Let's try this another way, something simple you might be able to understand. If I write a passage "The rain will fall from the sky soon and the earth will end the next day" Does the fact that it rains mean this is a prophecy? As I said your prophecy is extremely general and statistically probable just like it raining soon, however that does not mean it is a true prophecy simply because I guessed it might rain some time in the future. I am sure you are entirely going to miss the point here.
I could go on forever...but would you really listen? Just like he said....Jhn 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. Just because atheists don't understand the Bible doesn't make it not true.
You probably could go on all day, but it would be nice if you actually said something that had anything to do with the subject at hand. Nothing you have said shows the bible is true or that any gods exists.
@dataloreforever I have plenty of proof. You're just too ignorant to accept it. As for your un- scientific stuff in the Bible....just ask away and I'lll prove you wrong, already did with evaporation. Come on, take the challenge. You may be too ignorant to see the truth, but some of your viewers might be able to see atheist beliefs of the Bible are simply a lie. And let's stick to the scientific "magic" you say is in the Bible. Ask away about the "magic" in the Bible. Science has only proven them
No your to ignorant to accept you have no poof. Wow you think somehow you crap about evaporation actually proved something, you are ignorant and delusional. "As for your unscientific stuff in the Bible", what are you talking about? Do you actually have any brain cells that work? I do not believe I ever claimed anything about scientific magic. You truly need help. As for science proving anything in the bible or the other way around, I highly doubt it.
@dataloreforever ...that unscientific beliefs are magic....let's see....how can you say science disproves God. God is a Spirit and science doesn't deal with the Spiritual.....explain that one to me. You can't. Let's see....Hey, how about where he takes the ocean waters into the clouds and delivers the rain over and over again...OH WAIT...science has come to call that evaporation. Funny, evaporation is in the Bible thousands of years before science discovered it as truth. Hmmm....
Wow you are thick. Again I never said once that science disproves god. Science also can't prove god, as you just said, but you keep claiming that there is science in the bible, which you have yet to prove true, and somehow that proves the bible is true. This would be some of the crap I was talking about.
@shadapple It is also irrelevant if the bible is the first book to mention evaporation or not, it still does not prove that book is anymore true than any other, it simple shows that one piece of information is true. I could say that because Alice in Wonderland contains knowledge of rabbits in it that the entire book is true. Is the a valid assumption?
@shadapple You can't show that that is in anyway knowledge from god, I can claim it was discovered by humans and placed in that book by humans. I can actually support my claim with evidence, you can't. Which claim is more likely to be true? The answer is mine. You must prove that it came from god, the only thing you have shown is that whoever wrote that had some limited knowledge of evaporation. But you can't prove where that knowledge came from. This is why your claim is crap.
@dataloreforever Furthermore, how can you name your video "unscientific beliefs are magic", yet make the claim that science can neither prove nor disprove God? LMAO...hypocrite. You still haven't taken the challenge and posted the magic from the Bible that I can prove science has confirmed. Are you scared to take the challenge or are you just making videos to see yourself on youtube? Post the freakin unscientific magic so I can prove you wrong, or are you lying? Post some, post one...just one.
Again more evidence you can't read. That is not what my video is called. It is a reply to a video called that. I am betting you did not even watch my video. Nor did you look to the side bar where the video I am responding to is. More evidence you should not be taken seriously by anyone.
Again I have never claimed anything about magic from the Bible nor are you intelligent enough to actually understand this is not the name of my video.
@dataloreforever Well please point out the crap I've posted. And where is the "magic" in the Bible that isn't scientific? I'm still waiting. Point out the voodoo magic. It's hilarious, you believe nothing can create something, yet it's the Christians that believe in magic...lmao Atheists are such hypocrites, I pointed that out to you with the "don't believe in conspiracy theories" question....remember? So you just made a vid that unscientific beliefs are magic....so post one. As for you thinking
@shadapple I'm thick?? lmao...I've shown you evaporation in the Bible 3 times.....and I'm thick....lmao. I can also show you micobiology, but I'm willing to say that since you've ignored evaporation 3 times, you'll also ignore micro biology in the Bible too...lol. And WHATEVER else I show you....lol. I can also show you evolution and the million year old man myth, underwater springs that weren't discovered til the 70's. How he says the deep is freezing, although noone had ever been there....lmao
Do I have to re-post ever claim you have make, they are all crap. Furthermore you have not proven one claim true. Making a claim does not make a claim true. You see not to understand this. You cliam god is real, that does not prove god is real. You claim god gave some extra knowledge, but you have not show god is the source. Do you see the problem yet, most likely not, that is because you are blinded by your faith.
@dataloreforever As for "unscientific beliefs".......give me one scientific piece of proof that nothing can create something, other than the opinion of some scientists that that is how all life began. According to science, something has to be testable, proveable and demonstratable in order to claim it as scientific fact. Other than that, it is opinion. So when was the last time scientists witnessed, tested and demonstrated that nothing can create something.....never.....lmao And I'm thick...lmao
I have never claimed "nothing can create something" So why would I need to defend it? You on the other hand must defend this position for it is exactly what your creation story claims. Again this would be your mistake, science has never claimed that nothing can create something to be a true scientific fact. They do however have mathematical models that show how this can be possible, with the understanding that nothing is a flexible term. Yes it would be a hypothesis.
I see the problem here you do not understand the difference between things that are supported by evidence in science and those that are not. You need to take a college level science class or two. I find it interesting that you attack science without fully understanding it then you try to use it to prove your book true. This is why you have failed at ever turn. This is also why you are a hypocrite.
Again you creation story has the same problem, you are to blinded be your faith.
@dataloreforever I'm blinded by my faith? LMAO...dude, you are a card....so where's the proof of atheism? Oh wait, you said there is no proof, so that makes it faith....blind faith. Atleast my faith agrees with common sense....yours doesn't.
Sorry I just realized in one of your last comments that you are unable to read, I would guess you must be able to understand a few word or we would not be having this conversation. However you keep asking the same things over and over even after I have answered them. I have more then shown you atheism to be correct and accurate. This is something you have not done for your faith. No your faith does not agree with common sense, you only believe that because your faith blinds you.
