@AMpufnstuf if u don't train Aikido or some other japanese martial art please don't leave coment on martial art's demos on youtube.you realy don't know what u are actualy saying.
@GokiGandalf if you're not really gandalf than fuck off and don't ever give an opinion on balrogs or spells again. Hope you see my logic here. Thanks.
If you keep your distance you can tell in time. If his shoulders pivot, you know its going to be from the back hand.
I am oversimplifying this a bit, and this is only one example, but I am sure you understand were I am going with this- you don't watch just the fist, but the total body movement.
i think if he could of done that to van damme, he wouldn't of ran away. but reality and aikido are 2 different things NOT when your bragging at a party you can beat anyone up BUT when the TIME comes to do it. =D
Ok fair enough but that is more close line than enter (irimi) throw (nage).
Although he does do that, but from what I see there is not much balance taken in the head yes he does touch his back but that's immaterial with a man that size wopping you in the neck. I don't mean to offend it is merely my observation.
Can anyone please explain how Sensei Seagal executes this direct formm of irimi nage? What is the most important thing to execute it this way? Time? Hand work and its position toward uke? Keeping or avoiding the line of the attack? This looks very effective and fast execution of this techniques. Thank you very much..
One thing to keep in mind is the crappy video quality. It's a typical Irimi Nage "quick style", without the pivot. The execution comes off like Tenchi nage.
@unikad do iriminage as normal with uke attacking as deeply as possible. Forget the tenkan thath you're used to but time the irimi as their head starts to move forward as you would at the end of the tenkan. Your handblades, timing and depth need to be spot on .... it's a tricky technique to get
@unikad your avoidance has to be so small that the attack will nearly hit you so it takes a LOT of practice.
Final movement should be exactly the same as your forward rolling breakfall with the fingers pointing down. Far too much to explain like this. The best way to learn is to break it down yourself and find a way that suits you without diverting from your basics
Oh and cage fighting matters because if you want to be able to depend on your techniques you need to actually practice them against unwilling partners! you keep ignoring this MASSIVE truth. Sparring/rolling is IMPORTANT. Watch all the youtube videos you like, but viewing and doing are two different things.
@jakesilv " you need to actually practice them against unwilling partners! you keep ignoring this MASSIVE truth."
Except for the fact that you do practice against unwilling partners in an Aikido class. Proving that you don't know what you're talking about. A partner will attack, and resist with full force, once the Ukemi is up to snuff. It's simply not competitive, which isn't a necessity. They do it out of a sense of partnership, instead of a need to compete and stroke their ego.
@jakesilv " Watch all the youtube videos you like, but viewing and doing are two different things."
Which is why you posted an ignorant comment about something you don't understand. You saw some videos, maybe a few Seagal movies, and you think you know what you are seeing. Take your own advice, and take a class! Then come back and comment.
@pimpdalyrical " Take your own advice, and take a class! Then come back and comment." Hey dipshit, I have taken Aikido classes. I've taken all sorts of different MA classes and studied several different MA's over the past 20 years. I've been to the school you mentioned over on Broadway. Nice to see you still cannot address any of the points I've made. Aren't you tired of being humiliated yet? I know you're getting frustrated, all you do is call names and talk about dick.
@pimpdalyrical - Cage fighting, and Vale Tudo, are important to MA because they provide an arena in which techniques can be tested live. The idea that MMA fighters don't know how to defend against an eye gouge is ridiculous. They are just as capable of dirty fighting as anyone else, its just they know their MA styles can be counted on IN ADDITION to dirty fighting techniques that may be used outside of a ring. You really have no argument here.
But according to your logic, unless those "dirty" street fight techniques are never "tested" through brutal competition, they will be unable to use them effectively. What I'm getting at is, your whole concept that effective technique can be "battle hardened" in a cage fight is wrong. The most effective, devastating techniques can't be practiced fully in training, and are banned by the rules in sport fighting. Thus, your entire premise is wrong.
@pimpdalyrical - "your whole concept that effective technique can be "battle hardened" in a cage fight is wrong." You're just being silly. How do you know something works, unless you test it out? The logic I'm using is the same logic that applies in may different areas. Why do car manufacturers crash test their cars? Why do drug manufacturers test their medications? You honestly believe that things don't need to be tested in order to ensure that they'll work?
Oh and cage fighting matters because if you want to be able to depend on your techniques you need to actually practice them against unwilling partners! you keep ignoring this MASSIVE truth. Sparring/rolling is IMPORTANT. Watch all the youtube videos you like, but viewing and doing are two different things.
@panderetoir - That's very true. I still think boxing, Judo, BJJ, or Muay Thai would be a better choice for most people interested in learning self defense than Aikido. I do feel that a world class athlete, like Randy Couture or GSP, could pull of many Aikido techniques against a weaker, slower, less skilled individual, drunk, or small child.
"Wait you went house to house in Baghdad using only your Aikido skills?"
Where the hell did you get that from? I was a Marine, and no, we didn't train in lay on the ground fighting. There was some jiujitsu. The ancient japanese part of BJJ. We never sparred either.
An ex-cop in my class taught me some weapon retention skills he got from an Aikido clinic the police sent him to. They worked, so I started Aikido when I got out. Not once, did I face anything that looked like a sport fight.
@pimpdalyrical You have any proof that you served in Iraq because I think you are full of shit. I have friends who really did serve in the Marine Corp, who really were deployed to Iraq. You suggested that I would use only BJJ in a war zone, why then wouldn't you use only Aikido? You seem to think Aikido is perfect for facing attackers using weapons, why would you need a weapon? Earlier you claimed to patrol the streets with a knife and a gang. Where do you live? I'll find you a BJJ school.
@jakesilv "You suggested that I would use only BJJ in a war zone, why then wouldn't you use only Aikido?"
No I didn't, I'm just pointing out what sport MA training lacks with a personal example. You shouldn't use only BJJ for anything, nor should Aikido be the only tool in your box. Never said that. MA is not intended that way. Hence MMA.
@pimpdalyrical - YOu asked me if I would go door to door with my BJJ- You claim to be able to face multiple, armed attackers with your Aikido, why would you need a weapon? You are a weapon! I presented plenty of evidence, from historical to modern day combat goups like the Marines- you've decided to ignore it. You time and again misrepresent my opinion because you can't argue with what's actually going on.
I said I went house to house, and never saw anything where sport BJJ would have been useful.
I can defend myself from multiple attackers. Unless I make a mistake, or panic a little, in which case I have other options. It would be stupid not to. Again I ask, is BJJ all you need?
You provided NO evidence from the Marines, except a false concept of the training, you claim you got from a "friend."
Ah, mor lay-on-the ground fighters who think a preset one on one fight at a specific time, with a referee is anything like real life.
Aikido works, I have used it. It's meant to keep you alive, not win a sport.
To all the know nothing childish dipshits out there who just want to hit stuff and get bloody, your arts are middle school. Aikido is college. Grow up, and get over your inefficient manhood.
@pimpdalyrical I agree pimp, but some people can't tell the difference. Some also find it very hard to fathom the teaching method of aikido. They tend to train monkey see monkey do.
Yeah, they would rather spend their time mock fighting each other in pads and playing tag, instead of making sure their muscle memory includes proper technique.
I was a marine. I saw combat. Hand to Hand. Millions of years of evolution gave us the most complicated, useful biological tool at the end of each arm. All they want to do with it is club people. Isn't MMA proof that no one ideology of fighting is right 100%?
@pimpdalyrical ah mr pimp, finally someone who makes sense.
I find it amazing that most MMA practitioners, not people who mix their martial arts but mainly BJJ guys, don't seem interested in getting a great technique that is useful in a real environment, just one that hurts enough to make someone tap.
@jakesilv You only heard about that because he lost. If he'd have won Gene would've kept his mouth shut.
one man lost one fight that detracts from the art?. If that was the case every martial art would be shit wouldn't it. I tudy aikido and have sdly had to us akido techniques in a real scrap, worked for me. Not so much for the guy wit a broken jaw and his mate with his busted elbow. the only guy I know of who hasn't lost a 'profssional' fight is Benny Urquidez.
@aikifan77 That doesn't make kickboxing unbeatable. Bruce Lee lost fights, Royce and Renzo Gracie lost fights. It's fucking irrelevnt. I've lost fights, both in the ring and out.
Willing partners, not oponents, make learnin aikdo possible, once a person starts fighting against aikido then it becomes dangerous. trust me on this.
@aikifan77 - Like I said before- Aikido looks great and totally works on willing partners. For real self defense against people out to actually do you harm you're better off with any number of other arts/defense styles. Your fairy tales about broken bones don't frighten me and frankly I do not believe them. If you have proof, message me and I'll be happy to take a look.
@jakesilv what kind of gay response is that. I wont deny that learning more than one art is beneficial, just so long as you learn each art well. What do you study? BJJ by any chance? If I wanted to learn blowjob jutsu that's wht I would've learned. The point is that only the thickest people fail to see how aikido techniques really work. They are the same techniques found in modern Ju-Jutsu you plonker, just with deeper balance breaks.
@aikifan77 - The techniques only work against slow, willing partners. Anyone who's been in a real fight should be able to recognize the ridiculous flaws in the "attackers" techniques. Judo is ten times the art that Aikido is, as is BJJ- if your art requires elaborate set up's and a slow, willing training partner in order to pull off a throw or strike then your art isn't practical for self defense. If you had even a basic understanding of boxing you would see the that.
@jakesilv Oh and do you think real martial artists walk around filming the mugging attempts made on them? The closest to proof you'll get is what I tell you Gyaku-gamae-ate (strike in opposite posture, looked like a muay thai elbow) on the attacker, his buddy went down with a Mya-otoshi (Forward drop aka hiji-ate, elbow strike which means i struck his fucking elbow) Not exactly the stuff of fairy tales, but it works.
@aikifan77 - LMFAO! Where did this all go down? Your imagination? Narnia? Pardon me if I don't believe your internet fight story, compete stranger. I live in Denver, Co. I'd be happy to meet you in real life and you can show me your moves- "plonker" LOL
@jakesilv It's not your fault I guess. You don't appear to have the thought processes that help you distinguish between learning a technique in a safe environment so that you can turn the big movements into smaller more practical movements and actually having a tear up. The 'attacker' isn't supposed to be fighting, he is lending his body and movement in a safe manner so that he can still use depth in his attack with fucking up the Tori. It's just a method of safe practice.
@jakesilv Believe what you like, it's up to you, but if you don't like the clips on youtube don't fucking watch them. You have to actually choose to watch a youtube clip, click the little thumbnail, turn towards the screen, keep the eyes open. Why go through all that just to be some gay-arsed troll with a superiority complex?
That either makes you very childish, very stupid or a complete cretin who can't work the oh so difficult controls on youtube. Good day to you sir.
@aikifan77 Why can't I watch the clips and then post my opinion? You seem to be more interested in attacking me personally then you are in proving your point- that makes you the troll. You've been on here calling names and adding nothing to the conversation- go back and read the comments.
@jakesilv I've added to the conversation. My personal experience, my 10 years of training in this particular art, 20 years of training in other arts. You read the comments back, I started off quite amiably, you started with th personal attacks by calling me a liar. Yes look at clips,yes post your opinion but don't go getting all defensive when your opinion is shot down. You were trolling, plain and simple.
@aikifan77 - You're the one name calling, that's being a TROLL. Your so called "personal experiences" have no value because no one has any way of knowing whether you're speaking truth or just bullshitting. Sorry, but your tales of Aikido wizardry are not proof of anything- they only show that you can tell a story.
@jakesilv yet you originally called me a liar. I called you no names whatsoever, I did suggest things that might relate to you as an experienced judgement of you remrks. What's your experience? I'll let you know mine; 8 years tomiki aikido combined with aiki-jutsu. 10 years of Lau Garr kungfu, 6 years of boxing, 6 years of kickboxing, 8 years judo (traditional not sport) For 9 years plus I was a sergeant major (regimental) and had to teach unarmed combat.
