Hush little baby don't U cry, doc's gona inject U with formaldehyde... If that formaldehyde don't make U sick, doc'll come up with another trick.. Last month Pakistan reported 136 recent cases of polio,107 of them had had polio shots. Simple test.- Let's compare health of vaccinated to Un-vaccinated.. Do Amish have autism?. Why yes- in those adopted from overseas vaccinated upon entry & those taken away by the state & vaccinated. Idaho health director Peterson halted Salk polio July 1, 1955.
Dr. Viera Scheibner, is a doctor of paleontology, after retiring she began campaigning against vaccinations, has no peer reviewed works on the matter. Dr. JR shannon was not a real person, Dr. James Augustine Shannon worked for the NIH and never made this statement It is only quoted on anti-vaccine activist sites and no credible journal or news source confirms this statement. Well adjusted baby is a holistic child care book, and states that those are only her personal views.
Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, although he was a doctor, never published any peer reviewd papers supporting his claims and has made such preposterous as: "To explain the increasing stupidity and increasing violent crime we do not need to be falling most theories of use, because the solution is obvious: loss of intelligence leads to crime. To say it clearly: the causes of this development are the vaccinations. "
I don't care if you get vaccinations (like I have said), or anyone really for that matter (although I hope parents will make informed decisions about their child's healthcare), but you clearly are biased and not educated at a collegiate level in the sciences. Even if you sources were valid, it does not change the fact that your claim that vaccinations killed more soldiers than the in the 1918 Spanish flu outbreak is false. By the way, doctors don't diagnose and offer natural 'cures' via skype.
@dragonamt Yes fair call. The sources I quoted were only in reference to the book "Well adjusted Babies". Please keep one thing in mind. Any Doctor or professional medic stating vaccines are wrong, would have a high probability of loosing their job don't you think?.
@dragonamt Yes fair call. The sources I quoted were only in reference to the book "Well adjusted Babies". Please keep one thing in mind. Any Doctor or professional medic stating vaccines are wrong, would have a high probability of loosing their job don't you think?. Going against the grain would certainly not be worth the trouble. That's why I am only assuming they come out with these type of statements later on.
@dragonamt I do agree with you that parents need to be informed to make their own decisions, after all that's all I really want to get across, as most people just follow the norm.
It is true that there is no way of knowing 100% if the vaccinations did kill more soldiers than the outbreak, no-one can ever know. My claim was just as an eye opener to research further, to get people to think, if I did make an outright claim, that would be wrong.
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H1N1 is not fake, I had it, it sucked and made me WAY more 'sore and achy' than other times I've had the flu, but otherwise it was actually less shitty than other flu strains, they did however give me fluvoximine and it cleared up in a matter of days. New influenza strains have been deadly in the past outbreaks and this may have yielded a SLIGHTLY higher mortality rate, but it is the media (not even the government the MEDIA) that made it a big deal.
@dragonamt It is more 'dangerous' than the 'average' strain, but there are many strains and not all have been as widely researched and monitored. The only real thing about this strain that is unusual is that it hit out of season, but that was at the initial genesis of the strain, it now follows regular seasonal patterns like other strains and like other strains it effected old, young, immune compromised, and developing nations more severely.
@dragonamt The reason why the TRUE pandemic of 1918 was so frightening is that it seemed to effect and take the lives of the healthiest people in their prime. This 'targeting' of the healthiest people is unlike the majority of contagious diseases, additionally, the Spanish flue was much more deadly in developed countries although this was likely due to the lack of antivirals and the lack of organized countermeasures to restrict its transition.
@dragonamt Therefore, I'd say the WHO did a good job, don't agree with the media fear mongering, but if you really do have any strain of flu or contagious disease besides athletes foot or a cold, stay home until you haven't had a fever for 24 hours or you have been on antibiotics for 24 hours if it is a bacterial infection. That isn't fear mongering, it's a common courtesy to coworkers and better for your own health.
@dragonamt Do your research on the Spanish flu, you will be surprised. More soldiers died from the vacinations given to them than from the so called spanish flu. I. Honorof, E. McBean (Vaccination The Silent Killer p28)
@amanwithdreams did you actually read any of the quoted text from this document? It was not written by a medical doctor first of all, secondly her reasoning is completely retarded, and my great grandmother can tell you how her brother died of the flu. This is the only document that makes these claims. it was not peer reviewed and does not cite peer reviewed sources. Yes vaccines have been dangerous in the past, like in the 1800's, but the document you have cited is not academically valid.
@dragonamt Yes thank you I did read the document. Even without the document, I have read enough other literature from your so called Gods "Doctors" in regards to the negative effects of vaccines and immunizations.
