@toddsmitts shh moron 11000 is over 9000 even if u didn't know the *meme. ur just a faggot out here trolling every time u get a chance.. shh troll ok? 11000 is over 9000.
Although the idea of Civilians on warships is harsh for us today, in the golden age of sail sailors often had their families on board for the long years of travel. Also remember the Star fleet was orientated for exploration first and defence second, so families on board is in line with its main principle.
@AldanFerrox They didn't really have time. As soon as they realised where the cube was going all available ships in the area would have been orderd to go straight to wolf 359 to engage it. Most of them would have had to divert there course in order to offload civilians at a planet or starbase which would have delayed there arrival at the battle. Remember Starleet did not fully realise at the time that their weapons would be so useless. And even if they did they would still try anyway.
Starfleet wasn't ready for the Borg yet. They didn't know that they could travel from the Delta quadrant so quickly. The fleet they were able to gather quickly was not optimal for a battle with a cube. The bulk of the ships destroyed at Wolf 359 were lighter types as those would have been the ships that were used closer to the homeworlds of the Federation where it was relatively safe. The heavier types would have been in deep space where combat would have been more likely.
This is actually more enjoyable if you imagine the borg ship as a giant bucket of KFC and Locutus as Colonel Sanders. "Now y'all've come for my elleven herbs an' a spices. I say, resistance is a fu-tay-al, boy"
Oddly enough my sole problem with this (aside from synch being off) is that it shows the Borg viewscreen as just being a screen whereas TNG showed that it was also Cube-shaped.
@lou4brew Indeed it was, but sadly the fleet didn't have enough time to dump the excess crew and form the blockade at Wolf 359 given that they where trying to get to the edge of federation space as soon as possible.
Maybe its time we give those anti-matter space mines a shot? There is nothing in this backwater system that they could destroy. It makes more sense then throwing your ships at a bigger ship that you have shown you cannot defeat over and over again.
@OopeeShaba Sisko knew that what happened at Wolf 359 wasn't Picard's fault, but he was still grieving over the loss of his beloved wife at the hands of the Borg. Don't be so hard on Sisko. He couldn't help the way he felt at the time. It takes time & sometimes some help for people to work through their grief.
@quantum460 he lookd Romulan 2 me O_o. which is very incredible 2 me concidering the current Romulan Federation stigma at this point and time. Vulcans are common in Star Fleet during this era... But Romulan? Im not sure if the Federation is that open minded to allow a Romulan into their ranks at this point and time concidering the very recent history of the 2. Still though.... He lookd very Romulan 2 me, I must look more in depth into Star Fleet stigma and military doctrineofthetimeperiod
Battle of Wolf 395 was an unprecendented disaster for the U.F.P, namely because 39 out of 40 ships were destroyed with the damn Borg cube emerging without a scratch!
It's funny the things you notice when you go back and watch some of these great moments. "Red alert"!!?? What kind of condition was the ship on just prior to Picard's ultimatum? They went in on ordinary cruising status, maybe? Plus, yeah: civilians to the lifeboats, THEN we go fight the Borg. No wonder the Borg caught the Feds with their pants down...
@thegamerman7 At least this battle plus the Dominion War did Starfleet some good. They started building decent starships instead of using the obsolete stuff. Why they would use an Oberth class ship in any battle is beyond me. That class is about, what, 80 years old more or less with no effective weaponry? I think the Miranda class is about 40 years old. Starfleet seriously needs to update & upgrade their fleet every 10 years or so. Scrap the old & build the new.
@Lizfan2 Ya seriously the Oberth is a science ship. They dont even carry photon torpeados and the yhave minimal phasers. They basicly went on a suicide run.
@thegamerman7 The Oberth class doesn't carry photon torpedos? Seriously? Cripes they're more useless than I thought. I thought every class of Starship had photon torpedos. Whose idiot idea was it to put an Oberth in this battle? Idiots. They should at least have had it empty of people & remote controlled it somehow. That way they waste a perfectly bad ship without wasting a perfectly good crew.
@Lizfan2 It even sucks for a science ship. Compared to a Nebula class ship the Oberth sucks balls. They shoud have all been scrapped by now and used as spare parts or be sent to a space museum. The Oberth probably contributed 0.001% of the damage to the borg cube.
@thegamerman7 Since the Borg can regenerate their Cubes I doubt that the explosion did anything useful. Certainly not more useful than the explosions from the other destroyed ships(which didn't even slow it down).
@porpus99 Hey guys u know what else is a weak spot?...... FreaKING wINDOWS on a starship of any kind in Battle! Any1 notice tht window on the Saratoga? WTH! IT didnt evn have reenforced automatic shuttersto cover it during attack! Does any1 even worry bout radiation bleed when the shields r down in the 24th century? Its freakn space! Tht better b sum magical freakn glass or sumthn! O_o
@Quinton151 Thats why they have deflector shields. Any way, why do you think the Defiant has none, so it would be tougher in combat? Its as Legion from Mass Effect 2 says "Windows are structual weaknesses".
@porpus99 Indeed, Shepard also says this in the star board observatiory room near Samara, askn EDI about why the Normandy and freakin windows(this is a structual weakness). The difference is the Normandy had magnetic armor shutters that came down on windows durring battles... The Defiant had none, which was good for combat, but that still does not excuse the counless other starfleet ships during the 22nd, 23rd, and 24th century. Wht would happen if the deflector shields faild?
@porpus99 And wht if they also won but could not restore shields? most of there ship would have to b evacuated to other more durible areas, if not abandoned on the spot due to curcome stances. It ineficent and rellys to much on expecting sheilds to hold. with no back up systems of proction (to my knowledge) such as armerd shutters, and redundant systems in case those to fail, the idea seems 2 revolve around ther not being a problem to occur, and whn it does all they can do is seal the area off
@Lizfan2 if thats true wht the hell was starfleet thinking? Surly they noted in detail Picards report on the Enterprise's 1st encounter with the Borg. How a single Borg Cube nearly distroyed the Galaxy Class flag ship wit little effort.Thy might has well snt them out to die(and thy did). I understand ther was not many ships in the area but if thy know a ship is mor likly 2 fail thn do damage its... Its throwing good people away, a starship not made 2 fight... it didnt evn slow the borg down
@Quinton151 Well they had to do something. What were they supposed to do, let the Borg assimilate Earth? Starfleet had been working on weapons to fight the Borg but none of them were ready by Wolf 359. They had no choice but to attack the Borg with everything they had. Unfortunately what they had was no where near good enough. They did not know enough about the Borg. Q & Guinan did not supply a whole lot of info & Picard's report of the 1st encounter said nothing about assimilating people.
