Interesting, yesterday I watched "Weaponology - Spetznaz" and they said that the Russians had been studying the Vietnam conflict and seeing the advantages of the 5.56mm over the 7.62 (e.g. heavier bullet flew directly through the person but the smaller 5.56 would spin in the body tearing the organs) so they decided to switch to the 5.45. And now the Americans want to switch to bigger bullets, because they have more punch. I'm confused.
so they took an m4, downsized it a bit and chambered it for 6.8. whats the big deal? i'm pretty sure theres smaller guns with bullets that have similar kinetic energy outputs
@beeftothetaco I might be wrong but the 6.8 is pretty similar to the .280. The .280 is actually stronger, but i don't think the guns that fire that round are as compact as this weapon.
OMG and yes and Russia is a 3rd world country if you seen the crap they operate with or have worked with there military forces you would know that russia a 3rd world country. as far as the AK being the better weapoon I tell you what you stand at 400 meters away from me and I will gve you the AK and ill take the M-4.... you wont even come close to me.. i will kill you .....
Not saying that the 7.62x39 is any better at that range, and considering you were talking about the russian military I assume I would get an ak74, and the ballistics of 5,56 v 5,45 is negligable.
But I'm only trained with a g3 and mp5, so if you're experienced with an m4 you'd probably take me down if I had an ak.
@Kinvariz123 well i know i can hit a man at 600 yards with a m16a2 service rifle so 400 is alittle low granted ill take my m1 garand or my m1a springfield
@Kinvariz123 Here in Britain our infantry have to hit targets at 400m to pass their annual markmanship tests, but that is with an L85 which has a longer barrel than an M16 but a shorter overall length than an M4 due to its bullpup features.
@Kinvariz123 For the L85A2 we say it has an effective individual range of 400m and a section range of 600m. All you need to do is supress the enemy at that range, then you can maneouver or use supporting arms. The infanteer doesnt need a sniper rifle to do his job in maneouver warfare.
@rangliansoldier Nothing new, and for all you wrote it's completely irrelevant, the discussing was an m4(14,5") v ak at 400meters. but good on you for trying though
Unless being built for a specific use or contract, the 6.8s always fail....look at the Barrett Rec 7, it came out exclusively in 6.8 and after poor sales and demand from the civillian market, they came out with a 556 version. Your weapon is only good if it has ammo to fire, the military is very wary of switching from standard calibers.
The 6.8 spc is is in limited use with SOCOM. My response was for the 5.56 is crap argument. It is not. I do not see NATO shifting the the 6.8 spc I or II anytime soon. Before that the 6.5 Grendel was the next best thing and that's not around much. If the military picked it up would I convert...yes I like my fighting carbine to use readily available parts and ammo.
Even your law enforcement agencies teach you now if dont gain the desired effect when you shoot someone in the chest shoot for the head. Pepole have forgot that the chest is not the only place to shoot. Yes its the most desirable place but you got the head and if your a lousy shot which you shouldnt be anyways on a PSD team you go for Abdominal shots very effective and a bigger area than the head. Take a m-4 and Ak shoot an ammo can and tell me which one has a bigger exit hole. AK=CHIT
Are you really that retarded. Seriously yea AK is a good weapon for a 3rd world country but M-4 is by far superior. Seriously where do you get his dribble from. Yea i may not be as qualified as you with only 20 years in the military last 10 in Special Forces and now the last 8 years doing contract work ... M-4 is made for precision and AK are made for spray and pray. As far a punching power of the M-4 its round selection as well. if that fails remember what marines say one shot one kill....
@greenbeenie60 Far superior? That's just an opinion. I won't argue which is better. While the M4 is a more accurate rifle, the AK is much more accurate then people like to give it credit for. I've fired many of them. An AK is only a spray and pray weapon if the person behind it uses it that way. Use it in semi automatic mode, and decent accuracy is not hard to obtain. Optics help too.
And technically not "hollow points" but the mk318 mod 0 ammo in an open tipped match. The hollow cavity it's as deep as hollow points but the jacket is pulled to the front from the ass of the bullet creating an open tip and will open to some extent like a hp round and the military is using it. SOST OTM barrier blind
The manufacturer is allowing him to test a weapon of course he is trying to "sell it" he's not getting paid to fly to there test facility firing the weapon for free to say "the 5.56 round is fine we don't need to complicate fielding a weapon of a new caliber. The 5.56 is a great round it's unrealistic expectations of 1 shit kills with a fighting carbine is the problem.
@elox02 I don't think the special forces who created 6.8 SPC cared about marketing, they wanted a more lethal round. While it's true there is no magical 1 shot kill caliber, the 6.8 SPC is probably a more reliable killer then the 5.56x45. The short comings of the 5.56x45 are very well documented and not something made up by gun company trying to sell their product.
wow it sounds like the 5.56 is really dog shit...I thought its hydro static shock tore peoples asses up..these guys say targets kept doing what they where doing like shooting back..
here is a funny joke for you... lets say your on the field and your using a 50 calibre sniper rifle you come across a car full of taliban, you cant shoot them you can only shoot the car due to the geniver convention (i know i spelt it wrong) due to the fact its overkill, you can only shoot the car isnt that fucking great
lets think here in afghanistan soldiers are getting shot at by some raghead fuck over 800yards away with SMLE made in the 1940's and 50's while are guys using 5.56 have trouble hitting them and the 6.8 cant be pressed pass 400yrds so the 6.8 isnt a good choice for uncle sam so next caliber
5.56 has the NATO stamp, so there wont be any big change within the U.S. military. The AK is trustworthy but ammo is too heavy to carry a lot of and like the video it's not accurate; one of the reasons it's reliable. The 6.8 is the middle ground and just goes straight forever. The LWRC uses a gas piston, but I don't know if it's as heavy duty as the AK, or Sig 556.
