The captain was a fool. Most compotent commanders would not have gone on suicide missons without orders to do so. Unfortunately, he just HAD to satisfy his own ego by engaging a ship that was WAY beyont the Valiant's weight class and it cost him and his crew their lives.
Captain Waters was a fool. He let the fact that theyre red squad cloud his judgement and made him think that they could do the impossible, Nog was right in the end he was a BAD captain.
Why they lost this battle is a toss up between the captain's idiocy and the fact that the people who design all Federation ships are idiots. You'd be safer on a 19th century warship, what with the exploding computers, lack of seat belts, reactor core that can be taken out with a shotgun, and weapons with the range of a World War II battleship.
Um, you can only stop so much with a surge protector.
"lack of seat belts"
Granted
"reactor...taken out with a shotgun"
The Defiant has a shield over its reactor. It in fact needs that to keep it from roasting anyone in the room alive.
"weapon ranges"
Trek visuals are always closer and slower than what they actually are. The ships are typically engaging at hundreds, typically thousands of kilometers. Listen to the dialogue sometime. And moving at .25-70c.
@Hellblade8 -You could drop a nuke on a modern destroyer and vaporize it, but you'll never manage to make the consoles explode in the manner of Star Trek. Computers don't blow up. Occasionally a Li-Ion battery will burst into flames, but there are no C4-style explosions. If the power grid is that horribly designed, it should be replaced with a 21st century one.
-Picard specifically warns his crew about hitting the warp core with phaser rifles, as that will destroy the ship.
@Hellblade8 I never mentioned speed. In this case, the ship was clearly within 100 meters, the CO specifically said to get extremely close, as in less than 1 ship's width close, and they need to get even closer to lock on torpedoes and fire them.
I have listened to the dailogie of other episodes, which show ships closing within a few kilometers. It makes sense from an entertainment perspective, not a military one.
1} cadets on a training mission in one of Star Fleets most powerful star ships? Why weren't they training in a Miranda
2} All of the adult officers died? All of them ? Yeah right.
3} Nog should have taken over. He's a commissioned officer of ensign rank. Your going to tell me that the cadet capt wouldn't relinquish command to a Lt, Lt Cmndr, Cmndr, or even a Capt ? Again, yeah right.
1. Red Squad was experimental project, that will give special training to top cadets (like cadet Top Gun project). Nog explain that in "Paradise Lost" episode.
2. There were 7 or 9 officers, who where engaged in battle with Cardasian ship. Bad luck... :)
3. By military rules, you are right. But Nog worship Red Squad (again "Paradise Lost" episode), and this is main reason why he disobey rules.
When I was 19, I was in war. Now with 38 I will not repeat some actions I made :)
Since we're speculating about fiction. Why are we here justifying one choice over the other. I'm sure there are more powerful ships out there that did go home instead of fighting.
Glorious but pointless. I agree, he ought to have returned to base with the data. What a waste. However, that was the point of the story and DS9 was always the trek that showed the warts of the federation universe and keep it real.
If that cadet skipper was worth his stripes he would've headed that ship back home ASAP. The job of every captain is to look after his ship and crew, not jerk around on some glory-hound mission! besides. they actually went rogue with Starfleet's most powerful battleship, dropping off the grid for weeks, during war time! This is desertion at best and treason at worst. In a modern navy, they would all be court martialed and probably jailed.
@MrEric177 Desertion? They were trapped behind dominion line at the outbreak of the war. Besides, they did what they were trained to do. Yes, the attempt to destroy the battleship was futile, but what they did was heroic. They did what any good Starfleet officer would have done, and in that they exemplify the finest traditions of Starfleet. God rest theire souls.
I'm really sorry to have to break this reality to you but absolutely nothing the Red Squad did in that episode exemplified the true honors and traditions of a good Starfleet officer. Their actions was not heroic at all. Not only did they lose so much from this, but they ended up giving the advantage to their enemies. What do you suppose the Dominion engineers will do when they build another battleship and repair the one that the Valiant failed to destroy?
They should'nt of even attempted this in the first place. The Valiant was allready damaged porior to this. The Captain had his head up his ass. He was a fool and it was his foolishness that got him, his crew and his ship destroyed. Even Jake told them than his dad and the crew of the Defiant would'nt of tired this without the help of a few more ships but they were to ignorant to listen.
I sort thought they got what they deserved in the end for there over confidence and ego trip. What makes them better because there were Red squad. And why was they out there for 8 months . They should have return to earth. Instead of fighting a one ship war, How did they resupply there weapons and food etc? The arrogance of the first office was annoying. And the way they treated sisko for saying his father wouldnt have taken on a misson they trying pull off.
I read a short story called the voyage of Karen Farris(she the cute blond commander) that shows a different out come in an alternate time line its Chief O'Brien not Nog who accompanies Jake with his help the valiant is victorious Karen goes on to have a great career where her boy friend Tim Waters is kicked out of Star Fleet for not returning the Valiant and is killed some months later as a grunt with the Federation Marine corp in a failed attempt to retake Betazed.
