Holy fucking hand grenade Bat-Man! That's a insanely beautifully built 420a right there my friends. Good job on the build man, props* all the way. DSM ftw.
That turbo setup is so stupid everything is bending twisting and rubbing. Look at that the hose coupler between the turbo and intercooler it was about to shear it in half!
hey man just wondering how much you spent all together on everything you did to your car. i wanna get there at some point just wondering an estimate of how much.
@jaime4491 More than you can ever imagine. This is one of those things where he's doing it for the sake of doing it. A 4g63 build of the same power is vastly more cost effective.
love the set up man this is a well done 420a theres alot of hater that cant recognize i nice job u know u did good and its all about that im thinking going turbo on my dsm u r a good example to follow great job
look! i found a crap ton of money! Lol. definitely nice to see someone working hard on the 420a. If someones gonna do it let it be these guys! That head doesnt even look like a 420a head after all of that rework though. Awesome job DSMZERO major props. Makes me want to finish boring that extra block for some 8.8:1 .020" over pistons. definitely nothing close to this build. Keep it up 2GNTers
OMFG!!! Thats ballz to the wall ass to the crack DOPE!!! FUCK YA!! Give new hope to all 420A drivers out there ESPECIALLY ME!! I have a 99 GS 10th ann edition BLACK 5speed DOHC 2.0L 16v too!!! And After watching this i'm gonna rebuild my motor too!!! OH MY FUCK IM SOOOO EXCITED!!! I mean i know this aint no 4G63 but I don't give a shit, IM GONNA PROJECT MY 420A!!)::)):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)):) POST MORE VIDS OF YOUR RIDE DOIN SOME STREET SPANKIN!! **Faints from excitement**
Ya man thanks the car is a beast to drive. If you have any questions dont be affraid to ask me any thing .....And Stacys car is a CRX with around 800hp i think she goes low 11's maybe 10's i think i have her saved to my favs
@DSMZERO hahahhaahah 800 hp and 11's.... ahahhahahaha thats so funny. my vette has alot more weight to it and runs 8's with slightly more that that.haha, imports
@mathyu0179 Thats what I'm saying,If hes gonna call out a built 420a cause he has a small weiner and drives a vette soemone else built lets see it hot shot.
@dewartt69 Yet you have no link to prove this cause your daddy owns it,People like you are dipshits why pick on somone building an underdog?Especially since corvette owners need hp from the factory cause they lack real tuning knowledge and if you do own the car I'm sure you didnt build it,Your worse then a ricer if thats the case.
@bloodieduckies try to out run a ZR1 vette bone stock on a road course??? u cant so stick to dumping thousands of dollars into a ricer to try to make the same power as they do stock
@dewartt69 well yea zr-1 is a monster of a car I'm sure I would pwn everything I own but what I'm saying is why talk crap about this guys 420a?Its an underdog engine and deserves props for what he has done to it,Yes a zr1 will pwn most anything but this guys eclipse he built hiself and deserves some gratitude for his accomplishment not comments like "My corvette has more hp by xxx blah blah blah,Anyone with money can buy a corvette but it takes skill to build a car from scratch.
I have a 95 talon with a blown motor and am trying to decide what to do. The car is an A/t with the 420A engine. I found a 93 talon thats a standard I can get, problem is, the car hasn't moved in almost 5 years so the owner says, a mechanic has it, the original owner never picked it up after being fixed, a plus is the 93 has a 4g63 engine in it and its a stick shift. My situation is, should I put money into replacing my 95 esi's engine or should I get the 93 and hope for the best??
If you love your 420a just get another motor for it. you can go to any local junk yard and find one. Im pretty sure you and some buddies can do put the new engine in over a weekend.
BUT if you feel like you want a different car then get the 93 the problem is you dont know what kind of mechanical problems that car is gonna have ....it might be more than you think, then that would put you right back into the same situation your in.
damn dude i guess on my psi im gonna do to my 420 and was gonna shoot for 500 at the wheels and i said 20psi lol and not far off so i would guess about 22psi would hit 500+ btw what internals you use im looking at je 8.8:1 pistons and eagle rods but this is just for 10psi to start im gettin the 8psi kit from hahn to bolt on for 8psi for a while and my engine is already built a lil bit but not much so if you dont mind just send me what internals are best. im gettin a stage 3 head also.
if you knew what you were talking about you wouldnt have people proving you wrong ... and for your info . people that have ADHA and take ritalin for it are usually lazy and tired , like a zombie . you should study some psychology and pharmaceutics while your racking your brain trying to prove me wrong .
4g63 7 bolt crankshafts had a huge recall back in the day . the crankshafts were garbage . leading to crankwalk since you have a half weighted crank . the only thing that makes those engines worth a fuck is the block strength . i think your a joke . talkin bout you want a 600whp car and your already trying to get cheaper parts and shit lol . dsmzero had over 50k invested in his car . 10k a year i believe it was . you must not have shit if you dont even have a vid up of something man .
and post some vids up of your shit before you attemp to talk down to someone . makes you look more like a jackass since you dont even know anything about the 420a engine or ECC engine , atleast that you have proved thus far . and since you are missing a fucking chromosome let me teach you something . lotus makes 4 cylinder engines . have you ever heard of a 4 cylinder lamborghini engine ? you have the nerve to talk shit about my engine bro ...
the engines were all made at the same factory in saltillo mexico . thats why the bellhousings of the trannys are identical and the blocks and bottom ends are pretty much identical . the top end is where each engine differs . tell my why a car manufacturer would make different engines variations and code them the same ... they wouldnt . look at hondas b series engine . almost all parts between b16 and b20s are interchangeable . doesnt make them the same engine code ....
