Im Roman Catholic. You can say what you want about the church, but I dont believe there is a priest (an honest one, and yeah I know there are bad apples) that would say no, you cant talk to your dad anymore. All the clergy I know personally are the type that will tell you..."they are diffrent faiths. so what? they are people. Love them. accept them. Be friends and be honest with them." Scientology scares me because they say the opposite.
Catch Jason Beghe in Russell Crowe's new film "The Next Three Days." Also check imdb to see that Jason has been acting steadily, unlike what luvs would have you believe.
But then he wants you to believe that you are covered with Body Thetans which only Scientology can remove from your body at great cost.
Poor guy. His carrer went down the drain so he blames Scn for it. And he kept talking bad about it because it paid well. I mean he couldnt get a job acting so you might as well do the next best thing which is to stab all your friends in the back. It would appear that Demi Moore is still a better soldier than Jason. Poor guy.
@jordancn - Yea I guess to all you children that would be ad hominem. None of you are old enough or brave enough to face the truth that the guy stabbed alot of his friends in the back. Thats not ad hominem. Thats scumbag. How about YOU learn 2 logic son?
@toryluvslrh1 Also, that was still an ad hominem. Your logic is flawed. I thought the Borg, being a semi-mechanoid species, would be semi-logical. Looks like you'll have to be re-assimilated.
Thats weird i think i saw the understanding of Jason when he was a member of the scientology cult. I wasnt there, but i WAS there somehow, in a certain way. People dont understand it but thats why i have the insight about scientology i have. Scientologists dont understand it, but some of them will maybe when they have paid around 300.000 dollars to get the informations. So that makes most of the scientologist to a kind of busy bees. So few on the top of scientology do know me.
Scientology says it's about becoming the best and most highly functioning human you can be. What it's really about is dominating and controlling people while raking in tons of money.
Agreed. Kind of makes it obvious why Jesus kept his group small and told them to see each other like close family rather than mere followers. Something that most churches today should think about.
Scientoloy is about creating sociopaths. If you were a good sociopath you would excel in business and government. And, the money you make the more you can give to them.
i'm not sure Jason Beghe is such a good guy, If scientology Had of worked, he would have stayed, his problem is the scientologists couldn't make him better than everybody else, if they could make him superior, he'd pay
His opening statement is also true of Christianity and Islam,- only they have the truth and the fate of mankind lies only with them, both have proven over and over what they are willing to do.
Scientologists are nice generous people, but they also want to believe that they have the answers to the meaning of life and are superior to the rest of us.
The simple fact is that life has no answers. It's a mystery. Some folks can handle the fact that life has no meaning and it is chaos.
Again, some personalities accept this, others are completely in fear of it and turn to the comforting answers of "religion."
Just an excellent speech. Jason's ability to talk candidly and truthfully about his experiences in such a clear and impacting way is really admirable. I hope from the bottom of my heart that some Scientology members give him a chance and listen - I don't know how you could and not seriously question your "faith" in Co$. Keep up the great work, Jason, you're an inspiration.
Jason, shedding light on this subject and creating a system.for exposing "the church" without some of the tactics of Anonymous is imperative. You are the person with a recognizable face and common sense to articulate this chuches realities.
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Bryd, the content of the study tech has no brainwashing nor religious element and is simply a sound system with which to overcome barriers in learning. As a Catholic I can highly recommend Applied Scholastics.
The one thing I do love about Scientology is their Study technique which has really helped me in my intellectual progress and as far as I can tell the use of the study tech does not mean that one becomes a believer in Dianetics nor Scientology.
that same study technique they use on children to encourage them not to question anything scientology says they are basically taught that 2+2=5 to quote an orwell example
I used to and sort of feel the same way except looking up every single word that you don't understand fully-even small common words- is so time consuming that it prevents scientologists from studying other things because to clear mu's in multiple disciplines would take up your entire waking hours. Better not watch the science channel. Don't read psychology or philosophy. You'd be on word chains till the end of time. I think of their study method as OPTIONAL and not something ethicly enforceable
not really because with christianity (im only picking this one because its mine) there are a large amount of moderate christianish followers. Like im technically christian but I only go to church on large holidays and only really appreciate the parts of the bible that are useful parables. I'd say this only really applies to the Hcores who believe in Noah's ark literally or that if theres a God he's jealous and angry and monstrous.
alexzim Some parts you can indeed, but no the whole interview. and for ssamonoske: please define christianity to me? If your only taking the good parts are you realy a christian? (dont see this as a attack im just wondering) to make sure i'm just believer in the "i dont know" theory.
Any other religion doesnt stalk their opponents my own sister tried to leave their 'religion' and she was sent RPF and I havnt seen her now in 2 years so dont try and say scientology is the same as other religions
wichs vereinigten staaten sind ein drecksland. mit oder ohne ihren pseudoscheiss. gott, und dieser ganze abschaum hier kotzt mich an. wie arm muss man sein um sich über so eine gülle aufzuregen oder aufzugeilen. nichts ist mächtiger als die gigantische megamuschi. heil hitler.
i think that it's really cool for Jason to go public with his situation. because i'm sure he was black maled and told lies in order for him to be quiet, because their have been other celebrites who left and will never respond to questions why they left. Go Jason
Germany is giving a hearing to this-- what about the U.S.? I'm very glad that so many people are telling the true story of this criminal organization. It has to fall soon, like so many other totalitarian regimes.
the more I learn about Scientology, the more I think that they're doing the same things that most religions and self-help groups do (or insurance agents, LOL), just to the nth degree. It's basically human bullshit under a magnifying glass.
When Jason refers to a price tag for $3000 for 20 books, he errs in a way because that price also includes Ron's lectures on each book. However,when some ronboid phoned me in London from LA and tried to exhort $3000 from me,I said, "I am NOT Rockefeller, I'm the other fellow!" F----- liberty!
Having watched the 2 hour interview here on youtube I am happy he can tell the story of the fraud and pain Scientology has caused in the lives of so many people.
The thing I see is that it seems to work for some people, however it has been corrupted and any good that could be derived from the process has been overshadowed by the evil that men can do to each other and the greed that they have for money.
Also the weird alien thing of Scientology is pretty crazy.
