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  • I HATE the fact that when I'm in school(middle school, going to high school next year), the teachers will make you stand up during the pledge. I'm gonna ask mrs. Delaney, my Language Arts teacher, if I can walk out of the class room while it's being said, since I can't sit down. :p

  • @FolkBoyify I never had a problem with the pledge. It is good to be loyal to one's country. By loyal, I don't mean blindly follow.

  • I knew it was Bellamy, but didn't know his first name, or the other stuff. I don't think that's the point for me though. As a kid, I would have been much more vocal about NOT saying the pledge growing up as a kid if I knew what I know now.

  • Good to know that you have done your homework, Abby.

  • If anyone said that on theO'Reilly factor, Bill will probably interept them like he does a lot of his guests.

  • Yeah, add me to the list of people creeped out by making kids say the pledge.

    BTW: no ads on your vid for me.

  • @prodigyat9 Lol, that's because I haven't put this video on revenue sharing yet :)

  • I find American kids swearing a pledge of allegiance really fucking creepy.

  • @Curas1

    Fascism = the economics of Nationalism & Capitalism, fused ...Feudal aristocratic traditional ethnic cultural backlash against "Jew Multikultur Capitalism" ethnic mixing & (International) Socialism's multiculturalism.

    Capitalism is predatory competition ...till a few "winners", the Strongest most cutthroat "Cream of the crop" CEOs survive & rise to the Top (monopolistic Capitalism)

    Hitler just took Capitalist competition a step further, to racial/ethnic competition.

  • @Curas1

    Fascism = the economics of Nationalism & Capitalism ...Feudal aristocratic ethnic backlash against ethnic mixing of "Jew Multikultur Capitalism" and multicultural (Internationalist) Socialism.

    Capitalism is competition, till the Strongest cutthroat "Cream of the crop" CEOs are left standing & rise to the Top (monopoly Capitalism) Survival of the Fittest.

    Hitler just took that Capitalist competition a step further, to racial/ethnic competition.

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  • @Curas1

    all Nationalists ARE Racist.

    Fascism is the economics of Nationalism & Capitalism ...Feudal aristocratic ethnic backlash against the ethnic mixing of "Jew Multikultur Capitalism" and multicultural (Internationalist) Socialism.

    Capitalism is competition, till the Fittest, Strongest cutthroat "Cream of the crop" CEOs are left standing & rise to the Top (monopoly Capitalism) Survival of the Fittest.

    Hitler just took that Capitalist competition a step further, to race/ethnic competition.

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  • @Curas1

    you inaccurately equate patriotism with Nationalism.

    Nationalism IS racism.

    Patriotism is NOT racism but a mild pride for country in a general, political, non-ethnic secular way.

    Nationalism is far more, it's ethnic superiority, seeing Nation and ethnic ancestry as inseparable. other ethnic groups in a Nation, are "the other", worthless, socially & genetically inferior, ethnic & social inequality ...justified.

    the Tea Party are not patriotic, they're Nationalist (racist)

  • @VampiressOnDaProwlq

    To me sometimes nationalism means anti statism, anti globalization and also not supporting internationalist views, sometimes that's progressive and sometimes thats small government conservative on social issues.

    You know I've run across people who always equate non internationalist sentiment with racist views and honestly I just don't feel that way.

    If not a economic nationalist (but progressive) it at least makes me a nativist and I think there are good reasons to

  • @Curas1

    Socialists are always Internationalists, meaning for Socialism & multiculturalism, across all ethnic & International borders.

    multicultural ...for appreciation of different ethnic cultures learning from each other, united together in equality & common efforts for progress ...partially to specifically fight Racism & Nationalism.

    but Socialists are passionately anti-Free Trade, anti-Globalists.

    Socialists are Protectionist, for protecting each separate country's Labor rights.

  • @VampiressOnDaProwlq

    I'm progressive in that I'm strongly for universal healthcare, a living wage/labor rights and affordable housing. I also am a committed advocate for the environment, wilderness protection, animal rights, alternative energy and of course as a atheist the promotion of real science

    Being a small government social conservative though I'm only as progressive on social issues as it promotes individualism (sometimes on things I don't even like) like gay marriage n prostitution

  • @Curas1

    you're not racist so you're not Nationalist ; ) okee, darling?

    you're just patriotic.

    but you're not for Individualism if you're against for Free Trade.

    not financial Individualism.

