LOL, Think Japan is really going down.. There was a time when Japan used to outclass S.Korea in many areas. Think those days are gone for good as Japanese blokes do masturbating only here at youtube out of total desperation..lol Since I used to support & respect Japan, you guys are such a disappointments..lol What happen to you Japs? You have all become a bunch of lying chickens..lol Maybe too frequent earth quake and nuclear disasters have been too much for you all..Poor Japs..What a pity!~LOL
@sichimura Japan has no need to hire such a no-name man because it's the mainstream theory in the world that Japan made a great contribution to the modernization of Korea.
@skyfiller12 you should study History of Korea from Historical books published in foreign countries around Korea such as China, Japan, Russia, and US. Only from Korean history textbook you studied Korean History. So you never fail to insist you're right forever without any idea except it. Your Way of View always seems to be One.
Korea Govt love to arrest who has right view of history. there is No Freedom of speech, No Democracy. No Way to help citizens. they would live in their fabricated Fantasy. Anyway, its Problem that Distorted Confucianism makes korean think himself superior to Japanese with No Reason. Only Prejudice....so sad.
＠kf1618175 また、こんなところで馬鹿げた話をやってるな 私の要求した外国人評価への客観的反論の回答はどうした？ 何も言えなくなったか？ >Sharaku is Korea artist、Hiroshige, Hokusai both of them could be Korean Japanese people 礼氏もキリストも皆韓国人だろう？ そして地球も韓国人が作ったんだろう？ どうしてそこまで世界の笑い者になってることを知らないんだ？哀れな奴だな 日本と朝鮮の当時の裕福、貧困さもイザベラバードの紀行書に書いてある ・日本は裕福とは言えないが、国が良く統治されている、そして礼儀正しく、勤勉で、親切な民族という印象だ ・朝鮮は言葉にして言いたくないぐらいの状態だったという印象だ 嘘だとか信じるなとかは反論でもなんでもない貴方の主観だ 客観的証拠を示せよ
@kf1618175 Oh yeah? But Japan in 17c had great pop culture artists such as Hiroshige, Hokusai and Sharaku who later became internationally famous. Only a rich citizen society can create rich pop cultures. Then what pop artists did RICH Korea in 17c have?
@kf1618175 Oh yeah? But Osama Bin Laden was very rich. Rich America attacked and robbed Holland-ruled Philippines. And Japan has not made any war against Korea since 1598. The annexation is not a war.
@kf1618175 I don't think that Japanese were welcomed all of Koreans those days. But it's a fact that great number of poor people welcomed Japanese rulers because their standard of living dramatically got improved. And Koreans have neither blood line of Shinto priest nor ability to maintain shrines. So probably Japanese had no choice but to pull out shrines.
@kf1618175 Why is the withdrawal of the shrine related to being uninvited guests? I think the reason for the withdrawal was that Japanese didn't want Koreans to touch to a sacred thing. Anyway, your comments are inconsequent and hard to understand.
@kf1618175 the reason why Japan recognized the independence of Korea was unrelated to whether or not the annexation was legal. Japan had no choice about it because of its vulnerable position as a defeated nation at that time. In the first place war-worn Japan lacked the ability to hold the peninsula that was a front-line of the cold war those days.
@kf1618175 Are you sober? He is only talking about positive aspects of the annexation and not inflaming anti-U.S. sentiments. Why does talking about the annexation have to do with anti-Americanism?
@kf1618175 That's illogical. Kim's opinion contradicts not only South's official historical view but also North's. And Kim's view is more dangerous for North's regime than for South's.
@Mayplestory1 Japanese right wingers don't need to bribe such a non-name man. There are lots of eminent scholars who admit that the role played by Japan in the modernization of Korea was great all over the world. You can read "Offspring of Empire" for example.
@Mayplestory1 Please do google. The author of "Offspring of Empire" is an American scholar. And it's the established theory in the world except in Korea that Japan's colonial rule of Korea was quite beneficent.
@TheDesertFox2009 Please do google. ALL historians confirmed Illegal forge by japs on the last Emperor of Korea and Jap's killing the last Empress of Korea before annexation. Annexation was illegal. More than 100 jap scholars admitted and confirmed. One and only country people that are taught lies in school and thus brainwashed, that is Japanese.
@Mayplestory1 The annexation was legal. It earned the international community's recognition at the time. And the last Queen of Korea was a crazy bitch who spent all national budget on fortune-telling and cracked down bitterly on reformist groups. So one of Korean reformist groups killed her. Though several Japanese supported the group they are not mastermind.
@TheDesertFox2009 Hey dumbass, historians clearly say annexation was ILLEGAL. Your fucked up ancestors FORGED SIGNATURE OF LAST EMPEROR OF KOREA, AND KILLED THE EMPRESS.
You killed many koreans, raped many korean women, and stole many korean treasures.
Is that why Japanese are proud of 3 things as their cultures?
1. samurai = killer
2. geisha= prostitutes
3. ninja = thieves.
Go figure. LMFAO. Don't reply any more, blind and deaf.
@Mayplestory1 Korean historians and Koreans are the only people in the world that insist the annexation was illegal. The annexation was wanted by Korean king and was quite beneficent for Koreans. Why don't you turn your eyes to the common sense in international society?
@TheDesertFox2009 Koreans AND historians are the only people who say annexation was ILLEGAL.
Japanese are the only people who say annexation was legal because they FORGED THE LAST KING OF KOREA'S SIGNATURE TO SIGN ON THE PAPER, AND they KILLED THE LAST EMPRESS.
@Mayplestory1 In the first place why are you obsessed so madly about whether the annexation is legal or not? Who cares? It was the age of imperialism at that time so great powers robbed uncivilized nations without caring about whether it was legal or not. Of course the annexation was legal in International law so Japan was never accused of it by International community after WW2.
@2011wine Kim Wan Sop majored in theoretical physics at Seoul National University and has high logical thinking power unusually for Koreans. Therefore he could find the the truth without getting swayed by his nationalistic emotion. Now almost Korean specialists of history can't find the truth because of the influence of their ethnic sentiment. Even if they could dig out the truth, they can't announce it because of Korean's public sentiment and the governmental pressure.
@2011wine And you know, ancient Korean peninsula was a multiracial area. Even once north part of the peninsula was a Chinese territory and south part of the peninsula was a Japanese territory. And there were lots of Chinese and Japanese living in Bakjae. Ancient Korean peninsula was not only a Korean's very own territory. Even if someone living in ancient peninsula made a contribution or something to Japan, you Koreans don't need to brag about it.
@2011wine He is the only one that nobody recognizes. I heard he got bribed by Japanese right wingers.
Japan teaches lies to their kids to avoid shame and guilt but the thing is THE HISTORICAL FACT does not go away. The fact is Japan killed 30 millions innocent asians and raped over 200,000 asian women and stole many national treasures. And out of shame, they say "We did this to modernize you" LMFFFFFFFFAO.
Those records are by historians and they call Japanese act as Asia's Holocaust.
fuckkkkkkkkk lol You Neo Nazi Japs with your anti Korean propaganda shit on youtube makes me laugh. Do you really think that all the intelligent people all around the world all of a sudden after seeing this type of garbage will mass a different opinion against a certain group of people and take up arms or stop conducting business with the Koreans??? Morons here's a thought,
JAPAN=NEUTERED Nation.
Please continue bringing shame onto your nation!!! great job;)
How much paid for him for making justification and do brainwash yourself?
How much? at least about 100,000,000 Yen? huh?
That guy is just a waste garbage in Korea. How much paid for the jerk?
Whatever you would try to propaganda to cover Japan's crimes in Asia. it can't be your self-sufficiency
And Korea already installed electric railroad train car in Soeul in 1898 that is 3years before in Japan than If a countries use electric facilities, than it makes developments.
@AGKranranru I do not disagree with this part. The Joseon dynasty was going through many changes because of Taewonggun's influence to young Gojong's rule. Because of him, many foreign influences were rejected while Japan was far ahead in foreign trade. Because of this, Taewonggun led the country to become the "Hermit Kingdom". The Yangbans were indeed fighting but for influence in the kingdom's structure. It's kinda like Democrat and Republican.
@AGKranranru French priests were of course making a lot of commentary about the Korean policies since some of them were shot at while they were docking Korea's ports. The reason is because there were some artifacts stolen from their old tombs; Taewonggun took this very offensively and he decided to close the ports of Korea. Later in 1876, Kim Ki-su and Kim keong jip searched for a new policy amongst his countrymen, called the enlightenment policy. They were envoys to Japan which saw the great
@YunSeung Charles Dallet had never been to Korea.he just compiled reports
by french christians before the slaughte that choson had done in 1866. its true that Germany,Oppelt(not french priests) did rob a grave in 1868 as the revenge of chiristians slaughter. You are reversing the chronological order.in 1866,Taewongun slaughtered not only 9 westernes but even 8,000 korean.
so your explaine is wrong.in short,Dallet didnt wrote korea badly coz of the slaughter.
@AGKranranru I have not cited Charles Dallet. You should cite the sources about Taewonggun's slaughter of 8,000 Koreans; otherwise I'll assume it's not a good judgment in your behalf.
@YunSeung i thought christian persecution in korea since 19 century was famous.
1866`s persecution is known as 丙寅教獄.
wiki :Korean Martyrs
Martyrs were the victims of religious persecution against the Catholic Church during the 19th century in Korea. At least 8,000 adherents to the faith were known to have been killed during this persecution, 103 of whom were canonized en masse in 1984
@AGKranranru Yes, canonized and certainly "beatified" but I haven't heard about Taewonggun personally telling everyone to kill the priests and followers. I always learned that it was a result from the offensive remarks that the catholics said e.g. claiming that worshiping ancestors was "false idolatry". I'm sure that the locals who believed in the ancestors would've been pretty pissed. It wouldn't take Taewonggun's order to start beating a bunch of guys who offended the local religion.
@AGKranranru Hmmm... Alright. It's not exactly rare that catholic missionaries got killed in the Asiatic nations. Same did indeed happen in Japan and China so I'll assume that it's probable and likely.
@AGKranranru advancements in Japan, which led them to believe that Korea must have that same desire to advance as a whole. Unfortunately, The Donghak Revolution of 1894, the attempts of Taewonggun's influence on the Min clan, and the eventual assassination of Empress Myeongseong led to the downfall of the enlightenment policy. Korea wasn't "bankrupt" (in the views of the Japanese, it had to be in order to gain influence) It had corrupt Yangban leaders at the time since it became a tributary
@YunSeung Korean economy was messed up by Qeen Ming`s shamanism and the bad money called "当五銭" that Möllendorff cast.Impoverishment and corruption of local officials caused the revolt by Donghak
before the annexation,the average life expectancy of Koreans was 24-25 years.(崔基鎬 「韓国の堕落の2000年史」(youtube.com/watch?v=rk3-YzsugcY&feature=channel_video_title)
it is impossible to deny that Korea was bankrupt."