From what I've read, it was never an enlightened belief system in the first place, even when the Tech was purely LRH. Doctrines of Fair Game, R2-45, SPs & disconnects, usage of crude hypnosis techniques inc. inductions mixed w/ shaming, NLP, etc. in one breath, while in the next, espousing only they know The Path? No... there's a darkness long flowing through it's veins.
This guy could get a career doing the voice overs for movie trailers. "In a world torn apart by corruption and war... one man holds mankind's salvation in his hands".
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People who celebrate victimization (& MAKE IT A TABOO SUBJECT) & want to enlist us all in identifying perpetrators are ultimately going to drag us all down to their mob psychology if we let them. I am way more afraid of victim promoters then any church. I can tell most people to go "get stuffed" & keep on moving. I find people playing the holier then thou "victim card" way more time consuming, agressive & a threat to the communities welfare & upgrading of life on earth then anyone out there.
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AND FOR SURE I do not trust the COS but that is my own point of ivew, and for the most part I keep it to myself and do not feel like I have to save the "poor stupid next victims" who are not as smart and savy as me (God forbid) from the evil doers. Americans have just spent the last two years vilifying George Bush their own president - this slandering people in the public eye is not leadership nor useful IMO.
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J. Beghe seems to be playing a victim & out to villify COS. This can be done w anything in life, anything can be made to sound sinister (I do this w my mother sometimes when I am cross w her) it is distorted gossip/slander & not trustworthy IMO. Not that there may not be facts intemingled in what he says, I just don't buy the conclusions, tone or ominous sounding retoric, &! I do not support the COS - never have & NEVER will. I am just appalled at this use of the internet to spread fear/hatred.
For a guy as street smart as he seems to be, I'm surprised it took him as long as it did to wake up. Obviously, Mr. Beghe is one of the few celebrities DM doesn't have some good dirt on. We can only speculate what it is he has over Travolta and Cruise to keep them under his thumb as he does.
I don't mind freedom of choice; the Freezoners are perfectly alright by my regards. The members of the Co$, and it's organisers I have difficulty with, however. For example, the blatant fraud that Beghe himself mentions in the video, the siubtle brainwashing that goes on, and the belief in fair game (which is what I find especially worrying).
As there have been some other cases of corruption in the world in regards to the Co$, such as quite recently, that woman in France, I would reckon that there is something odd and criminal going on high up in the church of scientology, and that's the part I want rid of.
I know, I think the reason why everybody seems to be focusing on the Co$ is the double-edged sword of having celebrities as members of the church. Whilst it does get people all excited and it could increase membership, there is the fact that when corruption is detected, the fact that celebrities are involved draws alot of attention to it, so that's why most people seem to be anti-scientology at the moment, and they'll move onto something else when they've routed out the corruption in the Co$.
I'm against it, because the celebrities attract more people into an organisation where they could very well end up getting ripped off and, in a manner of speaking, brainwashed, when, instead, they could practice the religion for free.
To be honest, most of society is a load of bunk anyway, as a lot of things rarely work out as intended.
Yeah I'm having a tough time piecing it together too. It must be pretty heavy brainwashing but it's not clear what the brainwashing consists of. What the exact process is. I watched a video on cults and there are SO many parallels to this, but CoS doesn't seem to have the ritualistic elements the others do. Jason had an epiphany his 1st session, so that explains HIS 1st maybe 1.5 years. But the others didn't even seem to have THAT.
Plus there's the glaring problem of trying to clear the planet at 500k a pop. Basic math. You'd think THAT alone would be a huge clobber-over-the-head wake up call for Cruise, et al... Not to mention the things LRH said about the mentally disabled, insecure, homosexual, and physically impaired people being worthless. There's definitely a piece of the puzzle I'm missing.
Anyway plug in "Mind Control Cults," the video definitely explains the similarities of cults in general.
Thanks, AboutScientology for filming this, to Mark for posting it and to Jason for having the balls to speak out against a dangerous cult that has all his dox. You all kick major ass.
How blasphemous that "merry Christmas" devotes herself to the celebration of Christ's birth yet supports scientology which makes men into Gods of their own twisted making. She most be crazy or evil at heart.
This is awesome. thanks so much for posting this im glad to see this. hey xenutv are you gonna show this to any American news crew? i.e. CNN or FOX? this is good stuff and people here should be more aware of whats happening.
You know when you go..oh no a 35 minute video..well, this one had me on the edge of my seat- Jason is a great speaker and he added even deeper inight into the cult- especially how members justify their actions.
THE BEST? SERIOUSLY? get off your moral high horse. profanity isn't your thing? I say it makes things more colorful and dramatic as a cheap laugh, but a laugh nonetheless. It certainly does not "make or break" a discussion, much less one in the confines of the internet. There's nothing to claim defeat to; the collective called anonymous has already won. Why? Because you kept playing the game, have lost, and have kept losing. Just. As. Planned. Have a nice day, You Just Lost The Game again.
rofflemeister. what is it you think you have won ? you are the laughing stock on planet earth, that's not winning, that's obvious defeat. set some minimal standards for yourself. what 1st grade drop-out like youself justifies profanity ? on the the TRULY ignorant embrace profanity. then again if you only have a 100 word vocabulary, what choice do you have ?
I think you'll find the ignorant hypocrite is you. You say other people's arguments are not based in facts when the same can be said of your own arguments, and your need to insult people (usually by degrading them), shows a childish, playground-like behvaiour.
To be honest though, you seem like a typical control freak, so I'm just going to leave you alone, and concentrate on other things, like this video, as opposed to deliberately trolling people who have commented on this video.
my previous post was directed at MerryChristmas2you's last message, youtube just temporarily failed me, so I apologise to the people who may have been offended.
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you should learn the proper use of the word "troll" , plattsyB. then again, with your 3rd grade education, that might be pointless. if you knew jack shit about what you were talking about i would afford you basic respect. here are the actual facts, inbred: i made a SINGLE comment about this video. i am ENTITLED to MY opinion, INBRED.
once i made that comment the sick, perverted, scared and over defensive inbred's that r opposed to scientology, chimed in. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT NEXT TIME !
Firstly you claim you're just stating your opinion, then you claim you're trolling 'inbreds', and now you claim you're just stating your opinion? Get your facts straight as well. And the fact that you are using childish insults backs up my theory that your argument is suited to the playground only. Plus I live in the UK, so I never went to 'grad school', so come up with a better insult, troll, and try not to be a racist sack of shit.
the fact is you seem to be as defensive, scared, fearful and anxious as the scientologists. who would seem to more dangerous ? i vote you. you remind me of adolph hitler. anybody who expresses an opinion that deviates from yours in the least and you would most likely take those people out in the street and shoot them. right ?
