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What he is saying in it is absolutely true. There are indeed very bad people who claim or who are christians. There are verses in the bible that are horrible.
But in the west we value our freedom of speech and criticism is a necessary part of progress. Nobody is going to be suicide bombed as a result of making this video.
People may get angry, they will disagree, but no one's going to die or have to live under constant guard because of it.
Stay out of the past and show me what you see now???? Still to this day, Islam spread by the sword and Christians & Jews are being Killed. I challenge you to find Christians spreading Christianity this way. You will not find it. If you can, prove it. I can prove Islam killing daily for Jihad. (the struggle)
If you would look to history you would see that these strange Muslim terrorist attacks are new; since more or less 40 years.
After more than 1000 years of cruelty of Christianity these 40 years are nothing. The only thing I hope is that these terrorists look into history and take an example to the Treaty of al-Hudaybiyyah in 630 made by the Prophet (saws). Saladin took an example of it in 1187.
Christians still kill people by forbidding condoms in Africa.
@rlhubbard1964 the entire christian religion was spread by the sword are you kidding me?&you persecuted jews&non christians trewout europe from 5 ad to 1920 ... ever hear about the roman empire ? u dumbass ...don't u even say the word jihad your iq is to low..first learn some history and then learn how you occupied our lands the last 80 years then come talk about jihad and christians or jews being killed ps bible revelations chapter 3 verse 4 jezus pbuh says "israil is the synagogue of satan"
@TurkishMujahid Stay out of the past and show me what you see now???? Still to this day, Islam spread by the sword and Christians & Jews are being Killed. I challenge you to find Christians spreading Christianity this way. You will not find it. If you can, prove it. I can prove Islam killing daily for Jihad. (the struggle) You have no idea what you are talking about. You are bound to Islamic propaganda and have no real knowledge of the truth. You would be wise to study real history & take heed.
@rlhubbard1964 seems you know too less about "Today"'s christianity. listen.
in africa, the absurd witch-hunt is still on the stage. you can google it. the preacher persuaded the parents of those "little witches"--mostly young girls-- to throw vitriol on their body and face to do "exorcism", that killed many girls.
(continue) what more interesting,a lot of posts telling about this was deleted in the name of "protect". do not forget the preacher's curse against the Haitian earthquake, what did they say? is really christianity is a religion of love ?
@rlhubbard1964 (continue), let's now have a philosophy thinking, what means "past" and "now". everything happens "past",everything in your memory is "the past", no matter how long it passed away. the past can alarm us when we do something wrong, that means the longer the "past" passed away, the weaker its effect on alarming. Christianity's black history passed away, long, christians today do not remember it at all, so we see a lot of self-claimed right christians every day.
@rlhubbard1964 (continue), how do people think about the NATO troops killing civilians in Iraq and Afghan, because of christianity? why you blame islam for 911? the 911 attackers even not from saudi government, but the NATO killers all from government. is that for so-called justice? Christian justice? I have seen so many people who only pretend to be religious, they only want God to back upon them when do wrong things, hope you are not one of them
@rlhubbard1964 Where are Muslims forcing people to become Muslim? Suicide bombings in the occupied Palestine are not ment to convert people, but because Palestinians want their country back.
9-11 is not ment to convert, but revange for all the occupations and interfering in the Muslim-countries. BTW Many Muslims, councils and I condemn these attacks.
So please tell me, where are Muslims converting by the sword?
Listen -- You can post ancient history all you want. Let's come into reality here... I can show you violence in fundamentalist Islam happening everyday against Christians & Jews. I would like you to show me Christians (not governments) Christians doing violence against muslims everyday. You will not find it. But if you can prove it do so. If not I think you need to apologize for the propaganda of this video.
@rlhubbard1964 did you not watch the whole thing? At the end he does say that his film is crap, just like Wilders film (the one this is in reply to) is crap. As he says, is easy to pick verses from both the Bible and the Quran and provide images of people dying and killing to go with him.
He doesn't need to apologize because his whole point is that movies like Wilder's one are propaganda, they are crap.
Again, I have read my history and if you can prove Christianity is spread by the sword other than do it because the only "christians" that did this were the Crusades run by the Roman Catholic church. Governments do not qualify as "christian" only Christians qualify. If you can't PROVE that christianity is spread by the sword -- DO NOT say what you cannot prove.
Islam is spread by the sword and history proves it. Other than the Crusades and the actions of the Serbians you will not find those calling themselves Christians doing this thing. You cannot say a government of the usa is christian because it is not. This nation of the usa is full of heathens and those who say they are christians but are not. I am a christian. Christians do not evangelize by "the sword" for "the sword" is the word of the Living God Himself.
If the government of the USA is not Christian,so please remember the government of Saudi-Arabia is not Muslim.
There are also Christians who spread the word by the sword.
In the beginning of the Muslim empire it was forbidden for non-Arabs to become Muslim.... And how is it possible that the Mongols took over the Muslim empire and converted into the religion of the nation they just defeated? Please read your history better.
The movie doesn't want to discuss history, but how to live together.
When you see those imams saying "kill them", "they must be killed", "they must burn", there is not much to contextualize.
While the Bible is just a book, an ancient book, those words come from the mouth of people who should lead a community. There is no need for context here. Go to any kind of church, of any religion other than islam, in any other part of the word, and let's see if you hear spiritual leaders saying crap like that.
You did not choose priests because you could not find anyone behaving like that. That's why you used the kid, and those British soldiers. Because, for sure, you would have used anything to support your views.
I didn't use priests, because I think it's not necessary to make clear what I want to make clear.
Luke 18:15-17 and child abuse by priests... You can let people think there is any connection. It's the same between violence and Islam. You just read what you like to read.
I think you have problems with replacing yourself in a other time and other culture.
Ancient Greek man had sex with boys... In the Dark Ages people were burned for being a witch, Mary II of England got engaged when she was 15, Inca's were carrying dead Kings to their parties...
Are these people sick? Or do you think that your way of living is the only correct way?
In Somalia, we used to give food and toys to those kids. Well, the following day the threw stones to us. Moreover, they usually hide guns, carry general staff, deliver messages etc...
Over there children are not so innocent.
Of course, those British soldiers should have behaved in a different way.
Yes, they just want our money, and food. It is nice to get the food, and throw stones. Why do not they refuse food then? Why accepting alimentary support by the invaders?
Islam is spread by the sword and history proves it. You neglect to show the history of Islam doing the same, however, you also neglect to show Christians spreading Christianity by the sword -- You will not find it. So do not live in your PAST HISTORY because I can prove the history still being made today of Islamic Fundamentalists Killing Christians & Jews still to this day. No more ancient history -- let's talk about the present day!
I consider Cannibalism, that is part of a religion in New Guinea, compared to its self wonderful and perfect.
But if those guy's come and live in my town, and start eating my neighbors then i do compare it to my (local) believes and think that eating my neighbors is not a good idea.
the same with islam comming to the west
islam claims peace and superiority on false grounds, compared with my local believes.
all believes are local islam is a local believe here, so its valid to compare it to my own believes. and no not everything is as worth while or good. Fitna is true. and you may like that or not. if you think wife beating is nice, and killing non muslims as a muslim is good, then fitna is still true. fitna shows what is. regardless nice or not. but i know islam is not nice nor peaceful. and certainly does not teach its followers to respect others who dont believe in islam. that is also true
Qur'an is the last revelation of God in which He describes about the previous people who recieved the message of God and how then, they either became rebellious (Like Jews ) or went astray in taking Jesus as a son of God..
So God warns the last generation of the reciever of revelations,to be careful and not to imitate the previous generations.
There is no hatred in Qur'an. Muslims are not supposed to hate anyone but only be mindful of their own deeds.
Please, respect others people religion. Hate and genocide starts with the way you talk now. Hitler started his hate campagne against Jews not in 1939.
Muslims believe that all previous revelations were from God and if they differ with Qur'an in certain aspects then it is due to some change in previous laws by God Himself due to the need of change or some corruptions and interpolations by human beings done to previous scriptures
Qur'an is the preserver of the teachings of all previous prophets.That's why its' enemies try to spread rumours against it so as to create prejudice against its study.The simple soul who wants to acknowledge and worship God easily understand it to be a religion from God but the corrupt ones keep deluding others away from it by way of propaganda.