AK is just the best gun, it does the trick and beats all this fancy shit since 1947 and now they have the ak200 on the way that will deal with business
An end of the world gun is a piston gun, hands down. Eventually, you will run out of lube.
5.56 and 7.62 are your best choices, because they are the most easy to come across.
however, special forces are using 6.5 / 6.8 simply because they are special forces and can afford it. to outfit every army/navy/marine with a 6.8 would be rather costly.
@50TNCSA Have fun finding ammo for them if shit hit the fan how about semi auto ar or a bolt 308 maybe a bolt 5.56 also im pritty sure staying in your house with a stockpile of ammo aint gonna last too long so your bolt guns unless in a very populer caliber are useless in a situation you are talking about unless you keep a few rounds on you and travel but eventually you will run out and need another weapon.
@GUNS4MIKE1234 number one in wrol the idea is to restore some form of order and not to go rambo and kill every one you see ROE in wrol is to fire when fired upon two ive never seen a bolt gun jam and 8mm mauser is a popular hunting round and 7.62x54 is very popular due to the fact you can by it in bulk and and the abundit amount of mosin nagants in the US atm
@50TNCSA Good have fun doing that with a gun that needs spechial ammo in a situation that is not always perfect not saying gun down people with a m60 saying moveing around with your family and takeing care of what you can finding food water etc would be my top concern and great it's cheap so what im not saying get cheap im saying if shtf I need security that my weapon weather im in florida, texas, canada or mexico that I can find ammo for it. 5.56 and 7.62x51 are the most common along with
@50TNCSA 12 gauge, 9mm and .45acp so not saying it's a shit weapon if you lived in russia then sure go with a mosin or a ak since you would have ammo for it.
It all boils down to this: stopping the guy shooting at you faster, and this round will do that, i havent researched the ballistics but its sounding a lot like we are waking up to the inadequacies of the .223 FINALLY and going to something a lot closer to a proven battle round: the 7.62x39, which guess what, the Russians have been using since about 1947.
The Commonwealth forces did a serious study after WW2 and decided that 6.8mm would be the optimum assault rifle round. Lee-Enfield even built a rifle based around it. However the USA refused to back down from the 7.62x39 rounds.
From what I've read, the 6.8mm actually maintains a higher velocity over a longer range compared to the NATO 5.56. Better ballistics than either the 5.56 or 7.62.
it seems like it would be a great compromise, considering most soldiers would want a drop with either more power or accuracy - why not even it out? right?
@545Krinkify I have a Remington 700 Sendero chambered for 300 Win Mag. Thing is a cannon. The moment I fired it I thought to myself, "This isnt an anti-personel weapon! This weapon is anti-vehicle! I also have the same rifle with a fluted barrel chambered for 5.56. That thing is a precision weapon from hell out to 500yds, handloaded with a higher weight bullet you can get out to 700 accurately.
@545Krinkify indeed, true, but youre probably talking about benchrest stuff
or in anny case, i can tell you, the navy seals use 5.56x45mm semi-automatic sniper rifles/designated marksmen rifle
though i must admit, without the semi-auto capabillity, who knows, maybe it even woudnt pass for such things, even for law enforcement(for them it can be a bit more special)
I have a great solution for that exact situation, if you have enemies coming at you wearing body armour, and its tough to bring em down, aim for the head, that might just work
I'm pretty sure when you're 20 feet away from the person, accuracy really doesn't matter...i've seen people put a whole in a .50 bmg using an AK at 100 yards, you've gotta be a dumbass not to be able to hit someone at that short range. And hey mr. navy seals, why not shoot them in the face or leg, where there's NOT body armor...im pretty sure that'll more than take care of your little problem lmfao
Shock and adrenaline of conflict often negate the feeling of immediate pain. To end a gun fight the quickest, the goal is to knock someone on their ass when they get hit.
10 of the 13 DC sniper victims were killed and all of them were incapicitated right after being hit from a 5.56. If you don't hit your target, they won't go down no matter what you fire at them.
@sodie77 The Marine Corps in Afghanistan is using totally redesigned hollow point ammo because the troops are complaining about the walking wounded. The problem is we have treaties against the use of "hollow points" so we are calling them "open tipped" to skirt the treaty.
The 5.56 round is so bad we have to lie to make it battlefield lethal.
You must be an idiot comparing soccer mom DC sniper victims to drugged up on opium suicidal Taliban sand people.
@cchanderson You are the arm chair idiot, only 3 of the 13 DC sniper victims were female and judging from the photos, most of the men were not small in any sense. I'm looking at their pictures right now and most of the men and at least one of the females look like they weigh far more than 200 lbs.
@sodie77 yeah that was the problem with AK47. it had a hella big round, but the gun was too small, so you cant hit shit. if id have to choose a weapon for the post apocalyptic world, id go with the g3. that way u get some accuracy.
@sodie77 Yea but it is nice to know that you can hit someone behind a wall and kill him, trust me when I say that these new rounds especially the 6.5 are more accurate and have farther ranges, if there was no problem with the 5.56 then there would be no reason to change it.
