What they DONT want you to know!!

[nogotta9]

Sir, you are a gentleman and an investagative scholar. Thanks for the research and pictorial illustrations. If you save one person from this hell, you have done well.

[humanityandhistory]

I've tried to be as fair as I can, I don't have anything against these hopefuls.

JW funeral is the one that needs to be researched. I hear it's a emotionless treatment of the memory of someone, I heard it was 3 mins about the person, then the rest of the 27 mins is a psychological recruiting opportunity to a captive audience who are sitting through the whole thing stunnedm waiting if there's any other mention of their JW relative. Seems all that's important is recruiting more members. Crazy...

[humanityandhistory]

Things people say to us when they are in Denial :

"No, we are not like that at all, you have been mis-informed about us"

"People spread lies about us, because they are bad/proud/rejected/PartOfDevil­sWorld"

If you were in the place of somene selling you something, would you admit the dark and hidden side waiting there for a recruit after the 'honeymoon period' ends and it is too late to do anything about it?

Would you warn that there is no legitimate way of leaving, once recruited?

[humanityandhistory]

These 'feelings shared with the world' (as you put it, marqueligson) have been reported to me by several active watchtower-followers who are still faithfully serving this man-made organisation after many decades, they are too scared to speak out publically.

And before anyone asks: No. I had already given my word, to never to reveal their identity, not under any circumstances.

[plokoon100]

hey humanity, in your video at 1:05 you say that when Jehovah's witnesses celebrate the death of Jesus, why do you call it morbid.

I mean, Jesus did tell his disciples to remember that night in which he was killed. He tells us right there to commemorate his death.Why is that morbid?

[humanityandhistory]

Everywhere on god's earth for millenia, good familes still celebrate the day of bringing into our lives special people, whether they are daughters, grandaughters, sons, and those who have been before us who contributed so much for the quality of our life that we are grateful for. One such special person had gave all of mankind the lord's prayer, which most of us learned at school: tolerance, understanding, forgiveness.

Isn't the day Jesus came into the world special enough to celebrate ?

[plokoon100]

You know that makes sense, you are absolutely right.

But Jesus did not tell us to celebrate his birth in the first place. I think if Jesus' birth was to be celebrated he would of told his disciples to do it. Right? That would make more sense.

Also, I find it very interesting that nowhere in the Bible does it record Gods Servants celebrating and rejoicing the day they were born.

In fact The only people who celbrated thier birthday were Pharaoh, King Herod and some one else. Not gods servants

[humanityandhistory]

Mankind is writing the 'bible' now, not dead people from millenia ago. Mankind is doing it, whether it is by selectively quoting scriptures for any desired effect, or by the printing of 'aids' to scripture 'understanding'. This is done through organized religion, in a pyramid-shaped authoritarion leadership structure with the 'pope' in New York, the world centre of systematic mass marketing.

So I repeat the question: Isn't the day Jesus came into the world special enough to celebrate ?

[plokoon100]

It is, only thing is birthdays stem from pagan worship that cleary goes against God.

[humanityandhistory]

Goes against god? Pagan worship? Where on earth had that come from? The moon? Who says?

Like I said, Everywhere on god's earth for millenia, good familes celebrate the day of bringing into our lives special people, daughters, grandaughters, sons, and those before us who contributed to the quality of our life and we are grateful for.

The whole of mankind has roots in pre-christian customs, even the pagans would of taken it from earlier civilisation.

And what is wrong with Pagans?

[howbaduwantme]

Dude Ive never paid for a watchtower or  bible from the wittnesses

[humanityandhistory]

You have to think outside of immediate monetary terms. I personally know a follower of the watchtower who has given over 10K hours alone placing watchtower material, after being led to believe by the watchtower that the world would most definately end in 'just a few years'. Now equate her 10K+ hours into $£ wages.

In marketing there is a thing called a 'loss leader', (look it up on wikipedia). Drug pushers also do a similar thing, where they would offer 'freebies' to get the person 'hooked'.

[calilabella]

I wonder as a Christian I've learned for instance that worship, prayer,fasting,comunion, the things Jesus says are powerfull weapons to defeat de evil, JW's wont do it. I belive is more evil cult than Christian.

[humanityandhistory]

calilella, you just made a very good point there.