If I did not insult your way of living, then why are you insulting mine?
Indeed, the truth is not always pleasant. The question is: who is living in the fantasy world, you or me? I think you, you think me. No problem, let it go. Respect bro.
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So you think the things weren't insulting? And it's normal to talk in that way to people?
Are these the words you use in a discussion with your family and friends? Or is it just that you think you can say everything to an anonymus person on the Internet. I'm actually somebody as wel, you know.
I'm not using these words to you. You are free to use them, but I don't repeat them.
The truth is called Madrid, London, Nigeria where Catholic churches are burnt, and Christians are killed or menaced on a daily basis. That is the truth, and yes, that really hurts.
the chrisitains killed more people then anyone else in the history! ask your history teacher. example; masacre of the indians, jews (ww2), japan (nuclear bomb) , ira etc
But its forbids in the quran and not according to the torah and bible.
Islam spread its ideas with swords, no less than Christians did. Since you are asking me to read history, please, do it yourself to learn how Islam became the religion of many people.
Sura Al Baqarah 256: There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in God hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. God is Hearer, Knower.
Please tell me where and when in history people were forced to become Muslims.
Islam is the religion of poor countries, poor people, without food. Islam spread in Africa, and Asia, and is the religion of those countries where people die because they do not have aspirins.
You should be shocked about how Islamic countries improved their situation in the last century. You guys live how we lived in 1600.
well,u r about living in ur small world.look arround, u people lost ur job from US to australy,london. they have to wait more than 5 hours just to get a plate of bread to eat. islam was glorious more than 300 years,when u guy lived in the darkness in middle of nowhere. yes maybe its ur turn,but it wont last for more than 100 years. ur glory will over soon.islam is only for poor?dont u know how rich saudi is, how uea is?they can easily stop sending fuels, then u know wht can happen to u.
Actually it is already lasting for centuries, I am sorry for you. We have always been the center of the world. Without our scientists you would have been already died. In islamic countries there are 3 people over rich, and the 99.9% of people dies because of a headache. If you do not give them oil, you would die of hunger, because that is the only thing you have.
Why do you think you are the center of the world? In fact, I think at the moment China is the center of the world.
I also think that without the Arab (not Muslim) oil Western scientists can stop working.
If the West is really the center why aren't they helping Africa? I think the West is so much turned to itself it even doesn't realise it's not the center.
Wow, I was intrigued by your response. I looked up the Christian crusades and the Spanish inquisitions. I read that communism has killed over 100,000,000. Then I read up on Islamic violence. Wow!!!! Incredible that that religion is tolerated. In todays world there is no place for Islam. Without a doubt it should be contained. Please learn more about Islam because it is far from peaceful.
Tonebonetone, you read about Christian crusades, Spanish inquisitions, communism murders... and then you read about Islamic related violence. Please, tell me where and how many people died because of intolerance of Islam.
In a world where there is no place for people with a other sort of thinking I think it's a horrible world.
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What does this have to do with Christianity? This movie is pretty much made to try to contract "Fitna." No one can try to justify how fucked up islam is with desecrating western society. Plain and simple islam teaches barbaric actions.
what I wish is a world off all religious people, wether islam, christianity thats for everyone individual. no matter what religion people follow if they hold tight to it and follow it in the right way we will have a perfect world.
The vast majority of people in this world are just grinding away everyday and are just trying to get by. As this video (and the FITNA video) points out, there are fanatics everywhere. Wether it be the KKK, Hamas or the Aryan Nation, there are diluted psychopaths hiding in every corner of the world who are shitting in the pie. It can be attributed to so many things such as economic strife, or just a serious lack of education.
Thank you for demonstrating how violent and divisive religion is, and how pointless it is to unquestioningly follow scripture without evidence and in the mistaken belief that it is anything but man-made.
This video, far from being a point against Wilders, is yet another point against religion.
Fitna, Schism and Der ewige Jude focus on some details. I think these movies don't proove anything about religion, they only try to let people think bad about religion because of the details of some people.
Your Milltown Massacre footage shows sectarian killings between Catholics and Protestants, a plague in Ireland for a century. These were/are religiously motivated killings, involving firearms and bombs, and not isolated incidents between "some people".
But can you blame all Christians for these incidents? Can you blame the Chinese Christians the trouble in N-Ireland? Can you blame the Pope the murders of People's Temple? etc
No, you can't blame someone directly for murders they had nothing to do with, but if religious texts create artificial us-and-them scenarios based on falsehoods about divine beings who approve of this but not of that, then everyone who subscribes to those religions is partially responsible. The same could be said of people who voted in Buish and Blair, said nothing as they invaded Iraq, and then voted them in again.
The problem is there are Muslim Councils who made really clear these acts are against Islam. The weird thing is nobody knows these facts... Maybe it's not interesting for the media?
Oh, I agree, there certainly is an agenda to make Islam look really bad, but I'm outiside of that because to me it's a battle between Christianity, Judaism, and Islam: sometimes Christianity and Judaism, despite not trusting each other, band together against Islam.
Perhaps the problem is more cultural and traditional than religious, but then they're all tied together; I manly have a problem with the supernatural claims of religions.
Who cares what Muslim Councils say? That represent only the bad parts of Islam. Real Muslim people are not represented by this anti-free speech imbeciles, and there word does not define Islam, whcih is defined by the Koran and Hadith, readily available to people who know the MCB and friends are lieing.
Please google: Islamic Statements Against Terrorism
So you think Muslim Councils only represent bad parts of Islam?
I think you just focus on some people and organisation. Please do your own research in Muslim sources instead of listing to the hate preaching media and politicians.
"You can't have your cake and eat it". Either those statements against terrorism are the word of the religion (in which case reform and release a non-violent Koran or produce a pope-like figure as christianity does to prove you wrong) or individuals can still decide there own path and there is no unified word of Muslims, in which case, read the koran, it does advocate terrorism. Grow up, I research in factual sources, never in Muslim or Policical sources. I focus on Islam, never people.
Factual sources? In the Mediaeval time it was a fact the world was flat. Spontaneous generation was a fact untill Pasteur showed the world in 1860 it was not true.
Could you go through and read other comments i've made, I can't be bothered repeating myself, needless to say I couldn't care and don't know what the media does, especially in relation to Muslim Councils.Jumping on the paranoid "westerners" (i know many Muslim British Westerners, so grow up) media hates Muslims band-wagon is absurd when the Majority of Western News, especially in Britain and America is documentatedly PRO-Islam even when it doesn't deserve the credit.
I think I once mentioned the Muslim Council of British, because it's is easily the biggest, has has a working relationship with the British Government (including forcing tax payers to fund it before they were forced to accept it was too extreme), is very unrepresentative of the opinions of every Muslim I know and of course is very anti-British (anti-freedom of speech, freedom from relgion, the rule of law), but other than that I've made clear that I don't care about Muslim Councils.
Ahhh, so you contradict your previous points about Individual Muslim faith? Well in that case, Islam is once again in the realm of bad things, because all Major Muslim councils are abhorant to the freedoms of englishmen. Please try to be consistent, your lieing is an embarrassment to your "faith".
What are you gibbering on about? You can find the information yourself, start with their websites, then their press releases, then interviews with the members. Speech is the freedom most commonly and almost universally insulted by Councils. Muslim councils don't exist to do that and there is no place to research it, show me one reference to the Muslim Council of Britain in the Koran you idiot. I will not research your arbiatry definition of Islam, you do some research.
I hope you're not trying to imply that Wilders "blames all (Muslims)". He blames Islam, as I would blame Christianity for all that you have pointed out in this video. It's is the religion, not the people he ridicules, and fair enough, Islam is sick, possibly even more so than Judaism and definetly more than Christianity. You misunderstand the point entirely because you're misinformed by the Media, which, despite your lies is very very pro-Islam, and point out constantly what the MCB says.
Why do you think the Islam is sick? It's easy to say something and don't explain yourself.