@dragonamt Yes thank you I did read the document. Even without the document, I have read enough other literature from your so called Gods "Doctors" in regards to the negative effects of vaccines and immunizations. It is my right to share this information whether you agree or disagree.
@amanwithdreams That you do. And I have a right say it is wrong. You told me to do more research, and I did, and I found your sources inadequate. Yes, there are potential negative effects, as there are with many drugs, the negative effects are publicly available as well. I never said doctors were gods, and if she had a legitimate education and this was peer reviewed then sure, it is more the issue of peer review than being a doctor, as that is a fundamental component of good science.
@dragonamt You are right here are some sources for you to check out.
Read chapter 11 of the book "Well adjusted Babies" This chapter deals with vaccines. In it are various medical professionals who talk about vaccines. For example, Dr. J.R.Shannon (former Director National Institute of Health for Australia is quoted as saying " the only safe vaccine is the one that's not used" Other Doctors which speak on the matter are Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, Dr. William Campbell Douglas, Dr. Viera Scheibner,
@dragonamt ....Ph.D researcher. Dr. Carly MD. Dr. Phillip Brunnel plus others. But I think you get the point. My best source is my mother-in -law. A Clinical Bio-chemist for over 40 years. The discussions we have a priceless.
I believe you are being honest in your understanding, all I am saying is you really need to dig deep to find out more.
@amanwithdreams Well yes, as for the case of chicken pox, many doctors (including my doc) believe now that it may have been better not to give children that vaccination, however, if you have gotten it, like I did, you need to get booster shots for the rest of your life because chicken pox is life threatening to adults. As I said, there are risks, no one should be forced, I don't advocate vaccination per se, but that doesn't change the fact your initial comment was based on unreliable sources.
@amanwithdreams additionally, though I have to take your word that your mother-in-law is a scientist, you most certainly do not seem qualified to be making claims. With the one exception of Brunnel's 1972 paper, you still fail to provide any academically viable papers to support your claims, which appear to be plugging an anti-vaccine dogma unrelated to my initial comments or the video.
@dragonamt I like to be honest. My mother in-Law is a Clinical bio-chemist and my father in-law a professor in Physics. Both intellectuals, as I said our conversations are priceless, my wife is a Psychiatrist also. Honestly I only looked into this subject prior to my wife and I having Children. All the information at our disposal helped us with our decision to not vaccinate, nor take any other form of vaccinations ourselves.
@amanwithdreams Well I am a Biologist, but that is besides the point. I never mentioned anything about vaccines you brought it up and apparently want me to believe they are some kind of poison. You aren't going to convince me of this without hard scientific proof that, all of which I know shows vaccines are beneficial and the benefits out way the very real but minimal risks. As I have stated, I don't care what you do with your family, but that doesn't make any choices you have shown me valid.
@amanwithdreams I suppose you don't vaccinate your dog for rabies either. What if you or your child got bit by rabies, which only in the last 10 years has anyone survived without vaccination, and even then only 3 people survived when a dozen others stilled died under the same treatment: the Milwaukee Protocol? Would you still refuse vaccination then knowing only 3 humans have survived without it in the history of hundreds of thousands of people that have died? I bet you'd change your tune.
@dragonamt I live in Australia, to my knowledge I don't know any one who has ever had this issue, as rabbies do not exist here. I actually used to breed rotweilers. I used to follow everything to the last letter. All the injections, heart worm tablets etc. Lots of my dogs died early. For the last 25 years, I haven't given them anything. Guess what, longer life spans. Now this is through my own personal experience.
@amanwithdreams I need you to understand I don't have an issue with the vaccination as such, but with the preservatives which are included in each vaccine. There is enough evidence of the effects of Mercury, formaldehyde, aluminum, acetone, MSG etc all play on the body. Especially as these are toxic and over time can accumulate creating other diseases or problems. Also the way some of these vaccines are administered is wrong.
@amanwithdreams Even if you were a scientist, without legitimate sources, I still wouldn't believe your claims. This could go on forever. These compounds you mentioned are not 'included' in the vaccines, they are toxic and are closely regulated to maintain safe levels, thought yes the CDC openly acknowledges that there may be trace amounts in some vaccines. There is more than 2 times as much mercury in 1 6oz serving of white chunk canned tuna then there has been found in vaccines.
@amanwithdreams The body has it's systems in place, but the vaccines by-pass these systems sometimes. For example, Chicken pox is caught/transmitted through the respiratory system, yet a vaccine goes straight into the blood system which will effect the liver.
Fear mongering works really well on the population. I don't have those fears. Your immunes system if fully primed will work wonders.
