this stupid moron, is ok with gay kiling, discrimination, hatred, intolerance, women disfigurment, stoning of women, child marriages, and the rest if done by muslims . oh, but let a dreaded right weengers or a christian protest against these things and imbeciles like kos creeps out of his hole to raise his holy voice against these dreadful rigt weengers.
@desiguy55 You completely missed the point! He's saying that if US ultra right wingers had their way they would impose a similar model of authority in the US that many islamic despotic governments impose on thier societies; theocratic - forced worship of god and religious intolerance, ie., no other religions, no gays, no blacks, no Jews. This is exactly what America shouldn't be - repressed by other peoples beliefs!!! America was built to be the land off the free, not the land of the repressed!
@masala505 really so was religious right wing america before the 60's was all that?? was the religious right wing founders of america believed in all that? judisim, christianity , hinduisim, and buddahism gives people right, islam take it away. he is still an idiot.
@masala505 funny how when the so call right wingers were in chage of the usa for a hundred years no such theocracy had emerged. this is all BS talk for a master BS'r
@CATSASS1117 CNN and MSNBC are the Taliban. And liberals are Morans. As in Jim Moran, the Democrat Congressman from Virginia who blames Jews for everything.
I find the assertion that Tea Baggers or lame Christian fundamentalists are more threatening than Islamic radicals that actually are killing people on a daily basis, to be so laughable as to not even warrant a second thought.
It really makes me wonder how mentally capable Markos actually is. Christian fundamentalists have been making loud noises for decades and they've never managed to change anything significant. Ever. At all.
All it is is a cheap marketing ploy for his boring book.
@F33bs I may have missed it - but did he specifically say as you characterise "more threatening", and if so, in what context? More threatening in terms of efficacy to bring about their fundamentalist policies, or more threatening in terms of "blowing shit up"? I think in your haste to disagree with him - you have misrepresented much of his point, and whether consciously or not, are rightly laughing at something absurd - but that absurdity is in your interpretation, more than his actual meaning
@F33bs Markos is an idiot period. He compares some jerk that wants to burn the Koran and the Tea Party to Islamists? He's just a tool that gets sheep to ride along with propaganda that supports a certain political party. It's that simple. He is like Alex Jones light from the left. Conspiracy Theories veiled as truth by using less harsh lies, but all the harsh rhetoric. He's a botard that is bought and sold by the far left and unions. Complete poser jerk off. JWL was Taliban period. Fuck him.
@SippinonMickeys You've missed the point? Do you want to live in a free America or do you want your life to be controlled by right wing lunatics with a warped ideological agendas, telling you how you should live your life? If Sarah Palin's in power she'll tell you who and what to worship, who's and what morals you should have - don't you understand - she has an agenda - a christian agenda - this is the antithesis to freedom! Do you really want to live in a Nanny state?
My name is Markos. I am smart. I say that right wingers are the Taliban. They don't want a mosque in the world trade center site. They are bigots. We should have mosques and freedom of religion in every square mile of developed space. People in other countries would stop thinking we are bigots then. I would accept sharia law just to prove I am not a bigot. Right wingers are bigots and just like the Taliban. It is scary. I want a non-scary USA. Allah u Akbar if that's what it takes. I am smart
This notion that we can't throw punches? Markos, you are aware that people like Mark Rudd and Bernadine Dorhn are still around aren't you? If you are not let me give you a wake up call. Up against the wall motherf*&%er!!!
This imbecilized logic cannot withstand Socratic dialectic. This person is smart so it is obviously the result of design rather than actual imbecility, which is what makes it particularly insidious. At least Colbert, Stewart and Maher try to dress it up with humor.
The only healthy reaction to hearing this naked intellectual trisomy is horror and disgust.
(sigh).......... This man has no idea what a Christian is. Neither does Mr. deadpool03mm. It was not Christians, the disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ, that burned blacks in the south. Christians do not want to wage a religous war against homosexuals or muslims or whomever/whatever. It is the radical liberal labeling of people like these two individuals that have caused the moral decay of this country. Honestly, if Christians controlled this country there would be no debt or immorality.
Holding extreme views does not mean you necessarily support violence as your means. Christine O'Donnel thinks masterbation is a sin, a ridiculous and extreme view. This does not mean she would support violence as a mean to rid the world of masterbation. Few would disagree that there are people with extreme views in this country, but that extreme is not taliban extreme. It seems to me that you are using "American Taliban" as a conversation stopper, like rightwingers calling liberals commies.
1. The Soviets used to lock up dissidents in insane asylums, their reasoning being that anyone who objected to their ideology was necessarily insane and dangerous.
2. Gay people are increasingly being afforded civil rights and protection from criticism based on who they like to have sex with, while politically conservative americans are increasingly being reviled and marginalized based on who they want to vote for.
ron paul said a few days ago he'd like to get rid of dept of energy and dept of education, NARAL is very excited about all the pro life women potentially coming to congress, and that's not just about not wanting to pay for birth control, people, no more crazy people in congress please!
I truly think that this country has a total lack of self-pride, morales character and values. Too many people wanting to sit on thier ass and take from people that WILL get up off thiers and work for what they have. How does some one take food stamps without total humilation? why can't parents pay for their childs lunch? Why is it that too many people that pay no taxes think that the ones that DO should pay MORE. I think that if you dont pay taxes you should not be allowed to vote.
@ozonewdb cont.... It makes me sick to see someone walking down the street with their ass hanging out of their pants. Stop at a store with your children and some jerk has got his stereo beating and saying nigga, mothafucka and bitch contiuously. can't we teach our children better than this? No one takes pride in the fact that they go to work and work hard. Instead they are always trying to do least possible and still get paid. Then try to sue for getting fired.
@ozonewdb 1. many people on food stamps are simply folks who can't or won't choose between heating or eating, and paying extremely high insurance for everything else. 2. free schools lunches are the result of too many people being POOR. 3. i pay taxes just like you, we pay them as a civic duty and civic obligation.
@eugeneonegin09 I lived in a place that was so down trodden it was actually labeled "Boogertown". I had a family of four living on an income of 16,000. I qualified for so much "aide" it wasn't funny, but my pride and the way that I wanted to raise my children would not allow me to do so. My hildren have never been fed by taxpayers, not one single meal. I never took any type of housing aide. I paid my own way, at times working three jobs to make ends meet. so don't say it can't be done.......
@ozonewdb cont..... The truth is that if I can lift myself out of that type of enviroment with only a high school diploma, anyone can. It is a matter of want and pride, and the willingness to do without to have better later. That is why it bugs the shit out of me to see all the FREELOADERS in our society. I work way to hard to give to people that won't work or pay for their children.
remove god from the equation and the problem goes away, ptb certainly cant have that, the god of islam is the god of christianity, and the jews say that christ hasnt been here yet. what a fucking mess. All three are sick, to bad so sad. God or his belief, will be the death ofus all.
no wonder you yanks are so divided, your so called enlightened are anything but. an so onward and dowward you spiral, with no end in sight, at least not in your political classes.
LoL!There was a very big fundamentalist mouvement in USA in the past:Called ABOLITIONISM.This crazy christians did abolish slavery(like the pope did i Spain about 200 years before).Which crazy fundamentalists.And they found the MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX and ERASED everyone who was for slavery.This crazy fundamentalist christians and freemansons took over and killed the own civilians.They made a civil war.First industrial war in history.LOL.And so my dear friend.We have to erase the mohammedans
OK, Christine O'Donnell won the primary... CRAZINESS, RIGHT??! Wrong. Forgot to mention the fact that because of that, the Democrat is going to have an easier time getting elected. Sure, the fundamentalists are a hugely vocal minority, but no match for the world's leading system of education and the secular power of the capitalist market. Let's not elevate your argument to more than what it is: pure polemics.
This is incredible. Literally, it has no credibility. He uses this year's "buzzword" to brand his opponents and paints them as the fucking Taliban. This guy is claiming that the Christian right is analogous to a radical subset of a sect of a religion who 1) executes dissidents... usually by sawing their head off with a rusty blade, 2) uses suicide bombs as policy briefs, and 3) hosted and hid the men who killed our blameless citizens. I'm no fan of the Christians, but that IS lunacy.
@krm6886 This isn't lunacy at all, my friends. His point is that these people are working towards this style of religious state, banning civil liberties and imposing religious doctrine upon others. It's obviously not perfectly analogous, because society and the powers that be haven't unleashed these people on the masses yet, but the slope these people are trying to work us towards is in the exact same direction as the Taliban.
Even a preliminary course on religious anthropology would tear your ideas to shreds. Christianity is extremely adaptable, added to the fact that it is a MINIMALIST religion. Christianity has largely taken a backseat to economic, social, and political trends. The fact that the West is so successful owes much to that fact. Our religion has tailored itself to its situation (and been more and more relegated) than in almost any other culture. Modern Islam cannot claim any of this. [cont]
The structure and way the holy books are written provide even more room for comparison. They are very different. Religious scholarship and (lack of) consensus is also at odds. This isn't to say one is better (though I do believe that), but vastly different. Islam provides a code of law, political instructions, punishments, and commands which the Taliban ACTUALLY FOLLOW. The closest Christian group to that would be what, Westboro Baptist? Hutaree militia? Even they are better.
