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  • God's will. Those people that were injured and died was part of Gods great plan. Ask any true Bible believing Church goer. Everything happens for a reason. Just look in your heart and you will find the answer. For people that don't believe this they are not true believers of the Lord. Amen-Ra

  • I am not a liberal, and I attended the Knoxville UU church, but stopped going years before the shooting incident happened. More than likely gun advocates and other right wingers consider this to be a moral victory for their cause.

  • The shooter would be a Teabagger today if he didn't shoot at the church...

  • Religion attracts aggression.

  • whether or not religion would exist, people would still be angry about something.

  • THE EPICUREAN PARADOX:

    If God is willing to prevent evil, but is not able to, Then He is not omnipotent.

    If He is able, but not willing, Then He is malevolent.

    If He is both able and willing, Then whence cometh evil?

    If He is neither able nor willing, Then why call Him God?

  • God is willing and able to prevent evil, but allows us choice. This whole "epicurean paradox" is for the birds.

    Sucka!

  • No, it's basic logic and religion dies in the face of basic logic.

  • Nietzsche said "God is dead." Now who's dead. (go to Find-A-Grave and see the photo of Nietzsche's grave).

    Sucka!

  • You are correct. God could not be dead because this mythological being never existed.

    It was all mythology, made up by goat herders, built from earlier mythology, to explain things they didn't understand.

    Now it is just a fear based money pit run on terrorism. Jesus Loves You, OBEY OR BURN!!!

  • You don't even know God, and: you don't know Jesus anymore than you do Akhenaton, Moses, Zoroaster, Buddha, Muhammad or any other cosmic visionaries.

    The FOOL! saith in his heart, "There is no God."

  • I am a former minister. I know the religious machine, and I know the lies you are told to extort money.

    Religious leaders are living in luxury now on your money because they know the truth. This life is all you get.

    Study the real history and you will learn the truth. That is why the Christian "Bible" warns so often against "Knowledge".

  • The Bible tells us to GROW in knowledge. God says (in the Bible) His people are destroyed for LACK of knowledge.

  • Huh. Must be a different bible. The Christian one has this to say on the subject

    "For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

    Ecclesiastes 1:18"

  • What that means is that as one is more educated one is more aware of suffering. Have you heard the saying, "Ignorance is bliss."?

    For example, if I would have stayed home in the small town I'm from, I would not have learned what I know of the human condition. The experience of living in a city for a while has taught me lessons.

  • These comments are so convoluted. I'm so sorry for the congregation of this Church.

  • VIDEO GAME IDEA. MASSACRE IN SAVANNAH. DESTROY THE RELIGIOUS IDEAS, PEOPLE, AND DOCUMENTS WITH...FIRE! SOON, IT WILL ALL BE FORGOTTEN AND WE CAN RESUME EVOLUTION...WHAT SAY THEE? god WILL PREVAIL? NOT IF IT'S THE ONE KILLING ALL OF YOU, JUST LIKE IN THE bible, GOD WILL AID IN OVERPOPULATION BY DESTROYING FOR THE PURPOSE OF PRESERVATION! LET'S KILL EM ALL TO TEACH EM THAT KILLING IS NOT THE WAY OUT. IF IT WEREN'T FOR US, YOU ALL WOULD'VE DECIMATED YOURSELVES, AND GOD WOULD TAKE CREDIT.

  • Guns in Church

    George Carlin predicted this in his 1999 HBO Special "You Are All Diseased"

  • Yes, Carlin called the shooters "disgruntled worshippers."

  • It has came out, no pun intended, that the "hero" that allegedly threw himself in front of the bullets was shot in the back.

  • Thanks Greg !

  • LMAO at whoever said UU is a cult... Cults are new religious movements, not ones that have lasted centuries... Get your definition right before opening your mouth. Scientology supposedly harms people. ZERO people have been harmed by the UU church. The only ones that were harmed were martyrs that were murdered during things like this shooting and civil rights marches. UU are some of the nicest and most peaceful people you'll ever meet. Who cares if they think differently? They're human beings...

  • Boy the second you remind people about two white people murdered by 5 black dudes that didnt make it further than local tv gets awful quite on the gay church shooting clips....nice pink shirt there fosterson did foster dad buy that for you, is it me or is something wrong with that relationship? stepfather is a gay bear fosterson is a fairy, what kind of people are we allowing to raise children these days? is there a wife in their somewhere or another fosterdad?

  • Why did this turn into a pointless argument about whos more of an american, whos better, librels or conservitives? Shouldnt we be thinking about the families of the people who were shot and killed? Its incredible how selfish people are. We should be helping people not hating everyone who has a different view than ours.

  • Don't try long-winded explanations of this based on the shooter's twisted babbling. He was a mentally ill person that was put on psychiatric drugs. The drugs gave him a psychotic break and drove him insane. Same story as all the rampages. If you want to fix this get rid of the drugs.