@amanwithdreams like I said though, hypothetical situations aside, I don't care about what your family does. It does set me off, however, when people try to discredit sound logic with bogus pseudoscience like you did. I don't deny there have been legitimate cases as recent as 1972 when a new vaccine was introduced and killed 25 people, but the flu kills 30,000 people in the United States every year. The CDC can confirm both these statements. You may make any conclusion you wish from the data
@dragonamt 1972, come on, just last year there was a case of someone dying here in Australia from the cervical cancer vaccine, also two more in Europe, but they never contribute it to the vaccine. They cannot afford to.
At the end of the day, I don't believe anything which has an artificial chemical compound which is not found naturally in food and processed through a natural channel can be good for your body and mind.
@amanwithdreams Like I said, we aren't going to convince each other of anything so I am done. feel free to have the last word. I have more pressing issues and rather regret getting into this nonsense. If you'll excuse me, I have some C13 NMR results to interpret of some unknown alkyl halides. toddles.
@dragonamt Sorry for going on here, just one more point. I would never take the risk by vaccinating my children, even if there was only a 0.01% risk factor. Try telling the parents of babies/children they had which were normal pre-vaccination and then completely change or develop Autism after, that they did the right thing. Can it be proven, not yet, do they believe that was the cause, yes. For me the risk was too high. Any amount of side effect is too much for me to take a gamble on.
@amanwithdreams but the point is, that data is from legitimate sources. When you can cite legitimate peer reviewed sources, you can comment on my postings and I will gladly reconsider my statement/personal views on any subject, in any field. As a scientist myself, I have to be open minded and be willing to accept I am wrong, but I can only do that when hard evidence is provided from statistics or a reproducible experiment is presented.
@amanwithdreams I agree, the conversation we are having is priceless, and by your degree of literacy I must conclude you are educated to some degree, so then, lets review your most recent sources. As I have said, Brunnel was a good source, a little out of date, but very valid. There is where your good sources end. Dr. Carly MD is not an MD, doctors do not diagnose over skype. Douglas is ONLY referenced in sites such as freerepublic, biblebelievers (WHO killed Africa? News to me) etc.
@amanwithdreams This video had nothing to do with the influenza vaccination, nor at any point did I say people should be vaccinated, in fact at the time this video was posted there was no vaccine for H1N1. No doubt, not everyone necessarily needs to be vaccinated. Vaccination should never be forced, people can make there own decisions, though I do think it is better if they are well informed with the the facts, not fictitious pseudoscience of nearly 4 decades ago.
@amanwithdreams The vaccination was not introduced until well after massive infection as is evident through military documentation. McBean was an anti vaccine activist in the 70's. In fact there is no record of her supposed Ph D. (and even if she really had one, she still would not have been a doctor). Go to college and learn to do real research, stop confusing the ignorant masses with your ludicrous claims.
Even if you get it, unless you're a small child, have some condition or are elderly, it's not the end of the world. You'll be sick for a few days, then you'll continue to live. Don't be stupid.
Wrong, H1N1 has been around for a long time, atleast the early 1900s and had struck Europe and America before. It struck in the form of the Spanish flue(In Europe) in 1918 killing atleast 50 million. And killed 13 soldiers in New Jersey, Fort Dix in 1976 and infected people in Russia(1977-1978). The virus is merely spreading it's territory as to what it can infect. Not saying borders should be open, but don't blame the Mexicans for the swine-flu and don't use that for political points.
In fact, one of the most widely accepted theories of the origin of the Spanish Flu is that it came from Fort Riley, Kansas. In Fort Riley, they bred swine and poultry and served them as food for troops. During that time(1918 towards the end of WW1), the US troops were spread across Europe, inluding Spain. Swine/poultry+US troops+Spain=Spanish Flu killing 50 to 100 million people, sorry to burst your bubble but Mexico isn't in the equation, and its not like Viruses care about a border wall LOL
@metalmosh6 "In fact, one of the most widely accepted theories" This is a myth, not a theory. Theories must be based on facts. Please state these facts and cite the sources. Please cite sources where this myth was found to be 'widely accepted'
The US website, VAERS, has published statistics of adverse reactions on ONLY ONE of the swine flu vaccines:
Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine
The most recent, May 7, 2010
11,029 reports
833 classified as "Serious Health Events" -defined as, "life-threatening or death, major disability, abnormal conditions at birth, hospitalization, or extension of existing hospitalization"
56 US deaths, all "under investigation"
VAERS is required to report on ALL flu vaccines, yet only report this one.
look up thimerosal.... if you think putting multiple times the toxic amount of mercury in your blood stream is the best way to stay healthy, then by all means run down to your local supermarket and get your free shot. We americans love free shit don't we?
Thimerosal is a preservative which is ethylmercury and not methylmercury, ethylmercury is out of your system very quickly unlike methylmercury which bioaccumulates and causes long term damage.
Secondly because of people paranoid of it even though it's shown to be safe for decades you have the option of getting vaccines without thimerosal.
We Americans like our fact checking much don't we?