@AGKranranru Queen Min you mean, which is also known as Empress Myeongseong. The "bad money" you're talking about is the currency reform that Mollendorf proposed in order to better the economy. Paul Georg von Mollendorf is not a bad character as most people peg him to be; He proposed better economical plans and independence of the Korean empire from the grips of the Qing empire which was Li HongZang's wish. (look him up in wiki)
@YunSeung as you said "Gojong didn't declare the Empire of Greater Korea until 1897",
Queen Ming wasnt empress.(emperor`s wife is empress).after Imo gullan,the Queen started a cult religion and exhausted the national treasury without bounds.so this german made a bad money called "当五銭".
this new currency was only the value of 1/5 of old one.he and Ming family(occupied all position of the govet)
lined their own pockets.last year,N.Korea did same thing.this caused the sudden rise of prices.
@AGKranranru Uh, you keep saying Ming. It's Min. Ming is the family name of the Chinese before the Qing Dynasty, which lasted until the Manchu revolution in the 1600's. Min, is the name of the clan which Empress Myeongseong OR Queen Min, belonged in. She's rightfully called Empress Myeongseong as well as Queen Min in both Korean and English textbooks.
Although it was true that life expectancy of Koreans was 24 ish years for males and 26 years for females, it was mostly due to high taxation on the peasants. Bankruptcy is defined as a legal state where a person or an organization cannot pay its legal debts; which means that bankrupt is not the right term. Poor is a better term for the state that this country was in.
@YunSeung before the annexation :life expectancy of korean 24-25 years after the annexation :45 years(in 1942)before: population of korea 13 million (1910) after 25 million
"this was an economy invasion.50% of land was owned by japs.korean were exploited...."
The population has increased and life has been improved.
@AGKranranru Like I said before, I don't deny that Japan has made improvements in Korean economy, but that's like saying a woman wants a child and a rapist gives her a child, so its all ok. Don't you see something incredibly wrong with that?
actually land that Government-General of Korea had owned was 4% of entire land and the govet took immigration policy and sold land that govet had got by landownership investigation to japanese but It was less than 10%(朝鮮土地調査事業 :조선 토지조사 사업)
Bruce Cumings"The Legacy of Japanese Colonial Empire”
日本の朝鮮経営は、インドを農業社会に退行させたイギリスとは対照的である。(일본의 조선 경영은, 식민지를 농업사회에 퇴행시킨 영국과는 대조적이다.일본이 조선의 농업생산 향상을 위해서 투자한 개발이나 관개 사업은, 다른 식민지에서는 찾을 수는 없다. 이것은 일본뿐만 아니라 식민지인 조선의 발전에도 대단히 도움이 되었다. )
@AGKranranru Cuming's also says "Korea's march to modernity coincided with imperial aggression and colonial exploitation……But aggression and exploitation also coincided with fairly remarkable development and [learning...]Thus the Japanese set up a love-hate conflict that has gnawed at the Korean national identity ever since." Also, "[...] all industries were owned either by [Japanese] corporations or by Japanese corporations in Korea." Korea Under Japanese Rule, Library of Congress.
@YunSeung Korea was not able to send gold and silver of the amount that Qing had demanded in 18-19 century and in addition,after Imo gullan,korea agreed that he paid to ransom,50万円 to japan by 済物 浦 条約(제물포 조약)
Bringing tributes to China(Ming and Qing) was sort of contract.its legal debt.
@AGKranranru state of the Qing empire. All of the major changes of Joseon had to be permissible by the Chinese (because of the Manchu invasion in the 1600's led by Huang Taiji) In short, the fall of the late Chinese empire led to the eventual fall of Joseon. Joseon, however, became the Greater Korean Empire (aka Daehan Jeguk) and the Chinese became the Empire of China. 1897, Emperor Gojong started improvements and modernizations of policies. Not even 7 years later, he was forced to sign a treaty
@AGKranranru Korea was a tributary state to the Qing empire since the 1637 actually. Korea didn't become a tributary state until the second invasion of the Manchus. The first Sino-Japanese war was for the control of Korea and access to Korea's ports. Koreans at the time had a pro-Japanese party which led to the encouragement of Japan's help. Gojong didn't declare the Empire of Greater Korea until 1897, after the assassination of Myeongseong in 1895 plotted by Miura Goro. In 1896, Gojong and his
@AGKranranru handing over all assets to the Empire of Japan under the threat of the Japanese Gunboat policy, which was cited by US Commodore Matthew Perry. He states that it was initially a way to control trade between western countries and to prevent influence in their lands, but it didn't stop them from using it in other fashions.
Emperor Gojong even sent a letter to the western powers (UK, France, Austria-Hungary, Russia, Italy, Belgium, Germany) to help stop the Japanese from using unfair
@YunSeung this is wrong too.actually all countries refused the letter and appeal.we know that
3 koreans went to the Hague with king letter of attorney but recently according to Chosunilbo
(on July 8 2007), the peson in charge of Dutch national document said "there is no the record that three Korean showed emperor`s credentials in The Hague"
@AGKranranru I have not stated that the countries signed the letter. I've only stated that Gojong merely sent a letter of help to the western powers including China.
on May in 1903,Russo imperial and manchurian馬賊(마적) invaded Pyeonganbuk-do.
russia proposed Japan to divided Korean peninsula. but as soon as Japan refused it,Russia declared rupture of diplomatic intercourse. korean declared neutrality?no.actually 50,000 korean joined in the war
and korean govet signed "日韓議定書" and when japan was getting victory,unfair korean govet declared unilaterally abandon of the treaty or agreement with Russia on May 18 in 1905
@AGKranranru This is why it was important that Queen Min (as you dastardly imply that this is the only correct term for this person) was important in Korean history. If it wasn't for her, Japan would've gained influence in the Korean peninsula rapidly fast. After her death, that exact thing that she was preventing was happening right before everyone's eyes. There were rival clans that would've wanted the Japanese to come anyway.
@AGKranranru You say Korea as a whole country, but the whole reason why Russia was views so highly was, again, due to the Min clan. Without the Min clan's influence, Russia would've never gained influence, and Prussian Mollendorf would've never gained a seat in the royal court.
@AGKranranru policies against the country. The Eulsa treaty was later considered to be null and void by the agreement of Korea and Japan in 1965, signed by Etsusaboro Shiina, Shinichi Takasugi, Lee Dong Won, and Kim Dong Jo. In short, what I'm saying is that you're oversimplifying the situation by saying that Korea was just bankrupt and Japan saved them from economic devastation. The situation is much more complex that that of a simple statement.
@AGKranranru Uh no. This was agreed between Korean and Japanese delegates in the the United Nations General Assembly on December 12, 1948. I've already stated that the above signers: Etsusaboro Shiina, Shinichi Takasugi, Lee Dong Won, and Kim Dong Jo, have agreed that the Eulsa treaty was considered null and void because it was an unfair treaty between the two countries, granting greater power for Japanese influence. The treaty also quotes
It is confirmed that all treaties or agreements concluded between the Empire of Japan and the Empire of Korea on or before August 22, 1910 are "ALREADY" null and void.
till 1948,many govets had existed,DPRK,ROK and Daehan-minguk imsi jeongbu.the Eulsa treaty in 1905 has been valid but U.N approved ROK as Choson Dynasty`s right successor.therefore,the Eulsa treaty
are "ALREADY" null and void.
if no "already,it means that all agreements before 1910 are null and void.
@AGKranranru That's a fallacious interpretation of technicality. Just because a country was named a different country before, does not render it as a different country; It's just a different name. Korea went through several changes; After the Samhan states, it was once called Goryeo, and even unified Silla. After the falls of these systems, It was named Joseon as a tribute to the original Gojoseon state. Joseon literally became The Greater Empire of Korea to DPRK and ROK in a matter of 50 years.
@AGKranranru Return everything to Japan? Return exactly what? All the education and great systems? Well in that case, Korea should also give back the rape, murder, and unjust taxation on the citizens too?
@AGKranranru lol I'm sure you know what I meant but let me clarify this: The Eulsa treaty was indeed signed back in the 1900's but the new treaty says that the Eulsa treaty was an unfair and unjust treaty, therefore it was already null and void to begin with (this was the new treaty's argument). If you want to be TECHNICAL about it, the Eulsa treaty technically became null and void in 1948 via the UN committee and the joint signing between Korean and Japanese Delegates. Fair?
@AGKranranru "DONE in duplicate at Tokyo, this twenty-second day of June of the year one thousand nine hundred and sixty-five in the Japanese, Korean, and English languages, each text being equally authentic. In case of any divergence of interpretation, the English text shall prevail."
i didnt oversimplify but its a fact korean economy was messed up.young yangban stand up against old system and tried to reform but the indecisive emperor and a cruel queen obstructed all the reforms.
and a reliigion group revolted with poor farmers and slaves against govet.
at first this group was anti-japan but later cooperated with japan and defeated choson dynasty.
Korea was not able to modernize for himeself. and in the end,the partner whom the reformist had chosen was Japan.and Japan also thought that the border from Korea to Manchuria was the defense lines.
@AGKranranru Another fallacious argument. Korea was on its way to modernization after the Enlightenment party gained influence after visiting Japan. If not this party, the Donghak Peasant revolution could have started an industrial revolution. Look at the French; their country has modernized so quickly because they killed their king themselves. In the same way, if left alone, Korea would've gotten its own revolution. The Japanese killed many of the participants of the Donghak revolt.
(일반적으로 정치적 활기라든지 진보, 혁명이라고 하는 것은, 조선에는 존재하지 않는다. 인민은 무시되어 그들의 어떠한 의견도 용서되지 않는다. 권력을 잡는 귀족이 관심을 향하는 것은, 단지 인민을 억압해 가능한 한 많은 부를 짜 취하려고 할 때 뿐이다. 조선의 최근 3 세기의 기간은, 단지 귀족들의 참혹한 불모의 분쟁이라고 하는 단조로운 역사에 지나지 않는다.)