@dataloreforever 21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
@dataloreforever lmao....you are a card. Wow, he was so right when he said this .....Romans 1:20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen (that's micro-biology, by the way), being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
@dataloreforever As for me not eing able to read......I'm an author with published material, including something on the wall of the White House. Oh wait a sec...I forgot, you're so much smarted that all the Christians.....hmmmmm, I seem to recall the fairytale book saying that is exactly what you will believe.....lmao
Again I have never claimed to smarter than anyone else. You have been the only one making claims, that I might add you are incapable of defending. Blind faith is all you have.
@dataloreforever Mine's not blind faith, yours is. I have a heckuvalot more proof for my belief than you do for yours. Period. All you do is run your mouth while I prove my stance for the Bible and Christianity. I've given you all the room you need to prove me wrong, you can't. I've given you two challenges and you've run from them both. I wonder why that is? Because you can't prove the Bible wrong, I've posted ALOT of proof for the Bible. All you've done is talk.
I have no faith so how can it be blinding? You have not presented any proof yet. If you have some then you should present it. Also you are not presenting your side a a belief. A belief requires no evidence at all. Beliefs do not even have to be based in reality. You are presenting your claims as true and provable this takes it out of the realm of belief. So is yours a belief or not? You have posted absolutely no proof the entire bible is true
"I have a heck of a lot more proof for my belief than you do for yours." So then answer the questions. Lets start with you example of evaporation. Lets say you are right and that is what they are talking about in the bible. How does that prove the bible is true and how does it prove a god exists? Of the subject I also would like to know the name of the book you wrote and what you have hanging in the white house.
@dataloreforever ...The Bible does not say the earth is flat, or that it is held up by 4 pillars. That in itself is proof that his people understand the Bible and others don't. satan was not a snake. God is not evil. And if you don't consider the fact that recorded history only goes back 4000 years just as the Bible claims (by recording the earliest kindoms/rulers/powers) isn't enough for you to question if we are being deceived or not...that's your problem. Prove it wrong. You can't. Noone can.
The problem is that I have already produced evidence that written history goes back much further than you or your bible claim. A more recent example that still predates your claim would be 3800-4000 BC, the Sumerians and the Chinese both have written history. So no history does not agree with you and this must be excluded from you list of evidence. I can prove it wrong and I did. History does not agree with you, sorry.
@dataloreforever I never said the Bible "claims" it. And I also said there is no recorded history before 4000 BC, and in your own words, your comment here says that I'm right. I never said 4000 years, I said 4000 BC. There is no recorded history from any culture anywhere on the planet prior to that. Kinda throws a kink into the bazillion year old man theory...but only if you look at it with common sense. You know what is in the Mediterranean? over 200 underwater cities...hmmmm...flood maybe?
Actually if you look back at you last claim that I posted this reply to you claimed the bible says there is only 4000 years of recorded history. This may be a mistake on your part, however if this recorded history is 4000 B.C. and it is 2010 now, that means we have 6000 years of recorded history, however I did give you an example that is 15000 years old and you have not proven it wrong. So sorry no you are not right. Cities under water does not actually =flood.
Sorry to tell you but saying cities under water is a long way from ever proving a global flood happened.
I did not ignore evaporation in the bible, I said you have not shown it comes from god or that your god even exists. It does not matter if anything is written in the bible if you can't prove the bible is actually true or that your god actually exists. It is just a book that might have some actually true things in it, that does not make everything in it true.
So lets move on now that we know evaporation does not prove the bible is true nor does the claim that history is only 400 years old. I can eliminate your prophecies one by one if you need me to.
@dataloreforever ...and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. ... The number of Christiand killed when he said this....0. 2000 yrs. later...almost 50 million. So....start debunking those and tell me those things are not true
@dataloreforever I showed you evaporation in the Bible and you ignored it. OK, let's move to Prophecy...Mathew 24:14, "The Gospel shall be preached in all nations", Mathew 24:35, "My words shall not pass away". Psa 51:13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee. (this was written hundreds of years before Jesus and ANY converts). Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you:
I'm unclear as why you believe this actually proves anything, it is an incredible general statement that could be claimed by pretty much any religion and be right at some point in history. Not really proof of anything.
@dataloreforever This is your idea of proving me wrong? lol Did I expect anything less from you? No, I didn't, here's why, another prophetic true statememnt....2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. ...sure, you atheists are so technologically savy, but you can never come to the truth. As for your general statement, tell that to almost 50 million murdered Christians and the ones killed overseas everyday. Tell them they're just part of a general statement.
I,m sorry I did not see the part in the prophecy that said exactly 50 million Christians must die for it to be true. People die and are murdered all the time. Does it make me a prophet if I say someone will die today? It is called statistical probability. Yes the prophecy has no specific details. So no it is not a prophecy. This is the problem, you need it to be true but you can't actually prove it is true. I do not see a prophecy, sorry.
So basically you can't support your claim of prophecy with any real evidence to show it might be or is true. You are the one making the claim, that means you are the one that has to prove it is true. I do not need to show that it if false because it has not been shown to actually be true. You have not, and most likely can not, do so. You would be the ridiculous one, claiming things to be true that are nothing more than a belief on your part.
@dataloreforever You are unbelievable. You do realize other people are reading these comments right? I want to thank you for showing others how ignorant atheism is. You said "post prophecy so I can prove you wrong", you didn't prove anything wrong. "The Gospel will be preached in all nations", "My words shall not pass away", are pretty frickin blunt. Has the Gospel reached all nations? Yes. Have his words passed away? No...DUH. Go over the others if you need to. Ask a friend for help.
Right to the name calling. You can't support your claims with any evidence so you resort to name calling, typical. I hope people are reading this conversation. I am not the one making unsupported and unbelievable claims, that would be you. It amazes me every time I as you to show some evidence to support your claims you change the subject, why is that? You need to post actual prophecies, that means they have to be supported by some kind of evidence that they are real.
You have yet to actually give an example of an actual prophecy, the ones you claim as prophecy you can not or will not support with evidence making them meaningless to this conversation. I have proven them wrong in the fact you can't prove them true. Yes that is called a self fulfilling prophecy. Again just because part of something may be true does not mean the entire thing is true. True does not mean prophecy, sorry. Prove it is a prophecy or give up.