Oh wow, I'm convinced, how about you come over to my house and inject some vaccines into my arm for me? Before you fire back some well-informed response do a search for this pdf file and read it in full: A REVIEW OF THIMEROSAL (MERTHIOLATE) AND ITS ETHYLMERCURY
BREAKDOWN PRODUCT: SPECIFIC HISTORICAL CONSIDERATIONS
REGARDING SAFETY AND EFFECTIVENESS
It's cool if you still feel safe taking the vaccine, but your facts do not line up with my facts.
Did you read nothing in my first post? Not only has it been proven to be a safe preservative for decades and has had multiple studies on it but you can get vaccines without thimerosal entirelly. Are you so brainwashed you can't even read entire responses or do you just pick out phrases and then arbitrarily assume you know everything that was said?
I should also point out if you read some of those studies, they indicate something we already know, mercury will poison over a long period of time, a few of these papers are giving periodic doses far higher than you'd find in vaccines and giving daily injections. Mercury poisoning does damage in the long term and exposure such as this is very different than in any vaccine regime.
The man who invented 18 of the 14 vaccines considered essential Maurice Hilleman (credited with saving more lives than any other scientist in the 19th century) says vaccines are dangerous and carry tertiary diseases and can cause cancer.
Who am I going to trust garith21? You're ignorant ass or the fucking guy who pretty much invented vaccines? I think I'll go with the latter. Have a nice day.
1) Even if he did say that, where's the evidence and your source? I would be very interested in seeing the peer reviewed papers on the matter.
2) The closest thing I can find supporting your claim is the SV-40 tainting in some of the polio vaccines during the 50's and that's only the tainted vaccines, do you have any actual papers or what?
1) You didn't say anything about it but I did not mean to be insulting to you. My apologies.
2) Search "Merck Vaccine Chief
3) 30% of all doctors in UK refuse H1N1 vaccine.
4) type "Merck Vaccine Chief Brings" (first result)
36,000 people a year die of the flue. How many died of the swine flu? US 'predicted 30 to 90k in April 09. Actual deaths? 14,286 (worldwide) 3,642 (US).
Not worth ethynol mercury and squalene in my system. H1N1 was rushed onto the market, insufficient testing.
1) I still find the same types of sources dealing with SV-40
2) Um, okay how is this a peer reviewed study?
3) That's nice but a "feeling" that SV-40 might cause cancer which is a virus taint and not in normal vaccines and while it did cause cancer in hamsters shows no evidence of causing cancer in people.
4) How many didn't die due to being vaccinated? I guess you can't factor that in can you?
You assert that I need peer reviewed studies to believe that the vaccination is unsafe but this is simply untrue. Safety must be demonstrated, public confidence in the vaccine is the responsibility of the creators of said vaccine and those who would have it administered. The burden of proof of the safety of H1N1 vaccine is not on me, Garith21, and this is where your logic is fallacious and a straw man.
That said:
"Antibodies to squalene in Gulf War syndrome." in google.
5) That would be ethyl mercury, also you can get the H1N1 or any flu vaccine without thimerosal if you so choose. Squalene is for improving the immune response.
6) I'll take your response as "I don't have anything but that video and don't actually have any peer reviewed studies"? or do you actually have any studies that support your claim.
@garith21 and from that study "the substantial majority (95%) of overtly ill deployed GWS patients had antibodies to squalene. All (100%) GWS patients immunized for service in Desert Shield/Desert Storm who did not deploy, but had the same signs and symptoms as those who did deploy, had antibodies to squalene. In contrast, none (0%) of the deployed Persian Gulf veterans not showing signs and symptoms of GWS have antibodies to squalene."
@garith21 and additionally, i will listen to the medical professionals all across the world who say it's unsafe over the FDA which brought about Monsanto GM food (studies DO show it leads to organ failure) and the WHO.
My safety is more important than your opinion on what is and is not healthy. Go get vaccinated, that's your choice.
If someone tells me to jump off a cliff I don't do it unless I'm confident that it's safe, I don't let someone say "prove it's not" and then jump off. lol
1) Yet you won't listen to the larger majority that does say it is safe, selective hearing much?
2) Yet there's many studies showing it's safe, you're asserting it's not with anecdotal evidence. It's like saying "hey most people and studies show that disease is caused by germs but there's some others that say it's caused by demons so I'm believing the demon guys"
5) Correlation automatically means causation? By that logic everyone that has had a vaccine should have GWS and it should be shown in the general population right?
6) "Cytokine storms are NOT specific to H1N1 you should not be implying that that they are btw"
a) never said they were
b) I merely pointed out that it happens with H1N1 where it wouldn't with seasonal flu.
