Bowlingballout: he is very good at dissuading belief in God. I, however, am already a believer. Notice that one of his fans is called "Theocratick" something, with even a k like Crowley in "magick." These guys are snakes trying to destroy faith and bend Christianity into the Dominion movement. God so loved the _world_. They just don't deal with that without lyingly saying "every lexicon" will tell you that means only the saved. Morey and his ilk do not believe in Jesus; they believe in Dominion.
I believe these hard-boiled resurgence of Calvinism guys are deliberate enemies of God, trying to distort the Word of God so that no one can hear the voice of God. Sola scriptura does not mean without the Spirit of God, but it does mean without reference to Pope, Calvin or the Synod of Dort. These are snakes; beware.
this extremism breaks my heart. calvinism to me is like a extreme rejection of the self and a hate of the self to the point where it actually becomes selfish. i dont know if it makes sense to any of you but im just saying there are limits. pride breaks through as we can see in this video. these calvinists/apolgetic extremists tend to forget the key words in the verse that they so love. 1 Peter 3:15 basically to be prepared to defend the faith. But do this with GENTLENESS and RESPECT. sigh
Thing is, and Im not being rude here, your just talking about Christianity rather than the concept of god itself. For example there are agnostics which say no religion is right but their is god which hasn't revealed himself.
Jesus said that if don't 'hate' your wife, kids, brother etc you can't be his disciple.
But its not talking about hatred in the commonly used sense but about putting someone before someone else.
Loving Jesus 1st enables you to love your kids, wife etc more! Jesus makes this possible by loving you so that you can't help but love Him and this then leads to an indewlling of the Holy Spirit who enables you to begin to love as He does.
funny video, i have not seen or heard the guest before, but i am sure that God Does love all humanity, but we choose to go against him, therefore he hates us, he does show his love for us by calling some... God is Good and fundamentally loving. the guy is a bit negative tho, and i'm not sure i can back up my point with scripture, But 'it feels right' x
I 'happened' to see the video with Dr Morey last week, so can see how you've put this together.
The sad thing is he really believes it, as do all those hard or gentle Calvinists. It is a deception that is not just a mental exercise, hence the hold it has on them all.
One of my regular attempts at helping them to see something is awry is by saying their tradition began in the 5th century.
I attempt this with Galatians 6:1 in mind, so for me sarcasm is not an option.
"I attempt this with Galatians 6:1 in mind, so for me sarcasm is not an option." - gtg
Hey Jacques, I am amazed that the message that Morey delivers can be done with such arrogance. And, this is not uncommon for calvinists.
I'm probably bordering on an ad hominem in this video, but aren't christians supposed to emulate christ? Is this how they perceive christ to be? Is this really the gospel to them?
"aren't christians supposed to emulate christ? Is this how they perceive christ to be? Is this really the gospel to them?"
If someone wants to follow Jesus, sure they ought to practise what he taught.
However deception has some thinking that the way Jesus said tough things = the way they should treat those who disagree. And make no attempt - because of deception - at appreciating the other person's position to build a better bridge to the truth when one is needed.
In the bible, God grieves the death of the wicked. Ezekiel 18:32
That is a clear indication that GOD loves the sinner, but hates the sin AND it is the sinner who can turn AND that God in his self-control releases them to their love of sin (darkness) more than the light.
Just as Jesus told his disciples to hate their wives (Luke 14:26) in contrast to the love they should have for Him, so in Malachi we find the same Greek word in the LXX as in the N.T. but in a context that refers to the 2 nations from Jacob and Esau:
"word to...Israel...Jacob I have loved; but Esau I have hated, and laid waste his mountains and laid waste his heritage...Edom" Malachi 1:1-4
Regardless of how anyone wants to interpret this word "hated" (by the way you completely avoided my question, it's a yes or no) , you have to acknowledge God chose one nation for divine blessing and protection, and the other He left to judgment.
Yes, God hated Esau in comparison to his love for Jacob.
That is the deal in regards to the nations.
But, this is a world apart from how God feels and acts in regards to salvation.
Paul's Romans 9 deals with 2 subjects. The main one of salvation and how this is with the Jews and Gentiles. The 2nd is how God deals with people in His purposes in the nations as part of an illustration.
The division between the 2 subjects can be seen in Verse 7 where He says "Nor also".
"The 2nd is how God deals with people in His purposes in the nations as part of an illustration."
The point of Romans 9 is God has the choice in who will be His people. Rom.9:11 can get anymore clear. If God did this with Israel, there is no reason He wouldn't or couldn't do it with everyone else.
If the text of Romans 9 were saying 'God has the choice in who will be His people' in the way you allude to, I would definitely believe it.
R9:11 is about someone having been called to make up a nation
We are not all called to make up nations therefore God "wouldn't or couldn't do it with everyone else': it makes no sense to make everyone into a nation because the moment you had a child and all your children would be made into nations too and thereby you would not!
With all do respects, you make absolutely no sense. Point is God chose Israel over Edom when they had not done anything good or bad, so that HIS choice would stand. When it comes to salvation there really is no need to debate, I know how I was saved, and it didn't involve anything I did out of my own merit, you seem to think you choose God. You are also refusing to look at how God is explaining His mercy (Verse 16). I refuse to give myself credit for God's sovereign choice.
The illustration God uses in Rom9 has one purpose only. To point to the calling of God as the means by which things are done
The rest of the illustration as it deals with the making of a nation and not salvation is not transferable information
God's mercy is also in a context overlooked by Calvinists. Paul did not just quote Moses, but introduced it by saying God "said to Moses" and unless U read it in that context U misuse it
I've seen your videos, guy. They are very misleading. I am sure the one you are speaking about is no different.
You can keep saying Romans 9 is in context of God making a nation until you are blue in the face. That doesn't excuse God's sovereign CHOICE over a people. You are dancing around the fact God chose Israel to be His people.
If you think my videos are misleading you are free to comment on them and demonstrate this.
I do not say that Romans 9 itself is in a context of God making a nation. Paul is saying 2 things in Romans 9 since he is explicit in using the word "NOR" in V.7.
the previous thing is about salvaiton, 'NOR' introduces another thing: the nations chosen by God, yes from particular individuals, but - since this is another subject - is not salvation
It is explicit that God chose Jacob to be Israel: God's chosen people.
It is also explicit that only the circumcised in heart in Israel will be saved.
Paul also said 'not all Israel are of Israel' Rom.9:6 which is a further demonstration that God choosing Jacob is not about salvation as V.6 is about that. Which is why Paul began verse 7 with the word "NOR". Another topic: the nations.
This is where you "free will" thinking and self righteous people have it wrong. You think you gain a heart of flesh by your own doing. But again holy scripture says other wise. Stop trying to take credit for what the Lord has done in His people.
"You think you gain a heart of flesh by your own doing. But again holy scripture says other wise. Stop trying to take credit for what the Lord has done in His people.
This is part of a prophecy of what God will do AFTER He has already removed many wicked from the midst. It is for the time of Jesus' return when He shall be theirGod and they sahll be His people (V.20) as for any wicked remaining read V.21
"This is part of a prophecy of what God will do AFTER He has already removed many wicked from the midst. It is for the time of Jesus' return when He shall be theirGod and...
Lol, interpret how ever you want? It is all God's doing, start in v14. But you know what, believe how you want, guy. If you honestly feel you gained your salvation by your works there really is nothing anyone can say to help YOU see the truth, that is getting beyond obvious. But anyway, I hope you see the truth someday.
9Not as a result of WORKS, so that NO ONE may BOAST.10For we are HIS workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which GOD PREPARED BEFOREHAND so that we would walk in them. (Eph 9-10)
How much clearer does holy scripture have to get, guy? Faith wasn't your choice it was God's, I know that may be hard for a self righteous person to swallow, but put down the pride and accept God's word for what it says.
Please give an example of God's self-control in the bible Brandon.
Thank you for quoting Eph.2:8 which shows that salvation is a gift. How it is obtained - through faith - is not the gift showing and is the means to receiving that free gift.
Faith is a choice by the use of the universal ability of all those created in God's image: also free
Hi raggedy80, I've watched "faith is a gift" vid It is incorrect in part and true in part. The overall theme is wrong TOUTO has many uses Here it is NOT a demonstrative pronoun but a conjunction It is joined with KAI-TOUTO to mean ESPECIALLY, AND INDEED It rea-ffirms that by grace there is salvation Other E.G.s Rom.13:11, 1 Cor.6:6
Here it is NOT a demonstrative pronoun but a conjunction"
You truly are a prideful man, Guy. Your longing to defend your decisions saddens me, if it is indeed true you believe in Jesus Christ. Like I said before not only do I look to scripture to defend the Doctrines of Grace but I look at how God saved me, He truly gave faith to me as a gift, it was not my doing.