O officeress of the people, servant of the people, give me my honor. Pray let me take you in my arms and kiss you, if we are to die we die in each others' arms. Never before have I seen thee, but once is enough to pledge my dying breath. I go to the future lost to my family in this time and knowing I shall die there on that ship, if only...
While it is a rookie move to overestimate oneself and your own abilities, don't forget that these red squad people believed they were fighting for their homes. If they were fighting solely for pride or whatever, it would be different story.
I mean, the Jem'haddar (spelled wrong i know) would have gladly killed them and everyone they had ever known. They did what soldiers do, push on and kill the enemy.
@dishboy216,sorry they wanted to be heroes. Like Magneto says in X Men, the young & the Brave are the first to die. I personally call it the Aquilles Complex, being remember for 1,000 years for somothing we could have chosen not to do.
@dishboy216 I agree. He was no hero, but an arrogant fool who got everyone killed for nothing; sometimes a hopeless fight is heroic, but this was suicide. This wasn't some last stand of the Alamo, there was no need to do what he did. Someone (that Vulcan crewman, probably!) should have pulled a USS Pegasus, drawn a phaser on him and ordered them home. Also, I think the guy was lying about the dying captain's "final orders" too... he made that up to stay in charge!
@dishboy216 I agree... and real soldiers also know how to spell THE FEDERATION, without misspelling EGO, or ARROGANT..... excellent information that The Ferret Nation could have used.
what were they thinking...they got there butts kicked because they thought they could win....like me in a P51 mustang D, and I fight an F22 Raptor.....and try to win....
But really...what an absurd plot. Lets put a bunch of cadets in a Star Fleet warship. Not only a warship but one of the most advanced warships, too. Why weren't they in an older vessel or maybe a Runabout? And why were they so far from earth? It's not like the Dominion was at Wolf 359 which is right next to Earth. WTF is that?
This episode was written for all the kiddies out there watching Trek. It shows what's to come...Voyager and Enterprise, yuck!
The ship shown here is the USS Valiant, another Defiant class ship which went missing on a training mission, that's why the crew are all cadets, except Nog who found them by accident.
I thought the first Defiant was given to the resistance in a mirror world episode and Cisco lied & said it was destroyed.
No actually. That was a completely different set of episodes. This was a show about a group of cadets that had been on a training mission. Their commander was killed and the cadets took over. They were killed because of bad choices made by the cadet in charge who thought his abilities were better than they actually were. It was a good one. Moral: kids need guidance.
I know the mirror episodes are different. There was a comment about how the different Valiant ships came around, and that particular one was built in that universe from stolen plans.
This ship was the prototype, and used for training purposes. And as is event, destroyed by a bunch of kids.
Actually, the USS Defiant was the prototype for Defiant Class ships. In the DS9 episode "The Search" the Defiant was first introduced, and was stated as an experimental prototype. The Valiant was a sister ship to Defiant, but since she was run by a bunch of kids, had for more issues and problems than the USS Defiant. In the Mirror Universe episode "Shattered Mirror" they build a Defiant class ship and simply call it "Defiant."
It could have worked since... IT'S NOT THE SIZE OF A DOG IN A FIGHT... BUT THE SIZE OF THE FIGHT IN THE DOG!
Gone in close and stayed there like a tick... blasting away and the soft under belly instead of zooming away where the enemy could have gotten a shot at them...
TO DIE CHOKING ON YOUR OWN BLOOD WITH YOUR EYES WIDE OPEN.
At 1:40 those must have been prototype or micro quantum torpedos because they were just not powerul enough to what we see every other episode or movie they are in.
And why put escape pods next to blue holes that can explode and destroy you lol. Definat class ships are brilliant. I wish I was in StarFleet lol.
I believe there arrogance and over confidence got them killed there captain and first officer were way out of there depth. And sort of Glad when that computer station blew up in that blondes face. Kind of justice really for being such b***h
Compared to most Federation ships it seems like the Defiant class can take a lot of punishment, I mean, sometimes it seems like Star trek ships will be disabled or destroyed if you look at them funny. this little ship took one hell of a pounding. It was in pieces before it finally went up.
Star trek is great because it tries to emphasize what makes us great as humans. Don't give up, keep fighting, one for all ,all for one, honour and valour.
To the fictional crew of the Valiant, i salute you!
That's because the Enterprise, Voyager, and most of the others are exploratory vessels. The Valiant is 100% war ship. It has quantum torpedos and a cloaking device, and it is extremely agile.
I have a saying..... if your ship can be hijacked, disabled or destroyed, don't bother sending it into war.
I know, i know....... such a high standard I have...... but wouldn't you agree that it's better to come in with superior fire-power and even cheat codes?
