Love the art, and the documentary - but what's the name of that song which plays in the beginning? I know I've heard it before, and I know it's be one of the big composers - I just can't recall which and what the title of the song is...help? :<
Young Simon Schama had dropped about 300 -350 milligrams of LSD that morning. Did you notice the eyes darting back and forth, the brisk walking pace of the reenactor? He's feeling a wee bit paranoid and quite anxious out there on the street. He wants to get to the museum like yesterday. And see those Francis Bacon paintings. And then what happens after a wrong right turn in this scene .. 4:26
If I had to reflect on were my fascination with art began to deviate to the abstract deeper realm of it. Simon Schama's documentary on Rothko would be page 1.
@ptdann1 Schama would like hearing that no doubt. I think that's at least in part why he went w/ Rothko. (And perhaps not Francis Bacon or American pop art??) Plus he experienced personally this entrance to the 'abstract, deeper realm' himself as is shown in this episode.
wake up Simon Schama! Don't confuse the nostalgia of your youth with objective fact...there's a reason why Rothko was a sucide..he was depressed and it shows through his paintings. it does NOT amek the paintings special in any way..thye are merely symptoms of a disordered mind and have NO CULTURAL justification WHATSOEVER. Stop it!!!
@mrswozzle Or just plain looking at when works were done and in what context (which people like you seem to forget .... or just plain unable to acknowledge). When were the works done ? In what context ? In what cultural contexts ? Amusing people don't look further, at how these people influenced art and thinking in different/new ways (at the time !) positively.
Everyone has their blind spots, including the excellent Simon Schama..but there are no psychopaths quite like intellectuals... Anyone who sees ANYTHING of merit in Rothko, Pollock, and all the rest need more treatment than the "artists."
@mrswozzle just because its not something that jumps out at you at first dosent mean it dosent have merit, whats so captivating about something you understand instantly? These people have advanced society so much.
@finitenoir it is requiem by gyorgy ligeti, stanley kubrick was a big fan of his work and used it in a few of his films such as 2001 a space odyssey and others
I watched this documentary on my history of art classes. I had rivers in my eyes and in the end I couldn't move. Rothko and his restless 'poetry'; Schama, with his endearing and touching speech.
I watched this documentary on my history of art classes. I had rivers in my eyes and in the end I couldn't move. Rothko and his restless 'poetry'.; Schama, with his endearing and touching speech.
I dont agree with Schama´s saying thet "Rothko spent to much time in te realm of the death, in his own mind," He was dealing with depresion, just like a lot of people, art can cure depresion, It really can.
im not sure if its too early to give an opinion in this series but i am finding the whole this manipuative, the choice of music and the visuals are being added to the art, to determine our senses. I dont think this is a good idea!
@cprostudio Don't be "fooled" - sound doesn't mean anything and, even with the absence of intentional sound, with silence, you are still making "manipulation". As silence is present, like sound itself.
@myloverisbillmurray It's one of Rothko's 'Seagram Murals'. Part of a collective work that Rothko painted for a commissioned space in the Four Seasons restaurant. Really interesting story behind them that gives you a lot of respect for the man!
They're displayed in the Tate Modern in London if you ever get a chance to see them, I recommend it!
@Ozzrya91 The fact that you think of yourself as an artist makes your opinion not an inch more important.
Actually i dont fancy his work all to much either, but that makes him an artist whoms work i don't fancy all that much but my personal taste is irrelevant to him being an pretty influential artist. Let me put it that way my dispise of Dali for teaming up with fascist general Franko turns him into a charakterless moron not into a non-artist
To project all those images and dramatic music over what you're meant to feel/experience whilst seeing Rothko's paintings is so over the top. He actually said they were meant to have religious meanings, but even that I find a bit farfetched. you shouldn't always have to be told what to feel whilst looking at paintings, nothing more than say a title or brief background info is necessary. what you as individuals feel when you are looking at the painting is far more important.
I often ponder why so many clueless f*ckheads feel the need to comment on topics they have no clue about. Is it some deep seeded need to be head by anyone at any level?
caravaggio is great, but understand the era and the people who had paid him to paint those works. caravaggios personal creativity was never an option. he was never allowed to express himself. he was only allowed to express the minds of the people with the deep pockets. What you must understand, is that we live in a different world than the rennaisance or baroque masters, and to express yourself instead of a bible.. is a beautiful thing.
I simply do not get abstract expressionism. All I see is some colored shapes that do not make a bit of sense. I can not find one thing it adds to the human existance.
@TroyBilt007 abstract may not be your cup of tea. I did not understand Rothko until I found myself sitting in front of one of his paintings in the Met Museum of Modern Art, it hit me like a brick and then understood. But it is not for everyone and that is okay. I dig all kinds of art, I am a art junkie :) Peace.
@kimrabb Rothko=Rorschach Look at ANY ambiguous stimululs expecting to see something, and guess what? You WILL. This "artist" was a fraud. Sure, I can sit and stare at a Rothko "live" and experience something. Or I can look at a cloud. Same thing. It's me projecting myself onto an ambiguous stimulus. I've seen books of paintings by elephants and cats, and frankly, they're more interesting than any Rothko--although, they probably put about as much thought into their "works" as he did....