@aikifan77 Actually you called me a plonker and said my responses were gay. You're not trolling huh? If you've trained boxing then you'd know how to punch properly and you'd know that properly thrown punches can't just be caught/grabbed/sidestepped with Aikido magic. You'd also know boxers don't "run at" people, arms extended, waiting to be caught and thrown. If I snap my hand back to protect myself after striking then you aren't grabbing me and doing aikido now are you?
@jakesilv a plonker is quite a friendly term where i come from, a jochular term.
Without proving the reality of aikido I wouldn't be able to explain it to you. The wrist grabs aren't done from punches, maybe if you were going for the elbow. As a boxer you'd know how vulnerable the elbow is and what a short distance it moves during a punch. Train in aiki and find out for yourself, don't just guess. .
@jakesilv however, you'll probably take that as bullshit .... what can i say, without slitting your throat you wouldn't believe me and even then you'd probably want a blow by blow. Sorry you find it so hard to believe people but that's your issue not mine.
@aikifan77 - Slitting my throat? You want to murder me because I think you're an internet tough guy? Look- Aikido looks like bullshit. The bottom line is this- Aikido isn't actually designed for self defense- Aikido isn't trained with a non-cooperative partner- These facts make for an art that looks cool but isn't a good choice for self defense.
@jakesilv The training you see is SAFE training, once you are safe enough you can start messing about with real punches and kicks. All the big stuff you see is to teach principles in a safe environment
As for the throat slitting, i didn't say i wanted to, read it again. It's in reference to aikido knife work. Oh and aikido is trained with non-co-operative opponents, check randori competitions.
@aikifan77 - I've done a lot of research on Aikido and in fact Aikido is not meant to be used for self defense. Aikido doesn't work in real situations and it was never intended to. Haven't you and I discussed this truth already? Why must you keep pretending? Aikido, REAL AIKIDO, doesn't have any kicks and punches- no Atemi.
@jakesilv no atemi?????? The first 5 techniques in the randori-noh-kata are atemi-waza. Shomen-atemi, gyaku-gamae-atemi, ai-gamae-atemi, geddan-atemi, ushiro-atemi. The philosophy in aikido is that everything is a circle, using that philosophy aikido begins with atemi and comes back to atemi over and over again. Until you have studies aikido in depth you know nothing about it.
@aikifan77 Google search "Aikido history black belt" & read the article on history of Aikido. "The main purpose of modern aikido is the development of a healthy mind and body. Aikido is not taught as a hand-to-hand combat method"...Uyeshiba's aikido is a highly weakened form of hand-to-hand combat. Aikido is essentially noncombative in nature. Further, the omission of atemi (strikes) from its techniques removes aikido from the category of practical hand-to-hand combat styles.
@jakesilv A google student. Hmm that makes a lot of sense. Aikido is and was always a martial art, admittedly it's a 'do' which means it's a purist form but it's still a martial art. Pre-war aikido was much more vicious and taught to japanese special forces, and still is, along with the tokyo riot police. I'll be the first to admit that aikidoka have lost their way but that doesn't dviate from aikido itself
@jakesilv as for the lack of atemi. Check the syllabus for tomiki aikido for your 1st grading. This is your atemi-waza. The idea behind it is that you learn it, go back to it and keep going back to it through your whole career. Why would a strikeless art do that with atemi-waza? Another big point about aikido is you're supposed to use your own brain, not your sensei's. You learn and develop so no 2 aikidoka should look the same.
@jakesilv a more important read would be 'The Dynamic Sphere'. Although there is a lot about philosophy, as it's about aikido the mind-set not aikido the techniques, it states that aikido is 98% atemi. I'm more willing to listen to an 8th dan who has studied all his life under Ueshiba himself than I am to some random article writer. You can't learn a martial art from google, but smacking that keyboard is a good fingr exercise.
@aikifan77 Yeah I guess people shouldn't use Google when they're looking for information huh... Is your book another group of people pretending Aikido is really for self defense? It is still a matter of fact that Ueshiba did not create Aikido as an art to be used for self defense. Keep on pretending you can kick ass in the real world because you can toss around a compliant training partner.
@aikifan77 - Unlike you, I've studied martial arts designed to be used for self defense- designed to be effective against opponents who don't hold out there arms in front of them and run at me- That experience is why I can see Aikido for what it is- A pretty dance. Keep drinking that Aikido kool aid. Maybe you should take it one step further and go study some George Dillman no touch knock out stuff?
@jakesilv I find it hard to believe that you've studied any form of martial art, let alone self defence. If you can't spot the difference between destruction testing and practicing a technique in a safe fashion I'm finding it hard to believe you've ever studied anything.
Kepp your ill informed opinions to yourself, all you seem to know of martial arts is what you see on youtube and read in poorly researched articles. My lifetime of learning martial arts keeps me happy.
@aikifan77 - So when the truth fails you, you decide to attack me personally? Where do you live? Why don't you take yourself down to a BJJ gym and ask to spar with them so you can test your Aikido. I train BJJ and I've trained Judo, Boxing and Tang Soo Do. I love the martial arts and I HATE bullshit fakers, like AIkido kids claiming that Aikido is "real"- its just a pretty dance!
@jakesilv The only one of those that are actual martial arts is tang-soo-do. The others are combat sports. Go figure. By the way, your BJJ syllabus is based on and party written by professor kenji tomiki. As in tomiki aikido.
@aikifan77 - BJJ is absolutely a martial art, boxing can be considered a martial art as well, Judo too- not sure why you think MA don't involve sparring or combat training. "Martial arts or fighting arts are systems of codified practices and traditions of training for combat. " Search the definition yourself. You keep ignoring the point I'm making over and over again- AIkido is not designed for self defense. Aikidoka's don't train for combat, go roll with some BJJ guys and try your aikido.
@jakesilv How is making someone tap out part of true combat?
Of course real martial arts involve sparring, but sparring in aikido is dangerous and should be left until you are both EXTREMELY competent at ukemi.
BJJ was designed for use in competition, Judo is the competitive love child of jujutsu, boxing is the competitive form out pugilism. They are combat sports by definition. I'm ignoring your point because it's born from ignorance and I've tried to inform you.
@jakesilv Oh and for your information, I regularly spar with a couple of mixed martial artists (good ones) A guy who studies BJJ along with Judo and Goshin Jujutsu. A wrestler/muay thai boxer and 2 guys who are ex-forces. Sparring is just playtime, it's designed to teach you different ways in and out of different situations. IT'S NOT FIGHTING.
@aikifan77 - No, you are full of shit. Sparring/rolling ensures that a martial artist can execute his techniques against an unwilling opponent- it's how we know our moves work and we can use them if need be. A tap out in BJJ must be earned, it is not given like a uke gives himself over in Aikido. In BJJ you must be able to apply a submission hold to an opponent against his will, only when he has no other option does he tap out. If he doesn't tap- injury, unconscious.
"A tap out in BJJ must be earned, it is not given like a uke gives himself over in Aikido."
Another false conception garnered by only watching video of demo's. Is that not how you learn technique in BJJ? A good aikido partner is willing to resist and face the harsher consequence of giving a committed powerful attack. Thus, all the fall training.
@pimpdalyrical 9- Wait a second you and your idiot friend said that a Uke can't resist because if he does he will be injured. We learn how to perform a technique by studying it without resistance but we then practice it by ROLLING (sparring) with FULL RESISTANCE in order to make sure that we can actually execute the technique- that's the key difference between BJJ and AIkido. Don't pretend that Aikido and BJJ are even close to being on the same level. Aikido is for show, BJJ for combat.
@pimpdalyrical - Real fights often end up on the ground, knowing what to do on the ground is important. What's your Aikido going to do for you when I tackle you and choke you out?
My Aikido is going to keep you off of me. My knife and my friends are going to take care of you if you do manage to get me down. Oh wait, they don't plan on that in MMA. They're just training you for a sport. Besides, from the takedowns I have seen actually work, You'll do just as much damage to yourself on the way down on concrete.
@pimpdalyrical - So you need a gang and a knife to defend yourself from one person? Not very confident in your Aikido are you? Do you even train? Have you ever been in a fight? Where do you live? How old are you? I didn't day you don't have any guts, I said Aikido isn't meant for self defense so don't pretend otherwise. BJJ is much better for self defense, as it was designed to be used for fighting. MMA is just martial artists testing their techniques & skills, why you so threatened by it?
See, I don't take martial arts to be macho, or to compensate for being a pathetic man like some do. If you think all you need is your BJJ skills and you can defeat any threat in the real world, you're destined for early release from the gene pool.
Why doesn't your training have an answer for that? Multiple armed attackers! What's the problem? It's more common than a one on one fight! I never saw it going house to house in Baghdad!
@pimpdalyrical - Wait you went house to house in Baghdad using only your Aikido skills? If you're military, which I doubt, you would have trained some Judo and basic BJJ. I think your dishonesty is pathetic. Where did I say that BJJ is all you need to defeat ANY THREAT in the REAL world? Why are you making things up? I've asked you numerous questions about yourself since you like to play tough guy, why won't you answer any?
@jakesilv "Earlier you claimed to patrol the streets with a knife and a gang."
I never said that! Must be a product of all that loss of oxygen to the brain. You asked what I would do if you were choking me on the ground. I would cut you, or break a finger, and my friends would most likely be stomping the shit out of you. What would you do if a better BJJ fighter got you down? Give up? What if they want you dead?
@pimpdalyrical - So you don't carry a knife but if you were in a street fight you would cut me (with ki? with creative lies?) while your "friends" stomped me. Marines study and learn a system called MCMAP, which is a mash up of JJ, Judo and Karate, sadly no Aikido.
@pimpdalyrical - Interesting that you couldn't answer the questions I asked you about being a Marine and you were not familiar with MCMAP either... Maybe you shouldn't go around pretending to be someone you're not. I wanted to talk about Aikido but you wanted to get personal so let's do it. You claim to be a great debater yet all you've brought to this party is straw man arguments and lies.
What debate? You have an opinion, I have mine. Oh, did my conservatism offend your sensibilities in some way? Been choked out soo many times you turned liberal? What?
Your opinion of Aikido is uninformed and proven wrong by history. Knowing a few people who have been Marines doesn't mean you know shit about it, and jerking off to your favorite meathead doesn't make you a martial artist.
Did you notice there's no lay on the ground fighting in MCMAP?
@pimpdalyrical - I don't get choked out, when I'm caught in a choke I tap. There you go again showing you know nothing of which you speak. BJJ comes from JJ, and MCMAP includeds JJ, so yes, MCMAP does include ground fighting, arm bars, knee bars, chokes etc etc.. I was interested in Aikido after seeing a live demo, so I did a lot of research and found AIkido to be pretty lame.
" I don't get choked out, when I'm caught in a choke I tap."
What if you can't tap? I'm asking what in your sport centered training is focused on fights you can't lose? You think somebody who wants you dead so they can rape your wife and sell off your kids gives a shit if you tap?
Wow, you discovered Ne-waza. Congrats. Most think it's an original idea of the Gracies.
@pimpdalyrical - The Gracies spent many years proving BJJ to be a superior martial art for combat. BJJ and JJ techniques are used all over the world by military and police agencies who need a MA that they can rely on in real world situations. Steven Seagal on the other hand has made some entertaining action movies!
Okay, Jiujitsu and Aikido come from the same roots, which were proven in war. BJJ, was proven in a ring.
EVERYTHING changes when you're life is actually on the line. Hence, you can't answer a simple question about real life fights.
To be honest, you have proven to be just another meathead tard. So stay ignorant, Aikido could save your life, and I would rather you croak pulling some sport lunacy.
@pimpdalyrical - "COULD" is the key word here. A Unicorn "could" ride up and impale my enemies, if unicorns were real. If BJJ is as ineffective as you claim, then why do the Marines use techniques and training methods (rolling) found in BJJ? Why aren't the Marines watching "Above the Law", starring Steven Seagal? Do you see the gaping hole in your logic?