@AppelsiinimiesFIN yes, aim for the part of the body that is the hardest target.
plus, dunno what they are bubbling about in this video. the 5.56 DOES pierce body armor, you just have to keep shooting, which you can do, as the 5.56 is MUCH lighter than the 7.62 and you can carry almost triple as much ammo.
u civilians don't know the shit that goes on in the military, u think that because we have it , it must work. hell no we use it cause that's what they give us, just like when they issue us 5 different body armor plates in 2 years. because its big business. politicians are making money by stealing tax payers money and charging 1500 dollars for 250 dollars plates. 5.56mm is the worst round ever, yea u can carry more, but won't need it if u hit someone once with a 7.62mm. semper fi
@roclobster.....5.56mm is a piece of shit. I've fired it at hadjis not ballistic gels so I can tell u is fuckin useless. there's a reason we use 7.62mm when u want someone dead. the reason why we use 5.56 is because some dirty politician owns the company that manufactures this bullets, its deep pockets for politicians. this comes from an 0311 grunt proven in the field of battle.
the un wont change their ammo, if the 5.56 wasnt good it would had been forgotten or changed stop debating about how bad is it , it isnt that bad , think about it
Does this honestly happen? Do enemies honestly get hit by a 5.56mm x 45mm NATO round and not notice it because it is small. I know the M16 has less power the the AK47 but if you get shot then blood loss and panic completely overwhelms you.
"OMG I HAVE BEEN SHOT!" "Oh don't worry it was just a 5.56mm bullet carry on"
the fact is that are troops out in afghan are coming home saying how when theve shot a rag head twice even 3 times but they are still running at them because the 5.56 round doesnt have the capability to floor your enemy especially if your enemy is high on drugs like most rag heads are!
@GodKiller97 Again, that's beside the point. The point is that 5.56 is still a powerful enough round in many cases, and is far more weight and size efficient than 7.62.
@Rocklobster933 I don't have them on me (I'd have to search around my internet history), but if I remember correctly, despite the 7.62 being a heavier round (a solider could carry less than 150 rounds), it took 2-3 impact wounds on average to kill a person as opposed to the 1-2 impact wounds caused from the 7.62. That's besides the point since the 6.8 outperformes both rounds.
@sassy2161 It does happens. And of course the person can die later, but it's the idea to make sure that your enemy is incapable to continue the fight after it was hit. But it does happens that with adrenaline rush and other factors. So it's not that drastic as you say it, but that problem is known in the Russian military with their 5.45 as well.
I've seen a guy hit nearly 30 times with 5.56 and still shoot back in Mosul, Iraq. I've also seen a person hit with a single 5.56 round from 300m in the back drop with just the one round. i hate 5.56.
@sassy2161 it actually kinda happened in the battle of fullujah* look it up, the insurgents were soo drugged up, the marines had said they wouldn't go down unless they bled out or were hit in head.
@sassy2161 because the round is so fast it passes straight through, casing nerve damage so you dont feel it, i know someone who got shot with a 5.56 at the top of the arm and didnt know until he saw blood coming out his sleeve.
@sassy2161 Actually the 5.56 has more punch than the 7.62x39. The 5.56 flies at 3250FPS and the 7.62 slows more rapidly and leaves the barrel at below 2800. Also the 5.56 has a habit of fragmenting and creating more fluid shock. This was actually a shock to the Swiss who were making it to be a less damaging round. Far from it actually.
guys im confused... so if this bullet like mac said that it has the velocity of an m16 and the kinetic energy of ak-47 but why the us army and others are still using the 7.62 and the 5.56???
genius, i mean getting rid of the .223 its a .22 bullet, how it was supposed to kill?but the 6.8x 45 it really between a .308 an .223 which is perfect
@freestylmx311 6.8 has the velocity of the 5.56 and the same kenetic energy of the 7.62. I never fired one with a 6.8 but i seen the results and those results are the truth
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aa120231 5 days ago
@greenbeenie60 It was a 2rd World Country but today its a 1rd World Country :D
Baconmaster92 5 days ago
Interesting, yesterday I watched "Weaponology - Spetznaz" and they said that the Russians had been studying the Vietnam conflict and seeing the advantages of the 5.56mm over the 7.62 (e.g. heavier bullet flew directly through the person but the smaller 5.56 would spin in the body tearing the organs) so they decided to switch to the 5.45. And now the Americans want to switch to bigger bullets, because they have more punch. I'm confused.
wladius 5 days ago
if only we had a small enough round that could fit through the individual weaves of kevlar.... oh wait
Southerly93 6 days ago
Does he speak like that the whole time ?
viniboyadvanced 1 week ago
so they took an m4, downsized it a bit and chambered it for 6.8. whats the big deal? i'm pretty sure theres smaller guns with bullets that have similar kinetic energy outputs
beeftothetaco 1 week ago
@beeftothetaco I might be wrong but the 6.8 is pretty similar to the .280. The .280 is actually stronger, but i don't think the guns that fire that round are as compact as this weapon.
jabooper 1 week ago
THIS IS WHY I BOUGHT THIS ONE INSTEAD OF THE ACR
puertoricanboy100 1 week ago
wow the cocking handle travel is les then half of an m4
SLINGSHOTandMOLOTOWS 1 week ago
OMG and yes and Russia is a 3rd world country if you seen the crap they operate with or have worked with there military forces you would know that russia a 3rd world country. as far as the AK being the better weapoon I tell you what you stand at 400 meters away from me and I will gve you the AK and ill take the M-4.... you wont even come close to me.. i will kill you .....
greenbeenie60 2 weeks ago
@greenbeenie60
400 meters with 5,56...Good luck with that.
Not saying that the 7.62x39 is any better at that range, and considering you were talking about the russian military I assume I would get an ak74, and the ballistics of 5,56 v 5,45 is negligable.
But I'm only trained with a g3 and mp5, so if you're experienced with an m4 you'd probably take me down if I had an ak.