@dataloreforever As a matterof fact, you haven't proven a thing I posted as wrong or not true. EVERYTHING I posted has happened. If it hasn't, prove it. Post each prophecy that I posted individually and prove it wrong. If you can't do that...you fail. In fact, you've already failed and don't know what to say. You're stumped...period. As for my God not scaring you, that's not his intention. He loves you genius, but we either pay for our sins, or we accept the payment for our sins. Period.
I do not have to disprove something that only exists in your mind. Do I have to prove that Bigfoot does not exists sense it has never been proven to actually exists in the first place? How about unicorns or leprechauns? The answer would be no. Until you provide actual proof that you claims are true I do not need to even try to dismantle them. You are making self defeating claims and arguments, you are doing my job for me. You should just admit defeat.
I doubt your imaginary god loves anyone, and if the bible is any indicator he doesn't love many.
I am not stumped you are just incapable of understanding you have to actually provide something for me to argue against, you have not. Sorry you are incapable of presenting any kind of actual argument or evidence.
Yes well you are not me and if this statement was true then you would not be urging me not to make videos. The only reason anyone urges someone to stop making videos or stop speaking out is because they fear the message. I do not ask you to stop because I have no fear of anything you might claim. You are self defeating, anyone who watches one of your videos can see that unless they are blind or stupid.
@dataloreforever Whatever you have to tell yourself to fell better. I Hope you come to the truth. Bye. As for fearing your message....lol. I know who wins in the end. I am saved. I know for a fact where I'm spending my eternity. I fear nothing in this world.
It has nothing to do with how I feel about anything, it has to do with you making claims of knowing something is true without actually being able to show that it might even be true in the slightest. I hope you come to the truth someday. I know where you are spending your eternity also, I bet it is not even close to where you think it will be. Right, actions speak louder than words and your actions scream fear.
@dataloreforever Bye dude, you have no Spirit at all. You're just a walking flesh machine. You're missing the whole meaning of life because you can't take your eyes off the testtube. There's no proof of atheism, but plain common sense says that nothing cannot create something, and anyone that thinks so is insane. The Spirirtual exists...known fact. Science doesn't deal with the Spiritual. People like you think it's about fear, it's not, it's about love but you just twist everything I say. Bye.
Again non of this is relevant to the conversion at hand. This has been your problem from the start you want to talk about everything but what we are actually talking about. Atheism does not claim that nothing can create something, creation on the other hand does. If atheism makes any claim about how life started or anything else started it would be we have no idea how it happened. This would be the honest approach, not making something up that you have no evidence to support.
This would be you entire problem through out this entire conversation, you keep making cliams that frankly just are not true and you can't support as true. Anyone who listens to anything you have to say is a moron and has no common sense. There is plenty of evidence to support atheism you just do not care to see it. Again atheism does not claim something from nothing, the fact that you keep saying this shows your ignorance on the subject.
Wrong again. This is not a known fact. In fact it is impossible to prove. This is just another empty claim from you of something you could never prove true.
You have an excuse for everything don't you. You belief system gets knocked back a few feet and suddenly I do not understand or I am twisting your words.
The truth is there is no actual foundation for your belief system to take it from belief to actual fact. I know this about my atheism. It is a belief and not a provable fact. Theism is the exact same thing in this regard, unfortunately theist seem not to understand the difference between fact and belief. You have not actual evidence to support your claim of fact. The evidence you have is not better than the evidence I have to support my belief system.
@dataloreforever By the way...the Old Testament prophecy I posted below about transgressors being converted.....There was no conversion to Judaism possible in those days. You were born into it, you could not be converted to the God of the Bible.
@dataloreforever First off, there is no proof that atheism is correct. That is just a lie. Evaporation in the Bible proves that these men received info that was wayyyyyyyyyy before their time, and I don't think it was Joe the Baker that revealed it to them. Thirdly, it isn't a book, it is pertaining to 911. But I have had published and acknowledged works. Atheism is a lie. Everything atheists say about the Bible is a lie. For example, the unicorn is not a horse nor has magical powers...lie......
Sorry but no it is not a lie, I believe there is plenty of evidence to support atheism as true. The biggest piece of evidence is the fact that not one god that is believed in today can actually prove its own existence. What more do you really need?
Sorry no evaporation in the bible does not actually prove information from any source outside of humanity. Even if the bible claims that the information is from god, it still does not actually prove this to be the case. It is an empty claim with no evidence to support it as fact. Show me one other historical source that says this information came from god.
You published something on 9/11, your not a truther as well are you?
"Atheism is a lie. Everything atheists say about the Bible is a lie. For example, the unicorn is not a horse nor has magical powers...lie" Your example does not actually prove you previous claims true. First of all a unicorn is not a horse or we would not need two separate words for it. Second a unicorn has never, ever been proven to ever have existed. Third you nor anyone else has ever show magic to actually exist. These would be huge flaws in your logic.
@dataloreforever ALL I have heard from atheists are lies. Atheists are the most hateful, cold, inconsiderate people I have ever encountered. 99% call name, degrade, judge and think they're better am\nd smarter than everyone else. Ans all it does is prove to me the Bible is right by saying they are deceived and led by the devil. Their own mouths prove it everyday on youtube. In fact, I think I might make a video proving it. They are hateful, arrogant, cold and inconsiderate, I live it everyday.
I am unclear how other people lying to you in the past really is relevant to this conversation. As for atheists being the most hateful, cold, inconsiderate people you have ever encountered, I could say the same about 99% of all theists I have met in my life. However none of this is relevant to the conversation we are having. Up to this point you have been pretty hateful, cold, and inconsiderate towards me.
It does not matter if theists or atheists are hateful, cold, and inconsiderate, it does nothing to prove one way or another that either side is right.
Again I have not once mentioned anything about magic or voodoo as it relates to any religion. You have repeatably though, so obviously somewhere in your mind you believe this to be the case.
Again I have never claimed I believe that "nothing can create something", you on the other hand have claim to believe in creation and that is exactly what creation says, as I have proven and you have been unable to prove me wrong. Again claiming something does not make it true.
