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  • What song this?

  • damn, just a few Terminators from Skynet and the nazis could have won... oh well, can't always count on futuristic time travel contingencies :(

  • Close tt 100,000 German soldiers surrendered at Stalingrad in Jan 1943. Approximately 5,008 ever saw Germany again. Amongst them, my cousin, only after 9 years in a Russian Gulag.

  • @ernstbecker1 wow! it was proof they should have fought to the end, minus the 4000+ that made it back like your cousin! just how many more might have survived if they fell back earlier fighting along the collapsing front...

    with over 90,000 captured most all of them were pretty much murdered, walked to death, starved and worked to death, frozen, etc... Stalin is the number two kill in history after Mao, but i wonder if Hitler could have taken that spot had he won

  • @glorp896 I forgot about Uncle Joe Stalin and Mao. WW II's most notorious -- Stalin was alledged to have killed over 50 million of his own people, Tito with 25 million, and Adolf Hitler with 6.5. million. Pol Pot, GOD only knows how many he murdered? They were and remain History's most diabolical scum that ever walked the Erath.

  • @ernstbecker1 your numbers are wildly wrong, except to say the estimates of an honest scholarly nature are also quite wild and of expansive ranges:

    The total democide of all parties in Yugoslavia turns out to be 1,515,000 to 4,805,000 people, of which 1,230,000 to 3,425,000 of them were killed during the war... i have the link for this range if u want it...

    your hitler number is WAY low... pol pot keeps getting the 2 million mark in my many readings...

  • @glorp896 RJ Rummel says:

    As for Stalin, when the holes in Robert Conquest’s estimates are filled in, I calculate that Stalin murdered about 43,000,000 citizens and foreigners

    The figure of 20 million comes from the book by Robert Conquest, "The Great Terror: Stalin’s Purge of the Thirties" Thus we get a figure of 20 million dead, which is almost certainly too low and might require an increase of 50 percent or so, as the debit balance of the Stalin regime for twenty-three years...

  • @glorp896 I didn't know that you were a statistical computer.

  • @ernstb1 i'm better at remembering numbers than quotes... years of studying baseball and football stats and memorizing them served me well, thats american football

    then on to more despicable numbers, body counts, which have the quite often bias of the times as winners of war write history and those in need of sympathy and that try to get it raise their own body counts in a victim status while those defeated or badly wounded that want to maintain a perception of strength lie about #s downward

  • @glorp896 The stats were based on the German Army's Order of Battle. The strength levels of the German Army were based on Corps, Army, Divison, Regiment, Brigade, Company, Platoon, and Squad levels. In would be correct to say they died in the millions.

  • @ernstbecker1 sorry about lack of editing in previous posts

    i've always wondered about this: just exactly what u say; how could there be debate as far as combat deaths?, it was so organized... its the civilian death that is the most debatable as this war is given the historical note of being the first where more civilians died than combatants... i'm not sure i believe this... many dying in the camps were simply captured soldiers, massive encirclements during Barbarossa, millions

  • @glorp896 The debate continues. The German Army's "Order of Batte" gave unit strength, regardless of size. Once the particular unit was under strength -- it ceased to combat effective; hence, had to be either reinforced or replaced.

  • @ernstbecker1 some of these numbers i know and some i copy-pasted upon research to reference it for you... and how can any of us really know when we are just playing guessing games with a wide range...

    of all great inhumanities we reach for the goal of humanizing people as more than just a number but an even greater tragedy is that in these mass wars so many are not even counted by a number!

  • @glorp896 WW II wasn't a mass war. It had to be fought. I can only image what would have happened had Hitler and his cronies won.

  • @ernstbecker1 hitler could have taken Stalin's number two spot as the most deadly figure in human history behind Mao

  • about 4/10 of those casualties were because stalin said no on retreats or is shot. So most men retreated and the comissioners shot those who retreated. Besides they didn't have a lot of weapons in that battle so don't blame the germans blame stalin ( not that hes a bad man).

  • @countyworker Dude, Stalin WAS a bad man. He was responsible for more deaths then even Hitler.

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  • @ArmeniacradleofCiv how? :S

  • @thewrightbrotherz They fought from the Russian side by percentage more Armenians were send then any other soviet union states Including Russia.

  • @ArmeniacradleofCiv How so? Please explain.

  • @ArmeniacradleofCiv That's a bizarre conclusion.

  • @Tokopol You dont make sense to Anything I said?

  • @ArmeniacradleofCiv No, YOU don't make sense. Half a million Armenians may have died in the genocide, but not Stalingrad.

