flair held the title longer an more times than hogan.he was a great villian an face when it called for.fueds with sting were an always will be better than hogan& andrea the giant,bundy,whome ever.the nwo were like cub scouts compaired to the horse men.rick went to wwf/e an helped it out hogan went to wcw an it flopped.case closed
Flair was a draw in the days when you could measure this stuff. If a territory ran a show in a certain arena and filled it half full with their local guys then filled it to capacity with Flair coming to town, you knew it was because of flair. Anyone who says he wasn't a huge draw is being ignorant.
As much as I like Flair I never saw him as a MAssive draw. Just my opinion, I know that if I had a choice of seeing Hogan, Savage, HBK Flair would be like num 7 or 8 on the list.
man hulk hogan sucks so badly...........hogan did't make wresltemania so great the whole line up of kick ass wrestlers made it great pleeeeeeeezzzzzzzz.....I dont care how much he sold. he isn't the hottest thing in wrestling theres more pore people than rich and theres a lot of votes that aint counted...fuck hogan
I'm a little torn because I'm a big fan of both Bret and Ric. I wish these two would sit down and have a few drinks so they can work out their differences. They were both such big icons in the business...it's sad that they have issues.
@666rocko Ric was actually talking some truth here as there is tension between alot of the Hart brothers and sisters. Bret had issues with the book Diana released.
Get a clue, it's all about personality and Bret has NONE to speak of; Bret's pissed that he spent so much time in wrestling but got so little to show for it-- that's show-biz!
Ric is kissing Roddy's ass more than vice-versa; he ADMITTED that Roddy made a lot better decisions than he did, Flair clearly had a rough time because he did things the hard way.
Piper was good friends with the Hart family, but he wouldn't say that about Bret Hart if it wasn't true.
@666rocko Piper is a notorious ass kisser; a year or two before he was hanging out with Bruno Sammartino and criticizing WWF; then he went back to WWF; I liked Piper a lot as a wrestler-but he speaks with forked tongue like Billy Graham. Piper did not have the balls to say Bruno should be in WWE HOF (along with Karl Gotch, Bruiser Brody, Mil Mascaras, and what was that guy's name...yea, Lou Thesz. )
flair just loves the sound of his own voice, wanting to interrupt Roddy and speak for him all the time. Flair is a self indulgent man who thinks everyone else was crap compared to him. He only ever stared in ONE Wrestlemania yet when you hear him talk you would think he was in like 10 of them all in main events
Bret is nothing but a cry baby...and everybody knows it! Hogan put warrior over, why wouldn't Bret put Shawn over! Bret was doing the same thing to Shawn...that he accused Hogan of doing to him! Bret talks behind everybody's back! He just mad because he never reached the heights that Hulkamania did!
The reason Flair is so finacially fuck** is that he was too busy living the gimmick..had he kept it in his pants then he would be a very rich man to this day as well as having a normal well adjusted bunch of children as opposed to the fuck** up family and finacial situation he has today..pity this poor ol bastard!...How he has the balls to rip on brett is beyond me!
@Jacksiin1 I know, right. A guy who was 16-time world heavyweight champ, which means main-event money, working for WCW when they had good business and he was a main guy, working for Vince when the WWE was huge, big-time PPV matches with PPV pay, all the endorsements, appearances, etc. royalties and whatever else. He must have really fucked up.
championship he had 3 very different matches at KOTR 1993 and worked hard to get to WM 10 and had 2 matches there he even jobbed to his brother then beat yoko.
IMO yoko shouldn't of had that belt it was bret's but cus hogan wanted the spotlight he wanted to win again at WM cus he's a fucking cunt who's only in it for himself..Ric flair is a hypocrite he bad mouths everyone behind there back including TNA he hated TNA and where is he now? He even bad mouthed eric bishoff I bet there best friends
@MrDontstareitsrude bischoff and flair hated each other for years and flair and hogan have had backstage heat before but ric is flat broke he needs tna! it's sad realy.
All you lot are so stupid bret is the best and has the best matches with everyone..
when you see 1 flair match you have seen them all. when you have seen 1 hogan match you have seen them all.
I'll think you'll find bret jobbed to a lot of people in his career and didn't miss hardly any shows. He jobbed to michaels yet michaels wouldn't job to him.
Bret was the best in the business and made a lot of people he even jobbed to yokozuna and went a whole year proving himself that he was worthy of the
Hulk Hogan is and always was the hottest thing in Wrestling! Love him or Hate him but the numbers don't lie! Don't give me nothing about Steve Austin either. You believe that he out sold hogan...then your a fool. That is some Crap that Vince McMahon made up to get from under Hogan's shadow! Hogan is the one that made the Wrestlemania's so successful! Everybody in the media wanted a piece of him! Hogan was selling worldwide in 80s...Hogan was drawing huge before his WWF days! Huge in the AWA!
@joeybrabham The hulk hogan gimmick was ripped off from a wrestler long before he got in the business. Hogan is the biggest name but not the best ever, Austin & Rocks popularity as well as respect from their peers over shadows hogan. Alot of wrestling fans & wrestlers hate him. T he part about hogan drawing most money, if that is true why did vince become a billionaire in late 2000 and not the late 80's when hogan was the main draw ?
@86Stooy The reason he became a billionaire in the late 2000 is because he has 12 pay per views a year now at 50 dollars a pop back when Hogan was really rolling with the WWF it had 4 and gradually moved up. Two different brands on television....In the early 90s he tried pushing Hogan away, while he was making several million dollars a year, and trust me other superstars weren't that far behind him....superstars today ain't pulling that in plus everything so damn expensive now!
@tomlott thats not even close to being true ahaha.he made the wwf public in 2000. at the end of the attidude era. he didn't make that much off it. learn some shit
@joeybrabham I hated the Hulkamania thing. But yes, you are absolutely correct. And the fact that he was a main event, provided a stage for others to do something if they were talented enough. And if they were talented enough to be matched against Hogan, they hyped the hell out of it to the point that his villain had a lot of notoriety.
@joeybrabham Not so. Hogan drew amazing in the 80's but against no competition. WCW was not a competitor. Boxing wasn't close to what UFC would become and there was no internet and cell phones and cable companies with 1000 channels. Austin drew more ratings sold more ppv's and sold more merchandise than Hogan in an era with TONS more competition than Hogan's era had. Maybe you aren't aware that Austin sold 3x's more merch than Hogan at his peak. While killing NWO and Goldberg merch sales as well
@mazzaroti Hogan and the WWF had lots of competition in the 80s' NWA and the AWA was huge in the 1980's....Wrestling today is not like it was back then, they wrestled every night, running three towns a night, always selling out. I'm glad you brought up the internet...because back then when WWF was running its hardest there was not a 1000 channels and the internet promoting it. The world was more aware of the attitude era...which i still don't believe it out sold the hogan era
@joeybrabham Na the Stone Cold era did out sell the Hulkster era, much as i respect both eras. era era era hahah anyway the late 80s WWF was more child and family oriented you could say. When Steve came in and re-wrote the book on how its done it brought in a fan base that was much wider and older who controlled there own wallets,not mom and dad. It was an adult rated R movie. Hogan may have broader appeal for inventing the wheel but from 97-03,the WWF sky rocketed to a bigger$buisness than ever
@joeybrabham Austin is at least equal with Hogan, he saved WWF, and dont say "it wasnt just him" because it was, he defined and was the PIONEER of the attitude era. Pioneer is the key word. Ric Flair said it himself at his induction I believe. Regardless he said it, I know the video is on youtube somewhere.
Ric Flair is a fucking phoney. He might have said good things about Austin when Austin was there at the HOF. But ask him some stuff about Austin now, guaranteed Flair will bury him. Flair is the kind of guy that smiles in your face and pisses on your name behind your back. Him words mean jack shit to me...
@SuperDj316 I agree that Austin was a factor in winning the Monday Night Wars back in the late 90s but I believe Austin wouldn't have had the chance if Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels didn't keep the company rolling through it's worst times (about 1993 - 1996). I also believe if it wasn't for Austin's matches with Bret Hart (Wrestlemania 13 and Canadian Stampede come to mind) Austin's legacy would have not jumped to that next step.
@joeybrabham puh-leeeeze !!!!! big star does not equal talent in the ring. terry had the same 20 moves in every match & in a shoot, piper or flair woulda crippled him easily. are nickelback good cuz they're huge? no, they suck. in pipers' words, hogan could " carry the ball", meaning he could do the job at it's bare minimum. granted, hogan had tons of charisma, but even in his promos, anyone can tell that he's acting. piper & flair promos, the purity is obvious. lou thesz..."hogans no wrestler"
@joeybrabham so what if the media wants a piece of you, that only reflects the charisma hogan had, combined with the promotion & marketing that vince pumped into him. the first wrestlemania was made successful by piper... everyone wanted to see the bad guy get his ass kicked cuz of what he did to cyndi lauper & capt. lou...a hero is only as good as his villan. the fact that hogan was the biggest star also reflects the gullible nature of mainstream sheep like you, buying all the shit they sell us
@jdbankshot I love Piper, just as much as I love hogan. In fact, I'm going to meet him in august and your right that it takes a great heal to make a great face but they could put Hogan in there with Earl Hebner and would have sold the same....People need to get real and give Hogan his credit. Okay Piper help sell Wrestlemania. Let's look at Wrestlemania 2 and 3 and 4 and 5 and 6 and 7 and 8 and even 9. I'm not downing Piper he's the greatest heel that ever lived.
@joeybrabham Hogan bigger draw perhaps but Austin was a better wrestler and took the company to new heights. Hogan is a selfish, manipulating man....I hope the Ultimate Warrior teaches Hogan a lesson for the lies he told about Savage.