If you search for some 'sick' details, also search for 'healthy' details and try to find the middle. If you still think Islam is sick, you are free to think so.
I'm waiting for your explanation, a set of statements constructed to describe a set of facts which clarifies the causes, pro and contra.
An individual with cancer, isn't going to be glad that they at least don't have malaria. Not that your comment made much sense regardless, healthy isn't the opposite of sick in that context. That and your attempts to cherry pick "nice" quotes as if they remove the existance of bad ones, makes your attempts to use technical grammar absolutely pathetic. As I have stated previously, if you believe what you are saying, then openly admit you adhere to a modified koran with only the "healthy" details.
In response to your question on sources (was it removed?) Perhaps you should learn what context is. There is no need for philosophy in defining a fact within an axiom. If I want information on legislation, I have to assume it exists, and it's not some medieval hypoethesis (though the history of the flat earth theory isn't quite how you understand ). In the same way, when looking for information on Islam, one can read the Koran, when looking for information on a Muslim I read quotes from them.
My friend I am sorry for you that you have so little information. You need to open your eyes and get out of the shackles of the American Zionist media.
only random footages stuck toghetter with no storyline to tell about the suposed wrongness of the bible. wihat fitna in fact does... make a better one or stop complaining
ignorance is blaming a group of people for one person in that groups action. we are all indivduals and created as individuals, and our actions are done individually and as individual people. we all have difrent views, difrent ways of thinking and we all take difrent paths in life, nobody is the same and nobody thinks alike. and a group of people dont think alike.
no, i am denying them, they dont exist in the quran. im just not talking to you cause you keep repeating yourself, second. the thing you pulled out are not in the quran so they might be hadiths and "hadiths" are "sayings" from people who talked to mohammad and walked with him and passed stories about him from generations to generations. hadiths are not always true, most muslims dont belive in hadiths because they are often fabircated and twisted throughout generations. they are like "rumors".
Maybe you didn't look around. The Crusaders did the same. The pope tells people not to use condoms and because million of innocent people fuck their selves to death, because they listen to him. That's thousands and thousands more then 9-11.
The KKK murdered people. In N.-Ireland people murder, because they have a different way of Christianity.
Jews want to stay in Israël and murdered a few months ago a thousand Muslim Palestinians... That's 1/5 of 9-11...
ok... we're talking about islam, and yes all those other groups are just as bad, but right now they arent what is threatening our freedom, radical muslim clerics who preach to hate the 'kuffaar' are.
there is a link to a very good video on pogueuk profile info, called Channel 4's Undercover Mosque; a dude recorded under cover muslim mosques for 4weeks. all these clerics that are saying islam is peace in public, in mosques were constantly preach hate towards non-muslims
That's so weird, I go every week to mosques, different mosques, I speak with almost alone Muslim people, every week I meet at least 5 new Muslim people... and never, no, never I met a Muslim who is preaching violence against non-Muslims.
first of all, in islam muslim are taught to respect and love christians and jews, because they are "ahil al kitab" which means "people of the book" they are people who belived in last revalations and prophets and gods messengers before mohammad.
second, "kuffar" or "infidels" or whatever, are not referd to christians or jews, but they are refered to people of the qoraish tribe, people who worshiped idols and statues and planets and things like that
you say that to us, but that does not change the fact that thats not what the clerics in europe are teaching... and dont take it out on me, im not making it up.
type in Dispatches - Undercover Mosque in google, and a video stored on google videos should come up in the results.
the european clerics constantly call the non-muslims 'kuffaar' and things like 'we hate the kuffaar'
again... im just saying what the reporter video taped, im tired of people blowing off about me being ignorent
thoes "muslim clerics" in europe are not the majority of muslims. if they want to missunderstand the quran and use it for thier own agendas, like hate or terrorism then its not in our hands. its in gods hands, they will burn in hell for it. god created us all equals, tan, brown, dark. muslim, christian, jew. arab asian or african, we are all gods children. and we were put on this earth to live together peacefuly.
The point is to prove that you can make anyone look bad if you depend on people's ignorance and copy half truths - FYI, this is a response to the dutch movie "Fitna". This is not to bash Christians.
undercover mosques? so what? you cant blame a whole group of people or religion because of what a few bad "muslims" do. there are people like that in every religion.
islam is truely a religion of peace, even the name "islam" means "peace" which comes from the word "salam" which comes from "salam o alykom" which means "peace be upon you". islam teaches that you need to do GOOD DEEDS to go to heaven, while christianity teaches that you already go to heaven cause jesus died for your sins.
The movie is not about Christianity or Islam... it's about taking parts of Holy Books out of context, instigate people, try to make people think some lies are true...
Please stop this discussion.
If God willed, He would have made you one nation, but that may test you in what He has given you, so strive as in a race in good deeds.
Muhammad approved of mass rape for himself and his henchmen too:
"So Muhammad began seizing their herds and their property bit by bit. He conquered Khaybar home by home...The Messenger took some of its people captive, including Safiyah bt. Huyayy, the wife of Kinanah and her two cousins. The Prophet chose Safiyah for himself." (Tabari VIII:116 & Ishaq:511). So, after he murdered her husband, Mo kidnapped and raped Safiyah, giving her 2 cousins to Dihyah. Slave-trader as well as rapist.
So, you're trying to say she was introduced to Mohammad through war with her tribe and later embraced Islam married Mohammad and became the mother of the believers (just a title there are no blood connection). Listen if you just have more twisting of facts and more lies spare me the headache.
What a load of rubbish! Muslim quote the koran to support what they do, nowhere in the film did anybody use the bible to support what they did. Fitna is right. I can say it is because I like many others study the koan and islam in general, and yes it is all it is claimed to be.
Did Mcveigh do it or was he set up? Many dispute the whole case against him. I don't know but others claim to. The KKK mad as they are are not trying to take over the world, muslims are. Don't even think of telling me they are not because I have been studyed islam for quite a few years and know they are. People can twist things to mean what they want in many cases but "kill the unbeliever" can mean only one thing. Islam states muslims must fight until only islam is recognised as a religion.
"kill the unbeliver"? first of all, islam teaches to respect muslims AND non muslims, ESPECIALLY christians and jews. in islam christians and jews are referred as "ahil al kitab" which means 'people of the book'. they are to be respected. "non believers" are not jews or christians, but people from the koraish tribe, people who worship idols and stones and the sun.
it is very clear that ur a bullshiter, u havent studied islam or even read the quran, so please stop posting ur ignorant shit here
Yes, the Koran teaches to murder non-muslims, and Muhammad perpetrated them too: Surah 8:7
"...cut off the roots of the Unbelievers." - Yusuf Ali translation
"...wipe the unbelievers out to the last."-Ahmed Ali translation
"...wipe them out to the last."-Tabari VII:29
"Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war." - Koran 9:5
So then why are christians in muslim countries abused and killed? Are the people doing this going against the koran?
Why does the koran say that in the last days "the stones will cry out there is a jew behind me kill him?
It is clear you are a liar and deliberately misquoting your own warriors manual. Why does your religion (cult) say the whole world must eventually become islamic? What about my choice?
Muslim countries don't excist, only countries with a majority of Muslims. In the only real Christian state in the world (Vatican City) there are no mosques. In Great Brittain the Queen is officially also the head of the Anglican Church. Great Brittain was involved with torture of people of Guantanamo Bay. Any relationship?
The H. Qur'an doesn't say this stone/jew-thing. Otherwise, please tell me where. (BTW it's a Hadith ;) so please do your research, maybe it's daief or even mawdoe')
Muslim countries do exist because in these countries people must b a muslim or die. If they leave islam they r to b killed. Stop feeding me crap. Ru saying there is a relationship between christianity and torture? Christianity says love ur neighbour, turn the other cheek, do good to those who hate u, love those who hate u etc. Islam says kill non-believers. The koran does say it but assumig it was a hadith then u have just admitted I was right that islam says it no matter where its said.
These are countries with a majority of Muslims. When Israel murders thousand Palestinians we can't blame the jews for it. When Iranian gouvernment hang some boys because of 'homosexuality' we can't blame Islam.