Oh yeah. I totally agree, thus why teh defaint class is really cool (except teh destroyed bit. By the way, has anyone noticed that teh federation has by far teh most powerful weapons, but nobody ever talks about it? I mean, they kick butt and that is so carefully danced around
Now teh romulans would never admit that, nor would the Klingons, but that is becauser thier honour system requires that thier heads are stuck so far up thier asses that they are in danger of choking on thier brains.
The Valiant does not have a cloaking device. The only Federation starship to have a legal cloaking device was the USS Defiant and the only reason it did was because the Romulans approved it in their alliance with the Federation during the Dominion War. Not all defiant class ships were built with cloaking devices.
personally i would have used some kind of evasion pattern on the way in. i also would have been firing every i had at that gigantic S.O.B. (pulses, beams, torpedoes every thing) just to soften it up for that attack on its sweat spot .
i mean they almost had it.
it look like it took a bit of an ass kickin of its own
I never got past why only the dumb brats lived when their instructors all died and why they stayed out in enemy space instead of heading back home like a smart person would have.
cause they're arrogant, the episode showed that. the cadet/captain LOVED his rank, and wanted to enjoy the feeling and power that he had on that starship that he would never have again..even if it meant his death.
Weren't they cut off from Starfleet at first? I was under the impression that they'd been trapped behind enemy lines at first & simply decided to keep doing the recon that the original crew had been doing. As for the cadet/captain, he was taking drugs in order to cope. & the rest of Red Squad was stressed to the max, so was it really arrogance on their part or was it something else?
ok, if you're a cadet and find yourself trapped behind the lines with this advanced starship and no starfleet guidance...the prudent and proper thing to do is return home or at least let Starfleet know. The Cadet Captain was following "his" orders, yes, but those orders were for an entirely different circumstance and it was not logical to continue as a bunch of students. They continued on their mission because of arrogance and pride, that is made very clear.
good job! that can be said for...every movie. every tv show. But both of those aim for a level of realism and explainability for the actions. Thus there is a reason for why they did what they did.
If I was in charge of that ship, we wouldve won, smoked cigars on the way home, and been laying on a beach banging betazoid chicks in a week. LOL Those kids sucked.
I'll never understand why every time someone dies in Star Trek, its from their console station blowing up in their face and flipping them over backwards.
Just once I'd like to see a phaser punch through the hull, cut into the bridge, and vaporize just like half of someone's body. Just half, leave the other half kinda sitting there.
Considering the plot that the ship was run by reckless, blind, selfish cadets, the music doesn't suit that clip. For the Defiant and Enterprise, yes, but not this crew. The only one worthy here were Nog and Jake.
I remember seeing this episode thinking, "this is gay, little kids can't run a starship" then they all died because of stupidity and it wasn't so bad.
Stupid cadets wasted a good ship, should have went went back to starfleet after there C.O. was killed, instead they got each other killed and wasted one of the federations best ships.
#FF
MrSieish 2 months ago
/watch?v=w5FmSmyHaCI pause at 2:40
MrSieish 2 months ago
Red Squad sucked. It was full of a bunch of pricks.
Hellblade8 4 months ago
Starfleet really needs to stop constructing bridge consoles out of explodium.
wildezword 5 months ago
Nog didn't die did he...? :(
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youneekk 9 months ago
red squad is the only starfleet guys i want to die utterly like they did here
nerfwarrior6349 9 months ago
take a scout against a battlewagon....epic fail!
Madcat151 10 months ago
The captain was a fool. Most compotent commanders would not have gone on suicide missons without orders to do so. Unfortunately, he just HAD to satisfy his own ego by engaging a ship that was WAY beyont the Valiant's weight class and it cost him and his crew their lives.
bwilliams232 11 months ago
Captain Waters was a fool. He let the fact that theyre red squad cloud his judgement and made him think that they could do the impossible, Nog was right in the end he was a BAD captain.
michaelhviper 11 months ago
Can u say worse desicion ever!
hoscat1999 11 months ago
@2:20 OWNED
LonelyWolf4269 11 months ago
the valiant is classified as an Escort vessel....not a capitol ship.....
ColonelFleet 1 year ago
He must have a Gene that Archer Had.
Pikachuforaiur 1 year ago
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Pikachuforaiur 1 year ago
What music is this?
michaelhviper 1 year ago
Its a good illustration of what happens when one falls under the sway of a charismatic demagouge...
MadMichigander1313 1 year ago 9
Why did u give them music, they don't deserve music!!!!!!!!!!!
asuch874 1 year ago 12
Why they lost this battle is a toss up between the captain's idiocy and the fact that the people who design all Federation ships are idiots. You'd be safer on a 19th century warship, what with the exploding computers, lack of seat belts, reactor core that can be taken out with a shotgun, and weapons with the range of a World War II battleship.