@AGKranranru Actually, it's pretty easy to consider. "Korean entrepreneurs were charged interest rates 25 percent higher than their Japanese counterparts [...]. More and more farmland was taken over by the Japanese, and an increasing proportion of Korean farmers either became sharecroppers or migrated to Japan or Manchuria as laborers. As greater quantities of Korean rice were exported to Japan, [...] consumption of rice among the Koreans declined" Korea Under Japanese Rule, Library of Congress
@AGKranranru The Korean slave system was only resulted from birthright. If you were a son of a concubine, chances were that you would be a slave. The Baekjung system you're indicating is not a slave system, but a system of peasantry. The Baekjung roughly translates to "the untouchables" (白丁) and they themselves could not own land. Farmers were not categorized as Baekjung people; Baekjung people were strictly concubines, entertainers, and musicians. They're similar to Burakumin or the Dalits.
Japan used his own tax,20 million yen and did the investigation of the landownership from 1910-19 the change of the area under tillage 1910 2,464,904.4(unit 町) 1929 4,392,115.6 the nationality of farmers 1928 Japanese 10,390 Korean 2,801,827 1942 Japanese 5,893 Korean 3,043,465 （水間憲政「朝鮮の研究」 Yong-hoon Lee 「大韓民国の物語」）
Well, when I was younger, my parents made clear that they weren't too fond of the Japanese (even though we'd eat Japanese food and I'd watch Pokemon and what not) but these days, everyone has been more exposed to Japanese culture and music (with X Japan's huge success in North America)...
only the older generations partially fuel the hate towards them still. Us new generation don't care much even though the Japanese never apologized for what they did.
poor guy...all this ego masturbation must stop. koreans are unique. no need to koreate history or anything. they have many things to be proud of. no need to uriginalize other cultures' things. fact is everybody does this but the koreans take this to a whole new level. shame on their right wing government. both countries being ran by thugs. they will take us to the brink of a new world war..,
@richardhaw Well, it doesn't help that we had a ban on Japanese products an culture which lasted until the 90's. Right now, a lot of changes has been made and many researchers are making attempts to excavate the old tombs for more information about their culture. The "uriginalization" is dwindling fast so you don't need to worry.
@BuffonMusa K, well that argument is not entirely true. Kumdo is merely a pronunciation of 剣道, which is pronounced Kendo in Japan. Kendo only means "way of sword" so you can't exactly say Koreans took it and made it theirs. There are different kinds of sword schools so you may hear names like Haedong Gumsool or Shippalgi Gumbup (Gum or Geom means sword btw). The art you're talking about is Daehan Geomdo (Gekiken), which is the art that the Japanese introduced to Korea back in 1896.
@BuffonMusa Judo, in Korean, would mean alcohol art so it wouldn't make sense to call it judo. The term yudo is, again, a pronunciation of the chinese characters 柔道. I have never met a Korean who claims yudo or judo is inherently Korean. They know its Japanese. Samurai is Samurai, Hwarang is Hwarang. They aren't interchangeable. The Hwarang was talked about in both the Samguk Yusa and Samguk Sagi (one of the famous ones being Kim Yushin) So you can't claim that.
@BuffonMusa What you're talking about is actually the Samurang which were the great warriors that were the precursor to the Samurai. This is what people of the Haidong Gumdo Federation claims but I think its obvious that it's a fabrication. The fabrication of the Hwarang myth is actually derived from the Hwarang-do Federation which made the Hwarang mirror the Samurai-like features; when in reality, they are entirely different warriors.
@BuffonMusa You have to understand that a lot of the so called "uri-ginal" changes were caused by the governmental ban on Japanese culture and products immediately after the the end of the annexation. So, the people who did learn martial arts had to change their martial art history; how else can you do it other than using fabricated stories? Instead of promoting Korean arts, they masked their Japanese art as Korean and spread it through out the country. That's why you will meet some people who
@BuffonMusa Chosonninja, I think, is a special case. He claims many things without research and believes wholly in his "master with no name". He is actually the result of the previous generation of Koreans, which were taught that the Japanese are bad people, Japanese people steal etc. His generation, I think, is from the generation that hates the Japanese the most. My generation on the other hand, does not believe this. If you ask any Korean in their early 20's you'll find that most of them
@BuffonMusa Do not actually believe that things like Samurai and things like Katana are from Korea. They believe that those are Japanese things because media tells us that those things are from japan and no where else. Even Hapkido instructors will tell you that their art is Korean, but it is a mixture of different martial arts together. My parents even agree on that. The "Uri-ginal" culture you speak of, is a very small amount of people that you may see on the net from time to time.
@BuffonMusa If you have a problem with them, then go fight with them. However, don't assume that every Korean will be this way. We may have our flaws just as well as everyone else on the planet. But to think that we're especially fucked up is nothing but bigotry and racism. We have our fair share of liars just as well as many others. I would think that you could only claim the "uriginalists" as bad people if you've never lied in your life. Not even a white lie.
@BuffonMusa think that Japanese arts like Kendo and warriors like the Samurai are a direct result of Korean influence. However, we may share a gene pool. If you look at the Kofun era and the artifacts of the Keyhole tombs in Japan, you can see why.
Koreans got into martial arts was Japanese effection.
Korean author Ha Gun Chun said the first movie he watched was Samurai movie during the Japanese occupation and he said the sword art(chanbara) was unforgettable.
And his favorite books were 47 Ronin, Kirigakure Saizo, and Miyamoto Musashi.
@BuffonMusa Yea that's true. Many people did like the byproducts of the Korea-Japan annexation. There were cartoons, toys, card games like hwatu and food that the Japanese brought over. If there are cool stories about warriors in the past, yes, there will be people who like him. That's why names like Miyamoto Musashi and movies like Kurosawa Akira's Seven Samurai have gained so much popularity.
@BuffonMusa Russia was welcomed into the country to prevent the Japanese economic invasion by Queen Myeongseong. She was the cause of the troubles that the Japanese had; hence, they assassinated her. Miura Goro and Inoue Kaoru made sure that the assassination was done, which led King Gojong to remain in solitude in Russia. Little did he know, Russia was only interested in recieving the land and spreading their influence which also led to the cold war.
One more clarification (sorry if I'm posting too much). Wa is a term deemed by the Chinese and it is the oldest recorded term of the Japanese people. It was written as 倭 (Chinese: Wo, Korean: Wae) and the Yamato people considered themselves the people of Wa until 8th century. The Japanese found fault in its term and replaced it with 和 meaning harmony or peace. People think that Wa meant barbaric, but it is actually the opposite. Wa means docile or dwarf people.
@YunSeung Your remarks are almost all bullshit. I have heard similar things again and again from Koreans, and I'm tired of it. Japan released Korean people from brutal brain-dead Korean rulers, confiscated farming lands of greedy landlords, gave away those to needy people, and built public schools all over the nation. In matters of changing name, most of Koreans adored Japanese, so they wanted to change their name into Japanese style. Then Japan allowed it.
@TheDesertFox2009 Hah, ok. I think I know what you were trying to say. My remarks are not Bullshit; it's just a different view of the evidence provided. My point was that the Korean government did have a potential economy boom in its early stages, but a lot of it faltered due to the complete annexation. If Japan stopped themselves from invading, Korea would've had the opportunity to modernize on its own. I'm not saying that Japan didn't build anything useful for Korea, I'm just saying a lot of
@TheDesertFox2009 the things that they did 'for Korea' was only in their own interests. They were not saints, they were war criminals. This was initially viewed first hand by the UN back when Japan was being tried for their war crimes. The western powers fully reviewed the crimes in 1949. I think it is personally wrong for many Koreans to think Japan is completely bad and only bad, but understand that it's merely historical baggage. Time will heal the wounded.
@TheDesertFox2009 In contrast, think about the Iraq war. Surely, if you think Japan is a saint amidst a tide of war, you must think Americans are equally good for "modernizing" the Middle East. Americans are building schools and all sorts of things for the Middle East... but at what cost? Not saying its the same situation, but it's similar in nature. One side claims that they are modernizing and the people love them, and the other side is saying that they're being killed. Who do you believe?
Your remarks are not different view based on the provided evidence but wrong view based on wrong information. Japan did not have a war over the annexation with Korea. Basically, the annexation was enforced peacefully under the consent of both nations and world's major countries, so it's quite different from the Iraq war. And the annexation was not accused as a war crime in IMTFE.
@BuffonMusa This is true that the Koreans were under the Chinese Empire during the Joseon era. The reunification was due to the Tang's help so Korea supposedly "owed something back" so a lot of the yangban viewed the Chung Nara (Chinese nation at the time) as superiors. Koreans lacked military status between the late 1800's and the early 1900's and relied heavily on traditional police forces, which lost their jobs because of the new skill army (gunmen) which arrived in the late 1800's.
@BuffonMusa Another thing to add; the Joseon military was going through many changes due to the abrupt modernization of its neighbors. Because of this, the new skill army (as I've mentioned before) was deployed in order to replace the traditional army. Because of this, the traditional army started a revolt against the min clan which lead to the beginnings of the Japanese, Russian, and Chinese influences because the Yangban class refused to go unheard.
@BuffonMusa There are no detailed documentations of Korean martial arts except the Muye Dobo Tongji which was written in 1790 under the Joseon period. There was a martial art culture, but it was strictly used only for governmental purposes so the peasants were incapable of obtaining such information. Nationalism wasn't formed until the aftermath of the annexation treaty which gained strength as time passed. This is why events such as the battle of Qingshanli and Donghak revolt has started.
@BuffonMusa Huh? No... The Muye Dobo Tongji was written under the vision of King Jeongjo to be an illustrated book of Korean arts (and some borrowed). It was a comprehensive book to document the arts which were learned and borrowed from other nations as a form of study book, not because archery was the only thing around;
With archery, a lot of soldiers used spears and had a sword as a secondary hand. But during the Joseon era, many of the swords were replaced with clubs.
@BuffonMusa mmmm, well you maybe talking about their introduction of the Imjin war; a lot of the people used archery primarily instead of close quarters combat. What successfully won the war was the Korean Navy, but they were worried that many of the soldiers would run away because they lack close quarter combat skills; so, they created the Muye Jebo in 1598. This also caused the better trained soldiers defeat the Japanese on land and push them out of the country to win the Imjin War.
@BuffonMusa Later, the Muye Shinbo was written, then it evolved into the Muye Dobo tongji, which was a collection of the known Korean martial arts. It was written into a comprehensive illustrative manual which main purpose was to be a guide. However, after King Jeongjo's rise to power in 1863, the Muye Dobo Tongji was almost rendered unopened and only practiced by very few royal court soldiers in secret.
@BuffonMusa The Joseon era of Korea lacks what the previous kingdoms used to have; a strong military basis and a warrior culture. Thanks to the influence of the Chinese Confucianism, many of the Yangban class discouraged violence and proceeded to go into a period of peace, art, and education. You're right when you say that there was no martial art culture during this time. However, martial arts were later converted into events such as Ssireum tournaments and Taekkyon competitions.
