NBC's Education Nation Summit: Joe Trippi, Michelle Rhee, & More

[CyberSpaceman81]

The legacy of these unions is a growing record of drop outs, while covering their ass on tenure tied to collective bargaining rights. Randi Weingarten even spoke of wanting teachers unions to "self" police themselves. This is while even fellow Liberal started successful charter programs are protested by them to be shut down. I am glad some Liberals have woken up on this, but i hope we educate better again to send people to personal private sector successes, not to "created" collectivist jobs.

[ionrocket]

:25 nbc truck

[anarchylogic]

I wonder if a movement to put web cameras in ALL public school class rooms AND in the admin offices of ALL taxpayer funded schools, would go over good. Lets let the parrents go to schoollive dot gov and watch live feed of what is being taught to our kids as it happens.

I bet the unions would cry foul and screem about privacy. Lets put web cameras in ALL tax payer funded buildings and offices wile we're at it. If they want them on every corner why not in their offices for us to see.

[TrishtheDishNY]

@anarchylogic good idea. time the tables were turned. i'm sick of being watched at every corner by security cameras when i haven't done anything wrong.

[onceuponamidnightdry]

Government, NFT and NEA run schools are a complete and utter failure.

Can it be that even the Leftists are waking up to this fact? I doubt it. What is their real agenda?

[TrishtheDishNY]

@onceuponamidnightdry i believe that endoctrination is their real agenda. 

[0cyris]

I'd suggest watching "War on Kids", it really shows some the major failings of the public school system as a whole.

[blogegog]

Sorry for poking fun, as I actually do approve of reforming schools, but wouldn't have been hilarious if Sarah Elizabeth Ippel's middle name ended with the letter 'N'?

Yes. Yes it would :).

[blogegog]

I don't really see the point of this. Kids are stupid. Let's just deal with it. Heck, my son thinks that a magical fairy gives him money for his baby teeth. You can't overcome such a lack of intelligence. You've just got to love the little idiots.

[luciendelapeste]

Socialists want the poor and ignorant to remain poor and ignorant.

Why?

If they were prosperous and educated, who would vote for the socialists?

[TrishtheDishNY]

@luciendelapeste or even worse for socialists, if the poor and ignorant weren't as such, they might overcome the socialists.

[xp19375]

We need a private education system. To transition, we could have tuition subsidies for those who can't afford it any other way, letting those who can pay do so. It will cost less because that's money you are not paying in taxes and you have real competition.

[asphyxiafeeling]

Stuff like this is why I believe Morning Joe is the *ONLY* credible show on MSNBC. Whenever they do a piece on education I am impressed!

[dayvidiot]

fish school.....people learn

[lirg123]

*nod nod* good pay + poor skill = Doomsday

[CurtHowland]

John Taylor Gatto.

Homeschool, unschool.

Take your children BACK from the clutches of the STATE!

[no2party]

Democrats and Republicans have made this education system like Windows. Just more crap piled on the old until its no where near as good or efficient as before. If you want a solution the education system should be treated a lot like Linux: open source base model with additional information thrown in voluntarily.

[tsummerlee]

Education + Government = Disaster

[CurtHowland]

The only option that will truly empower parents and students is a COMPLETE separation of school and state.

No more tax funding what so ever.

[Esus4]

@CurtHowland That is truly brilliant. We can have schools completely privately funded. Poor people certainly have absolutely no need to educate their children. Yes, I believe you are the most astute commenter on the subject of education.

[CurtHowland]

@Esus4 "Poor people certainly have absolutely no need to educate their children."

How's that working out for you, by the way?

Those inner-city "poor" schools with the 50% drop out rates, and graduates who can't read or do basic math?

Seriously, I recommend you do some research on the topic. How about the poorest of the poor, in India? The ones who founded their own private schools because the state schools suck so bad.

research. ncl. ac. uk/egwest/articles/Tooley Dixon articles/Delhi. pdf

[Esus4]

@CurtHowland The status of education in India is not really the question at hand. The real issue is educating the chronically undereducated. Separating the more highly motivated students from the less so will only lower the remaining exectations of the left behinds.

[CurtHowland]

@Esus4 "The real issue is educating the chronically undereducated."

Education, not schooling, does not cost very much. You, and I, and other interested people will contribute to efforts to bring education to those who need it.

