Creationism on Huffington Post. My interview part 5/6.

[nash984954]

If evolution isn't true, then the Fibonacci sequence isn't either yet the chambered Nautilus and succeeding numbers of generations of rabbits follow the Fibonacci sequence.And, the number of spirals to the left and to the right in the sunflower are adjacent numbers in the Fibonacci sequence. Evolution follows patterns just as mathematical sequences do. Golden Ratio anyone?

[Mogley52]

DAWKINS, HITCHENS, AND HAWKING REFUSE TO DEBATE with creationists who are SCIENTISTS, such as the scientists at ICR, The Institute for Creation Research. They only debate non-scientist creationists. Read my popular Internet articles: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM, ANY LIFE ON MARS CAME FROM EARTH, and WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! MISSING LINKS THAT NEVER WERE!

[85Damix]

@Mogley52 ICR is a hoax, that's why serious scientist refuse to talk to them.

[Mogley52]

NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How were species living and reproducing if their reproductive system and other vital organs hadn't evolved yet? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic/biological similarities between species.

[WowUrFcknHxC]

(i'm not too sure about this statement, but it seems a bit common sense?) also, isn't the biological taxonomy we use to assign Latin names to different species based on the concept of evolution? again, i'm not too sure. but it seems that species who are related are in the same taxon groups... maybe i need to understand taxonomy better, but that's just something i've deduced...

[HimesInu]

@WowUrFcknHxC Yes, in that the Latin name tell you the genus and what species a creature is within that genus

[WowUrFcknHxC]

the moon is a moon of Jupiter and it's called Io :P it's the most volcanic body in the entire solar system. and it's thermal heat source: the squeezing and expanding of the moon caused by jupiter's gravity! amazing how physics works... anyway, entropy has more to do with the amount of energy within a system that is available for useful work...

[enlightendbel]

If in the US reality is winning over creationists and such, how come each and every politician in the US has to state that hes a die hard Christian before even being considered for election and quite a few of the most popular ones are very public about their belief in Creationism?

[SocialDissimulation]

@enlightendbel Honestly, the Tea Party terrifies me more than any Christian. ANd that's saying something.

[enlightendbel]

@SocialDissimulation Yeah, but they are, piece for piece, very vocal creationists and even young earthers, not the slightly more sane "god might have steered evolution along" kind.

Its very disturbing for a European to see that these religious nut balls even have any political sway.

If a politician here would say he was a creationist, he would be ridiculed for years to come and voted out in a heartbeat.

In the US if you aren't vocal that your Christian, you have no chance of election

[SocialDissimulation]

@enlightendbel Right. Exactly what terrifies me the most. I cannot believe a group like that with politicians like that even has a modicum of followers. I can't even think of when the White Christian Male became the iconic centerpiece of America.

[HimesInu]

@enlightendbel People are afraid of change. Pure and simple.

[jmcanoy1860]

I agree completely that we are gaining ground. People I have argued with for years are admitting to me that they have changed their minds. Some are actually now atheists. From bible humper to atheist.

[EvolutionLIE]

" I signed the Scientific Dissent From Darwinism statement, because I am absolutely convinced of the LACK of True scientific evidence in favour of Darwinian dogma. Nobody in the biological sciences, medicine included, needs Darwinism at all. Darwinism is certainly needed, however, in order to pose as PHILOSOPHER, since it is primarily a worldview. And an awful one, as George Bernard Shaw used to say."

Dr. Leguizamon, Pathologist, and a Professor of Medicine at the at the Auto Uni,Mexico

[evilotakuneko]

Say, isn't the term Big Bang a derogatory term coined by a scientist who opposed the theory anyway? I seem to remember something like that from some documentary.

[wwickeddogg]

So if god doesn't exist, then in whose image were we created? Ahhhh, no answer to that, god must exist.

[evilotakuneko]

@wwickeddogg That comment was made in jest, right? >.> Sorry, my sarcasmometer blew up again.

[wwickeddogg]

@evilotakuneko Are you saying that people do not look like god? Or that it is just a coincidence? As an aside, can you think of anything that is not simply a combination of things that already exist?

[limegreensquid]

One part i'm not quite clear on - how abiogenesis is unrelated to evolution. Isn't it the very beginning of evolution? The chemicals coming together, causing certain repeated reactions, more chemicals being involved until enough are gathered to become an organism. Then the organisms also gaining further "parts" or abilities over time. What part of the process doesn't belong to evolution?