There is a hypocrite in this conversation, but it is not me. I remember your conspiracy theory example and I showed you why you were wrong and how it made you the hypocrite.
"So you just made a vid that unscientific beliefs are magic....so post one" I see the problem here. My video is not called "unscientific beliefs are magic" it is a response video to a video called that. Sorry I did not realize you could not read.
@dataloreforever 23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. (and that's evolution)..No truth to that, you think you're soooooo wise...lol
Yes well that is your opinion that is evolution. Many in your faith would not agree with you. This is the problem these are not scientific principles you are quoting. Again blind faith on your part and you reading something and making it into what you want it to be. Evolution is not mentioned in this passage as evaporation was not mentioned in the last. Your science book seems to be missing the science.
Can't you watch his video and figure out what he is talking about yourself? His video is pretty much like every other video he has, trying to show evolution is a lie. You know the same evolution just moments ago you tried to use to prove the bible true. Seems to be a small problem there. He must not really believe in god then if he does not read the bible the same way you do. Again you do not actually watch videos before you respond do you?
@dataloreforever Are you really so blind that you can't see what the sphinx is? It's half man-half animal. dagon? the fish god that was a fish, grew a half man body, then turned into a man, left the water and walked on land wearing a fish mitre. It's in one of my vids. Are you seriously that blind that you can't figure it out? LMAO, if you are....refer to the passages I posted, he says you won't see it even though it's right in front od your face....lol
It does not matter what the sphinx is unless you can actually show it has some correlation to reality, which I am pretty sure you can't. The same goes for dagon. I have no problem discussing this with you but you need to focus a little here, you are all over the place. Lets start with you example of evaporation. Lets say you are right and that is what they are talking about in the bible. How does that prove the bible is true and how does it prove a god exists?
The problem is you claim the bible is true yet you have yet to prove it is true. Again a claim does not make something true. You only except it is true from blind faith, so yes your faith is blind as I have shown over and over again and you have yet to refute once. You just restate your claim thinking it somehow is proof in itself because you claim it is true. Atheism is the rejection of your claim because there is no good evidence to show it is true, I do not need faith for this
@dataloreforever Let's skip the chase dude, prove the Bible wrong or a lie to me. This is where you enter the "It's not up to atheists to prove anything" excuse. Just prove it wrong. Come on dude, you're a genius. It should be simple for you to prove the fairytale book that has been here for almost 6000 yrs. written by a bunch of dumb lying neanderthals. But you can't, and you know it.
Again I have done this, the fact in itself that the book has not been proven true or that there is no evidence to support it as true is not that enough evidence it is not true. So yes the burden false on the one claiming it to be true with no evidence. Until someone can show it is true the claim is invalid.
The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, which states that all systems degenerate from order to disorder, was regarded by Albert Einstein to be the premier Law in science. Again the Bible is the only religious book to accurately describe this Law: "For the heavens will vanish away like smoke, the earth will grow old like a garment...
@shadapple and also a New Testament rendering: "You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands. They will perish, but You remain; and they will all grow old like a garment; (NKJ, Heb 1:10-11)"
Man from dust...Researchers at NASA's Ames Research Center confirmed that every element in man can be found in the soil, prompting one of the scientists to say "...the biblical scenario for the creation of life turns out to be not far off the mark, Reader's Digest
.Before the invention of the telescope in 1608, scientists throughout history, including the famous astronomer Ptolemy (150 AD), taught that the total number of stars in the heavens was under 3000. On a clear night the naked eye can only count about 1000 stars. However, because of telescopes such as the Hubble, we now know there are countless billions upon billions of stars in the universe - just as God had revealed
The Hydrological cycle in the Bible..."All the rivers run into the sea, yet the sea is not full; to the place from which the rivers come, there they return again ...so was this magic, or has science proven it as fact? Evaporation in the Bible...Amos 5:8 and 9:6 that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth:he that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth:...so is this magic, or has science proven it? Hmmmm
I am unclear as to what you think this proves, they had an understanding of evaporation and somehow this proves gods exist. Again as you historical facts argument it proves absolutely nothing.
I think it's ironic how atheists try to use science to disprove God when God is a spirit and science only deals with the physical not the spiritual. Hmmmmmm, and Christians are the dumb ones...LMAO
Actually there is no need to try and use science to disprove any god when the facts about said god or gods, provided by yourselves and your religions, in themselves disprove its existence. It boils right down to the fact you have no evidence to support the existence of any god. That truth show atheism is accurate and correct. It will be until one of you prove your god exists.
I am pretty sure I have never said Christians are dumb. You seem incapable of sticking to the subject matter and wish to make this as personal as possible. Personal attacks do not help show your argument is correct they only lower your character.
You do really well for direct uploads, keeping On-Topic without many pauses and periods of thought organization. Most can't do that, kind of reminds me of the Christopher Hitchens method. Yea, I'm a real fan of his.
Great response as per usual Datalore. Emptyheadedjesus, is a more apt name for this guy. I'm glad to have you out here responding to this man. I don't have the patience for it. It's best for me to just ignore these types.
Let's try this another way, something simple you might be able to understand. If I write a passage "The rain will fall from the sky soon and the earth will end the next day" Does the fact that it rains mean this is a prophecy? As I said your prophecy is extremely general and statistically probable just like it raining soon, however that does not mean it is a true prophecy simply because I guessed it might rain some time in the future. I am sure you are entirely going to miss the point here.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
I could go on forever...but would you really listen? Just like he said....Jhn 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. Just because atheists don't understand the Bible doesn't make it not true.