  • i live there and knew some people that have been to the church

  • im 14 yr. old Missionary Baptist and i was taught tht ur sposed to love everyone even if u dont approve of there actions but on this messages all u guys r sayin negative things. think about it if it was ur church and u were readin this wouldnt u want it to say stuff like "Your in our prayers" or anything positive. but wat they find is ppl argueing! im sorry if im not understanding this right or if ive afended anyone in anyway

  • omg u ppl r unreal these ppl r suffering and all u guys can do is fight and say negative things. wat ever happened to just being symphatic for these ppl who r not havin the greatest of times right now and who cares wat religion they are u should love them and be there for them in this time of need so stop with the negativness and make with the consideret and compassionate

  • @TwilightNerd where is the justice for Channon Christian and Christopher Newsome, The knoxvill Massacre.where was the out cry for justice the anger the hatred for such evil,it was under a blanket of liberal bull hiding from you.When The Media Starts to care about good hard working people who pay their taxes & make the world a better place,then i may feel a little more sympathetic towards people who mock my faith by putting on gay plays in a gay church.The problem is the indifference of good men

  • I hear what you're saying about fair coverage, the person shouldn't matter the coverage should be the same. I'm trying to understand you're point of view, I want to. Is it the church Christians don't like?

  • UU is NOT a Church - it's much like a cult like scientology - it supports gays and aetheists. This story however, is about mental illness. I'm sympathetic to the shooters ideas but there are limits to the action. Sad day for all.

  • True it is sad the whole thing

  • Here's another case where a gun free zone killed two more people.When are we going to learn that obeying the law will get you killed.I know the hero wished he had his gun,at that moment.

  • @tdwnarrows22 VERY GOOD POINT! Thank God for Wise and Conservative minded SC Judges..had the right to carry a gun that would have saved his life but.some people are the sheild some are the sword , but now its our choice.. Red pill Blue pill?

  • No Justice for Channon Christian and Christopher Newsome...

    The Murders you never hear about in the liberal media WHY? Research this crime and tell me this wasnt the most horrible hate crime in the country and then ask yourself why you never heard about it?.

    The truth is waiting out there for you hiding from you Open your eyes snatch back your mind zombies before its to late.

  • It is easier (and lazier) to hate someone than to listen, understand, and form your own independent thoughts. Politicians love for us to feel rather than think, because the 'us against them' mentality is ingrained in our instincts.

    This tragedy should have inspired a thoughtful discussion but instead we get the usual name calling and pointing fingers.

    I know that I can't expect a thoughtful discussion on youtube, but still I wonder why every incident has to be spun and polarized?

  • Ok CBS is reporting it was a GAY Play of Annie Called Annie Jr,search youtube church shooting its the first one at the top, also has the fella in the hot old navy pink booby top, his foster son? Foster SON in a pink top Okay....LOL

  • hey Nutcase:

    I just looked up Annie Jr.

    In 2005, Immaculate Heart of Mary School plans to put on Annie Junior. Annie Jr takes place in New York City during the Great Depression, 1933. Annie, an 11-year-old orphan, has lived in the Municipal Orphanage in the Lower East Side ...

    Nothing gay whatsoever - not that I'd care!

    Themes: Christmas and Charity.

    Oh I get it. CHARITY is Liberalism, eg, mental disorder, LOL.

    Liberal = Love thy Neighbor, and Mind Your OWN F-ing Bizness.

  • Liberals are the insane ones here. They believe that it is normal for a man to fuck another man in the ass.

    That is just how disgusting liberals are.

    Any NORMAL person would be able to tell that it is JUST PLAIN WRONG for two people of the same gender to "have sex" as they call it.

    It is SHIT PUSHING in my opinion. I dont know why it is even clled "gay sex".

  • RightWingRightMind

    Liberals are the insane ones here. They believe that it is normal for a man to fuck another man in the ass.

    ------

    I doubt "Liberals believe that". Personally, I don't care what two men do as long as it's not in my house or my car. That's Liberalism, the US Constitution, and the Declaration of Independence too. All Liberal documents.

    Conservos were fighting for King George. Any US Cit who hates Liberalism - unless confused about words - literally hates America.

  • So what you are saying is that it is intolerant to oppose pedophilia? Makes perfect sense.

  • Fucking conservatives. We need to send all these extremist fundamentalists to gitmo and kill them.

  • @ Enlightened YOU AND WHAT ARMY FUCKER, Liberal hippy pigs like you are the reason this man walked into a church and murdered two people, remember sodom and gomorrah.

    This man very well may inflame a war here at home. i dont see the liberals doing well against well armed conseratives out numbered by 3 to 1 cause you know when it comes right down to it there are democrats who are tired of liberal bullshit too.take a mans house you anger him take his business hes vengful but take his freedom?

  • Fuck you inbred, Conservatives are the real terrorists of America.I was once a proud republican till conservatives ruined this country and our military by their idiocy. lol Liberals can get guns also! When they want a weapon they can get it. Shooting isn't hard to learn.