@BuffonMusa Of course, these were considered sports in the eyes of the public, so I guess you could say that these things are not considered "martial arts" in that sense. However, Korea does have some lineage of martial arts which lead to an earlier source, such as Karate-do's history leads to Chinese influence from the fusion of Quan-fa and the Ryukyuan art of Te.
@BuffonMusa There were no actual battles but the queen there were assassinations and an attempt to start a civil war between the peasants and the yangban class i.e. The Donghak Peasant Revolt. It was halted due to Japanese interference (or help) and another 'technical' war was started between the Japanese and Korean nationalists called the Battle of Qingshanli. There were battles in the aftermath.
@YunSeung Anyway, if you had read the documents I provided before without a bias, you would have agreed with the view that the modernization of Korea would have been delayed enormously without the annexation.
@TheDesertFox2009 Ah you're talking about the Eulsa Treaty and the annexation treaty. These treaties are considered null and void since it was done under threat. The annexation treaty was followed after the assassination of Empress Myeongseong and the first Sino-Japanese war. King Gojong and his followers objected the treaties through a letter that was signed by western powers such as Britain, France, and Russia. If you read about Japan's gunboat policy, you will understand why they signed it.
@TheDesertFox2009 I do agree that Korea's modernization would've have been as fast if it wasn't for the annexation, but I'm only arguing that they had the potential to modernize on their own. That is all I'm saying.
@TheDesertFox2009 I meant wouldn't have, not would've. I don't believe I've said anything about the rate of modernization. Again, I've only stated that they could've modernized 'on their own' without the annexation treaty nor the Eulsa treaty.
lower class and prevent any revolts against the ruling class, progress was halted. Hope my information will bring some clarity. If there are any questions about this era of history, I'll gladly do my research and bring any of you much insight. Please be aware that, despite being Korean, I do not hold any resentment against the Japanese; I only wish to bring clarity. I don't like the fact that Koreans and Japanese alike have been throwing fits about which nation is greater. I think its pointless.
believe that the Emperor, Hirohito, was the ruler of the Korean land and the fact that he refused to pray at the Shinto shrines cost him his education. It's unfortunate that this has happened... I don't know what to say about the Joseon empire, but I do know that the Confucianistic ideals of the yangban class is at fault for the weak economic status. There were some modernization attempts made, but thanks to the yangban class bringing in Chinese, Japanese and Russian military groups to quiet the
If it wasn't for the Japanese making an economic invasion into Korea, the country would never have reached its economic boom which has been made possible today... However, I do not agree that the modernization of Korea was the result of the annexation. A lot of the Koreans suffered discrimination and many had to change their Korean names into Japanese ones. My grandfather had to change his name at a young age in order to go to school. However, that was also short lived, since he did not agree to
@YunSeung you lied again.Choson`s ruling party,一進会(Isshinkai) promoted this annexation
Japanese govet didnt hope it.as you know,Korea was the poorest country. the annexation meant that Japan had to invest for the infrastructure maintenance.Japan didnt have any badget to annexed with Korea coz of
Taiwan`s management.but Japanese prime minister,Ito Hirobumi strongly opposed this annexation but
@AGKranranru Funny, "The ISSHINKAI was an informal group on Okinawa who were students of
Isshinryu Karate founder, Shimabuku Tatsuo. They would get together to
discuss the "old days" and their revered teacher." This is the only thing that came up about "Isshinkai". There was a party that did promote the annexation, but there was a party that also opposed it. They even commited suicide after the failure. Yi Jun is one example.
@AGKranranru "He was firmly against Korea falling into the hand of China and Russia, which would cause a grave threat to Japan's national security. However, he was actually against the annexation, instead advocating that Korea remain a protectorate. When the cabinet eventually voted to annex Korea, he insisted and obtained a delay, hoping that the decision of annexation could be reversed in the future." True, but he was also the Prime Minister and Resident General.
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LOL, Think Japan is really going down.. There was a time when Japan used to outclass S.Korea in many areas. Think those days are gone for good as Japanese blokes do masturbating only here at youtube out of total desperation..lol Since I used to support & respect Japan, you guys are such a disappointments..lol What happen to you Japs? You have all become a bunch of lying chickens..lol Maybe too frequent earth quake and nuclear disasters have been too much for you all..Poor Japs..What a pity!~LOL
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Korean govet confiscated his passport and he is still under house arrest.
thinkingtime56 1 month ago
Korean internet nazis are barking Korean socirty never forgive persons who tell the truth about
annexation.NEVER.
S.Korea worships ethnocentrism and toadyism.in short Koreans are true racists.
thinkingtime56 1 month ago
韓国で教わる歴史は劣等感から逃れるためのねつ造だからね。
まだまだ先進国の人たちとは精神構造に開きがあるようだ。
一見、同じ東アジア人で似通ったものの考えをできる人たちと考えがちだがそれは大違い。
韓国人を見るときはアフリカの土人を見るときと同じ視線で見ましょう。
kuhioave1 2 months ago
This guy is hire by Japan.
sichimura 3 months ago
@sichimura Japan has no need to hire such a no-name man because it's the mainstream theory in the world that Japan made a great contribution to the modernization of Korea.
TheDesertFox2009 3 months ago
fkn pro- japanese. please dont give a shit what he is saying. all he is saying is bullshit
hwany0911 3 months ago
also this person only wrote good words for Japan and had a negative view on Korea. Its weird if u think this guy learned correctful history.
qkyonp 4 months ago
i think korea has a freedom of speech, but i don't think Japan has it.
qkyonp 4 months ago
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@skyfiller12
You know you are showing how racist you are?
poodle8noodle 5 months ago
@skyfiller12 you should study History of Korea from Historical books published in foreign countries around Korea such as China, Japan, Russia, and US. Only from Korean history textbook you studied Korean History. So you never fail to insist you're right forever without any idea except it. Your Way of View always seems to be One.
stephan05es 6 months ago
Korea Govt love to arrest who has right view of history. there is No Freedom of speech, No Democracy. No Way to help citizens. they would live in their fabricated Fantasy. Anyway, its Problem that Distorted Confucianism makes korean think himself superior to Japanese with No Reason. Only Prejudice....so sad.
stephan05es 6 months ago
このkim氏は、冷静に客観的に当時の世界情勢を理解しながら朝鮮併合を評価している
まったく正しい歴史認識の人だと思える
しかし、韓国は、模造した歴史感と相反する意見の為、彼を批判し、抹殺しようとしている
やることが一昔前の、腐敗した朝鮮王朝の封建的思想弾圧とまったく同じやり方をしようとしている
韓国はまだ成熟した民主主義国家ではない
反日で無ければ韓国人として認められない国の風土
せっかく日本が封建社会の病巣を取り除いてやったのに
昔の朝鮮に戻ろうとしている
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shiaiii 8 months ago
@kf1618175 very funny
TheDesertFox2009 8 months ago
@kf1618175 I knew you were gonna say that. lol
TheDesertFox2009 8 months ago
@kf1618175 Oh yeah? But Japan in 17c had great pop culture artists such as Hiroshige, Hokusai and Sharaku who later became internationally famous. Only a rich citizen society can create rich pop cultures. Then what pop artists did RICH Korea in 17c have?
TheDesertFox2009 8 months ago
@kf1618175 Oh yeah? Then, why did not great poverty Korea attack Japan?
TheDesertFox2009 8 months ago
@kf1618175 Oh yeah? Then why did rich America at its golden days attack Viet Nam?
TheDesertFox2009 8 months ago
@kf1618175 Oh yeah? But Osama Bin Laden was very rich. Rich America attacked and robbed Holland-ruled Philippines. And Japan has not made any war against Korea since 1598. The annexation is not a war.
TheDesertFox2009 8 months ago
@kf1618175 I don't think that Japanese were welcomed all of Koreans those days. But it's a fact that great number of poor people welcomed Japanese rulers because their standard of living dramatically got improved. And Koreans have neither blood line of Shinto priest nor ability to maintain shrines. So probably Japanese had no choice but to pull out shrines.
TheDesertFox2009 8 months ago
@kf1618175 So what? There are even the peoples who were deprived of the land where they had been living for over 1000 years because of war defeat.
TheDesertFox2009 8 months ago
@kf1618175 Why is the withdrawal of the shrine related to being uninvited guests? I think the reason for the withdrawal was that Japanese didn't want Koreans to touch to a sacred thing. Anyway, your comments are inconsequent and hard to understand.
TheDesertFox2009 8 months ago
@kf1618175 You don't understand the weightiness of the defeat at the war.
TheDesertFox2009 8 months ago
@kf1618175 You seem to be a delusion maniac.
TheDesertFox2009 8 months ago
@kf1618175 the reason why Japan recognized the independence of Korea was unrelated to whether or not the annexation was legal. Japan had no choice about it because of its vulnerable position as a defeated nation at that time. In the first place war-worn Japan lacked the ability to hold the peninsula that was a front-line of the cold war those days.
TheDesertFox2009 8 months ago
@kf1618175 Are you sober? He is only talking about positive aspects of the annexation and not inflaming anti-U.S. sentiments. Why does talking about the annexation have to do with anti-Americanism?
TheDesertFox2009 8 months ago
@kf1618175 That's illogical. Kim's opinion contradicts not only South's official historical view but also North's. And Kim's view is more dangerous for North's regime than for South's.
TheDesertFox2009 8 months ago
Wow, I heard this guy was bribed by Japanese right wingers. LOL
Mayplestory1 8 months ago
@Mayplestory1 Japanese right wingers don't need to bribe such a non-name man. There are lots of eminent scholars who admit that the role played by Japan in the modernization of Korea was great all over the world. You can read "Offspring of Empire" for example.
TheDesertFox2009 8 months ago
@TheDesertFox2009 Yes only Japanese scholars. Not the historians. It is ONLY an excuse of Japanese cruel killing and raping and stealing.
Be proud of your country's glorious fucked up history.
Mayplestory1 8 months ago
@Mayplestory1 Please do google. The author of "Offspring of Empire" is an American scholar. And it's the established theory in the world except in Korea that Japan's colonial rule of Korea was quite beneficent.
TheDesertFox2009 8 months ago
@TheDesertFox2009 Please do google. ALL historians confirmed Illegal forge by japs on the last Emperor of Korea and Jap's killing the last Empress of Korea before annexation. Annexation was illegal. More than 100 jap scholars admitted and confirmed. One and only country people that are taught lies in school and thus brainwashed, that is Japanese.
Pathetic.