[trappedwarrior]

You are 100% correct. JWs will not reason with you or use logic if you bring up something that is even remotely opposed to what their Watchtower teaches. They refuse to debate it and, if you pursue it further, they will label you as an APOSTATE.

[humanityandhistory]

Experts tell us that members of a cult, hcg or destructive organisation are mentally conditioned to avoid situations where they may find themselves having negative thoughts about the doctrines they think are true. That way they stay deluded.

If they find themselves losing a 'debate' because it's an argument they are not programmed with, they believe it is the devil getting the better of them. That is why they are quick to call people that don't take sides with them names like 'child of satan'

[retrim1]

how can something made up of almost 7 million people be a cult!!!!!!!!!!!

[humanityandhistory]

1500 million in Islam (fastest growing)

900 million in Hinduism

400 million in Bhuddism

15 million in spiritism (not inluding watchtower)

2000 million are christians (including watchtower)

[plokoon100]

What,... are all these cults then?

Tell me humanity whats a cult?

[humanityandhistory]

I am not completely 100 % sure yet, as I am still learning about them. If you do some research please you're welcome to come back and help me learn more. In meantime try my video "What is a HGC?"

[humanityandhistory]

hi plokooon :-) have you had time to identify the major hallmarks of a cult yet? A good place to start is googling for these phrases: "demand for purity" "milleu control"  "dispensing with existence"

[plenty2say]

I wasted 20 years of my life as a JW and have seen first hand the things you speak about. I will thoroughly enjoy watching posting comments on your videos. Thanks for your work!

[humanityandhistory]

Approval request 02 May 08 denied in line with this channel's policy for acceptable comments.

Policy breach detail: quoting holy bible passages

Examples of acceptable text are:

1. points of view concerning any the issues in this video

2.Expressions of personal belief or holy bible interpretation, provided it is not presented as 'the truth', but is open to debate and critical examination if anyone wishes to.

[plokoon100]

hey you know what, why am i even bothering. See that Invite that was in your hand. Guess what it means, it means you were "given a witness" you saw Jehovah's Witnesses, they talked to you, wheter or not you change is up to to. Matt 24:14 says "And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come." well you have had that witness i only pray you choose the better side of the deal...

[humanityandhistory]

From now on I am going to introduce a rule practiced by professional, academic & scholarly discussion groups. This rule encourages intelligent debate, prevents circular reasoning and unneccssary polarisation.

From now on this rule applies to these comments :

No proslytising or preaching. No ku'ran, bible, or other 'holy book' quotations (since they are seldom, if ever quoted in the right context)

Any postings which contain the above shall be deleted without prior warning.

[humanityandhistory]

"..why am i even bothering.."

plookon knows full well the 'flyer' is an ongoing process to recruit members to replace those realised it's a con.

The continual life sacrifices watchtower church people make, commitments made, the life they give up, the total length of journey made so far... they dare not ever ask themselves whether this could influence the path they are chosing. The fact is, watchtower people always will: wait, wait, hope, wait, grow old, DIE, before any 'armageddon' comes

[plenty2say]

Seeing a JW at someone's door is of NO significance. JWs do not represent God in any way. They represent a clandestine group of book publishers who are making BILLIONS through literature sales (at no expense to them because the "salespeople" work for free) and real estate purchases (paid for by members of their "Kingdom Halls"). I was a JW for 20 years and know the inner workings of the WTS VERY WELL.

[humanityandhistory]

"(at no expense to them because the "salespeople" work for free)"

Has anyone ever equated hours spent over a decade of serving the organiZation into an equivalent salary?

I understand that(someone please correct me if I am wrong), in 10 years service they will have put in about 20,000 hours of time, at hourly rate of say $10, so someone who has spent their life could easily be 'worth' $1 million to the organiZation.

Some may say "selling your soul to the devil", but I think it's just sad

[humanityandhistory]

So there you have it readers... proof that watchtower followers do believe that jesus is only a created angel, and that means... yes you guessed it, NOT a god by definition.

You know, reputable theologians and bible scholars tell us it was Mankind that had gave a name for 'son of god'.

Gods don't have names, why should they?, they are immortal.

Only created things have (brand) names. Including false gods.

[humanityandhistory]

So do watchtower followers beleive that jesus christ was just 'created' or is he a son of god, complete with all the respect that a god deserves?

Why did the watchtower organised religion have to resort to 1. breaking greek rules of grammar, 2. take inspiration from a spiritualist in order to lead its followers to beleive jesus is created?