@joeybrabham McMahon had the talents to make WWF/E what it is. Hogan needed the big stage McMahon offered to get over the top. No VKM, no Hulk Hogan that we know.
@joeybrabham : Well, yes and no... you have to understand that Hogan's success (his pop culture success, mind you) depends entirely on McMahon. McMahon cultivated a totally different audience than wrestling had before... he marketed his product to kids. Middle America kids. Why? They were ignorant of what "good" wrestling was and they spent their (or their parents') disposable income foolishly. Hogan could not have gotten over the way he did had Vince not suckered kids and shoved him down...
@DeepSouthWrestling1 ... their throats. So, in a sense, you are correct... Hogan was/is huge. But, let's face it, his work sucked. His promos were boring and predictable, his in-ring performance was embarrassing and, as history has shown us, he had an ego that was out of control and only interested in money. Hogan was the tool McMahon used to totally turn wrestling into the dog shit it has been for over 20 years now. However, you are totally wrong about Austin... for a brief period he was...
@DeepSouthWrestling1 ... more popular than Hogan and outsold his merch. He drew much bigger numbers in PPV buys than Hogan ever could hope to. Granted, timing has alot to do with that but, as you say, "numbers don't lie".
@DeepSouthWrestling1 Not true. Hogan was already huge before McMahon hired him. Hogan was fresh from the movie Rocky III and hugely popular. McMahon needed a star with mainstream appeal. He used Hogan to launch his organization the way it is now.
@Michael272727 : He was big, but certainly not the biggest star in wrestling... to do that, you had to dumb down the audience. That's what Vince did. Hogan was certainly the centerpiece of McMahon's promotion, but he could have plugged someone else in that spot if he had to. Hogan would have never gotten as big as he did without Vince.
@joeybrabham thats only because he was in a movie that was exposed to the world is why he gained his popularity,rocky 3 was great and this is why i watched hogan because he made rocky look like a small nugget
@joeybrabham and to make you happy yes every wrestler routine get old but what made austin good was he could actually be funny and tell a joke that made the audience freak even now what is still going on and its almost been 10 years since it was born during the invasion promos,HOgan was just the good guy that all the little maniacs would cheer for because he was fight for your rights brother do the right thing which all kids love,hogan was forced down our throats and why tna today is drowning !!
I can't believe yall said that Vince took the belt off Flair because he could not draw. It's all about building story lines and emotions. He has always been a draw. Back then the WWF always had the baby face champion...if a heel ever had the title it was only for a short period of time...the business soared because Hogan was in and out of Wrestling. Bret was a great wrestler but not no big attraction like Hulk Hogan or even the Ultimate Warrior...(YES I SAID WARRIOR...HE WAS A HUGE DRAW!)
@joeybrabham Flair said himself he dropped the belt to bret because he had a loose bone in his inner ear that was causing his equalibream to be screwed up. He has said he was suprised the match wasn't a total discrace because his balance was so off.
@DeepSouthWrestling1 I highly doubt scott steiner was jealous of flair. I think scott spoke from his heart and I always wondered why he dispised flair soomuch, but judging by this vid u can kinda see why. I think flair is still bitter from losing the wwf belt to Bret. Bret even thanked flair for the opprtunity in an interview after the match. In my opinion Bret was a better wrestler than flair. It has to look real and some of flair's in ring stuff was over the top/not to convincing. 3 steps fall
@pouringblue7 : Steiner was most definitely jealous of Flair... why do you think he cut that shoot promo on him in WCW?? That didn't get Steiner over or help business. His jealousy of an old man being more over than him ate away at him. Combine that with the amount of steroids swimming around his metabolism, and the guy probably wasn't cognizant of much... there's some promo comps of Steiner here on YouTube, and they really show what numbskull he is. And, no Flair isn't bitter about dropping...
@pouringblue7 :... the belt to Bret, but the promo you're talking about was a work, of course. Afterwords, Bret openly complained to the press how "overrated" Flair was, and his match with him was disappointing. THAT was what irked Flair. Has Flair acted like a bitter old crank towards Bret for years after? Yes he has. But there's been alot of that from Bret, too. In all honesty, they both act like spoiled children. However, I have to disagree on your assessment of Flair v Bret as far as...
@pouringblue7 :...in ring performance goes. NO wrestler is "convincing" in the ring... once you run the ropes or execute a drop kick (much less a move off the top rope), all credibility is out the window. That's like saying that you prefer Daffy Duck because Bugs Bunny was "too cartoon".
@DeepSouthWrestling1 Dude the point of wrestling is to make it look as real as possible without hurting/killing ur opponent. Otherwise There would be no such thing as bloopers or botches in wrestling. People won't pay to watch someone get hit by invisible punches. Otherwise its just a soap opera. The point I was trying to make is that ric should not talk about another mans family the way he did here or if he's man enough to "man" comments like this he shouldnt sugar coat it. Tell the wholestory
@pouringblue7 : No, the point of wrestling is to allow the audience to suspend disbelief and get caught up in the angles and matches, much like a Rocky movie. Surely, you can see a Rocky movie looks nothing like a real boxing match. Just as a wrestling match looks nothing like a real fight. From Hogan to Angle, none of them do. As far as Flair gossiping, I agree 100%... most, if not all, wrestlers seem to have public etiquette problems.
@oldschool6804 Relax buddy. Wrestling is not a contest. Don't take it so serious. The wrestlers know who is going to win or lose before the match. This is no big secret. There are things that are real and fake. If a 350 lb man punches you in the face I don't think you would be able to wrestle a 30 minute match would you? and plus when did I say it was "fake" Relax man.
@oldschool6804 Dude are you on crack?! I never said vader didn't hit him! I didn't even bring that match/topic up! I didn't say anything about that match other thn I said I saw it already after u told me to watch it. What's your deal man!?!
@oldschool6804 Are u an idiot? I was referring to that match. 350 lb man as in Hogan in his prime, Ultimate warrior, Bobby lashley, batista, etc. It was a generalization. I Never said anything about Vader not hitting mick folley. Stop picking arguements online. It's stupid. What's your deal man. I feel like I could say that wrestling is more real than MMA and you'd still find something to argue with me about. Chill out man. Its not that serious.
@oldschool6804 I meant was not referring to that match. And if youre going to get mad and argue with people online atleast have it be based on things they said.
@DeepSouthWrestling1 Well thats ur opinion bro your entitled to it, but when WCW was around mostly what I remember from the NWO era was ric flair getting beat up by a different member of the NWO week in and week out while Bret was main eventing in WWF.
@pouringblue7 : Well, yes... but you can surely see that has less to do with Flair than it does with poor management... WCWs writers weren't very good. I mean, it wasn't long before Bret himself found this out, right? And Bret was main eventing, but he was also refusing to do jobs... very unprofessional. He also had one foot out the door.
@prototype00000 Yeah Bret is so rich that he went back to WWE after saying he would NEVER work for Vince again. Bret's such a hypocrite. Flair jealous? Hell no. Flair is selfless and didn't mind putting guys over for the good of the business. Bret HATED jobbing. He's such a mark for himself that he really thinks he is the best there is, was.... blah blah blah.
I question Flair's remark that territories were overrated. Compare the number of guys who made their living as full time wrestlers through the territories to the number who do the same today. With territories, there were more employers and not every wrestler had to be a superstar (like the WW "no room for jobbers" E). Flair's idea of "hard" must be working for anything less than six digits a year if he thinks territories only "worked" for guys like him and Roddy.
@TheLeroyMoon : To an extent I agree, but the fact is back in the territory days, performers got fucked out of money alot more than these days... the guaranteed contracts mean the guys get paid. So many promoters were underhanded weasels back then... however, just look at the product today as opposed to back then. Clearly, it was superior back then...
@DeepSouthWrestling1 The product was superior because the wrestlers truly wanted to be wrestlers and nothing else. I've heard my share of weasel-like promotor stories, but I think there are as many today with all the indie promotions that sprout up only to leave town on a dime. From the 60s through the 90s, I think a good wrestler could make a steady living so long as he dealt with only well-established promotors. Though not all of these were fair, at least they all had something to lose.
@TheLeroyMoon ... and knew how to conduct himself. The indie promoters are probably weasels these days, but they don't have the foothold on the biz the "legit" promoters did back in the 60s-80s. And it's certainly true that there were more people making their living in wrestling back then than now, but all the "blacklisting" that went on back then was pretty illegal...
The thing Flair seems to forget is in his time, he did draw a lot of money, but in his territories, not all over the U.S. In Brets time, he drew money all over the U.S. and all over the world. He was the biggest draw in the UK, I remember when he and Bulldog wrestled at SS92 in Wembley, there were just as many Bret fans if not more. Flair couldn't do that.
Bringing Brets family into it but just shows how petty he is and everyone knows about Ellie and Diana anyway, he made himself look bad
@toyboyderby : You're wrong... as the last NWA traveling champ, Flair drew all over the US and Japan. Whenever Flair came to Memphis, Texas, Georgia or St Louis, the gates jumped. Also, don't forget that it's really harder to draw in a territory than it is when you're part of a corporate conglomerate with millions of dollars behind you and you're in a town once every 6 months... Flair could draw in the same towns week after week, Bret never could, even in Canada...
@DeepSouthWrestling1 Boy do I ever agree! Everything I've ever read lists Hart's inability to draw - despite the vast marketing machine behind him - as one of the main reasons Vince wanted to demote him. Furthermore, Hart had the industry handed to him on a platter because of his father; Flair was a self-made man who drew in most every country he wrestled.
@TheLeroyMoon : Well, I think Hart had to prove himself in WWF. I mean, he was pushed in Calgary (by his pop, natch) but, really, Stampede never drew very well, even with Dynamite. As soon as Hart went elsewhere, he jobbed. It took him years to finally break out of the tag division and get a singles push. Speaking of that singles push, if we are to be honest we must admit that push came about more because Bret wasn't a steroid hag and less because of his ability in the ring...
