5. Archaeological Evidence - Jesus Christ / Joseph Smith

[TheSkepticChristian]

their is archeological evidence for the BOfm, you guys are just dishonest

[Exodus314IAM]

@TheSkepticChristian OK...waiting...still waiting... You said there is...wating...hmmm....anything­??? nothing...oh but you FEEL there is right so there must be.

[TheSkepticChristian]

@Exodus314IAM La Venta is the city of mulek, Book of Mormon's Jerusalem is in Lak atitlan, Kaminaljuya is the city of Nephi, we found Arabian Nahom and Bountiful.

Many evidence, more than the Bible

[Exodus314IAM]

@TheSkepticChristian You got htis from farms. lol and if they say people live on the moon you will believe that to right? wait...they did!

[TheSkepticChristian]

@Exodus314IAM Their is no evidence that J.S taugh about moonmen, a Late Third-hand account is not evidence.

If your scholars tell you that they have found another Noah's ark, would you believe it?

""The Greeks had a first God, and second God, and third God, and the second was begotten by the first...they considered all these one"

"I not only confess but I maintain, such a similitude of Plato's and John's Trinity doctrines as bespeaks a common origin." (Thirteenth letter to Dr. Priestley)

[Exodus314IAM]

@TheSkepticChristian I never said JS taught about moonmen that was Brigham Young. So you are saying there are 3 gods? then you put your faith in men and not Gods hands that is very scarry but I know that Mormons do this and they believe that man has anything to do with our salvation. The truth is WE have nothing to do with it, all we can do is accept Jesus and God does the rest. Unless you are Born Again you cannot see Heaven (John 3).

[TheSkepticChristian]

@Exodus314IAM I just quoted a website, thats all, but where there are 3 devine beings.

No Trinity sorry. You cannot see the truthfulness of the BofM, and there are evidences to suppot it. But I find serious problems in the Bible.

"The Bible contains anachronisms. Details attributed to one era actually apply to a much later era. For example, camels, mentioned in Genesis 24:10, were not widely used until after 1000 B.C.E." (Finkelstein and Silberman 2001).

[Exodus314IAM]

@TheSkepticChristian IC so you trust the Book of Mormon with all the changes and errors and plagarism etc. but the Bible you see "serious problems"? hmm ok...Oh you gave ma a "mans" view on this and that must be true right? Again you put your trust in man and not God. Seek the truth from God not man!

[TheSkepticChristian]

@Exodus314IAM what changes the the Book o Mormon? There are no changed, there are clarifications.

Their is no plagiarism.

Seek the truth from God, not from Sandra.

[djm376]

@BaurakAle7 Look, if I have seemed to be a bit harsh on you, I am sorry. And yes, I did read Matthew 23. 

[djm376]

@BaurakAle7 I am right now.

[djm376]

@BaurakAle7 I am sorry but I have a problem with people who claim to be a Christian and then turn around and belittle what I believe in. How can you expect me to believe you, when you, yourself, are not practicing what you are now preaching?

[djm376]

@BaurakAle7 Are you a Christian?

[djm376]

I hate to say it, but the information in this video is taken out of context. I challenge anyone who watches this video to not take the word of the creators of this, nor my word, but to study the Holy Bible and the Book of Mormon and than do your own research and find out and decide for yourselves as to the truth.

[Exodus314IAM]

@djm376 So what does the Book of Mormon have that the Bible does not have? Why study both? Unless the Book of Mormon has something on the temple rituals? where can I read about getting married in the temple? isn't this a requirment? what about baptising for the dead?

[djm376]

@Exodus314IAM Sorry for my delayed response. We all, who study the bible, know that the Bible teaches us about Jesus Christ as well as the God fearing people who lived in that part of the world from the time of Adam and Eve til just after the time of Christ. The Book of Mormon teaches us about a God fearing man and his descendants who left Jerusalem about 600 years before Christ, during a time of great wickedness. His descendants are what we now know as the Native Americans.

[CounterCultureLives]

@djm376 There is no credible, objectively reviewed, independently authenticated evidence to support the claim that the Amerindians are the descendants of "Lehi & co." The Amerindians are the descendants od Asiatic Mongolians.

