State of Climate Science - Dr Lubchenco Demonstration Pt 1

[davidmaren2000]

this is ridiculous. co2 has and never will cause acidification of the oceans. her and holdren and all the global warming oh wait this moniker has been discredited, wait they have changed it to climate change. what political nonsense. her experiment is laughable.

[thegoodlocust]

This lady is a liar. The pH of the ocean is 8 and has been 8 for hundreds of years. She is adding far more CO2 into the tap water (pH of 7) than is possible in nature - also, if she waited then almost all of it would've simply outgassed from the water - that's why she has to rush and do it right away since you can see the CO2 bubbling out of the water - it can't hold it at that room temps.

Also, corals evolved when CO2 was FAR higher than it currently is - they are being hurt by farm runoff.

[HenryNichols50]

The "acidification" word game really irritates me. It gets picked up by journalists who quite logically conclude: if the ocean is acidifying it must be acidic. So "acid oceans" works it's way into headlines. The result is 28,400 google hits on the nonsensical phrase "acid ocean"

[TRUMPHENT]

@HenryNichols50 Acidification is relative. If the ph of a liquid drops, it is acidifying. It's the only way to describe it. Well, it's the only correct way to describe it.

[HenryNichols50]

It would be incorrect to say that the pH is lowered? It would be incorrect to say the ocean becomes less basic?

It would be incorrect to say the ocean becomes less alkaline? It would be incorrect to say the ocean gets closer to neutral? Please.

[TRUMPHENT]

@HenryNichols50 Adding an acid is acidifying the water no matter what the start point ph is. I thought they taught that in junior high school.

[Shadowrain2TV]

I like the demonstration that it KILLS corals and shellfish. Perhaps now the public will wake up to these effects on our sealife which will effect us in the future. If we allow these levels to rise it may be our demise!

[FerdiEgb]

Sorry, but as good as for vegetation, corals and shellfish need CO2 and not only survived much higher CO2 levels in the (far) past, but produced thicker and more abundant shells. The white cliffs of Dover (UK) are remnants of the 10-12 times higher CO2 levels (and higher temperatures) during the Cretaceous time period.

[michelleferreyra]

That's plain fraud. She's adding about 2500% more CO2 to the water than the proportion that seas are actually absorbing! There is no enough CO2 in the entire Earth's atmosphere to make the oceans acidic.

This woman should be sent to jail as soon as possible because she is willfully deceiving people to impose their malthusian policies that will impoverish the entire mankind making those already poor die fom hunger.

[StopTheCarbonTax1]

What's really amazing is that she thinks the members of congress are so dumb that they won't notice that she's lying.

[thegoodlocust]

Notice her lying? They're counting on it!

[FerdiEgb]

This a shame! Dr. Lubchenco either has not the slightest knowledge of (ocean) chemistry, or she is simply lying.

She "forgets" that seawater is not fresh water. Seawater has an enormous buffer capacity to widthstand large changes in pH and it is alkaline, not neutral. Fish, corals and coccoliths trive under much higher CO2 levels of te atmosphere. Most of the carbonate deposits we see today are from the Cretaceous when CO2 levels were 10-12 times higher than today. This is pure misleading.

[rjnagle]

That's not true. At the end she said that the same phenomenon exists for sea water as with tap water.

[FerdiEgb]

Well, that is the lie! Of course if you add extreme quantities of CO2 or a strong acid (like acetic acid in demo 2), you ultimately reach low pH's and the solution will become acid. But that is practically impossible for seawater, even if you burn all known reserves of oil and coal. But please, don't believe me on my words, just ask anybody with a chemistry background who knows what a buffer solution does...

[StopTheCarbonTax1]

Her PHD is not in oceanography--no wonder she doesn't understand the ocean's chemistry--but I would at least expect her to understand what a PH value is.

[StopTheCarbonTax1]

Since the ocean is alkaline and can never be acidic, "ocean acidification" is a lie.

"Slightly reduced alkaline level" wasn't as scary as "ocean acidification," and even that is ridiculous because the maximum reduced alkaline level that could be caused by CO2 by 2050 is less than the margin of error of the alkaline level measurement.

She also doesn't say that where CO2 in the ocean is slightly higher, phytoplankton bloom along with all other life, including whales.

[StopTheCarbonTax1]

Acidification: to make or become acid; convert into an acid.

PH value of 7 is neutral, lower than 7 is acidic, higher is alkakine. The ocean's PH is over 8.

Isn't there a law against lying to congress?

Dr. Lubchenko should be arrested.

To take such great risk of doing something so despicable and illegal, there must be a lot at stake for her--perhaps a job in a major corporation exploiting the carbon credits markets when she leaves NOAA?

[StopTheCarbonTax1]

Professor Richard Lindzen of MIT: We now know that the effect of CO2 on temperature is small, we know why it is small, and we know that it is having very little effect on the climate.

Professor Don J. Easterbrook of WWU: "The Pacific decadal oscillation (PDO) indicates we are entering a 30-year cooling period."

Arctic ice is expanding, with the 2008 minimum 700,000 sq. km. greater than 2007 minimum, and 2009 minimum 300,000 sq. km. greater than 2008

arctic-roos . org

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