If you have access to Thayer's Lexicon page 467 you would find the 3rd use for TOUTO (singular neuter) is exactly as I mention it and the 3 examples given are:
Guy, you have absolutely no understanding of how Salvation works and in my eyes you have absolutely no credibility. I will never again believe the way you do, to think I was just as prideful and self righteous as you at one time, talking to you only gives me more Joy and thankfulness for God's saving grace.
Instead of replying with sound Scripture or argument you have decided to attack the messenger by saying "I was just as prideful and self righteous as you at one time"
Whilst you do not know me or my prime motive to know the truth above all.
Have you not read,
"with [the tongue] we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the similitude of God"
I have given you enough Scripture and so have hundreds of years of awesome men of God. Like Satan you have twisted and perverted Scripture, to fit your self righteous theology. If it wasn't for your overwhelmingly obvious pride, I would be speaking to you as a brother and out of respect. But I am quite convinced from your video's and our discussions we believe in two separate gospels. You quoting Scripture out of context is not impressive.
Hi raggedy80, Truth is that Calvinists have always quoted texts out of context: e.g. Look at Romans 9 Verse 6 "not all Israel are of Israel" is about salvation out of the midst of Israel: about that Calvis are correct THEN V.7 Nor = and also not this V.6 says it is not that the word of God has taken no effect and then the salvation part THEN we see NOR which points to another issue, another subject introduced which is also in the Word of God But, no Calvis can only see the 1!
You are like a broken record repeating the same thing over and over. You have been shown the other view but of course Scripture doesn't matter to you. In your view of God, He is not all knowing, His sacrifice on the Cross secured NO ONE and man's will is the final determiner for Salvation. That is not my God or the God of the Bible.
If all are secured and justified there is no reason for anyone to believe then. Here again you are making man's choice the final determiner of Salvation, my God secured me. not my choice.
"But only those who believe (a choice) benefit Rom.5:19"
I agree, we have to believe but it was God's choice who would believe. That is what you fail to understand, GTG...
Act 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained (to assign (appoint) a thing to one) to eternal life believed.
Solo Scriptura= John 6:65; Eph 1:4; Col 3:12; 2Th 2:13, Eph 2:8-10. I could keep going.
Hi GTG, It really doesn't matter if you or I agree with what Acts 13:48 says or what your say in your videos. You CAN NOT interpret Acts 13:48 any other way. This one verse has changed the hearts and minds of many to accept the views of the Doctrines of Grace, it is to bad you would attempted hermeneutic gymnastics to hold on to such a non-biblical view.
"As many as THEY were DECIDED to life eternal Acts 13:48"
This is a straight up LIE. Read the verse again without you preconceived non-biblical views. This shows me you don't want to see the truth. You just attempted hermeneutic gymnastics and you have failed miserably, truth always prevail from Scripture.
Brandon, I challenge you to look up the Septuagint and read for yourself the meaning of TASSÓ and while you're there also EKLEKTOS. Check up all the references I refer to and you will see that this version of the bible of the 1st Christians which Jesus and the apostle quoted from reads as I said.
Ask your local library to get a copy with an English translation alongside. I dare you.
I have several times, GTG. Which is why I am done speaking with you. You have made your choice the final determiner of salvation, and that gospel is not in Scripture. Anything added or subtracted is of Satan and you have done both. Take care.
Hi raggedy80, You are in dillusion if you think I have lied and you have shown this is so. If your mother was heard saying "Go clean your room! For why will you live in a pig sty?!" Do you think anyone hearing would be in any doubt that you were able to clean your room and and that it needed cleaning? That it was really up to you to make the next step? Of course they would not doubt that! But you deny the very same thing in the Scripture Ezekiel 18:31-31 et al
"...it was really up to you to make the next step?"
There you go again, putting salvation in hands of man. Salvation is of the Lord not our choice. I have given you far more scripture supporting the doctrines of grace , and you have twisted them to fit your demonic view of, god is NOT all knowing, man isn't that bad, man has the ability to save himself and man can be saved one min and "unsaved" the next. Heresy! Take your gospel to the self righteous, and leave it there, I want no part in it.
Brandon, what will you say to the Lord when he says to you
"I sent you my servant and he challenged you to look at the very scripture I read on earth - the Septuagint - to see that EKLEKTOS is NOT 'elect' or 'chosen': why did you not look at this as my servant challenged you?"
You are a fool, GTG. What makes you think you can overthrow thousands of years of biblical and Church history? Plus you think I can deny the way I was saved? I know my life was/is changed by the Spirit of God and nothing else, that includes a self righteous decision from a dead spirit. So, get thee behind me Satan, I refuse to believe it was my choice that saved me.
The reality is that you think you know Church history, but you refuse to look and see for yourself that before Augi there was no teaching of unconditional election in the Church. So, who is the fool?
3 times the bible tells us names can be blotted out of the Book of Life: Exo.32:33, Ps69:28, Rev.3:5 and you refuse to see that even 1 can be blotted out (you believe all written will stay written)
You do err. Repent of this delusion the enemy has you tied to (1 Tim.4:1)
The BIBLE teaches Predestination if you like it or not, the book you wrote was a waste of time and paper, you are deceived and a deceiver, good bye, GTG. Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
Again, you have perverted holy Scripture to fit your stumbling block doctrine. He was talking to the elect in Ephesians, you are of the Devil, J.M. Repent.
Since Exodus 32:33 tells us of the possibility for names to be removed from the Book of Life, as does Psalm 69:28 and Rev.3:5 and this is Scripture, if you truly believe in Sola Scriptura, then why do you still hold to God having a fixed number of people in mind to save?
Why indeed do you also hold to him knowing from the beginning all that will be?
Do you not realise only 1 name blotted out disqualifies Calvinism as truth?
"I get that is what Calvis believe, but it is not in the bible: u have NOT demonstrated it"-GTG
I hope these help.
Phl 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
John 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
1John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him...
2Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have RECEIVED a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:
If you want to read Calvinism in the bible not even God can hinder you because He has self-control which even that calvis deny.
Do you really think it impossible that the founder of the calvi doctrine in his 25 year correspondence with Jerome had nothing to say to slant the translation of the Vulgate?
Look at any Greek interlinear and tell me the grammtical justification for adding "His" in Romans 8:28 and 11:22
GTG, this whole conversation we have been having, you have made God look more like man and man more like gods. Your gospel is of Satan and Scripture speaks of men like you.
Actually, I don't understand why there would be Calvinist preachers. If they truly believed that God created everyone, either loving them or hating them before they were born, thereby fixing their destiny, then there is no need to convert anyone to their way of thinking. It wouldn't matter. Why do they bother? What does it matter to Dr. Morey if people stare the truth in the eye?
And according to them there is no merit in merit. So why be good?
This is a good point, and the reason why I believe so many calvinists are just plain pricks. They are arrogant and self-righteous; they have no characteristics of what jesus taught in the sermon on the mount.
Yeah, I've noticed self-righteousness a consistent character trait across Calvinism. I'm not sure if they are the way they are because they don't think they have to be good. Maybe this is the case, but I think it might also be the idea that one knows one is elect by seeing oneself improve as a loving Christian. Emulating their God's messed up ideas of love and justice probably has something to do with it. How could one have compassion for another if God doesn't even consider them worthy?
Hay as long as Christianizers likse to copy and paste ,I think I'd like to try that! lets see.... c-o-p-y a-n-d p-a-s-t-e Great editing and parody. I loved it as usual. Your great detective work in deciphering the bible and its believers "again" from the deep personal background you have in it! I would go so far as to say Dr. Morey looks more like a female impersonator i used to know. Very similar.....! Wow it worked !
Here's a copy and paste quote for you to figure out accordingly; who quoted this paradox?
"Sensitive but get annoyed when people mistake kindness for weakness.The perpetual conflict between science and religion has me puzzled and the pieces still don't fit."
Tony, You can't read the irony here can you? But you're not willing to come to the table of open discussion why else do you think Steve keeps making these videos in mocking the abhorrent followers of a hypocritical religion!
Great editing and parody. I loved it as usual. Your great detective work in deciphering the bible and its believers "again" from the deep personal background you have in it! I would go so far as to say Dr. Morey looks more like a female impersonator i used to know. Very similar.....!
I know the vultures will circle me for this comment Steve...but this video cracked me up! I have seen that video that you gleened from to make this one. I do not agree with Mr Morey's views. The Holy Scriptures are clear. Jesus died for all once and for all. Those refusing Jesus are condemned already...this does not mean he "hates" them. God wills that NONE perish. Salvation is offered to all willing to accept Jesus as Saviour and LORD. God Bless You. vc 151r28
You say there is nothing wrong in questioning may I ask you a couple of questions?
Do you love The One that created you?
Notice carefully I'm not putting The Qualifier of The One on the backs of Any Religion for I myself advocate NO RELIGION.