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple
You probably could go on all day, but it would be nice if you actually said something that had anything to do with the subject at hand. Nothing you have said shows the bible is true or that any gods exists.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@dataloreforever I have plenty of proof. You're just too ignorant to accept it. As for your un- scientific stuff in the Bible....just ask away and I'lll prove you wrong, already did with evaporation. Come on, take the challenge. You may be too ignorant to see the truth, but some of your viewers might be able to see atheist beliefs of the Bible are simply a lie. And let's stick to the scientific "magic" you say is in the Bible. Ask away about the "magic" in the Bible. Science has only proven them
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple
No your to ignorant to accept you have no poof. Wow you think somehow you crap about evaporation actually proved something, you are ignorant and delusional. "As for your unscientific stuff in the Bible", what are you talking about? Do you actually have any brain cells that work? I do not believe I ever claimed anything about scientific magic. You truly need help. As for science proving anything in the bible or the other way around, I highly doubt it.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@shadapple
As for anyone who watches my videos, I doubt any of them are stupid enough to fall for any of your crap.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@dataloreforever ...that unscientific beliefs are magic....let's see....how can you say science disproves God. God is a Spirit and science doesn't deal with the Spiritual.....explain that one to me. You can't. Let's see....Hey, how about where he takes the ocean waters into the clouds and delivers the rain over and over again...OH WAIT...science has come to call that evaporation. Funny, evaporation is in the Bible thousands of years before science discovered it as truth. Hmmm....
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple
Wow you are thick. Again I never said once that science disproves god. Science also can't prove god, as you just said, but you keep claiming that there is science in the bible, which you have yet to prove true, and somehow that proves the bible is true. This would be some of the crap I was talking about.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@shadapple It is also irrelevant if the bible is the first book to mention evaporation or not, it still does not prove that book is anymore true than any other, it simple shows that one piece of information is true. I could say that because Alice in Wonderland contains knowledge of rabbits in it that the entire book is true. Is the a valid assumption?
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@shadapple You can't show that that is in anyway knowledge from god, I can claim it was discovered by humans and placed in that book by humans. I can actually support my claim with evidence, you can't. Which claim is more likely to be true? The answer is mine. You must prove that it came from god, the only thing you have shown is that whoever wrote that had some limited knowledge of evaporation. But you can't prove where that knowledge came from. This is why your claim is crap.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@dataloreforever Furthermore, how can you name your video "unscientific beliefs are magic", yet make the claim that science can neither prove nor disprove God? LMAO...hypocrite. You still haven't taken the challenge and posted the magic from the Bible that I can prove science has confirmed. Are you scared to take the challenge or are you just making videos to see yourself on youtube? Post the freakin unscientific magic so I can prove you wrong, or are you lying? Post some, post one...just one.
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple
Again more evidence you can't read. That is not what my video is called. It is a reply to a video called that. I am betting you did not even watch my video. Nor did you look to the side bar where the video I am responding to is. More evidence you should not be taken seriously by anyone.
Again I have never claimed anything about magic from the Bible nor are you intelligent enough to actually understand this is not the name of my video.
MORON.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@dataloreforever Well please point out the crap I've posted. And where is the "magic" in the Bible that isn't scientific? I'm still waiting. Point out the voodoo magic. It's hilarious, you believe nothing can create something, yet it's the Christians that believe in magic...lmao Atheists are such hypocrites, I pointed that out to you with the "don't believe in conspiracy theories" question....remember? So you just made a vid that unscientific beliefs are magic....so post one. As for you thinking
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple I'm thick?? lmao...I've shown you evaporation in the Bible 3 times.....and I'm thick....lmao. I can also show you micobiology, but I'm willing to say that since you've ignored evaporation 3 times, you'll also ignore micro biology in the Bible too...lol. And WHATEVER else I show you....lol. I can also show you evolution and the million year old man myth, underwater springs that weren't discovered til the 70's. How he says the deep is freezing, although noone had ever been there....lmao
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple
Do I have to re-post ever claim you have make, they are all crap. Furthermore you have not proven one claim true. Making a claim does not make a claim true. You see not to understand this. You cliam god is real, that does not prove god is real. You claim god gave some extra knowledge, but you have not show god is the source. Do you see the problem yet, most likely not, that is because you are blinded by your faith.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@dataloreforever As for "unscientific beliefs".......give me one scientific piece of proof that nothing can create something, other than the opinion of some scientists that that is how all life began. According to science, something has to be testable, proveable and demonstratable in order to claim it as scientific fact. Other than that, it is opinion. So when was the last time scientists witnessed, tested and demonstrated that nothing can create something.....never.....lmao And I'm thick...lmao
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple
I have never claimed "nothing can create something" So why would I need to defend it? You on the other hand must defend this position for it is exactly what your creation story claims. Again this would be your mistake, science has never claimed that nothing can create something to be a true scientific fact. They do however have mathematical models that show how this can be possible, with the understanding that nothing is a flexible term. Yes it would be a hypothesis.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@shadapple
I see the problem here you do not understand the difference between things that are supported by evidence in science and those that are not. You need to take a college level science class or two. I find it interesting that you attack science without fully understanding it then you try to use it to prove your book true. This is why you have failed at ever turn. This is also why you are a hypocrite.
Again you creation story has the same problem, you are to blinded be your faith.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@dataloreforever I'm blinded by my faith? LMAO...dude, you are a card....so where's the proof of atheism? Oh wait, you said there is no proof, so that makes it faith....blind faith. Atleast my faith agrees with common sense....yours doesn't.
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple
Sorry I just realized in one of your last comments that you are unable to read, I would guess you must be able to understand a few word or we would not be having this conversation. However you keep asking the same things over and over even after I have answered them. I have more then shown you atheism to be correct and accurate. This is something you have not done for your faith. No your faith does not agree with common sense, you only believe that because your faith blinds you.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
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@dataloreforever 21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
shadapple 1 year ago
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@dataloreforever lmao....you are a card. Wow, he was so right when he said this .....Romans 1:20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen (that's micro-biology, by the way), being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
shadapple 1 year ago
@dataloreforever lol....I love you man. In fact, I'm going to give your vid a thumbs up!!
shadapple 1 year ago
@dataloreforever As for me not eing able to read......I'm an author with published material, including something on the wall of the White House. Oh wait a sec...I forgot, you're so much smarted that all the Christians.....hmmmmm, I seem to recall the fairytale book saying that is exactly what you will believe.....lmao
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple
Again I have never claimed to smarter than anyone else. You have been the only one making claims, that I might add you are incapable of defending. Blind faith is all you have.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@dataloreforever Mine's not blind faith, yours is. I have a heckuvalot more proof for my belief than you do for yours. Period. All you do is run your mouth while I prove my stance for the Bible and Christianity. I've given you all the room you need to prove me wrong, you can't. I've given you two challenges and you've run from them both. I wonder why that is? Because you can't prove the Bible wrong, I've posted ALOT of proof for the Bible. All you've done is talk.