CobaltX07 1 year ago
@CobaltX07 woah. dont be calling Ben Siskko an idiot. he was the one who designed the Defiant class.
littlemegamonkey 1 year ago
@CobaltX07
"exploding consoles"
Um, you can only stop so much with a surge protector.
"lack of seat belts"
Granted
"reactor...taken out with a shotgun"
The Defiant has a shield over its reactor. It in fact needs that to keep it from roasting anyone in the room alive.
"weapon ranges"
Trek visuals are always closer and slower than what they actually are. The ships are typically engaging at hundreds, typically thousands of kilometers. Listen to the dialogue sometime. And moving at .25-70c.
Hellblade8 4 months ago
@Hellblade8 -You could drop a nuke on a modern destroyer and vaporize it, but you'll never manage to make the consoles explode in the manner of Star Trek. Computers don't blow up. Occasionally a Li-Ion battery will burst into flames, but there are no C4-style explosions. If the power grid is that horribly designed, it should be replaced with a 21st century one.
-Picard specifically warns his crew about hitting the warp core with phaser rifles, as that will destroy the ship.
CobaltX07 4 months ago
@Hellblade8 I never mentioned speed. In this case, the ship was clearly within 100 meters, the CO specifically said to get extremely close, as in less than 1 ship's width close, and they need to get even closer to lock on torpedoes and fire them.
I have listened to the dailogie of other episodes, which show ships closing within a few kilometers. It makes sense from an entertainment perspective, not a military one.
CobaltX07 4 months ago
here's a note if your in space never wear red
thunderbird654 1 year ago 2
One of the most ridiculous episode of DS9.
1} cadets on a training mission in one of Star Fleets most powerful star ships? Why weren't they training in a Miranda
2} All of the adult officers died? All of them ? Yeah right.
3} Nog should have taken over. He's a commissioned officer of ensign rank. Your going to tell me that the cadet capt wouldn't relinquish command to a Lt, Lt Cmndr, Cmndr, or even a Capt ? Again, yeah right.
Contrived writing.
fmscribs 1 year ago 2
Possible answers:
1. Red Squad was experimental project, that will give special training to top cadets (like cadet Top Gun project). Nog explain that in "Paradise Lost" episode.
2. There were 7 or 9 officers, who where engaged in battle with Cardasian ship. Bad luck... :)
3. By military rules, you are right. But Nog worship Red Squad (again "Paradise Lost" episode), and this is main reason why he disobey rules.
When I was 19, I was in war. Now with 38 I will not repeat some actions I made :)
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stupid fucking kids.
linksysrouted 1 year ago
Did they really waste six quantum torpedoes on a single Jem'Hadar attack ship at the end there?
Red Squad is just a bunch of snot-nosed brats.
Paragon19 1 year ago 2
Haha, Red"shirt" Squad.
SSPerfectChaos 1 year ago 4
I know. He should have followed orders.
MrCanadianComedian 1 year ago 2
Since we're speculating about fiction. Why are we here justifying one choice over the other. I'm sure there are more powerful ships out there that did go home instead of fighting.
Greatermaxim 1 year ago
wats the name of the espodie
cashman863152 1 year ago
Glorious but pointless. I agree, he ought to have returned to base with the data. What a waste. However, that was the point of the story and DS9 was always the trek that showed the warts of the federation universe and keep it real.
caper2x 1 year ago
nice vid,shame about the smurf music!!!that really kills it dead.......
MINIMOTOMADNESS 1 year ago
@MINIMOTOMADNESS
Smurf music? you're an idiot.....or you have a poor taste in music.
Bendyournoodle 1 year ago
@Bendyournoodle eat me you bollock juggler,
MINIMOTOMADNESS 1 year ago
@Bendyournoodle eat me you bollock juggler,go away and grow some ...........
MINIMOTOMADNESS 1 year ago
@MINIMOTOMADNESS
dumbass.....:P
Bendyournoodle 1 year ago
2:06 fucking goodnight
puq96 1 year ago
If that cadet skipper was worth his stripes he would've headed that ship back home ASAP. The job of every captain is to look after his ship and crew, not jerk around on some glory-hound mission! besides. they actually went rogue with Starfleet's most powerful battleship, dropping off the grid for weeks, during war time! This is desertion at best and treason at worst. In a modern navy, they would all be court martialed and probably jailed.
MrEric177 1 year ago 3
@MrEric177 Desertion? They were trapped behind dominion line at the outbreak of the war. Besides, they did what they were trained to do. Yes, the attempt to destroy the battleship was futile, but what they did was heroic. They did what any good Starfleet officer would have done, and in that they exemplify the finest traditions of Starfleet. God rest theire souls.
bherbie1121 1 year ago
@bherbie1121
I'm really sorry to have to break this reality to you but absolutely nothing the Red Squad did in that episode exemplified the true honors and traditions of a good Starfleet officer. Their actions was not heroic at all. Not only did they lose so much from this, but they ended up giving the advantage to their enemies. What do you suppose the Dominion engineers will do when they build another battleship and repair the one that the Valiant failed to destroy?