@mjl718 You need to calm down and understand it is totally subjective and you can not dictate to anyone what is or it not art. If I see art is a potato peel than for me that is valid art for me, it may not be for you and that is fine but no one has the authority to validate art. The only thing you can intellectually say is that you do not like it, it does not speak to you but you can not tell me that it does not speak to me. It is rather easy to understand, Hitler tried but looked foolish.
@kimrabb Read his comment again. He never said it wasn't art. He actually made some pretty good points. You should listen statements that oppose your beliefs. You might learn something.
@TroyBilt007 That's a shame. It's about the things you cannot see or feel with your hands, It's looking with the mind. But it is also not for everyone and that it totally okay.
I often wonder about Rothko, his later paintings and his alleged suicide. I wonder, and one must about whether he saw death as another portal to something.
Is Simon actually implying that looking at a roughly painted red wall, gave him an insight into life - war, birth, the universe, etc,? I like the guy, but he needs to get out more. It's a case of the emperor's new clothes if you ask me, and I'm not afraid to say that there is no more in this work than what you would get from looking at any textured, unformed surface. I think I'll stick to Caravaggio - I don't need snobbish art types to pressure me into thinking that his works are amazing.
@nookie077 i agree with you.caravaggio is my favorite painter. i dont have anything against rothko but i guess i just dont understand abstract art.at least not rothkos art
@MRanarchy90 If you do not understand abstract art you certanly dont get the point of Caravaggio, his "point is much more difficult toget, only people are more familiar with the things he paints. I think Rothko is much easier to get as he paints pure beuty, one exact colour tone that is incredible.
@nabnutsy That was exactly Rothko's intention. You completely get it. I think that's fantastic. I'm not a Rothko fan, but understanding the man is key to understanding his work. I love his ideas; they were very pure, BUT I had to read about him to understand his work. I was indifferent to it before. I have been told that I need to stand in front of his work and not view a print, so maybe that's where I'm going wrong. Anyway, I like your comment on it, completely unpretentious.
theloonymango, It's not about how difficult it is to make the painting, it's how you feel when in the presence of of these works. They are overwhelming.
i agree. i like the more academic style more than contemporary works. however, I think that the creative process in contemporary works isn't in the actual production of many of these works (at least as much as was in the past) but more in the revolutionary concepts behind why they were doing what they were doing. it was about simplifying objects and some artists wanted to rid art of the object all together.
I watched this with a friend of mine who doesn't really know about art, and she thought that Francis Bacon was a boy Schama was checking out at the gallery :O
Thanks for posting. I'll just add, anyone who enjoys this documentary should try and find Mark Rothko: A Biography by the late James E. Breslin. It is a fantastic book.
fuck you you stupid windbag simon schama. you are a self righteous fool who tries too hard to seem important and really all youre doing is regurgiating what the masses consensus is about rothko. i love rothko but you missed the point beyond all recognition. you cant explain rothko. you must be quiet, open and just look.
I think people trying to justify modern art are just scared to say the emperor has no clothes. Not saying they aren't great artists, but great art? It's just not beautiful.
@masterfeatherpen No, I love modern art, NOTHING to do with "scared to say the emperor has no clothes" WHATSOEVER ! ridiculous . . . . People experience art differently, people also have different cultural contexts AND intellectual ones . . . . to say one is just scared to say is far too simplistic.
watching this series, it's interesting to note that great western painting, up to the modern era, was mostly representational with very little jewish participation. which makes sense since they're laws forbade "graven images". with the shift from form to process in the 19C suddenly jewish artists dominated the art world. The unfortunate result is that painting (which used to be the cultural equivalent of cinema) is irrelevant to everyone but a few dealers and critics in NY & london.
Thank You, Simon. This is valuabe material. More than I would have learnt had I been watching TV and chaps in baseball caps, complaining in the manner of - I assume - most of the above.
@Alexoflondon "More than I would have learnt had I been watching TV and chaps in baseball caps, complaining in the manner of - I assume - most of the above."
it's about the experience of Rothko's art, it is only shown to elevate his point more and put a context too what Rothko lived through. All of the raw emotion Rothko illustrated through his paintings are a never ending response to the human condition, and quite specifically all the bad (mostly) he and others of his time lived through. and being that simon experienced at that time in his life, and felt this, it adds to his point.
modern art is so boring... not much to see. But it is interesting for the brain. You see something really boring in a museum then the challenge is to convince yourself it's good and has something to say when it dosent !!! it's all blablabla... just like the rest...
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i'm not an art critic but i like carvagio and rembrandt's paintings better......cuz i think anyone can paint like rothko....well that's just me ;o))))
Ooh I have tried and believe me it is nearly impossible. You can recreate the shapes but you cant recreated the colors and since "colors" are rothko's "actors" you won't be able to create images as transcending as Rothko's. It really requires layer upon layer upon layer upon layer (etc) of paint to get close to the deep and remarkable colors Rothko makes. Better try for yourself then you'll understand what I mean.
I think perhaps you wouldn't think that if you saw the paintings in person. They are alive. Neither have you truly seen a Van Gogh until you see it up close and personal. It's unfortunate, but a lot of the modern art just doesn't translate at the small size of a book, no matter how high the print quality, or a computer screen for that matter. To truly see a Rothko, you have to hang out with it for a while.
@theloonymango A lot of people feel that way but i think you just have to be an artist to fully understand what this man did...he was one of the last painters of all time...he was a genuis.
