Kick, Snare, Hi-hat Sound Check

[dylan9241]

I love running this board, its the one for me, I do love the old boards still, but I would love a digital board, I have ran this board for Ted Nugent before in Peoria IL and for a local band called Mindset Evolution I think, I also ran this for Puddle Of Mud too, these boards are easy, but so are the old ones.

[adminallen]

I have a hard time getting used to digital consoles I hate flipping through screens. I would take an analog console any day over digital. i just like to be able to reach for the eq right there without scrolling through a menu.

[gigbutt]

@adminallen On this console there is no "scrolling thru screens". Simply touch one button and the center channel with all of it's normal knobs for EQ and aux sends and dynamics are at your finger tips. That's the whole idea behind the M7CL. It's just like running an analog console. Albeit you have to do things one at a time but the same is true for an analog console.

[adminallen]

@gigbutt Actually scrolling was not the right terminology when i used it. What I meant was you have to select the channel and then go to the screen you can just reach for the knob on the channel console so to me it's slower especially in a multiband event. Just personal preference I spent my life on analog consoles like soundcraft 500B and series 2. I just don't think the digital stuff is all it's cracked up to be.

[gigbutt]

@adminallen I totally understand where you are coming from. I love the old analog consoles but I'm a real fan of the processing power that is built into a digital console! My first consoles were a Soundcraft 1S! But still, I'll take a digi console over an analog one everytime these days. Who has all the room for racks and racks of dynamic processing equipment that you have to carry around for an analog console? A Midas H3000 weighs like 800 pounds in it's roadcase and is eight feet long!

[crispaseve]

nice work

[miar123]

Is that mixer a yamaha?

[ianvad]

@miar123 Yes, Yamaha M7CL

[integer22]

fwiw, the numbering scale on the M7 meters is in dBFS. Unity gain (0dB) is at -20dBFS, ie. just before the orange LEDs light up.

[gigbutt]

@integer22 Excellent information! I love it when people add important information to these comment threads. Thank you!

[integer22]

@gigbutt indeed it is a very important piece of information to achieve good gain structure. unfortunately I only learned of this on the last day of a festival, after using the M7 for an entire weekend! Yamaha should make it more obvious, or just use the standard dB scale...

[azombiestool]

Very nice! Do you have a seperate fader for your subs including a mute button? You were talking about getting that nice mid range for the kick, THEN turning up your subs to balance it back out. How were you controlling the volume of the subs particularly for the kick? Or is it just an overall master SUB fader?

Also, what were you tweaking (I guess in the EQ it looked like) to get rid of that ring out of the snare? Thanks! -JAS.

[gigbutt]

@azombiestool I use an Auxiliary Send.....we have a separate monitor mix console so I don't have to use any aux sends for anything but effects and subs. Sometimes guys want front fills on a aux send for instance. Same difference. But yeah, every aux send has a send pot on the channel and a master output as well.

Yeah I'm sweeping thru the EQ with the +6dB gain to find the nasty little ring in the snare .....when I find the offending frequency I turn the EQ to -6dB and it's gone.

[azombiestool]

@gigbutt Very cool. Are you still running your subs out of your main sub output too? Or are you just doing it from your aux send for your subs out front? Basiclly, is it running out both your sub main outs and the aux out for the kick as well? and If so, I suppose the monitor console is running seperate than YOU are from your sub outs out of the FOH board. Im just a little confused, but really interested!

Thanks man!- Jas.

[bitencortt]

credo bumbo flete som horrivel

[gigbutt]

@bitencortt what's it mean in English? somebody translate for me :)

[digico66]

@gigbutt the guy wrote that the kick sound flat was poor...

[gigbutt]

@digico66 OK cool. Thank you for translating.....Yeah for an expensive kick drum it sounded pretty bad and required a deep notch filter in the mid-bass range......I run into guys that have great drum kits and can play them very well but the one thing they can't do is TUNE them! lol

[funkidelicFrank]

I mix on M7s all the time. The mic pre's aren't so great. We just picked up a profile and is now my preferred digital board...Analogue....? I use a Midas H2000 for FOH and a Midas XL250 on Monitors (just used at the Detroit Jazz Fest) and just love them both. When I can I go analogue...especially for festivals and on the fly gigs. I prefer digital for corporate gigs.

[GrandMasterIV]

do you set your input level meters pre or post-fader while the show is in progress?

[gigbutt]

@GrandMasterIV by default on must boards if there is a separate meter on a "meter bridge" for every channel it is going to be Post-fader. When you need to examine the Pre-fader level during the show you use the Solo button and you can compare input to output at a glance. The reason being is that channel input strips can clip at many points in the channel strip. The EQ and the fader are both Gain-stages and can be over saturated or clipped and you will be able to see that on a post fade meter.

[Skippy1411]

i like the speed of your work, if only it was always this chill

[kdavisaudio]

Make sure to take your skull cap off around your ears before you mix the band live. God, that guy was an idiot. everything from 1 kHz and up was way too high. I had plugs of course. People were looking around funny and gritting their teeth a lot! Don't be that guy!

[JBLgangsta]

M7CL?

[gigbutt]

@JBLgangsta yessir!

[hucchio]

So Slowly man...:-)

[snapascrew]

do you think it's essential to go to a school for "live audio engineering" to do this stuff? because the school that's closest is more of a recording engineering based school and I was wondering if it is a bad idea to still go there.

[gigbutt]

@snapascrew there is no "Live Sound School" yet. Not until I open the Production Institute next year! :)

Recording schools will teach you a thing or two about recording bro. Do you really think that will prepare you for live audio?? Good luck!

[snapascrew]

@gigbutt as far as sound stuff goes I think it will... I just don't know anything about how live stuff works... like who supplys the sound board, what the FOH engineer is in charge of and all that sorts of stuff

[gigbutt]

@snapascrew

A recording school will teach you the basics of a sound board. But listen....consoles for live and consoles for recording have different features, they require a different approach to gain structure. There's a lot of difference and a lot that is shared. The real issue with live sound is dealing with all the other physics and properties of sound in a big reverberant room. Remember, a studio is a tightly controlled environment which is very unlike a big concert hall.

[curlyfry66]

I prefer an AMEK recall 40 channel. It's like porn. Lol

[makina597]

saludos muy buen video very good video saludos de aka de mexico thanks for your contribution you utility two mics or one im using two mics y am is diferent soun my friend por que puedes invert to the fase. ok snare sound good man good aportation 100% heavy metal aaaa jejeje good mixing m7cl

[enyeny7077]

man its only on the left side do something bout the cam sound plzzz

[Bikingstingray]

nice shirt

[gigbutt]

@Bikingstingray one of my favorites for sure :)

[mufasor]

hey,,great video!! what kind of mixer is that?

[gigbutt]

@mufasor That console is a Yamaha M7CL

[calk1993]

i prefer analogue mixing. although i have used an m7cl and it was really good! its hard to get your head round at first though! still though you cant beat an analogue desk

[ricturtle]

@calk1993 your right I am having a great deal of difficulty getting my head round the digital desk concept, But slowly getting there. I would much rather a venice, or a nice sound craft or Allen heath ml 5000 than a digital but slowly i am seeing the joys of a digital desk

[crackshotnoodles]

what a great range of desks by Yamaha, i mic on a 32 cahnnel LS9 at my local venue! i prefer a audix d6 or an akg d112 as a kick mic though, i agree with the 57 on the snare though! nice sounds man!

[crackshotnoodles]

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