@krm6886 look at immigration, that's racist, some of these people probably fought in wars and know better than to profile by skin color instead of nationality, look at the rise in hate crimes on the mosques and gays, look up the franklin scandal, look at the fascist privatizing social security on the pinochet model, my god the gop platform was partially written by WILD who lobbied for AIG sharia finance, it's scary
@krm6886 please search "bombings target clinics, federal officers" and google the term "christian reconstructionism, women who have abortions should be publically executed" the study from 1994 on theocratic dominionism please, Reconstructionism would eliminate not only democracy but many of its manifestations, such as labor unions, civil rights laws, and public schools. Women would be generally relegated to hearth and home.
I'm having difficulty understanding your argument. I said that the Taliban is fundamentally different than the Christian Right. I would never claim that Christians (or the Right) are blameless, I am merely saying that 'hate crimes' and scandals are drastically different than sawing your opponent's head off. Surely this is a shared sentiment? Next, I'd point out that Christian/right-wing terrorism pales in comparison (this coming from a Oklahoma City native). One is clearly worse.
@krm6886 oh i just think some of the allready crazies in society have probably co-opted/mixed in with that movement, if you look through the tea party videos you'll see the extreme statements i'm referring to, but for those who consider dept of energy or depr of educ "big gov" they can go live in somalia where is practically NO gov, lol, i like infastructure and roads and sewers and cops and teachers too, lol! and stopping ponzi schemes and predatory lending is not "anti capitalist" that is bull
@krm6886 you think....once they'd have power in the u.s. the tea party would be the equal to the taliban....have you ever listened to their christian leaders.the bible supercedes the constitution.
Russian native, by chance? Or just a fan of Pushkin? Anyway...
No, the Tea Party (as much as I detest them) will/could never be analogous to the Taliban. Their interpretation of the Bible is a major reason. You don't hear mainstream Christians calling for beheadings, stonings, or public execution... even though the Bible may have amenable verses. Christianity is just too diluted now for that to EVER be endorsed again. The Taliban are simply stuck in a time that Xtians are over.
@krm6886 Obviously you have no clue as to what a Christian is just like this man in the video. Where in the Bible does it talk about beheadings, stonings or public executions? In fact, Jesus drew in the dirt while the Pharisese brought an adulterous woman before Him. They spoke to Him that THEIR LAW says she is to be stoned to death. He stated to them that whoever is free of sin, they may throw the first stone at her. They all left after He said that. My Lord teaches forgiveness and mercy.
Well, your Bible contains an amazing amount of bloodshed and brutality in its "intro," the Old Testament. Your lord teaches forgiveness and mercy but he also commands genocide in his name, human sacrifice, scape-goating and vicarious redemption... that's precisely the problem, the Bible says almost EVERYTHING possible and contradicts itself rampantly. When people are allowed to pick only the "fuzzy" verses, others will focus on the not-so-lovely stories too.
@krm6886 Christ is the new covenant. We are to learn from the Old Testament but are to keep to the teachings of Jesus Christ. Jesus does not talk about genocide, human sacrifice or watered-down salvation. There are psuedo-Christians, those that claim to be Christians, that are what this gentleman is talking about, but he lumps ALL Christians as 'American Taliban'. He does not know the first thing about what it truly is to be a disciple of Christ. What 'fuzzy' verses are you referring to?
Ah, so we're supposed to learn that your god commands blood-sacrifice and genocide... and then what? Forget? Forgive? This wasn't something people just did... it was attributed to divine command. So either you're throwing out the Old Testament or you're doing amazing mental gymnastics (or both). I know Christians by their 'worldly representatives' (hypocrites). As for 'fuzzy verses,' I mean the feel-good, love-your-neighbor stuff that Christ taught.
@krm6886 And the Old Testament is not 'the intro' to the Bible. Where in the Bible does Christ preach beheadings, stonings,human sacrifice, scape-goating, and public executions? Answer those questions to your own statements, please. What you have stated is almost as bad as what this gentleman is stating. Give proof to your statements. What are your sources of fact for those statements?
I said it was the intro because many Christians treat it as such so that they can distance themselves from the pure evil in its pages. Don't misunderstand me, I know about as much as the average Christian about the Bible (though I can't quote like they can), because I was raised as one. Christ doesnt preach the evil shit (though he does say some stupid things), he just refers to it as if your god/him/his father operated in a moral vacuum...
@krm6886 the american right are thankfully chickenshit like the taliban. They are tempered by secularism and the enlightenment.
They used to tie african americans after the car and drive until the screaming stopped. Or hang them from a tree. And many of those good old boys are still alive today. You bet your ass they were NRA toting, anti left, christians.
Society dragged them into a new time. But this is not to their credit.
Completely agree with the impact of secularism in the West. But the religion itself is very amenable to becoming a 'background' faith (luckily for us). I can readily admit that there has been terrible things committed by Christians in America, even in the recent past. But that is STILL wholly removed from what the Taliban is. These people have no compunction or restraint. They are convinced and their book lends itself to their purposes, and I contend it pushed them further. [cont]
On your last point, I don't credit Christians as individuals at all. I credit (or point to) the religion, its teachings, its book, and the culture around it that allows for that moderation. Christianity spread by ideas and protest. Islam spread by the sword, as a matter of fact. This NECESSARILY alters the book and its context. Added to the details in my other responses above, this all makes a big difference. Note, tho, I'm not claiming Muslims are inherently violent/evil.
@krm6886 here, google this article from washington post "Sharron Angle floated possibility of armed insurrection" god forbid these lunatics either get what they want/stealing social sec, screw up vet drug plan, raise retirement age, or not let the bush tax cut end for the rich..i'll go get that..hang on, straight from the white house economic advisor
@krm6886 now you want to tell me how some fringe in the tea party are different from the taliban on they treat homosexuals?? because we dont do that shit to gays in AMERICA, not now, and not ever, and watching the tea party rail on minorities is GODDDAMNED UNAMERICAN AND EMBARASSING and I"M TIRED OF WATCHING THEM SQUASH THE LIGHT OF HOPE THAT AMERICA STANDS FOR PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD SOME STILL LIVING UNDER OPPRESSION ALL SEE THIS WHAT HOPE DO THEY HAVE WHEN THEY SEE THAT??
@krm6886 also did you realize SEVERAL in the tea party have OPENLY CALLED FOR OVERTURNING ROE VS WADE?? would you like me to LIST THOSE?? I don't mean one or two, either..??LET ME KNOW
These would all be valid (and agreeable) points if we'd been arguing that extremists on the Right were hurting America and poisoning a poisoned pond of discourse. But we aren't. We're arguing whether these lunatics can be called "Taliban." That is simply not defensible. The Taliban are COMPLETELY different than these religious zealots on the Right. They behead their enemies; they don't argue their points, their weapons are the final arbiter. They ARE NOT the same.
@krm6886 The christian right already have the backwards attitude and the fanatical belief system down. Just give them time on the rest of it. They'll catch up. 100 years ago they burned blacks alive in the South in a carnival-like atmosphere. It's not like these people are above the same shit just because the dates have changed.
I'm sorry, but history shows otherwise. Even left to their own devices, these nut-cases would simply not behave as the Taliban does. Comparing the two might make political points, but is obviously dishonest. And I won't point at dates as the vehicle which forced Christian zealots into the modern age, I credit the Enlightenment and Western cultural developments. But yes, any religious zealotry is shit in my view... but this does not make equating them fair or honest.
Take the blinders off, this is the fellow who will take your freedoms without hesitation, if you let him. The Church has a path for a better life, but it allows free will, this fellow will not allow you any choice, but you either see through him or you don't.
This testosterone-deprived pip-squeak is always good for some lulz. How fitting that his surname sounds like a sexually transmitted disease. Hey, Bruce, you're looking a bit under the weather of late. Did you catch a case of the Moulitsas down at the bathhouse?
I find it hypocritical that 'Kos refers to the labeling of John Walker Lindh as the "American Taliban" as a "harsh turn of phrase" and then 30 seconds later refers to Christine O'Donnell who has a wide base of support from Tea Party members as a "teabagger".
I'm an atheist. I find many who support the Tea Party silly. But if the true voice of the Left is embodied in lightly-veiled radicals and anti-Americans like Markos Moulitsas unfortunately we'll only find the "teabagging" ranks multiply.
@tabber87 Markos is a US Army veteran who chose to serve and has a positive view of the US military. He's hardly anti-American.
Also, the term "teabagger" came from the Tea Party movement itself. They used that name to describe themselves before they knew the sexual nature of the term and it goes to prove a main point about how sad the movement is - it's reactionary. You go with what's in your gut and don't even think things through.
@DisturbedHavok Tea Party activists used the term "teabagger" early on in the movement because they were unaware of the sexual connotations of the term. Those connotations are widely known at this point in time so anyone who persists in using the term is obviously engaging in vulgar rhetorical turns of phrase. It's pathetically transparent.
As for his military service qualifying him indubitably as a patriot, I think Timothy McVeigh alone would cast some serious doubt on that formula...