@digitalbeachwar I'm don't want to go on too much about a man people obviously admire and respect, but I don't think your threat, in this case, has the impact you may think it has - the idea of painting blocks of color isn't that daunting to most people. I think you'd be better off saying "well go and see if you can earn the money and recognition he has." Now that would be difficult.
@nookie077 My comment wasn't a "threat". It's a suggestion. And I will have to disagree with "the idea of painting blocks of color isn't that daunting to most people." But I do agree with "well go and see if you can earn the money and recognition he has." Though my comment has nothing to do with making money nor fame. A recap of the comments below. theloonymango- "...cuz i think anyone can paint like rothko...."
digitalbeachwar- "@theloonymango So then go paint like him..."
@digitalbeachwar You're are correct - your comment was an instruction; a threat it was not. Sorry about that, but I think (hope) you get my point. Anyway, I don't say that in order to continue discussions on a topic we clearly disagree on. I just wanted to clear up things regarding my misinterpretation of you comment.
@theloonymango you are missing the point entirely! this is not about technical ability. It is so incredibly beside the point. I am not arguing against rembrandt or carravagio, they are both brilliant painters. But Rothko's brilliance lies in the way his paintings are. They live and breathe, they have a pulse. Standing in front of his paintings has nothing to do with appreciating his technique, but his unbelieveable ability to give his paintings life. No one but him has yet done this.
Socialist! I find it hard to appreciate all Art but as an artist I appreciate the fact that it doesn't matter if I "get it" or not and it is up to me to find out more. Wow that sounds like I can educate myself. Why should we as a race accommodate in all areas for the lowest common denominator i.e. The uneducated. Lifes not fair and we should never compensate in any way for the shortcomings of others when it comes to the pursuit of the next big idea.
Ok sorry for the numerous posts but the letter limit is shorter than this guy sucks...
I say all this because i really feel some people are not honest just following the herd. Its not hip to say you like this just because modern art gurus say you're a caveman if you dont.
Forget about everything, forget about his name about his fame about his life about everything just look at whats in front of you and admit to yourself there is nothing left.
@automony666 Not everyone says yes and amen, just to be a part of the herd ..... please, what rubbish. I'd say anyone that is a colournut will love or understand Rothko.
Oh, you were the Radiohead fan .... lol ... vampire weekend .... Sorry, to be "elitist" but I doubt someone who is into generic arty dadrock would "get it".
If at 47 my greatest piece was something like Magenta, Black, Green on Orange i think i would kill myself... ...wait.
If we're going to stay in the realms of modern art even Mondrian is a genius in comparison but thats only not to mention Sargent Fechin Repin Levitan Tissot Corot Trouillebert Klimt Degas Payne Moran Leyendecker Velasquez Innes Diebenkorn Perrier etc etc etc
Some idiot said about negative opinions: "But it's an opinion that is like saying that a piece of classical music is 'just a bunch of noises" Excuse me sir but no just NO who the fuck do you think you are to claim Rothko is like "some piece of classical music". His work is void, no skills, no compositions, no designs, no narrative, no skill (for emphasis), just empty generally monochromatic canvases, one trick pony meets oil paints...
Ok what the fuck is it im not understanding here exactly?
This artist sucks.. rotten eggs and beyond measure!
Now maybe all the featherbrained praise is ironic but that would suprise me a little, this said if its NOT, then that would surprise me a LOT. Seriously people wtf? This is just large canvas entirely covered in one same color!! It makes you feel great? Cool, it makes you jizz? AWESOME but for heaven's sake dont praise the guy as a great artist.
I came here for the homework !
33niggerkiller 1 week ago
" then i took a wrong right turn.... and there they were, lying at wait" (eyes widen, suspenseful music comes to its climax) and BOOM, head explodes.
TheFruscianteRocks 1 month ago
brilliant brilliant brilliant video. thanks so much i love Rothko so much
ChrisHayesArt 1 month ago
Love the art, and the documentary - but what's the name of that song which plays in the beginning? I know I've heard it before, and I know it's be one of the big composers - I just can't recall which and what the title of the song is...help? :<
VoicesintheWind11 1 month ago
@VoicesintheWind11 It's Beethoven's "Moonlight Sonata." :)
2014usa 1 month ago
@2014usa Thank you so much! :D
VoicesintheWind11 1 month ago
Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata Mvt.1
ecaffee 1 month ago
@ecaffee Haha, thank you :)
VoicesintheWind11 1 month ago
Young Simon Schama had dropped about 300 -350 milligrams of LSD that morning. Did you notice the eyes darting back and forth, the brisk walking pace of the reenactor? He's feeling a wee bit paranoid and quite anxious out there on the street. He wants to get to the museum like yesterday. And see those Francis Bacon paintings. And then what happens after a wrong right turn in this scene .. 4:26
S2Cents 1 month ago
If I had to reflect on were my fascination with art began to deviate to the abstract deeper realm of it. Simon Schama's documentary on Rothko would be page 1.
ptdann1 1 month ago
@ptdann1 Schama would like hearing that no doubt. I think that's at least in part why he went w/ Rothko. (And perhaps not Francis Bacon or American pop art??) Plus he experienced personally this entrance to the 'abstract, deeper realm' himself as is shown in this episode.
