. "jdepps13" above me because he is the denier, not me.

[DrBerninski]

also:

watch?v=_Sf_UIQYc20

[DrBerninski]

Of course cosmic rays can seed clouds and clouds can affect climate. But how could this be the reason for the current accelerated climate change? Did this change happen at coincidentally the same time that humans have drastically changed the atmosphere?

"For some reason, no scientific journal wanted to publish this."

Blaming closed-mindedness in mainstream science is a cheap way of avoiding the straightforward reason. (And gaining support via YouTube.)

watch?v=LAtD9aZYXAs

[alienspacecentereast]

Cool, you made a documentary about this, thumbs up, I will share this to billions :)

[Rockyspoon09]

After investigating how the terrestrial temperature dataset for the world has been "homogenized" for the Urban Heat Island (UHI) effect, I no longer give much credibility to the numbers put out by the CRU of UEA. They have "lost" all their original data and also refuse to demonstrate how they have come to their interpretations of the lost raw data. A scientist without his data isn't a scientist. So I don't believe their "hockey stick" temperatures.

[bbbleaver]

@min 6:13 the graph only goes to 1985 ... where are the missing 25 years?

 i've seen charts to date that veer dramatically after that time and this theory of solar activity and global temps do not correlate and the massive deviation cannot be explained...

[onemoreterm]

Stick with this to the end ... it's mighty!

[ActiveStorage]

anyone interested in any alternative points of view google electric universe. or plasma cosmology

[dave135]

english version?

[magnusea]

Here's an English version:

vimeo (DOT) com/8281048

If you're a teacher or wants to show the movie in TV/movie quality, please visit the movie's homepage and bye a DVD:

thecloudmystery (DOT) com

[cumulus0007]

read the subs

[peteyOZ]

Its predominately english, just watch the whole thing! The movie has subtitles for the english and non english parts right the way through.

[Blogengezer]

Be sure and invest the time in the entire 52 minutes, all 6 parts. The 4th and 5th start to bring in the geologists and astronomy scientists. What an educational post. Too bad it will never be shown in any school system. The aspect of Control over earth's total humanity is threatened by Svensmark.

[Balgorg]

Its impossible for me to comment on the science, but I liked the film. Hope they have some luck and some funding to continue their research. Does this mean that the 10 year cooling trend we are having is because there is more cloud cover? and will the cooling continue? and predictions?

[shartne]

Well there you have the it. Its the real truth right before your eyes.

[Blogengezer]

Research Kleiner-Perkins thoroughly. Notice the names of the players. Take careful note of their names (hint Al Gore). Note their Agenda and time proven methods. "You can Fleece a sheep many times, but you may only Skin it once" Would you rather be Fleeced or Skinned?

Assuming You are Sheep of course.

[knowur10sand18s]

earth has always been in a constant but gradual climate change,warmer and colder at points from 1000-1400ad there was a gradual warming trend 1400-1800ad a gradual cooling trend and 1800-today a gradual warming trend again,the solar winds are responsible and if you need evidence of that Mars jupiters moons and saturns rings are also melting.

[Eredora]

No human being has made it to the Moon as of today. Is there any image that pops on your head when they say "a man on the Moon", 1969? So are you basing it on that alone? you've been fooled!

[Rockyspoon09]

As a long-time geologist, I can say this presentation answers many of the questions about earth's climate variations none of my professors could answer. I think this idea is starting to take hold in the scientific community; as a geologist I think it has merit.

[ktmcmc]

May be he is righ, may be he is wrong, may be both "camps" are partly right. Some one should take this guys results and peer review them and publish so that the data is out there.

They do not because "thats not how its done old boy". Reminds me of the Australian Doctor who proved Peptic Ulcers were caused by a particular bacteria. He had to give himself one to prove it as no one would take him seriously.

[abtnancy]

When we look at how awesome our universe is and it's mysteries, it is the epitome of arrogance to even suggest that man causes global warming with our light blubs and SUV's. I'm glad the truth is finally coming out.

[peteyOZ]

Especially considering the sun is the only thing that is warm(hot) and without it u wouldnt be finding much warmth ANYWHERE! Talk about the wool being pulled over our eyes. It couldnt be more obvious that the sun has a warming effect on the world, the clouds having the regulating effect(like a blanket -off when its hot, on when its cold)

[dontbugmenow]

When a theory "works" on both 100 million year historical scale AND recent decadal scale (with contemporaneous, measured and NOT inferred data) at the same time - this is POWERFUL evidence that the theory is robust and correct. The power of H2O and cloud cover (via cosmic-ray flux as "catalyst") providing an "iris" effect directly changing the surface warmth, hugely more important than trace-level CO2 which supposedly results in a slight mid-level troposphere warming (NOT surface warming).