the 420a is the same thing as the neon engine. that's all I'm saying, if you wanna beleive otherwise that's on you. and my neon has the sport transaxle, it's got shorter gears than even a neon R/T or even an SRT4's gears. it has 3.94 final drive and an overdrive of .81 as for other neons I don't exactly know cause I haven't dealt with them, I've dealt with eclipse's though and I know that it's the same engine as the DOHC that's in my car
ok dude . your just so damn stubborn . call a fucking chrysler dealership and as for the parts department . then ask what the engine code is for a 95-99 dodge neon dohc engine ... cuz you need a reality check ... your theory is seriously fucking ignorant . hmmmm im gunna take and use different parts on different engines and call them the same engine . . . thats the most ignorant bullshit ive ever heard . your neon has the exhaust manifold by the firewall . it is not a 420a engine . its an ECC
the head is mounted the same . its called reverse flow . your cam angle sensor is on the intake cam . mine is in the same spot but on the exhaust cam . and your intake manifold is plastic . the reason your engine falls on its face is due to your cams making peak lift and duration around 6250 rpm . if i was you , i would get alot of head work done and leave the bottom end alone til you wanted boost .
actually, I don't have a plastic manifold. I have a Dual Over Head Camshaft engine, or DOHC duh the SOHC came with the plastic manifold. I have the aluminum one
haha, and you're calling me the ignorant one. the DOHC only came with an aluminum manifold, the SOHC was the plastic one. not sure why but that's the way it is. I'm planning on having my head and manifold port and polished when I rebuild the engine for the turbo kit
haha, okay. buy a neon, look under the hood. take it apart, and you'll see internals are the same, the head was arguably better, and the transaxles were just facing different directions from an eclipse
uhhh no . internals are the same yeah . then engine is not the same code . there are three engines that the neon came with from the factory . all were similar to the 420a but were not the same . there were two sohc engines and one dohc engine . the dohc engine in the neon 95-99 is the ECC engine . the other two are A588 , and ECH . the heads do not flow better than a 420a head either . ie flowbench test . and the tranny is on the opposite side of a 4g63 eclipse , not a 420a eclipse .
an A588 was an SRT4 engine. I'm talking about a 1g neon, and the engines were the same, an eclipse rs has the exact same engine just the head was mounted the other way. the transaxles were the same way too. the gs engine yes, was different and it was mounted where the front of the engine is on the driver's side. but an rs eclilpse had the 420a and it was the same as a neons
srt 4 neon engine is the A855 not A588 buddy . and im talking about the 1g neons also . the trannys are not the same gear ratios from neon to eclipse either . the eclipse has longer ratios . rs and gs eclipse have the 420a . BOTH engines had the front on the passenger side . that is where the timing belt is . im telling you dude . neons dont have 420a coded engines . the only thing similar about the 420a engine and the neon engines are the bottom ends .
I said I was done arguing right? I know what the gs had and I know what the rs, gst, gsx, all had. Do you know the difference between the GST and the GSX 4g63's???
the gst's were fwd, the gsx's were awd. the engines were identical, just had different drivetrains (transmissions) but since your done arguing...i better not start anything else :P
That wasn't the only thing, but since we're on a better nicer tone now, I'll continue. Many people believe that the GSX engine was superior even though they seemed identical. Yes, the drivetrains were different but many people believe that the GSX engine was slightly more powerful and was better for modding.
I hate to break it to ya, but the non turbo 2g 2.0 is and it fact says it is in the info, a dodge neon motor. the 4g63 is the mitsu. motor as well as the4g64. even if it looks different. it's the same thing. they just changed how it looks a little bit to fool people like you. I repeat, a 420a is a modified dodge neon motor. It was also partially designed by Lamborghini.
@jtmagicman25 ... you fail at life . first cuz your a moron , everyone knows the 420a is a CRYSLER ENGINE . its stamped on the fucking block noob . you suck cock for trying to prove me wrong by quoting some jackass off wikipedia . whens the last time you have ever heard of a 4 cylinder lamborghini ? to make things clear for you the cylinder head and intake manifold were designed by lotus . only the cars built by mitsu recieved the 420a . also the cams from the neon ECC to the 420a are different
*Chrysler makes dodge, dude. and in this case also mitsubishi. but back a while ago Chrysler bought lambo and their design teams worked on the head design I believe. I read this from a mitsubishi site. Just like an evo engine is the same as my 4g63, so is the 420a and the ECC. It sounds to me like you are pissed that your avenger is powered be a weak ass neon motor. wait who makes avengers, dodge. why does it have a chrysler motor. haha shut you piss ant. you don't know shit. DSM FTW
get it right douche bag . mitsubishi made the avengers and eclipse at the same place . the dsm plant . chrysler bought lamborghini ? hahaha are you fucking smoking crack . hey DSMZERO you hear that , we have " weak ass neon motors " haha . your the dumbest motherfucker on earth that i have ever came across . congrats you failure . and btw . just like all eclipse from 95 - 96 1/2 came with a dsm badge on the firewall so did the avengers .
DSM is Chrysler, you dumbfuck, Mitsubishi is in Japan. You are an ADHD ritalin kid who thinks he's always right. You need a clinical psychologist to evaluate your mental situation. but anyway, these cars are in fact American made, DSM is MM of america. They did own a share of lambo, and they are designed in america. why do you have a dodge emblem on your car, Mr Wizard? I have a real mitsu engine and I have a 420a and mitsu blow it away in every known field, deal with it and stop cryin
dsm is chrysler and mitsubishi ass wad . my car has nothing but mitsubishi stickers from the factory under the hood . diamond is the mitsubishi logo star is the chrysler logo . they fucked and had dsm . wow you have established that mitsubishi is a japaneses originated company ... holy shit . btw my mental situation is stuck in SMEAR THE QUEER MODE . ( your the queer that needs smearing ) and im allergic to BULLSHIT and FALLACIES .
excellent english skills, you are like the 420a, it shows potential but yet fails every time. wanker huh, are you from europe? and you are supposed to be ahead of america in so many ways. you disappoint me. read a book, learn some new words come back when you can properly throw out a dis with more than a 3rd grade vocab. have a nice day sir.
so shut the fuck up at least i have learned enought to comunicate with other people and what's your skills let me guess being an fucking negative to everything yes ? yes i am ahead of america i have my own language plus i know (ENGLISH LAGUAGE) NOT AMERICAN LAGUAGE .