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple
I have no faith so how can it be blinding? You have not presented any proof yet. If you have some then you should present it. Also you are not presenting your side a a belief. A belief requires no evidence at all. Beliefs do not even have to be based in reality. You are presenting your claims as true and provable this takes it out of the realm of belief. So is yours a belief or not? You have posted absolutely no proof the entire bible is true
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@shadapple
"I have a heck of a lot more proof for my belief than you do for yours." So then answer the questions. Lets start with you example of evaporation. Lets say you are right and that is what they are talking about in the bible. How does that prove the bible is true and how does it prove a god exists? Of the subject I also would like to know the name of the book you wrote and what you have hanging in the white house.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@dataloreforever ...The Bible does not say the earth is flat, or that it is held up by 4 pillars. That in itself is proof that his people understand the Bible and others don't. satan was not a snake. God is not evil. And if you don't consider the fact that recorded history only goes back 4000 years just as the Bible claims (by recording the earliest kindoms/rulers/powers) isn't enough for you to question if we are being deceived or not...that's your problem. Prove it wrong. You can't. Noone can.
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple
The problem is that I have already produced evidence that written history goes back much further than you or your bible claim. A more recent example that still predates your claim would be 3800-4000 BC, the Sumerians and the Chinese both have written history. So no history does not agree with you and this must be excluded from you list of evidence. I can prove it wrong and I did. History does not agree with you, sorry.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@dataloreforever I never said the Bible "claims" it. And I also said there is no recorded history before 4000 BC, and in your own words, your comment here says that I'm right. I never said 4000 years, I said 4000 BC. There is no recorded history from any culture anywhere on the planet prior to that. Kinda throws a kink into the bazillion year old man theory...but only if you look at it with common sense. You know what is in the Mediterranean? over 200 underwater cities...hmmmm...flood maybe?
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple
Actually if you look back at you last claim that I posted this reply to you claimed the bible says there is only 4000 years of recorded history. This may be a mistake on your part, however if this recorded history is 4000 B.C. and it is 2010 now, that means we have 6000 years of recorded history, however I did give you an example that is 15000 years old and you have not proven it wrong. So sorry no you are not right. Cities under water does not actually =flood.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@shadapple
Sorry to tell you but saying cities under water is a long way from ever proving a global flood happened.
I did not ignore evaporation in the bible, I said you have not shown it comes from god or that your god even exists. It does not matter if anything is written in the bible if you can't prove the bible is actually true or that your god actually exists. It is just a book that might have some actually true things in it, that does not make everything in it true.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@shadapple
So lets move on now that we know evaporation does not prove the bible is true nor does the claim that history is only 400 years old. I can eliminate your prophecies one by one if you need me to.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@dataloreforever ...and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. ... The number of Christiand killed when he said this....0. 2000 yrs. later...almost 50 million. So....start debunking those and tell me those things are not true
shadapple 1 year ago
@dataloreforever I showed you evaporation in the Bible and you ignored it. OK, let's move to Prophecy...Mathew 24:14, "The Gospel shall be preached in all nations", Mathew 24:35, "My words shall not pass away". Psa 51:13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee. (this was written hundreds of years before Jesus and ANY converts). Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you:
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple
I'm unclear as why you believe this actually proves anything, it is an incredible general statement that could be claimed by pretty much any religion and be right at some point in history. Not really proof of anything.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@dataloreforever This is your idea of proving me wrong? lol Did I expect anything less from you? No, I didn't, here's why, another prophetic true statememnt....2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. ...sure, you atheists are so technologically savy, but you can never come to the truth. As for your general statement, tell that to almost 50 million murdered Christians and the ones killed overseas everyday. Tell them they're just part of a general statement.
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple
I,m sorry I did not see the part in the prophecy that said exactly 50 million Christians must die for it to be true. People die and are murdered all the time. Does it make me a prophet if I say someone will die today? It is called statistical probability. Yes the prophecy has no specific details. So no it is not a prophecy. This is the problem, you need it to be true but you can't actually prove it is true. I do not see a prophecy, sorry.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@shadapple
Tell me why you think this is actually a prophecy.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@dataloreforever You're ridiculous and full of a million excuses. When you stand before him, you have no more excuses. Bye.
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple
So basically you can't support your claim of prophecy with any real evidence to show it might be or is true. You are the one making the claim, that means you are the one that has to prove it is true. I do not need to show that it if false because it has not been shown to actually be true. You have not, and most likely can not, do so. You would be the ridiculous one, claiming things to be true that are nothing more than a belief on your part.
Your imaginary god does not scare me.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@dataloreforever You are unbelievable. You do realize other people are reading these comments right? I want to thank you for showing others how ignorant atheism is. You said "post prophecy so I can prove you wrong", you didn't prove anything wrong. "The Gospel will be preached in all nations", "My words shall not pass away", are pretty frickin blunt. Has the Gospel reached all nations? Yes. Have his words passed away? No...DUH. Go over the others if you need to. Ask a friend for help.
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple
Right to the name calling. You can't support your claims with any evidence so you resort to name calling, typical. I hope people are reading this conversation. I am not the one making unsupported and unbelievable claims, that would be you. It amazes me every time I as you to show some evidence to support your claims you change the subject, why is that? You need to post actual prophecies, that means they have to be supported by some kind of evidence that they are real.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@shadapple
You have yet to actually give an example of an actual prophecy, the ones you claim as prophecy you can not or will not support with evidence making them meaningless to this conversation. I have proven them wrong in the fact you can't prove them true. Yes that is called a self fulfilling prophecy. Again just because part of something may be true does not mean the entire thing is true. True does not mean prophecy, sorry. Prove it is a prophecy or give up.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@dataloreforever As a matterof fact, you haven't proven a thing I posted as wrong or not true. EVERYTHING I posted has happened. If it hasn't, prove it. Post each prophecy that I posted individually and prove it wrong. If you can't do that...you fail. In fact, you've already failed and don't know what to say. You're stumped...period. As for my God not scaring you, that's not his intention. He loves you genius, but we either pay for our sins, or we accept the payment for our sins. Period.
