Epic - ; w/ Brecker Bros. Milcho Leviev, Abercrombie playing a white SG, all them cats wearing yellow 'Hindu/Mid Eastern style' shirts - Post Lysergic early ' 70s Fusion.
I don't know about you guys but he's one of my favorite all time guitarists next to Mclaughlin and Hendrix. In the era of Mclaughln, he, Larry Corryell were among the first to play fusion leads with some serious rock attitude and unbelievable jazz knowledge.
rock, blues and bop. with the Hendrix scream and bomb! accents.
@ignatzmouses I also came to hear Mike Brecker, but that was harsh. Check out some Frank Gambale and get back to me if you still think guitar is stupid.
If not THE best hands and feel in the art, then it must be impossible to rank one master against another. Wow, what a fuhREAK! I still listen to David Garibaldi to this day, but Bobham was the prime influence on my playing then. I wore the vinyl down - slowing it to 78rpm's and trying to comprehend this man's explosion of feeling.
absolutely. Cobham back in the 70's was unbelievable to watch and listen to. I've seen many different bands that cobham put together in the 70's. I remember seeing this particular lineup several times.
ppl are just born with different taste I guess. Personally I dont like this.... I just have seen you discuss many things about classic drummers and talking not so good about drummers that dont appear on classic records., so I wanted to see what is it that you like in music, and I can see we're very different, and that is just that.
Well, I just won't put someone at "Legendary" status unless I feel they have earned it. I feel Billy earned his Legendary Status early in his career. Mahavishnu earned Legendary status by being groundbreaking and creating his own unique form of drumming that practically every major drummer has studied from. Guys like Dennis Chambers, Vinnie Colaiuta, Steve Smith, Simon Phillips, John Blackwell, etc., etc., etc., have all studied Billy and he is among the greatest drummers in the world.
We all have obsessions, yu must b very obsessed about legendary status. anyway, we r talking bout how u feel about it obviously. at Least Im glad u recognized those drummers as major drummers, heh. for my taste BIlly as the master was surpassed by those even without being legends like Bill... the legendary status that you talk about. But its great that you have such passion for the music you like, you defend it too well.
juanbarros88, In order to establish a framework of understanding, one must have a background that has been researched. I don't know how much time you have spent in your 21 years about the origins of fusion music and the different offshoots. I don't know what your catalog of CDs/albums is that you have really studied. Listening to a Mahavishnu, RTF album once or twice doesn't cut it. On has to spend years listening to fusion to fully understand it.
I just like putting those at Legendary status that have earned it. Billy earned that status in his 20's and early 30's, not just by what he did with Mahavishnu, his own solo albums like Spectrum, Crosswinds, Total Eclipse are all classic jazz/fusion albums that every drummer should be studying. How about Fly with the Wind with McCoy Tyner? Another classic. Not many drummers have a discography of classic albums like Billy. He is a living legend and deserves that recognition.
I have had some discussions with you long ago, you recommended me some of his work, like Fly with the wind which I got but it was really hard for me to listen to because it just turns into background music, maybe at my age and experience I cant really listen to it, or maybe its just not for my taste, same with mahavishnu but wih mahavishnu I do like some songs but dont listen to them as often as others. of the classics I know I like Return to Forever the most. I'll try again today, hehe.
Suggestion, when you listen to the early music like Mahavishnu, take some private time with no one around, listen to the entire album from start to finish without interuptions and listen see if you can do selective listening to each player by them selves or in various groupings. Mahavishnu, IMO, takes at least 1,000 plays per album to really digest it properly. Also, get the songbook, it helps people understand some of the concepts behind McLaughlin's songwriting as he experiments A LOT.
I think one can state as a fact in some cases whos more skillful/ knowledgeable , since that doesnt have to do w/ taste. Taste comes in when its about whos more beautiful or what goes well with the song or whatever. the term better should b used more carefully if this is true. I think! in my amateur opinion, Vinnies more skillful/knowledgeable in general than BIll but Bill can sound more beautiful depending on ur ear. i really dont have a skillmeter so im this case is not a fact.
discussions over this can go on forever. I'd be trying to say how this guy and this guy do more complex stuff than BIll then you'll be saying Bill's a legend because he was in maha so Im wrong bout Bill, that makes him better. but then there's no better when taste's involved, unless the taste is the same. I cant prove Vinnie is at a higher level cause there is opposing taste that wont see it. some think its all about who sounds more beautiful, not skillful. To me skillful things r beautiful.