Mayplestory1 8 months ago
@Mayplestory1 The annexation was legal. It earned the international community's recognition at the time. And the last Queen of Korea was a crazy bitch who spent all national budget on fortune-telling and cracked down bitterly on reformist groups. So one of Korean reformist groups killed her. Though several Japanese supported the group they are not mastermind.
TheDesertFox2009 8 months ago
@TheDesertFox2009 Hey dumbass, historians clearly say annexation was ILLEGAL. Your fucked up ancestors FORGED SIGNATURE OF LAST EMPEROR OF KOREA, AND KILLED THE EMPRESS.
You killed many koreans, raped many korean women, and stole many korean treasures.
Is that why Japanese are proud of 3 things as their cultures?
1. samurai = killer
2. geisha= prostitutes
3. ninja = thieves.
Go figure. LMFAO. Don't reply any more, blind and deaf.
Mayplestory1 8 months ago 2
@Mayplestory1 Korean historians and Koreans are the only people in the world that insist the annexation was illegal. The annexation was wanted by Korean king and was quite beneficent for Koreans. Why don't you turn your eyes to the common sense in international society?
TheDesertFox2009 8 months ago
@TheDesertFox2009 Koreans AND historians are the only people who say annexation was ILLEGAL.
Japanese are the only people who say annexation was legal because they FORGED THE LAST KING OF KOREA'S SIGNATURE TO SIGN ON THE PAPER, AND they KILLED THE LAST EMPRESS.
Be proud!!!!!!
Mayplestory1 8 months ago
@Mayplestory1 In the first place why are you obsessed so madly about whether the annexation is legal or not? Who cares? It was the age of imperialism at that time so great powers robbed uncivilized nations without caring about whether it was legal or not. Of course the annexation was legal in International law so Japan was never accused of it by International community after WW2.
TheDesertFox2009 8 months ago
Wow!
There is a none liar Korean. I should change my recognition of Korean race.
The bad is not race, but Koreean racial supremacy education.
All Koreans are victims by their leaders.
Their leader Syngman Rhee and Kim Il-sung massacred millions Koreans after US and Soviet rule.
So their leaders are brainwashing Koreans to hate foreigners.
googogoo1 8 months ago
말로 못이기면 폭력으로 해결하려고하고
자신의 의견이 부정 당하면 욕질이나하고...
지금의 한국 시민 의식이 열등하다고 표현해도
알맞겠지... 뭐, 대다수가 다열질 한국인들이니...
ChousenShireibu 8 months ago
Kim Wan Sup is not historical specialist. He's just traitor and liar.
Land of Ancient of Korea (Kokurea, BAkjae, and Shinra, Corea) extended to part of china and part of Russia.
The upper boundary of Chosun was up to Gando (South part of Russia and small part of China).
For long time, ancient dynasties of Korea (Kokurea, Bakjae, and Shinra, Corea, and Chosun) transferred culture to Japan and taught them.
Japan needed the train line and telegraphic lines of Chosun to invade China.
2011wine 8 months ago
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kirkwind 8 months ago
@2011wine Kim Wan Sop majored in theoretical physics at Seoul National University and has high logical thinking power unusually for Koreans. Therefore he could find the the truth without getting swayed by his nationalistic emotion. Now almost Korean specialists of history can't find the truth because of the influence of their ethnic sentiment. Even if they could dig out the truth, they can't announce it because of Korean's public sentiment and the governmental pressure.
TheDesertFox2009 8 months ago
@2011wine And you know, ancient Korean peninsula was a multiracial area. Even once north part of the peninsula was a Chinese territory and south part of the peninsula was a Japanese territory. And there were lots of Chinese and Japanese living in Bakjae. Ancient Korean peninsula was not only a Korean's very own territory. Even if someone living in ancient peninsula made a contribution or something to Japan, you Koreans don't need to brag about it.
TheDesertFox2009 8 months ago
@2011wine He is the only one that nobody recognizes. I heard he got bribed by Japanese right wingers.
Japan teaches lies to their kids to avoid shame and guilt but the thing is THE HISTORICAL FACT does not go away. The fact is Japan killed 30 millions innocent asians and raped over 200,000 asian women and stole many national treasures. And out of shame, they say "We did this to modernize you" LMFFFFFFFFAO.
Those records are by historians and they call Japanese act as Asia's Holocaust.
Mayplestory1 8 months ago 2
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fuckkkkkkkkk lol You Neo Nazi Japs with your anti Korean propaganda shit on youtube makes me laugh. Do you really think that all the intelligent people all around the world all of a sudden after seeing this type of garbage will mass a different opinion against a certain group of people and take up arms or stop conducting business with the Koreans??? Morons here's a thought,
JAPAN=NEUTERED Nation.
Please continue bringing shame onto your nation!!! great job;)
MASTERNCS 8 months ago
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Hey! Fuckin Japs!
How much paid for him for making justification and do brainwash yourself?
How much? at least about 100,000,000 Yen? huh?
That guy is just a waste garbage in Korea. How much paid for the jerk?
Whatever you would try to propaganda to cover Japan's crimes in Asia. it can't be your self-sufficiency
And Korea already installed electric railroad train car in Soeul in 1898 that is 3years before in Japan than If a countries use electric facilities, than it makes developments.
sollongos 8 months ago
in short,
choson was almost bankrupt.
choson dynasty didnt care about citizens at all
Yangbans were just figting each other for their position
no political vigor, progress and revolution in choson dynasty
the govet was afraid of revolts of the farmer
AGKranranru 11 months ago
@AGKranranru I do not disagree with this part. The Joseon dynasty was going through many changes because of Taewonggun's influence to young Gojong's rule. Because of him, many foreign influences were rejected while Japan was far ahead in foreign trade. Because of this, Taewonggun led the country to become the "Hermit Kingdom". The Yangbans were indeed fighting but for influence in the kingdom's structure. It's kinda like Democrat and Republican.
YunSeung 11 months ago
@AGKranranru French priests were of course making a lot of commentary about the Korean policies since some of them were shot at while they were docking Korea's ports. The reason is because there were some artifacts stolen from their old tombs; Taewonggun took this very offensively and he decided to close the ports of Korea. Later in 1876, Kim Ki-su and Kim keong jip searched for a new policy amongst his countrymen, called the enlightenment policy. They were envoys to Japan which saw the great
YunSeung 11 months ago
@YunSeung Charles Dallet had never been to Korea.he just compiled reports
by french christians before the slaughte that choson had done in 1866. its true that Germany,Oppelt(not french priests) did rob a grave in 1868 as the revenge of chiristians slaughter. You are reversing the chronological order.in 1866,Taewongun slaughtered not only 9 westernes but even 8,000 korean.
so your explaine is wrong.in short,Dallet didnt wrote korea badly coz of the slaughter.
AGKranranru 11 months ago
@AGKranranru I have not cited Charles Dallet. You should cite the sources about Taewonggun's slaughter of 8,000 Koreans; otherwise I'll assume it's not a good judgment in your behalf.
YunSeung 11 months ago
@YunSeung i thought christian persecution in korea since 19 century was famous.
1866`s persecution is known as 丙寅教獄.
wiki :Korean Martyrs
Martyrs were the victims of religious persecution against the Catholic Church during the 19th century in Korea. At least 8,000 adherents to the faith were known to have been killed during this persecution, 103 of whom were canonized en masse in 1984
AGKranranru 11 months ago
@AGKranranru Yes, canonized and certainly "beatified" but I haven't heard about Taewonggun personally telling everyone to kill the priests and followers. I always learned that it was a result from the offensive remarks that the catholics said e.g. claiming that worshiping ancestors was "false idolatry". I'm sure that the locals who believed in the ancestors would've been pretty pissed. It wouldn't take Taewonggun's order to start beating a bunch of guys who offended the local religion.
YunSeung 11 months ago
@YunSeung Chinese christians,周文謨,黄嗣永 were killed by korean govet in1801
(its known as 辛酉教獄)
french priest and korean were killed in 1839.Dallet described this in Histoire de l'Église de Corée Volume 2
AGKranranru 11 months ago
@AGKranranru Hmmm... Alright. It's not exactly rare that catholic missionaries got killed in the Asiatic nations. Same did indeed happen in Japan and China so I'll assume that it's probable and likely.
YunSeung 11 months ago
@AGKranranru advancements in Japan, which led them to believe that Korea must have that same desire to advance as a whole. Unfortunately, The Donghak Revolution of 1894, the attempts of Taewonggun's influence on the Min clan, and the eventual assassination of Empress Myeongseong led to the downfall of the enlightenment policy. Korea wasn't "bankrupt" (in the views of the Japanese, it had to be in order to gain influence) It had corrupt Yangban leaders at the time since it became a tributary
YunSeung 11 months ago
@YunSeung Korean economy was messed up by Qeen Ming`s shamanism and the bad money called "当五銭" that Möllendorff cast.Impoverishment and corruption of local officials caused the revolt by Donghak
before the annexation,the average life expectancy of Koreans was 24-25 years.(崔基鎬 「韓国の堕落の2000年史」(youtube.com/watch?v=rk3-YzsugcY&feature=channel_video_title)
it is impossible to deny that Korea was bankrupt."
AGKranranru 11 months ago
@AGKranranru Queen Min you mean, which is also known as Empress Myeongseong. The "bad money" you're talking about is the currency reform that Mollendorf proposed in order to better the economy. Paul Georg von Mollendorf is not a bad character as most people peg him to be; He proposed better economical plans and independence of the Korean empire from the grips of the Qing empire which was Li HongZang's wish. (look him up in wiki)
YunSeung 11 months ago
@YunSeung as you said "Gojong didn't declare the Empire of Greater Korea until 1897",
Queen Ming wasnt empress.(emperor`s wife is empress).after Imo gullan,the Queen started a cult religion and exhausted the national treasury without bounds.so this german made a bad money called "当五銭".
this new currency was only the value of 1/5 of old one.he and Ming family(occupied all position of the govet)
lined their own pockets.last year,N.Korea did same thing.this caused the sudden rise of prices.
AGKranranru 11 months ago
@AGKranranru Uh, you keep saying Ming. It's Min. Ming is the family name of the Chinese before the Qing Dynasty, which lasted until the Manchu revolution in the 1600's. Min, is the name of the clan which Empress Myeongseong OR Queen Min, belonged in. She's rightfully called Empress Myeongseong as well as Queen Min in both Korean and English textbooks.
YunSeung 11 months ago
Although it was true that life expectancy of Koreans was 24 ish years for males and 26 years for females, it was mostly due to high taxation on the peasants. Bankruptcy is defined as a legal state where a person or an organization cannot pay its legal debts; which means that bankrupt is not the right term. Poor is a better term for the state that this country was in.