@pimpdalyrical - Your question about getting choked out is dumb. If you're already beaten and being choked and your attacked won't stop you'll pass out and if he doesn't release the hold you'll die. So I guess if I found myself being choked to death, and couldn't escape I would die. Wouldn't you? If you're AIkido failed you and I was choking you to death and you couldn't escape you would die too.
@pimpdalyrical If you search youtube for McMap you can see videos of actual Marines using JJ ground fighting techniques- the same techniques found in BJJ! OOPSIE... Looks like you got caught bullshitting again. I wonder why they aren't watching more Steven Seagal movies like you? I hope you've had a good time talking with me, I've had a blast exposing you to be nothing more than an ignorant liar.
You might want to do a little more research into Marine Corp training, and just how much MCMAP is required before they deploy you while there is a WAR GOING ON. They tend to stick with stuff you'll actually need in the field.
@pimpdalyrical - Yeah totally- in the two years before you were deployed there was just no time to train you in any MCMAP. I didn't need to google anything either, I called a friend of mine who served in the Marine Corp in Iraq and asked him how to expose your fraud. I train BJJ for fun and exercise.
Right, you "called a friend." Call them back, ask them what the requirements are for deployment. Ask him what his training focused on, if he spent the required 44 hours of MCMAP trainging before ground fighting became a focus. You don't have to "blackbelt" in MCMAP. Sheesh.
If you got me in a choke (pshh) I would stab you, or break your fingers. You apparently, would give up.
@pimpdalyrical - If you were caught in a BJJ choke you would be unable to stab me or break my fingers and if I were fighting for my life I wouldn't let a broken finger deter me. A proper blood choke, or "strangle" would put you out in seconds, you'd maybe have time to shit yourself like Seagal did when he spared with Gene Lebell. Oh and if you're using a weapon why can't I?
Yeah, and if you dove at me I could simply turn and bust you head on the concrete. So what? We could play rock-paper-scissors with martial art techniques all day. I know your fragile ego needs to think that there is such a thing as a dominant martial art, but it's not reality. If watching sport cage fights has taught us anything, its that.
"Oh and if you're using a weapon why can't I?"
No reason. You were the one assuming all you need is BJJ.
@pimpdalyrical - Whoa I never said that in a street fight I would only use tournament BJJ techniques, you made that part up- that's why I called you on using a straw man argument. Look it up. BJJ is more effective for combat than Aikido, tht was my point. I think the Marines have helped me hammer that point home with their MCMAP system. If Aikido were as effective as you claim it to be we would see it in MCMAP and in MMA because MMA is all about finding the most effective MA-
Well, that was the impression given when you chastised me for owning a knife. What was it you said, "not very confident in Aikido, I see?" Good to see you have changed your mind.
"BJJ is more effective for combat than Aikido."
You have nothing to back that up but a misunderstanding of the Marine Corps, and a sport record. Not to mention that BJJ is only more effective if the goal is to hurt each other. Not always the case.
@pimpdalyrical - I don't care if you own a knife. If Aikido is so good for self defense then why would you need a knife and a gang of friends in order to defend yourself in a street fight against someone who knows some BJJ? You're assuming a street fight is fight to the death- are most street fights to the death? Or are you saying that BJJ techniques are lethal and in order to counter that lethality you would need a knife? I'm steadily proving my point about BJJ- you're helping.
The possibility exists that someone could get by our training in the martial arts and kill us. Wow. I know. Mind boggling. BJJ doesn't make you a superhero, get over it.
I carry a small knife for many reasons. I would hate to blow a defensive technique and not have one when I need one. Should I bother training for fights that aren't to the death? Why? I don't feel the need to get into fights for any other reason, than I have to for survival. Aikido is just one of my tools.
@pimpdalyrical If your life is on the line why not have the best tool for the job, BJJ is a superior form of self defense when measured against Aikido, as is Judo, boxing and several other arts. If you don't spar/roll then how do you know your techniques will work for you when you need them? I prefer to have tools that I know I can depend on. Techniques in BJJ can be used only for self defense and with lethal force if you like- so your logic fails you there too
"f your life is on the line why not have the best tool for the job,"
I do, it's a combination of martial arts , including one focused on self defense in life or death situations, and small weaponry. BJJ is not a superior form of self defense. Nothing you have said, and no sport proves that. Nothing that ignores the concepts of multiple attackers and weapons the way current BJJ does is "superior" for self defense. It's effective in it's element, but you need more.
@pimpdalyrical - No, when I say best tool for the job I am specifically referring to your choice of Aikido as one of your tools. It has been my argument that BJJ is a superior art for self defense. No where have I claimed that you should only use BJJ, you keep making that up. You claim Aikido is superior to BJJ because you believe you can use Aikido to stop multiple attackers- this is a dangerous fantasy because real attackers would not behave like a uke.
@jakesilv "No where have I claimed that you should only use BJJ"
Yet, you chastised me twice for possibly bringing other things to the fight. Let me reverse your argument on you then. You say I shouldn't assume you WOULDN'T have knife on you. If BJJ is soo superior, why do you need a knife?
I CAN use Aikido to defend against multiple attackers. That's the focus. All you see is videos of guys being flipped over. Assuming you will never face more than one person, is the dangerous fantasy.
@pimpdalyrical -We also know that the Marine Corp feels that BJJ is effective and as such they added that tool to their tool box, rather than adding Aikido. You think you know better than the Marine Corp? See how I present facts while you speculate, present straw men and lie?
" Marine Corp feels that BJJ is effective and as such they added that tool to their tool box, rather than adding Aikido."
They picked up Ne waza, from JiuJitsu. Not BJJ. We didn't train with a set of rules, gloves, and a one on one fight on our mind. You're just seeing what you want to see. Plus, you have no facts. I was there, you have a make believe "friend." If you want a fact, here's a good one. BJJ is not the best martial art!!! Oh God, I offended you now, didn't I!!!
@pimpdalyrical -"They picked up Ne waza, from JiuJitsu. Not BJJ. We didn't train with a set of rules, gloves, and a one on one fight on our mind" The techniques in the MCMAP videos are the same techniques and training methods used in BJJ. Again, you are wrong due to your ignorance.
You don't know anybody that could beat Gene Lebell either. Not your BJJ instructors, and probably not anybody in the UFC. I don't see why losing to Gene Lebell is anything to feel bad about, or that it disproves the effectiveness of any martial art.
@pimpdalyrical - I dunno Gene is pushing 80. My instructor competes regularly and is nowhere near 80. I mention the incident because its an example of a high profile Aikido master going up against a much older Judo expert, with an hilarious result. Does the one event show Aikido as useless? No, but it's evidence that supports my opinion.
What I need to defend myself from you is dependent on you, not the art you practice. With your childish view of combat and martial arts, it's a safe bet you're not very experienced. My Aikido ability would probably be enough to make you ineffective. However, if I'm wrong, I have karate, Marine Corps training and a knife. Hopefully, you're not putting all your faith in one martial art because of some sport.
@pimpdalyrical And you would not need to ever physically defend yourself from me, unless I felt threatened by you, in which case you wouldn't be given a chance to defend yourself. I'd render you incapable of causing me harm and be done with you. You are entitled to your opinion but I am entitled to show you why your opinion is poorly thought out.
"You are entitled to your opinion but I am entitled to show you why your opinion is poorly thought out."
Well, for starters, this conversation started when I pointed out the flaws in your opinion of Aikido. If your intent is to point out flaws in mine, you're failing. I'm crticising your (apparent) ardent faith in your ability, just because it's BJJ you train in. You're attacking an entire art, with nothing to back up your claim.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but your claim was that Aikido is ineffective because it's not prominant in sport cage fighting. Here's the problem:
Sport fighting, is when two people are trying to hurt each other, at a preset time, with rules and a ref. Aikido, is for keeping ME from getting killed, against possibly multiple attackers, who are also possibly armed, NOT when it's convenient for me. There is no reason that WOULD be displayed in a sport fight!
@pimpdalyrical "Aikido is ineffective because it's not prominant in sport cage fighting." - You're close, if Aikido were effective it would be prominent in cage fighting. If Aikido techniques were really effective people would obviously make use of them- cage fighters, the Marine Corp, etc etc. You claim a cop showed you some Aikido (Seagal?) I train BJJ with Denver Cops. I showed you Marines training JJ techniques used in BJJ- the same techniques you'd see in MMA is you bothered to watch any.
@jakesilv " You're close, if Aikido were effective it would be prominent in cage fighting."
Ignorant. That statement would only be true if the goal of Aikido training, was cage fighting. Simple question, what can BJJ do for someone facing the very common real world challenge of multiple armed attackers? The answer is nothing, because sport, and reality, are vastly different.
Ask them to show you how they control people, and retain their weapon. Should look something like this:
watch?v=laIMejcJaFw
See, police don't have the luxury of knowing when they will be in a fight, or avoiding assault and excessive force charges. They're most likely learning BJJ, just to know what all those meatheads with t-shirts two sizes too small, and short man's disease are going to try on them.
@pimpdalyrical - That video looks cool but no, that's not how things usually go down in the field. They learn BJJ because in real life suspects who resist are taken to the ground, controlled and cuffed. I know a handful of Denver Cops and none of them study Aikido for take downs/hand cuffing. I also work with a former Marine MP and I asked him, he referenced MCMAP training, and said if someone is resisting him he puts his knee into their ass and basically falls down on top of them.
@pimpdalyrical You're constantly talking trash about those who study BJJ, yet you've shown through your ignorant comments that you don't known the first thing about BJJ, how it is trained, and why it is trained by so many. BJJ is popular because it works. It has been popular outside of the US for a very long time. BJJ is constantly evolving. BJJ is the art you claim Aikido to be, you're just too caught up in fantasy to see things clearly.
No, I talk trash about ignorant meatheads that think the pinnacle of martial art is clubbing people with your fists in a cage. BJJ's roots are the same as Aikido's. I don't have a problem with the art, just some of the numbskulls taking it. If BJJ were half what you think it is, these cage fighters wouldn't need to study Muay Thai as well. Get over yourself, there are worse people to get in a fight with than you.
@jakesilv "Get over yourself, there are worse people to get in a fight with than you", are you reading what I write because no where do I say that I am the worst person to get into a fight with. You continue to create statements on my behalf which either don't fit into what I'm saying or contradict my opinions completely. Since you can't address the points I'm making you instead invent points to argue against. Wonderful, and completely dishonest.
@pimpdalyrical - You're the numbnut/ignorant meathead. You've proven that you lack even a basic understanding of BJJ, JJ and I'm starting to doubt that you even study Aikido. Where do you train? It is true that BJJ and JJ are very similar, BJJ comes from JJ and no doubt Aikido shares a common ancestry as well, the difference here is how the arts have evolved. Aikido is basically Aikijujutsu, castrated & mixed with philosophy, while BJJ is JJ improved to be as effective as possible.
@pimpdalyrical - Oh and I'm not a "Jersey Shore meathead", I live in Denver, CO. Maybe you should check a map. MMA fighters study more than one MA in order to develop the most well rounded fight game possible. It is a matter of fact that there are many BJJ "only" fighters who have achieved world champion status in many "Vale Tudo" style organizations. No where have I said that BJJ has the best striking- that's another position you've invented.
You don't have to live in Jersey to be a douchebag. Your idea that BJJ "improved" Jiujitsu proves my point. UFC meatheads wouldn't last five seconds in the world that Aikijiujitsu, and JJ came from.
BJJ is all over this new spectator sport. The person who doesn't know what they are talking about here, is you! The simplest Aikido concept, mutliple attackers, shocked the hell out of you. You couldn't get your mind around it.
Visit 1592 South Broadway, in Denver. Get educated.
@pimpdalyrical - I'm from Denver, not New Jersey. The Jersey Shore is nowhere near Denver. Maybe your time would be better spent actually learning about BJJ and Aikido, rather than calling people names on youtube. BJJ is "all over" the UFC, and MMA, because it works. Aikido is absent from the scene because the techniques just can't be executed in the heat of the moment against attackers who don't play along. Maybe you should give up the childish name calling, you're terrible at it.