Me being negative, ok, when your are the one talkin trash. alright, did you make your undefined point yet or are you just having your period. If english isn't your language, then maybe you shouldn't start conversations you can't finish like a man. stick to cursing and blurting out un-understandable nonsense. I can communicate just fine, thanks. I have both cars and my info is fact based, not make-believe.
yea but i have two cars aswell and i can tell you one thing i own 4g63 non turbo and 420a turbo if you are so smart tell me what's the diference betwen 4g63nt and 420a turbo probobly this is hard question for you
one is a chrysler built based on the dodge neon motor. and the other is the same 4g63 that has been in many cars. one is left handed one is right handed. 4g63 has silent shafts while the 420a did not use them. 4g63t utilizes piston oilers to compensate for the heat caused by compressing the intake charge.the 420a's main's are actually a main girdle and the 4g63 use's main cap's and the 7 bolt's are all connected like another kind of girdle. 1 gen's use 7.8-1 while mine is 8.5-1 ratio......
no I don't get your point at all actually, but I look forward to more discussion. I have rebuilt both motors and I could tell what I like and don't like about both. mitsu motor is way tougher in stock form and is easier to build. one day I will post more vids, when it warms up and I fix my last flat tire.
if youre reading about the mopar 420a engine...then why are you on a mitsu site?? ok just wondering. also secondly lotus designed the head, but could no longer use it after like 95 because it wouldnt pass emissions standards there due to the fact it didnt have vvt. so they sold it to dodge
I put my dancing shoes on when i hit the track...13x8 bogarts with 24.5x9x13 MT slicks..my 60 foots have all been in the 1.7's looking to improve on that this next season
1.7's aren't bad at all for a FWD. You obviously wouldn't use those tires at a track after seeing a setup like that. Congrats on that level of hp. Something I too will someday achieve. Very soon.
Thats my boy Bass Man, I sat in Iraq with him and watched him hand pick the parts for this car, I'm glad to see it finally come together, and to get a world record out if it is amazing. Good for you!
look at the size of the turbo on it if they cant achieve these numbers its a smaller turbo.. look this is awesome, but loook at all the work into it.. im saying that the 420 takes a lot more work just to get everything it needs to be turbo in there compared to the 63 cars.. i know what its like to start from scratch as i have 96 galant with the 64/63 the hardest thing was getting it all in there at first with the 14b.. this is awesome but most ppl turbo a stock 420 and cant get # like this
i know i have 2 2g's a gst and a gs and odly enuf i like the gs better and my almost completly stock 95 gs with 337xxx on the original motor will hang with 8 lbs of gst al day long im tired of spending money on that 4g63 in 5 years went threw 1 7 bolt (crankwalk) and 2 6 bolts im not impressed when i get back from iraq im gonna make some mexican rice ans see what happens?? and zero fuckin awsome man what are u using for fuel managment?
Ok everyone the time is here im going to the track tommorrow!!! everything is preped and ready....I can not wait..ill keep everyone posted on how it turns out
if the car and me are both driving right we might turn up the boost too im getting ready for the import shoot out on the 20th of this month
the only reason why there are so many haters of the 420A is how much work has to be done to it to get near what the 63 and the 64/63 setups can do.. like this is/was the record not sure but its 661 and the other setups have been over that mark 4 years and many are in the thousands.. and its FWD so the power goes to waste even with slicks its hopeless and you cant make it awd like the fwd spyders and galants cuz its not a 4g motor..
anyway, i like this car good work. what did it run?
mowst of peple buying 4g63 with 300 350 hp arledy from other owner who probobly bought the car with the same power and they did't put a shit in to they cars they just bought the cars and they think that they did something but 420a like zero has this is probobly the mowst imazing dms i ever vseen
With an adapter plate and evo trannie and gsx rear subframe this car can be AWD with the 420a..
and FWD is not a waste of tim hondas have been proving that for years the record for a Sport FWD right now is 8.863@176 mph...You dont need AWD to be fast
neon's have can go faster because they weigh less and i believe one Neon 420a made more power than me but every time i ask the neon crowd to prove they can not...so as far as i know i might be the most powerful 420a ever.....DCR might have made more power back in the day though
what is all done to it
PeetahWeetahPB 1 week ago
What headlights are those??? :O
jsanchez430 1 month ago
That engine doesn't look like a 420a the valve cover is different why?
jokerfbnk1 1 month ago
cool build, but i fail to see the point in spending that much time and money on the neon varriant engine, instead of a 4G63
enigmaPL 1 month ago
man that red coupling is not going to last long lol!
Blazen8gsx 2 months ago
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Blazen8gsx 2 months ago
can you list all your mod?
Bondakuso 2 months ago
props, now 1/2, 420a's that i like. like that means anything.
MrPsyban 3 months ago
I bet alot of u ppl laughed when the guy sneezes in the begining.
blooded511 7 months ago
yo what you put to get all those hp bro? im new to this man
need help..
Bondakuso 7 months ago
Holy fucking hand grenade Bat-Man! That's a insanely beautifully built 420a right there my friends. Good job on the build man, props* all the way. DSM ftw.
pickmelter38 7 months ago
Wonderful Job!!! love how your making those radial tires wrinkle wall's lol.
shockracer 8 months ago
that manifold is siiiiikkkkk
4g63jojo 9 months ago
That turbo setup is so stupid everything is bending twisting and rubbing. Look at that the hose coupler between the turbo and intercooler it was about to shear it in half!
Blazen8gsx 9 months ago
WOOOH!! dsmtuners for life....420a!!!