YunSeung 11 months ago
@YunSeung before the annexation :life expectancy of korean 24-25 years after the annexation :45 years(in 1942)before: population of korea 13 million (1910) after 25 million
"this was an economy invasion.50% of land was owned by japs.korean were exploited...."
The population has increased and life has been improved.
AGKranranru 11 months ago 4
@AGKranranru Like I said before, I don't deny that Japan has made improvements in Korean economy, but that's like saying a woman wants a child and a rapist gives her a child, so its all ok. Don't you see something incredibly wrong with that?
YunSeung 11 months ago
actually land that Government-General of Korea had owned was 4% of entire land and the govet took immigration policy and sold land that govet had got by landownership investigation to japanese but It was less than 10%(朝鮮土地調査事業 :조선 토지조사 사업)
Bruce Cumings"The Legacy of Japanese Colonial Empire”
日本の朝鮮経営は、インドを農業社会に退行させたイギリスとは対照的である。(일본의 조선 경영은, 식민지를 농업사회에 퇴행시킨 영국과는 대조적이다.일본이 조선의 농업생산 향상을 위해서 투자한 개발이나 관개 사업은, 다른 식민지에서는 찾을 수는 없다. 이것은 일본뿐만 아니라 식민지인 조선의 발전에도 대단히 도움이 되었다. )
AGKranranru 11 months ago
@AGKranranru Cuming's also says "Korea's march to modernity coincided with imperial aggression and colonial exploitation……But aggression and exploitation also coincided with fairly remarkable development and [learning...]Thus the Japanese set up a love-hate conflict that has gnawed at the Korean national identity ever since." Also, "[...] all industries were owned either by [Japanese] corporations or by Japanese corporations in Korea." Korea Under Japanese Rule, Library of Congress.
YunSeung 11 months ago
@YunSeung Korea was not able to send gold and silver of the amount that Qing had demanded in 18-19 century and in addition,after Imo gullan,korea agreed that he paid to ransom,50万円 to japan by 済物 浦 条約(제물포 조약)
Bringing tributes to China(Ming and Qing) was sort of contract.its legal debt.
so korea was almost bankrupt.
AGKranranru 11 months ago
@AGKranranru Yes, almost bankrupt would be a good wording. But Korea being completely bankrupt is false. Poor is a better word to use.
YunSeung 11 months ago
@AGKranranru state of the Qing empire. All of the major changes of Joseon had to be permissible by the Chinese (because of the Manchu invasion in the 1600's led by Huang Taiji) In short, the fall of the late Chinese empire led to the eventual fall of Joseon. Joseon, however, became the Greater Korean Empire (aka Daehan Jeguk) and the Chinese became the Empire of China. 1897, Emperor Gojong started improvements and modernizations of policies. Not even 7 years later, he was forced to sign a treaty
YunSeung 11 months ago
@YunSeung why korea was bankrupt?Korea had been a vassal state of Qing since 1636.
Korean kings had to do three kneelings and nine kowtows and send hundreds of beautiful women
and gold 100両 and silver 1000両.
after Japan-Sino war,Korea could be independent from Qin`s rule and Gojong could name the emperor.
Japan demanded him to restructure the country and one of reforms that Japan had requested was
the investigation of landownership.but Queen Ming opposed and emperor failded.
AGKranranru 11 months ago
@AGKranranru Korea was a tributary state to the Qing empire since the 1637 actually. Korea didn't become a tributary state until the second invasion of the Manchus. The first Sino-Japanese war was for the control of Korea and access to Korea's ports. Koreans at the time had a pro-Japanese party which led to the encouragement of Japan's help. Gojong didn't declare the Empire of Greater Korea until 1897, after the assassination of Myeongseong in 1895 plotted by Miura Goro. In 1896, Gojong and his
YunSeung 11 months ago
@AGKranranru son crowned prince Sunjong fled to Russia (Byong-Kuk Kim, "Assassination of Empress Myongsong," Korea Times, Dec. 28, 2001).
YunSeung 11 months ago
@AGKranranru handing over all assets to the Empire of Japan under the threat of the Japanese Gunboat policy, which was cited by US Commodore Matthew Perry. He states that it was initially a way to control trade between western countries and to prevent influence in their lands, but it didn't stop them from using it in other fashions.
Emperor Gojong even sent a letter to the western powers (UK, France, Austria-Hungary, Russia, Italy, Belgium, Germany) to help stop the Japanese from using unfair
YunSeung 11 months ago
@YunSeung this is wrong too.actually all countries refused the letter and appeal.we know that
3 koreans went to the Hague with king letter of attorney but recently according to Chosunilbo
(on July 8 2007), the peson in charge of Dutch national document said "there is no the record that three Korean showed emperor`s credentials in The Hague"
AGKranranru 11 months ago
@AGKranranru I have not stated that the countries signed the letter. I've only stated that Gojong merely sent a letter of help to the western powers including China.
YunSeung 11 months ago
on May in 1903,Russo imperial and manchurian馬賊(마적) invaded Pyeonganbuk-do.
russia proposed Japan to divided Korean peninsula. but as soon as Japan refused it,Russia declared rupture of diplomatic intercourse. korean declared neutrality?no.actually 50,000 korean joined in the war
and korean govet signed "日韓議定書" and when japan was getting victory,unfair korean govet declared unilaterally abandon of the treaty or agreement with Russia on May 18 in 1905
AGKranranru 11 months ago
@AGKranranru This is why it was important that Queen Min (as you dastardly imply that this is the only correct term for this person) was important in Korean history. If it wasn't for her, Japan would've gained influence in the Korean peninsula rapidly fast. After her death, that exact thing that she was preventing was happening right before everyone's eyes. There were rival clans that would've wanted the Japanese to come anyway.
YunSeung 11 months ago
at the same time,korean govet deprived russian campanies of the rights
as deforestation of forest and development of mine that they had got from korea.in short,
korea was doubletalk and toadyism.when russia was strong,korea flattered them.as soon as
rossia was defeated,korea stoled their rights.and insisted the treaty was invalid.
AGKranranru 11 months ago
@AGKranranru You say Korea as a whole country, but the whole reason why Russia was views so highly was, again, due to the Min clan. Without the Min clan's influence, Russia would've never gained influence, and Prussian Mollendorf would've never gained a seat in the royal court.
YunSeung 11 months ago
@AGKranranru policies against the country. The Eulsa treaty was later considered to be null and void by the agreement of Korea and Japan in 1965, signed by Etsusaboro Shiina, Shinichi Takasugi, Lee Dong Won, and Kim Dong Jo. In short, what I'm saying is that you're oversimplifying the situation by saying that Korea was just bankrupt and Japan saved them from economic devastation. The situation is much more complex that that of a simple statement.
YunSeung 11 months ago
you are wrong again.you should not fellow korea`s fanatical and natinalistic opinion.
tit doesnt mean that the Eulsa treaty itself was invalid and illegal from the beginning
in 1965,the Eulsa treaty was invalid.as a histrical fact,the appeal in Hague is refused.
sometimes fanatical korean wrigt wings say "that treaties were all invalid and illegal!."buit of course
its wrong.as korean president said in 2008,all problems have already been solved in 1965.
AGKranranru 11 months ago
@AGKranranru Uh no. This was agreed between Korean and Japanese delegates in the the United Nations General Assembly on December 12, 1948. I've already stated that the above signers: Etsusaboro Shiina, Shinichi Takasugi, Lee Dong Won, and Kim Dong Jo, have agreed that the Eulsa treaty was considered null and void because it was an unfair treaty between the two countries, granting greater power for Japanese influence. The treaty also quotes
YunSeung 11 months ago
@YunSeung let me correct it.
×the Eulsa treaty was invalid in 1965
○the Eulsa treaty has been already null since 1948.
so you are also wrong.the treaty itself isn`t null.i dont know if you deleted a word,"already" intentionally.
in 1948,Republic of Korea was approved by UN General Assembly Resolution 195.
the Eulsa treaty has been "ALREADY" null since this moment,in short 1948.
AGKranranru 11 months ago
Article II
It is confirmed that all treaties or agreements concluded between the Empire of Japan and the Empire of Korea on or before August 22, 1910 are "ALREADY" null and void.
till 1948,many govets had existed,DPRK,ROK and Daehan-minguk imsi jeongbu.the Eulsa treaty in 1905 has been valid but U.N approved ROK as Choson Dynasty`s right successor.therefore,the Eulsa treaty
are "ALREADY" null and void.
if no "already,it means that all agreements before 1910 are null and void.
AGKranranru 11 months ago
this treaty,"Treaty on Basic Relations between Japan and the Republic of Korea" was agreed between
Japan and Republic of Korea.not Choson dynasty.언제부터 「이미」 무효이었는가라고 문제되면, 1948년부터입니다. coz the Eulsa treaty was agreed between Japan and Choson.not ROK.
ROK didn`t exist before 1948.(existed but United Nations did not approve formally as the only government.)
according to your wrong interpretation,it means that the annexation itself was null and void.if so,s.korea has to return everything to japan.
AGKranranru 11 months ago
@AGKranranru That's a fallacious interpretation of technicality. Just because a country was named a different country before, does not render it as a different country; It's just a different name. Korea went through several changes; After the Samhan states, it was once called Goryeo, and even unified Silla. After the falls of these systems, It was named Joseon as a tribute to the original Gojoseon state. Joseon literally became The Greater Empire of Korea to DPRK and ROK in a matter of 50 years.
YunSeung 11 months ago
@AGKranranru Return everything to Japan? Return exactly what? All the education and great systems? Well in that case, Korea should also give back the rape, murder, and unjust taxation on the citizens too?
YunSeung 11 months ago
@AGKranranru lol I'm sure you know what I meant but let me clarify this: The Eulsa treaty was indeed signed back in the 1900's but the new treaty says that the Eulsa treaty was an unfair and unjust treaty, therefore it was already null and void to begin with (this was the new treaty's argument). If you want to be TECHNICAL about it, the Eulsa treaty technically became null and void in 1948 via the UN committee and the joint signing between Korean and Japanese Delegates. Fair?
YunSeung 11 months ago
@AGKranranru "DONE in duplicate at Tokyo, this twenty-second day of June of the year one thousand nine hundred and sixty-five in the Japanese, Korean, and English languages, each text being equally authentic. In case of any divergence of interpretation, the English text shall prevail."
YunSeung 11 months ago
i didnt oversimplify but its a fact korean economy was messed up.young yangban stand up against old system and tried to reform but the indecisive emperor and a cruel queen obstructed all the reforms.
and a reliigion group revolted with poor farmers and slaves against govet.
at first this group was anti-japan but later cooperated with japan and defeated choson dynasty.