Coraxuss 1 year ago 4
always go down with ur ship
metalbloodworlf 1 year ago
Red Squad? More like DEAD Squad. Am I ryt?
pinoi78 1 year ago 5
awesome collection
hempoilsoldier 1 year ago
What I dont understand is that if Earth is supposed to be a Federation, or some Planets or WHAT-EV-AR, then why are the ships "USS"?
azz578 1 year ago
@azz578 - United Star\Space Ship.
vegeta002 1 year ago
@azz578 USS stands for United Star Ship.
MrEric177 1 year ago
They hit their target so I don't understand what went wrong lol.
boxa1500 2 years ago
They should'nt of even attempted this in the first place. The Valiant was allready damaged porior to this. The Captain had his head up his ass. He was a fool and it was his foolishness that got him, his crew and his ship destroyed. Even Jake told them than his dad and the crew of the Defiant would'nt of tired this without the help of a few more ships but they were to ignorant to listen.
NANOFORGE 2 years ago
@NANOFORGE - Some people just let power go to their head, and command of a Defiant is quite a bit of power.
Using drugs to stay awake for longer than a human is meant to probably didn't help things, either...
vegeta002 1 year ago
@boxa1500 - They probably made a mistake in their arrogance.
vegeta002 1 year ago
i think with better actors this would have been an amazing premis of a show seems everyone now days liketeen shows
krypter3 2 years ago
a ship full of gayass douchebags.
Refranng 2 years ago 2
You need to go away.
Carolynheels 1 year ago
I love watching the federation lose, sapien arrogance is getting pretty bad and it's satisfying to see some of the little bastards die.
btw the song is really good.
selsuru 2 years ago
sucks that the cute blonde dies.
faybase 2 years ago 2
I thought that. :-(
Firrboxfryup 2 years ago
ahah thats what i was just thinkingg :)
TOOHUMAN112 2 years ago
2:39 Still no cure for Acne in the 24th century. God help us!
Trancemad1984 2 years ago
And still using physical screens.
Spectralancer 2 years ago
LOLLL
TOOHUMAN112 2 years ago
it just proves that the legal age to pilot a starship should be bumped from 16 to 21 :)
Audioholics 2 years ago 6
I agree with you. I sometimes like to think of it as an anthem for Starfleet.
heavyarms01h 2 years ago
Red squad WAS lame yes,so was their captain and 1st officer
Geemonster69 2 years ago
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deep space nine was a boring show I found. but anything to do with the defiant was SICK! i loved it! and the space battles were SO WELL DONE!
milesness 2 years ago
red squad was lame.
stmk0 2 years ago 5
What episode is that?
nokiea5300 2 years ago
It's called 'Valiant'.
Lodatzor 2 years ago
I sort thought they got what they deserved in the end for there over confidence and ego trip. What makes them better because there were Red squad. And why was they out there for 8 months . They should have return to earth. Instead of fighting a one ship war, How did they resupply there weapons and food etc? The arrogance of the first office was annoying. And the way they treated sisko for saying his father wouldnt have taken on a misson they trying pull off.
kd84afc 2 years ago 7
The music is so wrong...Its too cheerful. This was a defeat not a victory.
holodock 2 years ago 2
r.i.p USS.Valiant crew
Techolover21 2 years ago
great video excellent job
jedinine 2 years ago
so touching FOR THE FEDERATION!!!
TRekkie122 2 years ago
at first i thought the Captain introduced the commander as Karen Paris not Karen Faris.
KaraLVRogueLZ 2 years ago
I read a short story called the voyage of Karen Farris(she the cute blond commander) that shows a different out come in an alternate time line its Chief O'Brien not Nog who accompanies Jake with his help the valiant is victorious Karen goes on to have a great career where her boy friend Tim Waters is kicked out of Star Fleet for not returning the Valiant and is killed some months later as a grunt with the Federation Marine corp in a failed attempt to retake Betazed.
mastermonarch 2 years ago
O officeress of the people, servant of the people, give me my honor. Pray let me take you in my arms and kiss you, if we are to die we die in each others' arms. Never before have I seen thee, but once is enough to pledge my dying breath. I go to the future lost to my family in this time and knowing I shall die there on that ship, if only...
Per facta non verba Fœderatio vivere.
By deeds not words lives the Federation.
Enryakuji12 2 years ago
lol, they were taken out like a Jem'Hader attack ship
nonamebrand0 2 years ago
While it is a rookie move to overestimate oneself and your own abilities, don't forget that these red squad people believed they were fighting for their homes. If they were fighting solely for pride or whatever, it would be different story.
I mean, the Jem'haddar (spelled wrong i know) would have gladly killed them and everyone they had ever known. They did what soldiers do, push on and kill the enemy.