7NaYRu7 11 months ago
is this seriously a 420a? if it is thank the lord! :)
OriginalKrauser 1 year ago
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greenpat93 1 year ago
i thought the turbo was gonna suck someone in
jordtizzle 1 year ago
hey man just wondering how much you spent all together on everything you did to your car. i wanna get there at some point just wondering an estimate of how much.
jaime4491 1 year ago
@jaime4491 More than you can ever imagine. This is one of those things where he's doing it for the sake of doing it. A 4g63 build of the same power is vastly more cost effective.
Clesarie 7 months ago
im not really big into mitsubishis but ive heard lots of people rag on the 420 but this one sounds amazing
dk11789 1 year ago
Its cool- but dude you have got to do something about the mounts. Seeing your stuff shaking EVERYWHERE is not good.
AYEcorolla 1 year ago
@AYEcorolla
yes we redid the front mount and nothing moves any more
DSMZERO 1 year ago
Bad azz you have given me inspiration fucc all of the people hatin on the underdog
DrkAngel187 1 year ago
wow, and how long endure the structure of the car? is very soft because of the tremendous force of the 420a ♥
killswizard 1 year ago
love the set up man this is a well done 420a theres alot of hater that cant recognize i nice job u know u did good and its all about that im thinking going turbo on my dsm u r a good example to follow great job
unityelt 1 year ago
forums.neons.org//viewtopic.php?p=3039545#p3039545
Even though it isn't a real 420a, it is a twin sister. 734 bhp.
Now I know you are going to say, he sprayed, but this "record" didn't state just turbo power.
number40Fan 1 year ago
@number40Fan I just made 737hp no spray ill post soon
DSMZERO 1 year ago
@DSMZERO Post a dyno pull of that 737hp!
doctoroctagonaBLARGH 5 months ago
hey i like the setup. i was wondering were would be a good place to connect the oil pick up line for the turbo from the block?
moneymaka775 1 year ago
at 2.22, am i watching your turbo to intercooler coupler expand? That's fucking balls.
Every once in a while, i check out the 420a-t's on the web. My project car roots. :)
terribleoneprimopro 1 year ago
look! i found a crap ton of money! Lol. definitely nice to see someone working hard on the 420a. If someones gonna do it let it be these guys! That head doesnt even look like a 420a head after all of that rework though. Awesome job DSMZERO major props. Makes me want to finish boring that extra block for some 8.8:1 .020" over pistons. definitely nothing close to this build. Keep it up 2GNTers
sfhawkeye 1 year ago
Its ninjai_ruken from DSMtunerz...way to represent the 420A
ninjairuken 1 year ago
at 2:08 it drops then goes again im not good with 420a's but it seems all of them o it what iis that no 4g63 has ever done that to me
HorsePowerTwins 1 year ago
damn man thats way sweet and congrats on being the featured driver this month on dsmtuners
lowrie28 1 year ago
holy fuck
98RegalL67GS 1 year ago
what kind of machanical monster is that?!! turbo straight up on the intercooler! and i usto have them same head lights!!!
510custom1 1 year ago
Compressor surge??? Or is that actually a BOV, cause I don't think I've ever heard one like that. Mine is similar but not quite like that
DGAFDAWSON 1 year ago
@DGAFDAWSON its a Tial 50mm BOV
DSMZERO 1 year ago
wow a neon motor on steriods... well at least we know it wont last long
turbocharged258 1 year ago
@turbocharged258 Every run has been at 30psi and she runs fine
DSMZERO 1 year ago
@turbocharged258 unless he had the motor rebuild to sustain the extra air pressure....'cause by the steriods :P
phantomplanet 1 year ago
@turbocharged258 Yeah I think it's a cool concept, but the 4g63 is the only way to go if you are gonna go DSM!
j5jeffw 1 year ago
@turbocharged258 NOT a neon motor. Neon runs an A588, this is running a 420A. Different motor
thomcasey2005 1 year ago
OMFG!!! Thats ballz to the wall ass to the crack DOPE!!! FUCK YA!! Give new hope to all 420A drivers out there ESPECIALLY ME!! I have a 99 GS 10th ann edition BLACK 5speed DOHC 2.0L 16v too!!! And After watching this i'm gonna rebuild my motor too!!! OH MY FUCK IM SOOOO EXCITED!!! I mean i know this aint no 4G63 but I don't give a shit, IM GONNA PROJECT MY 420A!!)::)):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)):) POST MORE VIDS OF YOUR RIDE DOIN SOME STREET SPANKIN!! **Faints from excitement**
odgixxer 1 year ago 9
@odgixxer
Ya man thanks the car is a beast to drive. If you have any questions dont be affraid to ask me any thing .....And Stacys car is a CRX with around 800hp i think she goes low 11's maybe 10's i think i have her saved to my favs
DSMZERO 1 year ago
@DSMZERO hahahhaahah 800 hp and 11's.... ahahhahahaha thats so funny. my vette has alot more weight to it and runs 8's with slightly more that that.haha, imports
dewartt69 1 year ago
@dewartt69 You got a video of your 8 second vette?
mathyu0179 1 year ago
@mathyu0179 Thats what I'm saying,If hes gonna call out a built 420a cause he has a small weiner and drives a vette soemone else built lets see it hot shot.
bloodieduckies 1 year ago
@bloodieduckies Dude there are lots of retards with corvettes. C5s are getting cheap as hell.
mathyu0179 1 year ago
@dewartt69 Yet you have no link to prove this cause your daddy owns it,People like you are dipshits why pick on somone building an underdog?Especially since corvette owners need hp from the factory cause they lack real tuning knowledge and if you do own the car I'm sure you didnt build it,Your worse then a ricer if thats the case.
bloodieduckies 1 year ago
@bloodieduckies try to out run a ZR1 vette bone stock on a road course??? u cant so stick to dumping thousands of dollars into a ricer to try to make the same power as they do stock
dewartt69 1 year ago
@dewartt69 well yea zr-1 is a monster of a car I'm sure I would pwn everything I own but what I'm saying is why talk crap about this guys 420a?Its an underdog engine and deserves props for what he has done to it,Yes a zr1 will pwn most anything but this guys eclipse he built hiself and deserves some gratitude for his accomplishment not comments like "My corvette has more hp by xxx blah blah blah,Anyone with money can buy a corvette but it takes skill to build a car from scratch.
bloodieduckies 1 year ago
@dewartt69 ur a fag go drive ur moms fuck rustang
123girlskateboards 1 year ago
@dewartt69 ZR1? it costs like $100,000 compared to a couple grands, you make a couple thousand dollars sound super expensive....