And of course some people abuse religion for these things.
BTW where is the love in I Kor 6:9-10, Rom 1:27-32, Hebr. 10:28 and I Kor 11:3?
My religion doesn't want any force in religion. Only God can let you convert to Islam. I can't let blind people see or deaf people hear.
My religion says even that on the Last Day there will be no Muslims (because God doesn't want us to see the horrible things which happens in the End, read the Bible Revelations for example). It's all Gods will, I'm sorry, I can't help it.
Its not YOUR religion. YOU had no choice, no decision in choosing YOUR religion. YOUR family taught you religion and so the cycle of STUPIDITY continues.
Watch "The Bible: A Manual for Genocide" on Vimeo.com /16189833
(YouTube have banned it!)
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IslamIsTheTruth99 1 year ago
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chopchopcrazy 1 year ago
Here is what the make of this video doesn't get.
What he is saying in it is absolutely true. There are indeed very bad people who claim or who are christians. There are verses in the bible that are horrible.
But in the west we value our freedom of speech and criticism is a necessary part of progress. Nobody is going to be suicide bombed as a result of making this video.
People may get angry, they will disagree, but no one's going to die or have to live under constant guard because of it.
Rantandreason 1 year ago
Religion is killing more then humans ever loved.
Anijacka 1 year ago 3
i agree with rlhubbard1964
RAZlaad 1 year ago
Stay out of the past and show me what you see now???? Still to this day, Islam spread by the sword and Christians & Jews are being Killed. I challenge you to find Christians spreading Christianity this way. You will not find it. If you can, prove it. I can prove Islam killing daily for Jihad. (the struggle)
rlhubbard1964 2 years ago
If you would look to history you would see that these strange Muslim terrorist attacks are new; since more or less 40 years.
After more than 1000 years of cruelty of Christianity these 40 years are nothing. The only thing I hope is that these terrorists look into history and take an example to the Treaty of al-Hudaybiyyah in 630 made by the Prophet (saws). Saladin took an example of it in 1187.
Christians still kill people by forbidding condoms in Africa.
looi313 2 years ago
I saw your movie on your channel: Geert Wilders FITNA 2 (Obsession FULL) Deel 1 van 9.
please watch the text on 0:53 in that movie. I agree completely.
looi313 2 years ago
Swiss politician Daniel Streich, who rose to fame for his campaign against minarets of mosques, has embraced Islam.
google it... Islam is not spread by the sword. Please tell me who became Muslim after force?
sura Al Baqara 256: There is no compulsion in religion.
looi313 2 years ago
blackwater
the christian missionaries in africa telling people their children are infected with demons
the war in iraq (partially)
And that's just today. Lets not even get into the past 2000 years of christian atrocity.
Rantandreason 1 year ago
@rlhubbard1964 the entire christian religion was spread by the sword are you kidding me?&you persecuted jews&non christians trewout europe from 5 ad to 1920 ... ever hear about the roman empire ? u dumbass ...don't u even say the word jihad your iq is to low..first learn some history and then learn how you occupied our lands the last 80 years then come talk about jihad and christians or jews being killed ps bible revelations chapter 3 verse 4 jezus pbuh says "israil is the synagogue of satan"
TurkishMujahid 1 year ago
@TurkishMujahid Stay out of the past and show me what you see now???? Still to this day, Islam spread by the sword and Christians & Jews are being Killed. I challenge you to find Christians spreading Christianity this way. You will not find it. If you can, prove it. I can prove Islam killing daily for Jihad. (the struggle) You have no idea what you are talking about. You are bound to Islamic propaganda and have no real knowledge of the truth. You would be wise to study real history & take heed.
rlhubbard1964 1 year ago
@rlhubbard1964 seems you know too less about "Today"'s christianity. listen.
in africa, the absurd witch-hunt is still on the stage. you can google it. the preacher persuaded the parents of those "little witches"--mostly young girls-- to throw vitriol on their body and face to do "exorcism", that killed many girls.
miloservic 1 year ago
(continue) what more interesting,a lot of posts telling about this was deleted in the name of "protect". do not forget the preacher's curse against the Haitian earthquake, what did they say? is really christianity is a religion of love ?
miloservic 1 year ago
@rlhubbard1964 (continue), let's now have a philosophy thinking, what means "past" and "now". everything happens "past",everything in your memory is "the past", no matter how long it passed away. the past can alarm us when we do something wrong, that means the longer the "past" passed away, the weaker its effect on alarming. Christianity's black history passed away, long, christians today do not remember it at all, so we see a lot of self-claimed right christians every day.
miloservic 1 year ago
@rlhubbard1964 (continue), how do people think about the NATO troops killing civilians in Iraq and Afghan, because of christianity? why you blame islam for 911? the 911 attackers even not from saudi government, but the NATO killers all from government. is that for so-called justice? Christian justice? I have seen so many people who only pretend to be religious, they only want God to back upon them when do wrong things, hope you are not one of them
miloservic 1 year ago
@rlhubbard1964 Where are Muslims forcing people to become Muslim? Suicide bombings in the occupied Palestine are not ment to convert people, but because Palestinians want their country back.
9-11 is not ment to convert, but revange for all the occupations and interfering in the Muslim-countries. BTW Many Muslims, councils and I condemn these attacks.
So please tell me, where are Muslims converting by the sword?
looi313 1 year ago
Listen -- You can post ancient history all you want. Let's come into reality here... I can show you violence in fundamentalist Islam happening everyday against Christians & Jews. I would like you to show me Christians (not governments) Christians doing violence against muslims everyday. You will not find it. But if you can prove it do so. If not I think you need to apologize for the propaganda of this video.
rlhubbard1964 2 years ago
@rlhubbard1964 did you not watch the whole thing? At the end he does say that his film is crap, just like Wilders film (the one this is in reply to) is crap. As he says, is easy to pick verses from both the Bible and the Quran and provide images of people dying and killing to go with him.
He doesn't need to apologize because his whole point is that movies like Wilder's one are propaganda, they are crap.
IkbenBen42 1 year ago
Re: the Medieval Inquisition (11841230s),
the Spanish Inquisition (14781834),
the Portuguese Inquisition (15361821),
the Roman Inquisition (1542 c. 1860 ), Al Hambra Decree 1492, papal soldiers (15.000 in 1859)... Need more?
Try to get me something from NOW.... Hello???
rlhubbard1964 2 years ago
Again, I have read my history and if you can prove Christianity is spread by the sword other than do it because the only "christians" that did this were the Crusades run by the Roman Catholic church. Governments do not qualify as "christian" only Christians qualify. If you can't PROVE that christianity is spread by the sword -- DO NOT say what you cannot prove.
rlhubbard1964 2 years ago
the Medieval Inquisition (11841230s),
the Spanish Inquisition (14781834),
the Portuguese Inquisition (15361821),
the Roman Inquisition (1542 c. 1860 ), Al Hambra Decree 1492, papal soldiers (15.000 in 1859)... Need more?
looi313 2 years ago 2
@rlhubbard1964 Maybe you need some more reading, my friend... ;)
btonasse 6 months ago
How orriginal to immitate "FITNA"...
Whahahaha
WILDERS AKHBARRRRR!!
komteruitdan 2 years ago
The end makes clear why it's a copy of Fitna.
BTW Fitna is a copy of Der Ewige Jude, made in 1940.
looi313 2 years ago
Maryjolos apparently you have not read or studied history at all.
rlhubbard1964 2 years ago
Islam is spread by the sword and history proves it. Other than the Crusades and the actions of the Serbians you will not find those calling themselves Christians doing this thing. You cannot say a government of the usa is christian because it is not. This nation of the usa is full of heathens and those who say they are christians but are not. I am a christian. Christians do not evangelize by "the sword" for "the sword" is the word of the Living God Himself.
rlhubbard1964 2 years ago
If the government of the USA is not Christian,so please remember the government of Saudi-Arabia is not Muslim.
There are also Christians who spread the word by the sword.
In the beginning of the Muslim empire it was forbidden for non-Arabs to become Muslim.... And how is it possible that the Mongols took over the Muslim empire and converted into the religion of the nation they just defeated? Please read your history better.