@TheLeroyMoon Vinny Mac himself said Bret drew well & was the biggest draw in Europe. When Bret took over WWF was going through its lowest period with all the steriod & sex scandals. Flair came to WWF but couldn't draw, so Vince took the belt off him & gave it to Bret. Bret was also a self made man, yeah he had Stu, but he started off in the territories as a jobber working his way all the way to the top. If having Stu Hart as a dad was enough Keith, Bruce & Smith Hart would have been stars too!
@toyboyderby : No, no, no... Bret didn't draw well either. Not his fault, but there it is. He didn't take the belt off Flair because he wasn't drawing... he did it because Bret wasn't on steroids. Bret didn't draw well in his initial outing with the belt, either. The other Hart boys were older that Bret at that point. If not, Vince would have taken them, too. Bret didn't work his way up in the territories, that's laughable!! He made a few shots here and there, he stayed close to Canada...
@toyboyderby :... because he WAS taken care of by his dad. Did you read his book? The only place he jobbed with any consistency was when he first arrived in the WWF... and he bitches, pisses and moans about it!!! He was spoon-fed opponents in Canada and totally pushed above his talents. No big deal, really because nepotism runs wild in wrestling, but to call him a "self made man" is ridiculous...
@DeepSouthWrestling1 Yeah he jobbed in the WWF and made it to the top, look at other kids who had their dads as promoters & then failed miserably in the WWE, Brian Christopher? He wasn't spoon fed opponents during his Stampede days either, he pushed his way through by having great matches with Dynamite Kid. You're saying the only reason Vince put the belt on Bret was because he wasn't on roids? Flair wasn't on roids in the 90s either. Bret was the best thing about WWE that time & so deserved it.
@toyboyderby : But you're trying to say he went ALL OVER and jobbed, like so many others did. Christopher didn't "fail miserably" either, he was in an over tag team that won the titles. It wasn't his ability that caused him to get fired, it was his drug use. And Dyno was having great matches with everyone. At that time, Bret wasn't. You can thank Dyno for those great matches. Hell, he should get credit for helping train Bret, cuz his game sure went up afterwords. And Flair certainly did...
@toyboyderby :... dabble with 'roids at that time, specifically to come to WWF. I'm not saying that's the only reason Vince put the belt on Bret, it was the MAIN one... I admit he proved himself by having great matches afterwords, but what got him to the dance, so to speak, was the fact that he was relatively 'roid-free.
@toyboyderby I wasn't the CFO & I never saw any figures. Also, isolating a single wrestler as "the draw" on a card isn't an exact science. If either man had trouble drawing in the other's stomping ground, the difference could be the grounds. The NWA/WCW worked in countries where WWF had little presence & vice versa, WWF fans prefered babyface champs, etc..
So...Hart's career progressed through the same stages everyone in his era followed - under KAYFABE, 2nd gens always had a leg up.
Ric might want to listen to the rest of the family's opinion of Diana and Ellie before he takes their opinions at face value. Christ, they were feeding Vince and his lawyers information about Owen's wife Martha's lawsuit against the WWF because they were trying to get jobs for their husbands. Are you kidding me? It was in Bret's book and it was in Martha's book. Those two bitches should never be listened to
@fundyspokerblog : You don't know that for a fact, you're just going by what Bret says in his shitty book... Martha is just as big a cunt as Diane or Ellie...
@DeepSouthWrestling1 How would you know this about Martha? Do you know her? If both of them are writing the same thing, wouldn't you think it's probably closer to the truth? Do you think they collaborated on each other's books even though they don't talk to each other that much anymore? I'll take Bret's book over most others because his stories are based on stories he recorded on a machine after they happened, when memories were fresh. Not from someone remembering 30 years ago
@fundyspokerblog : Well, I don't know anything pertaining to wrestling to be actual fact, I'm just going by what I've read. I do know that Martha doesn't want WWE to market dvds with Hart in them (she actually tried to sue them over this), I know Martha kept Owen's kids away from Owen's family, I know Martha cut communication with the entire family once she got her settlement (and this includes Bret, who helped her in her lawsuit) and, most of all, I know Martha is ungrateful... she takes...
@DeepSouthWrestling1 Well, if anything her and Bret write in her book are even remotely true then I would keep the kids away from them too. Now that Stu and Helen have both passed, what good are the rest of them as it pertains to her life or her kids? I will agree that the lawsuit is pretty ridiculous and she needs to come to terms that the reason she's had a decent living while Owen was alive was because he was a wrestler. That being said, she probably should get some sort of royalty...
@fundyspokerblog : But that's the thing... she was doing this BEFORE either Helen or Stu died. Regardless, "what good are the rest of them" is they are family... the fact that she doesn't like them is no cause to keep them away from family. She's holding a grudge against wrestling in general, and since the Harts were so involved with wrestling she keeps the kids away... IMO this makes her look like a total bitch! Also, she wasn't suing for royalties, she wanted the use of Owen's matches stopped!
@DeepSouthWrestling1 Well, like I said, if those people did any of the things that she and Bret claim in their books then I wouldn't let them near my kids either. They sure weren't concerned about Owen and his family during the lawsuit, which is something you would think family members would be behind, so why should she talk to them now? I wouldn't. The wrestling connection doesn't have any bearing on it.
@fundyspokerblog : But that's only Ellie, Diane and possibly Bruce... and with Ellie and Diane the ulterior motives were to get their husbands jobs. Also, both these women come from abusive relationships and the only reason I bring this up is not to excuse their behavior, but because Martha worked at an abused shelter at one time so she should certainly be a little more sympathetic to them than she has been... regardless, she's cut off communication with the WHOLE family, not only the bad seeds.
@fundyspokerblog ... opportunity to trash wrestling, despite the fact that EVERY CENT SHE HAS CAME FROM WRESTLING one way or another. I understand that losing a spouse is a terrible thing, particularly when it's as unnecessary as Owen's death, but this petty, vindictive woman has acted terribly in the public forum at almost every turn... I don't make a habit of defending Vince, but it's obvious that this was a terrible accident, yet Martha would have you believe Vince meant to do it...
@DeepSouthWrestling1 ...from Vince if they're using Owen's image for financial gain. The other wrestlers do and I'm pretty sure Vickie gets monies from anything to do with Eddie, so why shouldn't she get the same consideration?
I've read Martha's book and she has come to understand it was an accident but you are right in that she needs to let the bitterness go. Bret has let it go, why can't she?
@fundyspokerblog : Exactly!! Some people have said Bret is a hypocrite for going back to WWE, but what's the guy supposed to do? Hold onto his anger for the rest of his life? IMO, that would be much worse... and this is exactly what Martha is doing. She never came to terms with the fact that Owen is/was a wrestler. If you haven't read it already, there's a book about the Stampede territory (author's name I forgot) that goes into all this without the bias Martha's book (and Bret's book) has...
I do agree that Flair had a far superior career to Bret Hart. He had loads more charisma and could definitely work a promo better than Bret ever could. Bret was a superior wrestler, but as for entertainment, Flair was one of the best in the business. Saying that,I have lost much more respect for Ric though after watching this clip. What he says about Bret proves that whether he reads the internet or not, he is jealous of Bret and Bret's fanfare.
But what he said about Bret Hart and his family was extremely unprofessional, and proves just how insecure of a person he really is. I think Roddy handled this well by not indulging in the trash that Ric was saying about Bret. All three men are legends in this business though.
@MrWrestlingGuy2010 : But what everyone forgets is the roots of this feud were laid down by Bret back when Flair jobbed for him... Bret was never grateful for this, immediately going to the press and complaining how "overrated" Flair was... the fact is, no matter how horribly Flair conducts his personal life (and I admit, the past few years Flair has looked like a stupid asshole), in the ring or on the mic Bret can't hold a candle...
Yes Flair has gotten goofy over the years & certainly takes himself & his role in pro wrestling too serious these days. But Bret Hart, for as good as he was, is not in the same class as Ric Flair. Bret was great w/ the Hart Foundation & his in ring performance w/ guys like Perfect & Michaels was fantastic. But he had to be matched with an equally great opponent or his matches were just OK & robotic. Flair (pre flair-flop-corner-flip ad nauseum years) was not limited like that.
@cheux1 I have to disagree, If you look at King of the Ring, Bret fought 3 very different opponents and gave us 3 very different matches. Flair was great on the mic but no where near as good as Bret in the ring. Even when Bret fought Yokozuna, he made the matches worth watching, whereas you look at Hogan vs Yokozuna and they were poor and very short.
Bret would tell his story in the ring. Even Vinny Mac said Bret would give you the best match of the night every time he went out there.
@toyboyderby : The only thing, those matches were boring, which is my main complaint with Hart. Technically, he was sound enough, but he was dull... Flair's matches were much more exciting. Flair could make me emotionally involved in the matches. The only time Hart really succeeded in that aspect was when he turned heel and wrestled Austin...and I think that had much more to do with Austin than Hart.
@DeepSouthWrestling1 Well I think a lot would agree Brets Matches weren't boring, his matches with Owen, Perfect, HBK & Austin were awesome. Flair was entertaining but I never cared much for any of his matches.
@toyboyderby : Well, everyone has an opinion. I agree that those matches were good, but in the cases of Austin, Michaels and Perfect, I think the quality had more to do with his opponents than Bret himself. My main problem with Bret is he couldn't get me emotionally involved with his matches... technically sound, but he couldn't really promo, he had no facial expressions, etc... you didn't care for ANY of Flair's matches?? C'mon...