@Lizfan2 Yes but reguardless of the knowlegde of assimilation, they surly should have known a day would one day come whn theyd trip on a "galatic landmine" and thyd b rushd to call into survice all tht thy could muster... it seems.. inivitible. and yes I kno thy had no choice, but if thy had choosen to build better ships in the first place mayb, just mayb not so many people would hav died tht day.
@Quinton151 You have to understand that they didn't have enough time. The Borg arrived in Federation space much sooner than they'd anticipated. It was only one year after "Q Who" that Wolf 359 happened. One year obviously wasn't enough time & it takes time to study the info & build ships. yes they probably should have updated the fleet more frequently but the Federation had not been attacked for almost a century. Their ships weren't bad, they just couldn't stand up to something that powerful.
@Lizfan2 I do understand tht. I just thought tht a much more advanced humanity would hav had the forethought to keep there military up to date as best possible, as Volcan might say, is it not logical to assume tht not ALL advanced species u meet will b peaceful? Im not sayin there as primitive as we r in the 21st century, im just sayin military protection of existing worlds would hav been alot mor higher a priority 4 starfleet(which isa militray branch) thn blind exploration.. its irrisponicble
@Quinton151 How do you prepare for something as powerful as the Borg, when nothing that powerful had ever attacked before? Even with updated & new ships the Borg could wipe the floor with them. Look at the battle in "Star Trek:First Contact". Starfleet had updated their ships & built new, improved ones & they were still getting their asses handed to them until the Enterprise E arrived. Even then the only reason they won is because Picard pointed out a weak spot & the fleet unleashed hell on it.
@Lizfan2 As u said in ur last message , if not 4 assimilation the fleet might(and thats a horrificly big might) have mayb succeeded, but even if they could have u cant tell me they wouldnt have faired better if they had a few Galaxy and Defiant class ships n the fight. Im just saying Oberth class shouldnt hav been concidered, it was not fit to fight the federations enemys of 60+ years ago, why would they send it in2 battle against the biggest threat of all human history? It was a bad call
@Quinton151 Oh I totally agree about the Oberth class ships. I've said before that having as useless Oberth at a Borg battle is like having your 2 yr old brother back you up in a fight. FYI the Defiant class ships did not exist at the time of Wof 359. & yes Starfleet should have updated its fleet periodically. I agree with you there too. It was irresponsible to not update the fleet.
@Quinton151 Nothing as powerful as the Borg had ever attacked before. Even with up-to-date ships Starfleet was getting their asses handed to them in "First Contact" until Picard showed up. The problem is that the Borg adapt much, much faster than Starfleet, & technology-wise they were centuries ahead of Starfleet to begin with. i doubt that keeping the military up to date would have prevented Wolf 359, especially since it was assimilating Picard's knowledge of Starfleet that caused the tragedy.
@Quinton151 Because no one in the Federation even knew about Borg assimilation at the time. Even Guinan apparently didn't know. She certainly didn't say anything about it in "Q Who". If Starfleet had known then that Picard's knowledge & experience would allow the Borg to annihilate the fleet at Wolf 359 I'm sure they would have come up with an alternate course of action unknown to Picard. But they didn't know because Picard had not known about assimilation prior to being kidnapped by the Borg.
@Lizfan2 this is true but he did in fact know that(dispit not knowing about assimilation) the borg were hyper advanced and deadly as all hell surely his report outlined that evn the power of the Enterprise itself was no match for a cube. why throw away a ship tht reguardless of there knowledge of the borg, starfleet shoulda known could not stand up in a fight ya kno? how many lives where lost on tht ship alone? would it hav realy made a difference in evn there eyes?
@Quinton151 & just because Starfleet knew that ONE ship was no match for a Borg cube doesn't necessarily mean that 40 of them wouldn't be. If Picard had not been assimilated it's possible that the fleet may have prevailed. We have no way of really knowing what the outcome could have been if the Borg had not stolen Picard's knowledge & experience.
@Lizfan2 Yes i kno tht, and iv thought about tht already, but a Oberth class ship was nvr ment 2 fight in the first place its lik sending a constitution class against a borg ship with out refit or torpedos(there almost from the same time period mind u class Oberth and Constitution). I just thougt a more evolved mankind would hav seen the enevitibility of fightin an superthreat at sumpoint n time, not all advanced speicies can b peaceful It seems thy did not and lost a lost more thn theyshouldhav
@thegamerman7 suicide "run" implys they evn hada chance to do anything other then loss there lives. They were sent to there deaths. It was suicide period. assisted suicide only in the fact tht the borg took there lives from them and not them form them selves
@Lizfan2 Did it good? Thousands of lives were lost in both cases.. The Federation got to comfortible... let aging starships continue as thy simultainously made new ships in the name of fast exploration and discovery, and whn war comes they wonder why thy loss so many. EVn now humanity shows signs of arrogence, not waiting to explore with new up to date top of the line ships only, insted thy screw thr people wit mostly less thn thr best technology... leading to pointlesssenceless wasteoflife
Anyone else notice how at least one Miranda class seems to blow up in every fleet-size battle? You'd think they could blow up an Akira or a Galaxy class for once...
lol, Don't take that too seriously, the Miranda just happens to be my favorite class of Trek ships. Seriously though, at least one Miranda does seem to be destroyed in most of the fleet battles I've watched....
i had a dream once i was at wolf 359 as first officer i see picard and rikker upducted along with a friend my other friend was at tactical i see the friend who was caputred on viewscreen as she tells me shes the new borg queen i look at tactical with tears and say sarah fire
I thought there were supposed to be 39 Federation ships in this battle. I didn't see more than half a dozen here. Guess they didn't want to go over budget.
@mirageknight24 most starfleet vessals (while equiped for war), are merely in the name of exploration in the 24th century, civialan life and family on a starship making first contact with an alien race shows in greater detail human wht we are as a society then a completely militarized crew. Still it is reather arrogent on the federations part, to assume thts ok. But wht do we kno, whr from the 21st century, were a primitive species accordin to drunk DianaXD
And in the opening episode of DS9 he gets all bitchy with Picard, who happens to be deploying the station's runabouts from the Enterprise, before continuing on.
Sisko lost his wife in this battle, and hates Picard a little for it.
But Picard has the rank, and is twice the officer Sisko could ever be. Don't get me wrong: I love me some DS9. But the Captain is the Captain.
@Kingrex16 Oh, no. I don't blame the man, not at all.
But: He did skirt awfully close to subordination and disrespect to a superior officer, which is not so kosher. But whatever: It's understandable, and Picard didn't do anything like court martial him for his insolence. Picard understood.