[wwickeddogg]

@limegreensquid The same part as planetary formation. Evolution is the study of how living creatures evolve not how planets form or how chemicals react. Obviously the dileneation is simply a boundary used to define a specific area of study just like geology and geography are different.

[wretcherwretch]

@limegreensquid

Evolution by definition deals with changes in allele frequencies, and as such, it excludes discussions of abiogenesis. It's similar to the question of chemistry; the theory of the atom addresses the atom, but not the genesis of atoms.

[a11m0n]

Yes! It is not about evolution. It is about power! And the religious fools know they are loosing.

[dookdawg214]

Tiktaalik was not only the perfect transitional fossil (linking fish to land animals) but it corresponded so perfectly with everything evolution predicts that paleontologists knew exactly what region to go to, where to dig and how old the rocks need to be in order to find something that they merely hypothesized existed. Evolution's predictions are always spot-on. Creationist's predictions are... uh... my bad, creationism makes no predictions. It's untestable and unfalsifiable. How convenient.

[stiimuli]

what the hell were you doing with your microphone? it sounded like throughout this broadcast you were doing yoga and your microphone is traveling around your head XD

[sinmantyx]

I think I'll make a vid about the thermodynamics argument. I have a background in physics - so it's immediately brain-numbingly ridiculous to me.

[aarlin81]

William Lane Craig now uses the bullshit argument that "the UNIVERSE is a closed system".

[sinmantyx]

@aarlin81 Really? Vomit.

[xxDickBonesxx]

correction; in that family guy picture, Peter is actually above creationists xD

It's a scale split in the three: average, retarded and creationists at bottom. Peter is put into the lower half of the retarded category.

Your point remains, but creationists are rightfully classified as more retarded than Peter Griffin :>

[wemustdissent]

Er minor nitpick to the hosts of this broadcast, I only bring it up because I've heard otherwise smart people make this mistake numorous times. The mistake is based on the assumption that entropy = disorder and anything becoming ordered is a loss of entropy. This is an oversimplification that leads to many false assumptions. One of these common assumptions is that crystal formation represents a decrease in entropy when in fact the majority of crystalizations are entropically driven.

[drnekodr]

"I don't see no fossils!!" LOL

[drnekodr]

Dodo Birds. Evolution made them slower, dumber and flightless. Things do not always move forward.

[gocanuckzgo]

Someone should publish a book with every single transitional fossil ever discovered included within. It should be entitled:

"Where are the transitional fossils?

RIGHT HERE MOTHERFUCKER!"

And we should slam that thick-ass book on the desk of any of these creationist morons when they bring that up.

ps. I'm loving these videos, audio is pretty bad at times, but I like the laid-back approach.

[VvDOPAMEANvV]

@gocanuckzgo i would buy the shit out of that shit!

[incoherentpoet]

According to the Bible, which exists because God was controlling the people writing it. And according to the Bible, the earth (and everything else) is only 6000 yrs old. Know, if science tells me that the earth is 3 billion yrs old and the Universe is 14 billion yrs old, then I kind of get the feeling that the people writing the Bible were not being controlled by any God. You can't say God controlled the Big Bang 14 Billions yrs ago after you tell me that he created EVERYTHING 6000 yrs ago.

[harvellt]

In some cosmology circles the universe its self isn't a closed system. As the universe expands it gains energy.

[harvellt]

It takes way more than 6 jules to clean my room lol

[CousinoMacul]

In one of his books (I don't remember which, perhaps "Climbing Mount Improbable"), Dawkins starts off by showing how death, change, and evolution follow as a direct consequence of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, and he does it with nary a mention of the common creationist argument (which he is certainly aware of). It was brilliant!

ps---You should shorten your link to the Klinghoffer article using a service like tinyurl; the link is broken.

[leeheeman420]

I thought every fossil is a transitional fossil considering evolution never stops. It has no end goal.

[truvelocity]

Its not about who's in charge! Its about losing their million dollar life style!

[OutlawGrrl]

I like the video game style explanation for the law of thermodynamics.

[drfoxcourt]

The originators of the theory proposed "a model for a non-static universe" ie expanding universe. "Big Bang" is the term used by physicists who didn't buy the original theory. The coiner of the term later agreed that the theory had credence. The theory is well supported by available evidence.