Schooling, in comparison, is hideously expensive. Yet you still talk about "chronically undereducated" and "the left behinds" as if those sorts of things are happening today.

They are happening, even with govt schooling, because schooling has nothing to do with education.

[1092jniufvhorh]

@CurtHowland Who will pay for everyone's education then? Every school should get state funding, but not every school should get the same amount perhaps...

Funding should correspond to observable progress (NOT test results, though...)

[CurtHowland]

@1092jniufvhorh "Who will pay for everyone's education then?"

Education is very inexpensive. It takes only a couple hours a day for a few months to teach someone to read, and then they can learn anything.

"Every school should get state funding"

Before you start spending everyone else's money on "school", maybe you should take some time and find out the difference between "school" and "education".

They are not the same thing.

[saper321]

Ask Obama if he is for school choice. If that maggot says 'yes' ask him why he fought all his life against school choice.

[yougiberishtube]

thumbs up

[bradwatson7324]

To all people, but especially to those sad because their number was not randomly drawn: Educate yourself! It is possible, you know?

[rdhayes06]

Reason constantly delivers, thank you.

[Wormtail81]

1:48 turned this into one of my favorites : )

[MooseOfReason]

Thank you, Chris Christie.

[silentthriller]

That Mika Brzezinski has got some terrific legs. OMG!

[Illumified]

Finally ppl are waking up to at least this one area were teachers unions have at minimum been complicate in the destruction of education, they have to acknowledge it because we dump butt loads of cash into it and our children are still so poorly educated. maybe soon ppl will realize how destructive this has been to every other industry their involved in, from steel to automotive to even our governments budget problems

[bradwatson7324]

@Illumified 1. Were should be where. 2. Complicate should be complicit 3. A period after the word education would be nice. 4. Capitalize the first letter of the word maybe because it starts a new sentence. 5. Their should be they're (a contraction of they are). 6. An apostrophe is needed either before or after the s in governments, depending on what you're trying to say. 7. Problems needs a period after it because it's the end of a sentence.

[Illumified]

@bradwatson7324 lol nice but of course, i dont care, you got the idea but didnt like it, but instead of disagreeing with it you went grammar nazi, which is fine, but of course the other thing you may have missed, or ignored, is that posts are allowed only a certain amount of characters so in order to present the totality of ideas I wanted in 1 post I had to make some sacrifices, so I started with a few commas and periods and worked my way up to a few syllables andwordsjustlikeIdidhere,getov­erit!

[anarchylogic]

@Illumified  nice uber pwnage of bradwatson7324, lol <---No period either

[bradwatson7324]

@Illumified Normally, I wouldn't have cared or bothered. However, since you were commenting on a video dealing with schools and the state of American education, I couldn't resist.

[luciendelapeste]

@Illumified Reductio ad Hitlerium, the time-honoured response of the guy who's lost the argument.

[Illumified]

@luciendelapeste lol I wasnt calling the guy a nazi but a grammer nazi, its just a turn of phrase, intended to point out the fact that the guy didnt bother with my actual ideas but instead my punctuation, which youll have to forgive since im not to terribly worried about it here on utube. 2ndly how could i have lost the argument if there was never any argument made against the ideas i was expressing but instead against the way they were expressed, its a non sequitur

[anarchylogic]

@bradwatson7324 Grammatical correction is not synonymous with a sound argument. I would rather have a class room of students that had a sound thought and two active brain cells of some form rubbing together and causing sparks, then to have a room full of well spoken, good spelling, punctuation experts that can clearly pontificate thEIR conjugations and prepositions. Sound reasoning is paramount, no?

(I always wanted to use pontificate in a sentence).

[luciendelapeste]

@anarchylogic Wrong.

The intellectual discipline acquired when learning basic grammar, spelling and arithmetic is the cornerstone of a good education.

[xp19375]

@bradwatson7324

You need a period after "complicit".

[blackhawk12151]

"I don't want to demonize the unions..."

WHY THE F--K NOT?!?!?!

[dukee155]

I'd like school choice I'd like to go to a school that starts at 9:00 rather than 7:20

[CurtHowland]

@dukee155 One of the most destructive aspects of "public" schools is the schedule.

Teenagers NATURALLY stay up late and get up late. When they can sleep till noon, they stay up past midnight reading, doing math, learning.