S2Cents 1 month ago
Bueno
leosbeljimenez 2 months ago
Picasso is in a bicycle race
deekfrog 2 months ago
please don't drag out that old chestnut, "context"..it's how many a poor and insidious piece of rubbish is justified!
mrswozzle 3 months ago
@Ozzrya91 You don't even know how to compose a frickin youtube page properly
and deviantart ? are you fucking kidding me ?
deary me lol
sclapione 3 months ago
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RyanDemaree 3 months ago
@Ozzrya91 lol
sclapione 3 months ago
wake up Simon Schama! Don't confuse the nostalgia of your youth with objective fact...there's a reason why Rothko was a sucide..he was depressed and it shows through his paintings. it does NOT amek the paintings special in any way..thye are merely symptoms of a disordered mind and have NO CULTURAL justification WHATSOEVER. Stop it!!!
mrswozzle 3 months ago
@mrswozzle Or just plain looking at when works were done and in what context (which people like you seem to forget .... or just plain unable to acknowledge). When were the works done ? In what context ? In what cultural contexts ? Amusing people don't look further, at how these people influenced art and thinking in different/new ways (at the time !) positively.
sclapione 3 months ago
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RyanDemaree 3 months ago
@mrswozzle Opening up new doors in art. Wonderful abstract art may not have evolved without the, then new, ways of seeing/looking at things.
Do you have a deviant"art" account, too ? lol
One has gotta laugh
sclapione 3 months ago
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RyanDemaree 3 months ago
@sclapione - It looks like you cant answer to my challenge LOL
as I thought.
Youre not an artist, youre just a hipster. Figured.
Arguement over, and blocked.
RyanDemaree 3 months ago
Everyone has their blind spots, including the excellent Simon Schama..but there are no psychopaths quite like intellectuals... Anyone who sees ANYTHING of merit in Rothko, Pollock, and all the rest need more treatment than the "artists."
mrswozzle 4 months ago
@mrswozzle just because its not something that jumps out at you at first dosent mean it dosent have merit, whats so captivating about something you understand instantly? These people have advanced society so much.
flamecow 3 months ago
@flamecow dont be an ass! you're buying into garbage with this kind of comment and perpetuating shit of all kinds!!
mrswozzle 3 months ago
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@mrswozzle You are clueless
sclapione 3 months ago
@mrswozzle you clearly are a fucking idiot troll... :)
VasilisBotoulas 2 months ago
@VasilisBotoulas how so? If I want to hear an idiot, I WIll ask you what you like about anything by Rothko.
mrswozzle 2 months ago
@Ozzrya91 You = generic mainstream. Also, you have to look at the time, culture and context things were made.
Stick to "6 videos DOOM/ video games", you numbskull
sclapione 5 months ago
can anyone tell me what the piece of music is that starts at 0:50
chiledofthekorn 5 months ago
it was good until the last 30 seconds or so and then I decided I wasn't going to watch any more.
anywayokay 6 months ago
is that audio from 2001: A Space Odyssey @ 4:00?
finitenoir 7 months ago
@finitenoir it is requiem by gyorgy ligeti, stanley kubrick was a big fan of his work and used it in a few of his films such as 2001 a space odyssey and others
chiledofthekorn 6 months ago
@chiledofthekorn thanks for the heads-up. i really appreciate it. :)
finitenoir 6 months ago
@finitenoir the "theme" of 2001 is "Also Sprach Zarathustra" by Richard Strauss.
SayidShazeen 6 months ago
@SayidShazeen yeee-ah... not what was i was asking about.
finitenoir 6 months ago
what is the first song playing in the begining called? pleaaase someone tell me, i heard it before but i forgot!
KarianneHoff1934 7 months ago
One minor complaint: Rothko's work can't be fully appreciated without the music of Morton Feldman to accompany it.
philomel 7 months ago
amazing art very well presented. thank you for sharing this extraordinary documentary.
vmaadlen 7 months ago
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I watched this documentary on my history of art classes. I had rivers in my eyes and in the end I couldn't move. Rothko and his restless 'poetry'; Schama, with his endearing and touching speech.
collidingalaxies 8 months ago
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I watched this documentary on my history of art classes. I had rivers in my eyes and in the end I couldn't move. Rothko and his restless 'poetry'.; Schama, with his endearing and touching speech.
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collidingalaxies 8 months ago
all episodes of the power of art are so sublime!
cosmicrider287 9 months ago 16
I dont agree with Schama´s saying thet "Rothko spent to much time in te realm of the death, in his own mind," He was dealing with depresion, just like a lot of people, art can cure depresion, It really can.
panamanubian 9 months ago
@panamanubian only religious spiritual art
Kapojos 8 months ago
@Kapojos That can be a real answer, do you practice anykind of spiritual art, are you an artist your self?
Feel free to go to my facebook profile and look under Ernesto Springer, and there you will see some of my paintings.
panamanubian 8 months ago
This one particular master of art inspires me
boyODD 10 months ago
3:17 Simon please tell us you didnt walk like that. Swish swish swish LOL. Just kidding - Love this series. Thanks for posting.
SCORNDOGGMELACH 10 months ago
im not sure if its too early to give an opinion in this series but i am finding the whole this manipuative, the choice of music and the visuals are being added to the art, to determine our senses. I dont think this is a good idea!
cprostudio 11 months ago
@cprostudio Don't be "fooled" - sound doesn't mean anything and, even with the absence of intentional sound, with silence, you are still making "manipulation". As silence is present, like sound itself.
BodyHeaven 11 months ago
@BodyHeaven So if I fart would it manipulate?
zw0ecool 9 months ago
Rothko was amazing artist, Simon did his job cool. Rothko must thank to Simon from the sky. Thank you Simon!