Remember RELIGION is just emotionalism wrapped up in the veneer of biases that people package themselves into according to they're abilities to agree with one another nothing more.
So... Do you deny The One that created you cause of emotions?
"I assume you are talking about a deity and not my parents"..."I don't believe in a deity, so I don't think the question is relevant." - Steve
A deity? You are using 'A Religious Mythos' here by assuming that I define The One as 'a deity'; I don't; so with that in mind; what did my question have to do with your emotions caveating me with "I don't think the question is relevant?"
A deity is an Immortal Being created by The One I asked if you loved not the mythos' of emotionally sinful men.
"Well, maybe we're dealing with semantics here, but in your terminology, I guess I don't believe in"..."The One." - Steve
Well, in your terminology other than You, two boys, a wife and a job what do you believe in Steve that would be more constructive in your videos other than mentioning that people like you were once are crazy?
If you don't believe in things outside your own selfish world views then why are you making fun of others that do?
By just irritating them with these videos you make?
"If you don't believe in things outside your own selfish world views then why are you making fun of others that do?" - Christianizers
I'll ignore the presumptive nature of your questions, and just say...good questions
I grew up in a very religious atmosphere, where it was viewed as bad to question things regarding god. This lead to a very irrational and dysfunctional worldview
My goal is to get people, who were like me, to start asking questions that they might have been afraid to ask before
"I'll ignore the presumptive nature of your questions," - Steve
Presumptive? Steve you're not above A Selfish World View'?
You have a hypocritical way in absolving yourself from any responsibility in what you do in video form here.
Here's your selfish world view; you blog and say in this video that you are interviewing Dr. Robert Morey yet you didn't have the integrity to indicate anywhere that what you have done here is perform a parody cause it didn't conform with the impact you intended.
"Here's your selfish world view; you blog and say in this video that you are interviewing Dr. Robert Morey yet you didn't have the integrity to indicate anywhere that what you have done here is perform a parody cause it didn't conform with the impact you intended." - Christianizers
So, the parody wasn't obvious when you started watching? If I had included a description of "parody," would that have made a difference? If so, I'm happy to include it in the future.
Here's the difference between you and me although christianity has put us both thru the same insanity I never quit being there for YHVH vs. You quit on YHVH blaming it on men...
So you don't believe in YHVH cause this god that They're crazy about can't be as irrational as these people have treated me...
What you failed to realize is that you can't blame YHVH for the freewill that HE gave to You and Them regardless of how much you resent the blindness and abuse of religious theology.
"Here's the difference between you and me although christianity has put us both thru the same insanity I never quit being there for YHVH vs. You quit on YHVH blaming it on men.
" - Christianizers
What do you base your understanding of YHVH on? Religious books?
"I grew up in a very religious atmosphere, where it was viewed as bad to question things regarding god. This lead to a very irrational and dysfunctional worldview"..."My goal is to get people, who were like me, to start asking questions that they might have been afraid to ask before"... - Steve
So... Now it's bad for anyone that does believe in god for you to not inflict on them what your parents did to you and you don't see your hypocrisy in deciding that your the one that's irrational here!
"So... Now it's bad for anyone that does believe in god for you to not inflict on them what your parents did to you and you don't see your hypocrisy in deciding that your the one that's irrational here!" - Christianizers
I really wish I could understand what you're trying to say here, but I can't. Will you please restate?
"I really wish I could understand what you're trying to say here, but I can't. Will you please restate?" - Steve
YHVH DID NOT ordain christianity nor christians; man has done all that 'in the name' of religion using YHVH as a scapegoat so you have become a victim to its insanity thus you lash out at both man and YHVH.
"Strong statement...please demonstrate." - Steve
You're only making videos to get back at YHVH and religious people for what you've decided is hypocrisy and don't see your hate!
"You're only making videos to get back at YHVH and religious people for what you've decided is hypocrisy and don't see your hate! " - Christianizers
I understand how you could think that, but that is not my intent. In fact, you and I have some common intent. We both want to help people free their minds. I want people to start thinking for themselves instead of being told what to think, and I believe you want the same.
Now, here's where we diverge. You want to point people to YHVH and I don't.
"I understand how you could think that, but that is not my intent. In fact, you and I have some common intent. We both want to help people free their minds. I want people to start thinking for themselves instead of being told what to think, and I believe you want the same." - Steve
Thus you believe your freeing minds vs. conversely YHVH has sent me to free mens hearts.
"Now, here's where we diverge. You want to point people to YHVH and I don't." - Steve
"Thus you believe your freeing minds vs. conversely YHVH has sent me to free mens hearts."
How does one FREE a mans heart? Our hearts are muscles, PUMPS, that regulates and directs BLOOD to the body. Hearts do not have brains, don't think, or function like our MINDS. Steve just wants you to THINK with your OWN mind.....thus, freeing your MIND of all that religious dogma , superstition, that has set up camp in your MIND.
"How does one FREE a mans heart? Our hearts are muscles, PUMPS, that regulates and directs BLOOD to the body. Hearts do not have brains, don't think, or function like our MINDS. Steve just wants you to THINK with your OWN mind.....thus, freeing your MIND of all that religious dogma , superstition, that has set up camp in your MIND." - PaineLover
The mind is useless without 'a heart' that regulates 'the issues' of our lives vs. 'our minds' are dependent upon outside stimuli...
No, you make no sense. "regulates the issues"........you got that backwards. You need to take a course in medical SCIENCE. When the brain is damaged, or shuts down, i.e., brain death, the heart MAY or maynot continue to beat, but the mind is no longer able to FUNCTION in any capacity. The BRAIN....the mind, is where EVERYTHING .....everything is going on that affects everything else. Seriously..... Think about it. Get an education, please.
"No, you make no sense. "regulates the issues"...you got that backwards. You need to take a course in medical SCIENCE. The BRAIN....the mind, is where EVERYTHING...everything is going on that affects everything else. Think about it. Get an education, please" - PaineLover
...The mind [soul] can only process what the heart [spirit] or Will of One's Spirit is in the becoming of understanding One's Soul...
Do you not know that Sciences [of humans] coursed out Religions [of souls] into syncretism'?
Of course,the stipulation here is initially whether you believe in a supernatural being or not , if you don't all your points are mute and dillusional....
"Of course,the stipulation here is initially whether you believe in a supernatural being or not , if you don't all your points are mute and dillusional" - fox
Stipulate as you please but I don't have to have faith in a believing premise as to whether an intellect has responded to my post here or I could be insolent and ignore the fact that you exist; sound familiar?
You atheists, agnostics and secularists are in such denial you'll insult someone online but can't wait in line to watch Superman.
The mind is the "soul"? The heart is a "spirit" ? Oh good grief, you'd be laughed out of medical school. You're talking pure gibberish. You crack me up, seriously.
when you can't convince us with any clear logical presentation of evidence for your assertions, they try to snow us with a mountain of nonsensical , mystical, gibberish. Whatever. It is all imagination, pure imagination. And wishful "thinking"
"The mind is the "soul"? The heart is a "spirit" ? Oh good grief, you'd be laughed out of medical school. You're talking pure gibberish. You crack me up, seriously." - PaineLover
Doctors operate on the construct soul of men and women but when they're patients die the forms were filled out so their spirit's can make peace with the rites they wished performed or not.
Convince? After 63 years you should of known the difference between questioning one's logic vs. you proselytizing by your logic.
"Doctors operate on the construct soul of men and women but when they're "patients die the forms were filled out so their spirit's can make peace with the rites they wished performed or not."
Nonsene. Just more gibberish . FYI: There is a cure for such disease, such insanity. Seek help....now. It's never too late.
"Nonsene. Just more gibberish . FYI: There is a cure for such disease, such insanity. Seek help....now. It's never too late." - PaineLover
Does the one that laughs like a hyena become sane just because they're not willing to shut up or do they enjoy the spectacle of mouthing off to hear herself giggle?
You inquired of me not I of you therefore your information only serves your inability to reason and that is not my responsibility to take care of your unwillingness to process your own vanity!
somewhere and thought it sounded cool or something? Pffft . You funny guy." - PaineLover
Show me in any book what I have quoted here and when you come to the end of your search we'll see who'll be laughing then but of course you'd rather scoff at your own inability to reason cause it's easier to blame someone else for your insolence toward them.
"Pffft." "You funny guy." - PaineLover
Laughter is good if one shares it according to a mutual standard.
Your goal has been achieved with me yet I asked questions of you regarding your approach in these videos that you are mimicking christians with.
So... for the record I'm convinced so much that I've decided like you to make the difference between us clear so I rescinded my subscription and friendship with you cause of your fear of being honest and sincere instead of instilling an open dialogue with integrity as an equal human being...