[humanityandhistory]

So were you created,

or given birth to?

then how can a created thing be a 'god'?

[plenty2say]

Exactly! JWs insist that Jesus was created by God AND that Jesus was A GOD with power to create. JWs say that all things were created through Jesus. This logic is completely twisted. Only a person who lacks critical thinking ability could believe this.

[humanityandhistory]

"Only a person who lacks critical thinking ability could believe this"

We find in watchtower mentality, critical thinking skills & rational debate are systematically suppressed, along with the way this mentality creepingly, insidually and systematically: supresses individuality and the unique-ness of the people who are following it. When the watchtower does this, people are easier to program with beliefs. Then they defend them as 'theirs' until they either snap out of this 'hypnosis' or die.

[humanityandhistory]

7. Quakers are spirit-directed

8. Johannes Greber & his wife were spiritualists, claimed to be in contact with spirit-world. His wife wore a mask so that she can make contact with spirits and 'hear' words that she wrote down, which became a spirit bible translation.

9. Their version John 1:1 is same as watchtower bible, complete with extra word 'a' before 'god', breaking rules of greek grammar

10. watchtower followers are so hypnotised, that reading a holy bible 'doesn't make sense' to them

[plokoon100]

Yes Created, Micheal did not come about by Chance but was CREATED by JEHOVAH GOD...DIRECTLY, only by JEHOVAH and No ONE ELSE.

[humanityandhistory]

Why use a brand name for OUR heavenly father?

Isn't using an exclusive brand name for something that we all have extremely selfish?

That's like demanding coca cola instead of cola drink, because only coca cola is the 'real thing'. Do you encourage an american name-branded product which is marketed as being the real thing, just because of the name branding and nothing else?

[plokoon100]

You still have no point you obviously have no knowledge of what your saying? Make sense buddy.

[humanityandhistory]

"You still have no point"

Notice readers the 'denial' coming from plookon?

So it's only 'son of god' that's been mentioned, do we take it then that there is no dispute with the rest of the video content as summarised below:

1. Always looking for the bad in everything outside their cult

2. Don't celebrate hardly anything at all

3. No reasoning with watchtower mentality

4. Breaks up families, cruel shunning etc.

5. Silent Lamb(s) in every congregation

6. No legitimate way of leaving

[plokoon100]

Well i would like to thank you for agreeing with me that Jehovah's Witnesses do hold fast to Bible Truth and Standards.

[humanityandhistory]

Most watchtower followers don't know that their special 'bible' has the diety of jesus surgically removed, among many other unbiblical translation 'errors'. The bible is so biased, that it completely changes the message of the bible into a religious pyramid scheme, of which there is only one thing that matters - recruiting more members to replace those that leave.

Text flows outwards from new york, money flows inwards in exchange. Watchtower church now worth an estimated $1.7 billion.

[chanBoss]

Hi my name is Steven, I'm so British, I shit the queen.

Since we all know no one will agree with each other, i will just use this topic, for my own amusement.

[humanityandhistory]

chanboss, where's a video of you speaking, so I can return you the compliment :-)

[plokoon100]

What did i just read under this vid info that you say that Jehovah's Witnesses do not belive that Jesus is God's Son?!?!? Listen, and listen well, JESUS IS GOD'S SON. And that is a truth that Jehovah's Witnesses hold very WELL.

[humanityandhistory]

"JESUS IS GOD'S SON"

Prove that he's not a created 'angel' then.

[plokoon100]

He is a created angel. He was the first creation made from Jehovah God Directly. That is why Jesus is referred to as the only begotten, DIRECTLY MADE FROM GOD. Jesus did exist in heaven prior coming to the earth. His name in the bible as a spirit creature is MICHEAL the ARCHANGEL.

[humanityandhistory]

while we are waiting for plokon100 to prove that jesus is NOT a created angel.

1. Members of the watchtower church will interpret this all as being 'the work of the devil'

1. The watchtower church has a special 'tweaked' bible which had the diety of christ surgically removed during a 'translation' from the greek

2. Basic rules of greek grammar were regulary broken by the watchtower, such as adding words

3. The translation of John 1:1 was inspired by a spiritualist who heard 'voices'

[plokoon100]

You make no sense i am saying JESUS WAS CREATED IN HEAVEN As MICHEAL THE ARCHANGEL BY JEHOVAH.