Kinvariz123 1 week ago
@Kinvariz123 well i know i can hit a man at 600 yards with a m16a2 service rifle so 400 is alittle low granted ill take my m1 garand or my m1a springfield
tanker882 1 week ago
@Kinvariz123 Here in Britain our infantry have to hit targets at 400m to pass their annual markmanship tests, but that is with an L85 which has a longer barrel than an M16 but a shorter overall length than an M4 due to its bullpup features.
rangliansoldier 1 week ago
@rangliansoldier
Yep, nothing new there, now give them 10" barrels and make them fire at moving targets, with camo, body armor and plates.
Kinvariz123 1 week ago
@Kinvariz123 For the L85A2 we say it has an effective individual range of 400m and a section range of 600m. All you need to do is supress the enemy at that range, then you can maneouver or use supporting arms. The infanteer doesnt need a sniper rifle to do his job in maneouver warfare.
rangliansoldier 1 week ago
@rangliansoldier Nothing new, and for all you wrote it's completely irrelevant, the discussing was an m4(14,5") v ak at 400meters. but good on you for trying though
Kinvariz123 1 week ago
@greenbeenie60 "You are probably from some small bitch country."- FPS Russia
uiiiiop1234 18 hours ago
for a second i thought mac was lying on the old lady when he was in the car at the start
crispychris97 2 weeks ago
i would of took out those dudes with a 5.56.
ThermalSh0ck 2 weeks ago
yes, but poor russians are alot poorer than poor americans.
ddioppp 3 weeks ago
Unless being built for a specific use or contract, the 6.8s always fail....look at the Barrett Rec 7, it came out exclusively in 6.8 and after poor sales and demand from the civillian market, they came out with a 556 version. Your weapon is only good if it has ammo to fire, the military is very wary of switching from standard calibers.
igotjuice007 3 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
he's humping the old lady...
igotjuice007 3 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
who is the ugly broad?
Vergon3256 3 weeks ago
The 6.8 spc is is in limited use with SOCOM. My response was for the 5.56 is crap argument. It is not. I do not see NATO shifting the the 6.8 spc I or II anytime soon. Before that the 6.5 Grendel was the next best thing and that's not around much. If the military picked it up would I convert...yes I like my fighting carbine to use readily available parts and ammo.
elox02 3 weeks ago
Even your law enforcement agencies teach you now if dont gain the desired effect when you shoot someone in the chest shoot for the head. Pepole have forgot that the chest is not the only place to shoot. Yes its the most desirable place but you got the head and if your a lousy shot which you shouldnt be anyways on a PSD team you go for Abdominal shots very effective and a bigger area than the head. Take a m-4 and Ak shoot an ammo can and tell me which one has a bigger exit hole. AK=CHIT
greenbeenie60 3 weeks ago
Are you really that retarded. Seriously yea AK is a good weapon for a 3rd world country but M-4 is by far superior. Seriously where do you get his dribble from. Yea i may not be as qualified as you with only 20 years in the military last 10 in Special Forces and now the last 8 years doing contract work ... M-4 is made for precision and AK are made for spray and pray. As far a punching power of the M-4 its round selection as well. if that fails remember what marines say one shot one kill....
greenbeenie60 3 weeks ago
@greenbeenie60 Far superior? That's just an opinion. I won't argue which is better. While the M4 is a more accurate rifle, the AK is much more accurate then people like to give it credit for. I've fired many of them. An AK is only a spray and pray weapon if the person behind it uses it that way. Use it in semi automatic mode, and decent accuracy is not hard to obtain. Optics help too.
esh325 3 weeks ago
@greenbeenie60 You know Russia is not a 3rd world country...
BoracicSumo3 3 weeks ago 7
@BoracicSumo3 its alot poor people there
ddioppp 3 weeks ago
@ddioppp There are a lot of poor people in the US... Most countries, if not all, have a considerable amount of poor people... it's a fact of life...
BoracicSumo3 3 weeks ago
psd vs. Beowulf ? Psd 6.8mm beowulf 50cal
i'm so confused
The3bood8 3 weeks ago
@The3bood8 How so? 6.8mm is about a .26 cal.
MadnessOfMarmots 3 weeks ago
@MadnessOfMarmots oh i see how could i count it (to change between mm , cal )
The3bood8 3 weeks ago
And technically not "hollow points" but the mk318 mod 0 ammo in an open tipped match. The hollow cavity it's as deep as hollow points but the jacket is pulled to the front from the ass of the bullet creating an open tip and will open to some extent like a hp round and the military is using it. SOST OTM barrier blind
elox02 4 weeks ago
The manufacturer is allowing him to test a weapon of course he is trying to "sell it" he's not getting paid to fly to there test facility firing the weapon for free to say "the 5.56 round is fine we don't need to complicate fielding a weapon of a new caliber. The 5.56 is a great round it's unrealistic expectations of 1 shit kills with a fighting carbine is the problem.
elox02 4 weeks ago
@elox02 I don't think the special forces who created 6.8 SPC cared about marketing, they wanted a more lethal round. While it's true there is no magical 1 shot kill caliber, the 6.8 SPC is probably a more reliable killer then the 5.56x45. The short comings of the 5.56x45 are very well documented and not something made up by gun company trying to sell their product.
esh325 3 weeks ago
wow it sounds like the 5.56 is really dog shit...I thought its hydro static shock tore peoples asses up..these guys say targets kept doing what they where doing like shooting back..