MDC33147 1 year ago
@dewartt69 You're a 12 year old fagot fan boy. You don't deserve to talk. You obviously don't understand anything about life.
mikeytfot1 1 year ago
@odgixxer Wait till you see my new bigger turbo :)
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greenpat93 1 year ago
@odgixxer good luck trying to fix up one of those shit hole motors. why dont you just get yourself a 4g63
trillsouthernpimp 6 months ago
so why did the cams stop spinning? he blew his little 420a motor didnt he..
sgx1098 1 year ago
@sgx1098
Motor is still going strong noooooo problems so far except a melted clutch
DSMZERO 1 year ago
@sgx1098 I bet your just a poser,I dont see why your hating on an underdog engine?$100 bucks says you drive a pos
bloodieduckies 1 year ago
Now that is an interesting spot for a turbo.
Nice RS... gives me hope for my GS
TheUnNerved 1 year ago
DSM: Making mechanics out of ordinary people since 1989
1SicMind 1 year ago
That chick's all over that shit hahah, Nice 420a man.
xijdmmanix 1 year ago
@xijdmmanix
That is Stacy trust me her car is alot more powerfull and way faster than mine
DSMZERO 1 year ago
That's pretty damn sweet, I'm buying a turbocharged 420a RS and hopefully I can get it like yours, What all modifications do you have?
xijdmmanix 1 year ago
@xijdmmanix
I have everyting done! do a google search you will find my build thread on DSMTUNERS
DSMZERO 1 year ago
@DSMZERO man she must have an actual rocket with wheels if it faster than this car is now!!!!! holy fuck!!
odgixxer 1 year ago
is it me or it looked like the engine was about to rip its self out the bay
i wonder how many engine mounts you went through getting off the line
supraka 1 year ago
yes the motor dose tourque alot...but i have not gone through no motor mounts.
The fornt mount was not there for the dyno pull...it was not finished being fabricated.
Now i have a solid mount in the front all my races were with the solid mount too
DSMZERO 1 year ago
I have a 95 talon with a blown motor and am trying to decide what to do. The car is an A/t with the 420A engine. I found a 93 talon thats a standard I can get, problem is, the car hasn't moved in almost 5 years so the owner says, a mechanic has it, the original owner never picked it up after being fixed, a plus is the 93 has a 4g63 engine in it and its a stick shift. My situation is, should I put money into replacing my 95 esi's engine or should I get the 93 and hope for the best??
martian010 2 years ago
If you love your 420a just get another motor for it. you can go to any local junk yard and find one. Im pretty sure you and some buddies can do put the new engine in over a weekend.
BUT if you feel like you want a different car then get the 93 the problem is you dont know what kind of mechanical problems that car is gonna have ....it might be more than you think, then that would put you right back into the same situation your in.
Fix your 420a the 4g63 is not the world trust me.
DSMZERO 2 years ago
damn dude i guess on my psi im gonna do to my 420 and was gonna shoot for 500 at the wheels and i said 20psi lol and not far off so i would guess about 22psi would hit 500+ btw what internals you use im looking at je 8.8:1 pistons and eagle rods but this is just for 10psi to start im gettin the 8psi kit from hahn to bolt on for 8psi for a while and my engine is already built a lil bit but not much so if you dont mind just send me what internals are best. im gettin a stage 3 head also.
DSMeclipsegst 2 years ago
Im using Je pistons and Eagle rods. Arp head studs and main bolts. Oringed block and copper head gasket
DSMZERO 2 years ago
i got all that shit on mine minus the o ringed block and copper gasket. im running an mls. good build man
TheRaptor2323 2 years ago
the O ringed block and copper head gasket make all the difference in the world
DSMZERO 2 years ago
i love you
TheRaptor2323 2 years ago
I love you too lol
DSMZERO 2 years ago
I wish people would quit calling them headers, it is a single header, a v6 or v8 has headers.
benspilk900 2 years ago
@ 2:33... Are those very long headers??? lol
bmxstreet6 2 years ago
Fucking love it makes me wanna keep mine 420a turbo gotta trow up more clips of it asap !!!
PurPleStuff0420 2 years ago
wow thats sick i like how the turbo goes right into the intercooler with no ducting
i just got a 97 eclipse gs the other day i might turbo it =-s depending
xiteamxi 2 years ago
dude...that eclipse just came..haha
guitarjoe209 2 years ago
LOL ya Hard
DSMZERO 2 years ago
how built is that engine??
TheRaptor2323 2 years ago
hey how much hp can you get out of a 420a non turbo??
im rebuilding my 420a cuz the internals have all gone to shit from crappy ass previous owners?? what can i do to it to make it faster than stock hp
KeNWooD091 2 years ago
Turbo kit is the bert thing you can do for your 420a bro
DSMZERO 2 years ago
jtmagicman25
mitsu200 2 years ago
if you knew what you were talking about you wouldnt have people proving you wrong ... and for your info . people that have ADHA and take ritalin for it are usually lazy and tired , like a zombie . you should study some psychology and pharmaceutics while your racking your brain trying to prove me wrong .