[dontbugmenow]

Especially when they go from showing the epochal correlations over 100s of millions of years, to the correlation between cosmic ray flux and ocean temperature over the last 40-50 years (next to last section I believe). AS OPPOSED TO TREE RING DATA which had to be conveniently discarded when over this same recent period since 1961, the ring data DIVERGES from the temperature record --- during this same time frame the cosmic ray flux and the ocean temperature tracks VERY nicely.

[dontbugmenow]

Just say all six parts. I have only a BS degree in Physics and not an advanced degree. Also have been an astronomy / cosmology enthusiast my entire life (built my first telescope from a kit in the third grade). Having worked in product / applications development, process / manufacturing engineering and formal R&D most of my career, the arguments, investigations, concepts and finally elucidation of the mechanisms of this theory are profoundly powerful and pursuasive.

[kurthanson2005]

If, as Al Gore claims, the earth has a "fever", what then is its optimum - non-fever temperature?

He has never been able to come up with a figure.

[searcher619]

The fever broke after 1998.

[kurthanson2005]

Maybe the earth can take two aspirin and call the doctor in the morning.

[styleomatic]

@kurthanson2005 excellent point!

[kurthanson2005]

Thanks!

[joesixpack31]

I see where the two "aging" bimbo's Pelosi and H. Clinton showed up at Copenhagen. Anyone know how they got there?? Did some air force flight crew have to endure their arrogance by being ordered to fly them over. If you're the flight crew, magine the struggle it would be to resist the temptation to throw them overboard in mid-atlantic. And think of the boost to the nations morale.

[frogsheath1]

LOL.  Thanks for the laugh.

[Pankakeface2]

we're lucky to live on this planet... Everything that occurs climate wise fluctuates, and the results of any change in climate usually act in such a ways as to return the climate to its former status.

Michael Crichton is one of many to point this out.

[Rockyspoon09]

As a geologist (BS and MS) I can tell you that dust found in the Antarctic ice cores were much higher during glacial epochs rather than the warmer interglacials (like now) because the cold spawned much more desert area than a warm climate would. This means that with additional CO2 and natural warming, more rain would fall and plants would grow much better. Already the earth has seen a 25% increase in vegetation in the past 30 years and a 12% increase in foodstuff production worldwide.

[mickeyqbitsko]

You mean the sun affects climate? NO WAY!

It's amazing that such an obvious idea is ridiculed by the Warmist cult.

[RtE1990]

Gee, where is Fat Ass Gore? Oh, nevermind. He is at the bank depositing a few more millions rec'd from his AGW scam that only the buffoons believe.

Lying-assed liberal. All liberals are liars. They HAVE to be to survive.

[Cunelito]

maybe it doesn't drieve the climate, but it's still a major contributor, no question about it

@searcher619

one explenation could be that gases also reflect solare radiation

gonna watch the rest now, this certanly got my attention

[searcher619]

CO2 does not reflect light. It is a colorless gas. Cloud cover is what reflects solar radiation.

[Cunelito]

u should take more thime with input instead of output, ur wrong about a lot of things

anyways

I never mentioned CO2

[searcher619]

You have any scientific studies to support your claims? Any at all? If so then pelase share. The reflective and insulating effects of cloud cover are observed by everyone the world over. Clear summer nights are cooler than overcast nights. Clouds have a big hand in regulating our globa temperature.

[Cunelito]

You have any scientific studies to support your claims?

-lol, u serious??

The reflective and insulating effects of cloud cover are observed by everyone the world over. Clear summer nights are cooler than overcast nights. Clouds have a big hand in regulating our globa temperature.

-ofcourse

[ekstragrim]

Watch "Is global warming man made or sun made?" Here these phenomenons are explained. The clouds insulate the Earth, but their ability to reflect sunlight are much more important.

[marktimmer2212]

it s excellent, how is Henrik Svensmarks condition ? do you know?

[Krackonis]

This gentleman should read up on Plasma Cosmology and EU theory. It would help explain why and how the sun alters its power output. It seems this global warming thing is cyclic depending on solar output following over 400 years of observation. There are patterns that have long long frequencies.22 year sunspot cycle, a longer 'mini-ice-age cycle and these are all running overtop one another. The effects of these cycles directly affect our input over any atmospheric condition.

[TRUMPHENT]

2007, Arctic sea ice miminum sets record low. 2008, sets near record low.

Carlin is not a climate or any other sort of scientist. He merely copied and pasted a bunch of junk from well known denialist websites. He never conducted, published peer reviewed climate science.

CO2 is the powerful greenhouse gas it is made out to be. Check in with Svante Arrhenius, NASA/GISS for verification.

July 2009, NOAA reports as the warmest ocean global temperatures on record.

[Capnwabbit]

Climategate! You's BUSTED!

[TRUMPHENT]

Svensmark is having difficulty getting published in peer reviewed journals. This video ignores the fact that CO2 and other gases do have quantifiable radiative forcings. Svante Arrhenius proved it in 1896.