@pimpdalyrical Your comments show that you have an incorrect and infantile understanding of BJJ, JJ and the martial arts in general. BJJ is in fact JJ evolved just as said it was, please look it up. Don't presume to know what I think. You cannot read minds. Experience shows me that what you see in Aikido demo's isn't going to work in real life, I'm nowhere near "boggled" by Aikido. I am not naive enough to believe that Aikido turns you into a baddass able to defeat multiple armed attackers.
@jakesilv " Don't presume to know what I think. You cannot read minds."
I know all I need to know. You're probably about 5'8, or 5'9 thus having a small dick. You probably took wrestling or football to make up for it, bulking up to compensate. Now that you're out of school, you probably took some day-labor job requiring a dayglow vest and fortify your false bravado with classes on beating people up. No one will ever need to fear you. Aikido can nullify everything you have to fight with.
@pimpdalyrical - Your know it all attitude is whats preventing you from learning. We just gonna call each other names now? I know you, you're a 43 year old hungarian tranny who who works as a sandwich artist when not busy blowing the elderly. You've never actually taken any martial arts classes, instead you watch Seagal movies while choking yourself and ramming carrots up your ass.
I must have hit a nerve! Guess I was right. Look, I know and respect MMA, you're the one here who's Ego can't handle the fact that they don't make you the baddest dude on the planet. Any UFC fan knows all they need to about what you're studying. Aikido, is a fucking mystery to you, yet you have the gall to post an ignorant opinion of it. You don't even comprehend it's purpose. Stay ignorant.
@pimpdalyrical "I must have hit a nerve!"- no, that's my funny bone. You're the one who can't stay on topic and instead starts trying to attack me personally. That means you've lost the debate. No 3rd grade insult thrown my way can in any way prove anything you've tried to say about Aikido, you can attack the person all day, but the issues remains unaffected, look up logical fallacy. I comprehend Aikido, I just don't have faith in it like you do .
I do find it a little Ironic, that someone parroting the "My Kung Fu is better than your kung fu" diatribe from numerous martial artt BS flicks, would be givin me shit about Steven Seagal though.
@pimpdalyrical - Anyone can break a finger or use a knife- someone who knows BJJ just has more ways to injure you. Not sure why you think you could do whatever you want in a street situation and a BJJ fighter would be limited by some weird honor code. Maybe I'd kick you in the nuts, head but you, stab you and then arm bar you. If we're gonna play anything goes, why are you the only one free to do as you please? Again, you are showing that you are not capable of basic reasoning and logic.
"Maybe I'd kick you in the nuts, head but you, stab you and then arm bar you. If we're gonna play anything goes, why are you the only one free to do as you please?"
Exactly my point!! BJJ is a great art, but its being taught for SPORT, and not any of those things you mentioned! Aikido, as well as most martial arts, is taught with that idea in mind. So saying it's "ineffective"" just because we don't bother with sport, is credulous and ignorant.
@pimpdalyrical - Clicked your name and all I found was a creepy republican propaganda channel. There is a great BJJ school in Austin!
2919 Manchaca Suite. 210 Austin, TX 78704 (512)693-8258. Why don't you go take a free lesson? Ask them to roll. See how your Aikido works. If its as good as you say then you should have no problem against a sports enthusiast. And I do not believe you were in the Marine Corp, or that you served in Iraq. When did you serve in Iraq? What division were you with?
You can save you BJJ recommendation. I take martial arts to live a long, healthy life. Not end up with torn apart joints and brain bruising from years of sport fighting.
I joined after 9/11. Felt it was my duty, and the timing was right to find a new direction in life. Deployment was in 2003, at the start of Iraqi freedom, with the First Marine, expeditionary force. Beyond that, I'm not telling you shit about my personal life.
What, are you googling battles now? I was a rookie in Nasiriyah, took fire then stayed back. We cleared out safe houses in Baghdad during my second tour.
What's with the deflection? Can't back up your assertion that Aikido is somehow less effective than sport training?
@pimpdalyrical - MMA is superior to AIkido and provides a better arena for training because MMA styles are proven effective against opponents who not only resist attacks and techniques but attack as well. In order to be considered competent in the MMA arena a MA must be able to demonstrate the ability to actually execute techniques- AIkido lacks this key element. There is just no substitution for experience. Sparring/rolling is key to improving your ability to execute.
@pimpdalyrical - on and in BJJ we train not to land on our knees when we perform a takedown, that way we don't hurt ourselves when we take some clown to the ground and choke him out. We also train on several throws, chokes and joint locks that can be done while standing. You don't seem to know squat about BJJ- I train and I'm happy to help you remove your head from your ass.
I have no problem with Bjj. I have a problem with the meatheads who think they're the baddest thing in earth, when they're very far from it. Look, you train for a sport, period. BJJ is no more likely to save your life when you need it than any other martial art.
Aikido is for self defense. The MMA "defense" is to just absorb the hit, from what I can see. Not a smart tactic against weapons.
@pimpdalyrical BJJ isn't meant for sport, but is often used in MMA because it works. Instead of bs'ing on youtube why don't you do some research on Vale Tudo and the Gracie family. You posted before that you think BJJ take downs involve slamming your own knees into the ground and that proves you to be ignorant of the subject. Now you claim to be an Iraq war vet with urban combat Aikido experience. In MMA, you try not to get hit- you don't try to absorb, again, you are ignorant.
@pimpdalyrical and Krav Maga is far superior to Aikido when it comes to disarming an attacker using a weapon, but I would encourage you to try your Aikido on someone intent on stabbing you and see how that works out. Oh wait, you probably already used your Aikido to disarm and kill 7 Ninja's while you were serving in MI6. Seagals movies are make believe, btw.
Krav Maga uses many of the same techniques to take a weapon out of someone's hand as Aikido, the Marine Corps, and probably a hundred martial arts out there. What do you know, they were studying the human hand design!!! Shocking!
"I would encourage you to try your Aikido on someone intent on stabbing you and see how that works out."
I have. We train with TANTO all the time. I encourage YOU to try the same thing.
You know what, why don't you nut up and find a BJJ school near you. Ask to come and spar and see how your Aikido measures up? Where do you live? I'll find a gym for you and make the call. I highly doubt either of you have ever been in a real fight or sparred with anyone other than a complaint uke.
You know what, why don't you grow a pair and join the military if you're soo tough? I did. I have had my life threatened, and came out on top. You think you're ready for a fight you can't lose? I'll call a recruiter for you. A few tips: When your life is threatened, all you will have on your side is muscle memory, no coach or ref to guide you. And enemy combatants don't have rules.
Just as i suspected. Another MA fanboy compensating for a small manhood.
@pimpdalyrical WTF join the military? What for? That's a four year commitment you know. I guess I better go sign up because a stranger on the net told me to. You are a joke! Nothing else to say about Aikido so you say I better enlist? How does enlisting in the military prove anything you've claimed? You asking for a pic of my penis? Wow, you are one gay weirdo.
But I should go change my life to do cage fighting? Just to prove to some clown on Youtube that Aikido works?
The topic was having guts. Don't go thinking you have some just because you take a BJJ class, or that I don't because I take Aikido. That's childish and ignorant. The MMA nuts I have met all seem to have short man's disease. For one reason or another.
@jakesilv "Sparring/rolling ensures that a martial artist can execute his techniques against an unwilling opponent"
No it doesn't. Playfighting just teaches you how to deal with an opponent that's spending half their energy protecting themselves. There's a world of difference between that and the onslught brought on by someone acting out of hate, and a desire to kill. Cage fight all you want. You can still get owned by a mugger with a knife unless you train for it.
You couldn't be more wrong. It is definitely for self defense, much more so than any of the arts popularized in MMA.
Real life-and-death situations are not one on one, with no weapons and the ability to tap out if you're losing. Aikido is meant to save your life, not win a sport.
Try your ground fighting against multiple opponents, on concrete. See how long you last.
@pimpdalyrical - You couldn't be more wrong. It is a matter of fact that Aikido was not designed for actual self defense. BJJ on the other hand was designed for "vale tudo" (look it up) fighting. If I am surrounded in a street fight and get tackled to the concrete if I know BJJ I know how to get people off of me and get away. MMA is the closest sport we have to real combat. Aikido has no value because your techniques are not tested against uncooperative opponents.
"Aikido has no value because your techniques are not tested against uncooperative opponents"
Untrue. The techniques are tested against training partners, resisting for the good of helping you learn, and being able to use them. While at the same time learning to survive being on the receiving end.
"MMA is the closest sport we have to real combat."
That's not saying much. I've been to war. Your sport does not prepare you for that.
@jakesilv By the way. Th last thing I will say on this subject, due to not wanting to discuss something you CANNOT COMPREHEND. Martial art means WAR ART not fighting art. There is a difference.
You say I'm full of shit because I don't call it 'rolling'? I say you're full of shit because you seem to have learned the terminology and none of the philosophy. Rolling is ground sparring, my sparring involves every angle possible with 1 or more opponents.
@aikifan77 Look troll, I stated my opinion in that Aikido is not a good choice for someone looking to learn some self defense and then I presented evidence, such as Marine Corp training videos, to back up my opinion. You don't seem to understand the value of sparring/rolling and you don't seem to understand what rolling is. Training technique with a uke is great, but it is not sparing. Philosophy is great too, but in a fight I want techniques and training i can depend on, not eastern philosophy
@jakesilv I have come to the conclusion that you don't rad what I write.
Look at the techniques in aikido .....they're ju-jutsu techniques .... the aiki element is a different method of applying them, emphasis on breaking balance. The best way to learn balance breaking from a strike is with people running at you. Once you're ready the compliance is removed as is the running attack and real punching is introduced. Numbnut.
@aikifan77 - I do "rad" what you write. Do you "rad" what I write? Aikido and J do share a common ancestry but the two arts have evolved in radically different directions. You should study up on how Aikijujutsu techniques have changed since being incorporated into Aikido. Study up on training methods and you'll see that the training methods you're in favor of are outdated by about 60 years. If Aikido techniques were street effective we'd see them used by Police officers, Military, MMA etc etc.
tenchi nage this is were you just cut him down!
mickmacmagoogle 2 months ago
Looks like seagal overestimated his uke.
Anthonychua1982 4 months ago
Teeth? No teeth.
lsb6785 4 months ago
this is wrestling!! were is the circular form of aikido??
masterregister 8 months ago
how much did seagal pay that guy to let him beat him up? reminds me of his late night appearances in the 80s
AMpufnstuf 10 months ago
@AMpufnstuf if u don't train Aikido or some other japanese martial art please don't leave coment on martial art's demos on youtube.you realy don't know what u are actualy saying.
GokiGandalf 9 months ago
@GokiGandalf if you're not really gandalf than fuck off and don't ever give an opinion on balrogs or spells again. Hope you see my logic here. Thanks.
AMpufnstuf 9 months ago
I will kill Steven Seagal some day! He is the ultimate tool.
kevinchris 10 months ago
Segal is a PIMP, baby. Just ask his sex slaves.. *cough* I mean "personal assistants".
1EmergingCenter 11 months ago
How do you know in reality which arm the attacter is going to strike so that you can decide what technique to choose or which way to move?
unikad 1 year ago
@unikad
If you keep your distance you can tell in time. If his shoulders pivot, you know its going to be from the back hand.
I am oversimplifying this a bit, and this is only one example, but I am sure you understand were I am going with this- you don't watch just the fist, but the total body movement.
D313370r 1 year ago 3
omgawd you can hear the pop from the impact aaagh dam n iwoud hate it if that happened to me and besides fckn seagal is a MANMOUNTAIN
skreenk 1 year ago 2
i think if he could of done that to van damme, he wouldn't of ran away. but reality and aikido are 2 different things NOT when your bragging at a party you can beat anyone up BUT when the TIME comes to do it. =D
MartialExpert 1 year ago
Ok fair enough but that is more close line than enter (irimi) throw (nage).
