@pbstl747 That is not true if you take in account going and fight a war to getting it from another country, extracting it, transporting it, guarding it, refining it, transporting it again, maintaining the whole infrastructure and using it on and IC engine that is probably 22 per cent efficient at its best. But, I'm sure you did put all that on the equation when you made your comment. BTW our taxes should go to corporations that take our jobs elsewhere by your reasoning.
@pbstl747 That is not true if you take in account going and fight a war to getting it from another country, extracting it, transporting it, guarding it, refining it, transporting it again, maintaining the whole infrastructure and using it on and IC engine that is probably 22 per cent efficient at its best. But, I'm sure you did put all that on the equation when you made your comment. BTW our taxes should go to corporations that take our jobs elsewhere by your reasoning.
@PersonalJesus348 The guys that cave were the traitors send by the big corporation because this car was a threat. Just like everything in the US lately. Gone are the days when we used to invent, design and built for the world. Now corporations run your ass in everything you do. We'll buy the same car in 10 years built by Chinese company mark my words.
I am all about saving money.... but seems to be designed for such a narrow slice of the population. I keep hearing going to get groceries in it and run errands around town? Can this thing handle even the smallest pothole, or curb? How much of your groceries could you fit in it? Forget small kids, larger dogs. Could this thing go up even a moderatly small hill in snow, or rain? Seems to me it would just be someting someone drove for fun with little real utility.
I am a conservative, not a progressive, i really wanted to buy this car not because of the environment but because of conserving my wallet. This car was so aerodynamic it had a chance to change the whole way we create vehicles. This video was obviously a ploy of the elite bankers who bought aptera solely to run it into the ground and keep us all slaves to big government and big corporations
While EV's are not viable as they waste electricity compared to ICE's and simply move the pollution from tailpipe to Powerplant, the destruction of cutting edge American technology - even flawed tech as these videos show - is just another nail in the coffin of American industry and innovation.
The country is now LITERALLY destroying it's most forward looking products.
The guy in the video is right. Butt joints are very weak. The body seam should not have separated like that. That is the kind of thing that can cause fatalities in a minor collision.
@pbstl747 Lithium is only one way to make a battery. Mining sucks, but you can't argue against the mining of one material in favor of drilling for another. Oil will definitely be gone one day, but ways to store electricity may not be. Car batteries happen to be very recyclable. Your concerns are valid, but addressable. Simply dismissing EVs altogether based on their few remaining hurdles and calling me liberal proves nothing. Mmm... Starbucks.
@pbstl747 Not true in the least. Lithium is not strip mined. It's pumped out of mineral brines from barren salt flats and dried in surface ponds. It's probably one of the least environmentally damaging things you can mine. The types of batteries used in, say, the leaf, are completely non-toxic; you can legally throw spinel-type and phosphate li-ion cells in the trash.
@pbstl747 I've been driving my electric Leaf for 6 months and it's incredible. Amazing acceleration, silent, and $100 cheaper per month than my gas car. I buy 100% green electricity. It is false rumor that electric cars pollute the same as gas cars. All studies have shown that even if all the electricity comes from coal fired plants, it's on-par or cleaner than a gas car.
@TheZeke165 These are not the people who built them. Almost all of Team A was fired after Paul took over. Remember the disastrous X-prize vehicle from Aptera? That was Team B's work.
Might as well destroy the Wright Flyer, too. "Crash testing", or perhaps "getting rid of a dangerous prototype".
FYI, a crash test of one of these models was done at 35mph and it handled just fine. An *actual* crash test, not a "remove the subframe and crush the against a wall with a forklift while cracking jokes" game.
Please stop trying to suggest that this had anything to do with the company closing. These videos are nearly a year old. No vehicles were damaged with the exit of the company. These bodies were development rejects. All of the functioning prototypes are still siting inside the building in Carlsbad. There is one of every vintage from the very first vehicle. Check your facts before you spead this crap. Some people dedicated their lives to this.
Do we know WHEN the videos were shot? Next thing that has to be established before anyone gets real huffy is weather these shells passed inspection. If they did not, you can learn a lot by messing them up.
@johnleeinslc Do you even know the difference between crash testing a car and just destroying a car so your ex will not get it? Please stop wasting my time. Adult are talking here. Go back to bed child.