Well, I don't think it is appropriate to say one is a Legend or better than already established legends when one drummer hasn't reached that status in all circles, which is what some are doing. I think vinnie is a great drummer, but based on his discography of long list of credits, I think he has reached Legendary status like some of you are obsessing about.
Awesome...the good old days with Billy & the Brecker Brothers...we miss Mike always!
C.G. Ukiah, CA
flangeres1752 1 week ago
very RARE!!!!
DRoephIe 4 months ago
Epic - ; w/ Brecker Bros. Milcho Leviev, Abercrombie playing a white SG, all them cats wearing yellow 'Hindu/Mid Eastern style' shirts - Post Lysergic early ' 70s Fusion.
egyptianminor 9 months ago
this sounds like " the Spanish Moss Suite"
"Storm" & "Flash Flood"!!!
Didn't know this was captured on film!!!
Myke21 9 months ago
This is THE SHIT! Oh the good ole days!
tmg1968 10 months ago
thanx for posting, very rare document
DRoephIe 11 months ago
What a tune, remember me the golden age of jazzrock....
WANNAROCKNROLL 1 year ago
I want that jersey.
tthomasmpfaff 1 year ago
Holy shit what a band.
EliotKrupa 1 year ago
Abercrombie solo starts at 7:20!!!!!
I don't know about you guys but he's one of my favorite all time guitarists next to Mclaughlin and Hendrix. In the era of Mclaughln, he, Larry Corryell were among the first to play fusion leads with some serious rock attitude and unbelievable jazz knowledge.
rock, blues and bop. with the Hendrix scream and bomb! accents.
that's my favorite.
1Delta 1 year ago
Not Shabazz......
wildsticks 1 year ago
I want to hear mike B not some stupid guitar player
ignatzmouses 2 years ago
This is John Ambercrombie who came along long before mike B.I prefer John Ambercrombie actually...
tn526 2 years ago
@ignatzmouses I also came to hear Mike Brecker, but that was harsh. Check out some Frank Gambale and get back to me if you still think guitar is stupid.
Modes9 1 year ago
BTW this cut is not Shabazz- It's Spanish Moss- A Sound Portrait : Storm... It's from the Crosswinds album-great post,thanks!
Nicar526 2 years ago
If not THE best hands and feel in the art, then it must be impossible to rank one master against another. Wow, what a fuhREAK! I still listen to David Garibaldi to this day, but Bobham was the prime influence on my playing then. I wore the vinyl down - slowing it to 78rpm's and trying to comprehend this man's explosion of feeling.
billytheweasel 2 years ago
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billytheweasel 2 years ago
Very Nice! Grew up listening to the shabazz lp in High School. Very nice upload. thank you.
noelevan 2 years ago
I really love this drummer.I grew up with his playing in my ears,in my brain,in my heart.
Thanks really a lot MR.Billy Cobham for all the great work on drums that you have done and that you are doing.
Respect for Billy Cobham.
palipao 2 years ago
exelent this concert hope complete
:D
thanks
fatherfocus 2 years ago
This sounds like Flash Flood from the Crosswinds album, not Shabazz.
Oneness100 2 years ago
so is this what you like?
juanbarros88 2 years ago
absolutely. Cobham back in the 70's was unbelievable to watch and listen to. I've seen many different bands that cobham put together in the 70's. I remember seeing this particular lineup several times.
Great band. It's a shame about Micheal Brecker.