Although he does do that, but from what I see there is not much balance taken in the head yes he does touch his back but that's immaterial with a man that size wopping you in the neck. I don't mean to offend it is merely my observation.
Also yes it is omote.
ijparky 1 year ago
ウエスタン・ラリアットｗ
MrAnshinkan 1 year ago
Can anyone please explain how Sensei Seagal executes this direct formm of irimi nage? What is the most important thing to execute it this way? Time? Hand work and its position toward uke? Keeping or avoiding the line of the attack? This looks very effective and fast execution of this techniques. Thank you very much..
unikad 1 year ago
@unikad
One thing to keep in mind is the crappy video quality. It's a typical Irimi Nage "quick style", without the pivot. The execution comes off like Tenchi nage.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@unikad do iriminage as normal with uke attacking as deeply as possible. Forget the tenkan thath you're used to but time the irimi as their head starts to move forward as you would at the end of the tenkan. Your handblades, timing and depth need to be spot on .... it's a tricky technique to get
aikifan77 1 year ago
@unikad your avoidance has to be so small that the attack will nearly hit you so it takes a LOT of practice.
Final movement should be exactly the same as your forward rolling breakfall with the fingers pointing down. Far too much to explain like this. The best way to learn is to break it down yourself and find a way that suits you without diverting from your basics
aikifan77 1 year ago
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sofianeu5d 1 year ago
Oh and cage fighting matters because if you want to be able to depend on your techniques you need to actually practice them against unwilling partners! you keep ignoring this MASSIVE truth. Sparring/rolling is IMPORTANT. Watch all the youtube videos you like, but viewing and doing are two different things.
jakesilv 1 year ago
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@jakesilv " you need to actually practice them against unwilling partners! you keep ignoring this MASSIVE truth."
Except for the fact that you do practice against unwilling partners in an Aikido class. Proving that you don't know what you're talking about. A partner will attack, and resist with full force, once the Ukemi is up to snuff. It's simply not competitive, which isn't a necessity. They do it out of a sense of partnership, instead of a need to compete and stroke their ego.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@jakesilv " Watch all the youtube videos you like, but viewing and doing are two different things."
Which is why you posted an ignorant comment about something you don't understand. You saw some videos, maybe a few Seagal movies, and you think you know what you are seeing. Take your own advice, and take a class! Then come back and comment.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
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@pimpdalyrical " Take your own advice, and take a class! Then come back and comment." Hey dipshit, I have taken Aikido classes. I've taken all sorts of different MA classes and studied several different MA's over the past 20 years. I've been to the school you mentioned over on Broadway. Nice to see you still cannot address any of the points I've made. Aren't you tired of being humiliated yet? I know you're getting frustrated, all you do is call names and talk about dick.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical - Cage fighting, and Vale Tudo, are important to MA because they provide an arena in which techniques can be tested live. The idea that MMA fighters don't know how to defend against an eye gouge is ridiculous. They are just as capable of dirty fighting as anyone else, its just they know their MA styles can be counted on IN ADDITION to dirty fighting techniques that may be used outside of a ring. You really have no argument here.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv
But according to your logic, unless those "dirty" street fight techniques are never "tested" through brutal competition, they will be unable to use them effectively. What I'm getting at is, your whole concept that effective technique can be "battle hardened" in a cage fight is wrong. The most effective, devastating techniques can't be practiced fully in training, and are banned by the rules in sport fighting. Thus, your entire premise is wrong.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
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@pimpdalyrical - "your whole concept that effective technique can be "battle hardened" in a cage fight is wrong." You're just being silly. How do you know something works, unless you test it out? The logic I'm using is the same logic that applies in may different areas. Why do car manufacturers crash test their cars? Why do drug manufacturers test their medications? You honestly believe that things don't need to be tested in order to ensure that they'll work?
jakesilv 1 year ago
Oh and cage fighting matters because if you want to be able to depend on your techniques you need to actually practice them against unwilling partners! you keep ignoring this MASSIVE truth. Sparring/rolling is IMPORTANT. Watch all the youtube videos you like, but viewing and doing are two different things.
jakesilv 1 year ago
blah-blah-blah-blah........it´s not the martial art it´s the martial artist...
panderetoir 1 year ago
@panderetoir - That's very true. I still think boxing, Judo, BJJ, or Muay Thai would be a better choice for most people interested in learning self defense than Aikido. I do feel that a world class athlete, like Randy Couture or GSP, could pull of many Aikido techniques against a weaker, slower, less skilled individual, drunk, or small child.
jakesilv 1 year ago
"Wait you went house to house in Baghdad using only your Aikido skills?"
Where the hell did you get that from? I was a Marine, and no, we didn't train in lay on the ground fighting. There was some jiujitsu. The ancient japanese part of BJJ. We never sparred either.
An ex-cop in my class taught me some weapon retention skills he got from an Aikido clinic the police sent him to. They worked, so I started Aikido when I got out. Not once, did I face anything that looked like a sport fight.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
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jakesilv 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical You have any proof that you served in Iraq because I think you are full of shit. I have friends who really did serve in the Marine Corp, who really were deployed to Iraq. You suggested that I would use only BJJ in a war zone, why then wouldn't you use only Aikido? You seem to think Aikido is perfect for facing attackers using weapons, why would you need a weapon? Earlier you claimed to patrol the streets with a knife and a gang. Where do you live? I'll find you a BJJ school.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv "You suggested that I would use only BJJ in a war zone, why then wouldn't you use only Aikido?"
No I didn't, I'm just pointing out what sport MA training lacks with a personal example. You shouldn't use only BJJ for anything, nor should Aikido be the only tool in your box. Never said that. MA is not intended that way. Hence MMA.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical - YOu asked me if I would go door to door with my BJJ- You claim to be able to face multiple, armed attackers with your Aikido, why would you need a weapon? You are a weapon! I presented plenty of evidence, from historical to modern day combat goups like the Marines- you've decided to ignore it. You time and again misrepresent my opinion because you can't argue with what's actually going on.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv
I said I went house to house, and never saw anything where sport BJJ would have been useful.
I can defend myself from multiple attackers. Unless I make a mistake, or panic a little, in which case I have other options. It would be stupid not to. Again I ask, is BJJ all you need?
You provided NO evidence from the Marines, except a false concept of the training, you claim you got from a "friend."
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
Ah, mor lay-on-the ground fighters who think a preset one on one fight at a specific time, with a referee is anything like real life.
Aikido works, I have used it. It's meant to keep you alive, not win a sport.
To all the know nothing childish dipshits out there who just want to hit stuff and get bloody, your arts are middle school. Aikido is college. Grow up, and get over your inefficient manhood.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical I agree pimp, but some people can't tell the difference. Some also find it very hard to fathom the teaching method of aikido. They tend to train monkey see monkey do.
aikifan77 1 year ago
@aikifan77
Yeah, they would rather spend their time mock fighting each other in pads and playing tag, instead of making sure their muscle memory includes proper technique.
I was a marine. I saw combat. Hand to Hand. Millions of years of evolution gave us the most complicated, useful biological tool at the end of each arm. All they want to do with it is club people. Isn't MMA proof that no one ideology of fighting is right 100%?
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical ah mr pimp, finally someone who makes sense.
I find it amazing that most MMA practitioners, not people who mix their martial arts but mainly BJJ guys, don't seem interested in getting a great technique that is useful in a real environment, just one that hurts enough to make someone tap.
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jakesilv 1 year ago
45º angle!!!
panderetoir 1 year ago
Seagal had one real fight that I know of, Gene Lebell choked him out and he shit his pants. Aikido only works in the movies and on willing partners.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv You only heard about that because he lost. If he'd have won Gene would've kept his mouth shut.
one man lost one fight that detracts from the art?. If that was the case every martial art would be shit wouldn't it. I tudy aikido and have sdly had to us akido techniques in a real scrap, worked for me. Not so much for the guy wit a broken jaw and his mate with his busted elbow. the only guy I know of who hasn't lost a 'profssional' fight is Benny Urquidez.
aikifan77 1 year ago
@aikifan77 That doesn't make kickboxing unbeatable. Bruce Lee lost fights, Royce and Renzo Gracie lost fights. It's fucking irrelevnt. I've lost fights, both in the ring and out.
Willing partners, not oponents, make learnin aikdo possible, once a person starts fighting against aikido then it becomes dangerous. trust me on this.
aikifan77 1 year ago
@aikifan77 - Like I said before- Aikido looks great and totally works on willing partners. For real self defense against people out to actually do you harm you're better off with any number of other arts/defense styles. Your fairy tales about broken bones don't frighten me and frankly I do not believe them. If you have proof, message me and I'll be happy to take a look.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv what kind of gay response is that. I wont deny that learning more than one art is beneficial, just so long as you learn each art well. What do you study? BJJ by any chance? If I wanted to learn blowjob jutsu that's wht I would've learned. The point is that only the thickest people fail to see how aikido techniques really work. They are the same techniques found in modern Ju-Jutsu you plonker, just with deeper balance breaks.
aikifan77 1 year ago
@aikifan77 - The techniques only work against slow, willing partners. Anyone who's been in a real fight should be able to recognize the ridiculous flaws in the "attackers" techniques. Judo is ten times the art that Aikido is, as is BJJ- if your art requires elaborate set up's and a slow, willing training partner in order to pull off a throw or strike then your art isn't practical for self defense. If you had even a basic understanding of boxing you would see the that.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv Oh and do you think real martial artists walk around filming the mugging attempts made on them? The closest to proof you'll get is what I tell you Gyaku-gamae-ate (strike in opposite posture, looked like a muay thai elbow) on the attacker, his buddy went down with a Mya-otoshi (Forward drop aka hiji-ate, elbow strike which means i struck his fucking elbow) Not exactly the stuff of fairy tales, but it works.
aikifan77 1 year ago
@aikifan77 - LMFAO! Where did this all go down? Your imagination? Narnia? Pardon me if I don't believe your internet fight story, compete stranger. I live in Denver, Co. I'd be happy to meet you in real life and you can show me your moves- "plonker" LOL
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv It's not your fault I guess. You don't appear to have the thought processes that help you distinguish between learning a technique in a safe environment so that you can turn the big movements into smaller more practical movements and actually having a tear up. The 'attacker' isn't supposed to be fighting, he is lending his body and movement in a safe manner so that he can still use depth in his attack with fucking up the Tori. It's just a method of safe practice.
aikifan77 1 year ago
@jakesilv Believe what you like, it's up to you, but if you don't like the clips on youtube don't fucking watch them. You have to actually choose to watch a youtube clip, click the little thumbnail, turn towards the screen, keep the eyes open. Why go through all that just to be some gay-arsed troll with a superiority complex?
That either makes you very childish, very stupid or a complete cretin who can't work the oh so difficult controls on youtube. Good day to you sir.
aikifan77 1 year ago
@aikifan77 Why can't I watch the clips and then post my opinion? You seem to be more interested in attacking me personally then you are in proving your point- that makes you the troll. You've been on here calling names and adding nothing to the conversation- go back and read the comments.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv I've added to the conversation. My personal experience, my 10 years of training in this particular art, 20 years of training in other arts. You read the comments back, I started off quite amiably, you started with th personal attacks by calling me a liar. Yes look at clips,yes post your opinion but don't go getting all defensive when your opinion is shot down. You were trolling, plain and simple.
aikifan77 1 year ago
@aikifan77 - You're the one name calling, that's being a TROLL. Your so called "personal experiences" have no value because no one has any way of knowing whether you're speaking truth or just bullshitting. Sorry, but your tales of Aikido wizardry are not proof of anything- they only show that you can tell a story.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv yet you originally called me a liar. I called you no names whatsoever, I did suggest things that might relate to you as an experienced judgement of you remrks. What's your experience? I'll let you know mine; 8 years tomiki aikido combined with aiki-jutsu. 10 years of Lau Garr kungfu, 6 years of boxing, 6 years of kickboxing, 8 years judo (traditional not sport) For 9 years plus I was a sergeant major (regimental) and had to teach unarmed combat.
aikifan77 1 year ago
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jakesilv 1 year ago
@aikifan77 Actually you called me a plonker and said my responses were gay. You're not trolling huh? If you've trained boxing then you'd know how to punch properly and you'd know that properly thrown punches can't just be caught/grabbed/sidestepped with Aikido magic. You'd also know boxers don't "run at" people, arms extended, waiting to be caught and thrown. If I snap my hand back to protect myself after striking then you aren't grabbing me and doing aikido now are you?