AGKranranru 11 months ago
Korea was not able to modernize for himeself. and in the end,the partner whom the reformist had chosen was Japan.and Japan also thought that the border from Korea to Manchuria was the defense lines.
this was the annexation
AGKranranru 11 months ago
@AGKranranru Another fallacious argument. Korea was on its way to modernization after the Enlightenment party gained influence after visiting Japan. If not this party, the Donghak Peasant revolution could have started an industrial revolution. Look at the French; their country has modernized so quickly because they killed their king themselves. In the same way, if left alone, Korea would've gotten its own revolution. The Japanese killed many of the participants of the Donghak revolt.
YunSeung 11 months ago
*by the way,qeen Ming didn`t become "empress".its wrong you call her "empress"
in 2001,korean tv made her drama but its wrong from the title.
i`m sorry that even now many korean believe that she was a great empress or what by wrong education.
actually 3 korean killed her but according to korean,japs killed and raped her body....lol
AGKranranru 11 months ago
Claude Charles Dallet(1829-78) French priest
Histoire de L'Eglise de Corée(1874)
一般に政治的活気とか進歩、革命といわれるものは、朝鮮には存在しない。人民は無視され、彼らのいかなる意見も許されない。権力を握る貴族が関心を向けることは、ただ人民を抑圧してできるだけ多くの富を搾り取ろうとするときだけである。朝鮮のここ３世紀の期間は、ただ貴族たちの血なまぐさい不毛の争いの単調な歴史でしかない。
(일반적으로 정치적 활기라든지 진보, 혁명이라고 하는 것은, 조선에는 존재하지 않는다. 인민은 무시되어 그들의 어떠한 의견도 용서되지 않는다. 권력을 잡는 귀족이 관심을 향하는 것은, 단지 인민을 억압해 가능한 한 많은 부를 짜 취하려고 할 때 뿐이다. 조선의 최근 3 세기의 기간은, 단지 귀족들의 참혹한 불모의 분쟁이라고 하는 단조로운 역사에 지나지 않는다.)
AGKranranru 11 months ago
Gregory Henderson Korea : the Politics of the Vortex (1966)
(my ver is written in japanese)
「１８７０年頃の李朝はほとんど経済的破産と崩壊の寸前だった。すでに軍事力はほとんどなく、政権の分裂と内紛で行政はほとんど麻痺状態となり、慢性的な百姓一揆の機運に脅かされていた。」
（조선은 거의 경제적 파산과 붕괴의 직전였다. 벌써 군사력은 거의 없고, 정권의 분열과 내분으로 행정은 거의 마비 상태가 되어, 만성적인 농민 폭동의 기운에 위협해지고 있었다)
its difficult to consider that japan invaded this country for economy
AGKranranru 11 months ago
@AGKranranru Actually, it's pretty easy to consider. "Korean entrepreneurs were charged interest rates 25 percent higher than their Japanese counterparts [...]. More and more farmland was taken over by the Japanese, and an increasing proportion of Korean farmers either became sharecroppers or migrated to Japan or Manchuria as laborers. As greater quantities of Korean rice were exported to Japan, [...] consumption of rice among the Koreans declined" Korea Under Japanese Rule, Library of Congress
YunSeung 11 months ago
all korean could own their lands by japanese investigation.
korean farmers were released from land and could become a wageworker in cities and got the freedom to choose their occupation.
this was the important event as a shift from uncivilized centralization to
capitalism.
AGKranranru 11 months ago
@AGKranranru You forget that Japan was under Imperial rule. Japan was far from capitalism.
YunSeung 11 months ago
as a fact,there was no proprietary rights under choson dynasty.
The choson govet gave the cultivation right(only some chosen Yangban could own the land and sell it only in 科田,department rice field.)
of course,choson was the society of slave system so 백정 couldn`t have their own
land.
AGKranranru 11 months ago
@AGKranranru The Korean slave system was only resulted from birthright. If you were a son of a concubine, chances were that you would be a slave. The Baekjung system you're indicating is not a slave system, but a system of peasantry. The Baekjung roughly translates to "the untouchables" (白丁) and they themselves could not own land. Farmers were not categorized as Baekjung people; Baekjung people were strictly concubines, entertainers, and musicians. They're similar to Burakumin or the Dalits.
YunSeung 11 months ago
AGKranranru 11 months ago
@AGKranranru That only means that the farmers were Korean. That does not prove that Koreans owned the farms.
YunSeung 11 months ago
lol and so who got bombed the crap out of?
williamjeon 1 year ago
Well, when I was younger, my parents made clear that they weren't too fond of the Japanese (even though we'd eat Japanese food and I'd watch Pokemon and what not) but these days, everyone has been more exposed to Japanese culture and music (with X Japan's huge success in North America)...
only the older generations partially fuel the hate towards them still. Us new generation don't care much even though the Japanese never apologized for what they did.
williamjeon 1 year ago
poor guy...all this ego masturbation must stop. koreans are unique. no need to koreate history or anything. they have many things to be proud of. no need to uriginalize other cultures' things. fact is everybody does this but the koreans take this to a whole new level. shame on their right wing government. both countries being ran by thugs. they will take us to the brink of a new world war..,
richardhaw 1 year ago
@richardhaw Well, it doesn't help that we had a ban on Japanese products an culture which lasted until the 90's. Right now, a lot of changes has been made and many researchers are making attempts to excavate the old tombs for more information about their culture. The "uriginalization" is dwindling fast so you don't need to worry.
YunSeung 1 year ago
After 1945, Koreans denied Japanese culture but they wanted to keep their favorite Japanese culture like Kendo, Judo, Samurai etc.
So they decided to Koreanize them like Kendo to Kumdo, Judo to Yudo, Samurai to Hwarang, and claimed the origins.
Though the Hwarang myth was created during Korean war.
The word Uriginal(Uri+Original) was born from the behavior.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa K, well that argument is not entirely true. Kumdo is merely a pronunciation of 剣道, which is pronounced Kendo in Japan. Kendo only means "way of sword" so you can't exactly say Koreans took it and made it theirs. There are different kinds of sword schools so you may hear names like Haedong Gumsool or Shippalgi Gumbup (Gum or Geom means sword btw). The art you're talking about is Daehan Geomdo (Gekiken), which is the art that the Japanese introduced to Korea back in 1896.
YunSeung 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa Judo, in Korean, would mean alcohol art so it wouldn't make sense to call it judo. The term yudo is, again, a pronunciation of the chinese characters 柔道. I have never met a Korean who claims yudo or judo is inherently Korean. They know its Japanese. Samurai is Samurai, Hwarang is Hwarang. They aren't interchangeable. The Hwarang was talked about in both the Samguk Yusa and Samguk Sagi (one of the famous ones being Kim Yushin) So you can't claim that.
YunSeung 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa What you're talking about is actually the Samurang which were the great warriors that were the precursor to the Samurai. This is what people of the Haidong Gumdo Federation claims but I think its obvious that it's a fabrication. The fabrication of the Hwarang myth is actually derived from the Hwarang-do Federation which made the Hwarang mirror the Samurai-like features; when in reality, they are entirely different warriors.
YunSeung 1 year ago
@YunSeung
Yes, Samurang didn't exist.
It's a fantasy created recently.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa You have to understand that a lot of the so called "uri-ginal" changes were caused by the governmental ban on Japanese culture and products immediately after the the end of the annexation. So, the people who did learn martial arts had to change their martial art history; how else can you do it other than using fabricated stories? Instead of promoting Korean arts, they masked their Japanese art as Korean and spread it through out the country. That's why you will meet some people who
YunSeung 1 year ago
@YunSeung
>caused by the governmental ban on Japanese culture
It's 21 century but still Uriginal is going on and new Uriginal has been creating.
Chosonninja is living in America, America do not ban Japanese culture but he does Uriginal.
So it's purely Korean mental problem.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa Chosonninja, I think, is a special case. He claims many things without research and believes wholly in his "master with no name". He is actually the result of the previous generation of Koreans, which were taught that the Japanese are bad people, Japanese people steal etc. His generation, I think, is from the generation that hates the Japanese the most. My generation on the other hand, does not believe this. If you ask any Korean in their early 20's you'll find that most of them
YunSeung 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa Do not actually believe that things like Samurai and things like Katana are from Korea. They believe that those are Japanese things because media tells us that those things are from japan and no where else. Even Hapkido instructors will tell you that their art is Korean, but it is a mixture of different martial arts together. My parents even agree on that. The "Uri-ginal" culture you speak of, is a very small amount of people that you may see on the net from time to time.
YunSeung 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa If you have a problem with them, then go fight with them. However, don't assume that every Korean will be this way. We may have our flaws just as well as everyone else on the planet. But to think that we're especially fucked up is nothing but bigotry and racism. We have our fair share of liars just as well as many others. I would think that you could only claim the "uriginalists" as bad people if you've never lied in your life. Not even a white lie.
Cheers.
YunSeung 1 year ago
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YunSeung 1 year ago
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@BuffonMusa think that Japanese arts like Kendo and warriors like the Samurai are a direct result of Korean influence. However, we may share a gene pool. If you look at the Kofun era and the artifacts of the Keyhole tombs in Japan, you can see why.
YunSeung 1 year ago
Koreans got into martial arts was Japanese effection.
Korean author Ha Gun Chun said the first movie he watched was Samurai movie during the Japanese occupation and he said the sword art(chanbara) was unforgettable.
And his favorite books were 47 Ronin, Kirigakure Saizo, and Miyamoto Musashi.
I'm sure there were many kids like him.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
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YunSeung 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa Yea that's true. Many people did like the byproducts of the Korea-Japan annexation. There were cartoons, toys, card games like hwatu and food that the Japanese brought over. If there are cool stories about warriors in the past, yes, there will be people who like him. That's why names like Miyamoto Musashi and movies like Kurosawa Akira's Seven Samurai have gained so much popularity.
YunSeung 1 year ago
If Korea was strong enough to prevent Russian expansion, Japan didn't have to annex Korea.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa Russia was welcomed into the country to prevent the Japanese economic invasion by Queen Myeongseong. She was the cause of the troubles that the Japanese had; hence, they assassinated her. Miura Goro and Inoue Kaoru made sure that the assassination was done, which led King Gojong to remain in solitude in Russia. Little did he know, Russia was only interested in recieving the land and spreading their influence which also led to the cold war.