  • You were never a proud conservitive,you dont even live in this country so stop blowin smoke up my ass,your some fucknut muslim posing as an american playing mind tricks with people smarter than you.America is the strongest most prosperous country in the world and that burns your ass,God Bless America Home of the Brave Land Of The Free, if you give your glory to God you become the most powerful nation in the world in only 232 years, Who else can say that. on guns,i already have a gun & can use it

  • LOL you are pathetic. Im more American than any conservative traitor can ever be. Im not a muslim, Islamists extremists and conservatives both deserve to be in gitmo being water tortured.

  • I have a HoTT Wife 2 handsome sons i own my own business my own house 2 cars a boat 4 4wheelers and an Rv bigger than your house, whos pathetic? lol , i worked all my life did the right thing and i have something to show for it no fuckin way im giving all that up for a liberal one class social nation. and to people who depend on the government for everything, i dont need a savior i have one of those i need a President and i damn sure dont need a baby daddy...

  • You need to pull your ass out of your cold war mentality. Where the hell are you confusing liberalism with one class communism? For god sakes go vist another western world nation, check out their hospitals. I have for Australia when i visited for a year, and it looks nothing like the lies conservatives always cry about.

  • i have been all over the world but this is America if you want health care get a job and pay for it like i do, conservatives take care of them selves we dont expect the government to solve our problems or pay our way through life we work for it and pay our own health care SSI is for disabled people not an X crackhead with COPD, no reason i should have to pay for stupid people who dont plan a head.REFORM healthcare and that will solve the problem.

  • QUOTE You need to pull your ass out of your cold war mentality. Where the hell are you confusing liberalism with one class communism? For god sakes go vist another western world nation, check out their hospitals. I have for Australia when i visited for a year, and it looks nothing like the lies conservatives always cry about.

    There a Difference? liberal = Communist = socialist could wikipedia be lieing...

  • ASONOFUNCLESAM - QUOTE -"There a Difference? liberal = Communist = socialist could wikipedia be lieing..."

    lol wow

  • "NASHVILLE, Tennessee (Reuters) - A man who opened fire inside a church, killing two people with a shotgun hidden in a guitar case, was frustrated at being unable to find a job and blamed liberals and gays, police said on Monday."

    Sounds like you. Your a terrorist. Pick a symbol, lets do the civil war part 2 so we can kick your ass again.

  • @ maiden4peace first off when it comes to that im abandoning my home in ohio and moving to my place outside sparta,the north will never survive another civil war,northern liberal people are to disorganized,they cant even run their cities im in youngstown oh, look it up and you will see what im talking about,this will be a lib/con war if anything not racial or financial, and the Reagan democrats will be right there with the conservatives fighting back the filth.mark my words its already begun...

  • Cant wait. Im a good shot. And being that you must have dropped out of highschool, you would know that the east coast and west coast contains a majority of the US industry and population. Good luck.

  • @maid4APiece for the record honey,im educated enough to run my own business in a city full of liberals who want everything handed to them by the government.youngstown ohio had industry that is until jimmy carter fucked it up and the mills move away.there is no industry anymore not here maybe a meth lab or two and some really nice projects going in, like to take the time to thank my mayor jay williams for inviting all the cabrini green folks to our city,thank you for no bussing & school closings

  • thank you for the murdering thugs, pimps , drug dealers, the 3 new mosques and the way you closed the northside eastside and southsides for the youngstown 2010 project, sure just send all the garbage to the westside to murder us and destroy our side of the city, run our schools into the ground like you did your own communities, yes liberalism has been great for youngstown.. thanks again mayor jay williams..

  • i"m educated enough to run my own business in a city full of liberals"

    Too bad your not "educated enough" to make sense. You reply to message's and make statements that have NOTHING to do with the message your replying to. Its like your a six year old with ADD. I am shocked that your parents had enough brain cells to procreate, or maybe your just a shit stain on the mattress.

  • re: Youngstown. I'm not far from there.

    re: Jimmy Carter. Paul Volker under Carter intentionally pushed prime into double-digit loan shark rates, to stop post-Vietnam inflation from Johnson/Nixon which was INEVITABLE result of war spending. Math.

    Volker's plan was Conservative (neo-liberal): Make the Middle Class suffer, protect Big Business and Banks. So what if working class and middle class in cities decline. Wear your W.I.N. buttons from Gerald Ford.

  • what does have to do with the church shooting?> shut-up

  • PopCulture20: what does have to do with the church shooting?> shut-up

    Sorry, it was an argument about "rotten liberals". You probably know now, the shooter read books by Fox News haters and made an explicit commitment in his diary to kill liberals. It was a planned act of political terrorism against what he termed "liberalism". He was also angry that his food stamps were reduced. Irony, liberals invented food stamps he used.