    Social safety net, Protectionism, Consumer protections and Govt regulations protects financial independence of the Individual (the financial liberty of Individual financial security) so people have stability with financial security, can put some wealth into savings and continue to be comfortable.

  • @Curas1

    if you're anti-Free Trade and anti-Globalist then you agree with Democratic Socialists.

    Socialists are for countries staying separate economically and financially ...but that's Protectionism, not Nationalism.

    strangely, Nationalists are for Free Trade, deregulation, low corporate taxes, low import tariffs and Global capitalism ...that's not patriotic!

  • @VampiressOnDaProwlq

    You know there are paleo conservatives that hate international trade, but I don't like their pre new deal ideals.

    Really though you will have to show me anywhere that 'Nationalists are for Free Trade, deregulation, low corporate taxes, low import tariffs and Global capitalism' I will proudly wear the egg on my face if you can pull that one off.

    That's the reverse of true nationalism economically by it's very definition because there socialist.

  • @Curas1

    LOL ask MrHerrIQ, FringeElements, MarmiteMan4, HeyRuka, EpicurianAtheist, BlackLizzardAcid, SpawkTalk, DanishGreatDane and hundreds other Nationalists how they feel on Free Trade, deregulation, low corporate taxes, Tax Cuts for the Rich (Tax spending), low import tariffs and Global capitalism VS Labor Rights, Protectionism, Equality, High Tax on the Rich and so on ; )

    they support manufacturing like Socialists but that's not Protectionism, that's just wanting national Industry.

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  • @VampiressOnDaProwlq

    Now see I like the gold standard though, but I also like a smaller military industrial complex (although I'm a hawk), I like a progressive tax and pay as you go spending.

    It's why I feel that we put a stop on immigration and any foreign aid because we need to use bio oil and localized resource trading to create a reallocation waste to energy infrastructure to stop reliance on fossil fuel except domestically as much as possible.

    It isn't Zionism, it's corporatism.

  • @Curas1

    Socialists are against foreign aid & industry cartels like the oil cartel.

    Fascists & Nationalists are for deregulated multinational cartels monopolizing industries yet pretending to fairly compete with mom & pop competitors.

    Socialism advocates fair competition between private businesses so even if a few big businesses rise as more successful than others, they dont monopolize, as cartels & suffocate competitors.

    what does Zionism have to do with anything i said? lol

  • @VampiressOnDaProwlq

    You said 'decentralized banking out of "Jew Socialist hands" ' and I've tried to explain to white nationalist (you make a HeyRuka video and they will come) was that it's not Zionism but internationalism thats the problem, like the centralist bank in the Zeitgeist movie.

    I'm also completely against foreign lobbies (or any lobbies and special interest groups for that matter) so it's not a ZOG a Zion Occupied Government it's a COG a Corporatist Oligarch Globalization.

  • @VampiressOnDaProwlq

    ' they support manufacturing like Socialists but that's not Protectionism, that's just wanting national Industry.'

    Yeah ok, that is worth checking out...I mean I know what I believe I'm just looking for the right label for it and if your right , that ain't it.

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  • @VampiressOnDaProwlq

    I'm saying if you're right and economic nationalism is just centralised state owned companies without any protectionism, labor rights and other benefits of progressive economics like social security or even cheap vehicles like the VW bug 'da peoples car' then what good is it.

    It still cracks me up though that herbie was a Nazi lol! 

  • @Curas1

    Fascism is a weak Govt dominated by big business, filling the power vacuum of a weakened legislature, a privatized Govt, used as just another tool of Capitalism.

    Govt Inc. Capitalist Govt (Fascism)

    Govt structured as a business, with CEO as dictator, instead of democratic Govt.

    Govt with a business budget and Debt, instead of a Deficit for citizens.

    in a company, employees have no rights, cant criticize the CEO or else get fired.

    a company is a private dictatorship,

  • @Curas1

    what is "economic Nationalism"?