@skrevan19 I respect Janeway and most of the crew of Voyager emencly and would nevr thing in such terrible ways like that. Tht is sucha primitive 21st century look at things and its appoling!..... Still if i had to choose tho..... 7 of 9 ftw all the way. lol
@skrevan19 I like Dax(both of them) & Seven. Not sure who my favorite is. There are so many to choose from. Don't feel dorky. I'm PROUD to be a Star Trek nerd.
Heres whats going on: Locutus (Picard assimilated) warns Starfleet. The USS Saratoga (Sisko's ship) attacks the Borg cube. The USS Melbourne is destroyed. The Saratoga is caught in the tractor beam. The USS Bellerophon and the USS Yamaguchi swing around and try to free the Saratoga. Most of the crew dies. Sisko gets to his quarters, rescues Jake, but his wife Jennifer is dead. The Bolian Lieutenant literally drags him away to the escape pods. As they leave, the Saratoga is officially destroyed.
@manoljo: The synchronization problems are a result of the Borg's jamming systems during the attack. I have engineering working on the problem as we speak.
The borg should have gone after vulcan. Afterall they may have incredibly advanced weapons but few and far inbetween. The borg would have a foothold in the alpha quadrant, and the romulans would be happy at first until they came for romulas.
in a dream my friend was killed by the borg when she hit her head and fell but Q appeared and sent me 5 minutes back in time to save my friend but i die in her place. at the time the federation where allies with 8472 and the dominion allies with the borg in another dream my friend picard and riker where assimilated 5 years after wolf 359 it felt real
I enjoy the Sci Fi, but it's just not a New or a More Detailed Account of Genesis Entity for me. Before the Biblical Adam sinned, mankind could have traversed the stars instead of being confined to the Earthbound 3 score and ten nightmare we see find ourselves in, today, one that we must be saved from, at best, and recreated from by the Master..
Why didn't they have the civilians leave the ship through escape pods many light years away from Wolf 359? Then get picked up by a starship rather than having them risk their lives through battle with the borg.
True, but then there might not have been enough escape pods for the ships' crews. The best course of action would have been for the Starfleet crews to drop the civies off at the nearest starbases or Federation planets before heading to Wolf 359.
Some starships have more than enough escape pods. Remember the two Voyager episodes named Workforce. The whole crew abandoned the ship and there was 3 escape pods left.
Ok, but what about the ships that don't have enough escape pods? Besides with transporters & shuttles the civies wouldn't have needed the escape pods. Starfleet could just as easily have beamed & shuttled the civies to the nearest planets/starbases before they left for Wolf 359.
Probably because she had more important things to worry about than counting body bags-like getting her crew home. In any case military personnell are trained to deal with that sort of thing.
Perhaps they considered the Time-window for the initial threat-response to narrow. Had they dropped the civvies of first, then they wouldn't have enough time to slow the cube down (the fact that they didn't succeed to slow the cube down is not a factor in this case)
anyone know why picard diddnt have any of the difficulties seperating from the borg that 7 of 9 did? i guess it was probably because of the short amount of time he was connected to the hive mind, but what about when it comes to the physical side of things? it looks like they diddnt spare on the implants but they couldnt take out of all of 7 of 9's or even icheb's. am i just dwelling on a hole in the plot here? xD
probably because he was a borg drone for only a few day, versus several years for 7 of 9. plus she was a kid when she was assimulated and picard was an adult.
Agreed. I also suspect that he was only partially assimilated. In "First Contact," Picard remembered that the Queen wanted him to "give himself willingly" to her/the Collective -- something he could only do if he had some individuality left. There's also the fact that he could communicate with Data ("Sleep, Data"), a sense of self that no other drone has ever demonstrated whilst connected to the hive mind.
@senatus yeah but u must remember evn tho a borg drones body is in complete control by the borg, the mind takes slitly longer to assimilate into submission and complete and utter servitude, it would seem (Much like the Reapers) the final true part to assimilation, is the mind giving it self to the Borg freely, as Assimilation prehapes does not so much asdistroys the free will as it minpulates, changes and enevitibly utterly controls the free will, then comes utter mind domination
Yeah the Borg didn't give Starfleet a lot of time. Starfleet had only a few days to scrounge up the 40 ships to fight the Borg at Wolf 359. They had a few months at least to amass the fleet that retook DS9 from the Dominion.
The Excelsior class vessel was designed to be in service for a minimum of 80-100yrs. It's a hearty design and was liked by the admirality. The model for the Ambassador class (intermediary between the Excelsior and Galaxy class) wasn't created until late in the 3rd season of STNG, so Excelsiors got a lot of screen time. Not many Ambassador class vessels were made, it was found more efficient to upgrade Excelsiors.
Also, during the war many were brought out of mothballs and upgraded.
That's what happens when you overuse them. The Borg were going to be the main adversary on DS9 until the producers realized they're too powerful to be a main villain. Hear that, Voyager?
They didn't have time to evacuate civilians to a habitable planet or base before they intercepted the Borg. I suppose they could theoretically have put the civilians into shuttlecraft before engaging in combat though.
Keep in mind that these vessels are not warships, nor were they even near the Federation borders. Wolf 359 is almost the heart of Federation territory. They had no reason to expect to enter combat until it actually happened.
Actually they did have time, If you watched the TNG episode covering this event, you see an admiral telling the enterprise that they are gathering a fleet to rendez-vous at wolf 359 to intercept the borg. IT WAS PLANNED IN ADVANCED. So they purposely kept them onboard. I know my star trek also buddy.
Sure, in a manner of speaking. But the starships had to go *directly* to the rendezvous at Wolf 359. They didn't have time to detour to a drop off point, they had to go immediately. If their course didn't take them within range of a friendly facility, then tough luck for the civilians.
The billions of lives and Federation headquarters on Earth took clear priority over any of the starships delaying their arrival to offload civilians.
All family aboard starships would be told of the risks ahead of time. A ship couldn't just drop off all civilians before entering a dangerous situation or battle.
No because if they did that, there wouldn't be any means of evacuating the officers and crew if the ship was crippled.
For example, if they had loaded all the civilians onto shuttles and then left for the battle, Sisco would have been dead because they used a shuttle to escape at the end.
Comment removed
52bladesdork 1 month ago
OVER 9000! PEOPLE DIED AT WOLF 359!
ODOMAN123 3 months ago
@ODOMAN123 Actually, it was about 11,000
toddsmitts 2 months ago
@toddsmitts HERP DERP YOU'RE A TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
ODOMAN123 2 months ago
@ODOMAN123 Uhhhh, no, I'm not.
toddsmitts 2 months ago
@toddsmitts then stfu with your stupid facts about a science fiction show.