  • Our country wouldint be where it is today if it didn't have slavery in the past. A feat it can hardly be proud of, except for conservatives. God didnt make America great and free, hard working progressive people did. You sound just like the hicks from the past who said God says slavery is ok.

  • ok i just had to educate another moron on the subject , who enslaved blacks, rich white democrats , who freed them rich white conservatives, Abraham Lincoln (R) who shot him the friend of a rich white democratic cotton plantation owner, look it up dumb ass its the reason the civil war was fought you yut, you went to you went to public schools didnt you...

  • not the only reason and not the biggest, OVER TAXING was the main cause of the civil war but slavry played a big part of it..

  • You must have failed history. You are aware the dems and republicans are completely different from the 1800's LOL, thats basic knowledge too.

  • Yes, they are in fact absolutely different: the segmentation of red and blue states has entirely reversed itself over the past century. ps - don't you love it when people who can't put together a simple sentance denigrate the intelligence of others.

  • STFU your a canadian like your opinion matters in american politics anyway lol its all your fault. everything is canadas fault. Enjoying your muslim overlords there chatterhead

  • @ enlightened What fuckin books are you reading dems are dems reps are reps always have been, no change, no flip flop ,only difference is us the loony left and the right wing nuts , but ill tell you what,if you shoot yourself in the fuckin head ill sign off youtube? problem solved...then there will be no need for guys like me until then you can suck my irish rebel conservative dick. oops forgot the company i was in anyone reaches for my zipper gets a fuckin hammer to the forehead

  • LOL you really don't know history then. This is what our books in AMERICAN SCHOOLS are teaching. Its an worldwide know fact. You are an idiot. GO back to sucking Bill oreilly's dick.

  • Enlightened when to public schools and it shows,i bet you believe you are mud animated by lightning too dont you. if all men are created equal then why do they lower the standards in minority schools,i might just be an idiot but i pay my own way pay my taxes drive a big gas guzzling SUV and eat cows i butcher myself,your half the man i am,and if you think differently we can have a beer and ill show you how far one can shove a barstool into ones ass.Youtube pussy, better stay where your safe

  • Actually no, i believe in a god and i believe he dint put whites/blacks/whatever on earth to fight each other. Trailer trash go back to screwing your sister.

  • Actually my RV is bigger than your house, if anything im rich white condo trash, owned not rented and it wasnt my siter dude sorry it was yours, but your mother was better :o)

  • What's the solution? We live in a country where some believe in god and some don't. How do we make it so you can believe and I don't have too (I do)?

    3 to 1 republicans? it that what you mean

  • just curious did anyone else notice in the other news video that the guy who was shots step-son is wearing a pink V-neck Old Navy Booby top? now that is a crime. where is the fashion police when you need them..

  • when your kids come to you and say they are gay and democrat, are you going to kill them?

  • my children democrats LOL whatcha smokin man, no my kids are pretty much right wing nuts just like me.Gay no you have to have a mental disorder for that my boys are gifted,they can hunt fish build a house live in the wild you know TAKE CARE OF THEM SELVES, Their Dad taught them that and I bought them each a King James Version of the bible for them on their first Christmas,they were baptised 3 days after their birth,We raised our children we didnt hand them off to a nanny and run off for a latte.

  • Good send those little conservative fuck heads to the wild and away from civilization.

  • I hope this guy gets tortured for what he did. What a sick bastard.

  • They need to immediately kill Jim Adkisson (the shooter). No trial needed. Anyone who goes into a church shooting adults and children needs to be put to death immediately. Here's how stupid the asshole was. He was upset about the Church's "liberal views". And the idiot was on food stamps??? Isn't that considered liberal? Problem a big ditto head or Liddy or CNN or FOX fan. These are always the types.

  • 5 blacks in knoxville carjack torture and murder a white woman and a white man , dismembering their bodies and discarding them in the trash and the media ignores it, white guy bust in a gay church and off's two people his own color and its a hate crime,

    where is the justice for channon christian and christpher newsome,

    you can blame this on the liberals and the media, jim adkinsson is a nut for a reason what made him crazy? he is just the first to crack, i bet money there will be more..

  • I can't even describe how sad this makes me. Moreover, that it only takes ONE worthless, 20-IQ, inbred, psychotic asshole scumbag to ruin everything. Wheee! Dude, your family must be so proud. And you get to live! Unlike those innocent bystanders you slaughtered.

    I'm sure it's all the fault of "Annie", really. O'Reilly tearing Harold Gray a new one in 5...4...

    To every one of you using religion as a front for your bitter hatred...you are hilariously pathetic and irrelevant.

  • @ igb77 yeah so, like you said we have all the guns so deal with it. God Country Family all else is liberal bullshit, in god we trust, not in obama we trust even though he does think he is the new savior.

  • @cuffsmaster "Never shall innocent blood be shed. Yet the blood of the wicked shall flow like a river. The three shall spread their blackened wings and be the vengeful striking hammer of God."