  • @Tokopol You Dumbass go search it up 500,000 Armenians were sent to Stalingrad as Soldiers because we were part of Soviet Union And we were forced. My Grandmahs Father went when he was 50 years old and had 4 kids so.. that explains it

  • @ArmeniacradleofCiv My god, you are a moron. Let me break it down for you slowly.

    300k to 500k Armenians served in the WHOLE WAR, not one single battle. Less than 500k Soviets died at Stalingrad altogether, and there's no way they were all Armenians so your statement is factually impossible. Second, you're changing the shit you're saying. You said 500k died, then said 500k served -- it's one or the other.

  • @Tokopol Your stupid whats this from Wikipedia I can change those numbers to 10 million if you want fucking moron Go get a book or show some evidence before you open your mouth and Armenians Didn't serve during the whole war they Were brought in during Stalingrad fucking idiot

  • @ArmeniacradleofCiv Armenia was part of the USSR, so Armenians served from the beginning to the end. No nationality was just brought in for one battle -- that's as stupid as it sounds. And, cite your own sources if you're so sure your bullshit is true.

  • @Tokopol if you know anything how a military runs they didn't Fucking mix up the battalions you idiot. It wasnt fucking America where they sent mail and you would go a few days later they knocked your door looked for any men any age and they took you and they took everyone Wikipedia is a ton of shit i hope u no that

  • @ArmeniacradleofCiv I'm not talking about battalions. I'm talking about divisions, corps, and armies. You're just veering off on tangents that have nothing to do with the argument. When did I say people were summoned with mail and door knocks? When did I cite Wikipedia? Are you just imagining things I said and then responding to them?

  • @Tokopol Yea So If I just got picked out im obviously not going to serve along a Azeribaijani or a georgian because we are enemys thats why they were sent seperatly and Your information is based off Wikipedia

  • @ArmeniacradleofCiv Not in the same battalion, no. When we're talking about the corps-sized units fighting in WWII, it's a bunch of smaller units under a general who was usually Russian. Since most schools taught Russian as a second language -- and Russian was the language of the government and military -- nationalities were secondary. Stalingrad wasn't decided by a few battalions. It was decided by fronts and armies. And for the second time, I never cited Wikipedia.

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  • @Tokopol Well the bloodiest battles were Leningrad and Stalingrad 500,000 men out of a 1 million 200 thousand is alot. and the genocide was in world war 1 not world war 2.

  • @ArmeniacradleofCiv I never said it wasn't a lot. I was simply correcting your cartoonish numbers. I never said the genocide was during WWII either, and I'm aware of when it took place. You keep responding to things I never actually typed. Why is that?

    I'll confess to you that I'm fond of Armenia. They were robbed and butchered by the Turks and Kurds, yet they managed to survive. I like their women, their wine, and their brandy too -- but I've never met an Armenian like you.

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  • The most deadliest and most fearsome battle in all of history. God Bless those men. A true definition of a Hero. On Both sides.

  • I find it rather amazing how these two, essentially COLLECTIVIST ideologies clashed so violently with one-another (mostly at the behest of the Nazis), since there was not much difference between them politically or economically. One was a nationalist system, and the other was international. Besides that, there was very little to differentiate them.

  • @yohannbiimu In the 20's at a beer hallJoseph Goebells said the Nazis were just like the Communist with slight differences and ( not exact words) and everyone there started a riot so he didn't say itmlike that anymore.

    Have you ever seen the documentary called The Soviet Story its really good check it out it shows how Hitler stole all ideas from Stalin and even the Soviets came showed Nazis how to run Camps and other stuff

  • Joseph Stalin wasn't fighting. Brave Russian man were fighting.

  • @Htogrom, i agree stalin would'nt have quoted "Not one step back" if his own ass was on the line, he was a man that was willing to risk the lives of his own countrymen, but not his own, a true piece of garbage.

  • @Htogrom Both sons of J. Stalin were on front, under fire. One of them (the youngest) was even grabbed by fascists.

  • @RoyalSuslo Really? Was he deported to Gulag when he returned to Russian line?

    If many thousands were deported with excuse that they became agents of Nazis during captivity, why couldn't his son be deported?

  • fuck you

  • call of duty finnest hour have some missions in stalingrad,and for me they are the best!