Red97Avenger 2 years ago
4g63 7 bolt crankshafts had a huge recall back in the day . the crankshafts were garbage . leading to crankwalk since you have a half weighted crank . the only thing that makes those engines worth a fuck is the block strength . i think your a joke . talkin bout you want a 600whp car and your already trying to get cheaper parts and shit lol . dsmzero had over 50k invested in his car . 10k a year i believe it was . you must not have shit if you dont even have a vid up of something man .
Red97Avenger 2 years ago
and post some vids up of your shit before you attemp to talk down to someone . makes you look more like a jackass since you dont even know anything about the 420a engine or ECC engine , atleast that you have proved thus far . and since you are missing a fucking chromosome let me teach you something . lotus makes 4 cylinder engines . have you ever heard of a 4 cylinder lamborghini engine ? you have the nerve to talk shit about my engine bro ...
Red97Avenger 2 years ago
haha this monster of a 420a is trying to get away from the body. either that or someone is doing some shitty shifting. wtf! lmao
ghettocuz22 2 years ago
I want to put a turbo on my rs eclipse now. haha
bmxstreet6 2 years ago
you should
DSMZERO 2 years ago
the engines were all made at the same factory in saltillo mexico . thats why the bellhousings of the trannys are identical and the blocks and bottom ends are pretty much identical . the top end is where each engine differs . tell my why a car manufacturer would make different engines variations and code them the same ... they wouldnt . look at hondas b series engine . almost all parts between b16 and b20s are interchangeable . doesnt make them the same engine code ....
Red97Avenger 2 years ago
the 420a is the same thing as the neon engine. that's all I'm saying, if you wanna beleive otherwise that's on you. and my neon has the sport transaxle, it's got shorter gears than even a neon R/T or even an SRT4's gears. it has 3.94 final drive and an overdrive of .81 as for other neons I don't exactly know cause I haven't dealt with them, I've dealt with eclipse's though and I know that it's the same engine as the DOHC that's in my car
candle2k 2 years ago
ok dude . your just so damn stubborn . call a fucking chrysler dealership and as for the parts department . then ask what the engine code is for a 95-99 dodge neon dohc engine ... cuz you need a reality check ... your theory is seriously fucking ignorant . hmmmm im gunna take and use different parts on different engines and call them the same engine . . . thats the most ignorant bullshit ive ever heard . your neon has the exhaust manifold by the firewall . it is not a 420a engine . its an ECC
Red97Avenger 2 years ago
I just said the head's are mounted differently, you even said the bottom ends are the same. I'm done arguing
candle2k 2 years ago
the head is mounted the same . its called reverse flow . your cam angle sensor is on the intake cam . mine is in the same spot but on the exhaust cam . and your intake manifold is plastic . the reason your engine falls on its face is due to your cams making peak lift and duration around 6250 rpm . if i was you , i would get alot of head work done and leave the bottom end alone til you wanted boost .
Red97Avenger 2 years ago
actually, I don't have a plastic manifold. I have a Dual Over Head Camshaft engine, or DOHC duh the SOHC came with the plastic manifold. I have the aluminum one
candle2k 2 years ago
most dohc and sohc had plastic intake manifold
Red97Avenger 2 years ago
haha, and you're calling me the ignorant one. the DOHC only came with an aluminum manifold, the SOHC was the plastic one. not sure why but that's the way it is. I'm planning on having my head and manifold port and polished when I rebuild the engine for the turbo kit
candle2k 2 years ago
wut is ur set up cuz i have a 420a jus on boost n bout to drop new block n head work with new fuellys
PurPleStuff0420 2 years ago
JE pistons, Eagle rods, O-ringed block, polished and tear dropped journals, SuperTech valve train, Custom Crower cams, Unorthodox Cam gears
DSMZERO 2 years ago
I read that eagle rods were for 600 and under applications. If I rebuild my GSX, Im going for wiseco pistons and manley rods.
jtmagicman25 2 years ago
i have seen eagles hold 787hp to the wheels and last a whole season
DSMZERO 2 years ago
h-beam?? that's cool, cause I think they're cheaper.
jtmagicman25 2 years ago
my eagles are rated at 900 for the 420a, but someone proved that fact wrong. snapped a rod at about 780 or something i think
TheRaptor2323 2 years ago
the one thing i don't like about the stock 420a in the neon's is that it falls flat on it's face for power after peak.
candle2k 2 years ago
@candle2k .. neons never came with a 420a engine from the factory ...
Red97Avenger 2 years ago
haha, okay. buy a neon, look under the hood. take it apart, and you'll see internals are the same, the head was arguably better, and the transaxles were just facing different directions from an eclipse
candle2k 2 years ago
uhhh no . internals are the same yeah . then engine is not the same code . there are three engines that the neon came with from the factory . all were similar to the 420a but were not the same . there were two sohc engines and one dohc engine . the dohc engine in the neon 95-99 is the ECC engine . the other two are A588 , and ECH . the heads do not flow better than a 420a head either . ie flowbench test . and the tranny is on the opposite side of a 4g63 eclipse , not a 420a eclipse .
Red97Avenger 2 years ago
an A588 was an SRT4 engine. I'm talking about a 1g neon, and the engines were the same, an eclipse rs has the exact same engine just the head was mounted the other way. the transaxles were the same way too. the gs engine yes, was different and it was mounted where the front of the engine is on the driver's side. but an rs eclilpse had the 420a and it was the same as a neons
candle2k 2 years ago
srt 4 neon engine is the A855 not A588 buddy . and im talking about the 1g neons also . the trannys are not the same gear ratios from neon to eclipse either . the eclipse has longer ratios . rs and gs eclipse have the 420a . BOTH engines had the front on the passenger side . that is where the timing belt is . im telling you dude . neons dont have 420a coded engines . the only thing similar about the 420a engine and the neon engines are the bottom ends .