    Of course we must fear evil men, but there is another evil that we must fear more... and that is the indifference of good men

  • I'm much more fearful of men who think they are helping God wield his vengeful hammer.

  • i see alot of people who seem to be suprised that this happned, i could see it coming 5 years ago and its going to keep happening , every monument the liberals remove, every christian right they trash every move they make to the left only causes good men to say ive had enough, WHY? wanna clue? this story makes headlines in 10 min. cause he entered a gay church with a firearm. channon christian and christpher newsome, no coverage no justice. the problem is the indifference of good men..

  • @ASONOFUNCLESAM

    You know why the liberals have been trashing reich-wing christians like you? Because you trash non-christians at every turn, and when you get trashed back, you put on this innocent persecuted saint act, making yourselves look like the victims of unprovoked bullying when it's really the other way around. Please be honest and admit the fact reich-wing christians like you are the persecuters, not the persecuted you always portray yourselves as being.

  • @ASONOFUNCLESAM

    You know why the Christian 4th Reich (er, far right) is under assault? It'd because religious bigots like you stop at nothing to shove your beliefs down other peoples throats, and when those people (namely gays and liberals) lash out at your attempts to do so, you automatically put on this innocent victim facade and make it look like you're the victms of unprovoked bullying, when not only are you not the victims, but the contrary: The victimizers.

  • @ASONOFUNCLESAM

    I'm sure Christian reich-wingers like you know you only have yourselves to blame from all the backlash you recieve your opponnets (gays, athiests, agnostics, liberals, etc) but, as always, you blame all of your self-created problems on people other than yourselves. By doing that, you're acting like spoiled rotten children unwilling to accept responsibility for your own actions, and the more you deny your misdeeds, the more you'll do yourselves in.

  • i was there cuz i was in the play annie i was supposed 2 be the house keeper basically one of the maids

  • the time of the far west is finished, do you understant that compagnies make a lot of money on you, stop buy guns & it won't happen anymore, how many pple will be shoot again ???

  • I feel so sorry or americans. They are so stupid. Guns are so important to them, but they don't know how stupid they are.  America, how can you be so stupid. And you wonder why no one likes you...up here in Canada.

  • roybruno: you feel sorry for Americans? No one likes us? Is that why 80% of all Canucks live on the US border? Is that why people from all over the world come here - and world leaders send their children here? You're just another dumb fuck Cannuck from whiney socialist Canada - highest taxes in the world to pay for your group-hug healthcare, what a mess you have, lol.

  • Duh, 80% live where we do because of history and the weather. Maybe we were there to defend the border from crackpots to the south. All I do is feel sorry for Americans and hope that they heal. I probably won't respond to any more replies. I know the USofA and it's not worth it. I agree, the world sends their children to the USA and the world is fucked up.

  • roybruno: great, so keep your misery, pessimistic view and pathetic ignorance to yourself - you canuck fucks NORTH of the border - slackers and dead weight need not apply. ps, aside from RIM (blackberry) and Molson Ale - what good is Canada, lol?

  • This dude was a right-wing extremist...sort of like the Talban. He claims that this particular christian sect wasn't judging homosexuals like Jesus would have...because, ya know, Jesus would also be into stuff like executions, deportations, and class war fare. That's why I went back to praising Satan because he told me "dat just fucked up" and "bitches be crazy, man" - he's cool, not evil like that Jesus dude people on the right talk about...fuck, hope satan kicks some ass!!

  • To bad it wasn't a evangelical church. I would send money to support the killer.

  • wow, all the psycho "I didn't get enuff hugs from my Mommy and Daddy so I hate" are posting. All fractured UU members I presume, lol?

  • Never been to a UU church. but been to a "evilgelical church." Hate is thier family value. You must be a member?

  • mennotgods: Listen, this case is about mental illness - not about gun control or anything of the sort. People get killed by cars everyday - both intentionally and by accident - do we ban cars? And as much as I am sympathetic to this individuals concerns about our culture (especially those families raising children), his actions are sad. I have considerable first-hand experience with UU Churches (yes, plural) although I am not a UU myself.

  • @Mennotgods Id rather be an evil christian than a homosexual mocking God. im sure you wouldnt know family values of they came up and bit you in the ass.

  • asssonfun...shouldn't you be busy guessing who the anti christ is this week? the pope? obama? hilary? etc..etc..you people always have to have something to hate. Hitler did too.

  • @Fagsnotmen im an equal opportunity hater, i have a room full of guns and a mind for war, and liberalism is my enemy too, i just choose to fight with my vote. but when the shit hits the fan, i know which side ill be on. you cant rattle me liberal ive been at this since youtube first hit the web and 11 years in the infocission calling center, i know the fuckin facts, so why dont you pull that dick outta your mouth and say something intelligent. fuckin yut..