[216trixie]

But it's NOt in the media. The fucking History channel is filled with aliens, bigfoot and Jesus.

[xXxScarletBloodxXx]

@216trixie And Nostradamus...

[216trixie]

@xXxScarletBloodxXx Yeah. And right in the middle of all that, they throw in a little actual science. So Average Joe thinks its ALL the same.

[drnekodr]

@216trixie I stopped watching History and Discovery.... I feel your pain.

[alawrence89]

@216trixie lol. exactly right.

[highwind8124]

"I recall a thing from Kenneth Miller about how these paleontologists almost got into a fist fight..."

Sweet, unconfirmable anecdotes...

[Valkes]

What's between creationist and human? I dunno, but it's gonna be something with increased cranial capacity. . .

[leorklier]

Maybe creationists are correct about the 2nd law of thermodynamics - unless evolutioniserists could come point to an external energy source like a huge ball of plasma 150 million km away which adds in energy to the earth system - however, no doubt creation science is unaware of such a phenomenon

[kokofan50]

@leorklier don't foreget the magma ball with a radio active core we live on

[harvellt]

@leorklier Nice line I might steal it some time sorry in advance!

[REBMike1]

No bloody wonder I can't be bothered to tidy my bed up it would break the 2nd law thermodynamics, I just wish my bed was an open system.

[pilgrimpater]

The thing i love about so called "There are no transitionals" is that no creationist can define what a transitional is and what they would expect of evolution. Now, if there were no such thing as Tiktaalik, Arcaeopteryx etc etc then these are EXACTY what creotards would be demanding of us.

[captainghey]

@pilgrimpater

isn't the crocoduck a clear enough definition for you?

[pilgrimpater]

@captainghey Yes, you got me hook line and sinker, i was forgetting. Maybe you should have a peek at my short video "The lie of Evolution - I succeed where Kirk Cameron fails":- youtube.com/watch?v=Po2jGoZb_9­8

[HighVoltage963]

@captainghey The clear definition of what? A strawman?

[Juxtaroberto]

@captainghey A crocoduck would disprove evolution. So good luck finding one.

[captainghey]

@Juxtaroberto phylogenetics is a lie from satan, ok!

[TheNeognostic]

@captainghey No, it's not. Because there was no such thing as a crocoduck.

Tiktaalik was an ACTUAL occurrence of a transitional form. Lets stick to the ones that actually have been, instead of the ones imagined into folklore by the Discovery Institute, ok?

[captainghey]

@TheNeognostic

Wrong again, EVIL-utionist! The Crocoduck was the hallucinatory product of Cameron & Comfort, not the discovery-less institute!

[TheNeognostic]

@captainghey "Wrong again, EVIL-utionist!"

Wow, did you come up with that all by yourself? I'm in awe. Seriously.

Discovery Institute vs. Cameron/Comfort = To-mae-toe/to-maa-toe. The only essential difference is that Cameron/Comfort don't have quite the same shoe-shine delivery of the same steaming pile of horseshit.

I mean, when Comfort starts talking about bananas, it almost looks as if he WANTS you to know how retarded he is.

[wwickeddogg]

@TheNeognostic When Comfort starts talking about the banana, all I can think about is how they are both imagining a different banana shaped item.

[wwickeddogg]

@TheNeognostic The best part of the whole thing is that there is an extinct species Anatosuchus which could easily be considered a crocoduck. Thus, not only do creationists misunderstand evolution, but they also offer up examples intended to disprove based on the misunderstanding which unintentionally prove their misunderstood version.

[stainglassfox]

i love these talks/interviews/whatever, but when was the last time we've ever convinced anyone, using facts and logic, that their belies are false? I agree that they are far from a lost cause, but is it 'preaching to the choir' so to speak?

[unclexbob]

@stainglassfox not many people may learn from it, but any is better than none.

All you can do is keep putting it out there.

[drfoxcourt]

@stainglassfox The point of the talk was to give reasoning people the ammunition to fight the charlatan-creationists and to prevent them from infecting the next generations.

[Juxtaroberto]

@stainglassfox ProfMTH has an excellent video where he shows (using a research paper, of course) that people will NOT change religious beliefs based on logic and facts alone.

[KnightTemplar108]

Very nice, very nice indeed.