The movie doesn't want to discuss history, but how to live together.
looi313 2 years ago
wow
but this relly from jwich pepole
Salam2A 2 years ago
Shame on Christianity
Shame on Islam
Shame on all religions
These movies are making me even more proud to be atheist free of the absurdity of religion.
If there is a God I'm sure he will agree with me that religion is not what he is about.
ThinkingBetter 2 years ago
Shame on Atheism.
How can you sure about what He will agree with. Even I don't know.
looi313 2 years ago
When you see those imams saying "kill them", "they must be killed", "they must burn", there is not much to contextualize.
While the Bible is just a book, an ancient book, those words come from the mouth of people who should lead a community. There is no need for context here. Go to any kind of church, of any religion other than islam, in any other part of the word, and let's see if you hear spiritual leaders saying crap like that.
maryjolos 2 years ago
There is no comparison between this and Fitna.
In Fitna we see actual imams saying shit while here we just see a few words from a book.
maryjolos 2 years ago
I'm not against Christianity. That's why I didn't choose for priests talking bullshit in name of religion.
This movie just wanna show you that out of context everything can be set in the mind of the viewer.
Personally I think the imams in Fitna are also taking parts of the H. Qur'an out of context.
looi313 2 years ago
You did not choose priests because you could not find anyone behaving like that. That's why you used the kid, and those British soldiers. Because, for sure, you would have used anything to support your views.
maryjolos 2 years ago
I didn't use priests, because I think it's not necessary to make clear what I want to make clear.
Luke 18:15-17 and child abuse by priests... You can let people think there is any connection. It's the same between violence and Islam. You just read what you like to read.
looi313 2 years ago
Please, do not use that stuff, because we all know that your prophet married a 9 years old girl. That' s an abuse. That's pedophilia as well.
He was a pedophile.
maryjolos 2 years ago
It's even not sure how old the girl was.
I think you have problems with replacing yourself in a other time and other culture.
Ancient Greek man had sex with boys... In the Dark Ages people were burned for being a witch, Mary II of England got engaged when she was 15, Inca's were carrying dead Kings to their parties...
Are these people sick? Or do you think that your way of living is the only correct way?
looi313 2 years ago
Any one know from what incident the images about those little boys are? ( 4:03 - 4:46 )
Even if their the enemy, even if, their children, this is unacceptable!! CHILDREN ARE ALWAYS INNOCENT!!!!!!
DaveVidG 2 years ago
In Somalia, we used to give food and toys to those kids. Well, the following day the threw stones to us. Moreover, they usually hide guns, carry general staff, deliver messages etc...
Over there children are not so innocent.
Of course, those British soldiers should have behaved in a different way.
maryjolos 2 years ago
Do you think you can blame Islam for this? Or do you think the people of Somalia doesn't want you to help them?
looi313 2 years ago
Yes, they just want our money, and food. It is nice to get the food, and throw stones. Why do not they refuse food then? Why accepting alimentary support by the invaders?
maryjolos 2 years ago
Maryjolos, if you are hungry and I feed you, are you going to do what I say or do you still have a free will?
People do accept the food and help, but not the invasion or occupation of their country.
Democracy is a nice concept, but it is a Western way of living. Please do accept their are more ways of living.
looi313 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Islam is spread by the sword and history proves it. You neglect to show the history of Islam doing the same, however, you also neglect to show Christians spreading Christianity by the sword -- You will not find it. So do not live in your PAST HISTORY because I can prove the history still being made today of Islamic Fundamentalists Killing Christians & Jews still to this day. No more ancient history -- let's talk about the present day!
rlhubbard1964 2 years ago
Christianity is also no good at all. Schism is right but Fitna is right too. Schism does not make Fitna wrong.
eurabio 2 years ago
Don't worry its a joke! April fools to be exact!
josgamer 2 years ago
christ = bullshit fucker mankind = make our life as disaster
so on with jews
Gunssharpshooter 2 years ago
salamz bro!
hey man your doing a great job!
keep it up...show the world the reality...
ishh911 2 years ago
i don't see anybody with a sign, ALL THOSE WHO DON'T BELIEVE IN JESUS THE CHRIST WILL BE KILLED
DEATH TOT NON CHRISTIANS.
What is see is a lot of violence in economically motivated warS as is opposed by many people and organizations.
yes i see the KKK, yes i see balkan.
but balkan is very complicated matter.
i think the relation to Fitna is very flimsy.
fluibertje 2 years ago
Not only the Balkan is a very complicated matter.
This movie is all about the complicated matters taken out of context.
looi313 2 years ago
okee
So what is your point with this comment?
fluibertje 2 years ago
You compare the acts and words of Muslims with the acts and words of Christians in your western view.
Matters are more complicated. It's easy to take things out of context. That's what the movie is about. You take things out of context again.
looi313 2 years ago
But comparing anything to its self, is pointless.
then its not an comparison at all.
I consider Cannibalism, that is part of a religion in New Guinea, compared to its self wonderful and perfect.
But if those guy's come and live in my town, and start eating my neighbors then i do compare it to my (local) believes and think that eating my neighbors is not a good idea.
the same with islam comming to the west
islam claims peace and superiority on false grounds, compared with my local believes.
fluibertje 2 years ago
It's your freedom to think so, compared with your local believes. But you added: compared with my local believes,
Fitna just pretends it's the truth, just like Der Ewige Jude in 1940.
Facts don't change, only the knowledge we have about them.
looi313 2 years ago
fluibertje 2 years ago
Qur'an is the last revelation of God in which He describes about the previous people who recieved the message of God and how then, they either became rebellious (Like Jews ) or went astray in taking Jesus as a son of God..
So God warns the last generation of the reciever of revelations,to be careful and not to imitate the previous generations.
There is no hatred in Qur'an. Muslims are not supposed to hate anyone but only be mindful of their own deeds.
farzanatasneem 2 years ago
the obligation to kill is not nessesery hatefull.
why would you hate what you deem inferiour?
Islam is a religion of peace when all the world is subjegated.
and no god idnt reveal anything
Mohammed is an idolator worshipping stones and a pre islamic clay moon god.
the koran is rubbish, and partly the fantasy of a man with a brain tumor and the rest is copyed from other religions.
so dont talk astray to me. hahahaha
fluibertje 2 years ago
Please, respect others people religion. Hate and genocide starts with the way you talk now. Hitler started his hate campagne against Jews not in 1939.
looi313 2 years ago
Muslims believe that all previous revelations were from God and if they differ with Qur'an in certain aspects then it is due to some change in previous laws by God Himself due to the need of change or some corruptions and interpolations by human beings done to previous scriptures
farzanatasneem 2 years ago
The koran itself is the corruption and re interpretatuion of other religions.
Mohammed is a farce.
and the islamic heaven is a whorehouse.
fluibertje 2 years ago
Qur'an is the preserver of the teachings of all previous prophets.That's why its' enemies try to spread rumours against it so as to create prejudice against its study.The simple soul who wants to acknowledge and worship God easily understand it to be a religion from God but the corrupt ones keep deluding others away from it by way of propaganda.
farzanatasneem 2 years ago
If you stay talking this way I need to block you. Please respect each other and we can talk.
Where did I insult your way of living and the things you believe?
looi313 2 years ago
My way of living or my believes can not be insulted, they are not people.
Many people have ridiculed my believes and my way of life, and i have learned much through that.
Surely not pleasant, but ever so helpful in finding what is really valuable and what not.
Yes, i have lost a cozy feeling on some points.
But the truth is not alway pleasant, but much more reliable than living in a fantasy.
fluibertje 2 years ago
If I did not insult your way of living, then why are you insulting mine?
Indeed, the truth is not always pleasant. The question is: who is living in the fantasy world, you or me? I think you, you think me. No problem, let it go. Respect bro.
looi313 2 years ago
and where did i insult then?
i dont see the insult.
please tell me!
fluibertje 2 years ago
You said: Mohammed is an (don't repeat) and a (don't repeat).
the koran is (don't repeat), and partly the (don't repeat) and the rest is (don't repeat).
so dont talk astray to me. hahahaha
Also you said: The koran itself is the (don't repeat) and (don't repeat).