I can hardly believe that there are people like this in the world! Still, I like them more than the Evangelicals who are trying to GET everybody. At least Robert Morey is contributing to the DECLINE of religion! GO ROBERT!
God loves everyone but he secretly loves me the most.
TheUnbannableTroll 1 month ago
Who is this guy to say that?
marcelobetel 6 months ago
@marcelobetel "Who is this guy to say that?"
A christian. Isn't that the only qualification you need?
crazypills2 6 months ago
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marcelobetel 6 months ago
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@crazypills2 NOPE!
If everyone that proclaims himself "A Christian" were a real one, the world would be a perfect place to live.
I am pretty sure you don't have idea what the word "christian" stands for...
...but, please, don't get me wrong - mostly every one don't have any idea about that, too...
Likewise, most people have no idea what the word "church" simply means.
They think that it's just an old building were some pratice dumb religion stuff...
marcelobetel 6 months ago
Bowlingballout: he is very good at dissuading belief in God. I, however, am already a believer. Notice that one of his fans is called "Theocratick" something, with even a k like Crowley in "magick." These guys are snakes trying to destroy faith and bend Christianity into the Dominion movement. God so loved the _world_. They just don't deal with that without lyingly saying "every lexicon" will tell you that means only the saved. Morey and his ilk do not believe in Jesus; they believe in Dominion.
mcfirefly3 7 months ago
I believe these hard-boiled resurgence of Calvinism guys are deliberate enemies of God, trying to distort the Word of God so that no one can hear the voice of God. Sola scriptura does not mean without the Spirit of God, but it does mean without reference to Pope, Calvin or the Synod of Dort. These are snakes; beware.
mcfirefly3 7 months ago
It is amazing, Dr.. Moorey was displaying biblical love which is honestly telling the truth rather than the unjust, greasy love so common today.
theocratickingdom30 1 year ago
Morey's right on this one.
Sola Scriptura.
Everything else is bunk.
willyrobinson 1 year ago
I Wonder if TheWoodsofJordan took hid advice. Didn't Jordan call himself "the Honest Atheist"?
trident343 1 year ago
This guy is SUCH a prick.
:(.
It actually makes me tear a bit.
He's so utterly pompous and self righteous agh it hurts me inside :(. Physically :(.
Sorry...
TheCarydal 1 year ago
God really does hates fags. If you didn't know
RaYiArN 1 year ago
hey here is a simple solution....if you dont like a video DONT WATCH IT!!!! and I stop watching yours at 2 min
wordwarrior42 1 year ago
He might as well be a member of the westborough church
1984vrs 1 year ago
He looks like Stephen Colbert.
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I remember that guy now. Though I'm not a believer I did listen to his radio show when it was in my area. Scary guy but very entertaining.
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3:50 if a god is a supporter of this guy and his ilk we're in for a heap of trouble. Such a disdainfully hateful chap.
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This guy is very illustrative and helpful in dissuading bible belief.
bowlingballout 2 years ago
the bibel say alot of stuff....its say not to murder, but then its says to kill. its says god loves and it says god hates. ugh. im over religion.
B4mytyme 2 years ago
This Dr. Morey is one goddamned pretentious asshole...
gustjorodedheo 2 years ago
gustjorodedheo,
I'm amazed that so many calvinists love Dr. Morey. I think he's a prick.
crazypills2 2 years ago
@gustjorodedheo Jeeze dude, lol dont swear. Love you
ageshero 10 months ago
@ageshero moral indignation is sometimes a correct emotion to have...
gustjorodedheo 10 months ago
nice one ..... cool vidsssssss
ZotThithmaKarin 2 years ago
Thanks ZotThithmaKarin.
crazypills2 2 years ago
this extremism breaks my heart. calvinism to me is like a extreme rejection of the self and a hate of the self to the point where it actually becomes selfish. i dont know if it makes sense to any of you but im just saying there are limits. pride breaks through as we can see in this video. these calvinists/apolgetic extremists tend to forget the key words in the verse that they so love. 1 Peter 3:15 basically to be prepared to defend the faith. But do this with GENTLENESS and RESPECT. sigh
lilsuwatch 2 years ago
This seems mean spirited.
On both sides.
DURound 2 years ago
Enjoyed this. :)
atomarane 2 years ago
Thanks atomarane.
crazypills2 2 years ago
Never mind I just found it.
DrawingYou 2 years ago
Ha this Dr is spot on. Although predestination may keep him out of heaven too.
DrawingYou 2 years ago
Predestination Vs Free Choice.
Any videos on that subject Crazypills?
DrawingYou 2 years ago
Thing is, and Im not being rude here, your just talking about Christianity rather than the concept of god itself. For example there are agnostics which say no religion is right but their is god which hasn't revealed himself.
emperordeebo 2 years ago
"...your just talking about Christianity rather than the concept of god itself." - emperordeebo
Actually, it's even more specific than that. I'm talking about Dr. Morey and those like him.
crazypills2 2 years ago
I know this is a weird question, but do you hate religious people?
eyadayesh 2 years ago
Not at all eyadayesh. I have many religious friends.
Steve
crazypills2 2 years ago
What a nasty person, unlucky you found him. If you are going to watch a preacher, I recommend Francis Chan.
TheHonestTheist 2 years ago
So..this says that the bible, religion, or any kind of faith in something illogical is for the sheep and logically deprived?
I can bite that.
elocfreidon 2 years ago
Extremely well done. Thank you.
twinnumber3 2 years ago
Thanks twinnumber3.
crazypills2 2 years ago
Mark,
Your god doesn't love everyone, which is one of the reasons I don't believe he exists.
Now a question for you: is Morey an arrogant jerk? If so, then we at least agree on one thing.
crazypills2 2 years ago
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fazelinae 2 years ago
So does God love everybody?
October31st1517 2 years ago
This vile man does not present the gospel.
Jesus said that if don't 'hate' your wife, kids, brother etc you can't be his disciple.
But its not talking about hatred in the commonly used sense but about putting someone before someone else.
Loving Jesus 1st enables you to love your kids, wife etc more! Jesus makes this possible by loving you so that you can't help but love Him and this then leads to an indewlling of the Holy Spirit who enables you to begin to love as He does.
twmapsion 2 years ago
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raggedy80 2 years ago
Dr. Morey tells it like it is. You could learn something from him.
NewDirection4us 2 years ago
"Dr. Morey tells it like it is. You could learn something from him." - NewDirection4us
The only thing I can learn from Dr. Morey is how to be an arrogant jerk. However, that is not my goal in life. Is it yours?
crazypills2 2 years ago
/watch?v=fFH0khjgA0U
TheHonestTheist 2 years ago
"/watch?v=fFH0khjgA0U " - TheHonesTheist
I posted comments on both parts.
crazypills2 2 years ago
funny video, i have not seen or heard the guest before, but i am sure that God Does love all humanity, but we choose to go against him, therefore he hates us, he does show his love for us by calling some... God is Good and fundamentally loving. the guy is a bit negative tho, and i'm not sure i can back up my point with scripture, But 'it feels right' x
Michaelgush 2 years ago
This was funny ^.^
Iced1992 2 years ago
"cluddering up the pews"LOL Cleveland is to close 51 churches! LOL
JimTL1000R 2 years ago
Hi Steve,
I 'happened' to see the video with Dr Morey last week, so can see how you've put this together.
The sad thing is he really believes it, as do all those hard or gentle Calvinists. It is a deception that is not just a mental exercise, hence the hold it has on them all.
One of my regular attempts at helping them to see something is awry is by saying their tradition began in the 5th century.
I attempt this with Galatians 6:1 in mind, so for me sarcasm is not an option.
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
"I attempt this with Galatians 6:1 in mind, so for me sarcasm is not an option." - gtg
Hey Jacques, I am amazed that the message that Morey delivers can be done with such arrogance. And, this is not uncommon for calvinists.
I'm probably bordering on an ad hominem in this video, but aren't christians supposed to emulate christ? Is this how they perceive christ to be? Is this really the gospel to them?
crazypills2 2 years ago
Hi Steve,
You:
"aren't christians supposed to emulate christ? Is this how they perceive christ to be? Is this really the gospel to them?"
If someone wants to follow Jesus, sure they ought to practise what he taught.
However deception has some thinking that the way Jesus said tough things = the way they should treat those who disagree. And make no attempt - because of deception - at appreciating the other person's position to build a better bridge to the truth when one is needed.
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
Hi Steve,
You:
"Is this really the gospel to them?"
For some Calvinists, yes that = the gospel
But it is not.
In the bible, God grieves the death of the wicked. Ezekiel 18:32
That is a clear indication that GOD loves the sinner, but hates the sin AND it is the sinner who can turn AND that God in his self-control releases them to their love of sin (darkness) more than the light.
John 3:19
btw Esau is hated in context of the nation of Edom: that is NOT about salvation
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
"btw Esau is hated in context of the nation of Edom: that is NOT about salvation"
Who is questioning this guy?