CO2 thoroughly mixes in the troposphere. It never precipitates out. It steadily increases and remains in the atmosphere for hundreds of years. Svensmark's theory does not replace anthropogenic global warming.

[searcher619]

Wrong. EXPERTS in geology, oceanography, and climatology have known for a while now that CO2 does not drive climate chage. Do a search here on youtube forThe Science Behind The Theory That CO2 Does Not Drive Climate Change. You will find 2 clips that explain this fact to you pretty well. You can pretend this isn't true but it certainly is.

[TRUMPHENT]

You never heard Milankovitch. He discovered eccentricities in earth's orbit and spin. These are now thought to be the initiators of ice ages and inter-glacials. Cold water stores a lot of CO2. When it warms up, it releases the gas to the atmosphere. Now, you have the radiative forcing of CO2 adding to the orbit/spin eccentricity.

This is why until the industrial revolution, CO2 was usually behind temperature increases. This time, its different.

[searcher619]

Variations in the Eearth's tilt as well as orbit would most definately have an impact on our climate. Our seasons do not coem from our position in our orbit. what gives us our 4 seasons is the tilt of our planet. Our planet has a slight "wobble" thanks to the moon's stabalizing effect. w/o the moon our climate would shift like crazy making human survival impossible.

[TRUMPHENT]

Yeah, shine on you old crazy moon!. That really accounts for earth orbit oscillating between an elipse and near circular orbit.

You may also want to zombie walk over to JPL's website and look at what AIRS found. It sounds like scientists tapped into data that AIRS was going to collect anyway.

It rambles on how CO2 has an amplifying effect on water vapor.

JPL is NASA. You remember NASA, it put men on the moon.

If you had a brain, the donor/recipient agreement has been exercised.

[Cunelito]

@searcher619

yeah ofc

co2 has nothing to do with it....sigh

where do this morons keep comming from

[Stringprodigy]

@searcher619 peer reviewed sources please. Youtube is not a viable place to get an education in science.

[searcher619]

@Stringprodigy :

Get off your lazy butt and look for them yourself. they are out there. Not to mention the fact that the researcher this documentary is about has a paper which is peer reviewed. I find it funny that people like you will never try to attack the science but demand "peer reviewed" sources knowing full well they can find those by themselves.

[Stringprodigy]

@searcher619 no, YOU have the burden of proof since you are the one making the claim.I find it funny that people like you make a ton of unsubstantiated assertions and back it up with "well it says it in this Youtube video, so it's true!!!! Nanner nanner". It's not my problem that you can't provide any credible evidence for your position. Dumbass.

[searcher619]

@Stringprodigy :

How old are you 12? LOL!!!

[Stringprodigy]

@searcher619 nice cop out. Thanks for revealing your intellectual ineptitude with this evasive ad hominem attack. ;)

[Stringprodigy]

@searcher619 "You have any scientific studies to support your claims? Any at all? If so then pelase share."

Get off your lazy butt and look for them yourself. ;)

[TheGamanic]

@searcher619 That's why 99% of climatologists believe that man is mostly behind climate change?

[searcher619]

Please explain to us why the past 8 YEARS global temps have been dropping not climbing even though CO2 levels have been steadily on the rise. Yes the globe stopped warming approx 9 years ago. This fact demonstrates CO2 is not the driver of climate change you seem so hell bent on believing. Even the EPA's study which politicians and bureaucrats tried to supress found this to be the case. Face is CO2 is not the powerful greenhouse gas alarmists want us to believe it is.

[mickeyqbitsko]

More than that: CO2 levels during the last major ice age were as much as ten times HIGHER than they are today. Why? Simple: Ice Age means less vegetation cover, which means more carbon in the atmosphere. Plants are made of atmospheric carbon.

[Jansmaaa]

Now what can we do to convince the rest of the world that we are not the problem?

[odyssey5555]

Beats me, as well...!

[AntiLieGuy]

Global warming is a lie they use as an excuse to constantly spray chemtrails on us and explain the worsening weather. The cause of the weather is our 10th planet nibiru and the chemtrails are to hide it. watch your skies.

This is the sign in the heavens that preceeds the war of Armageddon which will see Russia and the SCO destroy America on 10-10-09.

All the news and details are in this doc:

(3w) . docstoc . com/docs/6519605/WarNews

[searcher619]

No. Globla warming was a fact until 1998 just as global cooling is now a fact. Only the ignorant deny that our climate warms and cools.  The debate is over what is driving it.

[flomasterlo]

scientific.. i like it

[sabretoothed99]

Al Gore will be in big trouble when he watches this!

[RammuDK]

Al Gore is not going to watch this. He's deaf to any voice that goes against his religion.

[searcher619]

Well it's more like he is deaf to anything that may prevent him form profiting form scareing the ignorant with falsified scientific data.

[JonThm]

The world started cooling in 2005.

[elbuggo]

Thank you ekstragrim. Would you create a Playlist too?