Red97Avenger 2 years ago
lmao an rs and a gs have the exact same engine bud. the gst and the gsx were the turbo 4g63s
TheRaptor2323 2 years ago
I said I was done arguing right? I know what the gs had and I know what the rs, gst, gsx, all had. Do you know the difference between the GST and the GSX 4g63's???
candle2k 2 years ago
the gst's were fwd, the gsx's were awd. the engines were identical, just had different drivetrains (transmissions) but since your done arguing...i better not start anything else :P
TheRaptor2323 2 years ago
That wasn't the only thing, but since we're on a better nicer tone now, I'll continue. Many people believe that the GSX engine was superior even though they seemed identical. Yes, the drivetrains were different but many people believe that the GSX engine was slightly more powerful and was better for modding.
candle2k 2 years ago
I hate to break it to ya, but the non turbo 2g 2.0 is and it fact says it is in the info, a dodge neon motor. the 4g63 is the mitsu. motor as well as the4g64. even if it looks different. it's the same thing. they just changed how it looks a little bit to fool people like you. I repeat, a 420a is a modified dodge neon motor. It was also partially designed by Lamborghini.
jtmagicman25 2 years ago
@jtmagicman25 ... you fail at life . first cuz your a moron , everyone knows the 420a is a CRYSLER ENGINE . its stamped on the fucking block noob . you suck cock for trying to prove me wrong by quoting some jackass off wikipedia . whens the last time you have ever heard of a 4 cylinder lamborghini ? to make things clear for you the cylinder head and intake manifold were designed by lotus . only the cars built by mitsu recieved the 420a . also the cams from the neon ECC to the 420a are different
Red97Avenger 2 years ago
*Chrysler makes dodge, dude. and in this case also mitsubishi. but back a while ago Chrysler bought lambo and their design teams worked on the head design I believe. I read this from a mitsubishi site. Just like an evo engine is the same as my 4g63, so is the 420a and the ECC. It sounds to me like you are pissed that your avenger is powered be a weak ass neon motor. wait who makes avengers, dodge. why does it have a chrysler motor. haha shut you piss ant. you don't know shit. DSM FTW
jtmagicman25 2 years ago
get it right douche bag . mitsubishi made the avengers and eclipse at the same place . the dsm plant . chrysler bought lamborghini ? hahaha are you fucking smoking crack . hey DSMZERO you hear that , we have " weak ass neon motors " haha . your the dumbest motherfucker on earth that i have ever came across . congrats you failure . and btw . just like all eclipse from 95 - 96 1/2 came with a dsm badge on the firewall so did the avengers .
Red97Avenger 2 years ago
DSM is Chrysler, you dumbfuck, Mitsubishi is in Japan. You are an ADHD ritalin kid who thinks he's always right. You need a clinical psychologist to evaluate your mental situation. but anyway, these cars are in fact American made, DSM is MM of america. They did own a share of lambo, and they are designed in america. why do you have a dodge emblem on your car, Mr Wizard? I have a real mitsu engine and I have a 420a and mitsu blow it away in every known field, deal with it and stop cryin
jtmagicman25 2 years ago
dsm is chrysler and mitsubishi ass wad . my car has nothing but mitsubishi stickers from the factory under the hood . diamond is the mitsubishi logo star is the chrysler logo . they fucked and had dsm . wow you have established that mitsubishi is a japaneses originated company ... holy shit . btw my mental situation is stuck in SMEAR THE QUEER MODE . ( your the queer that needs smearing ) and im allergic to BULLSHIT and FALLACIES .
Red97Avenger 2 years ago
you are some stupid cunt man take that turbo of your 4g63 and will se how fast you will be going hahaha you fucking wanker
mitsu200 2 years ago
excellent english skills, you are like the 420a, it shows potential but yet fails every time. wanker huh, are you from europe? and you are supposed to be ahead of america in so many ways. you disappoint me. read a book, learn some new words come back when you can properly throw out a dis with more than a 3rd grade vocab. have a nice day sir.
jtmagicman25 2 years ago
english is not my laguage asshole
so shut the fuck up at least i have learned enought to comunicate with other people and what's your skills let me guess being an fucking negative to everything yes ? yes i am ahead of america i have my own language plus i know (ENGLISH LAGUAGE) NOT AMERICAN LAGUAGE .
mitsu200 2 years ago
Me being negative, ok, when your are the one talkin trash. alright, did you make your undefined point yet or are you just having your period. If english isn't your language, then maybe you shouldn't start conversations you can't finish like a man. stick to cursing and blurting out un-understandable nonsense. I can communicate just fine, thanks. I have both cars and my info is fact based, not make-believe.
jtmagicman25 2 years ago
yea but i have two cars aswell and i can tell you one thing i own 4g63 non turbo and 420a turbo if you are so smart tell me what's the diference betwen 4g63nt and 420a turbo probobly this is hard question for you
mitsu200 2 years ago
one is a chrysler built based on the dodge neon motor. and the other is the same 4g63 that has been in many cars. one is left handed one is right handed. 4g63 has silent shafts while the 420a did not use them. 4g63t utilizes piston oilers to compensate for the heat caused by compressing the intake charge.the 420a's main's are actually a main girdle and the 4g63 use's main cap's and the 7 bolt's are all connected like another kind of girdle. 1 gen's use 7.8-1 while mine is 8.5-1 ratio......
jtmagicman25 2 years ago
you get my point now
mitsu200 2 years ago
no I don't get your point at all actually, but I look forward to more discussion. I have rebuilt both motors and I could tell what I like and don't like about both. mitsu motor is way tougher in stock form and is easier to build. one day I will post more vids, when it warms up and I fix my last flat tire.