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv a plonker is quite a friendly term where i come from, a jochular term.
Without proving the reality of aikido I wouldn't be able to explain it to you. The wrist grabs aren't done from punches, maybe if you were going for the elbow. As a boxer you'd know how vulnerable the elbow is and what a short distance it moves during a punch. Train in aiki and find out for yourself, don't just guess. .
aikifan77 1 year ago
@jakesilv however, you'll probably take that as bullshit .... what can i say, without slitting your throat you wouldn't believe me and even then you'd probably want a blow by blow. Sorry you find it so hard to believe people but that's your issue not mine.
aikifan77 1 year ago
@aikifan77 - Slitting my throat? You want to murder me because I think you're an internet tough guy? Look- Aikido looks like bullshit. The bottom line is this- Aikido isn't actually designed for self defense- Aikido isn't trained with a non-cooperative partner- These facts make for an art that looks cool but isn't a good choice for self defense.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv The training you see is SAFE training, once you are safe enough you can start messing about with real punches and kicks. All the big stuff you see is to teach principles in a safe environment
As for the throat slitting, i didn't say i wanted to, read it again. It's in reference to aikido knife work. Oh and aikido is trained with non-co-operative opponents, check randori competitions.
aikifan77 1 year ago
@aikifan77 - I've done a lot of research on Aikido and in fact Aikido is not meant to be used for self defense. Aikido doesn't work in real situations and it was never intended to. Haven't you and I discussed this truth already? Why must you keep pretending? Aikido, REAL AIKIDO, doesn't have any kicks and punches- no Atemi.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv no atemi?????? The first 5 techniques in the randori-noh-kata are atemi-waza. Shomen-atemi, gyaku-gamae-atemi, ai-gamae-atemi, geddan-atemi, ushiro-atemi. The philosophy in aikido is that everything is a circle, using that philosophy aikido begins with atemi and comes back to atemi over and over again. Until you have studies aikido in depth you know nothing about it.
aikifan77 1 year ago
@aikifan77 Google search "Aikido history black belt" & read the article on history of Aikido. "The main purpose of modern aikido is the development of a healthy mind and body. Aikido is not taught as a hand-to-hand combat method"...Uyeshiba's aikido is a highly weakened form of hand-to-hand combat. Aikido is essentially noncombative in nature. Further, the omission of atemi (strikes) from its techniques removes aikido from the category of practical hand-to-hand combat styles.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv A google student. Hmm that makes a lot of sense. Aikido is and was always a martial art, admittedly it's a 'do' which means it's a purist form but it's still a martial art. Pre-war aikido was much more vicious and taught to japanese special forces, and still is, along with the tokyo riot police. I'll be the first to admit that aikidoka have lost their way but that doesn't dviate from aikido itself
aikifan77 1 year ago
@jakesilv as for the lack of atemi. Check the syllabus for tomiki aikido for your 1st grading. This is your atemi-waza. The idea behind it is that you learn it, go back to it and keep going back to it through your whole career. Why would a strikeless art do that with atemi-waza? Another big point about aikido is you're supposed to use your own brain, not your sensei's. You learn and develop so no 2 aikidoka should look the same.
aikifan77 1 year ago
@jakesilv a more important read would be 'The Dynamic Sphere'. Although there is a lot about philosophy, as it's about aikido the mind-set not aikido the techniques, it states that aikido is 98% atemi. I'm more willing to listen to an 8th dan who has studied all his life under Ueshiba himself than I am to some random article writer. You can't learn a martial art from google, but smacking that keyboard is a good fingr exercise.
aikifan77 1 year ago
@aikifan77 Yeah I guess people shouldn't use Google when they're looking for information huh... Is your book another group of people pretending Aikido is really for self defense? It is still a matter of fact that Ueshiba did not create Aikido as an art to be used for self defense. Keep on pretending you can kick ass in the real world because you can toss around a compliant training partner.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@aikifan77 - Unlike you, I've studied martial arts designed to be used for self defense- designed to be effective against opponents who don't hold out there arms in front of them and run at me- That experience is why I can see Aikido for what it is- A pretty dance. Keep drinking that Aikido kool aid. Maybe you should take it one step further and go study some George Dillman no touch knock out stuff?
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv I find it hard to believe that you've studied any form of martial art, let alone self defence. If you can't spot the difference between destruction testing and practicing a technique in a safe fashion I'm finding it hard to believe you've ever studied anything.
Kepp your ill informed opinions to yourself, all you seem to know of martial arts is what you see on youtube and read in poorly researched articles. My lifetime of learning martial arts keeps me happy.
aikifan77 1 year ago
@aikifan77 - So when the truth fails you, you decide to attack me personally? Where do you live? Why don't you take yourself down to a BJJ gym and ask to spar with them so you can test your Aikido. I train BJJ and I've trained Judo, Boxing and Tang Soo Do. I love the martial arts and I HATE bullshit fakers, like AIkido kids claiming that Aikido is "real"- its just a pretty dance!
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv The only one of those that are actual martial arts is tang-soo-do. The others are combat sports. Go figure. By the way, your BJJ syllabus is based on and party written by professor kenji tomiki. As in tomiki aikido.
aikifan77 1 year ago
@aikifan77 - BJJ is absolutely a martial art, boxing can be considered a martial art as well, Judo too- not sure why you think MA don't involve sparring or combat training. "Martial arts or fighting arts are systems of codified practices and traditions of training for combat. " Search the definition yourself. You keep ignoring the point I'm making over and over again- AIkido is not designed for self defense. Aikidoka's don't train for combat, go roll with some BJJ guys and try your aikido.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv How is making someone tap out part of true combat?
Of course real martial arts involve sparring, but sparring in aikido is dangerous and should be left until you are both EXTREMELY competent at ukemi.
BJJ was designed for use in competition, Judo is the competitive love child of jujutsu, boxing is the competitive form out pugilism. They are combat sports by definition. I'm ignoring your point because it's born from ignorance and I've tried to inform you.
aikifan77 1 year ago
@jakesilv Oh and for your information, I regularly spar with a couple of mixed martial artists (good ones) A guy who studies BJJ along with Judo and Goshin Jujutsu. A wrestler/muay thai boxer and 2 guys who are ex-forces. Sparring is just playtime, it's designed to teach you different ways in and out of different situations. IT'S NOT FIGHTING.
aikifan77 1 year ago
@aikifan77 - No, you are full of shit. Sparring/rolling ensures that a martial artist can execute his techniques against an unwilling opponent- it's how we know our moves work and we can use them if need be. A tap out in BJJ must be earned, it is not given like a uke gives himself over in Aikido. In BJJ you must be able to apply a submission hold to an opponent against his will, only when he has no other option does he tap out. If he doesn't tap- injury, unconscious.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv
"A tap out in BJJ must be earned, it is not given like a uke gives himself over in Aikido."
Another false conception garnered by only watching video of demo's. Is that not how you learn technique in BJJ? A good aikido partner is willing to resist and face the harsher consequence of giving a committed powerful attack. Thus, all the fall training.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical 9- Wait a second you and your idiot friend said that a Uke can't resist because if he does he will be injured. We learn how to perform a technique by studying it without resistance but we then practice it by ROLLING (sparring) with FULL RESISTANCE in order to make sure that we can actually execute the technique- that's the key difference between BJJ and AIkido. Don't pretend that Aikido and BJJ are even close to being on the same level. Aikido is for show, BJJ for combat.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv
I don't know who this other guy is, but we resist on each other all the time.
BJJ is for sport. Laying on the ground fighting will get you killed in combat.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical - Real fights often end up on the ground, knowing what to do on the ground is important. What's your Aikido going to do for you when I tackle you and choke you out?
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv
My Aikido is going to keep you off of me. My knife and my friends are going to take care of you if you do manage to get me down. Oh wait, they don't plan on that in MMA. They're just training you for a sport. Besides, from the takedowns I have seen actually work, You'll do just as much damage to yourself on the way down on concrete.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical - So you need a gang and a knife to defend yourself from one person? Not very confident in your Aikido are you? Do you even train? Have you ever been in a fight? Where do you live? How old are you? I didn't day you don't have any guts, I said Aikido isn't meant for self defense so don't pretend otherwise. BJJ is much better for self defense, as it was designed to be used for fighting. MMA is just martial artists testing their techniques & skills, why you so threatened by it?
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv
See, I don't take martial arts to be macho, or to compensate for being a pathetic man like some do. If you think all you need is your BJJ skills and you can defeat any threat in the real world, you're destined for early release from the gene pool.
Why doesn't your training have an answer for that? Multiple armed attackers! What's the problem? It's more common than a one on one fight! I never saw it going house to house in Baghdad!
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical - Wait you went house to house in Baghdad using only your Aikido skills? If you're military, which I doubt, you would have trained some Judo and basic BJJ. I think your dishonesty is pathetic. Where did I say that BJJ is all you need to defeat ANY THREAT in the REAL world? Why are you making things up? I've asked you numerous questions about yourself since you like to play tough guy, why won't you answer any?
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv "Earlier you claimed to patrol the streets with a knife and a gang."
I never said that! Must be a product of all that loss of oxygen to the brain. You asked what I would do if you were choking me on the ground. I would cut you, or break a finger, and my friends would most likely be stomping the shit out of you. What would you do if a better BJJ fighter got you down? Give up? What if they want you dead?
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical - So you don't carry a knife but if you were in a street fight you would cut me (with ki? with creative lies?) while your "friends" stomped me. Marines study and learn a system called MCMAP, which is a mash up of JJ, Judo and Karate, sadly no Aikido.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical - Interesting that you couldn't answer the questions I asked you about being a Marine and you were not familiar with MCMAP either... Maybe you shouldn't go around pretending to be someone you're not. I wanted to talk about Aikido but you wanted to get personal so let's do it. You claim to be a great debater yet all you've brought to this party is straw man arguments and lies.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv
What debate? You have an opinion, I have mine. Oh, did my conservatism offend your sensibilities in some way? Been choked out soo many times you turned liberal? What?
Your opinion of Aikido is uninformed and proven wrong by history. Knowing a few people who have been Marines doesn't mean you know shit about it, and jerking off to your favorite meathead doesn't make you a martial artist.
Did you notice there's no lay on the ground fighting in MCMAP?
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical - I don't get choked out, when I'm caught in a choke I tap. There you go again showing you know nothing of which you speak. BJJ comes from JJ, and MCMAP includeds JJ, so yes, MCMAP does include ground fighting, arm bars, knee bars, chokes etc etc.. I was interested in Aikido after seeing a live demo, so I did a lot of research and found AIkido to be pretty lame.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv
" I don't get choked out, when I'm caught in a choke I tap."
What if you can't tap? I'm asking what in your sport centered training is focused on fights you can't lose? You think somebody who wants you dead so they can rape your wife and sell off your kids gives a shit if you tap?
Wow, you discovered Ne-waza. Congrats. Most think it's an original idea of the Gracies.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical - The Gracies spent many years proving BJJ to be a superior martial art for combat. BJJ and JJ techniques are used all over the world by military and police agencies who need a MA that they can rely on in real world situations. Steven Seagal on the other hand has made some entertaining action movies!
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv
Okay, Jiujitsu and Aikido come from the same roots, which were proven in war. BJJ, was proven in a ring.