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple
I do not have to disprove something that only exists in your mind. Do I have to prove that Bigfoot does not exists sense it has never been proven to actually exists in the first place? How about unicorns or leprechauns? The answer would be no. Until you provide actual proof that you claims are true I do not need to even try to dismantle them. You are making self defeating claims and arguments, you are doing my job for me. You should just admit defeat.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@shadapple
I doubt your imaginary god loves anyone, and if the bible is any indicator he doesn't love many.
I am not stumped you are just incapable of understanding you have to actually provide something for me to argue against, you have not. Sorry you are incapable of presenting any kind of actual argument or evidence.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@dataloreforever If I were you...I'd stop making vids because you are one of atheisms greatest enemies.
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple
Yes well you are not me and if this statement was true then you would not be urging me not to make videos. The only reason anyone urges someone to stop making videos or stop speaking out is because they fear the message. I do not ask you to stop because I have no fear of anything you might claim. You are self defeating, anyone who watches one of your videos can see that unless they are blind or stupid.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@shadapple
Given enough time you all seem to self destruct.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@dataloreforever Whatever you have to tell yourself to fell better. I Hope you come to the truth. Bye. As for fearing your message....lol. I know who wins in the end. I am saved. I know for a fact where I'm spending my eternity. I fear nothing in this world.
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple
It has nothing to do with how I feel about anything, it has to do with you making claims of knowing something is true without actually being able to show that it might even be true in the slightest. I hope you come to the truth someday. I know where you are spending your eternity also, I bet it is not even close to where you think it will be. Right, actions speak louder than words and your actions scream fear.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@dataloreforever Bye dude, you have no Spirit at all. You're just a walking flesh machine. You're missing the whole meaning of life because you can't take your eyes off the testtube. There's no proof of atheism, but plain common sense says that nothing cannot create something, and anyone that thinks so is insane. The Spirirtual exists...known fact. Science doesn't deal with the Spiritual. People like you think it's about fear, it's not, it's about love but you just twist everything I say. Bye.
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple
Again non of this is relevant to the conversion at hand. This has been your problem from the start you want to talk about everything but what we are actually talking about. Atheism does not claim that nothing can create something, creation on the other hand does. If atheism makes any claim about how life started or anything else started it would be we have no idea how it happened. This would be the honest approach, not making something up that you have no evidence to support.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@shadapple
This would be you entire problem through out this entire conversation, you keep making cliams that frankly just are not true and you can't support as true. Anyone who listens to anything you have to say is a moron and has no common sense. There is plenty of evidence to support atheism you just do not care to see it. Again atheism does not claim something from nothing, the fact that you keep saying this shows your ignorance on the subject.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@shadapple
"The Spiritual exists...known fact."
Wrong again. This is not a known fact. In fact it is impossible to prove. This is just another empty claim from you of something you could never prove true.
You have an excuse for everything don't you. You belief system gets knocked back a few feet and suddenly I do not understand or I am twisting your words.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@shadapple
The truth is there is no actual foundation for your belief system to take it from belief to actual fact. I know this about my atheism. It is a belief and not a provable fact. Theism is the exact same thing in this regard, unfortunately theist seem not to understand the difference between fact and belief. You have not actual evidence to support your claim of fact. The evidence you have is not better than the evidence I have to support my belief system.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@dataloreforever Bye. I wish you all the luck I can.
shadapple 1 year ago
@dataloreforever By the way...the Old Testament prophecy I posted below about transgressors being converted.....There was no conversion to Judaism possible in those days. You were born into it, you could not be converted to the God of the Bible.
shadapple 1 year ago
@dataloreforever First off, there is no proof that atheism is correct. That is just a lie. Evaporation in the Bible proves that these men received info that was wayyyyyyyyyy before their time, and I don't think it was Joe the Baker that revealed it to them. Thirdly, it isn't a book, it is pertaining to 911. But I have had published and acknowledged works. Atheism is a lie. Everything atheists say about the Bible is a lie. For example, the unicorn is not a horse nor has magical powers...lie......
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple
Sorry but no it is not a lie, I believe there is plenty of evidence to support atheism as true. The biggest piece of evidence is the fact that not one god that is believed in today can actually prove its own existence. What more do you really need?
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@shadapple
Sorry no evaporation in the bible does not actually prove information from any source outside of humanity. Even if the bible claims that the information is from god, it still does not actually prove this to be the case. It is an empty claim with no evidence to support it as fact. Show me one other historical source that says this information came from god.
You published something on 9/11, your not a truther as well are you?
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@shadapple
"Atheism is a lie. Everything atheists say about the Bible is a lie. For example, the unicorn is not a horse nor has magical powers...lie" Your example does not actually prove you previous claims true. First of all a unicorn is not a horse or we would not need two separate words for it. Second a unicorn has never, ever been proven to ever have existed. Third you nor anyone else has ever show magic to actually exist. These would be huge flaws in your logic.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@dataloreforever ALL I have heard from atheists are lies. Atheists are the most hateful, cold, inconsiderate people I have ever encountered. 99% call name, degrade, judge and think they're better am\nd smarter than everyone else. Ans all it does is prove to me the Bible is right by saying they are deceived and led by the devil. Their own mouths prove it everyday on youtube. In fact, I think I might make a video proving it. They are hateful, arrogant, cold and inconsiderate, I live it everyday.
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple
I am unclear how other people lying to you in the past really is relevant to this conversation. As for atheists being the most hateful, cold, inconsiderate people you have ever encountered, I could say the same about 99% of all theists I have met in my life. However none of this is relevant to the conversation we are having. Up to this point you have been pretty hateful, cold, and inconsiderate towards me.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@shadapple
It does not matter if theists or atheists are hateful, cold, and inconsiderate, it does nothing to prove one way or another that either side is right.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@shadapple
Again I have not once mentioned anything about magic or voodoo as it relates to any religion. You have repeatably though, so obviously somewhere in your mind you believe this to be the case.