@grandblan Apparently you do not know what crash testing is. You do not crash test a car with rejected prototypes. As an engineer, I know that there is formalized testing, but I also know that sometimes just "messing around" you can gain insight too. MOSTLY I was pointing out that there may be some context missing with the videos. Before jumping to that conclusion that this was vindictive destruction, I would need that context that is not provided by the videos.
"So, what did those destruction videos show? McCammon said they were taken earlier this year when Aptera moved buildings. At the time, it was decided not to take all the bodies with them, and some were slated to be destroyed. In this process, one was dropped off a forklift, McCammon said, and engineers then continued to beat it up while taking pictures and video because they were curious to see what would happen."
@dmanero They were ordered to destroy these by the owners.... do a little more research. Quite frankly I'd never set foot on one of those. It's a butt ugly death trap in my opinion.
@StarbucksChunks Your boss tells you to burn down the shop. Do you think it is right to burn down a business for the insurance money? Are you dum or just stupid?
@grandblan My God you must be a liberal who's never owned a business. They are destroying prototypes so the ARE NOT USED. I know this is probably beyond your mental capacity to understand but if someone were got get hold of the shells and build out the car, thanks to lots of litigious people (like you) the company owners could be sued if someone were to be hurt driving around in one of these death traps. Just because you think something is right or wrong doesn't make is so. Pull ur head out.
@StarbucksChunks What companies did you help start? My family help start General Motors. People like Paul Wilbur give Detroit a bad rap. Those prototypes were real cars at one time. Please do us all a favor and do some research next time before you start you spill out this nonsense. Thanks a lot.
@grandblan I'm on my third company. I feel like I'm arguing with an idiot. Regardless of "your family" being involved starting GM... YOU did not START A COMPANY.... apparently. Otherwise, you'd actually understand why they are destroying the deathtrap prototypes. They may also be destroying evidence that their POS didn't work anywhere close to what was advertised. Done... going back to work now.
@dmanero Paul Wilbur and his friends deserves to go to Prison for a Life Sentence for the charges of destruction and thief of Aptera Company Property.
This was a completely unused shell that was probably destined for the bin anyway. It was in no way shape or form a complete car and would never have been anyway. This video just shows engineers having fun and seeing if their design really holds up like it was designed to.
@FaultyFlyback Those shells were the first Aptera 2e's build by the Founders of Aptera before their company was stolen by Paul Wilbur. What they did in the first video would be compared to destroying the first airplane to fly.
Too bad Aptera is closing the doors. It sounds like to me that the failure was not caused by management but greedy board of directors. I still think Aptera can make it if they simply focus on the early adaptors and grow it slowly.
@pbstl747 That is not true if you take in account going and fight a war to getting it from another country, extracting it, transporting it, guarding it, refining it, transporting it again, maintaining the whole infrastructure and using it on and IC engine that is probably 22 per cent efficient at its best. But, I'm sure you did put all that on the equation when you made your comment. BTW our taxes should go to corporations that take our jobs elsewhere by your reasoning.
alcram 2 weeks ago
@pbstl747 That is not true if you take in account going and fight a war to getting it from another country, extracting it, transporting it, guarding it, refining it, transporting it again, maintaining the whole infrastructure and using it on and IC engine that is probably 22 per cent efficient at its best. But, I'm sure you did put all that on the equation when you made your comment. BTW our taxes should go to corporations that take our jobs elsewhere by your reasoning.
alcram 2 weeks ago
These guys caved. Plain and simple. You keep catering to everyone you please no one.
PersonalJesus348 3 weeks ago
@PersonalJesus348 The guys that cave were the traitors send by the big corporation because this car was a threat. Just like everything in the US lately. Gone are the days when we used to invent, design and built for the world. Now corporations run your ass in everything you do. We'll buy the same car in 10 years built by Chinese company mark my words.
alcram 2 weeks ago
I am all about saving money.... but seems to be designed for such a narrow slice of the population. I keep hearing going to get groceries in it and run errands around town? Can this thing handle even the smallest pothole, or curb? How much of your groceries could you fit in it? Forget small kids, larger dogs. Could this thing go up even a moderatly small hill in snow, or rain? Seems to me it would just be someting someone drove for fun with little real utility.