But when they are woken up at 6am, they are sleepy and stupid all day long.

I honestly think they school system people know this perfectly well, and are deliberately sleep-depriving kids to make them more susceptible to the brain-washing that is public school.

[dukee155]

@CurtHowland I actually asked one of my teachers this question she said that it was because some kids have little brothers and sisters and they do not want them to be home alone. Also the school has extra help and sports until 4pm and then if we started later they will end later.

[CurtHowland]

@dukee155 I'm surprised they had any answer at all beyond "that's working hours".

[dukee155]

@CurtHowland Still the fact does remain that if there was a school choice system people can choose based on their conditions how many hours they want to go for.

[CurtHowland]

@dukee155 Indeed.

I contend that so long as taxes are taken first, there is no actual choice.

[ricadrew]

@CurtHowland So true!!

[scrappmutt2]

I was a stud in Clark Co, NV. They had a great Magnet, public school that offered a Comp Sci curriculum unlike anywhere else in the district. I had straight A's, good teacher recomendations, but got stuck on a waiting list, and never got in. I look back now, if there had been more market driven schools at the time, and the demand by good students for Comp Sci was that great, there would be more schools offering it, hence i would of had a better chance to get the Edu i wanted from another school

[Search111add]

Matisyahu - One Day ftw!

[anarchylogic]

If you are given a voucher for $9500.00 then the cost no matter where you go will just magically be $9499.99 per student. Thus the only real soultion is to end all public funded schooling of any kind. A real teacher could open his/her ownd school and charge 23 studends $3500 per year totaling a salary of $80,500 and the teacher (now small business owner) could offer 2 free spots to poor kids. Just a thought. Small business built this country, why can't it fix it?

[dayvidiot]

@anarchylogic nicely put.

[anarchylogic]

@dayvidiot Thank you good sir ^_^

[dayvidiot]

@anarchylogic

no, thank you.

it took me 12 years to get through

government education, and

then the next 12 years to repair

the damage.

the only thing "public" education

did for me was to spoil what should

have been the best 24 years of

my life!

[LibertyDownUnder]

@anarchylogic, the voucher system isn't perfect but it's a huge step in the right direction.

The Australian system is just as messed up as yours, and NO ONE has even heard of school vouchers here.

[CurtHowland]

@LibertyDownUnder No.

Vouchers will only serve to put "private" schools under govt control.

He who pays the piper calls the tune.

Will a homeschooler be able to simply cash the voucher themselves? No? Why not?

I've homeschooled. It works. Minimal time, maximal interaction, real "socialization". But no govt or union will recognize me as a valid educator.

Because I threaten their monopoly!

[anarchylogic]

@LibertyDownUnder As correct as you may be, given the present state of things in our respective countries, the temptation to politisize, and exploit the youth for money knows not the bounds of government or private industry. A voucher system would no doubt become just as demanding for bigger vouchers from the "state" to fund the private school, just as it does the public sector now.

We musn't yield to the temptation for a quick fix, rather a pricipled demand for gov to keep hands off, forever

[luciendelapeste]

@anarchylogic ....and "progressives" everywhere reach for the garlic and the crucifix.

Was there ever a more misused word than "progressive" as it is generally understood in 2010?

Ah yes....

"Liberal".

[kev3d]

@anarchylogic Not necessarily, remember the schools would have to compete with each other, so the cost may in fact be lower, depending on how the voucher is transmitted. If the voucher is treated like credit, it is possible parents could spend X amount on Grammar school A and Y amount on Gymnastics School B, allowing parents to mix and match. I'm for complete privatization, but politically, as of 2010, there is no chance in hell. Just breaking the union monopoly is a huge step.

[Wcoltd]

Teachers can't teach, they can only inspire kids to teach themselves.

[adamitshelanu]

When I graduated from high school in 1961, the C- and D-students went to college (too): state teachers colleges, which was the only places that would take them.

THEY built the current system.

[yakyakyak69]

Gov't = No Choice SLAVERY

Free Market = Free Choice COMPETITION

[CatoELYounger]

Thanks Reason TV!

[wreagfe]

Check out "The Cartel" here on YouTube too.

[robm425]

@wreagfe Wow added that movie to my netflix queue after watching the trailer. Thanks