[humanityandhistory]

so is he a god or created then?

[plokoon100]

Honestly, is there something wrong with you. Jesus was C R E A T E D.

[humanityandhistory]

Majority of qualified bible scholars & reputable theologians worldwide tell us nowhere in a holy bible does it ever say that: 'son of god was a created angel'.

They also tell us the 'special' bible plookon quotes from has the diety (full god status) of christ surgically-removed during 'translation', breaking laws of greek grammar. Extra words have been added and translation tweaked to make it look like it's 'meant to' look like it, was only meant to be temporary fix before 'armageddon' came

[humanityandhistory]

As a son, I myself am given the same respect given to my father. But watchtower primary sources show their followers too used to give the same respect to Son of God as given to Our Heavenly Father, but the watchtower society tried to cover it up with mis-information. More 'society' skeleltons are coming out & they can't escape this information age of the 21st century. The watchtower has gone beyond its sell-by date.

[humanityandhistory]

Or in other words, wacthtower followers were ordered in the 1940's by this organised religion to pay Jesus Christ full respect and to worship him as Christians, quoting Hebrews 1:6 with the words 'worship Him' as it appears in every holy bible.

This is routinely covered up by watchtower elders, without ever admitting any of the above ever took place.

Watchtower primary sources available.

[humanityandhistory]

4. To ensure that people beleive that jesus is a created angel & not a son of god, greek words meaning the same thing had been translated to a different meaning, according to whether it applies to jesus or not.

5. The programmed hypnosis a member of the watchtower church has that prevents him or her seeing things in the right context, is called a 'faithful slave'.

6. This hypnosis is demonstratable; the wathtower follower will not 'see' certain words in a bible, even when they staring at it!

[plokoon100]

Listen Sir i dont know where you get your facts from but you need to stop googling Jehovah's Witnesses in search of legit info. As you may not know Jehovah's Witnesses do not have anything to do with anything PAGAN. Where does the idea of birthdays come from...wow all id did was search birthday orgin and what does the first site say.Birthday celebrations are actually rooted in paganism. Look it up.

[humanityandhistory]

"do not have anything to do with..."

Typical American sticking of 'labels' on people and demonisation.

The ironic thing is Pagans today are at the forefront of peacful demonstrations & activism against damage to the environment such as CO2, and which are being taken notice of,

meanwhile, this bible-based pyramid scheme based in america is selfishly burning masses of fuel up in cars attending FIVE! meetings every week, as well as car travel for compulsory recruiting activities.

[humanityandhistory]

And another ironic thing is: Pagans consider their children so precious, that they don't let them die by refusing life-saving medical treatment,

meanwhile this bible-based pyramid scheme in america is selfishly killing their children, because noone in this cult has the guts to speak out and say that the bible might possibly be taken out of context. They'd rather stay brainwashed, because ignorance is bliss.

[humanityandhistory]

"...get your facts from..."

1. Watchtower primary sources

2. Watchtower followers with doubts (increasing numbers each week)

3. Reputable scholarly research establisments

And even though watchtower DO participate in other customs and rituals associated with a group of people in history they derogaratively 'label' as pagans.

This is another reason why they hardly celebrate anything in life at all, just in case it's traceable in some distance past to a group of people not in their cult

[chanBoss]

Dude your 'Tripping Balls', i don't even understand what you just said.

[humanityandhistory]

Thanks for the feedback. :-) I added more words to it. Does it make more sense now?

[chanBoss]

LOL blood transfusion are so 1995. We got 'cell saver' now.

SAGE

[humanityandhistory]

Cell Saver... had been developed in response to the beliefs of organized religion.

This same organisation (mentioning no names) has been:

1. Founded on biblical loopholes & misinterpretations

2. Its evolution had been specifically engineered by an ex-door to door encyclopedia salesman and ruthless lawyer called Judge J F Rutherford around the 30's

3. This organization has enough financial clout to hire the best lawyers in the world in its legal battles to protect its 'name'

[plokoon100]

Hunmanity and History, do yourself a favor and set some time aside from slandering good peoples names and reasearch the facts on blood less surgery. If you get a legitimate source you will find that not only people who DO NOT TAKE IN BLOOD, moslty JEHOVAH's WITNESSES, not only have a SHORTER hospital stay, they Cost the hospital LESS MONEY, and also FURTHER TECH. ADVANCEMENT. as for MORTALITY RATES. compared with patients who take blood, the RATES are the SAME!! if not LESS!!ok