chesterfran1 3 weeks ago
@chesterfran1 Yeah motorcycles are for a narrow slice of the population. What country are you making this comment from?
alcram 2 weeks ago
I am a conservative, not a progressive, i really wanted to buy this car not because of the environment but because of conserving my wallet. This car was so aerodynamic it had a chance to change the whole way we create vehicles. This video was obviously a ploy of the elite bankers who bought aptera solely to run it into the ground and keep us all slaves to big government and big corporations
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miliniumjava 1 month ago
@miliniumjava I couldn't agree with you more. You are so right!
alcram 2 weeks ago
While EV's are not viable as they waste electricity compared to ICE's and simply move the pollution from tailpipe to Powerplant, the destruction of cutting edge American technology - even flawed tech as these videos show - is just another nail in the coffin of American industry and innovation.
The country is now LITERALLY destroying it's most forward looking products.
This is highly self-destructive.
Knepperify1 2 months ago
The guy in the video is right. Butt joints are very weak. The body seam should not have separated like that. That is the kind of thing that can cause fatalities in a minor collision.
ralphinator2 2 months ago
@pbstl747 Lithium is only one way to make a battery. Mining sucks, but you can't argue against the mining of one material in favor of drilling for another. Oil will definitely be gone one day, but ways to store electricity may not be. Car batteries happen to be very recyclable. Your concerns are valid, but addressable. Simply dismissing EVs altogether based on their few remaining hurdles and calling me liberal proves nothing. Mmm... Starbucks.
DaveCodeglia 2 months ago
@pbstl747 Not true in the least. Lithium is not strip mined. It's pumped out of mineral brines from barren salt flats and dried in surface ponds. It's probably one of the least environmentally damaging things you can mine. The types of batteries used in, say, the leaf, are completely non-toxic; you can legally throw spinel-type and phosphate li-ion cells in the trash.
But hey, make up whatever you want.
KarenRei 2 months ago
@pbstl747 I've been driving my electric Leaf for 6 months and it's incredible. Amazing acceleration, silent, and $100 cheaper per month than my gas car. I buy 100% green electricity. It is false rumor that electric cars pollute the same as gas cars. All studies have shown that even if all the electricity comes from coal fired plants, it's on-par or cleaner than a gas car.
DaveCodeglia 2 months ago
@pbstl747 Greetings from the Pacific NW, where our energy comes from Hydropower, and our electric cars use clean, renewable energy. Moron.
JohnGlennSpace 2 months ago
Aptera = Garbage Car....
InvestWebbot 2 months ago
even the employees agree they're worthless pieces of crap.
TheZeke165 2 months ago
@TheZeke165 These are not the people who built them. Almost all of Team A was fired after Paul took over. Remember the disastrous X-prize vehicle from Aptera? That was Team B's work.
KarenRei 2 months ago
Might as well destroy the Wright Flyer, too. "Crash testing", or perhaps "getting rid of a dangerous prototype".
FYI, a crash test of one of these models was done at 35mph and it handled just fine. An *actual* crash test, not a "remove the subframe and crush the against a wall with a forklift while cracking jokes" game.
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SingingRozebud 2 months ago
Please stop trying to suggest that this had anything to do with the company closing. These videos are nearly a year old. No vehicles were damaged with the exit of the company. These bodies were development rejects. All of the functioning prototypes are still siting inside the building in Carlsbad. There is one of every vintage from the very first vehicle. Check your facts before you spead this crap. Some people dedicated their lives to this.
Deuces824ev 2 months ago 2
@Deuces824ev I sincerely hope so. We don't need another "Don't Crush the Ev1" on a small scale
SorenTimble 2 months ago
@SorenTimble Why does GM always destroy things that people actually want to buy?
grandblan 2 months ago
@Deuces824ev [[citation required]]
roidroid 2 months ago
@Deuces824ev Hi Paul Wilbur, I never knew you had a youtube account. You are why Detroit fail!
grandblan 2 months ago
Do we know WHEN the videos were shot? Next thing that has to be established before anyone gets real huffy is weather these shells passed inspection. If they did not, you can learn a lot by messing them up.
johnleeinslc 2 months ago
@johnleeinslc Do you even know the difference between crash testing a car and just destroying a car so your ex will not get it? Please stop wasting my time. Adult are talking here. Go back to bed child.