If anyone is like Hitler, it is the scientologists who crave power and seduce people with an ideology of humanism to its worst form. Moreover, they do it through an intensive brainwashing process that kills an identity and separates them from the real world.
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you should just admit obvious defeat. you can't even substantiate anything you say. racist ? you make accusations that have no basis in fact nor do you intend to supply any.
You were racist? Yes you were. You said Britain is a third world country, which can be quite easily treated as offensive in nature to people who are British. Hence, you were racist. There, I intended to supply evidence to back up my argument, and I did; which is more than can be said of you, considering you make accusations (such as I am supposedly Hitler), without backing them up.
When you produce an argument to counter the fact that I have brought up several arguments most of which are based in fact, and your argument isn't as crap as your looks, ho, let me know.
In the meantime, I'll just laugh at the big Corporation of Scientology (Co$).
My arguments were originally directed at you, but, to be honest, if you want me to start providing my arguments against the corporation of scientology (the religion, as just a religion, is fine in itself, so I'll leave the Freezoners alone [as they do things for FREE pounds and FREE-ity FREE pence]), then fine, I will, just go ahead and ask.
All in all, I'm not sure who's trolling who anymore, because you're acting like a stuck up bitch, and I'm a professional arse.
i guess with your extremely limited vocabulary, we can't expect anything more from you. i'm guessing any word that has more than 2 syllables is also a struggle for you.
I guess with your extremely limited repertoire of arguments, which extend little beyond a playground style, we can't expect anything more from you other than what has come before.
I'm guessing getting over yourself is also a struggle for you.
would you prefer blackmail and stalking and ruining their lives like Scientology? Shooting would probably be more affective in stopping someone who has nothing to lose by outing a cult.
you do realize that by having been the one to mention Hitler first you have invoked Godwin's law, and thus have completely lost any kind of merit your original argument had? Don't believe me? google "Godwin's Law".
also, I'm not scared of any cults whatsoever. I just feel pity for the poor bastards getting their money siphoned off to battle monsters where there's none. That, and I abhor people who allow child labor go unnoticed.
Just because you do not believe in a law doesn't make it any less true. The same principle works for Murphy's Law. It's a matter of doing or not doing. You did, therefore you invoked it. Whether you believe in it or not is irrelevant. Try again.
Boohoo I'm hurt. :'( You called me stupid with pretty words. Seriously, you have HUGE faults in your line of thinking, and yet you keep trying to sound smart for the sake of arguing. Here's something that I'd like for you to explain: if UK is a 3rd world country, how is it their money is 2 times the value of the American dollar? Here's what I mean: $2 = £1. If you don't believe me, go look it up. it's on MSN, Yahoo and AOL. Same with the Euro, $1.70 = €1.00 Now, how is this possible?
Well first of all, the UK is not a third-world country even though, just like America, its fast becoming full of third-world refugees. America has drained its resources on this illegal invasion of Iraq coupled with the corruption and outright theft(Enron style bail-outs, the Federal reserve, 911, election theft, oil price fixing,etc.)from the American people-Thats how its possible.
NO Facts? what the hell?? Seriously, if "we" are the ones without facts, how about you state a few of your own instead of outright claiming they're not? It's the same as saying "NO U!" every time you're cornered.
just because it's fast getting full of third-world refugees doesn't mean it's status will decrease that easily. Especially into a "3rd world country" category... but yeah, I see how Christmas might've gotten the facts confused. What with all that "Applied Scholastics" she prolly used to teach herself. 8(
Okay then, fellow Naive person, who can't accept that people can have views different to his, and that they won't accept that their views aren't nice, in your eyes.
We'll disregard Godwin's Law, as I agree that is a bit of a cop out, and tends to get in the way of a good argument.
i'm not naive, and if you took the time to look at ALL comments, you would see i made a simple comment that i'm entitled too. i didn't jump on anybody, it's the anti-scientology people who post here that s**t in their drawers and took issue with free speech.
try to invoke all the laws you want to, my conclusion is you and rofflemeister are just laughable and ignorant and have serious issues with free speeech. you only make yourself look bad.
alright. Maybe I'm wrong, but even wiki leaks it still saying it was anonymous, even though it was a lone kid(supposedly) who is a son of a dem in Tennessee.
All the news reports, when it first broke said it was anonymous even though they are not organized. And Anonymous did make a statement about attacking Sarah Palin before or after. How the hell did the News Media and even wiki leaks atribute this to anonymous ?
The Feds where in it as well as the secret service.
It's so good that Beghe got out, too bad he dropped so much fucking money into it.
jamesejudy3 2 months ago
Im Roman Catholic. You can say what you want about the church, but I dont believe there is a priest (an honest one, and yeah I know there are bad apples) that would say no, you cant talk to your dad anymore. All the clergy I know personally are the type that will tell you..."they are diffrent faiths. so what? they are people. Love them. accept them. Be friends and be honest with them." Scientology scares me because they say the opposite.
JediCowboy25 7 months ago
@JediCowboy25 Exactly as Christians we are taught to love everyone no matter what their faith because Jesus taught us to love thy neighbour!
cutensexy1806 2 months ago
I love how he stops inbetween and says "Okay" then calmly keeps on going. I could listen to guy for hours.
ThePieIsLie 10 months ago
I could listen to him talk all day his voice is awesome :)
chype 11 months ago
he sounds like sam fisher :3 me wants teh voice
AnonymousKarlsruhe 1 year ago
That camera guy is a SP for sure. Dude. If you zoom in and focus one more time my head will explode.
rockdiamond 1 year ago
I can't understand why anyone would stop paying thousands of dollars learning about Xenu.
toryluvsrlh2 1 year ago
Catch Jason Beghe in Russell Crowe's new film "The Next Three Days." Also check imdb to see that Jason has been acting steadily, unlike what luvs would have you believe.
But then he wants you to believe that you are covered with Body Thetans which only Scientology can remove from your body at great cost.