Rayle75 2 years ago 3
Real soldiers follow orders and would have taken the information back to the fereration like they had orders to do.
That captian was no hero and killed his crew for his own eago.
He was aarogent and reckless, had he returned he could have provided alot of intel to the fereration on the dominion.
He screwed up.
dishboy216 2 years ago 62
@dishboy216,sorry they wanted to be heroes. Like Magneto says in X Men, the young & the Brave are the first to die. I personally call it the Aquilles Complex, being remember for 1,000 years for somothing we could have chosen not to do.
Wolfen443 1 year ago
@dishboy216 Like many officers in ww1 all about their imagined glory at the cost of those under their command in a pointless battle.
Imilko 1 year ago
@dishboy216 maybe he was a descendant of Archer.
littlemegamonkey 1 year ago
@dishboy216 I agree. He was no hero, but an arrogant fool who got everyone killed for nothing; sometimes a hopeless fight is heroic, but this was suicide. This wasn't some last stand of the Alamo, there was no need to do what he did. Someone (that Vulcan crewman, probably!) should have pulled a USS Pegasus, drawn a phaser on him and ordered them home. Also, I think the guy was lying about the dying captain's "final orders" too... he made that up to stay in charge!
BanjoOz 1 year ago
@dishboy216 I agree... and real soldiers also know how to spell THE FEDERATION, without misspelling EGO, or ARROGANT..... excellent information that The Ferret Nation could have used.
amerikano 11 months ago 2
@amerikano True
CptPicard832 11 months ago
@dishboy216 He was also a drug addict, so I would not trust his judgement if he were my commanding officer
05017351 10 months ago
red squad...pshhhhh...bunch of amateurs
nateacosta 2 years ago
this ship was not in a mirror world it was red squadrons flag ship the elites of star fleet academy. Good episode
othelo989 2 years ago
While I couldn't care less about a federation vessel this music reminds me of the loss of my family :( still it's a good piece of music.
selsuru 2 years ago
noooooooooooo.... not the cute girls!
PremusRed 2 years ago
That...went well.
Does the music sound way too upbeat to anyone else?
juventes 2 years ago
what were they thinking...they got there butts kicked because they thought they could win....like me in a P51 mustang D, and I fight an F22 Raptor.....and try to win....
ColonelFleet 2 years ago
rofl that wouldn't even be a fight... you would get blown up by a missle when you couldn't even see it
christiandarwinist 2 years ago
yea the thought they found a major weakness in the ship... and bet everything on that working, obiously it didnt go to plan
hpsly35 2 years ago
just enough time to make it to the escape pods BS!
FreeloaderUK 2 years ago
I'm glad they all died. Stupid kids.
But really...what an absurd plot. Lets put a bunch of cadets in a Star Fleet warship. Not only a warship but one of the most advanced warships, too. Why weren't they in an older vessel or maybe a Runabout? And why were they so far from earth? It's not like the Dominion was at Wolf 359 which is right next to Earth. WTF is that?
This episode was written for all the kiddies out there watching Trek. It shows what's to come...Voyager and Enterprise, yuck!
fmscribs 2 years ago 3
I thought the defiant was destroyed in the first battle against the breen
Finchy000 2 years ago
The ship shown here is the USS Valiant, another Defiant class ship which went missing on a training mission, that's why the crew are all cadets, except Nog who found them by accident.
I thought the first Defiant was given to the resistance in a mirror world episode and Cisco lied & said it was destroyed.
I dunno, it's a long time since I saw DS9
paspax 2 years ago
The ship is the mirror world was created from stolen plans, if I remember correctly.
Since the name of the ship is Valiant and it has the same name as the class of ship, this means it is the prototype.
AllAlone0 2 years ago
No actually. That was a completely different set of episodes. This was a show about a group of cadets that had been on a training mission. Their commander was killed and the cadets took over. They were killed because of bad choices made by the cadet in charge who thought his abilities were better than they actually were. It was a good one. Moral: kids need guidance.
fawdown 2 years ago 3
I know the mirror episodes are different. There was a comment about how the different Valiant ships came around, and that particular one was built in that universe from stolen plans.
This ship was the prototype, and used for training purposes. And as is event, destroyed by a bunch of kids.
AllAlone0 2 years ago
Ah I think I remember that, those cadets were from Red Squad right? They felt pretty elite.
blub2121 2 years ago 2
Actually, the USS Defiant was the prototype for Defiant Class ships. In the DS9 episode "The Search" the Defiant was first introduced, and was stated as an experimental prototype. The Valiant was a sister ship to Defiant, but since she was run by a bunch of kids, had for more issues and problems than the USS Defiant. In the Mirror Universe episode "Shattered Mirror" they build a Defiant class ship and simply call it "Defiant."
CapnE 2 years ago 5
It could have worked since... IT'S NOT THE SIZE OF A DOG IN A FIGHT... BUT THE SIZE OF THE FIGHT IN THE DOG!