"over 9000" is a popular internet mime that u already know about, but decided to troll your nerdism about star trek facts.. ye just stfu man.
ODOMAN123 2 months ago
@ODOMAN123 Actually, I don't have time to memorize every meme out there at the moment. Sorry to inconvenience you.
Unless you really did mean MIME, in which case you should be a lot quieter...
toddsmitts 2 months ago
@toddsmitts shh moron 11000 is over 9000 even if u didn't know the *meme. ur just a faggot out here trolling every time u get a chance.. shh troll ok? 11000 is over 9000.
ODOMAN123 2 months ago
Although the idea of Civilians on warships is harsh for us today, in the golden age of sail sailors often had their families on board for the long years of travel. Also remember the Star fleet was orientated for exploration first and defence second, so families on board is in line with its main principle.
qetoun 3 months ago
Why didn't they evacuate the civilians before the battle?
AldanFerrox 4 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@AldanFerrox They didn't really have time. As soon as they realised where the cube was going all available ships in the area would have been orderd to go straight to wolf 359 to engage it. Most of them would have had to divert there course in order to offload civilians at a planet or starbase which would have delayed there arrival at the battle. Remember Starleet did not fully realise at the time that their weapons would be so useless. And even if they did they would still try anyway.
anthonybrown30 4 months ago
@AldanFerrox They were going to evacuate the civillians to Earth... but they got intercepted by the Borg.
EduardoTVideos 3 months ago
I'll say it again Wolf 359 was no battle it was a massacre
SwordsmanMercenary 5 months ago
@SwordsmanMercenary
Starfleet wasn't ready for the Borg yet. They didn't know that they could travel from the Delta quadrant so quickly. The fleet they were able to gather quickly was not optimal for a battle with a cube. The bulk of the ships destroyed at Wolf 359 were lighter types as those would have been the ships that were used closer to the homeworlds of the Federation where it was relatively safe. The heavier types would have been in deep space where combat would have been more likely.
gamewizard 4 months ago
@gamewizard Yeah I noticed most of these ships are older classes .
SwordsmanMercenary 4 months ago
EPIC WOOT!
nummydoughnuts 5 months ago
Avery Brooks was one of the best actors to grace Star Trek. The best opening to any ST series.
SamusDrake 6 months ago
Avery brooks is the single worst thing in deep space nine, damn what a cringeworthy "actor"
volvo145 6 months ago
I dont think there should have been any civilians aboard any of the ships during this battle. Its not like the Borg ambushed 359.
Neomac316 7 months ago
this is good but as other comments say sync is all out sorry
englishdragon88 7 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
star trek: niggers in command!
Zarathustra799 7 months ago
1:52 "Let's get these civilians to the escape pods"?
Oi vey. There's a reason, Sisko, why you got stuck with the Blob Emprah and its Spess Marines, whilst the OTHER tng spinoff defeated the Borg.
chriscumbag 8 months ago
So begins the career of the most human and toughest character of all.
BrooklynJackBlue 9 months ago 2
This is actually more enjoyable if you imagine the borg ship as a giant bucket of KFC and Locutus as Colonel Sanders. "Now y'all've come for my elleven herbs an' a spices. I say, resistance is a fu-tay-al, boy"
berner 9 months ago
u know they really should of had the borg on ds9 to see how sisko would react to them kinda like picard did in 1st contact
thebuckrogers22 10 months ago
the ship at 2:30 being destroyed is that a oberth tug?
TheKemTV 11 months ago
@TheKemTV yes it was.
retro38 10 months ago
Oddly enough my sole problem with this (aside from synch being off) is that it shows the Borg viewscreen as just being a screen whereas TNG showed that it was also Cube-shaped.
ShadowSonic2 1 year ago
Which movie or TNG episode was this from?
TheLegolasguy 1 year ago
@TheLegolasguy It's from the Pilote of Deep Space 9, so It's not from any TNG episode.
michaelhviper 1 year ago
@michaelhviper That explains it. Thanks.
TheLegolasguy 1 year ago
Taking your wife and son into a battle vs. the borg= fail
lou4brew 1 year ago 8
@lou4brew Not off loading civilians before heading into battle=FAIL....
GeneralKenobiSIYE 1 year ago
@lou4brew I never understood Starfleet for doing that. That's just crazy.
terrywest111 2 months ago
@lou4brew Indeed it was, but sadly the fleet didn't have enough time to dump the excess crew and form the blockade at Wolf 359 given that they where trying to get to the edge of federation space as soon as possible.
bazookoidben 1 month ago
Maybe its time we give those anti-matter space mines a shot? There is nothing in this backwater system that they could destroy. It makes more sense then throwing your ships at a bigger ship that you have shown you cannot defeat over and over again.
Crazydog7 1 year ago
音ズレが惜しい
Upsilon09 1 year ago
sisko was a dick to picard in this pilot lol. glad he finally got the sand out of his Vag
OopeeShaba 1 year ago
@OopeeShaba Sisko knew that what happened at Wolf 359 wasn't Picard's fault, but he was still grieving over the loss of his beloved wife at the hands of the Borg. Don't be so hard on Sisko. He couldn't help the way he felt at the time. It takes time & sometimes some help for people to work through their grief.
Lizfan2 1 year ago 3
@OopeeShaba Someone needed to be a dick to Picard.
williamskidfears 1 year ago
@quantum460 he lookd Romulan 2 me O_o. which is very incredible 2 me concidering the current Romulan Federation stigma at this point and time. Vulcans are common in Star Fleet during this era... But Romulan? Im not sure if the Federation is that open minded to allow a Romulan into their ranks at this point and time concidering the very recent history of the 2. Still though.... He lookd very Romulan 2 me, I must look more in depth into Star Fleet stigma and military doctrineofthetimeperiod
Quinton151 1 year ago
Seriosly u don´t bring children aboard a starship which is involved in combats, as they usually are. Idiots good riddance I say!
Corazone1983 1 year ago
would any of u call the war in iraq a real life wolf 359?
kellyberry 1 year ago
@kellyberry No. much less Borg and starship battles in the Iraq war... Just sayin lol
Quinton151 1 year ago
Battle of Wolf 395 was an unprecendented disaster for the U.F.P, namely because 39 out of 40 ships were destroyed with the damn Borg cube emerging without a scratch!