XENUTV 1 year ago 2
Poor guy. His carrer went down the drain so he blames Scn for it. And he kept talking bad about it because it paid well. I mean he couldnt get a job acting so you might as well do the next best thing which is to stab all your friends in the back. It would appear that Demi Moore is still a better soldier than Jason. Poor guy.
toryluvslrh2 1 year ago
@toryluvslrh2 That's an ad hominem argument, which is weak. Learn 2 logic.
jordancn 1 year ago
@jordancn - Yea I guess to all you children that would be ad hominem. None of you are old enough or brave enough to face the truth that the guy stabbed alot of his friends in the back. Thats not ad hominem. Thats scumbag. How about YOU learn 2 logic son?
toryluvslrh1 1 year ago
@toryluvslrh1
Better than shooting his friends in the face like Rex Fowler did.
Did you actually listen to the interview?
toryluvsrlh2 1 year ago
@toryluvslrh1 u mad? come at me bro.
jordancn 1 year ago
@toryluvslrh1 Also, that was still an ad hominem. Your logic is flawed. I thought the Borg, being a semi-mechanoid species, would be semi-logical. Looks like you'll have to be re-assimilated.
jordancn 1 year ago
Thats weird i think i saw the understanding of Jason when he was a member of the scientology cult. I wasnt there, but i WAS there somehow, in a certain way. People dont understand it but thats why i have the insight about scientology i have. Scientologists dont understand it, but some of them will maybe when they have paid around 300.000 dollars to get the informations. So that makes most of the scientologist to a kind of busy bees. So few on the top of scientology do know me.
globe255 1 year ago
God, what a great speech!!! Inspirational!!!
bigrobnz 1 year ago
I can see a future professor in cultic studies!!
DECIMUS771 1 year ago
Scientology says it's about becoming the best and most highly functioning human you can be. What it's really about is dominating and controlling people while raking in tons of money.
zurx93 1 year ago
An excellent description of all organized religons.
jimsher9880 1 year ago
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Agreed. Kind of makes it obvious why Jesus kept his group small and told them to see each other like close family rather than mere followers. Something that most churches today should think about.
Kitousha 1 year ago
every anon should watch, understand, and spread this video to every other anon and square inch of the internet.
Scientology is the demonic offspring of Satan's spawn, called Money. Kill it.
executableapplet 2 years ago 2
Scientoloy is about creating sociopaths. If you were a good sociopath you would excel in business and government. And, the money you make the more you can give to them.
holio84 2 years ago 2
religion is the source of the insanity in this world.
holio84 2 years ago 2
i'm not sure Jason Beghe is such a good guy, If scientology Had of worked, he would have stayed, his problem is the scientologists couldn't make him better than everybody else, if they could make him superior, he'd pay
GoodByeKyle 2 years ago
@GoodByeKyle They couldn't, so he didn't.
kmfw72 1 year ago
Great speech, but what's up with the seasick camera?
Aishiya1 2 years ago
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RichardTaitor 2 years ago 6
His opening statement is also true of Christianity and Islam,- only they have the truth and the fate of mankind lies only with them, both have proven over and over what they are willing to do.
Undech01 2 years ago
Scientologists are nice generous people, but they also want to believe that they have the answers to the meaning of life and are superior to the rest of us.
The simple fact is that life has no answers. It's a mystery. Some folks can handle the fact that life has no meaning and it is chaos.
Again, some personalities accept this, others are completely in fear of it and turn to the comforting answers of "religion."
fuzzynormal 2 years ago
why are people who control the camera always incompetent, so annoying ... excellent talk on the other hand
smooth92 2 years ago
thank u 4 doing this!
nirremannen12345 2 years ago
Just an excellent speech. Jason's ability to talk candidly and truthfully about his experiences in such a clear and impacting way is really admirable. I hope from the bottom of my heart that some Scientology members give him a chance and listen - I don't know how you could and not seriously question your "faith" in Co$. Keep up the great work, Jason, you're an inspiration.
ZephyrEire 2 years ago 2
This is a fantastic talk. As a former Scientology, I fully endorse it!
hippymango 2 years ago 3
es un culto bien armado por hubbard.
1 captan a los mas debiles en su peor momento.
2 piden a quien captan que haga a sus amigos miembros para hacer mas dificil dejar el culto.
3 economicamente perjudicial.hay gente que no deja el culto por que ha "invertido" mucha plata.
4 su doctrina es hablar de quienes dejan el culto o sus detractores las peores mentiras para difamar.
5 toda historia fantastica y mentirosa es mantenida en secreto hasta x años para evitar deserciones.
tinchoguitar5 2 years ago
amazing
metrx330 2 years ago
I'm not used to him not cussing when he's discussing Scientology... it takes away from the whole experience, in my opinion.
Cuss to your hearts content, Jason! You know we love it!
PeripheralSenses 2 years ago
great voice, great speech
pixartist 2 years ago 2
Epic win!
vaaaliant 2 years ago
Sounds like collectivism to me.
shaybshay 2 years ago
I hope he makes a movie on his times - as most people these days don't read and might go to the cinema....?
dojufitz 2 years ago
Excellent suggestion, dojufitz. Cinema would be a perfect outlet to get the message to those who don't read and only surf the Internet for porn.
I wonder if Jason would consider it? Although, I'm sure that Scientology would spend the entirety of it's coffers in court to hold up production.
thegirl44 2 years ago
It shows a lot of courage to get out of Scientology ! Respect Jason Beghe and take care !!
Tinkwi 2 years ago
Jason hits on key issues so clearly, everything makes sense.
SharksKid 2 years ago 2
Jason, shedding light on this subject and creating a system.for exposing "the church" without some of the tactics of Anonymous is imperative. You are the person with a recognizable face and common sense to articulate this chuches realities.
TrippMehew 2 years ago 3
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Bryd, the content of the study tech has no brainwashing nor religious element and is simply a sound system with which to overcome barriers in learning. As a Catholic I can highly recommend Applied Scholastics.
maputo95 2 years ago
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The one thing I do love about Scientology is their Study technique which has really helped me in my intellectual progress and as far as I can tell the use of the study tech does not mean that one becomes a believer in Dianetics nor Scientology.
maputo95 2 years ago
that same study technique they use on children to encourage them not to question anything scientology says they are basically taught that 2+2=5 to quote an orwell example
brydogary 2 years ago
I used to and sort of feel the same way except looking up every single word that you don't understand fully-even small common words- is so time consuming that it prevents scientologists from studying other things because to clear mu's in multiple disciplines would take up your entire waking hours. Better not watch the science channel. Don't read psychology or philosophy. You'd be on word chains till the end of time. I think of their study method as OPTIONAL and not something ethicly enforceable
Kurplunkachu 2 years ago
protest Scientology active Fair game policy, eerrrr ... This is from a new ex scientologist on the move to protest active FAIR GAME AND TERROR ,
frogzzee 2 years ago
This should be spread, its incredible. Better than the interview since its so well condensed.