MrBilgutei 11 months ago
This is wonderful. I love Rothko. Great info.
artgal28 11 months ago
Personally feel that this is the best series I have ever had the pleasure / education to watch. I am the better for it.
syoung0924 11 months ago
CAN ANYONE PLEASE TELL ME THE NAME OF THE PAINTING AT 3:56 I WANT A PRINT OF IT FOR MY WALL!
myloverisbillmurray 1 year ago
@myloverisbillmurray It's one of Rothko's 'Seagram Murals'. Part of a collective work that Rothko painted for a commissioned space in the Four Seasons restaurant. Really interesting story behind them that gives you a lot of respect for the man!
They're displayed in the Tate Modern in London if you ever get a chance to see them, I recommend it!
settheraytojimmy 11 months ago
@myloverisbillmurray
It's Red on Maroon 1959
You can see it on the online catalogue of the Tate dot org
pipetheory 6 months ago
He's actually Latvian. Born in Dvinska (now Daugavpils).
RiitaTeeja 1 year ago
@Ozzrya91 The fact that you think of yourself as an artist makes your opinion not an inch more important.
Actually i dont fancy his work all to much either, but that makes him an artist whoms work i don't fancy all that much but my personal taste is irrelevant to him being an pretty influential artist. Let me put it that way my dispise of Dali for teaming up with fascist general Franko turns him into a charakterless moron not into a non-artist
Bahutsauvage 1 year ago
@Ozzrya91 Lucky for art, your opinion diesn't matter at all.
Bahutsauvage 1 year ago
@Ozzrya91 lol, true, this is ridiculous
2505994 1 year ago
To project all those images and dramatic music over what you're meant to feel/experience whilst seeing Rothko's paintings is so over the top. He actually said they were meant to have religious meanings, but even that I find a bit farfetched. you shouldn't always have to be told what to feel whilst looking at paintings, nothing more than say a title or brief background info is necessary. what you as individuals feel when you are looking at the painting is far more important.
joebassplayer 1 year ago
anybody know what's playing at 5:50?
verdeoviola 1 year ago
rothko started the emo movement
AtheistAnarchoRudi 1 year ago
@AtheistAnarchoRudi And you the hit with a plank on the head one ?
sclapione 5 months ago
Woo Hoo, I LOVE the Schama, when is he coming to Exeter Uni to give a talk??
TheAmelie1987 1 year ago 4
I often ponder why so many clueless f*ckheads feel the need to comment on topics they have no clue about. Is it some deep seeded need to be head by anyone at any level?
mojorising13 1 year ago 2
caravaggio is great, but understand the era and the people who had paid him to paint those works. caravaggios personal creativity was never an option. he was never allowed to express himself. he was only allowed to express the minds of the people with the deep pockets. What you must understand, is that we live in a different world than the rennaisance or baroque masters, and to express yourself instead of a bible.. is a beautiful thing.
kux0 1 year ago
I simply do not get abstract expressionism. All I see is some colored shapes that do not make a bit of sense. I can not find one thing it adds to the human existance.
TroyBilt007 1 year ago
@TroyBilt007 abstract may not be your cup of tea. I did not understand Rothko until I found myself sitting in front of one of his paintings in the Met Museum of Modern Art, it hit me like a brick and then understood. But it is not for everyone and that is okay. I dig all kinds of art, I am a art junkie :) Peace.
kimrabb 1 year ago
@kimrabb Awesome. Nicely said. Peace back
Trund27 1 year ago
@kimrabb Rothko=Rorschach Look at ANY ambiguous stimululs expecting to see something, and guess what? You WILL. This "artist" was a fraud. Sure, I can sit and stare at a Rothko "live" and experience something. Or I can look at a cloud. Same thing. It's me projecting myself onto an ambiguous stimulus. I've seen books of paintings by elephants and cats, and frankly, they're more interesting than any Rothko--although, they probably put about as much thought into their "works" as he did....
mjl718 1 year ago
@mjl718 You need to calm down and understand it is totally subjective and you can not dictate to anyone what is or it not art. If I see art is a potato peel than for me that is valid art for me, it may not be for you and that is fine but no one has the authority to validate art. The only thing you can intellectually say is that you do not like it, it does not speak to you but you can not tell me that it does not speak to me. It is rather easy to understand, Hitler tried but looked foolish.
kimrabb 1 year ago
@kimrabb Yes, you're right. Clearly I was agitated and excited and need to calm down. Durrrrrrr....
mjl718 1 year ago
@kimrabb Read his comment again. He never said it wasn't art. He actually made some pretty good points. You should listen statements that oppose your beliefs. You might learn something.
mrbuttercup37 1 year ago
@TroyBilt007 That's a shame. It's about the things you cannot see or feel with your hands, It's looking with the mind. But it is also not for everyone and that it totally okay.
Trund27 1 year ago
what is the music at the beginning ???
chocolatecookiegirl 1 year ago
@chocolatecookiegirl It is Beethoven's Piano Sonata No. 14 in C♯ minor "Quasi una fantasia, better known as the Moonlight Sonata
cszemis 1 year ago
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Mark Rothko and his work can be found in the following important books:
American Abstract Expressionism of the 1950s An Illustrated Survey ISBN:0967799414;
lolipuf 1 year ago
lol why does the "Young Simon Schama" look like Austin Powers though?
nietzscheinchnails 1 year ago
@nietzscheinchnails Because he's a Mod!