NicholasGeschke 1 year ago
just get real ! Jennifer is DEAD !
butcherben82 1 year ago
It's funny the things you notice when you go back and watch some of these great moments. "Red alert"!!?? What kind of condition was the ship on just prior to Picard's ultimatum? They went in on ordinary cruising status, maybe? Plus, yeah: civilians to the lifeboats, THEN we go fight the Borg. No wonder the Borg caught the Feds with their pants down...
craigkbryant 1 year ago
LOl and old ass miranda class, excelsior class, and ambassador class vs a big borg cube.
thegamerman7 1 year ago
@thegamerman7 There was an Oberth class ship there too I think.
Lizfan2 1 year ago
@Lizfan2 They were just asking for an asswuppen
thegamerman7 1 year ago
@thegamerman7 At least this battle plus the Dominion War did Starfleet some good. They started building decent starships instead of using the obsolete stuff. Why they would use an Oberth class ship in any battle is beyond me. That class is about, what, 80 years old more or less with no effective weaponry? I think the Miranda class is about 40 years old. Starfleet seriously needs to update & upgrade their fleet every 10 years or so. Scrap the old & build the new.
Lizfan2 1 year ago
@Lizfan2 Ya seriously the Oberth is a science ship. They dont even carry photon torpeados and the yhave minimal phasers. They basicly went on a suicide run.
thegamerman7 1 year ago
@thegamerman7 The Oberth class doesn't carry photon torpedos? Seriously? Cripes they're more useless than I thought. I thought every class of Starship had photon torpedos. Whose idiot idea was it to put an Oberth in this battle? Idiots. They should at least have had it empty of people & remote controlled it somehow. That way they waste a perfectly bad ship without wasting a perfectly good crew.
Lizfan2 1 year ago
@Lizfan2 It even sucks for a science ship. Compared to a Nebula class ship the Oberth sucks balls. They shoud have all been scrapped by now and used as spare parts or be sent to a space museum. The Oberth probably contributed 0.001% of the damage to the borg cube.
thegamerman7 1 year ago
@thegamerman7 Heck I doubt the Oberth even contributed that much damage.
Lizfan2 1 year ago
@Lizfan2 Its explosion probably did more damage than its weapons.
thegamerman7 1 year ago
@thegamerman7 Since the Borg can regenerate their Cubes I doubt that the explosion did anything useful. Certainly not more useful than the explosions from the other destroyed ships(which didn't even slow it down).
Lizfan2 1 year ago
@Lizfan2 The ship could have been more use researching the weak spots of the cube.
thegamerman7 1 year ago
@thegamerman7 What weak spots? The only weak spot was their regeneration protocol & it took Data's link to Locutus to find that.
Lizfan2 1 year ago
@Lizfan2 And that weak spot probable will never work again. If it happens once, the Borg correct that problem and adapt.
porpus99 1 year ago
@porpus99 No kidding.
Lizfan2 1 year ago
@porpus99 Hey guys u know what else is a weak spot?...... FreaKING wINDOWS on a starship of any kind in Battle! Any1 notice tht window on the Saratoga? WTH! IT didnt evn have reenforced automatic shuttersto cover it during attack! Does any1 even worry bout radiation bleed when the shields r down in the 24th century? Its freakn space! Tht better b sum magical freakn glass or sumthn! O_o
Quinton151 1 year ago
@Quinton151 Thats why they have deflector shields. Any way, why do you think the Defiant has none, so it would be tougher in combat? Its as Legion from Mass Effect 2 says "Windows are structual weaknesses".
porpus99 1 year ago
@porpus99 Indeed, Shepard also says this in the star board observatiory room near Samara, askn EDI about why the Normandy and freakin windows(this is a structual weakness). The difference is the Normandy had magnetic armor shutters that came down on windows durring battles... The Defiant had none, which was good for combat, but that still does not excuse the counless other starfleet ships during the 22nd, 23rd, and 24th century. Wht would happen if the deflector shields faild?
Quinton151 1 year ago
@porpus99 And wht if they also won but could not restore shields? most of there ship would have to b evacuated to other more durible areas, if not abandoned on the spot due to curcome stances. It ineficent and rellys to much on expecting sheilds to hold. with no back up systems of proction (to my knowledge) such as armerd shutters, and redundant systems in case those to fail, the idea seems 2 revolve around ther not being a problem to occur, and whn it does all they can do is seal the area off
Quinton151 1 year ago
@Lizfan2 if thats true wht the hell was starfleet thinking? Surly they noted in detail Picards report on the Enterprise's 1st encounter with the Borg. How a single Borg Cube nearly distroyed the Galaxy Class flag ship wit little effort.Thy might has well snt them out to die(and thy did). I understand ther was not many ships in the area but if thy know a ship is mor likly 2 fail thn do damage its... Its throwing good people away, a starship not made 2 fight... it didnt evn slow the borg down
Quinton151 1 year ago
@Quinton151 Well they had to do something. What were they supposed to do, let the Borg assimilate Earth? Starfleet had been working on weapons to fight the Borg but none of them were ready by Wolf 359. They had no choice but to attack the Borg with everything they had. Unfortunately what they had was no where near good enough. They did not know enough about the Borg. Q & Guinan did not supply a whole lot of info & Picard's report of the 1st encounter said nothing about assimilating people.
Lizfan2 1 year ago
@Lizfan2 Yes but reguardless of the knowlegde of assimilation, they surly should have known a day would one day come whn theyd trip on a "galatic landmine" and thyd b rushd to call into survice all tht thy could muster... it seems.. inivitible. and yes I kno thy had no choice, but if thy had choosen to build better ships in the first place mayb, just mayb not so many people would hav died tht day.
Quinton151 1 year ago
@Quinton151 You have to understand that they didn't have enough time. The Borg arrived in Federation space much sooner than they'd anticipated. It was only one year after "Q Who" that Wolf 359 happened. One year obviously wasn't enough time & it takes time to study the info & build ships. yes they probably should have updated the fleet more frequently but the Federation had not been attacked for almost a century. Their ships weren't bad, they just couldn't stand up to something that powerful.
Lizfan2 1 year ago
@Lizfan2 I do understand tht. I just thought tht a much more advanced humanity would hav had the forethought to keep there military up to date as best possible, as Volcan might say, is it not logical to assume tht not ALL advanced species u meet will b peaceful? Im not sayin there as primitive as we r in the 21st century, im just sayin military protection of existing worlds would hav been alot mor higher a priority 4 starfleet(which isa militray branch) thn blind exploration.. its irrisponicble
Quinton151 1 year ago
@Quinton151 How do you prepare for something as powerful as the Borg, when nothing that powerful had ever attacked before? Even with updated & new ships the Borg could wipe the floor with them. Look at the battle in "Star Trek:First Contact". Starfleet had updated their ships & built new, improved ones & they were still getting their asses handed to them until the Enterprise E arrived. Even then the only reason they won is because Picard pointed out a weak spot & the fleet unleashed hell on it.