[djm376]

@CounterCultureLives I am sorry, but you are wrong. There is evidence. And they are "Native Americans", not amerindians.

[CounterCultureLives]

@djm376 and this so-called "Evidence" that you claim was authenticated by whom??

Smithsonian?? National Geographic Society?? What university?? What Central American Ministry of antiquity?? Or, are you going to try to pawn off the FARMS garbage??

"Amerindian" is a term that refers to the indigenous people of NA/SA/CA.

[mormonanswerman]

@CounterCultureLives Can you point to an intellectual establishment that verifies what Jesus Christ taught? Did the Scribes and Pharisees or the Roman institutions validate the teachings of Jesus? Why do you demand if of the Book of Mormon then? You are on the wrong track with your line of reasoning. It doesn't fit.

[CounterCultureLives]

@mormonanswerman You're delving into an area that might best be debated with a Christian. I'm not a Christian. Having said that, there are scientific evidences which support certain parts of The Bible; The Bible is also supported by The dead Sea Scrolls. There are no credible, objectively reviewed, independently authenticated evidences to support your BoM.

[mormonanswerman]

@CounterCultureLives are you an exmormon then?

[Exodus314IAM]

(Funny how when Mormons get cornered they switch the subject as seen here, watch now how "mormonanswerman" now changes the subject to one he wants you to talk about since he knows you have him cornered)

[CounterCultureLives]

@Exodus314IAM Well, I'm STILL waiting for a response from "mormananswerman"!! Guess he's waiting for people to (in the words of Robert Millet) "ask the questions we SHOULD HAVE asked!! Guess he's ducked back to the Y/T threads he can control. Sad, these people who belong to "the one true church", but when confronted with facts which will withstand objective analysis and critical scrutiny, all they can do is sidestep, duck tail, and run.

Sad. Very, very sad. :o(

[Exodus314IAM]

@CounterCultureLives Sorry when talking with Mormons you offten get this kind of response (non). If they cannot get you off the subect and onto the subject they want you on they just clam up. They know deep down they are living in a lie and it is very hard to see it through all the "does" they have to keep them bussy and away from the truth.

"mormonanswerman" is the master at this, it is all about feeling to him and nothing about truth.

[CounterCultureLives]

@mormonanswerman To answer your question, M.A.M., It seemed that we had an interesting discussion going on your "No Archaeological Evidence for Book of Mormon? Is that true?" Y/T vid, but as the civil discourse was developing, (sans profanity, rants, or name calling) you suddenly, mysteriously blocked me from your sight........ AFTER you had challenged me to address specific issues, but BEFORE you allowed me to respond. It's clear that the truth was getting to be too much for you to handle.

[CounterCultureLives]

@CounterCultureLives Of course, you employed the same tcticts on your other Y/T Vid "What Mormons Won't Tell You at the Door". You attempted to do the LDS Sidestep, attempting to shift the discussion to another topic when the topic at hand became too problematic for you. Then, you challenged me on certain points, but then you blocked me as the heat in your Mormon kitchen was getting to be a bit too hot for you to handle.

A very typical Mormon tactic. Too bad you can't block me here!!

[mormonanswerman]

@CounterCultureLives another reason I block, it when people always want to pick a fight by saying things such as "you sidestep" or "typical mormon tactic" etc. Just more insults for things that are not even true. You don't want a civil dialog. you want to insult people and have them take it. That is a perverted form of "discussion" and I won't be seeing comments like that from you on my vids anymore fwiw. Say what you want here, I guess.

[CounterCultureLives]

@mormonanswerman So the truth hit too close to home; the facts are that you WERE deliberately attempting to sidestep the issues at hand, and the fact remains that yours is a very typical Mormon tactic. The fact is that Mormons consider any challenge to their beliefs to be "insulting", so that's just another failed attempt on your part to duck the specific issues at hand.

So, tell me about Hill Cumorah; the site of not one, but two epochal battles...... where's the evidence??