HamTheDog 4 weeks ago
here is a funny joke for you... lets say your on the field and your using a 50 calibre sniper rifle you come across a car full of taliban, you cant shoot them you can only shoot the car due to the geniver convention (i know i spelt it wrong) due to the fact its overkill, you can only shoot the car isnt that fucking great
lukemc1878 1 month ago
Mack clearly knows shit about PSD formations.
punisherstew 1 month ago
lets think here in afghanistan soldiers are getting shot at by some raghead fuck over 800yards away with SMLE made in the 1940's and 50's while are guys using 5.56 have trouble hitting them and the 6.8 cant be pressed pass 400yrds so the 6.8 isnt a good choice for uncle sam so next caliber
50TNCSA 1 month ago
5.56 has the NATO stamp, so there wont be any big change within the U.S. military. The AK is trustworthy but ammo is too heavy to carry a lot of and like the video it's not accurate; one of the reasons it's reliable. The 6.8 is the middle ground and just goes straight forever. The LWRC uses a gas piston, but I don't know if it's as heavy duty as the AK, or Sig 556.
b8zs4 1 month ago
AK is just the best gun, it does the trick and beats all this fancy shit since 1947 and now they have the ak200 on the way that will deal with business
lilblitz 1 month ago
Who's the ugly broad he's escorting?
Vergon3256 1 month ago
An end of the world gun is a piston gun, hands down. Eventually, you will run out of lube.
5.56 and 7.62 are your best choices, because they are the most easy to come across.
however, special forces are using 6.5 / 6.8 simply because they are special forces and can afford it. to outfit every army/navy/marine with a 6.8 would be rather costly.
NoahHoe 1 month ago
@NoahHoe bolt guns for the end of the world son mosins and mausers FTW !!!!!!!
50TNCSA 1 month ago
@50TNCSA Have fun finding ammo for them if shit hit the fan how about semi auto ar or a bolt 308 maybe a bolt 5.56 also im pritty sure staying in your house with a stockpile of ammo aint gonna last too long so your bolt guns unless in a very populer caliber are useless in a situation you are talking about unless you keep a few rounds on you and travel but eventually you will run out and need another weapon.
GUNS4MIKE1234 1 month ago
@GUNS4MIKE1234 number one in wrol the idea is to restore some form of order and not to go rambo and kill every one you see ROE in wrol is to fire when fired upon two ive never seen a bolt gun jam and 8mm mauser is a popular hunting round and 7.62x54 is very popular due to the fact you can by it in bulk and and the abundit amount of mosin nagants in the US atm
50TNCSA 1 month ago
@50TNCSA Good have fun doing that with a gun that needs spechial ammo in a situation that is not always perfect not saying gun down people with a m60 saying moveing around with your family and takeing care of what you can finding food water etc would be my top concern and great it's cheap so what im not saying get cheap im saying if shtf I need security that my weapon weather im in florida, texas, canada or mexico that I can find ammo for it. 5.56 and 7.62x51 are the most common along with
GUNS4MIKE1234 1 month ago
@50TNCSA 12 gauge, 9mm and .45acp so not saying it's a shit weapon if you lived in russia then sure go with a mosin or a ak since you would have ammo for it.
GUNS4MIKE1234 1 month ago
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peepeeperson 1 month ago
ak all the way.
ImYerrow 1 month ago
estes rockets, 6 o'clock.
leloodallasmultipass 1 month ago
i think 5.56 hollow point would do good damaga aswell!
Gumpa2 1 month ago
@Gumpa2
to bad armies aren't allowed to use hollow point, unless they are us mp's at army installations.
Wiromax3 1 month ago
dirty mind at 'this situation sucks'
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cogtag29DOM 1 month ago
7.62x39mm more than double the kinetic energy of the 5.56 Nato? What is Mac smoking?
ArmednSafe 1 month ago
the PDW made by KAC is better IMO, you still have that stupid buffer tube in the PSD. bad for concealment and fast draw.
153masterchief 1 month ago
It all boils down to this: stopping the guy shooting at you faster, and this round will do that, i havent researched the ballistics but its sounding a lot like we are waking up to the inadequacies of the .223 FINALLY and going to something a lot closer to a proven battle round: the 7.62x39, which guess what, the Russians have been using since about 1947.
123456Masteraceman 1 month ago
IT SOUNDS ORGASSSMIC!
preppychrisbou 1 month ago
HI BILLY MAYS HERE WITH THE LWRC M6A2 PSD in 6.8mm SPC
Mtmcgjr 1 month ago 35
@Mtmcgjr LOL
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TRAUMAeagle 1 month ago 27
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jay2431 4 weeks ago
@TRAUMAeagle There have been only two comments in the last 2 months even related to video games, so go cry yourself to sleep.
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zach3893 3 weeks ago
something like the H&K G11 rifle !
bunnyrabbit008 1 month ago
@bunnyrabbit008 black ops is gay. the only reason you even know about that rifle is because of black ops.
PointRecce 1 month ago
@PointRecce He never said anything about Black Ops. Maybe you know it's in there because you like Black Ops?
cavedweller1996 1 month ago
@cavedweller1996
Hey young man , it was about 15 years ago that I played with video games for the last time .
bunnyrabbit008 1 month ago
@bunnyrabbit008 well maybe its time u started again! lol
123456Masteraceman 1 month ago
@123456Masteraceman
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bunnyrabbit008 1 month ago
actually its the size of the round and not the bullet. the same (7.62 mm round bullet or larger)
If we can decrease the size of the shell by using a new type of powder charge and still have the same performance then it will be awesome !
bunnyrabbit008 1 month ago
The Commonwealth forces did a serious study after WW2 and decided that 6.8mm would be the optimum assault rifle round. Lee-Enfield even built a rifle based around it. However the USA refused to back down from the 7.62x39 rounds.
From what I've read, the 6.8mm actually maintains a higher velocity over a longer range compared to the NATO 5.56. Better ballistics than either the 5.56 or 7.62.
brightmal 1 month ago
@brightmal I don't mean to be a nuisance, but the US actually used the 7.62x51 mm
Eartola44 1 month ago
did one of you hear him say fucking at 1:55 ?????
danielwippich123 1 month ago
I would really like to know what most troops think of the 6.8 round...I mean- Is it
1.A total compromise
or
2.The best of both worlds (7.62 + 5.56)????
williamblair11 2 months ago
@williamblair11
it seems like it would be a great compromise, considering most soldiers would want a drop with either more power or accuracy - why not even it out? right?