Lizfan2 1 year ago
@Lizfan2 As u said in ur last message , if not 4 assimilation the fleet might(and thats a horrificly big might) have mayb succeeded, but even if they could have u cant tell me they wouldnt have faired better if they had a few Galaxy and Defiant class ships n the fight. Im just saying Oberth class shouldnt hav been concidered, it was not fit to fight the federations enemys of 60+ years ago, why would they send it in2 battle against the biggest threat of all human history? It was a bad call
Quinton151 1 year ago
@Quinton151 Oh I totally agree about the Oberth class ships. I've said before that having as useless Oberth at a Borg battle is like having your 2 yr old brother back you up in a fight. FYI the Defiant class ships did not exist at the time of Wof 359. & yes Starfleet should have updated its fleet periodically. I agree with you there too. It was irresponsible to not update the fleet.
Lizfan2 1 year ago
@Quinton151 Nothing as powerful as the Borg had ever attacked before. Even with up-to-date ships Starfleet was getting their asses handed to them in "First Contact" until Picard showed up. The problem is that the Borg adapt much, much faster than Starfleet, & technology-wise they were centuries ahead of Starfleet to begin with. i doubt that keeping the military up to date would have prevented Wolf 359, especially since it was assimilating Picard's knowledge of Starfleet that caused the tragedy.
Lizfan2 1 year ago
@Quinton151 Because no one in the Federation even knew about Borg assimilation at the time. Even Guinan apparently didn't know. She certainly didn't say anything about it in "Q Who". If Starfleet had known then that Picard's knowledge & experience would allow the Borg to annihilate the fleet at Wolf 359 I'm sure they would have come up with an alternate course of action unknown to Picard. But they didn't know because Picard had not known about assimilation prior to being kidnapped by the Borg.
Lizfan2 1 year ago
@Lizfan2 this is true but he did in fact know that(dispit not knowing about assimilation) the borg were hyper advanced and deadly as all hell surely his report outlined that evn the power of the Enterprise itself was no match for a cube. why throw away a ship tht reguardless of there knowledge of the borg, starfleet shoulda known could not stand up in a fight ya kno? how many lives where lost on tht ship alone? would it hav realy made a difference in evn there eyes?
Quinton151 1 year ago
@Quinton151 & just because Starfleet knew that ONE ship was no match for a Borg cube doesn't necessarily mean that 40 of them wouldn't be. If Picard had not been assimilated it's possible that the fleet may have prevailed. We have no way of really knowing what the outcome could have been if the Borg had not stolen Picard's knowledge & experience.
Lizfan2 1 year ago
@Lizfan2 Yes i kno tht, and iv thought about tht already, but a Oberth class ship was nvr ment 2 fight in the first place its lik sending a constitution class against a borg ship with out refit or torpedos(there almost from the same time period mind u class Oberth and Constitution). I just thougt a more evolved mankind would hav seen the enevitibility of fightin an superthreat at sumpoint n time, not all advanced speicies can b peaceful It seems thy did not and lost a lost more thn theyshouldhav
Quinton151 1 year ago
@thegamerman7 suicide "run" implys they evn hada chance to do anything other then loss there lives. They were sent to there deaths. It was suicide period. assisted suicide only in the fact tht the borg took there lives from them and not them form them selves
Quinton151 1 year ago
@Lizfan2 Did it good? Thousands of lives were lost in both cases.. The Federation got to comfortible... let aging starships continue as thy simultainously made new ships in the name of fast exploration and discovery, and whn war comes they wonder why thy loss so many. EVn now humanity shows signs of arrogence, not waiting to explore with new up to date top of the line ships only, insted thy screw thr people wit mostly less thn thr best technology... leading to pointlesssenceless wasteoflife
Quinton151 1 year ago
Anyone else notice how at least one Miranda class seems to blow up in every fleet-size battle? You'd think they could blow up an Akira or a Galaxy class for once...
lol, Don't take that too seriously, the Miranda just happens to be my favorite class of Trek ships. Seriously though, at least one Miranda does seem to be destroyed in most of the fleet battles I've watched....
Spider2point0 1 year ago
@Spider2point0
LOL your not the only ones whose noticed.
Kingrex16 1 year ago
i had a dream once i was at wolf 359 as first officer i see picard and rikker upducted along with a friend my other friend was at tactical i see the friend who was caputred on viewscreen as she tells me shes the new borg queen i look at tactical with tears and say sarah fire
kellyberry 1 year ago
@kellyberry ok....
mbenzsl2000 1 year ago
@mbenzsl2000 it felt real at the time i didnt know i was in a dream
kellyberry 1 year ago
@kellyberry lol...ya thats what happened to me when i was hooked to law and order svu....i had a dream where i was a det. it was pretty sweeet
mbenzsl2000 1 year ago
I thought there were supposed to be 39 Federation ships in this battle. I didn't see more than half a dozen here. Guess they didn't want to go over budget.
ytmndman 1 year ago
Comment removed
mirageknight24 1 year ago 3
@mirageknight24 It was a hastily arranged battle fleet. They had no time to offload the civilans
Trek001 1 year ago
Good question. However, in peace time they figured crew would function better with family.
BullRun1861 1 year ago
@mirageknight24 most starfleet vessals (while equiped for war), are merely in the name of exploration in the 24th century, civialan life and family on a starship making first contact with an alien race shows in greater detail human wht we are as a society then a completely militarized crew. Still it is reather arrogent on the federations part, to assume thts ok. But wht do we kno, whr from the 21st century, were a primitive species accordin to drunk DianaXD
Quinton151 1 year ago
The audio is way off.
Casanuda 1 year ago
Are the blue Borg beams Tetryon beams?
DarthZimmeris 1 year ago
I had fogotten about Sisko being at this battle.
castlecolten 1 year ago
@castlecolten Yep.
And in the opening episode of DS9 he gets all bitchy with Picard, who happens to be deploying the station's runabouts from the Enterprise, before continuing on.
Sisko lost his wife in this battle, and hates Picard a little for it.
But Picard has the rank, and is twice the officer Sisko could ever be. Don't get me wrong: I love me some DS9. But the Captain is the Captain.
DarthZimmeris 1 year ago
@DarthZimmeris
you cant blame Sisko though. If it was you you'd hate him too.
Kingrex16 1 year ago 3
@Kingrex16 Oh, no. I don't blame the man, not at all.