[humanityandhistory]

Mary Williams aged 41, watchtower follower died after refusing treatment Mrs. M. L. Sierra, died after another JW disconnected her transfusion catheter Robert Pelzek, died aged 22, Wisconsin Joshua Walker 16, Canada Judith Riberas 14, Spain Marcos Vallés 13, Spain John Perricone aged 3 New Jersey Elihu Canle aged 2, Spain Kelsey Crockford aged 2, Houston Buck Parker, aged 1 day, (before hospital able to obtain court order) parents all watchtower followers

[humanityandhistory]

Tully Ioannides was aged 18, Brisbane, Australia Brendon Hood, aged 4 Dina Mainz aged 24, Denmark Elena Godlevskaya aged 17, Riga, Latvia Emelie Grootjes aged 19, Poole General Hospital England. unnamed woman aged 83, Norway. Transfusions refused. Cathy Grenci aged 34, Ontario, Canada Alexander Bazowsky aged 5 Tony Mendez 1995 at Arroyo Grande Community Hopsital Tammy Schultz aged 26, Oregon The list of child sacrifices for a brand-name god goes on and on and on.

[humanityandhistory]

The irony is that Pagans today are at the forefront of caring for the environment, they actively campaign against CO2 emissions, they love their children and would not kill them for 'religion'.

Meanwhile a selfish "brand-name for god" cult based in america, burns fossil fuel up attending 5 meetings a week and compulsory recruiting activities, holding their kids to ransom and threatening to kill them, to force the medical establishment into developing 'kosher' blood transfusion technology.

[humanityandhistory]

"slandering good people's names"?

Are you kidding? These 'good people' would love to be 'slandered', but they are dead, killed before the end of their natural life cycle. All because they were too scared to accept medical treatment, after having phobias implanted by the evolution of psychological coercion techniques, developed from brainwashing and nazi propaganda.

So noone can go against it: it was 'based' on a bible verse taken out of context (in this case by NOT taking it literally).

[humanityandhistory]

Have you noticed how cult members are too scared to look at perfectly valid questions they are asked, because looking at these questions might bring on 'dangerous' negative thinking? (no doubt 'coming directly from the devil')

[humanityandhistory]

Have you also noticed that members of the watchtower church are almost always consistently atrocious at being able to spell words correctly or to be able to use english grammar effectively? I think it's in the bible somewhere 'by its fruits a tree is known' In this case, rotten fruit!

[ElderJoseph]

Good Point,this is what I have experienced associating with Jw's and Mormons,Both groups teach that doubts come from the devil.

Mormons are taught to avoid any source of information causing doubts ? And Jw's too , no suprises there.

[humanityandhistory]

But as everyone with sense knows, if something is legitimate and valid enough, it will stand up to scrutiny and examination and without any concern of one being put off if one does do this.

One should be suspicious if criticism and questioning are met with evasion, smokescreens and other trickery to avoid rational debate.

Otherwise it's just passive acceptance by default of concepts which are specifically packaged to sound appealing and believeable and virtually no other reason.

[ElderJoseph]

I've been watching your very interesting videos and learning from them,

I wondered ,were you ever a JW ?

I was nearly duped by them as a youth,Do you know anything about the Mormon Church?

I believe they use similar methods of control and alot of what you apply to the Jw's can be applied to them also,

[humanityandhistory]

No sorry, I was never a JW, Mormon, Moonie, ICC, BCoC, etc. though I do know several people over many decades who had been led to believe they found the 'fountain of youth'. Mormons have a very similar mind control. The study of the watchtower is very revealing of human nature in cults, allows us to understand much and there's always been 'technology transfer' both ways in marketing and advertising. Man creates god in his own image, in this case: brand marketing, propaganda, mind control etc.

[humanityandhistory]

I believe you may be able to help me with my research elderjoseph. I'm looking for specific examples of how different faiths describe the 'sensation' or 'presence' of being 'close to god', some describe it as a 'warm glow' feeling etc.

What's particularly very mean-spirited about the watchtower church, is the way this spiritual 'feeling' is branded with an exclusive brand name. It then becomes 'spiritual brand loyalty' and of course it can be exclusively marketed as if it was a product.