Gone in close and stayed there like a tick... blasting away and the soft under belly instead of zooming away where the enemy could have gotten a shot at them...
TO DIE CHOKING ON YOUR OWN BLOOD WITH YOUR EYES WIDE OPEN.
Sacrafice of a few for the benefit of a many.
syntaur 2 years ago
At 1:40 those must have been prototype or micro quantum torpedos because they were just not powerul enough to what we see every other episode or movie they are in.
And why put escape pods next to blue holes that can explode and destroy you lol. Definat class ships are brilliant. I wish I was in StarFleet lol.
mbuckley18 2 years ago
I believe there arrogance and over confidence got them killed there captain and first officer were way out of there depth. And sort of Glad when that computer station blew up in that blondes face. Kind of justice really for being such b***h
kd84afc 2 years ago
Whenever a remarkable ship is built it always gets destroyed.
It's sad really
Anthaon 2 years ago
Arrogance got them killed. That and the meth monkey captain they had.
doubleg137 2 years ago 8
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kd84afc 2 years ago
tough little ship!
JulianneLapuz 2 years ago
little???
something Worf says...
BubiMandril 2 years ago
I'm not a huge Star Trek fan and sort of dip in and out, but this is a really superb video - with a great music choice. Thanks!
hikermatt 2 years ago
Compared to most Federation ships it seems like the Defiant class can take a lot of punishment, I mean, sometimes it seems like Star trek ships will be disabled or destroyed if you look at them funny. this little ship took one hell of a pounding. It was in pieces before it finally went up.
Star trek is great because it tries to emphasize what makes us great as humans. Don't give up, keep fighting, one for all ,all for one, honour and valour.
To the fictional crew of the Valiant, i salute you!
Rayle75 2 years ago
That's because the Enterprise, Voyager, and most of the others are exploratory vessels. The Valiant is 100% war ship. It has quantum torpedos and a cloaking device, and it is extremely agile.
solocitizen 2 years ago 2
I have a saying..... if your ship can be hijacked, disabled or destroyed, don't bother sending it into war.
I know, i know....... such a high standard I have...... but wouldn't you agree that it's better to come in with superior fire-power and even cheat codes?
(winning is everything!)
rkmugen 2 years ago
Oh yeah. I totally agree, thus why teh defaint class is really cool (except teh destroyed bit. By the way, has anyone noticed that teh federation has by far teh most powerful weapons, but nobody ever talks about it? I mean, they kick butt and that is so carefully danced around
Now teh romulans would never admit that, nor would the Klingons, but that is becauser thier honour system requires that thier heads are stuck so far up thier asses that they are in danger of choking on thier brains.
Rayle75 2 years ago
@rkmugen winning isn't everything, its the ONLY thing!
hamanu666 8 months ago
The Valiant does not have a cloaking device. The only Federation starship to have a legal cloaking device was the USS Defiant and the only reason it did was because the Romulans approved it in their alliance with the Federation during the Dominion War. Not all defiant class ships were built with cloaking devices.
davew0927 2 years ago
oh starfleet, when will you learn to build ships with consoles that don't explode?
muddykipz 2 years ago 4
lol yea in almost every star trek battle at least one console explodes
trekkie911 2 years ago
was the captain killed when his seat was thrown back? i was just wondering because it looked like he was.
trekkie911 2 years ago
everyone died except for Nog and Jake, OF COURSE!!!
Boy, we didn't see that coming? Gutless writers.
fmscribs 2 years ago 2
There was an engineer that Jake befriended. She lived, but everyone else died or had their escape pods shot down.
breacat 2 years ago 2
Everyone died except Jake and Nog.
Wow, I didn't see that coming did you? LOL
fmscribs 2 years ago 4
the most epic music ever, for a somewhat less than epic scene.
thatchica08 2 years ago
sounds like its from the movie Glory with Denzel Washington.
kbutler2012 2 years ago
Igive this a four star rate
becouses of the person who posted it
if this was anyone else it wood have been a three star nice to watch one but not my thing
lenTcanoe 3 years ago
personally i would have used some kind of evasion pattern on the way in. i also would have been firing every i had at that gigantic S.O.B. (pulses, beams, torpedoes every thing) just to soften it up for that attack on its sweat spot .
i mean they almost had it.
it look like it took a bit of an ass kickin of its own
brooklyn560 3 years ago
LOL
Dmann4Christ 3 years ago
i missed tht series, nd their shown it now, the episode at 2:21 is on monday, yay
STARLIGHT5000 3 years ago
Umm why would Starfleet let any cadet. no matter how good they are, use an advanced starship for a training cruse.
SaintPlazma 3 years ago
its war
STARLIGHT5000 3 years ago
The war hadn't started when the training cruse started.