But answer this question did God hate Esau?
raggedy80 2 years ago
Hi Brandon (raggedy80),
U:
"But answer this question did God hate Esau?"
Just as Jesus told his disciples to hate their wives (Luke 14:26) in contrast to the love they should have for Him, so in Malachi we find the same Greek word in the LXX as in the N.T. but in a context that refers to the 2 nations from Jacob and Esau:
"word to...Israel...Jacob I have loved; but Esau I have hated, and laid waste his mountains and laid waste his heritage...Edom" Malachi 1:1-4
nations in context
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
Regardless of how anyone wants to interpret this word "hated" (by the way you completely avoided my question, it's a yes or no) , you have to acknowledge God chose one nation for divine blessing and protection, and the other He left to judgment.
raggedy80 2 years ago
Hi raggedy80,
Yes, God hated Esau in comparison to his love for Jacob.
That is the deal in regards to the nations.
But, this is a world apart from how God feels and acts in regards to salvation.
Paul's Romans 9 deals with 2 subjects. The main one of salvation and how this is with the Jews and Gentiles. The 2nd is how God deals with people in His purposes in the nations as part of an illustration.
The division between the 2 subjects can be seen in Verse 7 where He says "Nor also".
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
"The 2nd is how God deals with people in His purposes in the nations as part of an illustration."
The point of Romans 9 is God has the choice in who will be His people. Rom.9:11 can get anymore clear. If God did this with Israel, there is no reason He wouldn't or couldn't do it with everyone else.
raggedy80 2 years ago
Hi Brandon,
If the text of Romans 9 were saying 'God has the choice in who will be His people' in the way you allude to, I would definitely believe it.
R9:11 is about someone having been called to make up a nation
We are not all called to make up nations therefore God "wouldn't or couldn't do it with everyone else': it makes no sense to make everyone into a nation because the moment you had a child and all your children would be made into nations too and thereby you would not!
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
Hi Guy,
With all do respects, you make absolutely no sense. Point is God chose Israel over Edom when they had not done anything good or bad, so that HIS choice would stand. When it comes to salvation there really is no need to debate, I know how I was saved, and it didn't involve anything I did out of my own merit, you seem to think you choose God. You are also refusing to look at how God is explaining His mercy (Verse 16). I refuse to give myself credit for God's sovereign choice.
raggedy80 2 years ago
Chose not choose, sorry.
raggedy80 2 years ago
Hi raggey80,
The illustration God uses in Rom9 has one purpose only. To point to the calling of God as the means by which things are done
The rest of the illustration as it deals with the making of a nation and not salvation is not transferable information
God's mercy is also in a context overlooked by Calvinists. Paul did not just quote Moses, but introduced it by saying God "said to Moses" and unless U read it in that context U misuse it
C my vid
I will have mercy on whom I will..
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
I've seen your videos, guy. They are very misleading. I am sure the one you are speaking about is no different.
You can keep saying Romans 9 is in context of God making a nation until you are blue in the face. That doesn't excuse God's sovereign CHOICE over a people. You are dancing around the fact God chose Israel to be His people.
raggedy80 2 years ago
Hi raggedy80,
I trust you had a good weekend.
If you think my videos are misleading you are free to comment on them and demonstrate this.
I do not say that Romans 9 itself is in a context of God making a nation. Paul is saying 2 things in Romans 9 since he is explicit in using the word "NOR" in V.7.
the previous thing is about salvaiton, 'NOR' introduces another thing: the nations chosen by God, yes from particular individuals, but - since this is another subject - is not salvation
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
Okay Guy, I think we are making progress. So, are you willing to admit?
1) God CHOSE Jacob to be Israel.
2) Israel is God's CHOSEN people.
????
raggedy80 2 years ago
Hi raggedy80,
It is explicit that God chose Jacob to be Israel: God's chosen people.
It is also explicit that only the circumcised in heart in Israel will be saved.
Paul also said 'not all Israel are of Israel' Rom.9:6 which is a further demonstration that God choosing Jacob is not about salvation as V.6 is about that. Which is why Paul began verse 7 with the word "NOR". Another topic: the nations.
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
This is where you "free will" thinking and self righteous people have it wrong. You think you gain a heart of flesh by your own doing. But again holy scripture says other wise. Stop trying to take credit for what the Lord has done in His people.
Ezekiel 11:19-20
raggedy80 2 years ago
Hi raggedy80,
U:
"You think you gain a heart of flesh by your own doing. But again holy scripture says other wise. Stop trying to take credit for what the Lord has done in His people.
Ezekiel 11:19-20"
Talk about reading out of context.
This is part of a prophecy of what God will do AFTER He has already removed many wicked from the midst. It is for the time of Jesus' return when He shall be theirGod and they sahll be His people (V.20) as for any wicked remaining read V.21
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
"This is part of a prophecy of what God will do AFTER He has already removed many wicked from the midst. It is for the time of Jesus' return when He shall be theirGod and...
Lol, interpret how ever you want? It is all God's doing, start in v14. But you know what, believe how you want, guy. If you honestly feel you gained your salvation by your works there really is nothing anyone can say to help YOU see the truth, that is getting beyond obvious. But anyway, I hope you see the truth someday.
raggedy80 2 years ago
Hi raggedy80,
What I want:
To believe the truth that God has revealed about Himself in the bible
And that is that He works with us, not in spite of us. He has self-control as it is part of His fruit (Gal.5::22-23)
But God with self-control is foreign to a dogma not based on sola scriptura where all read has to be interpreted by the glasses of Calvinism
Salvation is not of works, it is the free gift of God given by His grace to all who have faith: and faith is a choice to receive Him
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
"But God with self-control is foreign to a dogma not based on sola scriptura where all read has to be interpreted by the glasses of Calvinism".
Blah blah blah, pure nonsense.
"Salvation is not of works, it is the free gift of God given by His grace to all who have faith: and faith is a choice to receive Him"-Guy
For by grace you have been saved through faith; AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES, IT IS A GIFT OF GOD (Ephesians 2:8)...
raggedy80 2 years ago
9Not as a result of WORKS, so that NO ONE may BOAST.10For we are HIS workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which GOD PREPARED BEFOREHAND so that we would walk in them. (Eph 9-10)
How much clearer does holy scripture have to get, guy? Faith wasn't your choice it was God's, I know that may be hard for a self righteous person to swallow, but put down the pride and accept God's word for what it says.
raggedy80 2 years ago
Hi raggedy80,
U:
" 'But God with self-control...'
Blah blah blah, pure nonsense"
Gal.5:22-23
"the fruit of the Spirit... self-control"
Please give an example of God's self-control in the bible Brandon.
Thank you for quoting Eph.2:8 which shows that salvation is a gift. How it is obtained - through faith - is not the gift showing and is the means to receiving that free gift.
Faith is a choice by the use of the universal ability of all those created in God's image: also free
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
Gal. 5:22-23 This are the godly attitudes that characterize those who belong to Christ. The Spirit produces this fruit and commands it.
"Please give an example of God's self-control in the bible Brandon."
By not sending every person to Hell, when we are all deserving of it. Good enough example?
God only gives His grace, faith and love to His people if not only to His people then no one would be going to hell.
Your butchering of Eph 2 is really sad and you should examine why you believe.
raggedy80 2 years ago
These are not "this are", sorry.
raggedy80 2 years ago
Hi raggedy80.
U:
"Gal. 5:22-23 This are the godly attitudes that characterize those who belong to Christ. The Spirit produces this fruit and commands it"
good, but you seem to then contradict the meaning of self-control for God.
Brandon what is self-control if not to prevent imposing something that you yourself desire to happen?
Please define self-control
Please state directly that it is a fruit of God/facet of fruit in God or not.
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
Also if you want watch this video, GTG and CrazyPills.
Copy Paste: Faith is a Gift! (Jim McClarty)
raggedy80 2 years ago
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
"The overall theme is wrong
TOUTO has many uses
Here it is NOT a demonstrative pronoun but a conjunction"
You truly are a prideful man, Guy. Your longing to defend your decisions saddens me, if it is indeed true you believe in Jesus Christ. Like I said before not only do I look to scripture to defend the Doctrines of Grace but I look at how God saved me, He truly gave faith to me as a gift, it was not my doing.
raggedy80 2 years ago
Hi raggedy80,
If you have access to Thayer's Lexicon page 467 you would find the 3rd use for TOUTO (singular neuter) is exactly as I mention it and the 3 examples given are:
Romans 13:11
1 Corinthians 6:6
EPHESIANS 2:8
If a deceving spirit taught you about receiving saving faith as a gift would you say any different?
Of course not.