Again, consumer confidence is not based on "proving it's unsafe" it works the opposite. I am not confident in the safety of the H1N1 Vaccine, you have done nothing to successfully change that view. Yes, the guy that invented 8 of the 14 most important vaccines IS credible enough to tell me that they are unsafe and for me to believe him over you.
Like I said, you have done nothing to convince me that H1N1 vaccine is safe.I don't jump off a cliff because I can't 'prove' its unsafe.
1) He was referring to a polio vaccine during the 50's which may have been tainted with a virus at no point even during this supposed interview does he state "all vaccines" or the "H1N1 vaccine cause cancer"
2) There have been many studies over many decades showing it is safe, what you're doing is the equivalent of asserting, "no one's proved that typing in front of a computer is safe therefore I won't type at a computer" =P
See when there's many decades of study saying that vaccines are safe and then you assert "they're not safe" I want something to back up that claim when there's an abundant amount of evidence and study from many independent labs. When there's abundant evidence to the opposite of what you're asserting it does require some justification outside of really bad assumptions that I've pointed out time and time again.
@garith21 yet you are providing me with none of this, i'm just supposed to take you word for it? There are studies that suggest links with Gulf War Syndrome to vaccination (specifically Anthrax).
You've pointed nothing out, you've said "show me studies!" (and I did) and then you dismissed it, demanded more studies, said you had studies on your side and referenced nothing.
So far you've convinced me with nothing but hot air assurance and promises. Old vaccines are not the H1N1 vaccine btw.
1) You pointed to a study that stated that antibodies for a particular additive and I responded that correlation is not causation and the logic follows that if that caused it you would expect it in the population which we don't observ.
2) Which vaccines do you want peer reviewed studies for? The fact that they have been used for decades on millions of people with no significant side effects should say something, but clearly you want more
Duh, but the additives are the same and you're complaining about the additives, one of which you have options of getting vaccines without and the other you assert that because squaline antibodies are found in test subjects of a small study that it indicates it's a cause of GWS when you'd expect that in the population if it were remotely true.
I should also point out that estimate is based on lab confirmed cases, the estimated cases due to death tolls and poor flu like symptom reporting and comparisons of previous seasons is anywhere from 8000-17000 deaths from H1N1 related complications in the US
Also the 36,000 is based on complications due to the flu not just the flu it's self
One should also point out that many healthy people died from H1N1 that don't die of normal flu due to cytokine storm
It was a safety concern for entire nations but you expect me to take it based on your reassurances, it's laughable. Cytokine storms are NOT specific to H1N1 you should not be implying that that they are btw. If you die due to cytokine storm that is a "related complication." Funny how that only counts for the regular flue to you.
I should also point out that there have been studies done where people took around 1000 times the amount of thimerosol that a person would experience with a vaccine shot with no adverse side effects and it was out of their system in a relatively short amount of time. Then again I suppose you're the type that sees "mercury" or "radiation" and assume it's all bad with no difference
pfft. i had the swine flu.. i also have asthma and an allergy to ragweed, there were ragweeds growing up the side of my house... and i didnt even need to go to the holspital once.. naturally got over it using only aspirin..
its hyped up shit... thats what it is... i did however cause lung damage... thats the only bad thing.. got cool WEEK off of school..
there is a pending investigation on the makers of the swine flu vaccine. I guess it is alleged that the pharma company that created the vaccine used their political and media connections to hype up the severity of H1N1, so they could sell a very large amount of their vaccine.. Now, alot of countries paid alot of money with the intention of vaccinating its citizens while these criminal perpetrate a false pandemic. Serious charges methinks.. btw, my daughter had swine flu and was fine after 2 days
OK folks. I've asked doctors, pharmacists, nurses & drug companies how many of those who died from the H1N1 virus were vaccinated, and guess what. NOBODY KNOWS.
And do you know why they don't know such-easy-to gather information?
Obviously the news is not good. We hear about deaths, but not about the raw numbers, the hard facts, the real science that proves that the vaccine either works or it doesn't.
I had the vaccine three weeks ago, and then lost all free will, posted government slogans on websites, then two weeks ago I died! But it was okay because even though I was in the woods the GPS they put in at the same time helped cops find the body. And then birds ate my corpse and the vaccine killed them too! And those were sold at KFC and the passed vaccine killed the entire state of New York, no one alive anymore! Just because one person got the vaccine! The horror!
fck the vaccine, i was exposed to 2 people on 2 diff occasions, both had swine flu and im fine. all u need is vit C and fish oil. and oh by the way, i work in a convenience store and am exposed to hundreds of people per day and their filthy money.
Vitamin C and fish oil don't do anything to improve your immunity. Some people just have higher immunities than others. Vaccines are recommended for those with known immunological disorders, the weak and the elderly. The best way for average Joe to avoid contracting the flu/giving it to others is washing your hands and covering your mouth when you cough or sneeze.