@toyboyderby : Well, everyone has an opinion... and I agree those matches were fine, but I think it had more to do with Bret's opponents than Bret himself. Bret could have a good match depending on who he was in there with, while Flair could have a good match with ANYONE. Bret was a good, solid technical wrestler. But he couldn't promo, he had no facial expressions, etc...
@toyboyderby : Well, sure... everyone has an opinion. And I agree that the matches you mentioned are good ones, but I believe that has more to do with his opponents than Bret himself. Bret was a sound technical wrestler, sure, but he couldn't promo, he had no facial expressions, he had no fire, he couldn't brawl, etc... he was good at one thing, technical wrestling. Flair could do it all. Flair could make people hate him, Bret couldn't... at least not in a working way.
@DeepSouthWrestling1 Must be why Vince took the belt off Flair and gave it to Bret. Flair failed miserably in WWF. I agree Brets promos weren't great, but he told his story in the ring. Vince gave Bret one of the biggest contracts of all time, he wouldn't do that unless Bret could draw. Bret carried the business during an extremely bad period for the WWF. Flair was big in his territories but he couldn't draw in a worldwide organisation, he just couldn't.
@toyboyderby : You couldn't be more wrong... Mantaur "failed miserably", so did Doug Furnas, Jerry Lynn and Lance Storm. Flair had a great run. He took the belt off Flair the same reason he ended up taking it off Bret... he wanted a change. Business was bad all around at that point in time. No one is to blame except for Vince, because the whole steroid scandal was HIS fault. And, fyi, with a worldwide organization, no one performer is responsible, which is how Vince wants it. Particularly...
@toyboyderby :... not when Bret was on top. Not really his fault, though. However, Bret wasn't chosen to be champ because he could draw, he was chosen because he wasn't on the gas. Bret's first reign has been called one of the lowest points in WWF history, drawing wise (right behind Shawn's reign) because of the scandals, just like Flair's. He gave Bret a big contract, sure, but he also reneged on it also... so what does that mean?
Ric Flairs body language went from relaxed to 5 different types of language when he started mentioning Bret Hart. Mostly the adjusting of his suit and body in his chair...which basically means he's self concious about it and doesn't really believe all the crap, he's just jealous of Bret Hart
Ric could not dream of doing the things Bret did in the ring. Ric is a joke and why anyone thinks he is this great legendary wrestler is beyond me. He could talk on the mic without question better than Bret, but his in ring performance could not touch Bret's.
@AAORD1 I'm saying this as a massive Bret Hart fan. Jim Cornette put it best when he said in Flair's book "There were guys who were better in ring performers, there were guys who were better on the mic, and there were better guys cosmetically, but nobody could put the whole package together like Ric Flair". I think that's what most people are referring to when they talk about Flair being the best of all time. I agree he couldn't touch Hart's in ring performances though
Flair fans go nuts when you say he was not the best wrestler ever, Flair was the best mic guy ever and top 5 as a wrestler but he was not the best. I have been to thousands and thousands of wrestling matches so trust me when I say this Flair was not the best wrestler.
You all love Bret Hart yet last year at wrestlemania he threw away his legacy as a stright arrow guy by taking a paycheck. Watch the Hart documentary from about fifteen years ago and you tell me it doesnt matter what happened in Montreal. Montreal indirectly created the golden era of wrestling 1998-2002. And if you need to ask how, your a damn fool. Clue: 3:16
I used to think very highly of Ric Flair, but over the past few months Ive been watching and reading alot interviews and such and now my opinion of him couldnt be any lower. He does nothing but shit talk anyone who isnt "old school" like him, while at the same time praising fuckin Batista as being amazing..PA-LEASE. He also thinks he's god's gift to wrestling and true enough, he was pretty damn good at one time but theres TONS of guys better than him, Bret being one of them.
HAHA flair is sitting here crying about not making enough money to pay off his alimony. This dumbass had the opportunity to make $500k with the WWE if he STAYED retired.
flair says he was married 3 timesand only only 1 woman was bad..the reason is because she was probably the only one who wouldnt put up with constant infidelity.
god ric flair is a first class asshole... piper's just as bad just sitting there laughing his ass off while his cousin's being ripped to shreds... sure he's got the balls to confront russo about owen in front of all those people but he doesn't even lift a finger to shut flair up...
yeah well if you've been humiliated in front of a home crowd of thousands yourself, then by all means, say anything you want... but until that happens shut the fuck up...
Haha, Flair is still butthurt about having to job the belt to Hart on a house show, after all these years.
aeonlinear 1 week ago 2
Ric Flair never gets old....I wish was 30 years younger....the man was phenomenal.
archona54 3 weeks ago
LOL @ Ric talking about Bret being in a bad place. Ric is a disgrace and his life is in shambles
hitmanhart670 5 months ago
flair held the title longer an more times than hogan.he was a great villian an face when it called for.fueds with sting were an always will be better than hogan& andrea the giant,bundy,whome ever.the nwo were like cub scouts compaired to the horse men.rick went to wwf/e an helped it out hogan went to wcw an it flopped.case closed
stinger216 5 months ago
Flair was a draw in the days when you could measure this stuff. If a territory ran a show in a certain arena and filled it half full with their local guys then filled it to capacity with Flair coming to town, you knew it was because of flair. Anyone who says he wasn't a huge draw is being ignorant.
hawkinn39 5 months ago
@hawkinn39 The advantage of the territories: among other things: it was not all Don Vinnyland in wrestling.
RPenta 4 months ago
As much as I like Flair I never saw him as a MAssive draw. Just my opinion, I know that if I had a choice of seeing Hogan, Savage, HBK Flair would be like num 7 or 8 on the list.
IntelligentDiversion 5 months ago
Diana Hart? The hottie Diana Hart??? Wow Bret now has a beef with his hot milf baby sister???
CavemanJesus4Life 6 months ago
yeah flair sucks. his wrestling is cheesball wrestling. people started thinking wrestling was fake when flair came along.
Conan7712 6 months ago
WTF has Bret's family got to do with the question? Fuck you Flair! As Shane Douglas said, "You sucked then, and you suck now!"
killianmonson 6 months ago
stone cold pissed on hogan and wcw
readingfcshaun 7 months ago
Which wife does Ric call "the bad one"?
His third wife?
WhiteStar11111 7 months ago
@14njd14 Let me guess...Brett Hart mark?
bull864 8 months ago
man hulk hogan sucks so badly...........hogan did't make wresltemania so great the whole line up of kick ass wrestlers made it great pleeeeeeeezzzzzzzz.....I dont care how much he sold. he isn't the hottest thing in wrestling theres more pore people than rich and theres a lot of votes that aint counted...fuck hogan
Conan7712 8 months ago
Diane cared about Davey Boy career after Owen death, that is sad.
slippyal2 8 months ago
I'm a little torn because I'm a big fan of both Bret and Ric. I wish these two would sit down and have a few drinks so they can work out their differences. They were both such big icons in the business...it's sad that they have issues.
bull864 9 months ago
@bull864 rik flair sucks...he is funny though but that doesn't make him a great wrestler
Conan7712 8 months ago
@bull864 rik flair sucks...he is funny though but that doesn't make him a great wrestler he also doesn't look like he gots any balls
Conan7712 8 months ago
@Conan7712 Flair was a good wrestler and the best ever on the mic. Enough said.
bull864 8 months ago
@bull864 yeah hes funny but he isn't even in the top ten list of wrestlers.
Conan7712 8 months ago
@Conan7712 Name me ten better..
bull864 8 months ago
@bull864 hitman, hbold, rude, perfect, bulldog, fuckn kamala, tug boat, earth quake, barbarian, hercules, sunny, ming, brooklyn brawler, bastian booger, berry hordy, you know!
Conan7712 6 months ago
@Conan7712 haha you've lost your mind.
bull864 6 months ago
ric flair should have done a show on the brady bunch vs alice
Budsmoker72 9 months ago
Ric. You old, bitter, ego-maniac!
tonypanz 9 months ago
ric flair is a pathetic old man.
whenever he is on TNA, i fast forward the PVR.
Bret Hart is the best in-ring performer of all time.
bret's worst match is better then flairs best.
tomlott 10 months ago
come on piper quit kissing flairs ass and stand up for bret
666rocko 10 months ago 16
@666rocko Ric was actually talking some truth here as there is tension between alot of the Hart brothers and sisters. Bret had issues with the book Diana released.
rmathew2 9 months ago
@666rocko You are right, that was disappointing!
judahsong 9 months ago
@666rocko fuck that, brets a fuckin cunt, & the whole world knows it but you.
jdbankshot 7 months ago
@666rocko
Get a clue, it's all about personality and Bret has NONE to speak of; Bret's pissed that he spent so much time in wrestling but got so little to show for it-- that's show-biz!
Ric is kissing Roddy's ass more than vice-versa; he ADMITTED that Roddy made a lot better decisions than he did, Flair clearly had a rough time because he did things the hard way.
Piper was good friends with the Hart family, but he wouldn't say that about Bret Hart if it wasn't true.
postalmeter 7 months ago
@666rocko Piper is a notorious ass kisser; a year or two before he was hanging out with Bruno Sammartino and criticizing WWF; then he went back to WWF; I liked Piper a lot as a wrestler-but he speaks with forked tongue like Billy Graham. Piper did not have the balls to say Bruno should be in WWE HOF (along with Karl Gotch, Bruiser Brody, Mil Mascaras, and what was that guy's name...yea, Lou Thesz. )
RPenta 5 months ago
flair just loves the sound of his own voice, wanting to interrupt Roddy and speak for him all the time. Flair is a self indulgent man who thinks everyone else was crap compared to him. He only ever stared in ONE Wrestlemania yet when you hear him talk you would think he was in like 10 of them all in main events
TheMrmoonlight 10 months ago
Bret is nothing but a cry baby...and everybody knows it! Hogan put warrior over, why wouldn't Bret put Shawn over! Bret was doing the same thing to Shawn...that he accused Hogan of doing to him! Bret talks behind everybody's back! He just mad because he never reached the heights that Hulkamania did!
joeybrabham 10 months ago
can Flair stop interupting Piper? Holy attention hound.
wanaply9 11 months ago
The reason Flair is so finacially fuck** is that he was too busy living the gimmick..had he kept it in his pants then he would be a very rich man to this day as well as having a normal well adjusted bunch of children as opposed to the fuck** up family and finacial situation he has today..pity this poor ol bastard!...How he has the balls to rip on brett is beyond me!