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
Guy, you have absolutely no understanding of how Salvation works and in my eyes you have absolutely no credibility. I will never again believe the way you do, to think I was just as prideful and self righteous as you at one time, talking to you only gives me more Joy and thankfulness for God's saving grace.
raggedy80 2 years ago
Hi raggedy80,
Instead of replying with sound Scripture or argument you have decided to attack the messenger by saying "I was just as prideful and self righteous as you at one time"
Whilst you do not know me or my prime motive to know the truth above all.
Have you not read,
"with [the tongue] we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the similitude of God"
James 3:9
?
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
"... you have decided to attack the messenger"
I have given you enough Scripture and so have hundreds of years of awesome men of God. Like Satan you have twisted and perverted Scripture, to fit your self righteous theology. If it wasn't for your overwhelmingly obvious pride, I would be speaking to you as a brother and out of respect. But I am quite convinced from your video's and our discussions we believe in two separate gospels. You quoting Scripture out of context is not impressive.
raggedy80 2 years ago
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
You are like a broken record repeating the same thing over and over. You have been shown the other view but of course Scripture doesn't matter to you. In your view of God, He is not all knowing, His sacrifice on the Cross secured NO ONE and man's will is the final determiner for Salvation. That is not my God or the God of the Bible.
raggedy80 2 years ago
Hi raggedy80,
If the same thing is the truth, it is worth repeating.
I have been shown the other view and responded and demonstrated it is out of context.
"God withdrew from him, in order to test him, that He might know all that was in his heart" 2 Chron.32:31
Come on Brandon, exercise sola scriptura and tell us WHO wants to know?
His sacrifice on the cross secured all Rom.5:18
But only those who believe (a choice) benefit Rom.5:19
This is the God of the bible
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
"2 Thess.2:9-12 where all who did not receive the love of the truth..."
All of us would not receive the love of the truth if it's wasn't for God giving us faith. Why don't you get this, guy?
"His sacrifice on the cross secured all Rom.5:18"
If all are secured and justified there is no reason for anyone to believe then. Here again you are making man's choice the final determiner of Salvation, my God secured me. not my choice.
raggedy80 2 years ago
"But only those who believe (a choice) benefit Rom.5:19"
I agree, we have to believe but it was God's choice who would believe. That is what you fail to understand, GTG...
Act 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained (to assign (appoint) a thing to one) to eternal life believed.
Solo Scriptura= John 6:65; Eph 1:4; Col 3:12; 2Th 2:13, Eph 2:8-10. I could keep going.
raggedy80 2 years ago
Hi raggedy80,
U:
"U fail to understand, GTG"
I understand, but I don't agree
i.e. it is not in the bible
C my vids on those passages
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
"I understand, but I don't agree"
Hi GTG, It really doesn't matter if you or I agree with what Acts 13:48 says or what your say in your videos. You CAN NOT interpret Acts 13:48 any other way. This one verse has changed the hearts and minds of many to accept the views of the Doctrines of Grace, it is to bad you would attempted hermeneutic gymnastics to hold on to such a non-biblical view.
raggedy80 2 years ago
Hi raggedy80,
Acts 13:48 uses the verb TASSÓ
In the LXX we see it used for our "CONSIDER your ways" in Haggai1:10
"SET your heart/MARK well" Ezek.44:5
I RECALL to mind Lam.3:21
If I HAVE MADE gold my hope Job31:24
MAKE you all captains 1Sam.22:7
As many as THEY were DECIDED to life eternal Acts 13:48
It requires a thought NOT in the text to suggest BY GOD = eisegesis
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
"As many as THEY were DECIDED to life eternal Acts 13:48"
This is a straight up LIE. Read the verse again without you preconceived non-biblical views. This shows me you don't want to see the truth. You just attempted hermeneutic gymnastics and you have failed miserably, truth always prevail from Scripture.
raggedy80 2 years ago
Hi raggedy80,
Brandon, I challenge you to look up the Septuagint and read for yourself the meaning of TASSÓ and while you're there also EKLEKTOS. Check up all the references I refer to and you will see that this version of the bible of the 1st Christians which Jesus and the apostle quoted from reads as I said.
Ask your local library to get a copy with an English translation alongside. I dare you.
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
GTG, you are a LIAR and your gospel is of Satan. Repent and believe.
raggedy80 2 years ago
Hi raggedy80,
U:
"GTG, you are a LIAR and your gospel is of Satan."
Brandon, I have challenged you to look up the sources that can verify that your reading of the bible verses is true or false.
Instead, you choose to make accusations and work like Satan whose name is an Accuser.
Would you care to demonstrate and explain where I have made any deliberate false statemetns (lied)?
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
I have several times, GTG. Which is why I am done speaking with you. You have made your choice the final determiner of salvation, and that gospel is not in Scripture. Anything added or subtracted is of Satan and you have done both. Take care.
raggedy80 2 years ago
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
"...it was really up to you to make the next step?"
There you go again, putting salvation in hands of man. Salvation is of the Lord not our choice. I have given you far more scripture supporting the doctrines of grace , and you have twisted them to fit your demonic view of, god is NOT all knowing, man isn't that bad, man has the ability to save himself and man can be saved one min and "unsaved" the next. Heresy! Take your gospel to the self righteous, and leave it there, I want no part in it.
raggedy80 2 years ago
Hi raggedy80,
Brandon, what will you say to the Lord when he says to you
"I sent you my servant and he challenged you to look at the very scripture I read on earth - the Septuagint - to see that EKLEKTOS is NOT 'elect' or 'chosen': why did you not look at this as my servant challenged you?"
What will you say then Brandon?
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
You are a fool, GTG. What makes you think you can overthrow thousands of years of biblical and Church history? Plus you think I can deny the way I was saved? I know my life was/is changed by the Spirit of God and nothing else, that includes a self righteous decision from a dead spirit. So, get thee behind me Satan, I refuse to believe it was my choice that saved me.
raggedy80 2 years ago
Hi raggedy80,
The reality is that you think you know Church history, but you refuse to look and see for yourself that before Augi there was no teaching of unconditional election in the Church. So, who is the fool?
3 times the bible tells us names can be blotted out of the Book of Life: Exo.32:33, Ps69:28, Rev.3:5 and you refuse to see that even 1 can be blotted out (you believe all written will stay written)
You do err. Repent of this delusion the enemy has you tied to (1 Tim.4:1)
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
The BIBLE teaches Predestination if you like it or not, the book you wrote was a waste of time and paper, you are deceived and a deceiver, good bye, GTG. Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
raggedy80 2 years ago
Hi raggedy80,
Of course the bible treaches predestination: conditional predestination. The unconditional kind started with Augi in the 5th century.
Ephesians 1 is full of pronouns to show what is in view: us, we and our
The group is in view Brandon. You choose which group you are in: if you are in Christ you are in the group foreseen and predestined to be.
Moral government and free will were the norm teaching before Augustine. So it is in the bible.
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
Again, you have perverted holy Scripture to fit your stumbling block doctrine. He was talking to the elect in Ephesians, you are of the Devil, J.M. Repent.
raggedy80 2 years ago
Hi raggedy80,
Since Exodus 32:33 tells us of the possibility for names to be removed from the Book of Life, as does Psalm 69:28 and Rev.3:5 and this is Scripture, if you truly believe in Sola Scriptura, then why do you still hold to God having a fixed number of people in mind to save?
Why indeed do you also hold to him knowing from the beginning all that will be?
Do you not realise only 1 name blotted out disqualifies Calvinism as truth?
Go on, repent of this 5th century heresy.
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
Hi, GTG. We are going in circles. We are going to have to, agree to disagree. Take care.
raggedy80 2 years ago
Hi raggedy80,
I agree to disagree about going round in circles.
U have refused to behave like the Bereans "to check if these things are so" Acts 17:11
U R free to believe what U want to believe, but it does not make it the truth
Until U check for yourself the evidence that EKLEKTOS does not mean 'elect' & 'chosen', AND that Augustine began Calvinism, U will not know the truth
cf. videos:
"Quick Answers to Calvinists The Elect"
"Augustine began 'Calvinism' "
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
Good bye, GTG.
raggedy80 2 years ago
Hi raggedy80,
U:
"All of us would not receive the love of the truth if it's wasn't for God giving us faith. Why don't u get this, guy?"
I get that is what Calvis believe, but it is not in the bible: u have NOT demonstrated it
U:
"If all are secured and justified there is no reason for anyone to believe then"
Jesus' blood paid for all, but only those who believe benefit. Faith is a choice. The ability to believe is given to all
God gets the glory all round
God has self-control
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
"I get that is what Calvis believe, but it is not in the bible: u have NOT demonstrated it"-GTG
I hope these help.