[CounterCultureLives]

@mormonanswerman Well, Mr. Mormonanswerman, I'm still waiting for your reply!!.... Or, have you simply ducked tail and run back to the safety of your Y/T vids where you deal with substantive challenges to your beliefs with censorship and lame excuses??

[mormonanswerman]

@CounterCultureLives when it becomes plain to me that someone has no interest in real respectful dialog, I move on, that's all. When people call Joseph Smith JOE, or when they say things like, your "prophet" or your "profit" or say things like "that pedophile" or use a whole lot of other terms that are not deemed profanity... I don't know, maybe in their mind they think they are being respectful, but to me, it just a line of insulting of one's religion, and I don't know why we need to take it

[CounterCultureLives]

@mormonanswerman Nice attempt to sidestep and duck the issues at hand, Mormonanswerman, but we were discussing some very specific points which you kept attempting to sidestep and deflect from the specific issues at hand.

[CounterCultureLives]

@mormonanswerman Wrote:

"I don't know, maybe in their mind they think they are being respectful, but to me, it just a line of insulting of one's religion, and I don't know why we need to take it."

Your Mormon Hypocrisy knows no bounds. You belong to a church that believes that all other religions are "an abomination", yet, you dare to whine about feeling offended when someone dares to challenge the make-up of your beliefs??

[CounterCultureLives]

@mormonanswerman Well, "mormananswerman"?? Have you left the building?? Or, have you decided to hide out within the confines of your censored sanctuary?? You're supposed to be the "mormonanswerman", so how about a few answers, man?? Are you capable of dealing with matters of substance?? ........ or, do you lack the courage to deal with substantive issues in a forum that you can't control?? Still waiting, "mormananswerman"!!

[djm376]

@CounterCultureLives Good grief man, why are you so argumentative and hateful towards those who do not believe what you believe? I was going to answer your questions, but then I saw your other messages. Now I wonder, are you going to allow a meaningful conversation where we both can learn something, or are you going to waste my time by belittling everything that I believe in. I cannot teach someone who is not willing to learn.

[CounterCultureLives]

@djm376 Would you like some cheese to go with your whine?? Now, let's deal with the specific issues at hand...................... or, is the heat in the kitchen a little too hot for you??

[djm376]

@CounterCultureLives Heat? What heat? The only issues that I see is that am happy with being LDS, it has brought me a lot of joy to my life and you don't like it. You despise it. And I have yet to see you offer me anything that would give me much greater happiness than what I already have. All I've seen you do is try to find fault in every little detail about the Mormons. And you do it with a vengeance like as if you were grasping for straws.

[CounterCultureLives]

@djm376

1st: "the only issue here" is NOT whether or not you are happy; it's not my responsibility to make you happy with your religion. The issue here is whether or not BoM is true, whether or not the sciences support The Bible and / or BoM.

2nd: People who conduct legitimate research and debate specific issues are not "grasping for straws". The people who "grasp for straws are reduced to empty rhetoric, convolutions of topics, and mindless name calling.

3rd: Go look in the mirror, dmj376.

[CounterCultureLives]

@djm376 Speaking as a NonChristian, the facts are that the sciences support The Bible. The geography, anthropology, archaeology, agronomy, zoology, numismatics, metallurgy, & demographics all agree with The Bible, as do the sciences of astronomy and human anatomy & physiology also support The Bible. Truth welcomes scrutiny & critical analysis.

With The Book of Mormon, you are reduced to a guy who stared at magic rocks in a hat, and "testimony" That's why you're reduced to behaving as you are.

[CounterCultureLives]

@djm376 As far as me "despising LDS"; spite for LDS really isn't the issue here, although I do enjoy exposing the truth behind the good, "holier than though" attitudes that all too often encumbers people who are more concerned about "being right" than they are about seeking the truth and challenging their beliefs with objective analysis & critical scrutiny. By claiming to be "the one true church", and LDS's claims of infallibility, LDS has opened itself up for criticism and ridicule.