Well, it's frankly better if everyone gets vaccinated since vaccines have a reduced effect in those groups since it uses your immune system, there's also groups that can't get vaccinated for certain things due to personal conditions and their only protection is herd immunity. Focusing on the medical community and people that deal with high volumes of people first.
haha really funny but i can take out more juice when i have cold .. i know i know but its best reflex protecting system that ever body has come up with, when dealing with respiratory congestion.
There's a pandemy in some areas of my country. All wear masks, it looks like that the end of the world is here. :D The swine flu is like the seasonal flu, but it has more complications and you have to call a doctor faster, not taking treatments yourself. I think we don't need so much panic...
Now, being that as it may, we should ask ourselves. What in the name of God are they adding into that vaccine that can't be good for pregnant women but is apparently fine for myself?
It's a simple case of the media blowing things out of proportion to try and scare the public.
It's all for the sake of keeping us shut up and paranoid. =/
Honestly, I don't think anyone should take this shot. I myself don't trust it because it has not been extensively tested on humans yet. They performed 1 TEST on 100 people in Europe. Also, it's impossible for them to actually TEST the vaccine extensively because each year the Flu develops new strains and therefore becomes a totally different mutation.Remember the Avian Flu?
Also, a different version of the shot is being distributed to pregnant women.
I find it hilarious how everyone reacts in a frenzy because of what they hear from the media. No one thinks for themselves anymore which is quite sad.
High risk groups should get the shot but healthy people don't need this crap. If you normally don't get the flu and/or the shot, no sense in starting now.
severe cases? how severe? how can a flu that is weaker than normal flu be severe? well because the news told you so. about 14x more people die from normal seasonal flu every year. Just remember dont smile or make eye contact, or you may be a terrorist of have swine flu :) by the way were not swine, we are humans. It should be called human flu eh?
Why do you think that the news inst telling you about the deaths from the vaccines? Im just saying your only getting one side of the story :)
I said it before and I'll say it again. The best way to keep yourself from getting H1N1 or whatever the hell we're calling it now is... to not watch the news.
@jasonsgroovemachine Im glad other people are awake to this crap too. The H1N1 vaccines are more deadly than the flu itself with the mercury and thimerisol in it.
@Metallicafan6611 Unless you are someone like me, who's body isnt as strong against disease, and can be killed by the common flu. In which case, it would be safer. Actually, your comment has little to no proof to back it up. Perfectly healthy people were killed by this because they didnt treat it.
Obama sucks....(coming from a Canadian)...He is killing both of our economies...both He and Stephen Harper are joined at the Anus....and I guess you are somewhere in the middle...
As long as Canada and The US allow theives like the IMF to steal our resources...there is no path other than the frikken bottom....It will take a wheelbarrow full of toonies to buy that poutine mon frere...and its the continuation of the awful busch regime that blinds you....salut
I ( a canadian SOLDIER) think you are an uneducated inbred chicken shit mother fucker and your mothers only true quality to be a mother is a womb which she uses to catch sperm from passing truck drivers.
People who support Nation dissolving globalists like Harper, Dionne, Bush, Obama and our separatist lugans are a disgrace to what the Canadian Uniform stands for....
DND issue the Best damn Kit you will see in modern combat; others would drool over it..
But foreign policy based on globalization is not based in our Nations best intrest...so before you toot the proud Canadian horn, you better explore what purpose you serve to Canada...
globalization? where do you get your info from. were still picking up the peices to the shithole bush started. obama and harper are taking amazing steps towards that. and what does our kit have to do with it. i know we have amazing kit, i wouldnt call it the best in modern warfare at all, but it is amazing. our soldiers stand for our country no matter who leads it becuase in the end we work for the citizens.
Globalization is when you sell your security of the person for somebody elses prosperity....
Our SPP agreement with the States is a sell out of our countries assets....
There is no change with Obama....
Mr Nobel Peace prize will bow to the global Carbon gods and give them the governance control they already assumed...
We need to drop our "G7" moniker...Kick the IMF out of Canada and Return to the Bank of Canada as the creater of our Currency.... so we dont plunge with the US dollar
So far he's shown his incompetance, dishonesty and not much positive action, that's pretty much hat happened.
The "love" for a politician is almost always blind. He tells ppl what they want to hear and they(like sheep) follow him unconditionally. Those who are precommitted to leftists causes will love him and those who are committed to right wing ideals will not.
How many people have died from Swine Flu this year. Let's see. The figure is probably marginally higher than the number of people killed from eating peanuts. However it is a lot fewer than the amount of people who have died from smoking related diseases, and a lot less than the number of people killed on the roads, and a lot less than the number of people killed in those illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. But I don't hear anyone declaring any "National Emergency" over that.