@tabber87 Kos didn't come home and kill innocent men, women, and children - McVeigh did. Kos actually has talked in great detail about how we can and should strive to be the best in everything, but simply believing that we are the best in everything doesn't make it true. Blind patriotism doesn't help a country succeed - history has taught us that... or at least it should have.
As for using teabaggers, I can hardly feel sad about that since they call people like me Evil and UnAmerican.
@DisturbedHavok I'll try typing slower. I wasn't comparing Kos to McVeigh. My point is that the attempt to bolster someone's patriotism by pointing to the fact that they served in some capacity in the armed forces is flawed logic. It also happens to be a favorite tactic of the left when apologizing for someone who has, let's say, an unorthodox patriotism. I don't see why wearing a uniform for some period of time entitles your opinions on issues to be nearly beyond reproach.
@DisturbedHavok As for teabagging, I don't feel sorry for Tea Party activists either. Again, my point was in response to Kos' indignation at the accurate characterization of Lindh as the "American Taliban" (he indeed fought with the Taliban against the Northern Alliance) and then engages in the same petty rhetorical ploys he condemns.
@1971Goldtop Unfortunately, I disagree there is a lot of people who self alienate from those people whom you claim are those kinds of Republicans. If politics were a ship, the left side would be tipping the balance in its favor.
Its true, conservatives want to turn this country into a theocracy, but how are leftists any better? If anything they helped open the door for them by trying to institute their own "progressive" statist policies.
@WarVideo The idea is to move the country and planet into better shape for all people and the environment. How can we leave a better place with ongoing wars, business, and exploitation. Ongoing greed kills, pollutes, and lies.
When hear People use the word "teabagger" to refer to fellow humans I write them, and their politics off. They have nothing to say that I will ever care to hear. I react the same way to racists who use the word "nigger" or some other racial insults. It's disgusting. And I'm not in the tea party. I am an atheist libertarian, who votes as an independent. And people like him are why I could never vote for a democrat for anything. They are just nasty.
@SmokeRingsPipeDreams They are called teabaggers because that's what they referred to themselves as first. The left had nothing to do with the moniker.
@SmokeRingsPipeDreams You lied about teabagger being a leftist moniker that was started by the Republican Tea Party. All you have to do is cut and paste the /watch part into the browser, but I guess that your intellect is very limited in this regard?
@EloquentiaSerpentis Nonsense. Relative terms can never be used "accurately." Rhetoric like this is merely an easy way of dismissing your opponent's viewpoints and the longer both sides resort to cheap dodges like this the longer we forestall any real dialogue in the country.
@TheInflicted actually, this is a new approach,not something thats been used for a long time.
Also, we have been debating the same issues for over a decade, nobody is easily dismissing the other side. He goes point by point in his writings, you just choose to ignore them
Those of us who do research know better though. Dont take everything away from one clip.
Words like kike, nigger, jewboy, fag, cocksucker, slop, kraut, jap are all great ways to dehumanize your enemies. So that you can destroy them in the eyes of others. It brings a person or group down to a neat little package we can despise. And historically it works well to do so. I guess because this man is gay and a liberal, he feels it's okay to use a slur (american taliban, or teabagger) against his enemies. I do not. And I will not.
@knave2 Well, just so you know, I am an atheist and a libertarian, but this kind of talk is for the birds and I find it disgusting. (no matter how much I dislike religion, and I do dislike it and see it as a negative) But I also see people on the far left as following just as silly a dogma. In fact I think it is very like a religion. Full of dogma and intollerace and name calling. Sad
@SmokeRingsPipeDreams Word are meant form thoughts, opinions, and ideas. This amounts in your mind to someone calling you a Christ-killer. If you think that dogma isn't a universal concept, even the most ardent spokesman for the universe Hawking has a dogma.
He is definitely not arguing against religious people. Rather he is arguing against people who use religion has a front to promote an extremist ideology.
He also not arguing against gun ownership. Rather he is arguing against people who use violence to promote political objectives.
People seem to be confusing his argument. He is definitely not arguing against religious people. Rather he is arguing against people who use religion has a front to promote an extremist ideology.
He also not arguing against gun ownership. Rather he is arguing against people who use violence to promote political objectives.
Let's start rounding up Christian white people's guns immediately. Anyone found with a Constitution or any literature from these racist slave-owning 'Founding Fathers' should be put on a domestic terror list.
If these (100,000,000+) people resist, they should be put down, either by locking them up or suppressing them, first with tranquilizers, then by force.
Then UN troops should patrol in every state in the union to make sure no one ever again gets out of line.
You can tell this guy is a partizan because he tries to own the argument by talking about "tax cuts" for the wealthy
The real should be, if the government is going to prosecute those responsible for the credit bubble...
Take note that trillions of dollars have been stolen from tens of millions of 401K's, IRA, CD's and other savings instruments and not a single person has gone to jail...
@rllang01, I think the Dems are salvageable(they got some of the health-care reforms passed for example of a good thing), but the GOP has gone off the deep end.
@rllang01, they had to go against big health-care to do it, the fact that they got something at all amazed me. But GOP demonized it so much that many people see it as a bad thing when it is 100% good. We really needed that public option but the GOP shot that to hell.
Mark Moulistas engages in the same intellectually lazy over the top ad hominem we're used to seeing from him. We should not indulge his weak analysis and while there certainly remains a tearse at times tense debate in the GOP over our respective direction at least there is a debate of substance behind all the sloganeering.
Mark Crispin Miller in his book "Fooled Again" on the 2004 election, states the American Taliban helped steal the race for Bush & felt no remorse in this due to their vision that all politics is "spiritual warfare" against the "unholy & evil Left."
Very great points! I am a Republican and I am sick of these neo-con nutjobs that my party has become infested with. If Ron Paul does not win the Republican Primary for 2012 I will still vote for him in the election. Unlike all of the other potential Republican candidates for president he is actually one who isn't a neo-con nutjob bent on destroying the principals of this country in the name of "what's right".
@Minimum754 The neocons have been done since 2008. That ship has sailed, but I'm sorry, we're not trading them for the Paulbearers who have absolutely zero chance of gaining the nomination.
@Minimum754 Bless your heart. Social liberalism is almost always the right choice. On the issue of government function, however, it's still up for debate.
Great points Markos! American Taliban or we can call them Christo-fascists, either way they are fanatical lunatics bent on destroying America as we know it!
This guy is 100% correct. If you think for half a second that conservative Christians wouldn't use violence if they had the chance then you are naive.
@hawanja, I think the fact that the majority of Christians in California actually tried to outlaw gay marriage and succeeded in getting a law passed pretty much proves what you say is true. Unlike islam, where only a minuscule minority seem willing to use force against others, the vast majority of Christians are willing to do so. They may do it less violently, but the intention is identical: to force universal compliance. This makes them far more dangerous in my opinion. And more loathsome.
Moulitsas is correct. Just as Bruce Bawer highlighted in his book, While Europe Slept, outlining the threats presented by the growth and influence of Islam in Europe, the U.S. should identify the dangers presented by the growing influence of other religious groups on its soil. We all have to stand up to these threats to liberty, freedom and reason. There are great dangers in accepting social and cultural relativism.
This guy is echoing what I have been saying for years. Paranoid as it sounds, the fundamentalist Christian right-wingers are trying to take over by any means necessary. I have no doubt they will one day try either political dishonesty or even a military takeover - why are there all the paramilitary groups training to kill police, after all?
Say NO to the Christian Jihad.
As Randall Terry, one of their proponents said, "those of you who disagree with us, we will find you and kill you".
If we do not watch out, there will be a day when a truck bomb goes off outside Congress, and these American Taliban take over under the guise of "keeping the peace". And Christian sharia - just as bad as Islamic sharia - will be enforced.
I know this sounds like absolute lunacy, but I have talked with people who claim that they would level Washington if they could.
@1RadicalOne kinda like Bill Ayers did? That threat is much more from the left than from the right. The left continues to support the status quo while blaming it on the right. I myself am a avid Ron Paul supporter. I believe that the only defense against tyrrany is an armed populous. The left believes in globalism, I believe in american exceptionalism. Has nothing to do with religion other than i believe that someones lack off faith should not be forced on ones that have faith, and vica-versa.
@1RadicalOne did you miss the Bill Ayers part or choose to ignore it? He ACTUALLY BLEW UP BUILDINGS! This guy should be in prison, period. No tea partier is advocating violence. How about the black panthers and LaRaza, both groups are MAINSTREAM LEFT WING ORGS. that have on multiple occassions advocated violence. What have left wingers done to disassociate themselves from these groups? nothing! In fact, the justice Dept. refuses to prossecute them for voter intimidation that OBVIOUSLY OCCURED.
What about those protesters with signs like "Obama is a Nazi - Kill him" and the calls to ACORN, saying things like "Obama is a f***ing n******, the blood of his kind will flood the streets".
@1RadicalOne I was thinking about the same questions you raise. Having been studying Islamic and Culture in University for some years, and on my way to being stationed in the Middle East in a matter of months I have come to the conclusion that the difference between the Taliban and its American counterpart is the willingness to commit violence. I have heard no calls from violence from O'Donnell, or Beck, or Brietbart, but at the hint of Koranic disrespect the Arabic world goes jihad and ppl die.