SaintPlazma 3 years ago
Good question!
justin811j 3 years ago
I never got past why only the dumb brats lived when their instructors all died and why they stayed out in enemy space instead of heading back home like a smart person would have.
mkyle88 3 years ago
cause they're arrogant, the episode showed that. the cadet/captain LOVED his rank, and wanted to enjoy the feeling and power that he had on that starship that he would never have again..even if it meant his death.
HarbingerRomanus 3 years ago 2
Weren't they cut off from Starfleet at first? I was under the impression that they'd been trapped behind enemy lines at first & simply decided to keep doing the recon that the original crew had been doing. As for the cadet/captain, he was taking drugs in order to cope. & the rest of Red Squad was stressed to the max, so was it really arrogance on their part or was it something else?
Lizfan2 3 years ago
ok, if you're a cadet and find yourself trapped behind the lines with this advanced starship and no starfleet guidance...the prudent and proper thing to do is return home or at least let Starfleet know. The Cadet Captain was following "his" orders, yes, but those orders were for an entirely different circumstance and it was not logical to continue as a bunch of students. They continued on their mission because of arrogance and pride, that is made very clear.
HarbingerRomanus 3 years ago 3
They continued on their mission because, wait for it!
It was in the script!
TRUMPHENT 2 years ago
good job! that can be said for...every movie. every tv show. But both of those aim for a level of realism and explainability for the actions. Thus there is a reason for why they did what they did.
HarbingerRomanus 2 years ago
pride goeth before a fall their pride was thier undoing.
shockwave2004 3 years ago
Beautiful song.
justin811j 3 years ago
This episode is proof that courage without wisdom can get you killed.
justin811j 3 years ago 4
You're never borrowing the car again!
justin811j 3 years ago 2
the cadets were certainly brave but they were fools to believe hhat they can destroy such a big jem harder ship on their own
06196012 3 years ago 2
they should have a girls of star trek magazine mucho fapness
rdstrcmmndr 3 years ago
LostRelics1
Not really, mainly because:
1. Only 6 people, 1 blind gerbil, and 3 small rocks had the willpower to sit through all of "Nemesis".
2. I consider getting blown out a hole a variation of the classic "my console blew up, I did a backflip, and now I'm dead" Star Trek demise.
The closest I think we ever came to a cool and space-opera worthy death was the transporter accident in ST:The Movie.
starstarstar42 3 years ago
Eh, the brats got what they deserved.
gsaum 3 years ago
If I was in charge of that ship, we wouldve won, smoked cigars on the way home, and been laying on a beach banging betazoid chicks in a week. LOL Those kids sucked.
labartic 3 years ago
I lol'd
cv6nick 3 years ago
lol!!!!!!!
diaperlover52 3 years ago
I'll never understand why every time someone dies in Star Trek, its from their console station blowing up in their face and flipping them over backwards.
Just once I'd like to see a phaser punch through the hull, cut into the bridge, and vaporize just like half of someone's body. Just half, leave the other half kinda sitting there.
I think I just creeped myself out.
starstarstar42 3 years ago 9
Problem with buying Acme circuit breakers, lowest bidder I guess, lol.
1126thmp 3 years ago 5
starstarstar42
The helmsman flew out the hole that used to be the viewscreen in Star Trek Nemesis. Does that work?
LostRelics1 3 years ago 2
There was an episode of Enterprise that showed that...
BlackCloudBoss 3 years ago
That's what happens when you give the keys to the kids.
WHOOPASSLQ 3 years ago 4
Bishes deserved to die.
SuperFlicky 3 years ago
Considering the plot that the ship was run by reckless, blind, selfish cadets, the music doesn't suit that clip. For the Defiant and Enterprise, yes, but not this crew. The only one worthy here were Nog and Jake.
palacio154 3 years ago
There should have been more survivors, so that they could return to Starfleet with their heads hung in shame.
vegeta002 3 years ago
I remember seeing this episode thinking, "this is gay, little kids can't run a starship" then they all died because of stupidity and it wasn't so bad.
Rserlo 3 years ago
The girl that survived looked like a changeling.
80smusicfanNO1 3 years ago
They should have flew that ship like sisko did in that alternative universe episode, the emperors new cloak.
matthew5484 3 years ago
you got the wronge episode dude!
60mjh25 3 years ago
I always thought that this episode was at least partly a response to the movie "Starship Troopers." Some similar elements.
DEP717 3 years ago
That girl is a hottie! :D
xavierprotocols 3 years ago 3
shes o.k but shes got to do something with that hair before i call her hot
60mjh25 3 years ago
what this song title?
djdtec 3 years ago
Stupid cadets wasted a good ship, should have went went back to starfleet after there C.O. was killed, instead they got each other killed and wasted one of the federations best ships.
ElensarFFXI 3 years ago 5
Typical teenagers. In any century, they are over-confident and believe they are invincible.
But, it was cool.
EcLipsE1982Fat 3 years ago 7