  • Asonofunclesam, what's really hilarious is how it's OK for Right Wingers to be homos & pedophiles and still be Good Christian Conservos. Like Jeb Bush's running mate (Lt. Gov) Mark Foley, and George Bush's Christian advisor Ted Haggard, and even Jeff Gannon/Guckert the Marine prostitute who Bush kissed on the head. If you say you BELIEVE, you can get cured in 3 weeks.

    Other ironic hilarity (NOT REALLY FUNNY!) is this shooter lost his FFOOOODD SSTTAAMMPPSS, he was mad at Libs for that.

  • George Carlin Made A Joke About Church Shootings.

    After Making A Joke About School Shootings.

    "Wont Be Too Long Before Someones Pulls A Gun Out In Church."

  • So some hick shot a couple other hicks, this makes my day lol

  • "NASHVILLE, Tennessee (Reuters) - A man who opened fire inside a church, killing two people with a shotgun hidden in a guitar case, was frustrated at being unable to find a job and blamed liberals and gays, police said on Monday."

    Neo-cons are trying their best to be Nazis, thanks to all the hate speech's on major new networks, they can justify carrying out these terrorist attacks in OUR country.

  • Jesus was a liberal....and a communist.

  • This man speaks the truth.

  • UU Churches are not really Churches - they were long ago - historically around Benjamin Franklin's time - today they justify their existence off the backs of more traditional Churches and religions. UU's are extremely liberal, about so-called "social justice" and very pro gay, homosexual and atheists. UU's now are empty souls when it comes to any kind of healing God - Christian or Jewish. Lots of pseudo-elitist types attened these UU Churches - often gay Ministers, lots in New England.

  • That's a harsh and judgemental post. And ironic, since it's the kind of sentiment that causes people to go out and shoot people for their beliefs. Next time you feel hate well up in you, try looking for the funny side. For instance, I like what Garrison Keillor once said about Unitarians. He called Unitarians are atheists with children. That's probably only funny to people, like me, who can sympathize with these parents.

  • tedperkins: harsh post? How so? It's FACT and I'm speaking from REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE. Your statement is absurd, lol, and doesn't communicate much command of this issue.

  • What issue are you referring to? Unitarianism or how judgemental you are? I'll assume the former, since you don't appear to have command of the concepts of humility and grace. What is your special understanding of Unitarianism? I attended a UU church for about a year. I didn't have a problem with their positions on social justice, gays and athiest. What irked me was their desperate clinging to the concept of "God"--a term that for many members was so hazy that it carried almost no meaning.

  • What issue are you referring to? Unitarianism or how judgemental you are? I'll assume the former, since you don't appear to have command of the concepts of humility and grace. What is your special understanding of Unitarianism? I attended a UU church for about a year. I didn't have a problem with their positions on social justice, gays and athiest. What irked me was their desperate clinging to the concept of "God"--a term that for many members was so hazy that it carried almost no meaning.

  • tedperkins wrote: "didn't have a problem with their positions on social justice, gays and athiest. What irked me was their desperate clinging to the concept of "God"--a term that for many members was so hazy that it carried almost no meaning"...BAM! Exactly, UU is NOT a Church and "social justice" is not a religion - UU's are a liberal psuedo elitist kook fest- therein lies the problem for them.

  • UU is not chruch if judged by fundamentalist highschool drop out. Because they don't agree with your view of an invisible and unproven friend in the sky makes it no less a chruch. Who said you had to be a stupid fundamentalist hating uneducated christian to call it a chruch. Being a fundamentist hater chuch is the real ones that don't deserve to be called a chruch no matter how much they praise Jesus. I wonder if it gave fundamentalist a hard-on when they found out some UU'ians were killed,

  • Cuffsmaster << Sir, your YouTube Profile is filled with hate-filled videos you alone favorited. You obviously have a huge anti-God, anti-Conservative chip on your shoulder so your view is severley skewed. Go whine to liberal hack Bill Maher, he may talk to you- as another wacko liberal.

  • lol hate filled vides lol and this from a fundamentalist christian lol that is happy that UU'erians were killed LOL. Oh I love true conservative values but that is much different than fundamentalist or neocon values. Just keep praising your invisible friend and hating you will just be fine.

  • Cuffmaster << yet more socialist diarrhea splatter - seething with hate and pathological lies. Tell me why you wacky neo marxist liberals are Godless? You don't even know what being a UU is about do you, lol? What r u even doing commenting here? Are u a secret divinity school drop-out, lmao?

  • moveondotorg - "seething with hate and pathological lies" REPLY - oh I think most can see through your personality and your hiding your hate behind you susposed frind in the sky, Jesus. But really the feeling expressed by this guy that turns many of your stomachs is not that uncommon. Let this teach you to watch them and oppose them or they will laugh and praise Jesus when another fundamentalist kills you.