grandblan 2 months ago
@grandblan Apparently you do not know what crash testing is. You do not crash test a car with rejected prototypes. As an engineer, I know that there is formalized testing, but I also know that sometimes just "messing around" you can gain insight too. MOSTLY I was pointing out that there may be some context missing with the videos. Before jumping to that conclusion that this was vindictive destruction, I would need that context that is not provided by the videos.
johnleeinslc 2 months ago
@johnleeinslc Where do you work as an engineer at?
grandblan 2 months ago
@grandblan from aptera:
"So, what did those destruction videos show? McCammon said they were taken earlier this year when Aptera moved buildings. At the time, it was decided not to take all the bodies with them, and some were slated to be destroyed. In this process, one was dropped off a forklift, McCammon said, and engineers then continued to beat it up while taking pictures and video because they were curious to see what would happen."
Curious engineers, is always a good thing.
johnleeinslc 2 months ago
I'd press charges, regardless if the factory was going under, this is just childisg and pathetic.
dmanero 2 months ago
@dmanero They were ordered to destroy these by the owners.... do a little more research. Quite frankly I'd never set foot on one of those. It's a butt ugly death trap in my opinion.
StarbucksChunks 2 months ago
@StarbucksChunks Your boss tells you to burn down the shop. Do you think it is right to burn down a business for the insurance money? Are you dum or just stupid?
grandblan 2 months ago
@grandblan My God you must be a liberal who's never owned a business. They are destroying prototypes so the ARE NOT USED. I know this is probably beyond your mental capacity to understand but if someone were got get hold of the shells and build out the car, thanks to lots of litigious people (like you) the company owners could be sued if someone were to be hurt driving around in one of these death traps. Just because you think something is right or wrong doesn't make is so. Pull ur head out.
StarbucksChunks 2 months ago
@StarbucksChunks What companies did you help start? My family help start General Motors. People like Paul Wilbur give Detroit a bad rap. Those prototypes were real cars at one time. Please do us all a favor and do some research next time before you start you spill out this nonsense. Thanks a lot.
grandblan 2 months ago
@grandblan I'm on my third company. I feel like I'm arguing with an idiot. Regardless of "your family" being involved starting GM... YOU did not START A COMPANY.... apparently. Otherwise, you'd actually understand why they are destroying the deathtrap prototypes. They may also be destroying evidence that their POS didn't work anywhere close to what was advertised. Done... going back to work now.
StarbucksChunks 2 months ago
@StarbucksChunks What is the name of your company?
grandblan 2 months ago
@StarbucksChunks Talking about SUVs roll and play dead. Your god is keeping you in the stone age.
alcram 2 weeks ago
@dmanero Paul Wilbur and his friends deserves to go to Prison for a Life Sentence for the charges of destruction and thief of Aptera Company Property.
grandblan 2 months ago
You wasteful no life morons, just sell them like Delorean!
phanchochan 2 months ago
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@phanchochan @Ov3riid Exactly! Someone who actually gets it.
grandblan 2 months ago
This was a completely unused shell that was probably destined for the bin anyway. It was in no way shape or form a complete car and would never have been anyway. This video just shows engineers having fun and seeing if their design really holds up like it was designed to.
FaultyFlyback 2 months ago
@FaultyFlyback Those shells were the first Aptera 2e's build by the Founders of Aptera before their company was stolen by Paul Wilbur. What they did in the first video would be compared to destroying the first airplane to fly.
grandblan 2 months ago
These people are complete idiots, if they had a fifth of a brain they would have kept it and sold it when they became classic.
Ov3riid 2 months ago
@Ov3riid Exactly! Someone who actually gets it.
grandblan 2 months ago
Completely unnecessary. What a waste.
MAJikMARCer 2 months ago
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@MAJikMARCer @Ov3riid Exactly! Someone who actually gets it.
grandblan 2 months ago
Too bad Aptera is closing the doors. It sounds like to me that the failure was not caused by management but greedy board of directors. I still think Aptera can make it if they simply focus on the early adaptors and grow it slowly.
BretChilcott 2 months ago
@BretChilcott The Management and the Board of Directors both drove Aptera to destruction. The Founders had their company stole from them.
grandblan 2 months ago