ShockerIAN 2 months ago
kinetic energy its "punch"
the 556 round however is faster so more likely to hit longer ranges
infinitelimitation 2 months ago
@infinitelimitation 6.8 is a hybrid round. It packs the kinetic energy of a 5.56X45 with the stopping power of a 7.62X51 round.
maskaryan 2 months ago
@maskaryan beautiful :) the future round of choice
infinitelimitation 2 months ago
@maskaryan 7.62x51?! It should be 7.62x39.
timothychong48 1 month ago
@timothychong48 yeah, 7.62X51 NATo. the 7.62 by 39 is used in the AK-47
maskaryan 1 month ago
4:12 he had a grip in the rifle and was holding the mag has a grip. EPIC FAIL!
30dynamo 2 months ago
@30dynamo
Troops do that all the time.
hotdogman67 2 months ago 3
@hotdogman67 i know but man it totally is an epic fail!
30dynamo 2 months ago
@30dynamo its all a matter of preference. they may have just provided one with a foregrip, but the guy might not use them
maskaryan 2 months ago
@30dynamo Personal preference dude
ALJR223 1 month ago
short barrels look ugly in guns... it looks like a the M4 decreased it's dick size
Stellinrr 2 months ago
@Stellinrr
And the M4 is a decreased dick size of the M16.
hotdogman67 2 months ago
lol i came here by searching: hoovy weapons asshump* O_O
Makinnoz13 2 months ago
6.8 gonna be in mw3 but on the ACR
MrEran1996 2 months ago
Why not just reconfigure the M16/M4 design to fire something better, like 6.5 or 6.8?
allghilliedup21 2 months ago
@allghilliedup21 They already make a conversion kit for 5.56mm to 6.8mm.
GunsOfThePhoenix 2 months ago
Being on top of that old hag? Yeah that situation does suck.
DittoChu 2 months ago
looks like my TM-15 paintball gun
MrEXOCTIC 2 months ago
@545Krinkify
the .950 is even better.
a shame there's only 1 rifle that can fire it.
jehannes1000 2 months ago
@545Krinkify I have a Remington 700 Sendero chambered for 300 Win Mag. Thing is a cannon. The moment I fired it I thought to myself, "This isnt an anti-personel weapon! This weapon is anti-vehicle! I also have the same rifle with a fluted barrel chambered for 5.56. That thing is a precision weapon from hell out to 500yds, handloaded with a higher weight bullet you can get out to 700 accurately.
mctrlsys 2 months ago
Why the hell didn't these people have a sharpshooter on the roof?
mctrlsys 2 months ago
@545Krinkify like i said
or atleast, you earn more money then me :)
i mean .408ct rounds are $ 5 each no then ?
ah, but its exualy none of my buisness, dont tell shit about it
in anny case, its more money then i coud afford honestly
ok, i coud afford it, but thats like $50 each time youre gonna shoot and practice with it atleast
and for a rifle....
thats more money i can get in 2 months for sure if i want to stay alive :)
thethousandman 2 months ago
@545Krinkify indeed, true, but youre probably talking about benchrest stuff
or in anny case, i can tell you, the navy seals use 5.56x45mm semi-automatic sniper rifles/designated marksmen rifle
though i must admit, without the semi-auto capabillity, who knows, maybe it even woudnt pass for such things, even for law enforcement(for them it can be a bit more special)
ps: .408ct ?
youre a rich dude then mate
thethousandman 2 months ago
@545Krinkify ..if you say that all because of youre experiences i must admit, i dont have them, but the stories are not all good for the 6.5mm grendel
exualy, if you realy search about it for people who experimented a bit with it, not at all
though i realy wonder how a straight pull bolt action 6.5mm grendel woud be
woud be a hell of a lightweight sniper rifle
special purpose though
thethousandman 2 months ago
@545Krinkify ..grendel never be realy intended for millitary use, unlike the 6.8mm spc
it was meant for target shooting
also the 6.8mm spc works better when being used in rifles with short barrels compared to the 6.5mm grendel
though there are a few things about those arguments that yet have to be prooved
like the gunpowder woud be the reason why the 6.8mm spc is better for shorter barrels then the 6.5mm grendel
though there shoud be nothing wrong for using it in a bolt action rifle,...
thethousandman 2 months ago
@545Krinkify well, there was once a guy telling me about the 6.5mm grendel being not cycling that well in the rifles
and i then searched somewhat on the internet
the fact that the round is not balanced verry well(not the exual bullet)makes it slightly less releable then the 6.8mm spc
also there was a problem with 6.5mm grendel magazines being not releable
though it seems that part is solved now, the 6.5mm grendel is still slightly unreleable
also its also kinda a fight about the 6.5mm....
thethousandman 2 months ago
@545Krinkify but its less releable in semi-automatic and fully automatic rifles
thethousandman 2 months ago
5.56 n 7.62 r bot rifle rounds n will shred ur flesh like cheese
kintatzu333 2 months ago
I have a great solution for that exact situation, if you have enemies coming at you wearing body armour, and its tough to bring em down, aim for the head, that might just work
SuperUltraNinja1 2 months ago
4:06 - imagine if you was fishing in that pond and he popped out at you 0.o
godfrey1995ish 2 months ago
i always knew mack had a hard on for old ladys
dantheman167 2 months ago
I'm pretty sure when you're 20 feet away from the person, accuracy really doesn't matter...i've seen people put a whole in a .50 bmg using an AK at 100 yards, you've gotta be a dumbass not to be able to hit someone at that short range. And hey mr. navy seals, why not shoot them in the face or leg, where there's NOT body armor...im pretty sure that'll more than take care of your little problem lmfao
INKOFORANGE 2 months ago
Shock and adrenaline of conflict often negate the feeling of immediate pain. To end a gun fight the quickest, the goal is to knock someone on their ass when they get hit.