  • @VampiressOnDaProwlq

    I thought it was the same thing as economic progressive views or non revolutionary marxism, in any case some left of center egalitarian view on work, health and enviorment, but that it ended at the borders of a nation so it would have diffrent priorities when it came to those diffrences.

    Things like immigration, foreign aid, international humanitarian orginizations and all that.

    It sounds cruel but America because of its energy use is the wal-mart of the world.

  • @Curas1 I've said this before and peopl don't get it, but everything is ran off oil. It's ran off oil because thats the cheapest source of energy there is and so we make vehicles of war to secure the oil (or other will) that costs oil and causes climate change that makes for disasters here and abroad that we send aid to from other places that ship and make these things using cheap oil to help people that all that extra use of oil caused to make the problem in the first place

    thats nonsense

  • @VampiressOnDaProwlq When a Nation decided to be economically independent from the rest of the world. I think.

  • @AnnikaGarratt

    economically independent in what way? i'm anti-Free Trade. anti-Globalist. against multinational Capitalism.

  • @VampiressOnDaProwlq As far as I understand, in the sense of being self-sustainable, not needing to import or export any goods.

  • @AnnikaGarratt

    that's a fantasy because all societies and industries are interconnected. dependent on imports because they cant make all goods & services they need. they have to import what they cant make.

    the most beneficial way for a country to control imports & exports is by high tariffs on imports and high taxes & penalties on businesses that dont hire workers locally but hire cheap labor overseas to be greedy and not pay reasonable wages.

    talk to LouieArrighi.

    it is called Protectionism.

  • I would never had guessed that the creator of the pledge of alegence was a socalist.

  • @Curas1

    Nazis were violently anti-Left ...a traditional German cultural resurgence, a Capitalist populist backlash against all things Socialist

    ...Nazis were protectors of the Rich, Class Privilege, private property "rights", Inheritance wealth, wealth consolidation, Aristocracy, Feudalism.

    aggressive advocates for ...class inequality, economic hierarchy, traditional Conservative family values, "personal responsibility" & individual superiority "liberty" in capitalist competition.

  • @VampiressOnDaProwlq

    Ok I'll bite, how were these economic socialist capitalist ?

    have you even read the 25 pt solutions ?

    come on drucilla, don't quit on my now just when it's getting good hehaaheha

  • yah the Pledge of Allegiance was published by a Socialist.

    a Socialist creation ; )

    the interesting fun fact how it's a Socialist creation, used to be on Socialist fliers almost 100 yrs ago and talked of at the worldwide Socialist gathering, the Second Internationale ; D

  • It's the socialist who didn't have under God in the pledge, which was added later.

  • As always thank you for the wonderful info abby wabby :D But i will say this, just as TJ aka TAA said, so many conservatives will twist, and pervert this story into their own stupidity.

  • Well now... the stuff you can discover just by researching. LOL

  • I think that would make a lot of heads explode if they said that on fox.

  • Americans irrationally think the Pledge is sacred. Erik Larson writes in his "The Devil in the White City" the pledge was written for school children to recite at the same time all over the United States as a symbol of unity commemorating opening the Chicago Worlds Fair of 1893. One of the earliest recitations was at the Fair's dedication ceremony on Oct 21, 1892, six months prior to the opening.  Silly thing -- risen to foolish emotional grandeur. Like "Dixie" in the South. You look happy.

  • Jesus was a socialist.

  • @Curas1 Yes, very true. I always did find it weird that we used to salute like that. I also find it strange that we still say such a pledge.....

  • @abbynormal0ne

    I actually like the oreginal and intresting fact I just read. (from wikipedia)

    As a socialist, he had initially also considered using the words equality and fraternity[6] but decided against it - knowing that the state superintendents of education on his committee were against equality for women and African Americans.[8]

    .........

    Funny how political sensitivities change over time, because you know all that patriotic stuff is just rightwing fascism n all ...

  • @Curas1 You fascist! ;)

    I agree :)

  • @abbynormal0ne

    Pick your egalitarianism, there's no shortage of cool aid cups around here lol!

    :P

  • Fox News response to F J Bellamy being a socialist: "... not a real Christian!."