[Exodus314IAM]

@djm376 So I have read that the LDs have brought you "a lot of joy" & "happiness", what about the truth or Salvation? If I asked a Muslim about Islam they would say the same thing you just said, so are they correct also? Would you say they are saved or not?

[CounterCultureLives]

@Exodus314IAM Obviously, they are all WRONG!! THINK about it, "Exodus314IAM".............

............... The Muslims have no magic rocks to stare at, nor do they have any magic hats to stare into!!

Duuuuhhhhh!!!! ;o)

[Exodus314IAM]

@djm376 The big issue is that the truth hurts the lost, no matter how much you try to steer away from the truth it does not make it any less the truth. I know is someone came to me and showed me that my whole base for my faith was full of errors (not just clerical errors) errors that effect my eternal salvation, I would be upset also. But the facts are the Bible is 100% accurate and proven itself, the BOM, PoGP, D&C all have not in fact contradict each other, mostly take away from the truth.

[CounterCultureLives]

@djm376 #

dmj376: I'm not trying to make you look like an arrogant, foolish, extremely hypocritical, ass here, (not that you need my help!!) but shall we review one of your first responses to me when I called you on your "taken out of context" excuse??

These were among your first words to me:

@CounterCultureLives

WHAT? Only an ignorant idiot like you, would say such a thing because you are too damn ignorant to find out for yourself the truth.

djm376 3 days ago

"Nuff said, dmj376??

[CounterCultureLives]

@Exodus314IAM Why study both", you ask, Exodus3141AM?? The answer is very simple.

Go study your Holy Bible in depth, (which you may have already done) then go preach it to the masses......... Then, using your very same Holy Bible, try to convince people that they need to spend their hard earned money on magic underwear!!

[CounterCultureLives]

@djm376 More of the Mormon "taken out of context" excuse......... a familiar excuse used when Mormon's writings &* teachings are understood all too well.

[djm376]

@CounterCultureLives WHAT? Only an ignorant idiot like you, would say such a thing because you are too damn ignorant to find out for yourself the truth.

[CounterCultureLives]

@djm376 Nice, shallow rhetoric, dmj376!! ...... San substance, as always. ow you're reduced to petty name calling. Methinks a cyber-meltdown is brewing!!

How would you have any idea as to how much time I've spent researching BoM, meeting with LDS Priests & Bishops?? How many Central American countries have you traveled researching BoM??

What might you guess happened when we invited an LDS Bishop & his wife to travel Central America and meet with experts with us?? At OUR expense, no less!!

[CounterCultureLives]

@djm376 What you fail to realize, dmj376, is that when we began investigating LDS, (as we were originally ENCOURAGED to do, I wanted to believe that BoM was true. I have a love for Central America & her people, and I've also studied Messianic Judaism extensively. so the idea of a connection between Judaism and the people of Central America was quite intriguing.

Although we were 1st encouraged to investigate BoM, the tone of the LDS Bishop suddenly changed when he discovered how serious we were.

[IExposeMormonism]

@djm376 What to study? There is nothing in the Bible pointing to anything in the BofM and there is nothing in the BofM that can be found. As much money as the Hierarchy spends they should donate a few $ to digging up Cumorah, etc. Not a Roman Breastplate, coinage, metallurgy etc has been found. Then we are confronted with the complete, 100%, error in the Book of Abraham. The Burden is on the LDS to produce some real evidence. Your religion has "Nullified all non Mormon Marriages and contracts".

[jadetiger88888]

thanks for this video.....mormonism is a fabrication. scary how so many people believe this rubbish, this fairytale of one man.

[jayanpeludo]

all religions are crazy.

[falconFIL]

The biblie is a collection of histories put together... how many noe do you need in order to put Camels, horses, rabits... each of one kind... one of each color? race? haha it is funny.

[Imaginefree69]

Where is the archaeological or historical evidence

for the slaughter of the firstborn of Egypt?

Or for the much more recent slaughter of baby boys

in Judea, under Herod?

Isn't it odd that Josephus and his peers

could tell us what kind of cup Herod drank from,

but didn't notice the slaughter of a few thousand babies?

The Bible is a book of bronze-age myth.

Nothing more.