Trund27 1 year ago
I often wonder about Rothko, his later paintings and his alleged suicide. I wonder, and one must about whether he saw death as another portal to something.
Super8StrikesBack 1 year ago
Is Simon actually implying that looking at a roughly painted red wall, gave him an insight into life - war, birth, the universe, etc,? I like the guy, but he needs to get out more. It's a case of the emperor's new clothes if you ask me, and I'm not afraid to say that there is no more in this work than what you would get from looking at any textured, unformed surface. I think I'll stick to Caravaggio - I don't need snobbish art types to pressure me into thinking that his works are amazing.
nookie077 1 year ago
@nookie077 i agree with you.caravaggio is my favorite painter. i dont have anything against rothko but i guess i just dont understand abstract art.at least not rothkos art
MRanarchy90 1 year ago
@MRanarchy90 If you do not understand abstract art you certanly dont get the point of Caravaggio, his "point is much more difficult toget, only people are more familiar with the things he paints. I think Rothko is much easier to get as he paints pure beuty, one exact colour tone that is incredible.
scalemodellingtips 8 months ago
@nookie077 Hey, just because some people like Rothko doesn't mean there is snobbery around. I like Rothko AND Caravaggio for different reasons.
Trund27 1 year ago
i have to admit i don't like abstract but the art of mark just blows me away. as if the painting attracs you. feel me, see me, know me.
nabnutsy 1 year ago 2
@nabnutsy That was exactly Rothko's intention. You completely get it. I think that's fantastic. I'm not a Rothko fan, but understanding the man is key to understanding his work. I love his ideas; they were very pure, BUT I had to read about him to understand his work. I was indifferent to it before. I have been told that I need to stand in front of his work and not view a print, so maybe that's where I'm going wrong. Anyway, I like your comment on it, completely unpretentious.
hevghirl 1 year ago
i understand.
hallstromfineart 1 year ago
it must be subtitled! it's beautiful!
gfnool 1 year ago
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gfnool 1 year ago
Rothko is GOD!
Lorbrulgrud 1 year ago
theloonymango, It's not about how difficult it is to make the painting, it's how you feel when in the presence of of these works. They are overwhelming.
dontkillthellama 1 year ago
I love Rothko's powerfull style. He was simply a master in colour field painting. Professor Schama did a great job!
fantasmica 1 year ago
So many pretentious twats on the internet...
filmedbyfelix 1 year ago 2
@filmedbyfelix skaters, mimicking 70s skaters, the most
sclapione 5 months ago
@sclapione "mimicking 70s skaters" ??
filmedbyfelix 5 months ago
you don't understand nothing! try again! really...
ana89C 1 year ago
you don't understand NOTHING. try again, really...
ana89C 1 year ago
what is the song at the beginning again?
qtalkwithkandp 1 year ago
un grandissimo artista, tra i più grandi di tutti i tempi
12adorno 1 year ago
When I wipe my ass I make better art than this fag. What a cunt. Glad he killed himself. What a jackass.
kittykgirl 1 year ago
@kittykgirl
you know what they say "kittykgirl"?
modern art= I could do that + YEAH but you didn't.
i strongly agree and i believe almost everybody here.
zappataratm00 1 year ago
@kittykgirl Dream On, people like you don't understand his art, is more like it. Something ADHD would be more appropriate.
sclapione 5 months ago
i agree. i like the more academic style more than contemporary works. however, I think that the creative process in contemporary works isn't in the actual production of many of these works (at least as much as was in the past) but more in the revolutionary concepts behind why they were doing what they were doing. it was about simplifying objects and some artists wanted to rid art of the object all together.
tankgirl211 1 year ago
@tankgirl211 Not only, some are about certain ways of experiencing art, which doesn't neccesarily have much to do with concept
sclapione 5 months ago
schama isnt even an art historian.. his dphil wasnt art based... im dubious... surely someone better qualified could have presented?
jrr1234567890 1 year ago
I watched this with a friend of mine who doesn't really know about art, and she thought that Francis Bacon was a boy Schama was checking out at the gallery :O
Thanks for posting. I'll just add, anyone who enjoys this documentary should try and find Mark Rothko: A Biography by the late James E. Breslin. It is a fantastic book.
uncleadolf 1 year ago
fuck you you stupid windbag simon schama. you are a self righteous fool who tries too hard to seem important and really all youre doing is regurgiating what the masses consensus is about rothko. i love rothko but you missed the point beyond all recognition. you cant explain rothko. you must be quiet, open and just look.
now shut the fuck you lame piece of english shit.
Nurit9 1 year ago
@Nurit9 *looks at faves* Hipsters should generally shut the fuck up
Grow a Beard and look at your pube-crystals, sweetie
sclapione 5 months ago
I think people trying to justify modern art are just scared to say the emperor has no clothes. Not saying they aren't great artists, but great art? It's just not beautiful.
masterfeatherpen 1 year ago
@masterfeatherpen No, I love modern art, NOTHING to do with "scared to say the emperor has no clothes" WHATSOEVER ! ridiculous . . . . People experience art differently, people also have different cultural contexts AND intellectual ones . . . . to say one is just scared to say is far too simplistic.
sclapione 5 months ago
Oh fuck off Schama. I thought this was a documentary about Rothko, not some egotistical twat of a presenter. Oooh, did you inhale Simon. Grow up.