Hush little baby don't U cry, doc's gona inject U with formaldehyde... If that formaldehyde don't make U sick, doc'll come up with another trick.. Last month Pakistan reported 136 recent cases of polio,107 of them had had polio shots. Simple test.- Let's compare health of vaccinated to Un-vaccinated.. Do Amish have autism?. Why yes- in those adopted from overseas vaccinated upon entry & those taken away by the state & vaccinated. Idaho health director Peterson halted Salk polio July 1, 1955.
2ndSamuel710 7 months ago
Dang...Here I actually enjoyed the Mythbusters. Too bad they sold out to big pharma.
MrMaryJanes 7 months ago
Ummm....Ewwwww?
KtwMjsuperfan 8 months ago
Conspiracy!
silvertehrandom 8 months ago
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BabeyyJaynaaa88 10 months ago
lol this is epic xD
baznian 11 months ago
H1N1 ia a lie, its a virus that has been constructed, its not natural, thanks BigPharma.
SNIPERSTEVE420 1 year ago
hhahah! thts what i call infection!
RakusaToruna 1 year ago
I just had xmas and new year ruined coz flu. 1 worker did 1 day more work and after that all was sick. That 1 idiot should go jail.
koponenii 1 year ago
Dr. Viera Scheibner, is a doctor of paleontology, after retiring she began campaigning against vaccinations, has no peer reviewed works on the matter. Dr. JR shannon was not a real person, Dr. James Augustine Shannon worked for the NIH and never made this statement It is only quoted on anti-vaccine activist sites and no credible journal or news source confirms this statement. Well adjusted baby is a holistic child care book, and states that those are only her personal views.
dragonamt 1 year ago
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dragonamt 1 year ago
Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, although he was a doctor, never published any peer reviewd papers supporting his claims and has made such preposterous as: "To explain the increasing stupidity and increasing violent crime we do not need to be falling most theories of use, because the solution is obvious: loss of intelligence leads to crime. To say it clearly: the causes of this development are the vaccinations. "
dragonamt 1 year ago
I don't care if you get vaccinations (like I have said), or anyone really for that matter (although I hope parents will make informed decisions about their child's healthcare), but you clearly are biased and not educated at a collegiate level in the sciences. Even if you sources were valid, it does not change the fact that your claim that vaccinations killed more soldiers than the in the 1918 Spanish flu outbreak is false. By the way, doctors don't diagnose and offer natural 'cures' via skype.
dragonamt 1 year ago
@dragonamt Yes fair call. The sources I quoted were only in reference to the book "Well adjusted Babies". Please keep one thing in mind. Any Doctor or professional medic stating vaccines are wrong, would have a high probability of loosing their job don't you think?.
amanwithdreams 1 year ago
@dragonamt Yes fair call. The sources I quoted were only in reference to the book "Well adjusted Babies". Please keep one thing in mind. Any Doctor or professional medic stating vaccines are wrong, would have a high probability of loosing their job don't you think?. Going against the grain would certainly not be worth the trouble. That's why I am only assuming they come out with these type of statements later on.
amanwithdreams 1 year ago
@dragonamt I do agree with you that parents need to be informed to make their own decisions, after all that's all I really want to get across, as most people just follow the norm.
It is true that there is no way of knowing 100% if the vaccinations did kill more soldiers than the outbreak, no-one can ever know. My claim was just as an eye opener to research further, to get people to think, if I did make an outright claim, that would be wrong.
Cheers.
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urgencyharviefcem 1 year ago
H1N1 is not fake, I had it, it sucked and made me WAY more 'sore and achy' than other times I've had the flu, but otherwise it was actually less shitty than other flu strains, they did however give me fluvoximine and it cleared up in a matter of days. New influenza strains have been deadly in the past outbreaks and this may have yielded a SLIGHTLY higher mortality rate, but it is the media (not even the government the MEDIA) that made it a big deal.
dragonamt 1 year ago
@dragonamt It is more 'dangerous' than the 'average' strain, but there are many strains and not all have been as widely researched and monitored. The only real thing about this strain that is unusual is that it hit out of season, but that was at the initial genesis of the strain, it now follows regular seasonal patterns like other strains and like other strains it effected old, young, immune compromised, and developing nations more severely.
dragonamt 1 year ago
@dragonamt The reason why the TRUE pandemic of 1918 was so frightening is that it seemed to effect and take the lives of the healthiest people in their prime. This 'targeting' of the healthiest people is unlike the majority of contagious diseases, additionally, the Spanish flue was much more deadly in developed countries although this was likely due to the lack of antivirals and the lack of organized countermeasures to restrict its transition.