What about his little "we have to stop them before they come for us" rants, like the one where he is pouring gasoline onto someone, calling them the "US Taxpayer", and himself "The Obama administration"?
And you also have the countless instances of right-wingers using Beck (and other FOX) material as basis for what they did. The shooting in the Universalist church, George Tiller, the guy who shot up a police station, the list goes on.
@1RadicalOne you are listening to Olberman and Maddow and Mathews distort what was actually said, they are masters of that. Like when Sharron Angle described the importance of the 2nd amendment as a last resort against tyrranny and they went off saying she would take up arms against the Gov. When that is not what she stated in any stretch of the immagination. I made a point to see the whole interview, they blatantly lied about what she said when she was right. Stop drinking msnbc kool-aid!
I am not getting my information from news sources. I am basing it on personal experience. It is also amusing how you are forced to write off everything that disagrees with you as part of what appears to be some vast conspiracy against you. Kind of like a truther claiming everyone else MUST be "a shill for the NWO".
And you do know where the "drinking the KoolAid" phrase comes from, right?
@eugeneonegin09 where and when did she champion armed insurrection? provide a link. Really, you need to stop with the msnbc kool-aide, cause she didn't say anything of the sort. what she stated when asked was why did she support he second amendment and gun owners rights. she only stated what Thomas Jefferson said about the 2nd amendment. Ever read his opinion of why it is so very important? I guarrantee you you will agree. I guess to left leaners jefferson was a traitor also. stop being a sheep.
Drinking the KoolAid comes from a cult a couple of decades ago, one of those stereotypical suicide religious freak cults. Since most rightwingers tend to be avidly religious - and vice versa - that is why it was a particularly...amusing phrase for him to use.
@1RadicalOne your beliefs are paranoid. I support conservative canidates but I am not a religious person. I believe the government is not responsible FOR ME, OR YOU, OR ANYONE, period. I think that there are way too many entitlements in this country. Food stamps need to be ended and go back to the commodity system. Too many people that can work do not because it is easier to not work. We cannot sustain the flow of illegals and give them entitlements, it is banckrupting this country.
The point is he used hyperbole to illustrate their ideological similarity....they are the American Taliban as far as political direction is concerned, just generally less extreme.
And some of these guys....you have no idea. They really want a regressive, theocratic American state. There has always been that undercurrent in the American state, and we need to be afraid of it.
@Redfingers Emotional responses work best to get people either to listen, consider or be swayed by your argument. Though we would like to be high-brow and consider ourselves reasonable people, we are not. We are easily manipulated by knee-jerk reactions to words that tap into our basic values. The Right does this EXTREMELY FUCKING WELL. The Left can't because THEY HAVE NO BALLS. And in this game it takes BALLS. This man has BALLS- He's figured out how to "fight fire with fire."
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The Ku Klux Kos is the Taliban. They are anti-Jewish, anti-Christian, and pro-Sharia.
StoogeWatcher 1 month ago
this stupid moron, is ok with gay kiling, discrimination, hatred, intolerance, women disfigurment, stoning of women, child marriages, and the rest if done by muslims . oh, but let a dreaded right weengers or a christian protest against these things and imbeciles like kos creeps out of his hole to raise his holy voice against these dreadful rigt weengers.
desiguy55 8 months ago
@desiguy55 You completely missed the point! He's saying that if US ultra right wingers had their way they would impose a similar model of authority in the US that many islamic despotic governments impose on thier societies; theocratic - forced worship of god and religious intolerance, ie., no other religions, no gays, no blacks, no Jews. This is exactly what America shouldn't be - repressed by other peoples beliefs!!! America was built to be the land off the free, not the land of the repressed!
masala505 8 months ago
@masala505 really so was religious right wing america before the 60's was all that?? was the religious right wing founders of america believed in all that? judisim, christianity , hinduisim, and buddahism gives people right, islam take it away. he is still an idiot.
desiguy55 8 months ago
@masala505 funny how when the so call right wingers were in chage of the usa for a hundred years no such theocracy had emerged. this is all BS talk for a master BS'r
desiguy55 3 months ago
@desiguy55 Cork it you stunned FOX Taliban moran.
CATSASS1117 3 months ago
@CATSASS1117 the real taliban is this idiot kos. what a stupid dickhead.
desiguy55 3 months ago
@CATSASS1117 CNN and MSNBC are the Taliban. And liberals are Morans. As in Jim Moran, the Democrat Congressman from Virginia who blames Jews for everything.
StoogeWatcher 1 month ago
@ion010101 zero man
desiguy55 8 months ago
Go get em Kos!
DaHonestAbe 11 months ago
I find the assertion that Tea Baggers or lame Christian fundamentalists are more threatening than Islamic radicals that actually are killing people on a daily basis, to be so laughable as to not even warrant a second thought.
It really makes me wonder how mentally capable Markos actually is. Christian fundamentalists have been making loud noises for decades and they've never managed to change anything significant. Ever. At all.
All it is is a cheap marketing ploy for his boring book.
F33bs 1 year ago
@F33bs I may have missed it - but did he specifically say as you characterise "more threatening", and if so, in what context? More threatening in terms of efficacy to bring about their fundamentalist policies, or more threatening in terms of "blowing shit up"? I think in your haste to disagree with him - you have misrepresented much of his point, and whether consciously or not, are rightly laughing at something absurd - but that absurdity is in your interpretation, more than his actual meaning
GraeHall 1 year ago
@F33bs Markos is an idiot period. He compares some jerk that wants to burn the Koran and the Tea Party to Islamists? He's just a tool that gets sheep to ride along with propaganda that supports a certain political party. It's that simple. He is like Alex Jones light from the left. Conspiracy Theories veiled as truth by using less harsh lies, but all the harsh rhetoric. He's a botard that is bought and sold by the far left and unions. Complete poser jerk off. JWL was Taliban period. Fuck him.
SippinonMickeys 11 months ago 3
@SippinonMickeys You've missed the point? Do you want to live in a free America or do you want your life to be controlled by right wing lunatics with a warped ideological agendas, telling you how you should live your life? If Sarah Palin's in power she'll tell you who and what to worship, who's and what morals you should have - don't you understand - she has an agenda - a christian agenda - this is the antithesis to freedom! Do you really want to live in a Nanny state?
masala505 8 months ago
@F33bs
Taliban extremists and conservatives, the radical right.
TheBuzzo01 1 month ago
My name is Markos. I am smart. I say that right wingers are the Taliban. They don't want a mosque in the world trade center site. They are bigots. We should have mosques and freedom of religion in every square mile of developed space. People in other countries would stop thinking we are bigots then. I would accept sharia law just to prove I am not a bigot. Right wingers are bigots and just like the Taliban. It is scary. I want a non-scary USA. Allah u Akbar if that's what it takes. I am smart
KidSheIeen 1 year ago
This notion that we can't throw punches? Markos, you are aware that people like Mark Rudd and Bernadine Dorhn are still around aren't you? If you are not let me give you a wake up call. Up against the wall motherf*&%er!!!
You stupid little boy.
bush1tman 1 year ago
"Our side..."
What side is that?
This imbecilized logic cannot withstand Socratic dialectic. This person is smart so it is obviously the result of design rather than actual imbecility, which is what makes it particularly insidious. At least Colbert, Stewart and Maher try to dress it up with humor.
The only healthy reaction to hearing this naked intellectual trisomy is horror and disgust.
CRAPCANNONS 1 year ago
I would love to watch Markos in a debate with any tea bagger
tigerzebra 1 year ago
(sigh).......... This man has no idea what a Christian is. Neither does Mr. deadpool03mm. It was not Christians, the disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ, that burned blacks in the south. Christians do not want to wage a religous war against homosexuals or muslims or whomever/whatever. It is the radical liberal labeling of people like these two individuals that have caused the moral decay of this country. Honestly, if Christians controlled this country there would be no debt or immorality.
TariffRisinger 1 year ago
@kingVillien i'm a true believer, who does have a sense of humour
eugeneonegin09 1 year ago
Holding extreme views does not mean you necessarily support violence as your means. Christine O'Donnel thinks masterbation is a sin, a ridiculous and extreme view. This does not mean she would support violence as a mean to rid the world of masterbation. Few would disagree that there are people with extreme views in this country, but that extreme is not taliban extreme. It seems to me that you are using "American Taliban" as a conversation stopper, like rightwingers calling liberals commies.
soloman81 1 year ago
Two little bits of irony:
1. The Soviets used to lock up dissidents in insane asylums, their reasoning being that anyone who objected to their ideology was necessarily insane and dangerous.