Ssamonoske 3 years ago 3
You can replace word Scientology in this video with Christianity or Islam or any other religion, and the point will remain solid...
alexzim79 3 years ago
not really because with christianity (im only picking this one because its mine) there are a large amount of moderate christianish followers. Like im technically christian but I only go to church on large holidays and only really appreciate the parts of the bible that are useful parables. I'd say this only really applies to the Hcores who believe in Noah's ark literally or that if theres a God he's jealous and angry and monstrous.
Ssamonoske 3 years ago 2
alexzim Some parts you can indeed, but no the whole interview. and for ssamonoske: please define christianity to me? If your only taking the good parts are you realy a christian? (dont see this as a attack im just wondering) to make sure i'm just believer in the "i dont know" theory.
g33ngelul 2 years ago
Any other religion doesnt stalk their opponents my own sister tried to leave their 'religion' and she was sent RPF and I havnt seen her now in 2 years so dont try and say scientology is the same as other religions
brydogary 2 years ago 5
You notice how vaLLarrr is nowhere to be seen on this page...
Come out to play val!
Speaker4Truth 3 years ago
wichs vereinigten staaten sind ein drecksland. mit oder ohne ihren pseudoscheiss. gott, und dieser ganze abschaum hier kotzt mich an. wie arm muss man sein um sich über so eine gülle aufzuregen oder aufzugeilen. nichts ist mächtiger als die gigantische megamuschi. heil hitler.
docplutonium 3 years ago
I love this guy! He speaks well and he makes awesome points! Excellent!
PaulWilliamsWorld 3 years ago 3
awsome man. Really good speech!
Willkott 3 years ago
Amazing. I do hope others wake up as well
lev3269 3 years ago
Read 1984.
TheronSax 3 years ago
question guys..anybody knows if Travolta or Cruise are "clears?
pleaseman1 3 years ago
Fuck Jason that was awsome.........You are a great thinker.
mara0facoma 3 years ago
Is scientology stopping the view count of some you tube clips?
mara0facoma 3 years ago 2
I hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate the co$.
ZIPPEY50 3 years ago
i think that it's really cool for Jason to go public with his situation. because i'm sure he was black maled and told lies in order for him to be quiet, because their have been other celebrites who left and will never respond to questions why they left. Go Jason
tgoodfella 3 years ago
Germany is giving a hearing to this-- what about the U.S.? I'm very glad that so many people are telling the true story of this criminal organization. It has to fall soon, like so many other totalitarian regimes.
rkg77 3 years ago
E-Meter...
No Mr. Travolta, they go on your hands not in your mouth.
katey1dog 3 years ago
the more I learn about Scientology, the more I think that they're doing the same things that most religions and self-help groups do (or insurance agents, LOL), just to the nth degree. It's basically human bullshit under a magnifying glass.
amsalespush 3 years ago
He sounds like he smoke 15 packs a day
cbarrett34 3 years ago
When Jason refers to a price tag for $3000 for 20 books, he errs in a way because that price also includes Ron's lectures on each book. However,when some ronboid phoned me in London from LA and tried to exhort $3000 from me,I said, "I am NOT Rockefeller, I'm the other fellow!" F----- liberty!
maputo95 3 years ago 2
19.43 "Your clear, your OT"
Lol! His face is priceless
stevemodeen 3 years ago 3
Having watched the 2 hour interview here on youtube I am happy he can tell the story of the fraud and pain Scientology has caused in the lives of so many people.
The thing I see is that it seems to work for some people, however it has been corrupted and any good that could be derived from the process has been overshadowed by the evil that men can do to each other and the greed that they have for money.
Also the weird alien thing of Scientology is pretty crazy.
Clydene 3 years ago 12
@Clydene
From what I've read, it was never an enlightened belief system in the first place, even when the Tech was purely LRH. Doctrines of Fair Game, R2-45, SPs & disconnects, usage of crude hypnosis techniques inc. inductions mixed w/ shaming, NLP, etc. in one breath, while in the next, espousing only they know The Path? No... there's a darkness long flowing through it's veins.
recalibration 3 months ago
This guy could get a career doing the voice overs for movie trailers. "In a world torn apart by corruption and war... one man holds mankind's salvation in his hands".
infantileretard 3 years ago 20
"This guy could get a career doing the voice overs for movie trailers"
-- He actually does some voice work as well as on-screen acting.
Anonymous4647 3 years ago
Co$ is going to regret pissing this guy off. As he stated in his earlier interview...when he does something, he does it all-the-way. And now...
This was very well spoken. WIN!
hooptastic1 3 years ago 5
AWESOME!
get2therage 3 years ago 4
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blah blah blah those are my opinions, I don't know if they are worth two cents.
defytheking 3 years ago
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This guy is an actor, yes? I see through his faux humilty pauses and sincerity to sell that the COS are villians.
defytheking 3 years ago
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People who celebrate victimization (& MAKE IT A TABOO SUBJECT) & want to enlist us all in identifying perpetrators are ultimately going to drag us all down to their mob psychology if we let them. I am way more afraid of victim promoters then any church. I can tell most people to go "get stuffed" & keep on moving. I find people playing the holier then thou "victim card" way more time consuming, agressive & a threat to the communities welfare & upgrading of life on earth then anyone out there.
defytheking 3 years ago
So basically your saying that if a woman gets raped, its better for her to keep her mouth shut, than to rail on about her victimization?
Scientology has literaly done that. Just ask Tommy Gorman and his wife. They protected her rapist. OSA- You fail.