ohrightyth3n 2 months ago
seriously?with a 5.56 you are still going to kill him
MrGunguy2 2 months ago
10 of the 13 DC sniper victims were killed and all of them were incapicitated right after being hit from a 5.56. If you don't hit your target, they won't go down no matter what you fire at them.
sodie77 2 months ago 7
@sodie77 The Marine Corps in Afghanistan is using totally redesigned hollow point ammo because the troops are complaining about the walking wounded. The problem is we have treaties against the use of "hollow points" so we are calling them "open tipped" to skirt the treaty.
The 5.56 round is so bad we have to lie to make it battlefield lethal.
You must be an idiot comparing soccer mom DC sniper victims to drugged up on opium suicidal Taliban sand people.
cchanderson 2 months ago
@cchanderson You are the arm chair idiot, only 3 of the 13 DC sniper victims were female and judging from the photos, most of the men were not small in any sense. I'm looking at their pictures right now and most of the men and at least one of the females look like they weigh far more than 200 lbs.
sodie77 2 months ago
@sodie77 yeah that was the problem with AK47. it had a hella big round, but the gun was too small, so you cant hit shit. if id have to choose a weapon for the post apocalyptic world, id go with the g3. that way u get some accuracy.
fatty1443 1 month ago
@sodie77 Yea but it is nice to know that you can hit someone behind a wall and kill him, trust me when I say that these new rounds especially the 6.5 are more accurate and have farther ranges, if there was no problem with the 5.56 then there would be no reason to change it.
theslamminsammon 1 month ago
What's with the new name? Last I heard it was the Barrett M468.
lizardprotector 2 months ago
3 rounds from a 5.56 can KILL YOU KEEP THE FUCKING M4/M16
jpg36c 3 months ago
@jpg36c can, yes.. nut it never hurts to have something more reliable.
WhyDoYouCareWhatMyUs 2 months ago
@AppelsiinimiesFIN yes, aim for the part of the body that is the hardest target.
plus, dunno what they are bubbling about in this video. the 5.56 DOES pierce body armor, you just have to keep shooting, which you can do, as the 5.56 is MUCH lighter than the 7.62 and you can carry almost triple as much ammo.
JSHADOWM 3 months ago
Hmmm... looks like the commando from Black Ops...
Raptor36x 3 months ago
u civilians don't know the shit that goes on in the military, u think that because we have it , it must work. hell no we use it cause that's what they give us, just like when they issue us 5 different body armor plates in 2 years. because its big business. politicians are making money by stealing tax payers money and charging 1500 dollars for 250 dollars plates. 5.56mm is the worst round ever, yea u can carry more, but won't need it if u hit someone once with a 7.62mm. semper fi
jabolyn 3 months ago
@roclobster.....5.56mm is a piece of shit. I've fired it at hadjis not ballistic gels so I can tell u is fuckin useless. there's a reason we use 7.62mm when u want someone dead. the reason why we use 5.56 is because some dirty politician owns the company that manufactures this bullets, its deep pockets for politicians. this comes from an 0311 grunt proven in the field of battle.
jabolyn 3 months ago
Definetly wouldnt have the same recoil like he said. That would defy newtons laws....
ReallyAwesomeGinger 3 months ago
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Why do we need guns? Aint gaddafi dead?
Keithlovescake 3 months ago
Damn Russians. WHY DID YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE AK-47? WHY????
rahkshifan99 3 months ago
@rahkshifan99 Why must they make the best gun ever...I have no idea
Holysam1337 3 months ago
thanxs for wars america, in the streets no have more violence for your. fk all americans , all die.
Pelagambas1 3 months ago
@Pelagambas1 awww someone mad. XD
gullett1966 3 months ago
If you're going to insult a nation, at least speak their language.
rahkshifan99 3 months ago
you've got to be surprised discovery is spending this much money on a show about guns. goes to show this is aimed towards fps fanboys.
wynsezhello 3 months ago
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Ex Delta operator Paul Howe. =)
TheSilverbride 3 months ago
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TheSilverbride 3 months ago
is dis commando from black ops
fpsdong 3 months ago
@fpsdong No.
bakememad 3 months ago
@fpsdong commando is the car-15 the older varient of the M4.
magstrike105 3 months ago
@magstrike105 rite tnks mate
fpsdong 3 months ago
@fpsdong another black ops fanboy >.>
TheDraindeimo 3 months ago
@545Krinkify yes it is
rammsteinlover1337 3 months ago
@545Krinkify there is a reason why you dont use the M4/m16 it sucked at first and still do
rammsteinlover1337 3 months ago
@545Krinkify i want to believe it too it will happen but not soon
SuperHectortilla 3 months ago
the un wont change their ammo, if the 5.56 wasnt good it would had been forgotten or changed stop debating about how bad is it , it isnt that bad , think about it
SuperHectortilla 3 months ago
my granddad is ceo of this company
thebeatlesrock5000 3 months ago
Does this honestly happen? Do enemies honestly get hit by a 5.56mm x 45mm NATO round and not notice it because it is small. I know the M16 has less power the the AK47 but if you get shot then blood loss and panic completely overwhelms you.