2. Gay people are increasingly being afforded civil rights and protection from criticism based on who they like to have sex with, while politically conservative americans are increasingly being reviled and marginalized based on who they want to vote for.
euphorialupstream 1 year ago
@euphorialupstream 1. soviet dissidents weren't mentally ill, and conservatards in the u.s. are mentally unhinged
eugeneonegin09 1 year ago
@kingVillien and you are 1 sad TIN HATTER!!!
eugeneonegin09 1 year ago
Wing-nut!
ashken79 1 year ago
ron paul said a few days ago he'd like to get rid of dept of energy and dept of education, NARAL is very excited about all the pro life women potentially coming to congress, and that's not just about not wanting to pay for birth control, people, no more crazy people in congress please!
isawanangel2 1 year ago
I truly think that this country has a total lack of self-pride, morales character and values. Too many people wanting to sit on thier ass and take from people that WILL get up off thiers and work for what they have. How does some one take food stamps without total humilation? why can't parents pay for their childs lunch? Why is it that too many people that pay no taxes think that the ones that DO should pay MORE. I think that if you dont pay taxes you should not be allowed to vote.
ozonewdb 1 year ago
@ozonewdb cont.... It makes me sick to see someone walking down the street with their ass hanging out of their pants. Stop at a store with your children and some jerk has got his stereo beating and saying nigga, mothafucka and bitch contiuously. can't we teach our children better than this? No one takes pride in the fact that they go to work and work hard. Instead they are always trying to do least possible and still get paid. Then try to sue for getting fired.
ozonewdb 1 year ago
@ozonewdb there IS NO PRIDE,OR SHAME anymore
eugeneonegin09 1 year ago
@ozonewdb 1. many people on food stamps are simply folks who can't or won't choose between heating or eating, and paying extremely high insurance for everything else. 2. free schools lunches are the result of too many people being POOR. 3. i pay taxes just like you, we pay them as a civic duty and civic obligation.
eugeneonegin09 1 year ago
@eugeneonegin09 I lived in a place that was so down trodden it was actually labeled "Boogertown". I had a family of four living on an income of 16,000. I qualified for so much "aide" it wasn't funny, but my pride and the way that I wanted to raise my children would not allow me to do so. My hildren have never been fed by taxpayers, not one single meal. I never took any type of housing aide. I paid my own way, at times working three jobs to make ends meet. so don't say it can't be done.......
ozonewdb 1 year ago
@ozonewdb cont..... The truth is that if I can lift myself out of that type of enviroment with only a high school diploma, anyone can. It is a matter of want and pride, and the willingness to do without to have better later. That is why it bugs the shit out of me to see all the FREELOADERS in our society. I work way to hard to give to people that won't work or pay for their children.
ozonewdb 1 year ago
What a load of crap.
drchiodo 1 year ago
"God is plowing up the modern world. This is softening the Establishment's
resistance to many new ideas and movement, among which Christian Reconstruction is barely visible at present.
This is good, for we need the noise of
contemporary events to hide us from humanist enemies who, if they fully
understood the long-term threat to their civilization that our ideas post,
would be wise to take steps to crush us." -- Gary North (economic adviser to Ron Paul and Christian reconstructionist)
Blasphemer2 1 year ago
remove god from the equation and the problem goes away, ptb certainly cant have that, the god of islam is the god of christianity, and the jews say that christ hasnt been here yet. what a fucking mess. All three are sick, to bad so sad. God or his belief, will be the death ofus all.
huskerbird1 1 year ago
no wonder you yanks are so divided, your so called enlightened are anything but. an so onward and dowward you spiral, with no end in sight, at least not in your political classes.
LeGioNoFZioN 1 year ago
LoL!There was a very big fundamentalist mouvement in USA in the past:Called ABOLITIONISM.This crazy christians did abolish slavery(like the pope did i Spain about 200 years before).Which crazy fundamentalists.And they found the MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX and ERASED everyone who was for slavery.This crazy fundamentalist christians and freemansons took over and killed the own civilians.They made a civil war.First industrial war in history.LOL.And so my dear friend.We have to erase the mohammedans
siriusstar10000 1 year ago
So true, these right wing nuts are just flat out CRAZY! There is no debate needed about this. They are just frickin' crazy.
Umberto2 1 year ago
More irony, the left calls the right racist yet they support orgs. like NAACP and LaRaza! Orgs that by definition are racist.
ozonewdb 1 year ago
By the way, Is it not ironic that gays call tea partiers "tea baggers". They are really the "tea baggers".
ozonewdb 1 year ago
OK, Christine O'Donnell won the primary... CRAZINESS, RIGHT??! Wrong. Forgot to mention the fact that because of that, the Democrat is going to have an easier time getting elected. Sure, the fundamentalists are a hugely vocal minority, but no match for the world's leading system of education and the secular power of the capitalist market. Let's not elevate your argument to more than what it is: pure polemics.
coupcoupTV 1 year ago 2
This is incredible. Literally, it has no credibility. He uses this year's "buzzword" to brand his opponents and paints them as the fucking Taliban. This guy is claiming that the Christian right is analogous to a radical subset of a sect of a religion who 1) executes dissidents... usually by sawing their head off with a rusty blade, 2) uses suicide bombs as policy briefs, and 3) hosted and hid the men who killed our blameless citizens. I'm no fan of the Christians, but that IS lunacy.
krm6886 1 year ago 2
@krm6886 This isn't lunacy at all, my friends. His point is that these people are working towards this style of religious state, banning civil liberties and imposing religious doctrine upon others. It's obviously not perfectly analogous, because society and the powers that be haven't unleashed these people on the masses yet, but the slope these people are trying to work us towards is in the exact same direction as the Taliban.
LeLimeLine 1 year ago
@LeLimeLine I KNOW, IT"S SCARY
isawanangel2 1 year ago
@LeLimeLine
Even a preliminary course on religious anthropology would tear your ideas to shreds. Christianity is extremely adaptable, added to the fact that it is a MINIMALIST religion. Christianity has largely taken a backseat to economic, social, and political trends. The fact that the West is so successful owes much to that fact. Our religion has tailored itself to its situation (and been more and more relegated) than in almost any other culture. Modern Islam cannot claim any of this. [cont]
krm6886 1 year ago
@LeLimeLine
[cont]
The structure and way the holy books are written provide even more room for comparison. They are very different. Religious scholarship and (lack of) consensus is also at odds. This isn't to say one is better (though I do believe that), but vastly different. Islam provides a code of law, political instructions, punishments, and commands which the Taliban ACTUALLY FOLLOW. The closest Christian group to that would be what, Westboro Baptist? Hutaree militia? Even they are better.
krm6886 1 year ago
@krm6886 look at immigration, that's racist, some of these people probably fought in wars and know better than to profile by skin color instead of nationality, look at the rise in hate crimes on the mosques and gays, look up the franklin scandal, look at the fascist privatizing social security on the pinochet model, my god the gop platform was partially written by WILD who lobbied for AIG sharia finance, it's scary
isawanangel2 1 year ago
@krm6886 oh look, here's another one...go figure.../watch?v=1-XrJxUg4N4
isawanangel2 1 year ago
@krm6886 please search "bombings target clinics, federal officers" and google the term "christian reconstructionism, women who have abortions should be publically executed" the study from 1994 on theocratic dominionism please, Reconstructionism would eliminate not only democracy but many of its manifestations, such as labor unions, civil rights laws, and public schools. Women would be generally relegated to hearth and home.
isawanangel2 1 year ago
@isawanangel2
I'm having difficulty understanding your argument. I said that the Taliban is fundamentally different than the Christian Right. I would never claim that Christians (or the Right) are blameless, I am merely saying that 'hate crimes' and scandals are drastically different than sawing your opponent's head off. Surely this is a shared sentiment? Next, I'd point out that Christian/right-wing terrorism pales in comparison (this coming from a Oklahoma City native). One is clearly worse.
krm6886 1 year ago
@krm6886 oh i just think some of the allready crazies in society have probably co-opted/mixed in with that movement, if you look through the tea party videos you'll see the extreme statements i'm referring to, but for those who consider dept of energy or depr of educ "big gov" they can go live in somalia where is practically NO gov, lol, i like infastructure and roads and sewers and cops and teachers too, lol! and stopping ponzi schemes and predatory lending is not "anti capitalist" that is bull
isawanangel2 1 year ago
@krm6886 you think....once they'd have power in the u.s. the tea party would be the equal to the taliban....have you ever listened to their christian leaders.the bible supercedes the constitution.
eugeneonegin09 1 year ago
@eugeneonegin09
Russian native, by chance? Or just a fan of Pushkin? Anyway...
No, the Tea Party (as much as I detest them) will/could never be analogous to the Taliban. Their interpretation of the Bible is a major reason. You don't hear mainstream Christians calling for beheadings, stonings, or public execution... even though the Bible may have amenable verses. Christianity is just too diluted now for that to EVER be endorsed again. The Taliban are simply stuck in a time that Xtians are over.
krm6886 1 year ago
@krm6886 Obviously you have no clue as to what a Christian is just like this man in the video. Where in the Bible does it talk about beheadings, stonings or public executions? In fact, Jesus drew in the dirt while the Pharisese brought an adulterous woman before Him. They spoke to Him that THEIR LAW says she is to be stoned to death. He stated to them that whoever is free of sin, they may throw the first stone at her. They all left after He said that. My Lord teaches forgiveness and mercy.