Jacksiin1 11 months ago
@Jacksiin1 I know, right. A guy who was 16-time world heavyweight champ, which means main-event money, working for WCW when they had good business and he was a main guy, working for Vince when the WWE was huge, big-time PPV matches with PPV pay, all the endorsements, appearances, etc. royalties and whatever else. He must have really fucked up.
theShowStopper321 10 months ago
Bret > Flair
KillJesus 11 months ago
championship he had 3 very different matches at KOTR 1993 and worked hard to get to WM 10 and had 2 matches there he even jobbed to his brother then beat yoko.
IMO yoko shouldn't of had that belt it was bret's but cus hogan wanted the spotlight he wanted to win again at WM cus he's a fucking cunt who's only in it for himself..Ric flair is a hypocrite he bad mouths everyone behind there back including TNA he hated TNA and where is he now? He even bad mouthed eric bishoff I bet there best friends
MrDontstareitsrude 11 months ago
@MrDontstareitsrude bischoff and flair hated each other for years and flair and hogan have had backstage heat before but ric is flat broke he needs tna! it's sad realy.
oldschool6804 7 months ago
All you lot are so stupid bret is the best and has the best matches with everyone..
when you see 1 flair match you have seen them all. when you have seen 1 hogan match you have seen them all.
I'll think you'll find bret jobbed to a lot of people in his career and didn't miss hardly any shows. He jobbed to michaels yet michaels wouldn't job to him.
Bret was the best in the business and made a lot of people he even jobbed to yokozuna and went a whole year proving himself that he was worthy of the
MrDontstareitsrude 11 months ago
diana hart was always jealous of bret he's the 1 that made da most money right?? lol
TheBestEVER4LIFE 1 year ago
lol @ flair speaking for roddy.
MisterMeddle 1 year ago
Hulk Hogan is and always was the hottest thing in Wrestling! Love him or Hate him but the numbers don't lie! Don't give me nothing about Steve Austin either. You believe that he out sold hogan...then your a fool. That is some Crap that Vince McMahon made up to get from under Hogan's shadow! Hogan is the one that made the Wrestlemania's so successful! Everybody in the media wanted a piece of him! Hogan was selling worldwide in 80s...Hogan was drawing huge before his WWF days! Huge in the AWA!
joeybrabham 1 year ago 9
@joeybrabham The hulk hogan gimmick was ripped off from a wrestler long before he got in the business. Hogan is the biggest name but not the best ever, Austin & Rocks popularity as well as respect from their peers over shadows hogan. Alot of wrestling fans & wrestlers hate him. T he part about hogan drawing most money, if that is true why did vince become a billionaire in late 2000 and not the late 80's when hogan was the main draw ?
86Stooy 11 months ago
@86Stooy The reason he became a billionaire in the late 2000 is because he has 12 pay per views a year now at 50 dollars a pop back when Hogan was really rolling with the WWF it had 4 and gradually moved up. Two different brands on television....In the early 90s he tried pushing Hogan away, while he was making several million dollars a year, and trust me other superstars weren't that far behind him....superstars today ain't pulling that in plus everything so damn expensive now!
joeybrabham 11 months ago
@86Stooy hogan main evented more wrestlemanias then rock and austin combined.
vince became a billionaire in the attitude era is because he made the WWF a publicly traded company.
you couldnt buy WWF stock in the 80's.
you really have no clue what you speak of and need to stop.
tomlott 10 months ago
@tomlott thats not even close to being true ahaha.he made the wwf public in 2000. at the end of the attidude era. he didn't make that much off it. learn some shit
BringBackSOAD 9 months ago
@joeybrabham I hated the Hulkamania thing. But yes, you are absolutely correct. And the fact that he was a main event, provided a stage for others to do something if they were talented enough. And if they were talented enough to be matched against Hogan, they hyped the hell out of it to the point that his villain had a lot of notoriety.
StanBennet 11 months ago
@joeybrabham well said
lostbot101 10 months ago
@joeybrabham Not so. Hogan drew amazing in the 80's but against no competition. WCW was not a competitor. Boxing wasn't close to what UFC would become and there was no internet and cell phones and cable companies with 1000 channels. Austin drew more ratings sold more ppv's and sold more merchandise than Hogan in an era with TONS more competition than Hogan's era had. Maybe you aren't aware that Austin sold 3x's more merch than Hogan at his peak. While killing NWO and Goldberg merch sales as well
mazzaroti 9 months ago
@mazzaroti LOL
frednichols 8 months ago
@mazzaroti Hogan and the WWF had lots of competition in the 80s' NWA and the AWA was huge in the 1980's....Wrestling today is not like it was back then, they wrestled every night, running three towns a night, always selling out. I'm glad you brought up the internet...because back then when WWF was running its hardest there was not a 1000 channels and the internet promoting it. The world was more aware of the attitude era...which i still don't believe it out sold the hogan era
joeybrabham 7 months ago
@joeybrabham Na the Stone Cold era did out sell the Hulkster era, much as i respect both eras. era era era hahah anyway the late 80s WWF was more child and family oriented you could say. When Steve came in and re-wrote the book on how its done it brought in a fan base that was much wider and older who controlled there own wallets,not mom and dad. It was an adult rated R movie. Hogan may have broader appeal for inventing the wheel but from 97-03,the WWF sky rocketed to a bigger$buisness than ever
joshpk84 6 months ago
@joeybrabham Austin is at least equal with Hogan, he saved WWF, and dont say "it wasnt just him" because it was, he defined and was the PIONEER of the attitude era. Pioneer is the key word. Ric Flair said it himself at his induction I believe. Regardless he said it, I know the video is on youtube somewhere.
SuperDj316 9 months ago
@SuperDj316
Ric Flair is a fucking phoney. He might have said good things about Austin when Austin was there at the HOF. But ask him some stuff about Austin now, guaranteed Flair will bury him. Flair is the kind of guy that smiles in your face and pisses on your name behind your back. Him words mean jack shit to me...
Kingjd87 9 months ago
@Kingjd87 man rick flair exemplifies old man wrestling... i've never been a fan...........even in 91 he still loooked 60 to me
Conan7712 8 months ago
@SuperDj316 I agree that Austin was a factor in winning the Monday Night Wars back in the late 90s but I believe Austin wouldn't have had the chance if Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels didn't keep the company rolling through it's worst times (about 1993 - 1996). I also believe if it wasn't for Austin's matches with Bret Hart (Wrestlemania 13 and Canadian Stampede come to mind) Austin's legacy would have not jumped to that next step.
BobbyUK1979 8 months ago 2
@BobbyUK1979 yeah bret hart was the fuckn man right?
Conan7712 8 months ago
@joeybrabham puh-leeeeze !!!!! big star does not equal talent in the ring. terry had the same 20 moves in every match & in a shoot, piper or flair woulda crippled him easily. are nickelback good cuz they're huge? no, they suck. in pipers' words, hogan could " carry the ball", meaning he could do the job at it's bare minimum. granted, hogan had tons of charisma, but even in his promos, anyone can tell that he's acting. piper & flair promos, the purity is obvious. lou thesz..."hogans no wrestler"
jdbankshot 7 months ago
@joeybrabham so what if the media wants a piece of you, that only reflects the charisma hogan had, combined with the promotion & marketing that vince pumped into him. the first wrestlemania was made successful by piper... everyone wanted to see the bad guy get his ass kicked cuz of what he did to cyndi lauper & capt. lou...a hero is only as good as his villan. the fact that hogan was the biggest star also reflects the gullible nature of mainstream sheep like you, buying all the shit they sell us
jdbankshot 7 months ago
@jdbankshot I love Piper, just as much as I love hogan. In fact, I'm going to meet him in august and your right that it takes a great heal to make a great face but they could put Hogan in there with Earl Hebner and would have sold the same....People need to get real and give Hogan his credit. Okay Piper help sell Wrestlemania. Let's look at Wrestlemania 2 and 3 and 4 and 5 and 6 and 7 and 8 and even 9. I'm not downing Piper he's the greatest heel that ever lived.
joeybrabham 7 months ago
@joeybrabham To bad he's done nothing for TNA so he doesn't have "it" anymore.
TheForgottenFlesh 7 months ago
@joeybrabham man fuckn hulk hogan cant even lace up bastian booger's boots. hogan is the biggest non wrestler that ever made it in wrestling.
Conan7712 6 months ago
@Conan7712 Who is more overrated as a wrestler: Hogan or Trish Stratus?
RPenta 5 months ago
@RPenta did hogan have the 36 double d artillery shells
Conan7712 5 months ago
@Conan7712 No that was Trish-did that help her be overrated?
RPenta 5 months ago
@joeybrabham Hogan bigger draw perhaps but Austin was a better wrestler and took the company to new heights. Hogan is a selfish, manipulating man....I hope the Ultimate Warrior teaches Hogan a lesson for the lies he told about Savage.
themax316 6 months ago
@joeybrabham McMahon had the talents to make WWF/E what it is. Hogan needed the big stage McMahon offered to get over the top. No VKM, no Hulk Hogan that we know.