"OMG I HAVE BEEN SHOT!" "Oh don't worry it was just a 5.56mm bullet carry on"
sassy2161 3 months ago 46
@sassy2161 Perhaps if they were on drugs AND body armor, but a shot to the vitals is a One Hit Knock Out
zerghalo2 3 months ago
@sassy2161
the fact is that are troops out in afghan are coming home saying how when theve shot a rag head twice even 3 times but they are still running at them because the 5.56 round doesnt have the capability to floor your enemy especially if your enemy is high on drugs like most rag heads are!
scuba178 3 months ago
@sassy2161 Actually, there have been many reports of people not going down after being hit by the 5.56.
GodKiller97 3 months ago
@GodKiller97 That's beside the point. You are going to get reports of people not going down with regardless of the round, within reason.
Rocklobster933 3 months ago
@Rocklobster933 How often have you heard of someone getting hit by a 7.62 and walking it off?
GodKiller97 3 months ago
@GodKiller97 Again, that's beside the point. The point is that 5.56 is still a powerful enough round in many cases, and is far more weight and size efficient than 7.62.
Rocklobster933 3 months ago
@Rocklobster933 I don't have them on me (I'd have to search around my internet history), but if I remember correctly, despite the 7.62 being a heavier round (a solider could carry less than 150 rounds), it took 2-3 impact wounds on average to kill a person as opposed to the 1-2 impact wounds caused from the 7.62. That's besides the point since the 6.8 outperformes both rounds.
GodKiller97 3 months ago
@Rocklobster933 And the 6.8 is the sweet spot in between :-)
wey97 3 months ago
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@sassy2161 yeah i agree, regardless it would be like getting hit with a sledge hammer.
nuclearfish010 3 months ago
Well he said the attackers were wearing body armor...
rahkshifan99 3 months ago
@sassy2161 with the right amount of adrenaline and just a fleshwound caused by the bullet...yeah...
it does happen on occasion.
ssi1991 3 months ago
@sassy2161 in some part of the body theres more chance you die if you hit by a 7.62 than 5.56
MrEran1996 3 months ago
@sassy2161 they mean when it hit the target with a bulletproof vest you know and the ak47 has greater penetration power bcuz of larger bullets
muvo94 3 months ago
@sassy2161 thay feel it yes but it does not damage them enough to stop them from fighting.
T1ERGAMERS 3 months ago
@sassy2161 It does happens. And of course the person can die later, but it's the idea to make sure that your enemy is incapable to continue the fight after it was hit. But it does happens that with adrenaline rush and other factors. So it's not that drastic as you say it, but that problem is known in the Russian military with their 5.45 as well.
allidsarebusy 3 months ago
@sassy2161
I've seen a guy hit nearly 30 times with 5.56 and still shoot back in Mosul, Iraq. I've also seen a person hit with a single 5.56 round from 300m in the back drop with just the one round. i hate 5.56.
PMClooser 3 months ago
@sassy2161 it actually kinda happened in the battle of fullujah* look it up, the insurgents were soo drugged up, the marines had said they wouldn't go down unless they bled out or were hit in head.
blacksoilder10 3 months ago
@sassy2161 because the round is so fast it passes straight through, casing nerve damage so you dont feel it, i know someone who got shot with a 5.56 at the top of the arm and didnt know until he saw blood coming out his sleeve.
frechproff 2 months ago
@sassy2161 you can tell that to their body armor
dragonlarez 2 months ago
@sassy2161 kinda, in this situation i can get that more power means sertainly better
if its such a personal assasination atempt, the more painfull it is, the better it can go
thethousandman 2 months ago
@sassy2161 with adrenaline surging through your veins you might not notice, people have been know to lose limbs without noticing.
GavinTheBruce 2 months ago
@sassy2161 Actually the 5.56 has more punch than the 7.62x39. The 5.56 flies at 3250FPS and the 7.62 slows more rapidly and leaves the barrel at below 2800. Also the 5.56 has a habit of fragmenting and creating more fluid shock. This was actually a shock to the Swiss who were making it to be a less damaging round. Far from it actually.
mctrlsys 2 months ago
guys im confused... so if this bullet like mac said that it has the velocity of an m16 and the kinetic energy of ak-47 but why the us army and others are still using the 7.62 and the 5.56???
baboonwarior 3 months ago
@baboonwarior say that this round DOES have the ballistic advantages of the 5.56 and the kinetic benefits of 7.62, lets just buy that, ok.
now, think how much money would it take to rearm the ENTIRE army with 6.5 rifles.
Even if it was the best round in the universe, rearming would not happen, and if it did, it would take YEARS.
JSHADOWM 3 months ago
genius, i mean getting rid of the .223 its a .22 bullet, how it was supposed to kill?but the 6.8x 45 it really between a .308 an .223 which is perfect
KXBike14 3 months ago
Why dose he whisper?
erogonfolt 3 months ago
been lookin' for the name of this gun thanks bro
isacc452 4 months ago
@isacc452
This is the LWRC PSD 6.8MM SBR waiting for my stamp on it now.
josephtorres11 3 months ago
only 360p? must be for safety reasons
cappucinocream91 4 months ago
@masek1prod
I havent seen any ballistics that say that, But Ill do more looking around, if thats true then that sounds like an awesome round
freestylmx311 4 months ago
@freestylmx311 it's expensive. Well i can't wait to get my hands on a LWRC M6A4, a lot of Law enforcement prefer it
MASEK1PROD 3 months ago
@Dale 767
Ya why not just skip the 5.56 and 6.8 and just use a 7.62X51 sbr?? that would rock all oer both of those calibers as well as the ak47 round
freestylmx311 4 months ago
@freestylmx311 6.8 has the velocity of the 5.56 and the same kenetic energy of the 7.62. I never fired one with a 6.8 but i seen the results and those results are the truth
MASEK1PROD 4 months ago