TariffRisinger 1 year ago
@TariffRisinger
Well, your Bible contains an amazing amount of bloodshed and brutality in its "intro," the Old Testament. Your lord teaches forgiveness and mercy but he also commands genocide in his name, human sacrifice, scape-goating and vicarious redemption... that's precisely the problem, the Bible says almost EVERYTHING possible and contradicts itself rampantly. When people are allowed to pick only the "fuzzy" verses, others will focus on the not-so-lovely stories too.
krm6886 1 year ago
@krm6886 Christ is the new covenant. We are to learn from the Old Testament but are to keep to the teachings of Jesus Christ. Jesus does not talk about genocide, human sacrifice or watered-down salvation. There are psuedo-Christians, those that claim to be Christians, that are what this gentleman is talking about, but he lumps ALL Christians as 'American Taliban'. He does not know the first thing about what it truly is to be a disciple of Christ. What 'fuzzy' verses are you referring to?
TariffRisinger 1 year ago
@TariffRisinger
Ah, so we're supposed to learn that your god commands blood-sacrifice and genocide... and then what? Forget? Forgive? This wasn't something people just did... it was attributed to divine command. So either you're throwing out the Old Testament or you're doing amazing mental gymnastics (or both). I know Christians by their 'worldly representatives' (hypocrites). As for 'fuzzy verses,' I mean the feel-good, love-your-neighbor stuff that Christ taught.
krm6886 1 year ago
@krm6886 And the Old Testament is not 'the intro' to the Bible. Where in the Bible does Christ preach beheadings, stonings,human sacrifice, scape-goating, and public executions? Answer those questions to your own statements, please. What you have stated is almost as bad as what this gentleman is stating. Give proof to your statements. What are your sources of fact for those statements?
TariffRisinger 1 year ago
@TariffRisinger
I said it was the intro because many Christians treat it as such so that they can distance themselves from the pure evil in its pages. Don't misunderstand me, I know about as much as the average Christian about the Bible (though I can't quote like they can), because I was raised as one. Christ doesnt preach the evil shit (though he does say some stupid things), he just refers to it as if your god/him/his father operated in a moral vacuum...
krm6886 1 year ago
@krm6886 the american right are thankfully chickenshit like the taliban. They are tempered by secularism and the enlightenment.
They used to tie african americans after the car and drive until the screaming stopped. Or hang them from a tree. And many of those good old boys are still alive today. You bet your ass they were NRA toting, anti left, christians.
Society dragged them into a new time. But this is not to their credit.
CognosSquare 1 year ago
@CognosSquare
Completely agree with the impact of secularism in the West. But the religion itself is very amenable to becoming a 'background' faith (luckily for us). I can readily admit that there has been terrible things committed by Christians in America, even in the recent past. But that is STILL wholly removed from what the Taliban is. These people have no compunction or restraint. They are convinced and their book lends itself to their purposes, and I contend it pushed them further. [cont]
krm6886 1 year ago
@CognosSquare
[cont]
On your last point, I don't credit Christians as individuals at all. I credit (or point to) the religion, its teachings, its book, and the culture around it that allows for that moderation. Christianity spread by ideas and protest. Islam spread by the sword, as a matter of fact. This NECESSARILY alters the book and its context. Added to the details in my other responses above, this all makes a big difference. Note, tho, I'm not claiming Muslims are inherently violent/evil.
krm6886 1 year ago
@krm6886 here's one...watch?v=1I7hGO1gCrw
isawanangel2 1 year ago
@krm6886 here, google this article from washington post "Sharron Angle floated possibility of armed insurrection" god forbid these lunatics either get what they want/stealing social sec, screw up vet drug plan, raise retirement age, or not let the bush tax cut end for the rich..i'll go get that..hang on, straight from the white house economic advisor
isawanangel2 1 year ago
@krm6886 watch?v=SxCiY994fpM and here's a nut from montana, the tea party, offering his extreme view on gays, sorry bastard
watch?v=tis2BX1a4Ko
isawanangel2 1 year ago
@krm6886 now you want to tell me how some fringe in the tea party are different from the taliban on they treat homosexuals?? because we dont do that shit to gays in AMERICA, not now, and not ever, and watching the tea party rail on minorities is GODDDAMNED UNAMERICAN AND EMBARASSING and I"M TIRED OF WATCHING THEM SQUASH THE LIGHT OF HOPE THAT AMERICA STANDS FOR PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD SOME STILL LIVING UNDER OPPRESSION ALL SEE THIS WHAT HOPE DO THEY HAVE WHEN THEY SEE THAT??
isawanangel2 1 year ago
@krm6886 also did you realize SEVERAL in the tea party have OPENLY CALLED FOR OVERTURNING ROE VS WADE?? would you like me to LIST THOSE?? I don't mean one or two, either..??LET ME KNOW
isawanangel2 1 year ago
@isawanangel2
These would all be valid (and agreeable) points if we'd been arguing that extremists on the Right were hurting America and poisoning a poisoned pond of discourse. But we aren't. We're arguing whether these lunatics can be called "Taliban." That is simply not defensible. The Taliban are COMPLETELY different than these religious zealots on the Right. They behead their enemies; they don't argue their points, their weapons are the final arbiter. They ARE NOT the same.
krm6886 1 year ago
@krm6886 yeah that's a big distinction true
isawanangel2 1 year ago
@krm6886 The christian right already have the backwards attitude and the fanatical belief system down. Just give them time on the rest of it. They'll catch up. 100 years ago they burned blacks alive in the South in a carnival-like atmosphere. It's not like these people are above the same shit just because the dates have changed.
deadpool03mm 1 year ago
@deadpool03mm
I'm sorry, but history shows otherwise. Even left to their own devices, these nut-cases would simply not behave as the Taliban does. Comparing the two might make political points, but is obviously dishonest. And I won't point at dates as the vehicle which forced Christian zealots into the modern age, I credit the Enlightenment and Western cultural developments. But yes, any religious zealotry is shit in my view... but this does not make equating them fair or honest.
krm6886 1 year ago
Take the blinders off, this is the fellow who will take your freedoms without hesitation, if you let him. The Church has a path for a better life, but it allows free will, this fellow will not allow you any choice, but you either see through him or you don't.
GBS990 1 year ago
This guy is nothing more than a modern day fascist pig. It is ignorant fools like this that are destroying freedom and liberty.
putittogether 1 year ago
This testosterone-deprived pip-squeak is always good for some lulz. How fitting that his surname sounds like a sexually transmitted disease. Hey, Bruce, you're looking a bit under the weather of late. Did you catch a case of the Moulitsas down at the bathhouse?
Sorry4DoublePosting 1 year ago
what an idiot. He clearly doesn't understand what the real Taliban is about.
Christobanistan 1 year ago
I find it hypocritical that 'Kos refers to the labeling of John Walker Lindh as the "American Taliban" as a "harsh turn of phrase" and then 30 seconds later refers to Christine O'Donnell who has a wide base of support from Tea Party members as a "teabagger".
I'm an atheist. I find many who support the Tea Party silly. But if the true voice of the Left is embodied in lightly-veiled radicals and anti-Americans like Markos Moulitsas unfortunately we'll only find the "teabagging" ranks multiply.
tabber87 1 year ago
@tabber87 Markos is a US Army veteran who chose to serve and has a positive view of the US military. He's hardly anti-American.
Also, the term "teabagger" came from the Tea Party movement itself. They used that name to describe themselves before they knew the sexual nature of the term and it goes to prove a main point about how sad the movement is - it's reactionary. You go with what's in your gut and don't even think things through.
DisturbedHavok 1 year ago 3
@DisturbedHavok "They used that name to describe themselves before they knew the sexual nature of the term..."
Uhm...no they didn't.
frashure 1 year ago
@DisturbedHavok Tea Party activists used the term "teabagger" early on in the movement because they were unaware of the sexual connotations of the term. Those connotations are widely known at this point in time so anyone who persists in using the term is obviously engaging in vulgar rhetorical turns of phrase. It's pathetically transparent.
As for his military service qualifying him indubitably as a patriot, I think Timothy McVeigh alone would cast some serious doubt on that formula...
tabber87 1 year ago
@tabber87 Kos didn't come home and kill innocent men, women, and children - McVeigh did. Kos actually has talked in great detail about how we can and should strive to be the best in everything, but simply believing that we are the best in everything doesn't make it true. Blind patriotism doesn't help a country succeed - history has taught us that... or at least it should have.
As for using teabaggers, I can hardly feel sad about that since they call people like me Evil and UnAmerican.
DisturbedHavok 1 year ago
@DisturbedHavok I'll try typing slower. I wasn't comparing Kos to McVeigh. My point is that the attempt to bolster someone's patriotism by pointing to the fact that they served in some capacity in the armed forces is flawed logic. It also happens to be a favorite tactic of the left when apologizing for someone who has, let's say, an unorthodox patriotism. I don't see why wearing a uniform for some period of time entitles your opinions on issues to be nearly beyond reproach.
tabber87 1 year ago
@DisturbedHavok As for teabagging, I don't feel sorry for Tea Party activists either. Again, my point was in response to Kos' indignation at the accurate characterization of Lindh as the "American Taliban" (he indeed fought with the Taliban against the Northern Alliance) and then engages in the same petty rhetorical ploys he condemns.
tabber87 1 year ago
@1971Goldtop Unfortunately, I disagree there is a lot of people who self alienate from those people whom you claim are those kinds of Republicans. If politics were a ship, the left side would be tipping the balance in its favor.
knave2 1 year ago
The Tea Party wants smaller Government, that is limited in it's power. And they realize that taxing the rich - hurts the poor too.