Swazi4 5 months ago
@joeybrabham : Well, yes and no... you have to understand that Hogan's success (his pop culture success, mind you) depends entirely on McMahon. McMahon cultivated a totally different audience than wrestling had before... he marketed his product to kids. Middle America kids. Why? They were ignorant of what "good" wrestling was and they spent their (or their parents') disposable income foolishly. Hogan could not have gotten over the way he did had Vince not suckered kids and shoved him down...
DeepSouthWrestling1 5 months ago 2
@DeepSouthWrestling1 ... their throats. So, in a sense, you are correct... Hogan was/is huge. But, let's face it, his work sucked. His promos were boring and predictable, his in-ring performance was embarrassing and, as history has shown us, he had an ego that was out of control and only interested in money. Hogan was the tool McMahon used to totally turn wrestling into the dog shit it has been for over 20 years now. However, you are totally wrong about Austin... for a brief period he was...
DeepSouthWrestling1 5 months ago
@DeepSouthWrestling1 ... more popular than Hogan and outsold his merch. He drew much bigger numbers in PPV buys than Hogan ever could hope to. Granted, timing has alot to do with that but, as you say, "numbers don't lie".
DeepSouthWrestling1 5 months ago
@DeepSouthWrestling1 Not true. Hogan was already huge before McMahon hired him. Hogan was fresh from the movie Rocky III and hugely popular. McMahon needed a star with mainstream appeal. He used Hogan to launch his organization the way it is now.
Michael272727 3 weeks ago
@Michael272727 : He was big, but certainly not the biggest star in wrestling... to do that, you had to dumb down the audience. That's what Vince did. Hogan was certainly the centerpiece of McMahon's promotion, but he could have plugged someone else in that spot if he had to. Hogan would have never gotten as big as he did without Vince.
DeepSouthWrestling1 2 weeks ago
@joeybrabham thats only because he was in a movie that was exposed to the world is why he gained his popularity,rocky 3 was great and this is why i watched hogan because he made rocky look like a small nugget
dru713281 4 months ago
@joeybrabham and to make you happy yes every wrestler routine get old but what made austin good was he could actually be funny and tell a joke that made the audience freak even now what is still going on and its almost been 10 years since it was born during the invasion promos,HOgan was just the good guy that all the little maniacs would cheer for because he was fight for your rights brother do the right thing which all kids love,hogan was forced down our throats and why tna today is drowning !!
dru713281 4 months ago
I can't believe yall said that Vince took the belt off Flair because he could not draw. It's all about building story lines and emotions. He has always been a draw. Back then the WWF always had the baby face champion...if a heel ever had the title it was only for a short period of time...the business soared because Hogan was in and out of Wrestling. Bret was a great wrestler but not no big attraction like Hulk Hogan or even the Ultimate Warrior...(YES I SAID WARRIOR...HE WAS A HUGE DRAW!)
joeybrabham 1 year ago
i agree warrior was a big draw
TheBestEVER4LIFE 1 year ago
@joeybrabham Flair said himself he dropped the belt to bret because he had a loose bone in his inner ear that was causing his equalibream to be screwed up. He has said he was suprised the match wasn't a total discrace because his balance was so off.
bigrigbob2010 11 months ago
I now know why scott steiner hated rick flair back then
pouringblue7 1 year ago
@pouringblue7 : Yeah... jealousy.
DeepSouthWrestling1 1 year ago
@DeepSouthWrestling1 I highly doubt scott steiner was jealous of flair. I think scott spoke from his heart and I always wondered why he dispised flair soomuch, but judging by this vid u can kinda see why. I think flair is still bitter from losing the wwf belt to Bret. Bret even thanked flair for the opprtunity in an interview after the match. In my opinion Bret was a better wrestler than flair. It has to look real and some of flair's in ring stuff was over the top/not to convincing. 3 steps fall
pouringblue7 1 year ago
@pouringblue7 : Steiner was most definitely jealous of Flair... why do you think he cut that shoot promo on him in WCW?? That didn't get Steiner over or help business. His jealousy of an old man being more over than him ate away at him. Combine that with the amount of steroids swimming around his metabolism, and the guy probably wasn't cognizant of much... there's some promo comps of Steiner here on YouTube, and they really show what numbskull he is. And, no Flair isn't bitter about dropping...
DeepSouthWrestling1 1 year ago
@pouringblue7 :... the belt to Bret, but the promo you're talking about was a work, of course. Afterwords, Bret openly complained to the press how "overrated" Flair was, and his match with him was disappointing. THAT was what irked Flair. Has Flair acted like a bitter old crank towards Bret for years after? Yes he has. But there's been alot of that from Bret, too. In all honesty, they both act like spoiled children. However, I have to disagree on your assessment of Flair v Bret as far as...
DeepSouthWrestling1 1 year ago
@pouringblue7 :...in ring performance goes. NO wrestler is "convincing" in the ring... once you run the ropes or execute a drop kick (much less a move off the top rope), all credibility is out the window. That's like saying that you prefer Daffy Duck because Bugs Bunny was "too cartoon".
DeepSouthWrestling1 1 year ago
@DeepSouthWrestling1 Dude the point of wrestling is to make it look as real as possible without hurting/killing ur opponent. Otherwise There would be no such thing as bloopers or botches in wrestling. People won't pay to watch someone get hit by invisible punches. Otherwise its just a soap opera. The point I was trying to make is that ric should not talk about another mans family the way he did here or if he's man enough to "man" comments like this he shouldnt sugar coat it. Tell the wholestory
pouringblue7 1 year ago
@pouringblue7 : No, the point of wrestling is to allow the audience to suspend disbelief and get caught up in the angles and matches, much like a Rocky movie. Surely, you can see a Rocky movie looks nothing like a real boxing match. Just as a wrestling match looks nothing like a real fight. From Hogan to Angle, none of them do. As far as Flair gossiping, I agree 100%... most, if not all, wrestlers seem to have public etiquette problems.
DeepSouthWrestling1 1 year ago
@pouringblue7 people get hurt it's not as easy it looks
oldschool6804 7 months ago
@oldschool6804 I never said it was easy. Some of the stuff ray mysterio Jr. did in WCW and ECW def was not easy.
pouringblue7 7 months ago
@pouringblue7 watch vader v.s.c actus jack before you say wrestling is fake idiot!
oldschool6804 7 months ago
@oldschool6804 Relax buddy. Wrestling is not a contest. Don't take it so serious. The wrestlers know who is going to win or lose before the match. This is no big secret. There are things that are real and fake. If a 350 lb man punches you in the face I don't think you would be able to wrestle a 30 minute match would you? and plus when did I say it was "fake" Relax man.
pouringblue7 7 months ago
@pouringblue7 you're wrong vader really hit him it was real i'm not going to relax you condescending prick!
oldschool6804 7 months ago
@oldschool6804 Dude are you on crack?! I never said vader didn't hit him! I didn't even bring that match/topic up! I didn't say anything about that match other thn I said I saw it already after u told me to watch it. What's your deal man!?!
pouringblue7 7 months ago
@pouringblue7 you said you can't continue after a 350 lb man punches you well you're wrong stfu!
oldschool6804 7 months ago
@oldschool6804 Are u an idiot? I was referring to that match. 350 lb man as in Hogan in his prime, Ultimate warrior, Bobby lashley, batista, etc. It was a generalization. I Never said anything about Vader not hitting mick folley. Stop picking arguements online. It's stupid. What's your deal man. I feel like I could say that wrestling is more real than MMA and you'd still find something to argue with me about. Chill out man. Its not that serious.
pouringblue7 7 months ago
@oldschool6804 I meant was not referring to that match. And if youre going to get mad and argue with people online atleast have it be based on things they said.
pouringblue7 7 months ago
@oldschool6804 and plus I already seen the match u told me to go watch. I've seen mick foleys matches in Japan and the blood is def real.
pouringblue7 7 months ago
@DeepSouthWrestling1 I meant man enought to make comments....typo
pouringblue7 1 year ago
@DeepSouthWrestling1 Well thats ur opinion bro your entitled to it, but when WCW was around mostly what I remember from the NWO era was ric flair getting beat up by a different member of the NWO week in and week out while Bret was main eventing in WWF.
pouringblue7 1 year ago
@pouringblue7 : Well, yes... but you can surely see that has less to do with Flair than it does with poor management... WCWs writers weren't very good. I mean, it wasn't long before Bret himself found this out, right? And Bret was main eventing, but he was also refusing to do jobs... very unprofessional. He also had one foot out the door.
DeepSouthWrestling1 1 year ago
oh shit i wanna have a drink with these two
palletbitch 1 year ago
bret rich, flairs broke....brets book sold, flairs is toilet paper...flair is just jelous
prototype00000 1 year ago
@prototype00000 Yeah Bret is so rich that he went back to WWE after saying he would NEVER work for Vince again. Bret's such a hypocrite. Flair jealous? Hell no. Flair is selfless and didn't mind putting guys over for the good of the business. Bret HATED jobbing. He's such a mark for himself that he really thinks he is the best there is, was.... blah blah blah.
bjohns1975 11 months ago
20K a month? Good God.
ochoastl 1 year ago
Ric ought to run for NC governor he would win 80% to 20%.
ryan1977ify 1 year ago
@ryan1977ify shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii.......
thepoofer 1 year ago
I question Flair's remark that territories were overrated. Compare the number of guys who made their living as full time wrestlers through the territories to the number who do the same today. With territories, there were more employers and not every wrestler had to be a superstar (like the WW "no room for jobbers" E). Flair's idea of "hard" must be working for anything less than six digits a year if he thinks territories only "worked" for guys like him and Roddy.
TheLeroyMoon 1 year ago
@TheLeroyMoon : To an extent I agree, but the fact is back in the territory days, performers got fucked out of money alot more than these days... the guaranteed contracts mean the guys get paid. So many promoters were underhanded weasels back then... however, just look at the product today as opposed to back then. Clearly, it was superior back then...