But: He did skirt awfully close to subordination and disrespect to a superior officer, which is not so kosher. But whatever: It's understandable, and Picard didn't do anything like court martial him for his insolence. Picard understood.
DarthZimmeris 1 year ago 12
@DarthZimmeris yeah he did. I was suprised at Sisko for that. But Picard understood. ANd thats what makes hime soo cool.
Kingrex16 1 year ago
@Kingrex16 Agreed. Picard is the best Captain, by far.
DarthZimmeris 1 year ago
@DarthZimmeris
also agreed
Kingrex16 1 year ago
@DarthZimmeris Janeway ftw
Zenex666 1 year ago
@Zenex666 Janeway blows.
DarthZimmeris 1 year ago
@DarthZimmeris That is a good quality in a woman. I happen to like Janeway aswell!
skrevan19 1 year ago
@skrevan19 I respect Janeway and most of the crew of Voyager emencly and would nevr thing in such terrible ways like that. Tht is sucha primitive 21st century look at things and its appoling!..... Still if i had to choose tho..... 7 of 9 ftw all the way. lol
Quinton151 1 year ago
@Quinton151 Haha yeah, 7 of 9 is a fox. so is t'pol of enterprise but my fav is major kira. Damn I feel so dorky now
skrevan19 1 year ago
@skrevan19 I like Dax(both of them) & Seven. Not sure who my favorite is. There are so many to choose from. Don't feel dorky. I'm PROUD to be a Star Trek nerd.
Lizfan2 1 year ago
@Lizfan2 Those are all good choices. I favor the later dax more though. She had this cute small round face attractiveness about her lol
skrevan19 1 year ago
@skrevan19 I personally liked Captain Garret of Enterprise B.
trevinboy 1 year ago
@trevinboy You mean enterprise C ;-) You must be into women of authority lol. I like that too
skrevan19 1 year ago
@trevinboy Harriman was Enterprise-B.
williamskidfears 1 year ago
@DarthZimmeris No buddy disrespects the Admiral that way! I bit my thump at the sir! lol
Quinton151 1 year ago
Comment removed
JohnLuckPickard141 1 year ago
I love how the consoles always blow up first instead of the walls themselves.
pratt123 1 year ago
Heres whats going on: Locutus (Picard assimilated) warns Starfleet. The USS Saratoga (Sisko's ship) attacks the Borg cube. The USS Melbourne is destroyed. The Saratoga is caught in the tractor beam. The USS Bellerophon and the USS Yamaguchi swing around and try to free the Saratoga. Most of the crew dies. Sisko gets to his quarters, rescues Jake, but his wife Jennifer is dead. The Bolian Lieutenant literally drags him away to the escape pods. As they leave, the Saratoga is officially destroyed.
JohnLuckPickard141 1 year ago
fix the synchronization :/ it's really off :/
manoljo 1 year ago 15
@manoljo: The synchronization problems are a result of the Borg's jamming systems during the attack. I have engineering working on the problem as we speak.
gerubach72 1 year ago 13
The borg should have gone after vulcan. Afterall they may have incredibly advanced weapons but few and far inbetween. The borg would have a foothold in the alpha quadrant, and the romulans would be happy at first until they came for romulas.
bmwsux4 1 year ago
That's probably the best ST series opener they ever made.
DelDuio 1 year ago 3
I never thought I saw the most EPIC battle evar!
bentbob09 1 year ago
in a dream my friend was killed by the borg when she hit her head and fell but Q appeared and sent me 5 minutes back in time to save my friend but i die in her place. at the time the federation where allies with 8472 and the dominion allies with the borg in another dream my friend picard and riker where assimilated 5 years after wolf 359 it felt real
kellyberry 1 year ago
borg will win overall THEY SOO EPIC!!1
englandfan118 1 year ago
What episode is this from? I know the battle was in "Best of Both Worlds, but it didn't show it then.
ExtremeFaithInJesus 2 years ago
This is from The first episode of DS9 "emissary"
Wsupermain2 2 years ago
How do you not notice when you upload that the sound is a full second off.
Atralis 2 years ago
To beat the borg all you have to do is procure some sort of agreement with species 8472 and let them do all the work.
Ragnarblackmane12 2 years ago
@Ragnarblackmane12 Except they are the bad guys now in Star Trek Online
Jumpyjman 2 years ago
there is on thing I dont understand: If the starfleept goes to battle. Why are still there families on the ships?
GalaxGarg 2 years ago
They're not usually on the ships during battles but sometimes they're needed quickly and there isn't time for them to be taken off.
Wolf 359 seems like something that was very quickly put together, most likely no planning..they just ordered every ship in range to get there asap.
CynicalVision 2 years ago 2
@GalaxGarg I wondered that as well.
Ardenwolfe 2 years ago
sound is out of sync
jaden2000sg1 2 years ago
I enjoy the Sci Fi, but it's just not a New or a More Detailed Account of Genesis Entity for me. Before the Biblical Adam sinned, mankind could have traversed the stars instead of being confined to the Earthbound 3 score and ten nightmare we see find ourselves in, today, one that we must be saved from, at best, and recreated from by the Master..
jhol1177 2 years ago
Voyager was a joke. The Borg would have crushed the Dominion and StarFleet put together.
gen8joey 2 years ago 2
Hey. i didnt see the other ships. you cut them off. only the miranda class USS Sarasota.
TitanLover8011 2 years ago
Why didn't they have the civilians leave the ship through escape pods many light years away from Wolf 359? Then get picked up by a starship rather than having them risk their lives through battle with the borg.
Taurus702B 2 years ago
i've always wondered why they didnt drop off the civilians before the battle.
jco5618 2 years ago
True, but then there might not have been enough escape pods for the ships' crews. The best course of action would have been for the Starfleet crews to drop the civies off at the nearest starbases or Federation planets before heading to Wolf 359.
Lizfan2 2 years ago
Some starships have more than enough escape pods. Remember the two Voyager episodes named Workforce. The whole crew abandoned the ship and there was 3 escape pods left.
Taurus702B 2 years ago
Ok, but what about the ships that don't have enough escape pods? Besides with transporters & shuttles the civies wouldn't have needed the escape pods. Starfleet could just as easily have beamed & shuttled the civies to the nearest planets/starbases before they left for Wolf 359.
Lizfan2 2 years ago
All start fleet ships have enough escape pods, or lifeboats for every registered crew member plus 50
Tibarus 2 years ago
But half of Voyager's crew died in the first episode
XordLenu 2 years ago
Are you sure it was half? I've never seen anything canon that tells how many of Voyager's crew died in "Caretaker".