The left keeps calling the tea party crazy. calling them religeous nut jobs etc, cheering on this worldwide expansion of Government power.
LibertyDownUnder 1 year ago
Markos is correct.
jensen1901 1 year ago
Its true, conservatives want to turn this country into a theocracy, but how are leftists any better? If anything they helped open the door for them by trying to institute their own "progressive" statist policies.
WarVideo 1 year ago
@WarVideo The idea is to move the country and planet into better shape for all people and the environment. How can we leave a better place with ongoing wars, business, and exploitation. Ongoing greed kills, pollutes, and lies.
knave2 1 year ago
@knave2
And the way to achieve those so called proper ends is by destroying freedom and violatimg individual rights?
WarVideo 1 year ago
@WarVideo No by stopping the media consolidation machine that drives the getaway car for the thieves.
knave2 1 year ago
When hear People use the word "teabagger" to refer to fellow humans I write them, and their politics off. They have nothing to say that I will ever care to hear. I react the same way to racists who use the word "nigger" or some other racial insults. It's disgusting. And I'm not in the tea party. I am an atheist libertarian, who votes as an independent. And people like him are why I could never vote for a democrat for anything. They are just nasty.
SmokeRingsPipeDreams 1 year ago
@SmokeRingsPipeDreams They are called teabaggers because that's what they referred to themselves as first. The left had nothing to do with the moniker.
knave2 1 year ago
@SmokeRingsPipeDreams If the right is guilty you should admit it and move on. Here's what I mean: /watch?v=OLsKt4O4Yw8
You are fooling nobody you,it's simple you've just been caught in a lie. You have no hubris though.
knave2 1 year ago
@knave2 The link you posted doesn't go anywhere, and what lie am I caught in?
SmokeRingsPipeDreams 1 year ago
@SmokeRingsPipeDreams You lied about teabagger being a leftist moniker that was started by the Republican Tea Party. All you have to do is cut and paste the /watch part into the browser, but I guess that your intellect is very limited in this regard?
knave2 1 year ago
@knave2 I tried to have a converstation with you, but just like every other left winger you've resorted to personal insults. We are done talking.
SmokeRingsPipeDreams 1 year ago
@SmokeRingsPipeDreams Fine go away and cry when I just asked a question liar.
knave2 1 year ago
@SmokeRingsPipeDreams Furthermore , if I were a left winger I wouldn't be bothering to talk to you. I would just laugh and move on.
knave2 1 year ago
Yeah, he's not gay at all. Nope. not gay.
dac8555 1 year ago
They are not the "AmericanTaliband," they are Fascist Fundamentalist Christian Reform Domonionists.
knave2 1 year ago
No matter what your political position is, it makes you sound more credible to label the opposing side as extremists.
TheInflicted 1 year ago
@TheInflicted but you have to admit it's refreshing to see the term used Accurately for once...
EloquentiaSerpentis 1 year ago
@EloquentiaSerpentis Nonsense. Relative terms can never be used "accurately." Rhetoric like this is merely an easy way of dismissing your opponent's viewpoints and the longer both sides resort to cheap dodges like this the longer we forestall any real dialogue in the country.
TheInflicted 1 year ago
@TheInflicted actually, this is a new approach,not something thats been used for a long time.
Also, we have been debating the same issues for over a decade, nobody is easily dismissing the other side. He goes point by point in his writings, you just choose to ignore them
Those of us who do research know better though. Dont take everything away from one clip.
waltermh111 1 year ago
@TheInflicted Only if you can back it up with the oppositions own words and actions. Simple enough to do here luckily
waltermh111 1 year ago
Finally some fighting words from an American progressive.
blackiron60 1 year ago 3
Words like kike, nigger, jewboy, fag, cocksucker, slop, kraut, jap are all great ways to dehumanize your enemies. So that you can destroy them in the eyes of others. It brings a person or group down to a neat little package we can despise. And historically it works well to do so. I guess because this man is gay and a liberal, he feels it's okay to use a slur (american taliban, or teabagger) against his enemies. I do not. And I will not.
SmokeRingsPipeDreams 1 year ago 2
@SmokeRingsPipeDreams I think the turn a phrase is catchy, but they're clearly mostly Fascist Christian Domionists.
knave2 1 year ago
@knave2 Well, just so you know, I am an atheist and a libertarian, but this kind of talk is for the birds and I find it disgusting. (no matter how much I dislike religion, and I do dislike it and see it as a negative) But I also see people on the far left as following just as silly a dogma. In fact I think it is very like a religion. Full of dogma and intollerace and name calling. Sad
SmokeRingsPipeDreams 1 year ago
@SmokeRingsPipeDreams Word are meant form thoughts, opinions, and ideas. This amounts in your mind to someone calling you a Christ-killer. If you think that dogma isn't a universal concept, even the most ardent spokesman for the universe Hawking has a dogma.
knave2 1 year ago
People seem to be confusing his argument.
He is definitely not arguing against religious people. Rather he is arguing against people who use religion has a front to promote an extremist ideology.
He also not arguing against gun ownership. Rather he is arguing against people who use violence to promote political objectives.
AdamWho 1 year ago 3
People seem to be confusing his argument. He is definitely not arguing against religious people. Rather he is arguing against people who use religion has a front to promote an extremist ideology.
He also not arguing against gun ownership. Rather he is arguing against people who use violence to promote political objectives.
AdamWho 1 year ago
Both the Republican and Democrat parties have used violence around the world to keep their power structure.
Dems and Repubs, together, have murdered tens of millions of people around the world.
You want to know why the world hates America ? The elephant and the donkey.
rllang01 1 year ago
Sarah Palin Inciting Violence
watch?v=k2yzRvNQo_U
watch?v=1BsRFoDH-Oo
ndyt 1 year ago
I agree.
Let's start rounding up Christian white people's guns immediately. Anyone found with a Constitution or any literature from these racist slave-owning 'Founding Fathers' should be put on a domestic terror list.
If these (100,000,000+) people resist, they should be put down, either by locking them up or suppressing them, first with tranquilizers, then by force.
Then UN troops should patrol in every state in the union to make sure no one ever again gets out of line.
Then we'll be safe.
CRAPCANNONS 1 year ago 2
@CRAPCANNONS COME TRY!!!!!!
ozonewdb 1 year ago
You can tell this guy is a partizan because he tries to own the argument by talking about "tax cuts" for the wealthy
The real should be, if the government is going to prosecute those responsible for the credit bubble...
Take note that trillions of dollars have been stolen from tens of millions of 401K's, IRA, CD's and other savings instruments and not a single person has gone to jail...
rllang01 1 year ago
This guy is a partizan.
dont listen to him.
Both the democrats and the republicans have sold the wealth of this country for their own personal gain.
republicans and democrats ARE the "government establishment" that has driven this country to ruin.
Thats why I vote 3rd party candidates only.
rllang01 1 year ago
@rllang01, yes, both sides have sold out, but only the right wing is IN-SIGHTING violence.
Sarah Palin Inciting Violence
watch?v=k2yzRvNQo_U
watch?v=1BsRFoDH-Oo
ndyt 1 year ago
@ndyt My point is to remove both democrat and republican parties from power.
Both parties are mad, both parties are corrupt and both have used violence for their agendas.
I know that Palin is a power hungry fanatic. All republicans and democrats are.
People that seek politcal office thru democrat or republican organizations are, by default, fanatics for power.
rllang01 1 year ago
@rllang01, I think the Dems are salvageable(they got some of the health-care reforms passed for example of a good thing), but the GOP has gone off the deep end.
ndyt 1 year ago
@ndyt just because a wife beater buys his kids a new pair of shoes doesnt mean he is a good person.
rllang01 1 year ago
@rllang01, they had to go against big health-care to do it, the fact that they got something at all amazed me. But GOP demonized it so much that many people see it as a bad thing when it is 100% good. We really needed that public option but the GOP shot that to hell.
ndyt 1 year ago
@ndyt you're having a tit-for-tat debate with yourself about the differences between the repubs and the democrats.
But the reality and the point is, both parties will and have used voilence around the world to keep their status quo power structure intact.
For you to favor any politcal agenda from either of these parties is your validation of the "bombs away" policy used by them.
rllang01 1 year ago
@rllang01, I guess I have to agree with that. They both support Israel, which is basically like supporting genocide.
ndyt 1 year ago
@ndyt Good point on israel.
rllang01 1 year ago
Call them out, Markos.
AtheistdotEDU 1 year ago
Mark Moulistas engages in the same intellectually lazy over the top ad hominem we're used to seeing from him. We should not indulge his weak analysis and while there certainly remains a tearse at times tense debate in the GOP over our respective direction at least there is a debate of substance behind all the sloganeering.
GOPsithlord 1 year ago
Bumper sticker Government,
The only way to get most Americans to understand.