DeepSouthWrestling1 1 year ago
@DeepSouthWrestling1 The product was superior because the wrestlers truly wanted to be wrestlers and nothing else. I've heard my share of weasel-like promotor stories, but I think there are as many today with all the indie promotions that sprout up only to leave town on a dime. From the 60s through the 90s, I think a good wrestler could make a steady living so long as he dealt with only well-established promotors. Though not all of these were fair, at least they all had something to lose.
TheLeroyMoon 1 year ago
@TheLeroyMoon ... and knew how to conduct himself. The indie promoters are probably weasels these days, but they don't have the foothold on the biz the "legit" promoters did back in the 60s-80s. And it's certainly true that there were more people making their living in wrestling back then than now, but all the "blacklisting" that went on back then was pretty illegal...
DeepSouthWrestling1 1 year ago
The thing Flair seems to forget is in his time, he did draw a lot of money, but in his territories, not all over the U.S. In Brets time, he drew money all over the U.S. and all over the world. He was the biggest draw in the UK, I remember when he and Bulldog wrestled at SS92 in Wembley, there were just as many Bret fans if not more. Flair couldn't do that.
Bringing Brets family into it but just shows how petty he is and everyone knows about Ellie and Diana anyway, he made himself look bad
toyboyderby 1 year ago
@toyboyderby : You're wrong... as the last NWA traveling champ, Flair drew all over the US and Japan. Whenever Flair came to Memphis, Texas, Georgia or St Louis, the gates jumped. Also, don't forget that it's really harder to draw in a territory than it is when you're part of a corporate conglomerate with millions of dollars behind you and you're in a town once every 6 months... Flair could draw in the same towns week after week, Bret never could, even in Canada...
DeepSouthWrestling1 1 year ago
@DeepSouthWrestling1 Boy do I ever agree! Everything I've ever read lists Hart's inability to draw - despite the vast marketing machine behind him - as one of the main reasons Vince wanted to demote him. Furthermore, Hart had the industry handed to him on a platter because of his father; Flair was a self-made man who drew in most every country he wrestled.
TheLeroyMoon 1 year ago
@TheLeroyMoon : Well, I think Hart had to prove himself in WWF. I mean, he was pushed in Calgary (by his pop, natch) but, really, Stampede never drew very well, even with Dynamite. As soon as Hart went elsewhere, he jobbed. It took him years to finally break out of the tag division and get a singles push. Speaking of that singles push, if we are to be honest we must admit that push came about more because Bret wasn't a steroid hag and less because of his ability in the ring...
DeepSouthWrestling1 1 year ago
@TheLeroyMoon Vinny Mac himself said Bret drew well & was the biggest draw in Europe. When Bret took over WWF was going through its lowest period with all the steriod & sex scandals. Flair came to WWF but couldn't draw, so Vince took the belt off him & gave it to Bret. Bret was also a self made man, yeah he had Stu, but he started off in the territories as a jobber working his way all the way to the top. If having Stu Hart as a dad was enough Keith, Bruce & Smith Hart would have been stars too!
toyboyderby 1 year ago
@toyboyderby : No, no, no... Bret didn't draw well either. Not his fault, but there it is. He didn't take the belt off Flair because he wasn't drawing... he did it because Bret wasn't on steroids. Bret didn't draw well in his initial outing with the belt, either. The other Hart boys were older that Bret at that point. If not, Vince would have taken them, too. Bret didn't work his way up in the territories, that's laughable!! He made a few shots here and there, he stayed close to Canada...
DeepSouthWrestling1 1 year ago
@toyboyderby :... because he WAS taken care of by his dad. Did you read his book? The only place he jobbed with any consistency was when he first arrived in the WWF... and he bitches, pisses and moans about it!!! He was spoon-fed opponents in Canada and totally pushed above his talents. No big deal, really because nepotism runs wild in wrestling, but to call him a "self made man" is ridiculous...
DeepSouthWrestling1 1 year ago
@DeepSouthWrestling1 Yeah he jobbed in the WWF and made it to the top, look at other kids who had their dads as promoters & then failed miserably in the WWE, Brian Christopher? He wasn't spoon fed opponents during his Stampede days either, he pushed his way through by having great matches with Dynamite Kid. You're saying the only reason Vince put the belt on Bret was because he wasn't on roids? Flair wasn't on roids in the 90s either. Bret was the best thing about WWE that time & so deserved it.
toyboyderby 1 year ago
@toyboyderby : But you're trying to say he went ALL OVER and jobbed, like so many others did. Christopher didn't "fail miserably" either, he was in an over tag team that won the titles. It wasn't his ability that caused him to get fired, it was his drug use. And Dyno was having great matches with everyone. At that time, Bret wasn't. You can thank Dyno for those great matches. Hell, he should get credit for helping train Bret, cuz his game sure went up afterwords. And Flair certainly did...
DeepSouthWrestling1 1 year ago
@toyboyderby :... dabble with 'roids at that time, specifically to come to WWF. I'm not saying that's the only reason Vince put the belt on Bret, it was the MAIN one... I admit he proved himself by having great matches afterwords, but what got him to the dance, so to speak, was the fact that he was relatively 'roid-free.
DeepSouthWrestling1 1 year ago
@toyboyderby I wasn't the CFO & I never saw any figures. Also, isolating a single wrestler as "the draw" on a card isn't an exact science. If either man had trouble drawing in the other's stomping ground, the difference could be the grounds. The NWA/WCW worked in countries where WWF had little presence & vice versa, WWF fans prefered babyface champs, etc..
So...Hart's career progressed through the same stages everyone in his era followed - under KAYFABE, 2nd gens always had a leg up.
TheLeroyMoon 1 year ago
Get SOBER PIPER!!!!!
Vthesurety1 1 year ago
Ric might want to listen to the rest of the family's opinion of Diana and Ellie before he takes their opinions at face value. Christ, they were feeding Vince and his lawyers information about Owen's wife Martha's lawsuit against the WWF because they were trying to get jobs for their husbands. Are you kidding me? It was in Bret's book and it was in Martha's book. Those two bitches should never be listened to
fundyspokerblog 1 year ago
@fundyspokerblog : You don't know that for a fact, you're just going by what Bret says in his shitty book... Martha is just as big a cunt as Diane or Ellie...
DeepSouthWrestling1 1 year ago
@DeepSouthWrestling1 How would you know this about Martha? Do you know her? If both of them are writing the same thing, wouldn't you think it's probably closer to the truth? Do you think they collaborated on each other's books even though they don't talk to each other that much anymore? I'll take Bret's book over most others because his stories are based on stories he recorded on a machine after they happened, when memories were fresh. Not from someone remembering 30 years ago
fundyspokerblog 1 year ago
@fundyspokerblog : Well, I don't know anything pertaining to wrestling to be actual fact, I'm just going by what I've read. I do know that Martha doesn't want WWE to market dvds with Hart in them (she actually tried to sue them over this), I know Martha kept Owen's kids away from Owen's family, I know Martha cut communication with the entire family once she got her settlement (and this includes Bret, who helped her in her lawsuit) and, most of all, I know Martha is ungrateful... she takes...
DeepSouthWrestling1 1 year ago
@DeepSouthWrestling1 Well, if anything her and Bret write in her book are even remotely true then I would keep the kids away from them too. Now that Stu and Helen have both passed, what good are the rest of them as it pertains to her life or her kids? I will agree that the lawsuit is pretty ridiculous and she needs to come to terms that the reason she's had a decent living while Owen was alive was because he was a wrestler. That being said, she probably should get some sort of royalty...
fundyspokerblog 1 year ago
@fundyspokerblog : But that's the thing... she was doing this BEFORE either Helen or Stu died. Regardless, "what good are the rest of them" is they are family... the fact that she doesn't like them is no cause to keep them away from family. She's holding a grudge against wrestling in general, and since the Harts were so involved with wrestling she keeps the kids away... IMO this makes her look like a total bitch! Also, she wasn't suing for royalties, she wanted the use of Owen's matches stopped!
DeepSouthWrestling1 1 year ago
@DeepSouthWrestling1 Well, like I said, if those people did any of the things that she and Bret claim in their books then I wouldn't let them near my kids either. They sure weren't concerned about Owen and his family during the lawsuit, which is something you would think family members would be behind, so why should she talk to them now? I wouldn't. The wrestling connection doesn't have any bearing on it.
fundyspokerblog 1 year ago
@fundyspokerblog : But that's only Ellie, Diane and possibly Bruce... and with Ellie and Diane the ulterior motives were to get their husbands jobs. Also, both these women come from abusive relationships and the only reason I bring this up is not to excuse their behavior, but because Martha worked at an abused shelter at one time so she should certainly be a little more sympathetic to them than she has been... regardless, she's cut off communication with the WHOLE family, not only the bad seeds.
DeepSouthWrestling1 1 year ago
@fundyspokerblog ... opportunity to trash wrestling, despite the fact that EVERY CENT SHE HAS CAME FROM WRESTLING one way or another. I understand that losing a spouse is a terrible thing, particularly when it's as unnecessary as Owen's death, but this petty, vindictive woman has acted terribly in the public forum at almost every turn... I don't make a habit of defending Vince, but it's obvious that this was a terrible accident, yet Martha would have you believe Vince meant to do it...