Lizfan2 2 years ago
Is it really worth counting the bodies in Voyager? Janeway really didn't seem to concerned through out the series with it
Kalnafein 2 years ago 2
Probably because she had more important things to worry about than counting body bags-like getting her crew home. In any case military personnell are trained to deal with that sort of thing.
Lizfan2 2 years ago
Perhaps they considered the Time-window for the initial threat-response to narrow. Had they dropped the civvies of first, then they wouldn't have enough time to slow the cube down (the fact that they didn't succeed to slow the cube down is not a factor in this case)
SkyCharger001 2 years ago
The Vulcan captain is the same actor that plays General Martok later in the series.
Wyrmshadow 2 years ago
One of the most exciting openings of any Star Trek series, ever!
AriesTRam 2 years ago 2
anyone know why picard diddnt have any of the difficulties seperating from the borg that 7 of 9 did? i guess it was probably because of the short amount of time he was connected to the hive mind, but what about when it comes to the physical side of things? it looks like they diddnt spare on the implants but they couldnt take out of all of 7 of 9's or even icheb's. am i just dwelling on a hole in the plot here? xD
heinzie5 2 years ago
You answered your own question. Seven's impants were intergrated at an early age. Watch more of Voyager, it is explained.
Section31Captain 2 years ago
probably because he was a borg drone for only a few day, versus several years for 7 of 9. plus she was a kid when she was assimulated and picard was an adult.
jco5618 2 years ago 4
@jco5618:
Agreed. I also suspect that he was only partially assimilated. In "First Contact," Picard remembered that the Queen wanted him to "give himself willingly" to her/the Collective -- something he could only do if he had some individuality left. There's also the fact that he could communicate with Data ("Sleep, Data"), a sense of self that no other drone has ever demonstrated whilst connected to the hive mind.
senatus 1 year ago
@senatus yeah but u must remember evn tho a borg drones body is in complete control by the borg, the mind takes slitly longer to assimilate into submission and complete and utter servitude, it would seem (Much like the Reapers) the final true part to assimilation, is the mind giving it self to the Borg freely, as Assimilation prehapes does not so much asdistroys the free will as it minpulates, changes and enevitibly utterly controls the free will, then comes utter mind domination
Quinton151 1 year ago
Only 40 ships available? I never felt comfortable with this low number. They had at least 600 when they retook DS9 from the dominion.
divad838 2 years ago
Different set of circumstances. The battle to retake DS 9 was planned. The battle at Wolf 359 was spontaneous.
Section31Captain 2 years ago
Yeah the Borg didn't give Starfleet a lot of time. Starfleet had only a few days to scrounge up the 40 ships to fight the Borg at Wolf 359. They had a few months at least to amass the fleet that retook DS9 from the Dominion.
Lizfan2 2 years ago
I never understood why Starfleet continued to throw obsolete Miranda and Excelsior class ships in the thick of battle!
Danny77uk 2 years ago
The Excelsior class vessel was designed to be in service for a minimum of 80-100yrs. It's a hearty design and was liked by the admirality. The model for the Ambassador class (intermediary between the Excelsior and Galaxy class) wasn't created until late in the 3rd season of STNG, so Excelsiors got a lot of screen time. Not many Ambassador class vessels were made, it was found more efficient to upgrade Excelsiors.
Also, during the war many were brought out of mothballs and upgraded.
cutter23 2 years ago
Great job with the out-of-sync audio.
cloutierfan02 2 years ago
Stuff like that is why they (most probably) didn't have families on the Enterprise E.
clay56 2 years ago
I like how General Martok plays the vulcan captain. He must like star trek a lot, he plays a few characters in voyager too..
cixelsyD1988 2 years ago
J. G. Hertzler only appeared on Voyager one time. And his Vulcan captain characters name is Storil.
Section31Captain 2 years ago
He also played the guy (a hirogen I think) who trains 7 of 9 in that episodes with the Rock.
cixelsyD1988 2 years ago
This makes the Borg look so bad ass. A shame that Voyager made them look so weak.
Garbali87 2 years ago 13
That's what happens when you overuse them. The Borg were going to be the main adversary on DS9 until the producers realized they're too powerful to be a main villain. Hear that, Voyager?
R8erNation636 2 years ago 3
Really? I hadn't heard that. It would have been cool if they had explored that plot line.
jasonsg4111 2 years ago
u.s.s Melbourn Got OWNED !!
but its ironic cause i live in Melbourn Australia .. Lol
frostymoviesjp 2 years ago
Why the fuck they would go to battle with women and children onboard? Idiots
Strome88 2 years ago 8
They didn't have time to evacuate civilians to a habitable planet or base before they intercepted the Borg. I suppose they could theoretically have put the civilians into shuttlecraft before engaging in combat though.
Keep in mind that these vessels are not warships, nor were they even near the Federation borders. Wolf 359 is almost the heart of Federation territory. They had no reason to expect to enter combat until it actually happened.
AnonymousDiv0 2 years ago 11
This comment has received too many negative votes show
More like they were using kids as cheap child-labor...the dark side of the federation lol.
Strome88 2 years ago
lol!
Sounds like something the mirror universe federation would be like.
MushroomwigGT 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Yeah, it more like: ''hey you kid!!!! I said before to stop playing with your pokemon 3000s and arm the goddamn torpedo bays boy!!! ROLF!!!!
Strome88 2 years ago
Actually they did have time, If you watched the TNG episode covering this event, you see an admiral telling the enterprise that they are gathering a fleet to rendez-vous at wolf 359 to intercept the borg. IT WAS PLANNED IN ADVANCED. So they purposely kept them onboard. I know my star trek also buddy.
Strome88 2 years ago 4
"IT WAS PLANNED IN ADVANCED"
Sure, in a manner of speaking. But the starships had to go *directly* to the rendezvous at Wolf 359. They didn't have time to detour to a drop off point, they had to go immediately. If their course didn't take them within range of a friendly facility, then tough luck for the civilians.
The billions of lives and Federation headquarters on Earth took clear priority over any of the starships delaying their arrival to offload civilians.
AnonymousDiv0 2 years ago 3
All family aboard starships would be told of the risks ahead of time. A ship couldn't just drop off all civilians before entering a dangerous situation or battle.
quietearthMT 2 years ago
thinking about it, even if there wasnt time the civilians would get shuttles to go to a friendly base rather than them staying aboard
paulsky1 2 years ago
No because if they did that, there wouldn't be any means of evacuating the officers and crew if the ship was crippled.
For example, if they had loaded all the civilians onto shuttles and then left for the battle, Sisco would have been dead because they used a shuttle to escape at the end.
quietearthMT 2 years ago