Mohammed is a (don't repeat).
and the islamic heaven is (don't repeat).
That's insulting for you. If you didn't know that, you know it now.
looi313 2 years ago
well, to put it (dont say) and considering (dont say) it must be (dont say).
Anyway when(dont say) is repeating (dont say) i dont get mucht to say. But as i (dont say) it you (dont say) more often, then it is expected to think about (dont say) (dont say).
But never (dont say) achieve (don say) the best.
(dont say) for every thing and (dont say).
(dont say)
fluibertje 2 years ago
So you think the things weren't insulting? And it's normal to talk in that way to people?
Are these the words you use in a discussion with your family and friends? Or is it just that you think you can say everything to an anonymus person on the Internet. I'm actually somebody as wel, you know.
I'm not using these words to you. You are free to use them, but I don't repeat them.
looi313 2 years ago
What words are you referring to?
maryjolos 2 years ago
islam is the religion for mankind from all over the globe.
farzanatasneem 2 years ago
Good video, seems the truth hurts for some people here!
shakur7 2 years ago
The truth is called Madrid, London, Nigeria where Catholic churches are burnt, and Christians are killed or menaced on a daily basis. That is the truth, and yes, that really hurts.
maryjolos 2 years ago
the chrisitains killed more people then anyone else in the history! ask your history teacher. example; masacre of the indians, jews (ww2), japan (nuclear bomb) , ira etc
But its forbids in the quran and not according to the torah and bible.
shakur7 2 years ago
Islam spread its ideas with swords, no less than Christians did. Since you are asking me to read history, please, do it yourself to learn how Islam became the religion of many people.
maryjolos 2 years ago
Maryjolos, Islam is not spread by the sword.
Sura Al Baqarah 256: There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in God hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. God is Hearer, Knower.
Please tell me where and when in history people were forced to become Muslims.
looi313 2 years ago
Moreover, nowadays all terrorists are Islamics, and when they kill someone, in your countries people party and burn flags!!!
So do not pretend you are the good ones because if in the past Christians were evil, now YOU ARE EVIL.
maryjolos 2 years ago
Just stay away from our western world.
Islam is the religion of poor countries, poor people, without food. Islam spread in Africa, and Asia, and is the religion of those countries where people die because they do not have aspirins.
You should be shocked about how Islamic countries improved their situation in the last century. You guys live how we lived in 1600.
maryjolos 2 years ago
well,u r about living in ur small world.look arround, u people lost ur job from US to australy,london. they have to wait more than 5 hours just to get a plate of bread to eat. islam was glorious more than 300 years,when u guy lived in the darkness in middle of nowhere. yes maybe its ur turn,but it wont last for more than 100 years. ur glory will over soon.islam is only for poor?dont u know how rich saudi is, how uea is?they can easily stop sending fuels, then u know wht can happen to u.
ayukaziza 2 years ago
Actually it is already lasting for centuries, I am sorry for you. We have always been the center of the world. Without our scientists you would have been already died. In islamic countries there are 3 people over rich, and the 99.9% of people dies because of a headache. If you do not give them oil, you would die of hunger, because that is the only thing you have.
maryjolos 2 years ago
Why do you think you are the center of the world? In fact, I think at the moment China is the center of the world.
I also think that without the Arab (not Muslim) oil Western scientists can stop working.
If the West is really the center why aren't they helping Africa? I think the West is so much turned to itself it even doesn't realise it's not the center.
looi313 2 years ago
Wow, I was intrigued by your response. I looked up the Christian crusades and the Spanish inquisitions. I read that communism has killed over 100,000,000. Then I read up on Islamic violence. Wow!!!! Incredible that that religion is tolerated. In todays world there is no place for Islam. Without a doubt it should be contained. Please learn more about Islam because it is far from peaceful.
tonebonetone 2 years ago
Tonebonetone, you read about Christian crusades, Spanish inquisitions, communism murders... and then you read about Islamic related violence. Please, tell me where and how many people died because of intolerance of Islam.
In a world where there is no place for people with a other sort of thinking I think it's a horrible world.
looi313 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
What does this have to do with Christianity? This movie is pretty much made to try to contract "Fitna." No one can try to justify how fucked up islam is with desecrating western society. Plain and simple islam teaches barbaric actions.
schwanzmannn 2 years ago
Did you watch the end?
looi313 2 years ago
nice!
072Alkmaar 2 years ago 4
the only thing i wish at most is a world without ANY religion - so less of suffering, struggling and hatred.....
well, if all religious fanatics of the whole world would die in one moment, it may be better, the earth will be free of that mess once for all
rypoush 2 years ago
what I wish is a world off all religious people, wether islam, christianity thats for everyone individual. no matter what religion people follow if they hold tight to it and follow it in the right way we will have a perfect world.
TheLoveforAllah 2 years ago
well exactly brainwashed fanatical religiomasturbators like you we should get rid of
rypoush 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
and islam is better you think? its so mutch worse
urbatus89 2 years ago
Where did I say Islam is better?
looi313 2 years ago
YAY SREBRENICA !! !!
im sad coz we didnt manage to kill more of that scum :(
YTinjustice 2 years ago
You'd better see a doctor.
looi313 2 years ago
fitna rules!
YTinjustice 2 years ago
You forgot Der Ewige Jude?
looi313 2 years ago
Why did you post this overhere? Please put your hate-propaganda somewhere else.
probeerseltje 2 years ago
The vast majority of people in this world are just grinding away everyday and are just trying to get by. As this video (and the FITNA video) points out, there are fanatics everywhere. Wether it be the KKK, Hamas or the Aryan Nation, there are diluted psychopaths hiding in every corner of the world who are shitting in the pie. It can be attributed to so many things such as economic strife, or just a serious lack of education.
mooner1979 2 years ago
4:04 4:30 THIS GUY IS FUCKING AWESOME .
1991Hrvat 2 years ago
1991Hrvat, why is it awesome when people are hurt? I think it's fucking sick.
probeerseltje 2 years ago
jeste :D
YTinjustice 2 years ago
4:04 4:30
Horrible Comment
If that guy who's commenting would have the balls, he would be there with the soldiers. beating up defenseless boys.
That twat is having an orgasm commenting that inhuman depiction of the noblest creature that ever walked the earth.
These are the worst, given the chance in a war situation, as you can hear in his voice.
Disgusting.
30000fps 2 years ago
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30000fps 2 years ago
Thank you for demonstrating how violent and divisive religion is, and how pointless it is to unquestioningly follow scripture without evidence and in the mistaken belief that it is anything but man-made.
This video, far from being a point against Wilders, is yet another point against religion.
Valelacerte 2 years ago
Fitna, Schism and Der ewige Jude focus on some details. I think these movies don't proove anything about religion, they only try to let people think bad about religion because of the details of some people.
looi313 2 years ago
Your Milltown Massacre footage shows sectarian killings between Catholics and Protestants, a plague in Ireland for a century. These were/are religiously motivated killings, involving firearms and bombs, and not isolated incidents between "some people".
Valelacerte 2 years ago
But can you blame all Christians for these incidents? Can you blame the Chinese Christians the trouble in N-Ireland? Can you blame the Pope the murders of People's Temple? etc
looi313 2 years ago
No, you can't blame someone directly for murders they had nothing to do with, but if religious texts create artificial us-and-them scenarios based on falsehoods about divine beings who approve of this but not of that, then everyone who subscribes to those religions is partially responsible. The same could be said of people who voted in Buish and Blair, said nothing as they invaded Iraq, and then voted them in again.
Valelacerte 2 years ago
The problem is there are Muslim Councils who made really clear these acts are against Islam. The weird thing is nobody knows these facts... Maybe it's not interesting for the media?
looi313 2 years ago
Oh, I agree, there certainly is an agenda to make Islam look really bad, but I'm outiside of that because to me it's a battle between Christianity, Judaism, and Islam: sometimes Christianity and Judaism, despite not trusting each other, band together against Islam.
Perhaps the problem is more cultural and traditional than religious, but then they're all tied together; I manly have a problem with the supernatural claims of religions.