DeepSouthWrestling1 1 year ago
@DeepSouthWrestling1 ...from Vince if they're using Owen's image for financial gain. The other wrestlers do and I'm pretty sure Vickie gets monies from anything to do with Eddie, so why shouldn't she get the same consideration?
fundyspokerblog 1 year ago
I've read Martha's book and she has come to understand it was an accident but you are right in that she needs to let the bitterness go. Bret has let it go, why can't she?
fundyspokerblog 1 year ago
@fundyspokerblog : Exactly!! Some people have said Bret is a hypocrite for going back to WWE, but what's the guy supposed to do? Hold onto his anger for the rest of his life? IMO, that would be much worse... and this is exactly what Martha is doing. She never came to terms with the fact that Owen is/was a wrestler. If you haven't read it already, there's a book about the Stampede territory (author's name I forgot) that goes into all this without the bias Martha's book (and Bret's book) has...
DeepSouthWrestling1 1 year ago
I do agree that Flair had a far superior career to Bret Hart. He had loads more charisma and could definitely work a promo better than Bret ever could. Bret was a superior wrestler, but as for entertainment, Flair was one of the best in the business. Saying that,I have lost much more respect for Ric though after watching this clip. What he says about Bret proves that whether he reads the internet or not, he is jealous of Bret and Bret's fanfare.
MrWrestlingGuy2010 1 year ago
@MrWrestlingGuy2010
But what he said about Bret Hart and his family was extremely unprofessional, and proves just how insecure of a person he really is. I think Roddy handled this well by not indulging in the trash that Ric was saying about Bret. All three men are legends in this business though.
MrWrestlingGuy2010 1 year ago
@MrWrestlingGuy2010 : But what everyone forgets is the roots of this feud were laid down by Bret back when Flair jobbed for him... Bret was never grateful for this, immediately going to the press and complaining how "overrated" Flair was... the fact is, no matter how horribly Flair conducts his personal life (and I admit, the past few years Flair has looked like a stupid asshole), in the ring or on the mic Bret can't hold a candle...
DeepSouthWrestling1 1 year ago
Yes Flair has gotten goofy over the years & certainly takes himself & his role in pro wrestling too serious these days. But Bret Hart, for as good as he was, is not in the same class as Ric Flair. Bret was great w/ the Hart Foundation & his in ring performance w/ guys like Perfect & Michaels was fantastic. But he had to be matched with an equally great opponent or his matches were just OK & robotic. Flair (pre flair-flop-corner-flip ad nauseum years) was not limited like that.
cheux1 1 year ago
@cheux1 I have to disagree, If you look at King of the Ring, Bret fought 3 very different opponents and gave us 3 very different matches. Flair was great on the mic but no where near as good as Bret in the ring. Even when Bret fought Yokozuna, he made the matches worth watching, whereas you look at Hogan vs Yokozuna and they were poor and very short.
Bret would tell his story in the ring. Even Vinny Mac said Bret would give you the best match of the night every time he went out there.
toyboyderby 1 year ago
@toyboyderby : The only thing, those matches were boring, which is my main complaint with Hart. Technically, he was sound enough, but he was dull... Flair's matches were much more exciting. Flair could make me emotionally involved in the matches. The only time Hart really succeeded in that aspect was when he turned heel and wrestled Austin...and I think that had much more to do with Austin than Hart.
DeepSouthWrestling1 1 year ago
@DeepSouthWrestling1 Well I think a lot would agree Brets Matches weren't boring, his matches with Owen, Perfect, HBK & Austin were awesome. Flair was entertaining but I never cared much for any of his matches.
toyboyderby 1 year ago
@toyboyderby : Well, everyone has an opinion. I agree that those matches were good, but in the cases of Austin, Michaels and Perfect, I think the quality had more to do with his opponents than Bret himself. My main problem with Bret is he couldn't get me emotionally involved with his matches... technically sound, but he couldn't really promo, he had no facial expressions, etc... you didn't care for ANY of Flair's matches?? C'mon...
DeepSouthWrestling1 1 year ago
@toyboyderby : Well, everyone has an opinion... and I agree those matches were fine, but I think it had more to do with Bret's opponents than Bret himself. Bret could have a good match depending on who he was in there with, while Flair could have a good match with ANYONE. Bret was a good, solid technical wrestler. But he couldn't promo, he had no facial expressions, etc...
DeepSouthWrestling1 1 year ago
@toyboyderby : Well, sure... everyone has an opinion. And I agree that the matches you mentioned are good ones, but I believe that has more to do with his opponents than Bret himself. Bret was a sound technical wrestler, sure, but he couldn't promo, he had no facial expressions, he had no fire, he couldn't brawl, etc... he was good at one thing, technical wrestling. Flair could do it all. Flair could make people hate him, Bret couldn't... at least not in a working way.
DeepSouthWrestling1 1 year ago
@DeepSouthWrestling1 Must be why Vince took the belt off Flair and gave it to Bret. Flair failed miserably in WWF. I agree Brets promos weren't great, but he told his story in the ring. Vince gave Bret one of the biggest contracts of all time, he wouldn't do that unless Bret could draw. Bret carried the business during an extremely bad period for the WWF. Flair was big in his territories but he couldn't draw in a worldwide organisation, he just couldn't.
toyboyderby 1 year ago
@toyboyderby : You couldn't be more wrong... Mantaur "failed miserably", so did Doug Furnas, Jerry Lynn and Lance Storm. Flair had a great run. He took the belt off Flair the same reason he ended up taking it off Bret... he wanted a change. Business was bad all around at that point in time. No one is to blame except for Vince, because the whole steroid scandal was HIS fault. And, fyi, with a worldwide organization, no one performer is responsible, which is how Vince wants it. Particularly...
DeepSouthWrestling1 1 year ago
@toyboyderby :... not when Bret was on top. Not really his fault, though. However, Bret wasn't chosen to be champ because he could draw, he was chosen because he wasn't on the gas. Bret's first reign has been called one of the lowest points in WWF history, drawing wise (right behind Shawn's reign) because of the scandals, just like Flair's. He gave Bret a big contract, sure, but he also reneged on it also... so what does that mean?
DeepSouthWrestling1 1 year ago
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toyboyderby 1 year ago
Ric Flairs body language went from relaxed to 5 different types of language when he started mentioning Bret Hart. Mostly the adjusting of his suit and body in his chair...which basically means he's self concious about it and doesn't really believe all the crap, he's just jealous of Bret Hart
SaddestGray 1 year ago
Ric could not dream of doing the things Bret did in the ring. Ric is a joke and why anyone thinks he is this great legendary wrestler is beyond me. He could talk on the mic without question better than Bret, but his in ring performance could not touch Bret's.
AAORD1 1 year ago
@AAORD1 I agree 100%. Love Flair but Ric was a much better talker than wrestler and could not match Brett Hart in the ring.
aitraining 1 year ago
@AAORD1 I'm saying this as a massive Bret Hart fan. Jim Cornette put it best when he said in Flair's book "There were guys who were better in ring performers, there were guys who were better on the mic, and there were better guys cosmetically, but nobody could put the whole package together like Ric Flair". I think that's what most people are referring to when they talk about Flair being the best of all time. I agree he couldn't touch Hart's in ring performances though
fundyspokerblog 1 year ago
Flair fans go nuts when you say he was not the best wrestler ever, Flair was the best mic guy ever and top 5 as a wrestler but he was not the best. I have been to thousands and thousands of wrestling matches so trust me when I say this Flair was not the best wrestler.
mrbluto3 1 year ago
Who needs wrestling story lines. The out of the ring stories are much more intriguing.
dimsum73 1 year ago
You all love Bret Hart yet last year at wrestlemania he threw away his legacy as a stright arrow guy by taking a paycheck. Watch the Hart documentary from about fifteen years ago and you tell me it doesnt matter what happened in Montreal. Montreal indirectly created the golden era of wrestling 1998-2002. And if you need to ask how, your a damn fool. Clue: 3:16
Pentdad 1 year ago
I used to think very highly of Ric Flair, but over the past few months Ive been watching and reading alot interviews and such and now my opinion of him couldnt be any lower. He does nothing but shit talk anyone who isnt "old school" like him, while at the same time praising fuckin Batista as being amazing..PA-LEASE. He also thinks he's god's gift to wrestling and true enough, he was pretty damn good at one time but theres TONS of guys better than him, Bret being one of them.
xxsandmanxx02 1 year ago
not bad business choices he knows he spent the shit out of his money.
deluxedookie 1 year ago
I wonder which one of these guys has had the most plastic surgery.
RyanKBoman 1 year ago
Did it not even occur to Flair to get a preen-up after his SECOND divorce.
abeedakbar 1 year ago
@abeedakbar
preen-up, maybe it means hard on to flair
deluxedookie 1 year ago
HAHA flair is sitting here crying about not making enough money to pay off his alimony. This dumbass had the opportunity to make $500k with the WWE if he STAYED retired.
hitmanhart670 1 year ago 2
Which wife is Flair referring to as the 'one bad one'?
RichKnight2010 1 year ago
these 2 are drunk especially piper hes wasted
theenforcer1977 1 year ago
ric is a addict to wrestling like drugies are to crack
bizzybez 1 year ago
ric is so jealous of roddy
phildirt3 1 year ago
flair says he was married 3 timesand only only 1 woman was bad..the reason is because she was probably the only one who wouldnt put up with constant infidelity.
bgshort99 1 year ago
god ric flair is a first class asshole... piper's just as bad just sitting there laughing his ass off while his cousin's being ripped to shreds... sure he's got the balls to confront russo about owen in front of all those people but he doesn't even lift a finger to shut flair up...
ResidentBigEvil 1 year ago
these two have a very good rapport with each other. i think i'm gonna buy this.
bigfatbugface 1 year ago
Fuck Bret! He's a piece of shit. He whined about that goddamn so called screwjob for a fucking decade.
deanw0rmer 1 year ago
@deanw0rmer
yeah well if you've been humiliated in front of a home crowd of thousands yourself, then by all means, say anything you want... but until that happens shut the fuck up...
ResidentBigEvil 1 year ago