HoustonMarcab 3 years ago 5
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AND FOR SURE I do not trust the COS but that is my own point of ivew, and for the most part I keep it to myself and do not feel like I have to save the "poor stupid next victims" who are not as smart and savy as me (God forbid) from the evil doers. Americans have just spent the last two years vilifying George Bush their own president - this slandering people in the public eye is not leadership nor useful IMO.
defytheking 3 years ago
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J. Beghe seems to be playing a victim & out to villify COS. This can be done w anything in life, anything can be made to sound sinister (I do this w my mother sometimes when I am cross w her) it is distorted gossip/slander & not trustworthy IMO. Not that there may not be facts intemingled in what he says, I just don't buy the conclusions, tone or ominous sounding retoric, &! I do not support the COS - never have & NEVER will. I am just appalled at this use of the internet to spread fear/hatred.
defytheking 3 years ago
I find him admirable !
jerrylewis333 3 years ago
my hero
soph7133 3 years ago
For a guy as street smart as he seems to be, I'm surprised it took him as long as it did to wake up. Obviously, Mr. Beghe is one of the few celebrities DM doesn't have some good dirt on. We can only speculate what it is he has over Travolta and Cruise to keep them under his thumb as he does.
ValerieBarlow 3 years ago
what part of freedom of choice do you have trouble grasping ?
people have a right to make their own choices.
speculate suggests you have no facts and in the absence your just going to pull something out of your ass.
btw, who's thumb are you under ?
MerryChristmas2You 3 years ago
I don't mind freedom of choice; the Freezoners are perfectly alright by my regards. The members of the Co$, and it's organisers I have difficulty with, however. For example, the blatant fraud that Beghe himself mentions in the video, the siubtle brainwashing that goes on, and the belief in fair game (which is what I find especially worrying).
plattsyB 3 years ago
it's his first hand experience, there is nothing more credible than that. is he the exception or is his experiences common place ?
MerryChristmas2You 3 years ago
As there have been some other cases of corruption in the world in regards to the Co$, such as quite recently, that woman in France, I would reckon that there is something odd and criminal going on high up in the church of scientology, and that's the part I want rid of.
plattsyB 3 years ago
i have no problem with that, but corruption exists everywhere.
MerryChristmas2You 3 years ago
I know, I think the reason why everybody seems to be focusing on the Co$ is the double-edged sword of having celebrities as members of the church. Whilst it does get people all excited and it could increase membership, there is the fact that when corruption is detected, the fact that celebrities are involved draws alot of attention to it, so that's why most people seem to be anti-scientology at the moment, and they'll move onto something else when they've routed out the corruption in the Co$.
plattsyB 3 years ago
for the most part, true.
however, celebrities being involved should be irrelevant.
if your against the church of scientology because tom cruise or john travolta is involved, then the real problem is with you, not them.
MerryChristmas2You 3 years ago
I'm against it, because the celebrities attract more people into an organisation where they could very well end up getting ripped off and, in a manner of speaking, brainwashed, when, instead, they could practice the religion for free.
To be honest, most of society is a load of bunk anyway, as a lot of things rarely work out as intended.
plattsyB 3 years ago
there is also such a thing as personal accountability. too many people want to always claim they are victims.
MerryChristmas2You 3 years ago
Yeah I'm having a tough time piecing it together too. It must be pretty heavy brainwashing but it's not clear what the brainwashing consists of. What the exact process is. I watched a video on cults and there are SO many parallels to this, but CoS doesn't seem to have the ritualistic elements the others do. Jason had an epiphany his 1st session, so that explains HIS 1st maybe 1.5 years. But the others didn't even seem to have THAT.
puckf17 3 years ago
Plus there's the glaring problem of trying to clear the planet at 500k a pop. Basic math. You'd think THAT alone would be a huge clobber-over-the-head wake up call for Cruise, et al... Not to mention the things LRH said about the mentally disabled, insecure, homosexual, and physically impaired people being worthless. There's definitely a piece of the puzzle I'm missing.
Anyway plug in "Mind Control Cults," the video definitely explains the similarities of cults in general.
puckf17 3 years ago
Oh man I can't wait until this fucked-up- billion-dollar-corporate-disguising as a religion gets dismantle and shut down once and for all....!
Respect goes out to the people that stands up and speak out about this CULT....!!
80Perkele 3 years ago
Thanks, AboutScientology for filming this, to Mark for posting it and to Jason for having the balls to speak out against a dangerous cult that has all his dox. You all kick major ass.
HouseSpiderAnon 3 years ago 7
How blasphemous that "merry Christmas" devotes herself to the celebration of Christ's birth yet supports scientology which makes men into Gods of their own twisted making. She most be crazy or evil at heart.
bradbavarde 3 years ago
He who know that he doesn't know knows. That means nobody knows anything---including the first person to say that.
MetaMorphy 3 years ago
Excellent excellent video, well worth the 35 minutes.
theranthor 3 years ago 3
This is awesome. thanks so much for posting this im glad to see this. hey xenutv are you gonna show this to any American news crew? i.e. CNN or FOX? this is good stuff and people here should be more aware of whats happening.
musketeer86 3 years ago 3
You know when you go..oh no a 35 minute video..well, this one had me on the edge of my seat- Jason is a great speaker and he added even deeper inight into the cult- especially how members justify their actions.
Protest the cult- because it really matters.
laserofjustice 3 years ago 4
THE BEST? SERIOUSLY? get off your moral high horse. profanity isn't your thing? I say it makes things more colorful and dramatic as a cheap laugh, but a laugh nonetheless. It certainly does not "make or break" a discussion, much less one in the confines of the internet. There's nothing to claim defeat to; the collective called anonymous has already won. Why? Because you kept playing the game, have lost, and have kept losing. Just. As. Planned. Have a nice day, You Just Lost The Game again.
rofflemeister 3 years ago
another day, another ignorant person like you
rofflemeister. what is it you think you have won ? you are the laughing stock on planet earth, that's not winning, that's obvious defeat. set some minimal standards for yourself. what 1st grade drop-out like youself justifies profanity ? on the the TRULY ignorant embrace profanity. then again if you only have a 100 word vocabulary, what choice do you have ?
MerryChristmas2You 3 years ago
I think you'll find the ignorant hypocrite is you. You say other people's arguments are not based in facts when the same can be said of your own arguments, and your need to insult people (usually by degrading them), shows a childish, playground-like behvaiour.