YunSeung 1 year ago
One more clarification (sorry if I'm posting too much). Wa is a term deemed by the Chinese and it is the oldest recorded term of the Japanese people. It was written as 倭 (Chinese: Wo, Korean: Wae) and the Yamato people considered themselves the people of Wa until 8th century. The Japanese found fault in its term and replaced it with 和 meaning harmony or peace. People think that Wa meant barbaric, but it is actually the opposite. Wa means docile or dwarf people.
YunSeung 1 year ago
@YunSeung Your remarks are almost all bullshit. I have heard similar things again and again from Koreans, and I'm tired of it. Japan released Korean people from brutal brain-dead Korean rulers, confiscated farming lands of greedy landlords, gave away those to needy people, and built public schools all over the nation. In matters of changing name, most of Koreans adored Japanese, so they wanted to change their name into Japanese style. Then Japan allowed it.
TheDesertFox2009 1 year ago
@TheDesertFox2009 Give me some documentation. I'm only going off of research. If you can cite your info then I'll believe you.
YunSeung 1 year ago
@YunSeung I sent you some links. I wish you success in your research.
TheDesertFox2009 1 year ago
@TheDesertFox2009 Haha, success is not the key here. Research is just research.
YunSeung 1 year ago
@TheDesertFox2009 Hah, ok. I think I know what you were trying to say. My remarks are not Bullshit; it's just a different view of the evidence provided. My point was that the Korean government did have a potential economy boom in its early stages, but a lot of it faltered due to the complete annexation. If Japan stopped themselves from invading, Korea would've had the opportunity to modernize on its own. I'm not saying that Japan didn't build anything useful for Korea, I'm just saying a lot of
YunSeung 1 year ago
@TheDesertFox2009 the things that they did 'for Korea' was only in their own interests. They were not saints, they were war criminals. This was initially viewed first hand by the UN back when Japan was being tried for their war crimes. The western powers fully reviewed the crimes in 1949. I think it is personally wrong for many Koreans to think Japan is completely bad and only bad, but understand that it's merely historical baggage. Time will heal the wounded.
YunSeung 1 year ago
@TheDesertFox2009 In contrast, think about the Iraq war. Surely, if you think Japan is a saint amidst a tide of war, you must think Americans are equally good for "modernizing" the Middle East. Americans are building schools and all sorts of things for the Middle East... but at what cost? Not saying its the same situation, but it's similar in nature. One side claims that they are modernizing and the people love them, and the other side is saying that they're being killed. Who do you believe?
YunSeung 1 year ago
@YunSeung
Your remarks are not different view based on the provided evidence but wrong view based on wrong information. Japan did not have a war over the annexation with Korea. Basically, the annexation was enforced peacefully under the consent of both nations and world's major countries, so it's quite different from the Iraq war. And the annexation was not accused as a war crime in IMTFE.
TheDesertFox2009 1 year ago
@TheDesertFox2009
Right.
Korea was given to Japan from China as the result of Sino-Japan war.
Unlike Imjin war, there was no battle between Japan and Korea.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
Korea was under Chinese Empire for a long time.
They didn't have strong military, no martial art culture, no nationalism.
It is because of the long time Sadaejuui(Flunkeyism), they depended on master country.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa This is true that the Koreans were under the Chinese Empire during the Joseon era. The reunification was due to the Tang's help so Korea supposedly "owed something back" so a lot of the yangban viewed the Chung Nara (Chinese nation at the time) as superiors. Koreans lacked military status between the late 1800's and the early 1900's and relied heavily on traditional police forces, which lost their jobs because of the new skill army (gunmen) which arrived in the late 1800's.
YunSeung 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa Another thing to add; the Joseon military was going through many changes due to the abrupt modernization of its neighbors. Because of this, the new skill army (as I've mentioned before) was deployed in order to replace the traditional army. Because of this, the traditional army started a revolt against the min clan which lead to the beginnings of the Japanese, Russian, and Chinese influences because the Yangban class refused to go unheard.
YunSeung 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa There are no detailed documentations of Korean martial arts except the Muye Dobo Tongji which was written in 1790 under the Joseon period. There was a martial art culture, but it was strictly used only for governmental purposes so the peasants were incapable of obtaining such information. Nationalism wasn't formed until the aftermath of the annexation treaty which gained strength as time passed. This is why events such as the battle of Qingshanli and Donghak revolt has started.
YunSeung 1 year ago
@YunSeung
On the introduction of Muye Dobo Tongji stated that there's no martial arts but archery in korea.
That is why Muye Dobo Tongji was written.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa Huh? No... The Muye Dobo Tongji was written under the vision of King Jeongjo to be an illustrated book of Korean arts (and some borrowed). It was a comprehensive book to document the arts which were learned and borrowed from other nations as a form of study book, not because archery was the only thing around;
With archery, a lot of soldiers used spears and had a sword as a secondary hand. But during the Joseon era, many of the swords were replaced with clubs.
YunSeung 1 year ago
@YunSeung
The introduction of Muye Dobo Tongj describes Korea had only archery.
That is why the author decided to write the manual of other arts.
But it didn't really spread nation wide since Korea was under Yangba rule.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa mmmm, well you maybe talking about their introduction of the Imjin war; a lot of the people used archery primarily instead of close quarters combat. What successfully won the war was the Korean Navy, but they were worried that many of the soldiers would run away because they lack close quarter combat skills; so, they created the Muye Jebo in 1598. This also caused the better trained soldiers defeat the Japanese on land and push them out of the country to win the Imjin War.
YunSeung 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa Later, the Muye Shinbo was written, then it evolved into the Muye Dobo tongji, which was a collection of the known Korean martial arts. It was written into a comprehensive illustrative manual which main purpose was to be a guide. However, after King Jeongjo's rise to power in 1863, the Muye Dobo Tongji was almost rendered unopened and only practiced by very few royal court soldiers in secret.
YunSeung 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa The Joseon era of Korea lacks what the previous kingdoms used to have; a strong military basis and a warrior culture. Thanks to the influence of the Chinese Confucianism, many of the Yangban class discouraged violence and proceeded to go into a period of peace, art, and education. You're right when you say that there was no martial art culture during this time. However, martial arts were later converted into events such as Ssireum tournaments and Taekkyon competitions.
YunSeung 1 year ago
@YunSeung
>many of the Yangban class discouraged violence and proceeded to go into a period of peace, art, and education.
Agreed.
Koreans find values in those things.
That's why martial arts weren't favored even after Muye Dobo Tongji was written.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa Of course, these were considered sports in the eyes of the public, so I guess you could say that these things are not considered "martial arts" in that sense. However, Korea does have some lineage of martial arts which lead to an earlier source, such as Karate-do's history leads to Chinese influence from the fusion of Quan-fa and the Ryukyuan art of Te.
YunSeung 1 year ago
@YunSeung
karate is modern stuff.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa It's not that modern. Karate is fairly old now.
YunSeung 1 year ago
@YunSeung
Japanese consider after meiji restoration is fairly new.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa There were no actual battles but the queen there were assassinations and an attempt to start a civil war between the peasants and the yangban class i.e. The Donghak Peasant Revolt. It was halted due to Japanese interference (or help) and another 'technical' war was started between the Japanese and Korean nationalists called the Battle of Qingshanli. There were battles in the aftermath.
YunSeung 1 year ago
@YunSeung Anyway, if you had read the documents I provided before without a bias, you would have agreed with the view that the modernization of Korea would have been delayed enormously without the annexation.
TheDesertFox2009 1 year ago
@TheDesertFox2009 Ah you're talking about the Eulsa Treaty and the annexation treaty. These treaties are considered null and void since it was done under threat. The annexation treaty was followed after the assassination of Empress Myeongseong and the first Sino-Japanese war. King Gojong and his followers objected the treaties through a letter that was signed by western powers such as Britain, France, and Russia. If you read about Japan's gunboat policy, you will understand why they signed it.
YunSeung 1 year ago
@TheDesertFox2009 I do agree that Korea's modernization would've have been as fast if it wasn't for the annexation, but I'm only arguing that they had the potential to modernize on their own. That is all I'm saying.
YunSeung 1 year ago
@TheDesertFox2009 I meant wouldn't have, not would've. I don't believe I've said anything about the rate of modernization. Again, I've only stated that they could've modernized 'on their own' without the annexation treaty nor the Eulsa treaty.
YunSeung 1 year ago
lower class and prevent any revolts against the ruling class, progress was halted. Hope my information will bring some clarity. If there are any questions about this era of history, I'll gladly do my research and bring any of you much insight. Please be aware that, despite being Korean, I do not hold any resentment against the Japanese; I only wish to bring clarity. I don't like the fact that Koreans and Japanese alike have been throwing fits about which nation is greater. I think its pointless.
YunSeung 1 year ago
believe that the Emperor, Hirohito, was the ruler of the Korean land and the fact that he refused to pray at the Shinto shrines cost him his education. It's unfortunate that this has happened... I don't know what to say about the Joseon empire, but I do know that the Confucianistic ideals of the yangban class is at fault for the weak economic status. There were some modernization attempts made, but thanks to the yangban class bringing in Chinese, Japanese and Russian military groups to quiet the
YunSeung 1 year ago
If it wasn't for the Japanese making an economic invasion into Korea, the country would never have reached its economic boom which has been made possible today... However, I do not agree that the modernization of Korea was the result of the annexation. A lot of the Koreans suffered discrimination and many had to change their Korean names into Japanese ones. My grandfather had to change his name at a young age in order to go to school. However, that was also short lived, since he did not agree to
YunSeung 1 year ago
@YunSeung you lied again.Choson`s ruling party,一進会(Isshinkai) promoted this annexation
Japanese govet didnt hope it.as you know,Korea was the poorest country. the annexation meant that Japan had to invest for the infrastructure maintenance.Japan didnt have any badget to annexed with Korea coz of
Taiwan`s management.but Japanese prime minister,Ito Hirobumi strongly opposed this annexation but
a ignorant terrorist killed him.
AGKranranru 1 year ago
@AGKranranru Funny, "The ISSHINKAI was an informal group on Okinawa who were students of
Isshinryu Karate founder, Shimabuku Tatsuo. They would get together to
discuss the "old days" and their revered teacher." This is the only thing that came up about "Isshinkai". There was a party that did promote the annexation, but there was a party that also opposed it. They even commited suicide after the failure. Yi Jun is one example.
YunSeung 11 months ago
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@AGKranranru "He was firmly against Korea falling into the hand of China and Russia, which would cause a grave threat to Japan's national security. However, he was actually against the annexation, instead advocating that Korea remain a protectorate. When the cabinet eventually voted to annex Korea, he insisted and obtained a delay, hoping that the decision of annexation could be reversed in the future." True, but he was also the Prime Minister and Resident General.
YunSeung 11 months ago 3