[humanityandhistory]

Not only is the intangible spirituality of the cult member 'branded' with a name adopted by the watchtower since the 30's, the JW cult members also subconciously behave as though they are god, since they are intentionally made to share the same registered trademark brand name. Incidentally, in their modified 'bible' the capitalisation of the words 'god' and 'you' have been transposed, so that you becomes YOU, and LORD becomes an exclusive brand name adopted by the watchtower in the 30's onwards

[ElderJoseph]

I'm not sure I am a good canditate,I was nearly duped as a youth by the Jw's,It affected my life because I was certain I knew the Truth ? Little did I know I had been mind conditioned by lies and deception until some years later,Since then I've been very 'analytical' of any faith claiming to be the only true one etc.

[ElderJoseph]

I remember being able to put aside any good logic presented to me by opposers until such a time that it was overwhelming ,I think the obvious deceptive tactics,cover ups and sheer Double Talk and Hippocracy of the Watchtower was what did it for me.

[humanityandhistory]

quote:

"This may sound odd. I remember feeling liberated from fear when I stayed up all night once. I wasn't afraid of the dark, but I believed that Satan's demons were active in the night: My mother had told me my Dad was demonized one night, I'd heard stories of brothers who'd had visits from the demons in the night and the bible told similar stories. I realized that the world was the same in the night as it was in the day. Sunrise was beautiful. How naïve I was. Now I sleep well at night"

[mcv333]

i believe in God,,,what's your point?

where did you get the information about history?

[humanityandhistory]

mcv please elaborate on your questions? :-) Thanks

Are you asking about the primary sources that I'd shown in the video? (they were printed by a genuine watchtower church printing press)

[humanityandhistory]

You're not alone by the way mcv, billions more good people on mother earth beleive in and respect god. But some man-made organisations (notably the watchtower since the 20th century) have 'branded' that warm glow 'presence' feeling which all good people get when they are close to god.

[0JayF0]

i already said (but from some reason i didn't wame on the page) ...

lol i'm not gonna response to that

now i know how much youre brainwashed with nonsense

good day

[humanityandhistory]

JayF Are you saying there may be something in this carefully researched consumer advice film which is untrue? (despite several others agree it is was very accurate)

Which particular issue(s) do you think are incorrect?

[humanityandhistory]

Have you noticed folks how when a cult member doesn't have ready-programmed response to a question, they walk away? the watchtower church discourages 'independent thought' because they believe 'demons' can get into their minds and give them negative thinking that might make have terrifying doubts. These 'demons' are more than 'things that go bump in the night' they are full-blown watchtower demons and these often don't depart when the 'brand name' god is called, since it's a false god.

[misshunnychile2k7]

good video about this cult i am an ex jw i walked away from it. this org is so corrupt with masonic connections as well it is really just a multi billion dollar scam. it is a sham that the jws themselves do not and dont want to realise this they beleive they have to earn thier slvation ia this org. and have to do as the 12 old men in brooklyn tell them.

[humanityandhistory]

hi misshunny you might be interested in seeing the other videos on this channel. also see websites 'sixscreensofthewatchtower dot -com' and 'randytv dot-com' they are written by ex-bethel elders

[humanityandhistory]

JayF has still not said anything convincing.

So, JayF, what exactly is this 'good news' then? does it involve behaving like a cult or a pyramid scheme?

[humanityandhistory]

"...don't celebrate his death at all.."

Surely, isn't the 'memorial' (<watchtower's choice of word, not mine) in fact a celebratory gathering with a ceremony?

The dictionary definition of the word: 'celebration' (in the religious context) specifically mentions a ceremony.

[humanityandhistory]

"-we don't search proof"

A desire to 'search for truth/proof' is an inbuilt part of human nature that we all have and can be taken advantage of to our detriment. The trouble is people often think that there is only 'one truth' and fail to consider alternative viewpoints.

So with some people, they have a constant desire through their life to 'see' bad, since seeing bad in the 'world outside' is a way of rationalising the effects of intense brainwashing they have been exposed to.

[humanityandhistory]

"proof things are wrong in the world"

what things are wrong in your life today?, Are you a native american in the 16th century who has lost most of his/her family through diseases brought in by european settlers? Are you a medieval peasant landworker with an empty stomach who works 12 hours a day for almost nothing? The standard of living today by billions in the west is the same as enjoyed by the richest kings of biblical times. Are you not blessed by god?