To be honest though, you seem like a typical control freak, so I'm just going to leave you alone, and concentrate on other things, like this video, as opposed to deliberately trolling people who have commented on this video.
plattsyB 3 years ago
my previous post was directed at MerryChristmas2you's last message, youtube just temporarily failed me, so I apologise to the people who may have been offended.
plattsyB 3 years ago
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you should learn the proper use of the word "troll" , plattsyB. then again, with your 3rd grade education, that might be pointless. if you knew jack shit about what you were talking about i would afford you basic respect. here are the actual facts, inbred: i made a SINGLE comment about this video. i am ENTITLED to MY opinion, INBRED.
once i made that comment the sick, perverted, scared and over defensive inbred's that r opposed to scientology, chimed in. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT NEXT TIME !
MerryChristmas2You 3 years ago
Firstly you claim you're just stating your opinion, then you claim you're trolling 'inbreds', and now you claim you're just stating your opinion? Get your facts straight as well. And the fact that you are using childish insults backs up my theory that your argument is suited to the playground only. Plus I live in the UK, so I never went to 'grad school', so come up with a better insult, troll, and try not to be a racist sack of shit.
plattsyB 3 years ago
the fact seems to be: you're an idiot with a fair vocabulary
hozilla420 3 years ago
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the fact is you seem to be as defensive, scared, fearful and anxious as the scientologists. who would seem to more dangerous ? i vote you. you remind me of adolph hitler. anybody who expresses an opinion that deviates from yours in the least and you would most likely take those people out in the street and shoot them. right ?
MerryChristmas2You 3 years ago
If anyone is like Hitler, it is the scientologists who crave power and seduce people with an ideology of humanism to its worst form. Moreover, they do it through an intensive brainwashing process that kills an identity and separates them from the real world.
bradbavarde 3 years ago
Thank you for invoking Godwin's Law MerryChristmas2You. This argument is now over, and I think, under the terms of the law, I win.
And I don't shoot people.
I merely hack them to death with a rusty felling axe.
plattsyB 3 years ago
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there never was an argument. what is it you think you have won ? the fact that you live in a 3rd world country like the UK suggests
you're pretty clueless anyway.again, learn the proper use of the word "troll", you're only embarrassing yourself.
MerryChristmas2You 3 years ago
There was an argument, so learn the proper use (and the definition) of the word "argument", you're only embarassing yourself.
And I'm sorry you couldn't make that post without being racist, it just shows your poor judgement, and your poor diplomatic & friend-making ability.
Also, scientology sucks BALLS.
plattsyB 3 years ago
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you should just admit obvious defeat. you can't even substantiate anything you say. racist ? you make accusations that have no basis in fact nor do you intend to supply any.
says alot about how desperate and feeble you are.
MerryChristmas2You 3 years ago
You were racist? Yes you were. You said Britain is a third world country, which can be quite easily treated as offensive in nature to people who are British. Hence, you were racist. There, I intended to supply evidence to back up my argument, and I did; which is more than can be said of you, considering you make accusations (such as I am supposedly Hitler), without backing them up.
Scientology ist eine grosse schiesse.
plattsyB 3 years ago
all you're doing is running around chasing your own tail, like a dog.
MerryChristmas2You 3 years ago
I like dogs. You seem to be a cat person, perhaps that's why we don't get along?
Oh no, wait, it's because you can't take people providing better arguments than yourself and people proving you wrong.
plattsyB 3 years ago
lol. when you produce something that remotely resembles a valid argument, let me know. in the meantime, i'll just laugh at you.
MerryChristmas2You 3 years ago
When you produce an argument to counter the fact that I have brought up several arguments most of which are based in fact, and your argument isn't as crap as your looks, ho, let me know.
In the meantime, I'll just laugh at the big Corporation of Scientology (Co$).
plattsyB 3 years ago
where is your argument ? what facts ?
only person i'm laughing at is you.
it's truly amazing how many anti-scientologists are so defensive and fearful.
are you scared of your own shadow ?
MerryChristmas2You 3 years ago
No, I'm scared of cults.
My arguments were originally directed at you, but, to be honest, if you want me to start providing my arguments against the corporation of scientology (the religion, as just a religion, is fine in itself, so I'll leave the Freezoners alone [as they do things for FREE pounds and FREE-ity FREE pence]), then fine, I will, just go ahead and ask.
All in all, I'm not sure who's trolling who anymore, because you're acting like a stuck up bitch, and I'm a professional arse.
plattsyB 3 years ago
your use of the word "bitch" is interesting.
that's like calling a native american the "n" word. huh ? wtf ?
would you like to try again ?
MerryChristmas2You 3 years ago
Okay.
You're a bitch.
And I'll promise I'll never call a Native American a Native again.
plattsyB 3 years ago
i guess with your extremely limited vocabulary, we can't expect anything more from you. i'm guessing any word that has more than 2 syllables is also a struggle for you.
MerryChristmas2You 3 years ago
I guess with your extremely limited repertoire of arguments, which extend little beyond a playground style, we can't expect anything more from you other than what has come before.
I'm guessing getting over yourself is also a struggle for you.
plattsyB 3 years ago
He's more of a skunk person, coming in here spraying the place up with his noxious comments
ValerieBarlow 3 years ago
would you prefer blackmail and stalking and ruining their lives like Scientology? Shooting would probably be more affective in stopping someone who has nothing to lose by outing a cult.
JoeandOlly 3 years ago 3
you do realize that by having been the one to mention Hitler first you have invoked Godwin's law, and thus have completely lost any kind of merit your original argument had? Don't believe me? google "Godwin's Law".
also, I'm not scared of any cults whatsoever. I just feel pity for the poor bastards getting their money siphoned off to battle monsters where there's none. That, and I abhor people who allow child labor go unnoticed.
rofflemeister 3 years ago
problem is you have to believe in Godwin's Law, which i don't. so nothing was invoked.
try again.
MerryChristmas2You 3 years ago
Just because you do not believe in a law doesn't make it any less true. The same principle works for Murphy's Law. It's a matter of doing or not doing. You did, therefore you invoked it. Whether you believe in it or not is irrelevant. Try again.
rofflemeister 3 years ago
sorry, it doesn't work that way. you invoked it because you beleive in it, good for you.
to me, it's nonsense and i don't believe in it. invoking it in my opinion is irrelevant.
maybe next time invoke it with someone who is a member of the National Association of Naive and Gullible People.