Alimantado91 1 year ago
2:36 oh you cheeky man LOL! Simon rocks
anikinippon 1 year ago
Anyone know the name of the score at 5:48?
Thanks!
JohnCDalure 1 year ago
watching this series, it's interesting to note that great western painting, up to the modern era, was mostly representational with very little jewish participation. which makes sense since they're laws forbade "graven images". with the shift from form to process in the 19C suddenly jewish artists dominated the art world. The unfortunate result is that painting (which used to be the cultural equivalent of cinema) is irrelevant to everyone but a few dealers and critics in NY & london.
WikeddTung 1 year ago
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Fuck American Art, they will never be as useful as Bernini or Ruben Raphael, nor Goya this were real artist
Blutstrupfs 1 year ago
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toymachineskater93 1 year ago
Am a fan of Schama and Rothko, but the "wham...SCHZAMM!" made me giggle.
AvaPozen 2 years ago
i am an artist. so if you like art you should check out my video.
N8wood1 2 years ago
i am an artist. so if you like art you should check out my video.
N8wood1 2 years ago
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Rubbish
mellowtribe 2 years ago
Thank You, Simon. This is valuabe material. More than I would have learnt had I been watching TV and chaps in baseball caps, complaining in the manner of - I assume - most of the above.
Alexoflondon 2 years ago 20
@Alexoflondon "More than I would have learnt had I been watching TV and chaps in baseball caps, complaining in the manner of - I assume - most of the above."
*quietly snorting*
sclapione 5 months ago
Simon lost me w/the WWII flashbacks...drama queen. Just show the art. The young Simon`s a bore as well. Is this about Rothko or him?
bagoona 2 years ago
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Alimantado91 1 year ago
it's about the experience of Rothko's art, it is only shown to elevate his point more and put a context too what Rothko lived through. All of the raw emotion Rothko illustrated through his paintings are a never ending response to the human condition, and quite specifically all the bad (mostly) he and others of his time lived through. and being that simon experienced at that time in his life, and felt this, it adds to his point.
27rg27 1 year ago
yes, please, suggest to us modern artists what you would have us do. We need guidance from the youtube board of aesthetic criticism.
dhype3 2 years ago 2
LMAO Excellent. give the shit right back to these pukes. Thank you.
stinkriverstudios 2 years ago
@dhype3 "dhype3 liked a video (8 months ago) Radiohead - In Limbo"
Maybe start there ... Away from "arty" Dadrock ?
sclapione 5 months ago
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modern art is so boring... not much to see. But it is interesting for the brain. You see something really boring in a museum then the challenge is to convince yourself it's good and has something to say when it dosent !!! it's all blablabla... just like the rest...
riwa123 2 years ago
Only to the intellectually challenged.
jojaroyd 2 years ago
does anybody know whose is the song being played during the titles??
zappataratm00 2 years ago
beethoven's moonlight sonata
headington78 2 years ago
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kraiggrady 2 years ago
I have watched this documentary before but I want to watch it again. Definitely recommend it to any Visual Art teacher!
Cr3ativity 2 years ago 8
thank you so much for this! so glad you posted! :))
TheMoira1 2 years ago
watched this in a class trying to cite it and get exact quotes ugh =.=
amieyellow 2 years ago
Love Schama's work, but that was laying it on bit thick with the montage ending near 5:20.
wyglop 2 years ago
those guys are not being very careful with his murals...bumpin' into shit!
chandru1103 2 years ago
theloonymango, your account should be deleted for that comment
2245DRUMMER 2 years ago 3
i agree
tavokoti 2 years ago
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i'm not an art critic but i like carvagio and rembrandt's paintings better......cuz i think anyone can paint like rothko....well that's just me ;o))))
theloonymango 2 years ago
Maybe you should try then? Anyway: Rothko has already done it. You have to come up with something own.
(This is my first comment ever on these clips. Stunning.)
naughtycopycat 2 years ago 8
@naughtycopycat
Ooh I have tried and believe me it is nearly impossible. You can recreate the shapes but you cant recreated the colors and since "colors" are rothko's "actors" you won't be able to create images as transcending as Rothko's. It really requires layer upon layer upon layer upon layer (etc) of paint to get close to the deep and remarkable colors Rothko makes. Better try for yourself then you'll understand what I mean.
Fangornmmc 1 year ago
@naughtycopycat
i do believe i am intitaled to my own opinion.
theloonymango 1 year ago
"Paint like rothko" Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
bagoona 2 years ago
Yep, it's like looking at a Rembrandt and saying "Big deal, anyone can paint a portrait." Or an Ansel Adams, "Anyone can take a picture."
graphichic 2 years ago 9
well, no one does.