Metric system anyone?
WE not so smart.
FlowerClown 1 year ago
@FlowerClown, Only a Hawaiian could make do with a decibet.
ananiasacts 1 year ago
The worst thing about extremism is that we always think it's not for us. It's about some far away place. Let's think again.
Francebrasil 1 year ago
Mark Crispin Miller in his book "Fooled Again" on the 2004 election, states the American Taliban helped steal the race for Bush & felt no remorse in this due to their vision that all politics is "spiritual warfare" against the "unholy & evil Left."
marcostar57 1 year ago
Very great points! I am a Republican and I am sick of these neo-con nutjobs that my party has become infested with. If Ron Paul does not win the Republican Primary for 2012 I will still vote for him in the election. Unlike all of the other potential Republican candidates for president he is actually one who isn't a neo-con nutjob bent on destroying the principals of this country in the name of "what's right".
Minimum754 1 year ago 6
@Minimum754 The neocons have been done since 2008. That ship has sailed, but I'm sorry, we're not trading them for the Paulbearers who have absolutely zero chance of gaining the nomination.
GOPsithlord 1 year ago
@Minimum754 Bless your heart. Social liberalism is almost always the right choice. On the issue of government function, however, it's still up for debate.
LeLimeLine 1 year ago
@LeLimeLine i'm a centrist, independent, the far left threat was scary, this is scary!
isawanangel2 1 year ago
Great points Markos! American Taliban or we can call them Christo-fascists, either way they are fanatical lunatics bent on destroying America as we know it!
marcostar57 1 year ago
This guy is 100% correct. If you think for half a second that conservative Christians wouldn't use violence if they had the chance then you are naive.
hawanja 1 year ago 2
@hawanja, I think the fact that the majority of Christians in California actually tried to outlaw gay marriage and succeeded in getting a law passed pretty much proves what you say is true. Unlike islam, where only a minuscule minority seem willing to use force against others, the vast majority of Christians are willing to do so. They may do it less violently, but the intention is identical: to force universal compliance. This makes them far more dangerous in my opinion. And more loathsome.
ananiasacts 1 year ago
Moulitsas is correct. Just as Bruce Bawer highlighted in his book, While Europe Slept, outlining the threats presented by the growth and influence of Islam in Europe, the U.S. should identify the dangers presented by the growing influence of other religious groups on its soil. We all have to stand up to these threats to liberty, freedom and reason. There are great dangers in accepting social and cultural relativism.
FormulaWill 1 year ago
This guy is echoing what I have been saying for years. Paranoid as it sounds, the fundamentalist Christian right-wingers are trying to take over by any means necessary. I have no doubt they will one day try either political dishonesty or even a military takeover - why are there all the paramilitary groups training to kill police, after all?
Say NO to the Christian Jihad.
As Randall Terry, one of their proponents said, "those of you who disagree with us, we will find you and kill you".
1RadicalOne 1 year ago 18
[Cont'd]
If we do not watch out, there will be a day when a truck bomb goes off outside Congress, and these American Taliban take over under the guise of "keeping the peace". And Christian sharia - just as bad as Islamic sharia - will be enforced.
I know this sounds like absolute lunacy, but I have talked with people who claim that they would level Washington if they could.
1RadicalOne 1 year ago 15
@1RadicalOne yeah you should all join the holy church of denim and join its private military for freedom. Trust me i wont abuse power at all.
Shydrow 1 year ago
@1RadicalOne kinda like Bill Ayers did? That threat is much more from the left than from the right. The left continues to support the status quo while blaming it on the right. I myself am a avid Ron Paul supporter. I believe that the only defense against tyrrany is an armed populous. The left believes in globalism, I believe in american exceptionalism. Has nothing to do with religion other than i believe that someones lack off faith should not be forced on ones that have faith, and vica-versa.
ozonewdb 1 year ago
"That threat is much more from the left than from the right."
Evidence?
And what about things like the shooting in the Universalist church, that, according to the shooter, had "a liberal agenda"?
Or the shooter of several police who claimed he "had to get them before Obama could take away his guns"
1RadicalOne 1 year ago
@1RadicalOne did you miss the Bill Ayers part or choose to ignore it? He ACTUALLY BLEW UP BUILDINGS! This guy should be in prison, period. No tea partier is advocating violence. How about the black panthers and LaRaza, both groups are MAINSTREAM LEFT WING ORGS. that have on multiple occassions advocated violence. What have left wingers done to disassociate themselves from these groups? nothing! In fact, the justice Dept. refuses to prossecute them for voter intimidation that OBVIOUSLY OCCURED.
ozonewdb 1 year ago
"No tea partier is advocating violence."
What about those protesters with signs like "Obama is a Nazi - Kill him" and the calls to ACORN, saying things like "Obama is a f***ing n******, the blood of his kind will flood the streets".
1RadicalOne 1 year ago
@1RadicalOne I was thinking about the same questions you raise. Having been studying Islamic and Culture in University for some years, and on my way to being stationed in the Middle East in a matter of months I have come to the conclusion that the difference between the Taliban and its American counterpart is the willingness to commit violence. I have heard no calls from violence from O'Donnell, or Beck, or Brietbart, but at the hint of Koranic disrespect the Arabic world goes jihad and ppl die.
StuartHughes2990 1 year ago
No calls for violence from Beck?
What about his little "we have to stop them before they come for us" rants, like the one where he is pouring gasoline onto someone, calling them the "US Taxpayer", and himself "The Obama administration"?
And you also have the countless instances of right-wingers using Beck (and other FOX) material as basis for what they did. The shooting in the Universalist church, George Tiller, the guy who shot up a police station, the list goes on.
1RadicalOne 1 year ago 4
@1RadicalOne you are listening to Olberman and Maddow and Mathews distort what was actually said, they are masters of that. Like when Sharron Angle described the importance of the 2nd amendment as a last resort against tyrranny and they went off saying she would take up arms against the Gov. When that is not what she stated in any stretch of the immagination. I made a point to see the whole interview, they blatantly lied about what she said when she was right. Stop drinking msnbc kool-aid!
ozonewdb 1 year ago
I am not getting my information from news sources. I am basing it on personal experience. It is also amusing how you are forced to write off everything that disagrees with you as part of what appears to be some vast conspiracy against you. Kind of like a truther claiming everyone else MUST be "a shill for the NWO".
And you do know where the "drinking the KoolAid" phrase comes from, right?
1RadicalOne 1 year ago
@ozonewdb sharon angle is a wing nut whochampions armed insurrection if her side doesn't get her way.....sounds like TREASON to me.
eugeneonegin09 1 year ago
@eugeneonegin09 where and when did she champion armed insurrection? provide a link. Really, you need to stop with the msnbc kool-aide, cause she didn't say anything of the sort. what she stated when asked was why did she support he second amendment and gun owners rights. she only stated what Thomas Jefferson said about the 2nd amendment. Ever read his opinion of why it is so very important? I guarrantee you you will agree. I guess to left leaners jefferson was a traitor also. stop being a sheep.
ozonewdb 1 year ago
@ozonewdb 1. baaaaaah! baaaaaaaaah! 2. jefferson was a slave owner.
eugeneonegin09 1 year ago
@1RadicalOne how 'bout his tasteless attack on nancy pelosi where he persuades her to drink poisoned white
eugeneonegin09 1 year ago
Drinking the KoolAid comes from a cult a couple of decades ago, one of those stereotypical suicide religious freak cults. Since most rightwingers tend to be avidly religious - and vice versa - that is why it was a particularly...amusing phrase for him to use.
1RadicalOne 1 year ago
@1RadicalOne your beliefs are paranoid. I support conservative canidates but I am not a religious person. I believe the government is not responsible FOR ME, OR YOU, OR ANYONE, period. I think that there are way too many entitlements in this country. Food stamps need to be ended and go back to the commodity system. Too many people that can work do not because it is easier to not work. We cannot sustain the flow of illegals and give them entitlements, it is banckrupting this country.
ozonewdb 1 year ago
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They are crazy that is sure, but they are not the Taliban they don't cut peoples heads off.
notmycupotea 1 year ago
@notmycupotea True, but I think the phrase hold because it works. Its not a perfect analogy to tea partiers but close enough.
thesparitan 1 year ago
@thesparitan yeah like Obama is a muslim, may not be true, but close enough.
ozonewdb 1 year ago
The point is he used hyperbole to illustrate their ideological similarity....they are the American Taliban as far as political direction is concerned, just generally less extreme.
And some of these guys....you have no idea. They really want a regressive, theocratic American state. There has always been that undercurrent in the American state, and we need to be afraid of it.
Redfingers 1 year ago 8
@Redfingers Emotional responses work best to get people either to listen, consider or be swayed by your argument. Though we would like to be high-brow and consider ourselves reasonable people, we are not. We are easily manipulated by knee-jerk reactions to words that tap into our basic values. The Right does this EXTREMELY FUCKING WELL. The Left can't because THEY HAVE NO BALLS. And in this game it takes BALLS. This man has BALLS- He's figured out how to "fight fire with fire."
magog1138 1 year ago
Taxes should be abolished.