Again I have never claimed I believe that "nothing can create something", you on the other hand have claim to believe in creation and that is exactly what creation says, as I have proven and you have been unable to prove me wrong. Again claiming something does not make it true.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@shadapple
There is a hypocrite in this conversation, but it is not me. I remember your conspiracy theory example and I showed you why you were wrong and how it made you the hypocrite.
"So you just made a vid that unscientific beliefs are magic....so post one" I see the problem here. My video is not called "unscientific beliefs are magic" it is a response video to a video called that. Sorry I did not realize you could not read.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@dataloreforever 23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. (and that's evolution)..No truth to that, you think you're soooooo wise...lol
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple
Yes well that is your opinion that is evolution. Many in your faith would not agree with you. This is the problem these are not scientific principles you are quoting. Again blind faith on your part and you reading something and making it into what you want it to be. Evolution is not mentioned in this passage as evaporation was not mentioned in the last. Your science book seems to be missing the science.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@dataloreforever Really?....Hmmmmmmm, then tell me what he's talking about.
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple
Can't you watch his video and figure out what he is talking about yourself? His video is pretty much like every other video he has, trying to show evolution is a lie. You know the same evolution just moments ago you tried to use to prove the bible true. Seems to be a small problem there. He must not really believe in god then if he does not read the bible the same way you do. Again you do not actually watch videos before you respond do you?
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@dataloreforever Are you really so blind that you can't see what the sphinx is? It's half man-half animal. dagon? the fish god that was a fish, grew a half man body, then turned into a man, left the water and walked on land wearing a fish mitre. It's in one of my vids. Are you seriously that blind that you can't figure it out? LMAO, if you are....refer to the passages I posted, he says you won't see it even though it's right in front od your face....lol
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple
It does not matter what the sphinx is unless you can actually show it has some correlation to reality, which I am pretty sure you can't. The same goes for dagon. I have no problem discussing this with you but you need to focus a little here, you are all over the place. Lets start with you example of evaporation. Lets say you are right and that is what they are talking about in the bible. How does that prove the bible is true and how does it prove a god exists?
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@dataloreforever As for "blind faith"....nope....Because of the truth in the Bible. What do you have? Nothing.
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple
The problem is you claim the bible is true yet you have yet to prove it is true. Again a claim does not make something true. You only except it is true from blind faith, so yes your faith is blind as I have shown over and over again and you have yet to refute once. You just restate your claim thinking it somehow is proof in itself because you claim it is true. Atheism is the rejection of your claim because there is no good evidence to show it is true, I do not need faith for this
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@shadapple
You have faith you book is true, I reject it because you offer no evidence to support this claim. Faith is not required on my part.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@dataloreforever Let's skip the chase dude, prove the Bible wrong or a lie to me. This is where you enter the "It's not up to atheists to prove anything" excuse. Just prove it wrong. Come on dude, you're a genius. It should be simple for you to prove the fairytale book that has been here for almost 6000 yrs. written by a bunch of dumb lying neanderthals. But you can't, and you know it.
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple
Again I have done this, the fact in itself that the book has not been proven true or that there is no evidence to support it as true is not that enough evidence it is not true. So yes the burden false on the one claiming it to be true with no evidence. Until someone can show it is true the claim is invalid.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, which states that all systems degenerate from order to disorder, was regarded by Albert Einstein to be the premier Law in science. Again the Bible is the only religious book to accurately describe this Law: "For the heavens will vanish away like smoke, the earth will grow old like a garment...
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple and also a New Testament rendering: "You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands. They will perish, but You remain; and they will all grow old like a garment; (NKJ, Heb 1:10-11)"
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple
That is not an accurately describe of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
Man from dust...Researchers at NASA's Ames Research Center confirmed that every element in man can be found in the soil, prompting one of the scientists to say "...the biblical scenario for the creation of life turns out to be not far off the mark, Reader's Digest
shadapple 1 year ago
.Before the invention of the telescope in 1608, scientists throughout history, including the famous astronomer Ptolemy (150 AD), taught that the total number of stars in the heavens was under 3000. On a clear night the naked eye can only count about 1000 stars. However, because of telescopes such as the Hubble, we now know there are countless billions upon billions of stars in the universe - just as God had revealed
shadapple 1 year ago
The Hydrological cycle in the Bible..."All the rivers run into the sea, yet the sea is not full; to the place from which the rivers come, there they return again ...so was this magic, or has science proven it as fact? Evaporation in the Bible...Amos 5:8 and 9:6 that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth:he that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth:...so is this magic, or has science proven it? Hmmmm
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple
I am unclear as to what you think this proves, they had an understanding of evaporation and somehow this proves gods exist. Again as you historical facts argument it proves absolutely nothing.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
I think it's ironic how atheists try to use science to disprove God when God is a spirit and science only deals with the physical not the spiritual. Hmmmmmm, and Christians are the dumb ones...LMAO
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple
Actually there is no need to try and use science to disprove any god when the facts about said god or gods, provided by yourselves and your religions, in themselves disprove its existence. It boils right down to the fact you have no evidence to support the existence of any god. That truth show atheism is accurate and correct. It will be until one of you prove your god exists.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
@shadapple
I am pretty sure I have never said Christians are dumb. You seem incapable of sticking to the subject matter and wish to make this as personal as possible. Personal attacks do not help show your argument is correct they only lower your character.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
You do really well for direct uploads, keeping On-Topic without many pauses and periods of thought organization. Most can't do that, kind of reminds me of the Christopher Hitchens method. Yea, I'm a real fan of his.
RayetWolf 1 year ago
quantum phyisics anyone?
Lunchbox7000 1 year ago
You really like self punishment to debate these religious idiots.
RayetWolf 1 year ago
@RayetWolf
Really not much of a debate.
dataloreforever 1 year ago
Great response as per usual Datalore. Emptyheadedjesus, is a more apt name for this guy. I'm glad to have you out here responding to this man. I don't have the patience for it. It's best for me to just ignore these types.
FUCKYOURGODINTHEASS 1 year ago