[0JayF0]

first of all, if you know WHY we don't celebrate it youll understand it then,

-we don't celebrate his death at all

-we don't search proof, there is proof things are wrong in the world

-and people are not gonna die cause they don't go to our kingdom hall...not at all,but i'm gonna type a whole "book" of it so..

[0JayF0]

i meant i'm NOT gonna type a book of it,would be to long to expalain it,..

-and what's with the "important thing" ??

with that you said you acually don't kno anything of it,we are goin from house to house to tell the good news, that there's something good is going to happen, not to get money from people,that's pure nonsense you just said..i've not seen the whole vid.cause i know you just said thing are so wrong

btw if you need proof,read the bible if you can understand it of course

[humanityandhistory]

Ok then, let's assume for a moment the memorial is not a celebration (of death). Is there any other celebrations at all that followers of the watchtower participate in? What would happen if a watchtower church, say in the UK decided they were going to celebrate 40th birthdays and supported the local community by doing charity work at xmas time? What would happen?

[humanityandhistory]

"...read the bible if you can... "

The video shows a page from a watchtower bible about 3/4 way through.

(to those of you unfamiliar with watchtower theology, through organisation systematic bias applied during translation, the watchtower had removed the true diety of christ!, it's rather like taking the beef out of a burger and then still calling it a real 'big mac')

[humanityandhistory]

"we are goin from house to house to tell the good news"

Notice the 'the' in front of 'good news', as if the person is so absolutely 'sure of it'.

So what then JayF is this 'good news' ??

Does it involve behaving like a cult?

[humanityandhistory]

Notice readers... members of a cult will not answer these perfectly valid questions, since they are too scared in case it gives them negative thoughts (which they beleive are directly from the devil)

[andy2550525]

I like you vid. I have a Sister who is a JW so you didn't really tell me anything new. It's sad that everyone will be celebrating my Mother's 75 birthday without her. You're right, they tear families apart. How good of a life is she having being brain washed into thinking everyone non believer she loves is doomed?

[humanityandhistory]

How such a person rationalises in their head the fate of their loved ones, always seems strange to me. They 'know' that the non-believers are doomed for eternity, yet somehow, they convince themselves there is 'hope' for the 'non-believers' by telling themselves things like: "noone enjoyed the birthday party really", "god knows their hearts & they'll realise nearer the time" Remember... Family Love can be stronger than conditional 'group-love'.

[SteelyD]

It's strange, in her email explaining her position she mentioned how she looked forward to seeing our father when he's brought back to life. He wasn't a JW so what, they bring him back to life just to remind him he won't live for eternity?

Is there a new date when the world ends or did they realize it's better to just say it's around the corner than commit themselves to more false promises which would once again lead to millions coming to their senses?

[SteelyD]

I attended a JW wedding and they sure put on a show. Not one person tried to openly convert me, but the smothering of false love from total strangers with that lost look in there face was enough to keep me on the defensive. In my strong opinion, that kind of love is very special and only EARNED over time.

My sister mentioned how she could go to any Kingdom Hall on earth an know whoever she met that they had a special "love" for each other. One of many obvious signs of brain washing.

[humanityandhistory]

I beleive the Nazis had the same kind of rapport to their own kind.

Something I notice, if you know one J-W, you know all of them, they all seem to have the same programming say same thing "..the state of the world... this system of things...." etc. act the same way, even have the same mannerisms in the voice.

[humanityandhistory]

Wedding is one thing, but a JW funeral is the one that needs to be researched. I hear it's a emotionless treatment of the memory of someone, I heard it was 3 mins about the person, then the rest of the 27 mins is a psychological recruiting opportunity to a captive audience who are sitting through the whole thing stunnedm waiting if there's any other mention of their JW relative. Seems all that's important is recruiting more members. Crazy...

[doctordonds]

well why r we fighting over religions, why r we accusig each other, the only thing that should matter is truth, just follow the truth and u would be performing ur role on earth, shouldnt wat u do is the thing that u should be concerned of???, end the war over religion and follow the truth u r taught without disgracing others religion,

[humanityandhistory]

doctordonds, noone here is fighting over religion. This video is a warning of a hidden agenda and deceptive recruiting of innocent and vulnerable people, often in a crisis or trauma. Into something that not what they were led to beleive, after a 'honeymoon' period ends, then they find there is no legitimate way of leaving.