EVERYTHING changes when you're life is actually on the line. Hence, you can't answer a simple question about real life fights.
To be honest, you have proven to be just another meathead tard. So stay ignorant, Aikido could save your life, and I would rather you croak pulling some sport lunacy.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
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jakesilv 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical - "COULD" is the key word here. A Unicorn "could" ride up and impale my enemies, if unicorns were real. If BJJ is as ineffective as you claim, then why do the Marines use techniques and training methods (rolling) found in BJJ? Why aren't the Marines watching "Above the Law", starring Steven Seagal? Do you see the gaping hole in your logic?
jakesilv 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical - Your question about getting choked out is dumb. If you're already beaten and being choked and your attacked won't stop you'll pass out and if he doesn't release the hold you'll die. So I guess if I found myself being choked to death, and couldn't escape I would die. Wouldn't you? If you're AIkido failed you and I was choking you to death and you couldn't escape you would die too.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical If you search youtube for McMap you can see videos of actual Marines using JJ ground fighting techniques- the same techniques found in BJJ! OOPSIE... Looks like you got caught bullshitting again. I wonder why they aren't watching more Steven Seagal movies like you? I hope you've had a good time talking with me, I've had a blast exposing you to be nothing more than an ignorant liar.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv
You might want to do a little more research into Marine Corp training, and just how much MCMAP is required before they deploy you while there is a WAR GOING ON. They tend to stick with stuff you'll actually need in the field.
Whatever, stay an ignorant loudmouth.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical - Yeah totally- in the two years before you were deployed there was just no time to train you in any MCMAP. I didn't need to google anything either, I called a friend of mine who served in the Marine Corp in Iraq and asked him how to expose your fraud. I train BJJ for fun and exercise.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv
Right, you "called a friend." Call them back, ask them what the requirements are for deployment. Ask him what his training focused on, if he spent the required 44 hours of MCMAP trainging before ground fighting became a focus. You don't have to "blackbelt" in MCMAP. Sheesh.
If you got me in a choke (pshh) I would stab you, or break your fingers. You apparently, would give up.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical - If you were caught in a BJJ choke you would be unable to stab me or break my fingers and if I were fighting for my life I wouldn't let a broken finger deter me. A proper blood choke, or "strangle" would put you out in seconds, you'd maybe have time to shit yourself like Seagal did when he spared with Gene Lebell. Oh and if you're using a weapon why can't I?
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv
Yeah, and if you dove at me I could simply turn and bust you head on the concrete. So what? We could play rock-paper-scissors with martial art techniques all day. I know your fragile ego needs to think that there is such a thing as a dominant martial art, but it's not reality. If watching sport cage fights has taught us anything, its that.
"Oh and if you're using a weapon why can't I?"
No reason. You were the one assuming all you need is BJJ.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical - Whoa I never said that in a street fight I would only use tournament BJJ techniques, you made that part up- that's why I called you on using a straw man argument. Look it up. BJJ is more effective for combat than Aikido, tht was my point. I think the Marines have helped me hammer that point home with their MCMAP system. If Aikido were as effective as you claim it to be we would see it in MCMAP and in MMA because MMA is all about finding the most effective MA-
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv
Well, that was the impression given when you chastised me for owning a knife. What was it you said, "not very confident in Aikido, I see?" Good to see you have changed your mind.
"BJJ is more effective for combat than Aikido."
You have nothing to back that up but a misunderstanding of the Marine Corps, and a sport record. Not to mention that BJJ is only more effective if the goal is to hurt each other. Not always the case.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical - I don't care if you own a knife. If Aikido is so good for self defense then why would you need a knife and a gang of friends in order to defend yourself in a street fight against someone who knows some BJJ? You're assuming a street fight is fight to the death- are most street fights to the death? Or are you saying that BJJ techniques are lethal and in order to counter that lethality you would need a knife? I'm steadily proving my point about BJJ- you're helping.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv
The possibility exists that someone could get by our training in the martial arts and kill us. Wow. I know. Mind boggling. BJJ doesn't make you a superhero, get over it.
I carry a small knife for many reasons. I would hate to blow a defensive technique and not have one when I need one. Should I bother training for fights that aren't to the death? Why? I don't feel the need to get into fights for any other reason, than I have to for survival. Aikido is just one of my tools.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical If your life is on the line why not have the best tool for the job, BJJ is a superior form of self defense when measured against Aikido, as is Judo, boxing and several other arts. If you don't spar/roll then how do you know your techniques will work for you when you need them? I prefer to have tools that I know I can depend on. Techniques in BJJ can be used only for self defense and with lethal force if you like- so your logic fails you there too
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv
"f your life is on the line why not have the best tool for the job,"
I do, it's a combination of martial arts , including one focused on self defense in life or death situations, and small weaponry. BJJ is not a superior form of self defense. Nothing you have said, and no sport proves that. Nothing that ignores the concepts of multiple attackers and weapons the way current BJJ does is "superior" for self defense. It's effective in it's element, but you need more.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical - No, when I say best tool for the job I am specifically referring to your choice of Aikido as one of your tools. It has been my argument that BJJ is a superior art for self defense. No where have I claimed that you should only use BJJ, you keep making that up. You claim Aikido is superior to BJJ because you believe you can use Aikido to stop multiple attackers- this is a dangerous fantasy because real attackers would not behave like a uke.
jakesilv 1 year ago
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@jakesilv "No where have I claimed that you should only use BJJ"
Yet, you chastised me twice for possibly bringing other things to the fight. Let me reverse your argument on you then. You say I shouldn't assume you WOULDN'T have knife on you. If BJJ is soo superior, why do you need a knife?
I CAN use Aikido to defend against multiple attackers. That's the focus. All you see is videos of guys being flipped over. Assuming you will never face more than one person, is the dangerous fantasy.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical -We also know that the Marine Corp feels that BJJ is effective and as such they added that tool to their tool box, rather than adding Aikido. You think you know better than the Marine Corp? See how I present facts while you speculate, present straw men and lie?
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv
" Marine Corp feels that BJJ is effective and as such they added that tool to their tool box, rather than adding Aikido."
They picked up Ne waza, from JiuJitsu. Not BJJ. We didn't train with a set of rules, gloves, and a one on one fight on our mind. You're just seeing what you want to see. Plus, you have no facts. I was there, you have a make believe "friend." If you want a fact, here's a good one. BJJ is not the best martial art!!! Oh God, I offended you now, didn't I!!!
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical -"They picked up Ne waza, from JiuJitsu. Not BJJ. We didn't train with a set of rules, gloves, and a one on one fight on our mind" The techniques in the MCMAP videos are the same techniques and training methods used in BJJ. Again, you are wrong due to your ignorance.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv
You don't know anybody that could beat Gene Lebell either. Not your BJJ instructors, and probably not anybody in the UFC. I don't see why losing to Gene Lebell is anything to feel bad about, or that it disproves the effectiveness of any martial art.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical - I dunno Gene is pushing 80. My instructor competes regularly and is nowhere near 80. I mention the incident because its an example of a high profile Aikido master going up against a much older Judo expert, with an hilarious result. Does the one event show Aikido as useless? No, but it's evidence that supports my opinion.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv
What I need to defend myself from you is dependent on you, not the art you practice. With your childish view of combat and martial arts, it's a safe bet you're not very experienced. My Aikido ability would probably be enough to make you ineffective. However, if I'm wrong, I have karate, Marine Corps training and a knife. Hopefully, you're not putting all your faith in one martial art because of some sport.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical And you would not need to ever physically defend yourself from me, unless I felt threatened by you, in which case you wouldn't be given a chance to defend yourself. I'd render you incapable of causing me harm and be done with you. You are entitled to your opinion but I am entitled to show you why your opinion is poorly thought out.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv
"You are entitled to your opinion but I am entitled to show you why your opinion is poorly thought out."
Well, for starters, this conversation started when I pointed out the flaws in your opinion of Aikido. If your intent is to point out flaws in mine, you're failing. I'm crticising your (apparent) ardent faith in your ability, just because it's BJJ you train in. You're attacking an entire art, with nothing to back up your claim.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@jakesilv
Correct me if I'm wrong, but your claim was that Aikido is ineffective because it's not prominant in sport cage fighting. Here's the problem:
Sport fighting, is when two people are trying to hurt each other, at a preset time, with rules and a ref. Aikido, is for keeping ME from getting killed, against possibly multiple attackers, who are also possibly armed, NOT when it's convenient for me. There is no reason that WOULD be displayed in a sport fight!
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical "Aikido is ineffective because it's not prominant in sport cage fighting." - You're close, if Aikido were effective it would be prominent in cage fighting. If Aikido techniques were really effective people would obviously make use of them- cage fighters, the Marine Corp, etc etc. You claim a cop showed you some Aikido (Seagal?) I train BJJ with Denver Cops. I showed you Marines training JJ techniques used in BJJ- the same techniques you'd see in MMA is you bothered to watch any.
jakesilv 1 year ago
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@jakesilv " You're close, if Aikido were effective it would be prominent in cage fighting."
Ignorant. That statement would only be true if the goal of Aikido training, was cage fighting. Simple question, what can BJJ do for someone facing the very common real world challenge of multiple armed attackers? The answer is nothing, because sport, and reality, are vastly different.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@jakesilv " I train BJJ with Denver Cops."
Ask them to show you how they control people, and retain their weapon. Should look something like this:
watch?v=laIMejcJaFw
See, police don't have the luxury of knowing when they will be in a fight, or avoiding assault and excessive force charges. They're most likely learning BJJ, just to know what all those meatheads with t-shirts two sizes too small, and short man's disease are going to try on them.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical - That video looks cool but no, that's not how things usually go down in the field. They learn BJJ because in real life suspects who resist are taken to the ground, controlled and cuffed. I know a handful of Denver Cops and none of them study Aikido for take downs/hand cuffing. I also work with a former Marine MP and I asked him, he referenced MCMAP training, and said if someone is resisting him he puts his knee into their ass and basically falls down on top of them.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical You're constantly talking trash about those who study BJJ, yet you've shown through your ignorant comments that you don't known the first thing about BJJ, how it is trained, and why it is trained by so many. BJJ is popular because it works. It has been popular outside of the US for a very long time. BJJ is constantly evolving. BJJ is the art you claim Aikido to be, you're just too caught up in fantasy to see things clearly.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv
No, I talk trash about ignorant meatheads that think the pinnacle of martial art is clubbing people with your fists in a cage. BJJ's roots are the same as Aikido's. I don't have a problem with the art, just some of the numbskulls taking it. If BJJ were half what you think it is, these cage fighters wouldn't need to study Muay Thai as well. Get over yourself, there are worse people to get in a fight with than you.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
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jakesilv 1 year ago
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@jakesilv "Get over yourself, there are worse people to get in a fight with than you", are you reading what I write because no where do I say that I am the worst person to get into a fight with. You continue to create statements on my behalf which either don't fit into what I'm saying or contradict my opinions completely. Since you can't address the points I'm making you instead invent points to argue against. Wonderful, and completely dishonest.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical - You're the numbnut/ignorant meathead. You've proven that you lack even a basic understanding of BJJ, JJ and I'm starting to doubt that you even study Aikido. Where do you train? It is true that BJJ and JJ are very similar, BJJ comes from JJ and no doubt Aikido shares a common ancestry as well, the difference here is how the arts have evolved. Aikido is basically Aikijujutsu, castrated & mixed with philosophy, while BJJ is JJ improved to be as effective as possible.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical - Oh and I'm not a "Jersey Shore meathead", I live in Denver, CO. Maybe you should check a map. MMA fighters study more than one MA in order to develop the most well rounded fight game possible. It is a matter of fact that there are many BJJ "only" fighters who have achieved world champion status in many "Vale Tudo" style organizations. No where have I said that BJJ has the best striking- that's another position you've invented.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv
You don't have to live in Jersey to be a douchebag. Your idea that BJJ "improved" Jiujitsu proves my point. UFC meatheads wouldn't last five seconds in the world that Aikijiujitsu, and JJ came from.