MerryChristmas2You 3 years ago
Boohoo I'm hurt. :'( You called me stupid with pretty words. Seriously, you have HUGE faults in your line of thinking, and yet you keep trying to sound smart for the sake of arguing. Here's something that I'd like for you to explain: if UK is a 3rd world country, how is it their money is 2 times the value of the American dollar? Here's what I mean: $2 = £1. If you don't believe me, go look it up. it's on MSN, Yahoo and AOL. Same with the Euro, $1.70 = €1.00 Now, how is this possible?
rofflemeister 3 years ago
Well first of all, the UK is not a third-world country even though, just like America, its fast becoming full of third-world refugees. America has drained its resources on this illegal invasion of Iraq coupled with the corruption and outright theft(Enron style bail-outs, the Federal reserve, 911, election theft, oil price fixing,etc.)from the American people-Thats how its possible.
ValerieBarlow 3 years ago
only a truly dimwitted person would come to those conclusions based on NO facts.
then again, its comes from someone with a "3rd world country" mentality, what can you expect. geez. try producing some facts next time.
MerryChristmas2You 3 years ago
NO Facts? what the hell?? Seriously, if "we" are the ones without facts, how about you state a few of your own instead of outright claiming they're not? It's the same as saying "NO U!" every time you're cornered.
rofflemeister 3 years ago
America was mostly dominated by the British before independence.
In the history of the world, the British have had the largest (and one of the most influential) empire.
The Commonwealth, the oldest and one of the most successful international institutions, is British.
Most other countries, including America, have called upon British engineers at some point or another.
Britain is not as powerful as America, Russia, or China, but is certainly capable of totalling all three, with our nukes.
plattsyB 3 years ago
just because it's fast getting full of third-world refugees doesn't mean it's status will decrease that easily. Especially into a "3rd world country" category... but yeah, I see how Christmas might've gotten the facts confused. What with all that "Applied Scholastics" she prolly used to teach herself. 8(
rofflemeister 3 years ago
your logic is truly laughable.
if you compare the net worth of both countries, what do you come up with "genius" ?
MerryChristmas2You 3 years ago
Okay then, fellow Naive person, who can't accept that people can have views different to his, and that they won't accept that their views aren't nice, in your eyes.
We'll disregard Godwin's Law, as I agree that is a bit of a cop out, and tends to get in the way of a good argument.
plattsyB 3 years ago
i'm not naive, and if you took the time to look at ALL comments, you would see i made a simple comment that i'm entitled too. i didn't jump on anybody, it's the anti-scientology people who post here that s**t in their drawers and took issue with free speech.
try to invoke all the laws you want to, my conclusion is you and rofflemeister are just laughable and ignorant and have serious issues with free speeech. you only make yourself look bad.
MerryChristmas2You 3 years ago
Evidently you only believe in LRH law. I didn't know $cientologists listened to Christmas music obsessively.
ValerieBarlow 3 years ago
I invoke Sod's Law.
The internet connection in your house spontaneously explodes and sets fire to the building.
plattsyB 3 years ago
Attention, friends of Tory and WBM.
We must pull together now as anonymous is being blamed for hacking Sarah Palins email.
They shut wikileaks down.
Scientology stands to gain more from this then anybody.
I think Scientology did it, so they could just get wikileaks down and disband anonymous etc.
I smell Paulette Cooper like scandal here.
Make vid and post on why this is like operation freak out.
peace
sheepled2slaughter 3 years ago 3
I doubt scientology did srlsy.
Unless they have a scientologist in their staff.
You can easily trace the initial hack trust me.
lord69z 3 years ago
alright. Maybe I'm wrong, but even wiki leaks it still saying it was anonymous, even though it was a lone kid(supposedly) who is a son of a dem in Tennessee.
All the news reports, when it first broke said it was anonymous even though they are not organized. And Anonymous did make a statement about attacking Sarah Palin before or after. How the hell did the News Media and even wiki leaks atribute this to anonymous ?
The Feds where in it as well as the secret service.
But my bad.
sheepled2slaughter 3 years ago
I meant anonymous didn't make a statement vid.
sheepled2slaughter 3 years ago
I still think its very possible sicnetology called in saying it was cyber terrorism from anonymous.
lord69z 3 years ago 3
that's just stupid. Anonymous already knows who did this. It's a kid from Tennessee.
Not everything is the CoS.
LurkingObesity 3 years ago
ok well im walmart and the trickle down effect says
science[tolgy] is a joke and so is Tommy and a author aka lrhubbby
umm every thing comes from scriptz
type lol
Scientologyist love star track
segagman 3 years ago
cruise & his cult are circling the drain. I bet L.RON is rolling in his grave...do theatans have graves?
freddysnotdead 3 years ago
Jason, this was a fantastic speech. Thank you for standing up and speaking the truth.
assistanon 3 years ago 4
Thanks for the post Mark. 5/5
jodom1979 3 years ago
I'm really thinking that one person can make a difference, make sure everyone on the planet sees this.
anonlul 3 years ago 2
lol yaaay auto focus! Gawd. ahaha gret speech though
DjC4 3 years ago
*great
DjC4 3 years ago
"He who thinks he knows doesn't know. He who knows he doesn't know, knows."
That's fucking brilliant! :)
quasarsphere 3 years ago
Thank you, Jason.
Calanagear 3 years ago 2
Maybe someday soon when Tom Cruise wakes up, he'll be speaking out like this.
xenubie 3 years ago 2
its funny, cuz at the start of this video, you could replace the word "scientology" with any other religion and it would still hold.
anyone with certainty that they are right, and that man is screwed without their particular religion is dangerous.
Brettah31 3 years ago
government sponsored! very nice!
so how did anon help this video happen?
Brettah31 3 years ago
THis guy is a great speaker
100flyingfish 3 years ago 2
Good job Jason, who knows hopefully this will get to some scientologists and free them.
LordAtheistCrusader 3 years ago 2
Beghe should be the next Don LaFontaine
LurkingObesity 3 years ago
Save Alecia Beth Moore aka Pink ; )
let's go tubing ; )
for epic win!
sheepled2slaughter 3 years ago
"Source" bless this man!!
pacmanq 3 years ago
powerful stuff
reduxphl 3 years ago
He is a great guy to have on our side. I mean listen to his voice. The guy should do movie voice overs.
In a world...
doodles6857 3 years ago
His voice is super bad ass! Good points to:)
groupie86 3 years ago 3
Dude, seriously! Great points, but when the guy saying them sounds that tough, forget about it.
EdWont 3 years ago
Thanks for an update Mark! Love your videos!
shasaki1 3 years ago