Anyway, peace.
Valelacerte 2 years ago
Who cares what Muslim Councils say? That represent only the bad parts of Islam. Real Muslim people are not represented by this anti-free speech imbeciles, and there word does not define Islam, whcih is defined by the Koran and Hadith, readily available to people who know the MCB and friends are lieing.
DreadLaw2 2 years ago
Please google: Islamic Statements Against Terrorism
So you think Muslim Councils only represent bad parts of Islam?
I think you just focus on some people and organisation. Please do your own research in Muslim sources instead of listing to the hate preaching media and politicians.
looi313 2 years ago
"You can't have your cake and eat it". Either those statements against terrorism are the word of the religion (in which case reform and release a non-violent Koran or produce a pope-like figure as christianity does to prove you wrong) or individuals can still decide there own path and there is no unified word of Muslims, in which case, read the koran, it does advocate terrorism. Grow up, I research in factual sources, never in Muslim or Policical sources. I focus on Islam, never people.
DreadLaw2 2 years ago
Factual sources? In the Mediaeval time it was a fact the world was flat. Spontaneous generation was a fact untill Pasteur showed the world in 1860 it was not true.
Factual sources depend on time, place and person.
looi313 2 years ago
What Muslim Council? There are many. Only the media picks some of them out, which look the most strange in the eyes of Westerners.
probeerseltje 2 years ago
Could you go through and read other comments i've made, I can't be bothered repeating myself, needless to say I couldn't care and don't know what the media does, especially in relation to Muslim Councils.Jumping on the paranoid "westerners" (i know many Muslim British Westerners, so grow up) media hates Muslims band-wagon is absurd when the Majority of Western News, especially in Britain and America is documentatedly PRO-Islam even when it doesn't deserve the credit.
DreadLaw2 2 years ago
I can't remember you mentioned a name of a Muslim Council.
looi313 2 years ago
I think I once mentioned the Muslim Council of British, because it's is easily the biggest, has has a working relationship with the British Government (including forcing tax payers to fund it before they were forced to accept it was too extreme), is very unrepresentative of the opinions of every Muslim I know and of course is very anti-British (anti-freedom of speech, freedom from relgion, the rule of law), but other than that I've made clear that I don't care about Muslim Councils.
DreadLaw2 2 years ago
You don't care about Muslim Councils? That's like doing research on cola and ignore Coca Cola.
looi313 2 years ago
Ahhh, so you contradict your previous points about Individual Muslim faith? Well in that case, Islam is once again in the realm of bad things, because all Major Muslim councils are abhorant to the freedoms of englishmen. Please try to be consistent, your lieing is an embarrassment to your "faith".
DreadLaw2 2 years ago
Can you please explain which freedoms they abhorant and where did you find this information?
Muslim Councils can advice Muslims what to do in certain situations, without interfering in the individual faith. Please do your research.
looi313 2 years ago
What are you gibbering on about? You can find the information yourself, start with their websites, then their press releases, then interviews with the members. Speech is the freedom most commonly and almost universally insulted by Councils. Muslim councils don't exist to do that and there is no place to research it, show me one reference to the Muslim Council of Britain in the Koran you idiot. I will not research your arbiatry definition of Islam, you do some research.
DreadLaw2 2 years ago
So I need to show evidence and if I ask you then I need to search myself.
Let's see who wins in the end ;)
Peace man, and if God is willing you will find the right Path.
looi313 2 years ago
I hope you're not trying to imply that Wilders "blames all (Muslims)". He blames Islam, as I would blame Christianity for all that you have pointed out in this video. It's is the religion, not the people he ridicules, and fair enough, Islam is sick, possibly even more so than Judaism and definetly more than Christianity. You misunderstand the point entirely because you're misinformed by the Media, which, despite your lies is very very pro-Islam, and point out constantly what the MCB says.
DreadLaw2 2 years ago
Why do you think the Islam is sick? It's easy to say something and don't explain yourself.
If you search for some 'sick' details, also search for 'healthy' details and try to find the middle. If you still think Islam is sick, you are free to think so.
I'm waiting for your explanation, a set of statements constructed to describe a set of facts which clarifies the causes, pro and contra.
sura Al-Shura 40
sura Al Kafirun 6
sura Al Zalzala 7-8
sura Al Ma'ida 32&45
Just of the few to start with.
looi313 2 years ago
An individual with cancer, isn't going to be glad that they at least don't have malaria. Not that your comment made much sense regardless, healthy isn't the opposite of sick in that context. That and your attempts to cherry pick "nice" quotes as if they remove the existance of bad ones, makes your attempts to use technical grammar absolutely pathetic. As I have stated previously, if you believe what you are saying, then openly admit you adhere to a modified koran with only the "healthy" details.
DreadLaw2 2 years ago
In the Bible it also says you need to kill, hate and stone people. There are Christians still doing this, because they don't understand the context.
It's the same with Muslims.
You talk about the individual with cancer; I talk about the other healthy family members.
looi313 2 years ago
In response to your question on sources (was it removed?) Perhaps you should learn what context is. There is no need for philosophy in defining a fact within an axiom. If I want information on legislation, I have to assume it exists, and it's not some medieval hypoethesis (though the history of the flat earth theory isn't quite how you understand ). In the same way, when looking for information on Islam, one can read the Koran, when looking for information on a Muslim I read quotes from them.
DreadLaw2 2 years ago
If it's so easy, please, what are your factual sources.
BTW I didn't remove anything. Maybe you need to read and search a little bit better.
looi313 2 years ago
weak . . . trying to focus on a couple of lunatics is not the same as indoctrination of millions of people to hate and kill
loosestring 2 years ago
Indoctrination of hate and kill... Very weak to focus on some lunatics and a few verses out of context.
looi313 2 years ago
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mooner1979 2 years ago
this is bull islam is clearly alot worse
Fishmongerabc123 2 years ago
Clearly? Hmm... BTW This movie is not about religion.
looi313 2 years ago
Oh I thought its about Baseball.
shahzadkhan007 2 years ago
My friend I am sorry for you that you have so little information. You need to open your eyes and get out of the shackles of the American Zionist media.
May God bless you.
shahzadkhan007 2 years ago
"American Zionist Media"
This says an awful lot about your intelligence.
Fishmongerabc123 2 years ago
thank you creator
viceXversa 2 years ago
only random footages stuck toghetter with no storyline to tell about the suposed wrongness of the bible. wihat fitna in fact does... make a better one or stop complaining
JaySdt 2 years ago
The point is to prove that you can make anyone look bad if you depend on people's ignorance - FYI, this is a response to the dutch movie "Fitna".
KudoFan32 2 years ago
ignorance is blaming a group of people for one person in that groups action. we are all indivduals and created as individuals, and our actions are done individually and as individual people. we all have difrent views, difrent ways of thinking and we all take difrent paths in life, nobody is the same and nobody thinks alike. and a group of people dont think alike.
gibsonguitarist05 2 years ago
no, i am denying them, they dont exist in the quran. im just not talking to you cause you keep repeating yourself, second. the thing you pulled out are not in the quran so they might be hadiths and "hadiths" are "sayings" from people who talked to mohammad and walked with him and passed stories about him from generations to generations. hadiths are not always true, most muslims dont belive in hadiths because they are often fabircated and twisted throughout generations. they are like "rumors".
gibsonguitarist05 2 years ago
the difference is that i dont see christians and jews go and blow up buildings with thousands of people because they dont believe in same religion...
Avithor 2 years ago
Maybe you didn't look around. The Crusaders did the same. The pope tells people not to use condoms and because million of innocent people fuck their selves to death, because they listen to him. That's thousands and thousands more then 9-11.
The KKK murdered people. In N.-Ireland people murder, because they have a different way of Christianity.
Jews want to stay in Israël and murdered a few months ago a thousand Muslim Palestinians... That's 1/5 of 9-11...
looi313 2 years ago
1. crusaders were wrong and i would hate cristianity just as i hate islam..
2. rest of first paragraph didnt make any sence
3. kkk and n thing was b/c of race, not christians murdering non-christians
Avithor 2 years ago
They acted in name of Christianity, but you tell me it's not true. I believe you.