  • Cuffsmaster: okay, you're an empty idiot with ZERO CREDIBILITY or knowledge of UU - just hate-mongering idiocy. No thanks pal, got better things to do than be your entertainment for this evening. Done here. ps - I agree with the anger this shooter feels, yes, but I don't share the mental disability or violence.

  • moveondotorg- I agree with the anger this shooter feels, yes, but I don't share the mental disability or violence. - REPLY by our eariler statements you were all but praising jesus that he killed UU'iarns. What else would you praise the killing off in the name of jesus , jews? blacks? homosexuals? methodist? catholics? peope with maytag stoves in their houese? people that are left handed? Who put a check on fundamentalsim and it acceptance of killing for jesus.

  • oh wow - my spelling is bad enought without drinking wine LOL - as the world can see I am a light weight drinker that can't even drink 3 glasses of wine without is showing in type.  sorry folks lol - It's time for coffee.

  • There is no excuse for your getting a hard-on when good men and woman were killed in Knoxville for just going to a meeting - church or not. It does not matter that they are not religious fundamentalist -- Hell I don't agree with them because I am a deist but it is a sickness to praise the glory of god when they were killed. No wonder fundamentaliism is viewed as something to be watched.

  • MoveOnDotOrgg you aren't a Christian you are a Republican. So drop the "anti-God" talk you don't know him, liberal.

  • AnonymousBChurch <<<< wow, dude, I just viewed your "YouTube profile" - get help, seriously - I fear we'll be reading about YOU next. Religion is a wonderful, positive, life-affirming thing and I'm happy to say I participate as my family and most of my friends do - but for kooks like YOU, the radical fringe, I shudder, wow, u r scary, take your meds, seriously.

  • MoveOnDotOrgg - not Christian huh? What is your "religion" exactly?

    I took a look at your page, it has nothing to do with God and everything to do with the exact same sort of politics that this shooter believed in.

    The only difference between you and him is you're all talk and he's all action.

  • replace "page" with "comments"

  • AnonymousBChurch - talk is fine, broad and in-depth intellect here. As for you, scary as hell - psychotic comes to mind and I'm not being funny. You're not UU, you don't know what UU is about - scary, get help, seriously. ps - yes, I'm Christian, since birth - as are MILLIONS of normal, hard working non-psychotic people. I just know alot about UU - past and present.

  • I am not UU, and know exactly what they are all about. I know UU is not Christian in any sense.

    "Born" Christian huh? You people plague youtube - claiming to be Christians, but nothing but GOP whores, defaming Christ before all. In what way are you "Christian" - you don't even read the Bible do you?

    Again, you and the shooter are no different except he had the balls to act.

  • AnonymousBChurch: hey pal, you're the psycho here - a heat seeking hate monger - look at your "YOU-TUBE PROFILE" !! You may also be a pathological liar or suffer from advanced dementia for all your insipid rants torwards me. You're in crazy town dude - you are the self-righteous fringe apparently. I do read the Bible, I do go to Church. I bet you have the "balls" to act huh crazy psycho? Show us your balls - act - or are you a fake? Take your meds.

  • MoveOnDotOrgg you are good at that old Soviet technique of accusing your opponents of being crazy. Not just a liberal you're an outright commie too!

    Please, look at my page, videos, and think. Feel free to comment.

    You are not a Christian. You say you go to church and say you read the Bible, and when you say "born Christian" I guess your parents told you you were.

    I'm not buying it. I've seen many of your comments, nothing about God, everything about "liberals" - just like the shooter.

  • hey pal, you're the psycho here - a heat seeking hate monger - look at your "YOU-TUBE PROFILE" !! You may also be a pathological liar or suffer from advanced dementia for all your insipid rants torwards me. You're in crazy town dude - you are the self-righteous fringe apparently. I do read the Bible, I do go to Church. I bet you have the "balls" to act huh crazy psycho? Show us your balls - act - or are you a fake? Take your meds.

  • some people only claim being christian but in reality it's a ready-made club that can be used to destort and twist what the meaning of life is. Notice that in some christian sects they believe judging others is exactly what jesus would want us to do...executions, would jesus execute people? Of course he would! If you follow the right-wing christians...it's a hijacked religion much like islam.

  • MoveOnDotOrgg I'm not your pal, and have you now resorted to copy-and-pasting your own posts over and over again?

    You are basically a spammer aren't you? 99% of your comments are about the evil "liberals" just like this shooter. The only difference between you and him is you just spam.

  • it's always the ones that don't have a firm foundation, on which to stand, that have to "investigate" another's site hoping to find an angle to further their feeble attempts at debate.

  • This is government-funded propaganda just like Virginia Tech, Columbine, the stabbings in England and so many others. The shooter was probably extorted, Special Ops, KBR or Blackwater.

  • Okaaaay....or maybe it was reptilians, or Zionists, or reptilian pagan Zionists from Planet X? Please.

  • "Okaaaay....or maybe it was reptilians, or Zionists, or reptilian pagan Zionists from Planet X? Please."