    Fox News response to Jesus being a socialist: ?

  • @Pineverends I agree.

  • The pledge of allegiance is a prayer, so it doesn't surprise me at all that it was written by a christian.

  • @PluralOfEverything The original pledge didn't mention God.

  • @PluralOfEverything The original pledge is "I pledge allegiance to my flag and the republic for which it stands one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

  • @abbynormal0ne I know the original pledge. I have a video of Porky Pig reading it in my favorites. I didn't say it's a christian prayer. It's an american prayer. People in this country are taught to worship the flag and submit to the authority of a higher power (the government). The pledge is chanted in public schools all over the country just like prayers in church.

  • @PluralOfEverything I understand that. I think it's kind of weird that people chant such a thing at a school too. It's like we worship the flag for sure.

  • I think Eisenhower should be penalized in some way by kowtowing to the Knights of Columbus with their agenda of getting "under God" installed into our pledge of allegiance on June 14, 1954. Damn Catholics.

  • @Eldrave20 I don't think he should be penalised, but I don't think people should get so bent out of shape about the possibility of removing it.

  • apparently rich people have an even less chance of getting into heaven than the chances of a camel passing through the eye of a needle.

  • @Texemosis Yes, very true ;)

  • Yay! Silly and informative!

    I have a watch on the song... we shall see...

  • @firefly4f4 I plan to do a sillier one...maybe, hahaha.

  • I think I'm a socialist

  • @ekhaat No shame in that :)

  • Christian socialiist lol. You would think that Fox "news" would be all over that lol

  • @Jimb0can You'd think so, but Fox likes to ignore the entire Christian left, sooooooo, yeah.

  • I'm interested to hear about your views on US new candidates for presidency. I was totally hated on when I started to do my political videos....but eh, I'm going to try it again. Still would like to hear your views :)

  • @ThinkMinding I'm hesitant to do political videos. My friends are MUCH better at politics, and I'll just end up sounding a fool, haha.

  • @abbynormal0ne lol, I understand. My friends are better at politics too. I have fun having a wack at the new candidates though. After all, I am voting....lol glad your honest though :-P

  • Very interesting. I'm going to have to remember this.

    As for the ebay auction, 10 bids so far! Not too shabby, Abby. Btw, 2 questions: How many costume changes would we get with the video and do you own chaps? :P

  • @PJsCreed No chaps, but we'll see how much I can work with around the house :P

  • @abbynormal0ne Oh god Abby girl i love ya. And no, hell will freeze over before fixed noise talks about this. But thank you for bringing it to my attention :D

  • @whedonfreak976 True, they might actually have to talk about something worth while.

  • You did a better job at that then me as a Canadian who lives with French speaking individuals. In Canada where the second official language is French.

  • @GodlessManitoban I used to be fairly fluent in French, but I haven't spoken it for a long time. I was more wondering how it was spelled rather than pronounced. I'm good with pronunciation. I should refrain from trying to rely on memory when I really don't remember much lately, ha.

  • @abbynormal0ne

    You should try and get back into French. It comes in handy for jobs and other things.

    It's okay you still did good <3

  • Do you know who else was a Christian Socialist? Martin Luther King, Jr. How about that, Fox News?

  • @Afriboy10 Yes, I know. I don't think Fox News would talk much about that, ha.

  • Not surprised.

    Jesus was a socialist.

  • @nishbrown damn hippie :P

  • @PJsCreed

    LOL

  • @PJsCreed Woo! Hippy!

  • @nishbrown Yup, he was.

  • Yes I did know that the author was an 'eeeewvil Christian Socialist' and that 'under God' was not added until the 1950s during the Cold War. Believe it or not there is still a 'Christian Left', they're just not loud and screechy like Christians on the right, so people tend not to notice them. :)

  • @HeavyTrafficAhead I know there's a Christian Left. I subscribe to their Facebook page and Twitter feed. I just thought it might be an interesting thing to point out and see what people had to say :)

  • @abbynormal0ne Well you got one up on me. I didn't know they had a facebook page. :)

  • What if I wanted you to sing 'Straight outta Compton' by NWA? :P

  • @StanMarsh1 Then I'd have to start learning the lyrics.

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