Phl 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
John 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
1John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him...
raggedy80 2 years ago
2Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have RECEIVED a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:
Sola Scriptura
raggedy80 2 years ago
Hi raggedy80,
The verb in 2 Peter 1:1 is LAGCHANÓ
It is in Acts 1:17
"he was numbered with us and OBTAINED a part in this ministry"
It is to have got what you have not by implication of a gift, but just that it is there
It is in 2 Peter 1:1 no different to saying
"This letter is to all you who are Christians just as we are"
There is no force of a GIFT or GRANT, but an OUTCOME, a present REALITY
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
"It is in 2 Peter 1:1 no different to saying
"This letter is to all you who are Christians just as we are"
There is no force of a GIFT or GRANT, but an OUTCOME, a present REALITY"
Hermeneutic gymnastics again. Just read the text for what it says GTG that is all you have to do if you want to see the truth.
"Phil1:29 the emphasis is that if you are a believer then it is given you to expect suffering too"
Fail, that's is not what it says. Read it again.
And so on with the other verses.
raggedy80 2 years ago
Hi raggedy80,
If you want to read Calvinism in the bible not even God can hinder you because He has self-control which even that calvis deny.
Do you really think it impossible that the founder of the calvi doctrine in his 25 year correspondence with Jerome had nothing to say to slant the translation of the Vulgate?
Look at any Greek interlinear and tell me the grammtical justification for adding "His" in Romans 8:28 and 11:22
Tell me that, is not a bias towards Calvinism!
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
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GTG, this whole conversation we have been having, you have made God look more like man and man more like gods. Your gospel is of Satan and Scripture speaks of men like you.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
Matthew 7:15
raggedy80 2 years ago
Hi raggedy80,
Phil1:29 the emphasis is that if you are a believer then it is given you to expect suffering too
Jn1:13 tells us how one is born again, but V.12 tells clearly that BEFORE authority to become a child of God occurs you need to RECEIVE Him
NOT when the world began is the authority given!
1Jn5:1 mentions a clear FRUIT of rebirth: believing Jesus is the Christ and loving your brother in Christ
NOTHING here to support calvi
gracetruthguy 2 years ago
LOL
Actually, I don't understand why there would be Calvinist preachers. If they truly believed that God created everyone, either loving them or hating them before they were born, thereby fixing their destiny, then there is no need to convert anyone to their way of thinking. It wouldn't matter. Why do they bother? What does it matter to Dr. Morey if people stare the truth in the eye?
And according to them there is no merit in merit. So why be good?
riversonthemoon 2 years ago
So why be good?" - riversonthemoon
This is a good point, and the reason why I believe so many calvinists are just plain pricks. They are arrogant and self-righteous; they have no characteristics of what jesus taught in the sermon on the mount.
crazypills2 2 years ago
Yeah, I've noticed self-righteousness a consistent character trait across Calvinism. I'm not sure if they are the way they are because they don't think they have to be good. Maybe this is the case, but I think it might also be the idea that one knows one is elect by seeing oneself improve as a loving Christian. Emulating their God's messed up ideas of love and justice probably has something to do with it. How could one have compassion for another if God doesn't even consider them worthy?
riversonthemoon 2 years ago
lol....Funny
But I like your impression of the church lady better.
yo1o2eggs 2 years ago
"But I like your impression of the church lady better." - yo1o2ggs
Thanks yo1o2eegs.
crazypills2 2 years ago
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Hay as long as Christianizers likse to copy and paste ,I think I'd like to try that! lets see.... c-o-p-y a-n-d p-a-s-t-e Great editing and parody. I loved it as usual. Your great detective work in deciphering the bible and its believers "again" from the deep personal background you have in it! I would go so far as to say Dr. Morey looks more like a female impersonator i used to know. Very similar.....! Wow it worked !
foxtrot77777 2 years ago
"Wow it worked ! " - foxtrot77777
LOL.
crazypills2 2 years ago
Tony,
Here's a copy and paste quote for you to figure out accordingly; who quoted this paradox?
"Sensitive but get annoyed when people mistake kindness for weakness.The perpetual conflict between science and religion has me puzzled and the pieces still don't fit."
Tony, You can't read the irony here can you? But you're not willing to come to the table of open discussion why else do you think Steve keeps making these videos in mocking the abhorrent followers of a hypocritical religion!
C...
Christianizers 2 years ago
That Dr Morey reminds me of a goombah in the Mafia:
Hey yo!, Youse like yer your knee caps? It'd be a shame to see them all busted up, eh? So, you bettah believe or else I'm gonna fuck you up.
*sigh* The FEAR game is never ending.
"...but he (God) loves you!"= George Carlin
PaineLover 2 years ago
"...but he (God) loves you!"= George Carlin " - PaineLover
Yes, one of my favorite bits by a master of comedy.
crazypills2 2 years ago
Great editing and parody. I loved it as usual. Your great detective work in deciphering the bible and its believers "again" from the deep personal background you have in it! I would go so far as to say Dr. Morey looks more like a female impersonator i used to know. Very similar.....!
foxtrot77777 2 years ago
"Great editing and parody. I loved it as usual." -
foxtrot77777
Thanks Tony.
crazypills2 2 years ago
I know the vultures will circle me for this comment Steve...but this video cracked me up! I have seen that video that you gleened from to make this one. I do not agree with Mr Morey's views. The Holy Scriptures are clear. Jesus died for all once and for all. Those refusing Jesus are condemned already...this does not mean he "hates" them. God wills that NONE perish. Salvation is offered to all willing to accept Jesus as Saviour and LORD. God Bless You. vc 151r28
InHISWord2 2 years ago
"I know the vultures will circle me for this comment Steve...but this video cracked me up! " - IHW2
No Carol, any vultures will be targeting me :-)
crazypills2 2 years ago
Wow you are right, this guy frankly sounds like a real jerk.
He's a doctor? God, the way he speaks and tries to get his point across... makes me want to gouge my ears out.
Zuul030 2 years ago
"God, the way he speaks and tries to get his point across... makes me want to gouge my ears out. " - Zuul030
How do you think I feel? While making this video, I had to listen to him over and over again....
crazypills2 2 years ago
Steve...
You say there is nothing wrong in questioning may I ask you a couple of questions?
Do you love The One that created you?
Notice carefully I'm not putting The Qualifier of The One on the backs of Any Religion for I myself advocate NO RELIGION.
Remember RELIGION is just emotionalism wrapped up in the veneer of biases that people package themselves into according to they're abilities to agree with one another nothing more.
So... Do you deny The One that created you cause of emotions?
Christianizers 2 years ago
"Do you love The One that created you? - Christianizers
I assume you are talking about a deity and not my parents :-)
I don't believe in a deity, so I don't think the question is relevant.
crazypills2 2 years ago
"I assume you are talking about a deity and not my parents"..."I don't believe in a deity, so I don't think the question is relevant." - Steve
A deity? You are using 'A Religious Mythos' here by assuming that I define The One as 'a deity'; I don't; so with that in mind; what did my question have to do with your emotions caveating me with "I don't think the question is relevant?"
A deity is an Immortal Being created by The One I asked if you loved not the mythos' of emotionally sinful men.
Christianizers 2 years ago
"A deity is an Immortal Being created by The One I asked if you loved not the mythos' of emotionally sinful men. " - Christianizers
Well, maybe we're dealing with semantics here, but in your terminology, I guess I don't believe in "The One."
crazypills2 2 years ago
"Well, maybe we're dealing with semantics here, but in your terminology, I guess I don't believe in"..."The One." - Steve
Well, in your terminology other than You, two boys, a wife and a job what do you believe in Steve that would be more constructive in your videos other than mentioning that people like you were once are crazy?
If you don't believe in things outside your own selfish world views then why are you making fun of others that do?
By just irritating them with these videos you make?
Christianizers 2 years ago
"If you don't believe in things outside your own selfish world views then why are you making fun of others that do?" - Christianizers
I'll ignore the presumptive nature of your questions, and just say...good questions
I grew up in a very religious atmosphere, where it was viewed as bad to question things regarding god. This lead to a very irrational and dysfunctional worldview
My goal is to get people, who were like me, to start asking questions that they might have been afraid to ask before
crazypills2 2 years ago
"I'll ignore the presumptive nature of your questions," - Steve
Presumptive? Steve you're not above A Selfish World View'?
You have a hypocritical way in absolving yourself from any responsibility in what you do in video form here.
Here's your selfish world view; you blog and say in this video that you are interviewing Dr. Robert Morey yet you didn't have the integrity to indicate anywhere that what you have done here is perform a parody cause it didn't conform with the impact you intended.
Christianizers 2 years ago
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Christianizers 2 years ago
"Here's your selfish world view; you blog and say in this video that you are interviewing Dr. Robert Morey yet you didn't have the integrity to indicate anywhere that what you have done here is perform a parody cause it didn't conform with the impact you intended." - Christianizers
So, the parody wasn't obvious when you started watching? If I had included a description of "parody," would that have made a difference? If so, I'm happy to include it in the future.
crazypills2 2 years ago
Steve...