How can you know for sure a 'truth' is really true?, it takes critical thinking, regular reality checks. Vulnerable people often 'go with the flow' instead and get hooked.

[humanityandhistory]

Something I'm sure we've all noticed, whenever a bible or ku'ran is introduced, if you don't want passive acceptance it just polarizes debate and turns people against each other.

So why bring the bible or ku'ran into anything in the first place if it just turns people against eachother ?

[humanityandhistory]

Followers honestly believe they are following christ, but in reality they are actually following specially-constructed interpretations of mis-applied bible verses, primarily to motivate the faithful believers into building a pyramid scheme with 2007 net assets believed to be worth $1.8 billion. Regular recruitment and literature placement activity reports have to be filled out and there is annual minimum number of hours requirement which is checked and enforced by sheperding.

[humanityandhistory]

There is a hidden agenda luring you in under false pretences. Newcomers impressed by an apparent 'love' shown by the congregation (which is a front) seldom notice a gradual creeping indoctrination process being used.

Full exploitation made of human need to 'belong'. Newcomers are often drawn in because they are at some crisis or state of uncertainty in their life and looking for answers. Highly refined psychological processes developed during the 20th century.

[JWinCT]

We don't follow an organization. We follow Jesus. But we listen to the one group that Jesus did appoint back in his time to be here in our day, the faithful and discreet slave. They are not perfect, but are led by God's spirit to a complete understanding of God's inspired word. You should try a Bible study. So, we are NOT dedicated to an organization, we are only dedicated to our Creator, Jehovah God, and listen to his Son, Jesus. I will make no more comments to you.

[humanityandhistory]

JWCT had wrote: "...WE don't follow an organisation... "

The 2nd baptism vow all J-W's take pledges allegiance to a spiritualist-directed organisation, and NOT to god OR jesus.

Copy of this (and the 1st) vow all JW's take is shown in black and white on one of my other videos.

Peace and Wisdom to All.

S.

[JWinCT]

That's so ignorant a comment, it's not even worth wasting my time writing a response to your ignorance. So I won't.

[humanityandhistory]

That is not 'arrogant' it is a fact :-), published by the watchtower church.

The 2nd baptism vow all followers take pledges allegiance to a spirit-directed organisation, and not to god or jesus.

It's there in black & white, printed by the watchtower church, it's the 2nd vow taken at baptism, all true watchtower followers take this vow, that is "to be associated with a spirit-directed organisation", and not to god or jesus. If you don't beleive this, just ask a true watchtower follower. :-)

[0JayF0]

lol i guess i know more of it then you do,...but really i don't wanna talk anymore of it

if you wanna know the truth then ask for explanation instead of thinking what you think it's in the bible

[humanityandhistory]

" know more of it then you do"

OK JayF, I am asking you here and now for an explanation and you can tell the truth :-) is the 2nd baptism vow of the watchtower church any different to how I have worded it?

Are you actually saying JayF that the 2nd vow does not pledge allegience to a spirit-directed organisation?

[FunkEducationBand]

i didn't saw that part so i can't tell anything....and i won't anymore

this is my last post, you can try anything you want after this, i'm not gonna respond

and btw it's not watchtower church lol

it's / Jehovah's Witness Kingdom \

watchtower is just a paperwork to give to people who are interested cause of the good news

bye now

[FunkEducationBand]

btw it's still Jay F

[humanityandhistory]

Have you noticed how cult members are too scared to look at perfectly valid questions they are asked, because looking at these questions might bring on 'dangerous' negative thinking? (no doubt 'coming directly from the devil')

[humanityandhistory]

Whatever it's called, followers of it pledge allegience to a "spirit-directed organisation" in a carefully worded 2nd baptism vow.

No one is contesting this statement (or maybe too embarrassed about taking the vow), so it is true folks, this church is definately confirmed as being directed by 'spirits'.

The way that members of this church walk away too embarrassed to reply about this also confirms that something somewhere is not quite right in this church.

[humanityandhistory]

Here is JWinCT's comments examined with bible references:

"We follow Jesus" This appears quite a big LIE doesn't it?

How did jesus address our heavenly father? (clue: how we all address our male parent)

What did jesus invite ALL of humanity to do, which really annoyed a select few 'elite' few, who thought they are better than anyone else? (clue: the 1st 2 words of lord's prayer)

Would Jesus Christ approve of an american manmade organisation also trying to keep god to themselves?