FloK25021988 2 years ago
I think perhaps you wouldn't think that if you saw the paintings in person. They are alive. Neither have you truly seen a Van Gogh until you see it up close and personal. It's unfortunate, but a lot of the modern art just doesn't translate at the small size of a book, no matter how high the print quality, or a computer screen for that matter. To truly see a Rothko, you have to hang out with it for a while.
graphichic 2 years ago
@theloonymango A lot of people feel that way but i think you just have to be an artist to fully understand what this man did...he was one of the last painters of all time...he was a genuis.
theTriceyShow 1 year ago
@theloonymango how can you even compare Rothko to Carvagio & Rembrandt...you can't! They are COMPLETELY different styles...& time periods.
kshannon88 1 year ago
@theloonymango i love how ;people who have no knowledge of art and design say their three year old can do it...but....i'd like to see them ry
fabfashionista13 1 year ago
@theloonymango you have to see rothko up close. i was of the same opinion (although david instead of rembrant) but rothko is powerful
hac3muyfri0 1 year ago
@theloonymango So then go paint like him...
digitalbeachwar 1 year ago
@digitalbeachwar I'm don't want to go on too much about a man people obviously admire and respect, but I don't think your threat, in this case, has the impact you may think it has - the idea of painting blocks of color isn't that daunting to most people. I think you'd be better off saying "well go and see if you can earn the money and recognition he has." Now that would be difficult.
nookie077 1 year ago
@nookie077 My comment wasn't a "threat". It's a suggestion. And I will have to disagree with "the idea of painting blocks of color isn't that daunting to most people." But I do agree with "well go and see if you can earn the money and recognition he has." Though my comment has nothing to do with making money nor fame. A recap of the comments below. theloonymango- "...cuz i think anyone can paint like rothko...."
digitalbeachwar- "@theloonymango So then go paint like him..."
digitalbeachwar 1 year ago
@digitalbeachwar You're are correct - your comment was an instruction; a threat it was not. Sorry about that, but I think (hope) you get my point. Anyway, I don't say that in order to continue discussions on a topic we clearly disagree on. I just wanted to clear up things regarding my misinterpretation of you comment.
nookie077 1 year ago
@nookie077 No worries Nook. And yes, I understand your point. A very valid one at that. :)
digitalbeachwar 1 year ago
@theloonymango you are missing the point entirely! this is not about technical ability. It is so incredibly beside the point. I am not arguing against rembrandt or carravagio, they are both brilliant painters. But Rothko's brilliance lies in the way his paintings are. They live and breathe, they have a pulse. Standing in front of his paintings has nothing to do with appreciating his technique, but his unbelieveable ability to give his paintings life. No one but him has yet done this.
TheParanoidAndroid1 1 year ago
@TheParanoidAndroid1 Very well stated, Marvin
Trund27 1 year ago
@theloonymango
you are an ass, go get a coloring book.
leatherteeth 1 year ago
@theloonymango i agree, art should be about life, this is junk
2505994 1 year ago
@2505994 And this is not life? Come on, how documentaries do you see about Rothko? Not many I think. Good for him.And good for Rothko. No?
spactick 1 year ago
@2505994 No. Junk is, the absolute shit you have uploaded. Are people like you for real ?
sclapione 5 months ago
@sclapione well, the shit i uploaded is not art in any way, they have nothing to do with rotho's paintings
i thing they are completly stupid compared to michelangelo, carvagio, goya, dali...
and if you like true art, go watch movies like there will be blood or pan's labyrinth or read dostoevsky, or painters i have mentioned above
2505994 5 months ago
Socialist! I find it hard to appreciate all Art but as an artist I appreciate the fact that it doesn't matter if I "get it" or not and it is up to me to find out more. Wow that sounds like I can educate myself. Why should we as a race accommodate in all areas for the lowest common denominator i.e. The uneducated. Lifes not fair and we should never compensate in any way for the shortcomings of others when it comes to the pursuit of the next big idea.
GunsObanion 2 years ago
On a positive note the Moonlight Sonata is pure gold however.
automony666 2 years ago
Ok sorry for the numerous posts but the letter limit is shorter than this guy sucks...
I say all this because i really feel some people are not honest just following the herd. Its not hip to say you like this just because modern art gurus say you're a caveman if you dont.
Forget about everything, forget about his name about his fame about his life about everything just look at whats in front of you and admit to yourself there is nothing left.
Best.
PS: Thumbdown me i BEG you, or i'll sulk.
automony666 2 years ago
@automony666 Not everyone says yes and amen, just to be a part of the herd ..... please, what rubbish. I'd say anyone that is a colournut will love or understand Rothko.
Oh, you were the Radiohead fan .... lol ... vampire weekend .... Sorry, to be "elitist" but I doubt someone who is into generic arty dadrock would "get it".
sclapione 5 months ago
If at 47 my greatest piece was something like Magenta, Black, Green on Orange i think i would kill myself... ...wait.
If we're going to stay in the realms of modern art even Mondrian is a genius in comparison but thats only not to mention Sargent Fechin Repin Levitan Tissot Corot Trouillebert Klimt Degas Payne Moran Leyendecker Velasquez Innes Diebenkorn Perrier etc etc etc
automony666 2 years ago
Some idiot said about negative opinions: "But it's an opinion that is like saying that a piece of classical music is 'just a bunch of noises" Excuse me sir but no just NO who the fuck do you think you are to claim Rothko is like "some piece of classical music". His work is void, no skills, no compositions, no designs, no narrative, no skill (for emphasis), just empty generally monochromatic canvases, one trick pony meets oil paints...
automony666 2 years ago
Ok what the fuck is it im not understanding here exactly?
This artist sucks.. rotten eggs and beyond measure!
Now maybe all the featherbrained praise is ironic but that would suprise me a little, this said if its NOT, then that would surprise me a LOT. Seriously people wtf? This is just large canvas entirely covered in one same color!! It makes you feel great? Cool, it makes you jizz? AWESOME but for heaven's sake dont praise the guy as a great artist.
automony666 2 years ago