Other people acted in name of Islam and now I tell you it's not true. It's up to you to believe me.
looi313 2 years ago
ok... we're talking about islam, and yes all those other groups are just as bad, but right now they arent what is threatening our freedom, radical muslim clerics who preach to hate the 'kuffaar' are.
there is a link to a very good video on pogueuk profile info, called Channel 4's Undercover Mosque; a dude recorded under cover muslim mosques for 4weeks. all these clerics that are saying islam is peace in public, in mosques were constantly preach hate towards non-muslims
Avithor 2 years ago
That's so weird, I go every week to mosques, different mosques, I speak with almost alone Muslim people, every week I meet at least 5 new Muslim people... and never, no, never I met a Muslim who is preaching violence against non-Muslims.
So weird.
looi313 2 years ago
first of all, in islam muslim are taught to respect and love christians and jews, because they are "ahil al kitab" which means "people of the book" they are people who belived in last revalations and prophets and gods messengers before mohammad.
second, "kuffar" or "infidels" or whatever, are not referd to christians or jews, but they are refered to people of the qoraish tribe, people who worshiped idols and statues and planets and things like that
gibsonguitarist05 2 years ago
you say that to us, but that does not change the fact that thats not what the clerics in europe are teaching... and dont take it out on me, im not making it up.
type in Dispatches - Undercover Mosque in google, and a video stored on google videos should come up in the results.
the european clerics constantly call the non-muslims 'kuffaar' and things like 'we hate the kuffaar'
again... im just saying what the reporter video taped, im tired of people blowing off about me being ignorent
Avithor 2 years ago
thoes "muslim clerics" in europe are not the majority of muslims. if they want to missunderstand the quran and use it for thier own agendas, like hate or terrorism then its not in our hands. its in gods hands, they will burn in hell for it. god created us all equals, tan, brown, dark. muslim, christian, jew. arab asian or african, we are all gods children. and we were put on this earth to live together peacefuly.
gibsonguitarist05 2 years ago
The point is to prove that you can make anyone look bad if you depend on people's ignorance and copy half truths - FYI, this is a response to the dutch movie "Fitna". This is not to bash Christians.
KudoFan32 2 years ago
Yes, you understand what I mean... Finally somebody who has brains.
looi313 2 years ago
..then what verses from what holy book did the creator quoted from?
malphindosintha 2 years ago
undercover mosques? so what? you cant blame a whole group of people or religion because of what a few bad "muslims" do. there are people like that in every religion.
islam is truely a religion of peace, even the name "islam" means "peace" which comes from the word "salam" which comes from "salam o alykom" which means "peace be upon you". islam teaches that you need to do GOOD DEEDS to go to heaven, while christianity teaches that you already go to heaven cause jesus died for your sins.
gibsonguitarist05 2 years ago
The movie is not about Christianity or Islam... it's about taking parts of Holy Books out of context, instigate people, try to make people think some lies are true...
Please stop this discussion.
If God willed, He would have made you one nation, but that may test you in what He has given you, so strive as in a race in good deeds.
looi313 2 years ago
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girl1888888888888 2 years ago
fuck tha bible
spgxrider 2 years ago
Muhammad approved of mass rape for himself and his henchmen too:
"So Muhammad began seizing their herds and their property bit by bit. He conquered Khaybar home by home...The Messenger took some of its people captive, including Safiyah bt. Huyayy, the wife of Kinanah and her two cousins. The Prophet chose Safiyah for himself." (Tabari VIII:116 & Ishaq:511). So, after he murdered her husband, Mo kidnapped and raped Safiyah, giving her 2 cousins to Dihyah. Slave-trader as well as rapist.
jcmjelve 2 years ago
So, you're trying to say she was introduced to Mohammad through war with her tribe and later embraced Islam married Mohammad and became the mother of the believers (just a title there are no blood connection). Listen if you just have more twisting of facts and more lies spare me the headache.
moha13881 2 years ago
This movie is about taking verses and textes out of context.
Well done. Exactly that's what you are doing. I asked in the movie better we don't do this.
Thanks.
looi313 2 years ago
Muhammad said:
Bukhari:V4B52N220 "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been made victorious with terror.'"
Qur'an:8:12 "I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle."
jcmjelve 2 years ago
What a load of rubbish! Muslim quote the koran to support what they do, nowhere in the film did anybody use the bible to support what they did. Fitna is right. I can say it is because I like many others study the koan and islam in general, and yes it is all it is claimed to be.
SIMBER9 2 years ago 2
Yes, al qaeda and others quote the Quran to justify what they do, timothy mcveigh and the KKK don't use the bible to justify what they do/did
pertuk 2 years ago
Did Mcveigh do it or was he set up? Many dispute the whole case against him. I don't know but others claim to. The KKK mad as they are are not trying to take over the world, muslims are. Don't even think of telling me they are not because I have been studyed islam for quite a few years and know they are. People can twist things to mean what they want in many cases but "kill the unbeliever" can mean only one thing. Islam states muslims must fight until only islam is recognised as a religion.
SIMBER9 2 years ago 2
"kill the unbeliver"? first of all, islam teaches to respect muslims AND non muslims, ESPECIALLY christians and jews. in islam christians and jews are referred as "ahil al kitab" which means 'people of the book'. they are to be respected. "non believers" are not jews or christians, but people from the koraish tribe, people who worship idols and stones and the sun.
it is very clear that ur a bullshiter, u havent studied islam or even read the quran, so please stop posting ur ignorant shit here
gibsonguitarist05 2 years ago
Yes, the Koran teaches to murder non-muslims, and Muhammad perpetrated them too: Surah 8:7
"...cut off the roots of the Unbelievers." - Yusuf Ali translation
"...wipe the unbelievers out to the last."-Ahmed Ali translation
"...wipe them out to the last."-Tabari VII:29
"Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war." - Koran 9:5
jcmjelve 2 years ago
So then why are christians in muslim countries abused and killed? Are the people doing this going against the koran?
Why does the koran say that in the last days "the stones will cry out there is a jew behind me kill him?
It is clear you are a liar and deliberately misquoting your own warriors manual. Why does your religion (cult) say the whole world must eventually become islamic? What about my choice?
SIMBER9 2 years ago
Muslim countries don't excist, only countries with a majority of Muslims. In the only real Christian state in the world (Vatican City) there are no mosques. In Great Brittain the Queen is officially also the head of the Anglican Church. Great Brittain was involved with torture of people of Guantanamo Bay. Any relationship?
The H. Qur'an doesn't say this stone/jew-thing. Otherwise, please tell me where. (BTW it's a Hadith ;) so please do your research, maybe it's daief or even mawdoe')
looi313 2 years ago
Muslim countries do exist because in these countries people must b a muslim or die. If they leave islam they r to b killed. Stop feeding me crap. Ru saying there is a relationship between christianity and torture? Christianity says love ur neighbour, turn the other cheek, do good to those who hate u, love those who hate u etc. Islam says kill non-believers. The koran does say it but assumig it was a hadith then u have just admitted I was right that islam says it no matter where its said.
SIMBER9 2 years ago
These are countries with a majority of Muslims. When Israel murders thousand Palestinians we can't blame the jews for it. When Iranian gouvernment hang some boys because of 'homosexuality' we can't blame Islam.
And of course some people abuse religion for these things.
BTW where is the love in I Kor 6:9-10, Rom 1:27-32, Hebr. 10:28 and I Kor 11:3?
looi313 2 years ago
My religion doesn't want any force in religion. Only God can let you convert to Islam. I can't let blind people see or deaf people hear.
My religion says even that on the Last Day there will be no Muslims (because God doesn't want us to see the horrible things which happens in the End, read the Bible Revelations for example). It's all Gods will, I'm sorry, I can't help it.
لَكُمْ دِينُكُمْ وَلِيَ دِينِ
looi313 2 years ago
Its not YOUR religion. YOU had no choice, no decision in choosing YOUR religion. YOUR family taught you religion and so the cycle of STUPIDITY continues.
Alphonzen 2 years ago