  • @GameRock123 Craig Armstrong - Escape

  • im british and if it wasnt for russia id be speaking german so thanks to all you russians :)

  • @nathan96berry but it is nice to speak another languages :))

  • @hassickthere well yeh its nice to speak other languages but out of your own choice :):)

  • It's kinda sad that Stalin's whole army barely defeat the Nazis.. :(

  • compare Hitler and Stalin, i think they are both facists. 

  • what is the song called?

  • what song was at 3:10?

  • R.I.P all fallen Soldiers.

  • 3:27--That tank was designed in 1960-1970 )

  • schade deutschland alles ist vorbei!!

    

  • Oh sure Stalin got his city back but at the cost of millions of USSR soldiers lying in the street. Actually the truth is that USSR overwealmed Germany in Salingrad and gaind a victroy like that. USSR had the biggest army in the world in that time but their army was poorly equiped and poorly trained. You would of thought that Hitler would of learnd from Nopoleon that never attack Russia and deff not attack it so close to winter time. Mistake after mistake lead Germany to loose the war

  • @spartanwarrier Yes, yes, Stalin was nothing but a dumbass who due to luck and the cost of million soldiers, defeating German army and there was nothing so glorious in Stalingrad. People should looking at US victories and admire it, talking about it instead of this boring city. Is that what you mean ?

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  • @aclock2 uhhhh no not exaclty. Stalin wasnt a idiot. He industrailized Russia and made it what it is today due to his 5 year plan. He also improved the health of the commen man and made everyone equal which im not going to say is either good or bad becasue its a matter of opinion. Stalin was just perinoid. Dont know what you mean by your comment but it sounds like your mocking me. But at the end we all played a part in bringing down Germany in WW2 but its the Pacfic war were U.S is known for.

  • @spartanwarrier I'm glad to see that you are not another anti-commie American idiot. Stalin wasn't perfect for sure but nobody could deny his contribution to Russia or this world.

  • @spartanwarrier but let us not forget that Stalin is FAAAAAAAARRR worser than Hitler Stalin is estimated to have killed around 60 million he invented the KGB and belive me they were faaaaar worse than Gestapo i live in Bulgaria it was an ally of the Soviet Union ( not part of it ) and we had KGB here too and they followed and spied each and every rich person so they can say to the communist he is talking something against them and get his house and everything

  • @bob4o99 Wow Wow Wow first 60 million is way over exagerated. Stalin is responsible for the deaths of over 20 million people. Use logic on that figure of 60M during that time. 2nd the KGB is just like the CIS. A secret orginization thats above the set rules of a state. If you really want to play the blame game then Hitler is responsible for causing WW2 and could be blamed for the lives lost not only in the death camps but the mass deaths happend in Poland and in Russia as well.

  • @spartanwarrier The Soviet was actually on the brink of invading other parts of Europe at the start of WW2. This is evidenced by the Soviet being caught unprepared when attacked by German forces at the start of Operation Barbarossa. I mean the reason they were caught unprepared was not because they were such a nice guy foolishly trusting the treaty will protect them, but because they were actually preparing an invasion of their own and did not expect to be attacked.

  • @william7476 Some what correct. Look I dont want to debate on whose the "nice guy" and "bad guy" Stalin didn't expect a attack from Hitler. That is in pretty much every reliable source you can get your hands on. I been studying the History of Russia for 5 years. 2 of it was spent on the Soviet Union and the mental mind of Stalin. I know what Stalin did and im not going to write a 5 paragraph essey to explain it. History is History and nothing your goin to say will change it. Waist of time

  • @spartanwarrier To be unbiased is the best way to learn history. I mean what's point of learning history when you're simply taking sides.

  • Germany = nazis

    Russia = nazis

    where are the problem?

  • @necmi19 i belive youve got this wrong

    Germany = Nazis

    Russia = USSR = commies

    Russia was against the nazis

  • fairly inaccurate, but I appreciate the work involved ;-)

  • Stalingrad and Lenningrad are 2 different citys Lenningrad is St Petersburg while Stalingrad is Volgograd

  • @thewrightbrotherz thanks for rectificating

    I didn't know that Stalingrad is Volgograd(i didn't go deep on the subject)

  • @thewrightbrotherz wats the name of the song?

  • In loving memory to all Bulgar, Chuvash and Bashkir Turks who died for russian interests.

  • soviet union great ! from viet nam

  • hitler fucked up when he attacked Stalingrad

  • nah he didnt he fucked up when he split up his army and took away some armor and tanks from the 6th armor to attack the oil field ... even though the 6th army was still strong as shit... if he didnt split his army... who knows what today would be like... thank god he did :)

  • Good video. Thankyou.

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  • what dose that mean?

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