BJJ is all over this new spectator sport. The person who doesn't know what they are talking about here, is you! The simplest Aikido concept, mutliple attackers, shocked the hell out of you. You couldn't get your mind around it.
Visit 1592 South Broadway, in Denver. Get educated.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical - I'm from Denver, not New Jersey. The Jersey Shore is nowhere near Denver. Maybe your time would be better spent actually learning about BJJ and Aikido, rather than calling people names on youtube. BJJ is "all over" the UFC, and MMA, because it works. Aikido is absent from the scene because the techniques just can't be executed in the heat of the moment against attackers who don't play along. Maybe you should give up the childish name calling, you're terrible at it.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical Your comments show that you have an incorrect and infantile understanding of BJJ, JJ and the martial arts in general. BJJ is in fact JJ evolved just as said it was, please look it up. Don't presume to know what I think. You cannot read minds. Experience shows me that what you see in Aikido demo's isn't going to work in real life, I'm nowhere near "boggled" by Aikido. I am not naive enough to believe that Aikido turns you into a baddass able to defeat multiple armed attackers.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv " Don't presume to know what I think. You cannot read minds."
I know all I need to know. You're probably about 5'8, or 5'9 thus having a small dick. You probably took wrestling or football to make up for it, bulking up to compensate. Now that you're out of school, you probably took some day-labor job requiring a dayglow vest and fortify your false bravado with classes on beating people up. No one will ever need to fear you. Aikido can nullify everything you have to fight with.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical - Your know it all attitude is whats preventing you from learning. We just gonna call each other names now? I know you, you're a 43 year old hungarian tranny who who works as a sandwich artist when not busy blowing the elderly. You've never actually taken any martial arts classes, instead you watch Seagal movies while choking yourself and ramming carrots up your ass.
jakesilv 1 year ago 8
@jakesilv
I must have hit a nerve! Guess I was right. Look, I know and respect MMA, you're the one here who's Ego can't handle the fact that they don't make you the baddest dude on the planet. Any UFC fan knows all they need to about what you're studying. Aikido, is a fucking mystery to you, yet you have the gall to post an ignorant opinion of it. You don't even comprehend it's purpose. Stay ignorant.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical "I must have hit a nerve!"- no, that's my funny bone. You're the one who can't stay on topic and instead starts trying to attack me personally. That means you've lost the debate. No 3rd grade insult thrown my way can in any way prove anything you've tried to say about Aikido, you can attack the person all day, but the issues remains unaffected, look up logical fallacy. I comprehend Aikido, I just don't have faith in it like you do .
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv I just wanted to say this is perhaps the most wonderfully imaginative insult I have heard recently. Keep up the good work!
pottsy40 8 months ago
@jakesilv
I do find it a little Ironic, that someone parroting the "My Kung Fu is better than your kung fu" diatribe from numerous martial artt BS flicks, would be givin me shit about Steven Seagal though.
(No, I'm not a huge fan of his.)
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical - Anyone can break a finger or use a knife- someone who knows BJJ just has more ways to injure you. Not sure why you think you could do whatever you want in a street situation and a BJJ fighter would be limited by some weird honor code. Maybe I'd kick you in the nuts, head but you, stab you and then arm bar you. If we're gonna play anything goes, why are you the only one free to do as you please? Again, you are showing that you are not capable of basic reasoning and logic.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv
"Maybe I'd kick you in the nuts, head but you, stab you and then arm bar you. If we're gonna play anything goes, why are you the only one free to do as you please?"
Exactly my point!! BJJ is a great art, but its being taught for SPORT, and not any of those things you mentioned! Aikido, as well as most martial arts, is taught with that idea in mind. So saying it's "ineffective"" just because we don't bother with sport, is credulous and ignorant.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@jakesilv
Um..if you want to know how old I am, just click on my name. Not that it has anything to do with the discussion at hand.
Where do I live? Austin Tx.
Have I ever been in a fight? Many. I spent 9 years competitive in karate. Even fought in Japan once (got owned, but hey, I was there!)
Two tours in Iraq, clearing out safehouses, Yeah, went hand to hand a few times.
A few bar fights. Cocky marine, can't handle my booze.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical - Clicked your name and all I found was a creepy republican propaganda channel. There is a great BJJ school in Austin!
2919 Manchaca Suite. 210 Austin, TX 78704 (512)693-8258. Why don't you go take a free lesson? Ask them to roll. See how your Aikido works. If its as good as you say then you should have no problem against a sports enthusiast. And I do not believe you were in the Marine Corp, or that you served in Iraq. When did you serve in Iraq? What division were you with?
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv
You can save you BJJ recommendation. I take martial arts to live a long, healthy life. Not end up with torn apart joints and brain bruising from years of sport fighting.
I joined after 9/11. Felt it was my duty, and the timing was right to find a new direction in life. Deployment was in 2003, at the start of Iraqi freedom, with the First Marine, expeditionary force. Beyond that, I'm not telling you shit about my personal life.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical - You said you went door to door clearing safe houses in Baghdad, maybe you meant to say Nasiriyah?What was your MOS?
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv
What, are you googling battles now? I was a rookie in Nasiriyah, took fire then stayed back. We cleared out safe houses in Baghdad during my second tour.
What's with the deflection? Can't back up your assertion that Aikido is somehow less effective than sport training?
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical - MMA is superior to AIkido and provides a better arena for training because MMA styles are proven effective against opponents who not only resist attacks and techniques but attack as well. In order to be considered competent in the MMA arena a MA must be able to demonstrate the ability to actually execute techniques- AIkido lacks this key element. There is just no substitution for experience. Sparring/rolling is key to improving your ability to execute.
jakesilv 1 year ago
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@jakesilv
"MMA styles are proven effective against opponents who not only resist attacks and techniques but attack as well."
Both of which happen in Aikido training as well. You don't need a competition to make training realistic.
"There is just no substitution for experience."
My point exactly. Ask your imaginary friend. Your sport does not provide experience.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical - on and in BJJ we train not to land on our knees when we perform a takedown, that way we don't hurt ourselves when we take some clown to the ground and choke him out. We also train on several throws, chokes and joint locks that can be done while standing. You don't seem to know squat about BJJ- I train and I'm happy to help you remove your head from your ass.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv
I have no problem with Bjj. I have a problem with the meatheads who think they're the baddest thing in earth, when they're very far from it. Look, you train for a sport, period. BJJ is no more likely to save your life when you need it than any other martial art.
Aikido is for self defense. The MMA "defense" is to just absorb the hit, from what I can see. Not a smart tactic against weapons.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical BJJ isn't meant for sport, but is often used in MMA because it works. Instead of bs'ing on youtube why don't you do some research on Vale Tudo and the Gracie family. You posted before that you think BJJ take downs involve slamming your own knees into the ground and that proves you to be ignorant of the subject. Now you claim to be an Iraq war vet with urban combat Aikido experience. In MMA, you try not to get hit- you don't try to absorb, again, you are ignorant.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical and Krav Maga is far superior to Aikido when it comes to disarming an attacker using a weapon, but I would encourage you to try your Aikido on someone intent on stabbing you and see how that works out. Oh wait, you probably already used your Aikido to disarm and kill 7 Ninja's while you were serving in MI6. Seagals movies are make believe, btw.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv
Krav Maga uses many of the same techniques to take a weapon out of someone's hand as Aikido, the Marine Corps, and probably a hundred martial arts out there. What do you know, they were studying the human hand design!!! Shocking!
"I would encourage you to try your Aikido on someone intent on stabbing you and see how that works out."
I have. We train with TANTO all the time. I encourage YOU to try the same thing.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
You know what, why don't you nut up and find a BJJ school near you. Ask to come and spar and see how your Aikido measures up? Where do you live? I'll find a gym for you and make the call. I highly doubt either of you have ever been in a real fight or sparred with anyone other than a complaint uke.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv
You know what, why don't you grow a pair and join the military if you're soo tough? I did. I have had my life threatened, and came out on top. You think you're ready for a fight you can't lose? I'll call a recruiter for you. A few tips: When your life is threatened, all you will have on your side is muscle memory, no coach or ref to guide you. And enemy combatants don't have rules.
Just as i suspected. Another MA fanboy compensating for a small manhood.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical WTF join the military? What for? That's a four year commitment you know. I guess I better go sign up because a stranger on the net told me to. You are a joke! Nothing else to say about Aikido so you say I better enlist? How does enlisting in the military prove anything you've claimed? You asking for a pic of my penis? Wow, you are one gay weirdo.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv
But I should go change my life to do cage fighting? Just to prove to some clown on Youtube that Aikido works?
The topic was having guts. Don't go thinking you have some just because you take a BJJ class, or that I don't because I take Aikido. That's childish and ignorant. The MMA nuts I have met all seem to have short man's disease. For one reason or another.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
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@jakesilv "Sparring/rolling ensures that a martial artist can execute his techniques against an unwilling opponent"
No it doesn't. Playfighting just teaches you how to deal with an opponent that's spending half their energy protecting themselves. There's a world of difference between that and the onslught brought on by someone acting out of hate, and a desire to kill. Cage fight all you want. You can still get owned by a mugger with a knife unless you train for it.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@jakesilv
"AIkido is not designed for self defense."
You couldn't be more wrong. It is definitely for self defense, much more so than any of the arts popularized in MMA.
Real life-and-death situations are not one on one, with no weapons and the ability to tap out if you're losing. Aikido is meant to save your life, not win a sport.
Try your ground fighting against multiple opponents, on concrete. See how long you last.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical - You couldn't be more wrong. It is a matter of fact that Aikido was not designed for actual self defense. BJJ on the other hand was designed for "vale tudo" (look it up) fighting. If I am surrounded in a street fight and get tackled to the concrete if I know BJJ I know how to get people off of me and get away. MMA is the closest sport we have to real combat. Aikido has no value because your techniques are not tested against uncooperative opponents.
jakesilv 1 year ago
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@jakesilv
"Aikido has no value because your techniques are not tested against uncooperative opponents"
Untrue. The techniques are tested against training partners, resisting for the good of helping you learn, and being able to use them. While at the same time learning to survive being on the receiving end.
"MMA is the closest sport we have to real combat."
That's not saying much. I've been to war. Your sport does not prepare you for that.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@jakesilv By the way. Th last thing I will say on this subject, due to not wanting to discuss something you CANNOT COMPREHEND. Martial art means WAR ART not fighting art. There is a difference.
You say I'm full of shit because I don't call it 'rolling'? I say you're full of shit because you seem to have learned the terminology and none of the philosophy. Rolling is ground sparring, my sparring involves every angle possible with 1 or more opponents.
aikifan77 1 year ago
@aikifan77 Look troll, I stated my opinion in that Aikido is not a good choice for someone looking to learn some self defense and then I presented evidence, such as Marine Corp training videos, to back up my opinion. You don't seem to understand the value of sparring/rolling and you don't seem to understand what rolling is. Training technique with a uke is great, but it is not sparing. Philosophy is great too, but in a fight I want techniques and training i can depend on, not eastern philosophy
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv I have come to the conclusion that you don't rad what I write.
Look at the techniques in aikido .....they're ju-jutsu techniques .... the aiki element is a different method of applying them, emphasis on breaking balance. The best way to learn balance breaking from a strike is with people running at you. Once you're ready the compliance is removed as is the running attack and real punching is introduced. Numbnut.
aikifan77 1 year ago
@aikifan77 - I do "rad" what you write. Do you "rad" what I write? Aikido and J do share a common ancestry but the two arts have evolved in radically different directions. You should study up on how Aikijujutsu techniques have changed since being incorporated into Aikido. Study up on training methods and you'll see that the training methods you're in favor of are outdated by about 60 years. If Aikido techniques were street effective we'd see them used by Police officers, Military, MMA etc etc.
jakesilv 1 year ago