jtmagicman25 2 years ago
my advice to you is go fuck yourself or tell someone else to fuck you looks like you need that alot
mitsu200 2 years ago
i love you
TheRaptor2323 2 years ago
my 98 even has a dsm badge
TheRaptor2323 2 years ago
if youre reading about the mopar 420a engine...then why are you on a mitsu site?? ok just wondering. also secondly lotus designed the head, but could no longer use it after like 95 because it wouldnt pass emissions standards there due to the fact it didnt have vvt. so they sold it to dodge
TheRaptor2323 2 years ago
Now thats a 420a I can drive.... Try gettin traction on those tires! lol
shawnmgarcia 2 years ago
I put my dancing shoes on when i hit the track...13x8 bogarts with 24.5x9x13 MT slicks..my 60 foots have all been in the 1.7's looking to improve on that this next season
DSMZERO 2 years ago
1.7's aren't bad at all for a FWD. You obviously wouldn't use those tires at a track after seeing a setup like that. Congrats on that level of hp. Something I too will someday achieve. Very soon.
shawnmgarcia 2 years ago
couldn't you put an evo trans behind the motor with a GSX rear end, or is that too much work??
jtmagicman25 2 years ago
nice pull but almoste didnt watch cause it took 2 min to start.
benjerman112 2 years ago
yea lol it did take a while they were getting the motor warmed up a lil so we dont blow a head gasket
DSMZERO 2 years ago
Hey dsm zero, building a drag 420a motor my self, got one question, were did you get that valve cover??? looks better than the stock P.O.S
turbotalon0026 2 years ago
Its a custom valve cover...Made by PFI in Ft Collins Colorado....Any more question dont hesitate to ask
DSMZERO 2 years ago
when dose it start to hit boost?
natedsmeclipse 2 years ago
it starts to build boost at 3400 rpm
DSMZERO 2 years ago
thaats some BAAAD compressor surge
Familyguyfreek7 2 years ago
yes it is the spring was tight on the waste gate for my 30 psi run
DSMZERO 2 years ago
You still have the f5mc1 trans in it? Did you throw an lsd in it?
Carnifreekshow 2 years ago
its a Dodge NVT350 5 speed trans with a Quafie LSD
DSMZERO 2 years ago
Thats my boy Bass Man, I sat in Iraq with him and watched him hand pick the parts for this car, I'm glad to see it finally come together, and to get a world record out if it is amazing. Good for you!
N8Rush 2 years ago
WHAT UP NATE DAWG!!!!! thanks bro stay tuned for my next set of up grades lol
DSMZERO 2 years ago
Wow 2 min later i finally see it puttin some numbers down i bet it pulls like a bitch
copleygsxr 2 years ago
So how was the track run?
helloimsonik 2 years ago
look at the size of the turbo on it if they cant achieve these numbers its a smaller turbo.. look this is awesome, but loook at all the work into it.. im saying that the 420 takes a lot more work just to get everything it needs to be turbo in there compared to the 63 cars.. i know what its like to start from scratch as i have 96 galant with the 64/63 the hardest thing was getting it all in there at first with the 14b.. this is awesome but most ppl turbo a stock 420 and cant get # like this
mustangjunkie10 2 years ago
i know i have 2 2g's a gst and a gs and odly enuf i like the gs better and my almost completly stock 95 gs with 337xxx on the original motor will hang with 8 lbs of gst al day long im tired of spending money on that 4g63 in 5 years went threw 1 7 bolt (crankwalk) and 2 6 bolts im not impressed when i get back from iraq im gonna make some mexican rice ans see what happens?? and zero fuckin awsome man what are u using for fuel managment?
gstboost30 2 years ago
Good luck while in iraq PM me and ill give you my personal email and you can hit me up while your over there..
Im using an Electromotive Tec3r
DSMZERO 2 years ago
Ok everyone the time is here im going to the track tommorrow!!! everything is preped and ready....I can not wait..ill keep everyone posted on how it turns out
if the car and me are both driving right we might turn up the boost too im getting ready for the import shoot out on the 20th of this month
DSMZERO 2 years ago
the only reason why there are so many haters of the 420A is how much work has to be done to it to get near what the 63 and the 64/63 setups can do.. like this is/was the record not sure but its 661 and the other setups have been over that mark 4 years and many are in the thousands.. and its FWD so the power goes to waste even with slicks its hopeless and you cant make it awd like the fwd spyders and galants cuz its not a 4g motor..
anyway, i like this car good work. what did it run?
mustangjunkie10 2 years ago
mowst of peple buying 4g63 with 300 350 hp arledy from other owner who probobly bought the car with the same power and they did't put a shit in to they cars they just bought the cars and they think that they did something but 420a like zero has this is probobly the mowst imazing dms i ever vseen
mitsudawid 2 years ago
With an adapter plate and evo trannie and gsx rear subframe this car can be AWD with the 420a..
and FWD is not a waste of tim hondas have been proving that for years the record for a Sport FWD right now is 8.863@176 mph...You dont need AWD to be fast
DSMZERO 2 years ago
I know this sounds kinda odd but do you think that could be done to a neon?
candle2k 2 years ago
you it sure can it the same motor
DSMZERO 2 years ago
yeah, same motor, different suspension stuff though..
candle2k 2 years ago
neon's have can go faster because they weigh less and i believe one Neon 420a made more power than me but every time i ask the neon crowd to prove they can not...so as far as i know i might be the most powerful 420a ever.....DCR might have made more power back in the day though
DSMZERO 2 years ago
Cant wait to see her on the track love...18days and counting!!
GO TEAM PFI
welderbarbie4 2 years ago
Congratulations, that time quarter mile takes
420at3 2 years ago
I think its the crappy quality of my phone video but that don't look like a 420A please someone tell me if I'm wrong
dalonesoldier 2 years ago
you are wrong, it is 420a
Moulin13vol2 2 years ago
There is a custom valve cover that makes the motor look complety different
DSMZERO 2 years ago
You should race a built 4g63, 420a is American made crap, but i guess with enough money any motor can make some power...
TuQwik4u 2 years ago