Here's the difference between you and me although christianity has put us both thru the same insanity I never quit being there for YHVH vs. You quit on YHVH blaming it on men...
So you don't believe in YHVH cause this god that They're crazy about can't be as irrational as these people have treated me...
What you failed to realize is that you can't blame YHVH for the freewill that HE gave to You and Them regardless of how much you resent the blindness and abuse of religious theology.
Christianizers 2 years ago
"Here's the difference between you and me although christianity has put us both thru the same insanity I never quit being there for YHVH vs. You quit on YHVH blaming it on men.
" - Christianizers
What do you base your understanding of YHVH on? Religious books?
crazypills2 2 years ago
"I grew up in a very religious atmosphere, where it was viewed as bad to question things regarding god. This lead to a very irrational and dysfunctional worldview"..."My goal is to get people, who were like me, to start asking questions that they might have been afraid to ask before"... - Steve
So... Now it's bad for anyone that does believe in god for you to not inflict on them what your parents did to you and you don't see your hypocrisy in deciding that your the one that's irrational here!
Christianizers 2 years ago
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Christianizers 2 years ago
"So... Now it's bad for anyone that does believe in god for you to not inflict on them what your parents did to you and you don't see your hypocrisy in deciding that your the one that's irrational here!" - Christianizers
I really wish I could understand what you're trying to say here, but I can't. Will you please restate?
crazypills2 2 years ago
"I really wish I could understand what you're trying to say here, but I can't. Will you please restate?" - Steve
YHVH DID NOT ordain christianity nor christians; man has done all that 'in the name' of religion using YHVH as a scapegoat so you have become a victim to its insanity thus you lash out at both man and YHVH.
"Strong statement...please demonstrate." - Steve
You're only making videos to get back at YHVH and religious people for what you've decided is hypocrisy and don't see your hate!
Christianizers 2 years ago
"You're only making videos to get back at YHVH and religious people for what you've decided is hypocrisy and don't see your hate! " - Christianizers
I understand how you could think that, but that is not my intent. In fact, you and I have some common intent. We both want to help people free their minds. I want people to start thinking for themselves instead of being told what to think, and I believe you want the same.
Now, here's where we diverge. You want to point people to YHVH and I don't.
crazypills2 2 years ago
"I understand how you could think that, but that is not my intent. In fact, you and I have some common intent. We both want to help people free their minds. I want people to start thinking for themselves instead of being told what to think, and I believe you want the same." - Steve
Thus you believe your freeing minds vs. conversely YHVH has sent me to free mens hearts.
"Now, here's where we diverge. You want to point people to YHVH and I don't." - Steve
Freedom comes from within not without!
Christianizers 2 years ago
"Thus you believe your freeing minds vs. conversely YHVH has sent me to free mens hearts."
How does one FREE a mans heart? Our hearts are muscles, PUMPS, that regulates and directs BLOOD to the body. Hearts do not have brains, don't think, or function like our MINDS. Steve just wants you to THINK with your OWN mind.....thus, freeing your MIND of all that religious dogma , superstition, that has set up camp in your MIND.
PaineLover 2 years ago
"How does one FREE a mans heart? Our hearts are muscles, PUMPS, that regulates and directs BLOOD to the body. Hearts do not have brains, don't think, or function like our MINDS. Steve just wants you to THINK with your OWN mind.....thus, freeing your MIND of all that religious dogma , superstition, that has set up camp in your MIND." - PaineLover
The mind is useless without 'a heart' that regulates 'the issues' of our lives vs. 'our minds' are dependent upon outside stimuli...
Mind The Heart!
Christianizers 2 years ago
No, you make no sense. "regulates the issues"........you got that backwards. You need to take a course in medical SCIENCE. When the brain is damaged, or shuts down, i.e., brain death, the heart MAY or maynot continue to beat, but the mind is no longer able to FUNCTION in any capacity. The BRAIN....the mind, is where EVERYTHING .....everything is going on that affects everything else. Seriously..... Think about it. Get an education, please.
PaineLover 2 years ago
"No, you make no sense. "regulates the issues"...you got that backwards. You need to take a course in medical SCIENCE. The BRAIN....the mind, is where EVERYTHING...everything is going on that affects everything else. Think about it. Get an education, please" - PaineLover
...The mind [soul] can only process what the heart [spirit] or Will of One's Spirit is in the becoming of understanding One's Soul...
Do you not know that Sciences [of humans] coursed out Religions [of souls] into syncretism'?
Christianizers 2 years ago
Of course,the stipulation here is initially whether you believe in a supernatural being or not , if you don't all your points are mute and dillusional....
foxtrot77777 2 years ago
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foxtrot77777 2 years ago
"Of course,the stipulation here is initially whether you believe in a supernatural being or not , if you don't all your points are mute and dillusional" - fox
Stipulate as you please but I don't have to have faith in a believing premise as to whether an intellect has responded to my post here or I could be insolent and ignore the fact that you exist; sound familiar?
You atheists, agnostics and secularists are in such denial you'll insult someone online but can't wait in line to watch Superman.
Christianizers 2 years ago
The mind is the "soul"? The heart is a "spirit" ? Oh good grief, you'd be laughed out of medical school. You're talking pure gibberish. You crack me up, seriously.
when you can't convince us with any clear logical presentation of evidence for your assertions, they try to snow us with a mountain of nonsensical , mystical, gibberish. Whatever. It is all imagination, pure imagination. And wishful "thinking"
PaineLover 2 years ago
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[The mind is the "soul"? The heart is a "spirit" ? Oh good grief, you'd be laughed out of medical school]<----Well said.
foxtrot77777 2 years ago
"The mind is the "soul"? The heart is a "spirit" ? Oh good grief, you'd be laughed out of medical school. You're talking pure gibberish. You crack me up, seriously." - PaineLover
Doctors operate on the construct soul of men and women but when they're patients die the forms were filled out so their spirit's can make peace with the rites they wished performed or not.
Convince? After 63 years you should of known the difference between questioning one's logic vs. you proselytizing by your logic.
Christianizers 2 years ago
"Doctors operate on the construct soul of men and women but when they're "patients die the forms were filled out so their spirit's can make peace with the rites they wished performed or not."
Nonsene. Just more gibberish . FYI: There is a cure for such disease, such insanity. Seek help....now. It's never too late.
PaineLover 2 years ago
"Nonsene. Just more gibberish . FYI: There is a cure for such disease, such insanity. Seek help....now. It's never too late." - PaineLover
Does the one that laughs like a hyena become sane just because they're not willing to shut up or do they enjoy the spectacle of mouthing off to hear herself giggle?
You inquired of me not I of you therefore your information only serves your inability to reason and that is not my responsibility to take care of your unwillingness to process your own vanity!
Christianizers 2 years ago
"Do you not know that Sciences [of humans] coursed out Religions [of souls] into syncretism'? "
LOL . You read that in an apologist book
somewhere and thought it sounded cool or something? Pffft . You funny guy.
PaineLover 2 years ago
"LOL" . "You read that in an apologist book
somewhere and thought it sounded cool or something? Pffft . You funny guy." - PaineLover
Show me in any book what I have quoted here and when you come to the end of your search we'll see who'll be laughing then but of course you'd rather scoff at your own inability to reason cause it's easier to blame someone else for your insolence toward them.
"Pffft." "You funny guy." - PaineLover
Laughter is good if one shares it according to a mutual standard.
Christianizers 2 years ago
"You have a hypocritical way in absolving yourself from any responsibility in what you do in video form here." - Christianizers
Strong statement...please demonstrate.
crazypills2 2 years ago
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Steve...
Your goal has been achieved with me yet I asked questions of you regarding your approach in these videos that you are mimicking christians with.
So... for the record I'm convinced so much that I've decided like you to make the difference between us clear so I rescinded my subscription and friendship with you cause of your fear of being honest and sincere instead of instilling an open dialogue with integrity as an equal human being...
And to think I believed your rhetoric; see ya'...
Christianizers 2 years ago
I can hardly believe that there are people like this in the world! Still, I like them more than the Evangelicals who are trying to GET everybody. At least Robert Morey is contributing to the DECLINE of religion! GO ROBERT!
zebruh 2 years ago
"At least Robert Morey is contributing to the DECLINE of religion! GO ROBERT! " - zebruh
Good point :-)
crazypills2 2 years ago
I like Morey's phrase "emotional vomiting." Um...not the kind of phrase to use with someone who has just eaten lunch. lol
nonew3 2 years ago
"I like Morey's phrase "emotional vomiting." " - nonew3
Well watching his video almost made me vomit....
crazypills2 2 years ago
I have found PLENTY of jerks like the guy in this video in the churches, and yet the churches aren't empty. Sick, isn't it...
nonew3 2 years ago