Oneness100 2 years ago
ppl are just born with different taste I guess. Personally I dont like this.... I just have seen you discuss many things about classic drummers and talking not so good about drummers that dont appear on classic records., so I wanted to see what is it that you like in music, and I can see we're very different, and that is just that.
juanbarros88 2 years ago
Well, I just won't put someone at "Legendary" status unless I feel they have earned it. I feel Billy earned his Legendary Status early in his career. Mahavishnu earned Legendary status by being groundbreaking and creating his own unique form of drumming that practically every major drummer has studied from. Guys like Dennis Chambers, Vinnie Colaiuta, Steve Smith, Simon Phillips, John Blackwell, etc., etc., etc., have all studied Billy and he is among the greatest drummers in the world.
Oneness100 2 years ago
We all have obsessions, yu must b very obsessed about legendary status. anyway, we r talking bout how u feel about it obviously. at Least Im glad u recognized those drummers as major drummers, heh. for my taste BIlly as the master was surpassed by those even without being legends like Bill... the legendary status that you talk about. But its great that you have such passion for the music you like, you defend it too well.
juanbarros88 2 years ago
juanbarros88, In order to establish a framework of understanding, one must have a background that has been researched. I don't know how much time you have spent in your 21 years about the origins of fusion music and the different offshoots. I don't know what your catalog of CDs/albums is that you have really studied. Listening to a Mahavishnu, RTF album once or twice doesn't cut it. On has to spend years listening to fusion to fully understand it.
Oneness100 2 years ago
I just like putting those at Legendary status that have earned it. Billy earned that status in his 20's and early 30's, not just by what he did with Mahavishnu, his own solo albums like Spectrum, Crosswinds, Total Eclipse are all classic jazz/fusion albums that every drummer should be studying. How about Fly with the Wind with McCoy Tyner? Another classic. Not many drummers have a discography of classic albums like Billy. He is a living legend and deserves that recognition.
Oneness100 2 years ago
I have had some discussions with you long ago, you recommended me some of his work, like Fly with the wind which I got but it was really hard for me to listen to because it just turns into background music, maybe at my age and experience I cant really listen to it, or maybe its just not for my taste, same with mahavishnu but wih mahavishnu I do like some songs but dont listen to them as often as others. of the classics I know I like Return to Forever the most. I'll try again today, hehe.
juanbarros88 2 years ago
Suggestion, when you listen to the early music like Mahavishnu, take some private time with no one around, listen to the entire album from start to finish without interuptions and listen see if you can do selective listening to each player by them selves or in various groupings. Mahavishnu, IMO, takes at least 1,000 plays per album to really digest it properly. Also, get the songbook, it helps people understand some of the concepts behind McLaughlin's songwriting as he experiments A LOT.
Oneness100 2 years ago
@Oneness100
I wouldn`t agree on that matter. In the 70,80`s many fusion drummers made records as a band leader,
like Lenny White, Alphonse Mouzon, Harvey Mason, Narada Michael Walden
and they all were in their 20,30`s at that time.
ottolight 2 years ago
Which specific statement/opinion are you not in agreement?
Oneness100 2 years ago
I think one can state as a fact in some cases whos more skillful/ knowledgeable , since that doesnt have to do w/ taste. Taste comes in when its about whos more beautiful or what goes well with the song or whatever. the term better should b used more carefully if this is true. I think! in my amateur opinion, Vinnies more skillful/knowledgeable in general than BIll but Bill can sound more beautiful depending on ur ear. i really dont have a skillmeter so im this case is not a fact.
juanbarros88 2 years ago
discussions over this can go on forever. I'd be trying to say how this guy and this guy do more complex stuff than BIll then you'll be saying Bill's a legend because he was in maha so Im wrong bout Bill, that makes him better. but then there's no better when taste's involved, unless the taste is the same. I cant prove Vinnie is at a higher level cause there is opposing taste that wont see it. some think its all about who sounds more beautiful, not skillful. To me skillful things r beautiful.
juanbarros88 2 years ago
Well, I don't think it is appropriate to say one is a Legend or better than already established legends when one drummer hasn't reached that status in all circles, which is what some are doing. I think vinnie is a great drummer, but based on his discography of long list of credits, I think he has reached Legendary status like some of you are obsessing about.
Oneness100 2 years ago
Are you able to post some more of this concert please?????
tonyfreejazz20 2 years ago
HELL YEAH...Thanks for posting this gem...awesome.
tonyfreejazz20 2 years ago