    Was that supposed to 'put me in my place'?

    Associating ridiculous fictional trope to my comment doesn't debunk a word I said. Are you -afraid- to do the research or -incapable-?

    I guess you only get involved with civil rights when Viacom is "trying to fuck with you."

    Oh and nice George Carlin video tribute. If you really want to honor his wishes, delete it.

  • god doesnt exist anyways

  • cuband8,

    Many of the people who go to Unitarian Universalist churches would agree with you. You see, this wasn't your typical church. Atheists as well as various types of theists go to these places. So if you're trying to stir up theists here, maybe you should think about this and instead show some sympathy. Some of the victims could have been people like ourselves, after all.

  • Just out of curiosity.. Why would an atheist attend ANY church? Atheists do not believe in a higher power at all. Could you mean agnostics?

  • To be honest I'm not sure. I find the whole UU philosophy to be a little wishy-washy myself, but my guess would be that maybe some atheists would go to feel some sense of community or something. Also, perhaps they're interested in learning about the more positive aspects of religions, and of how they relate to each other as well as with other ethical systems. At least, that's sort of what I've heard.

  • In Australia,we did a buy back scheme, and then we outlawed certain weapons... because of shit like this..

  • mcx151 are you a retard? God did save him, he sent him to a better place than earth, he brought him up to heaven. And watch how you use God's name you fool.

  • Fuck god!... you fool.

  • A nice fairy tale. Of course, that's what the story is for--to make us feel better about dying. Oh, and of course the other part of the story about Hell is designed to get us to not raise a fuss. Great stuff. "Don't make trouble for the people in charge, and when you die you get to go to a real nice (invisible) place where everything's great and nobody has any problems. Doesn't that sound just a bit too convenient? Have you *ever* stopped to consider the veracity of this story?

  • Ahhh... Another whacked out religious nut job.

    Organized religion sucks ass...

  • So much for god saving your pathetic asses....

  • Uh banning guns do decrease crime. Unless you wanna start a fun shootout or something...

  • America ban guns... do i need to say it again..

  • So that only the crimminals have guns? Banning guns does nothing but INCREASE crime.

  • Yes, because they will all disappear and go away if we make a law against them!

  • Just like drugs...this isn't really about gun control probably going to end up about tolerance of liberal churches. Anyway my heart gos out to the victims.

  • Yes yes, and throw away any last ditch option to remove the creeping police state in this country. Thanks but no thanks, the power of the people must be backed up through force of arms.

  • there is a big difference between using firearms, for legal purposes, then there is this shit...

  • studio7manga: creeping Police state? Have you watched the garbage on TV thses days or read about how we tap crimnals on the wrist cuz they are a minority aka black? Get your head out of the weeds!

  • NSA wiretap, Patriot Act, Gitmo, torture, not to mention we have 25% of the world's prisoners in a country with only 5% of the world's population.

    "Get your head out of the weeds!"

    Why not follow your own advice...

  • At first I was going to remind you that the people would be able to fight the US military. Not many of us have cluster bombs and Black Hawk helicopers. But the truth is, it wouldn't be just small arms. If a revolution were to take place in the US, it would be more like Iraq, with suicide bombers and such. It would be an intractable mess. The people would suffer, but those that were left would prevail.

  • Yep, the key is to make such an event a very real fear in the eyes of policy makers. No use of violence is necessary, only the possibility. Hell even a massive general strike could do the trick, (if we had a viable labor movement/party). IMHO every good citizen should own a firearm.

  • So I'm not a good citizen because I don't want to own a gun? Gee, I'm sorry if I don't feel comfortable owning something that is responsible for more deaths than almost anything else in the world.

    I don't agree with gun control but there is nothing wrong with not owning one. Simply owning a gun is not going to prevent a police state- there are much more important things to do.

  • Cry more, don't own any edged tool such as a knife either then.

    "Simply owning a gun is not going to prevent a police state"

    No shit, no sense in giving up power unnecessarily however, need I quote Franklin again. Sure why not.

    "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

    Ben Franklin

  • I believe in the liberty of owning a gun, I just don't wish to own one. I'm not giving up the power to own one just because I don't want to.

    Also - "every good citizen should own a firearm" implies that if you are a good citizen, you need to own a gun. Which implies that by not owning a gun, you would not be a good citizen.

    "Cry more"

    I obviously wasn't crying about anything, so I don't know where the hell this came from. Did you mean to write it in another post?

  • "Did you mean to write it in another post?"

    No, you're pleading argument struck me as particularly pathetic.

    If you'd like to twist what I said to mean something I didn't just so you can feel hurt and offended then by all means do so. I have no care for how deluded your personal "reality" is.

  • Also learn sentence structure...

    Reread...

    "IMHO every good citizen should own a firearm."

    "So I'm not a good citizen because I don't want to own a gun?"

    Note: I did not say...

    'You need to own a firearm to be a good citizen'

    Learn English, god...