dragonamt 1 year ago
@dragonamt Therefore, I'd say the WHO did a good job, don't agree with the media fear mongering, but if you really do have any strain of flu or contagious disease besides athletes foot or a cold, stay home until you haven't had a fever for 24 hours or you have been on antibiotics for 24 hours if it is a bacterial infection. That isn't fear mongering, it's a common courtesy to coworkers and better for your own health.
dragonamt 1 year ago
@dragonamt Do your research on the Spanish flu, you will be surprised. More soldiers died from the vacinations given to them than from the so called spanish flu. I. Honorof, E. McBean (Vaccination The Silent Killer p28)
amanwithdreams 1 year ago
@amanwithdreams did you actually read any of the quoted text from this document? It was not written by a medical doctor first of all, secondly her reasoning is completely retarded, and my great grandmother can tell you how her brother died of the flu. This is the only document that makes these claims. it was not peer reviewed and does not cite peer reviewed sources. Yes vaccines have been dangerous in the past, like in the 1800's, but the document you have cited is not academically valid.
dragonamt 1 year ago
@dragonamt Yes thank you I did read the document. Even without the document, I have read enough other literature from your so called Gods "Doctors" in regards to the negative effects of vaccines and immunizations.
amanwithdreams 1 year ago
@dragonamt Yes thank you I did read the document. Even without the document, I have read enough other literature from your so called Gods "Doctors" in regards to the negative effects of vaccines and immunizations. It is my right to share this information whether you agree or disagree.
amanwithdreams 1 year ago
@amanwithdreams That you do. And I have a right say it is wrong. You told me to do more research, and I did, and I found your sources inadequate. Yes, there are potential negative effects, as there are with many drugs, the negative effects are publicly available as well. I never said doctors were gods, and if she had a legitimate education and this was peer reviewed then sure, it is more the issue of peer review than being a doctor, as that is a fundamental component of good science.
dragonamt 1 year ago
@dragonamt You are right here are some sources for you to check out.
Read chapter 11 of the book "Well adjusted Babies" This chapter deals with vaccines. In it are various medical professionals who talk about vaccines. For example, Dr. J.R.Shannon (former Director National Institute of Health for Australia is quoted as saying " the only safe vaccine is the one that's not used" Other Doctors which speak on the matter are Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, Dr. William Campbell Douglas, Dr. Viera Scheibner,
amanwithdreams 1 year ago
@dragonamt ....Ph.D researcher. Dr. Carly MD. Dr. Phillip Brunnel plus others. But I think you get the point. My best source is my mother-in -law. A Clinical Bio-chemist for over 40 years. The discussions we have a priceless.
I believe you are being honest in your understanding, all I am saying is you really need to dig deep to find out more.
Cheers.
amanwithdreams 1 year ago
@amanwithdreams Well yes, as for the case of chicken pox, many doctors (including my doc) believe now that it may have been better not to give children that vaccination, however, if you have gotten it, like I did, you need to get booster shots for the rest of your life because chicken pox is life threatening to adults. As I said, there are risks, no one should be forced, I don't advocate vaccination per se, but that doesn't change the fact your initial comment was based on unreliable sources.
dragonamt 1 year ago
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dragonamt 1 year ago
@amanwithdreams additionally, though I have to take your word that your mother-in-law is a scientist, you most certainly do not seem qualified to be making claims. With the one exception of Brunnel's 1972 paper, you still fail to provide any academically viable papers to support your claims, which appear to be plugging an anti-vaccine dogma unrelated to my initial comments or the video.
dragonamt 1 year ago
@dragonamt I like to be honest. My mother in-Law is a Clinical bio-chemist and my father in-law a professor in Physics. Both intellectuals, as I said our conversations are priceless, my wife is a Psychiatrist also. Honestly I only looked into this subject prior to my wife and I having Children. All the information at our disposal helped us with our decision to not vaccinate, nor take any other form of vaccinations ourselves.
amanwithdreams 1 year ago
@amanwithdreams Well I am a Biologist, but that is besides the point. I never mentioned anything about vaccines you brought it up and apparently want me to believe they are some kind of poison. You aren't going to convince me of this without hard scientific proof that, all of which I know shows vaccines are beneficial and the benefits out way the very real but minimal risks. As I have stated, I don't care what you do with your family, but that doesn't make any choices you have shown me valid.
dragonamt 1 year ago
@amanwithdreams I suppose you don't vaccinate your dog for rabies either. What if you or your child got bit by rabies, which only in the last 10 years has anyone survived without vaccination, and even then only 3 people survived when a dozen others stilled died under the same treatment: the Milwaukee Protocol? Would you still refuse vaccination then knowing only 3 humans have survived without it in the history of hundreds of thousands of people that have died? I bet you'd change your tune.
dragonamt 1 year ago
@dragonamt I live in Australia, to my knowledge I don't know any one who has ever had this issue, as rabbies do not exist here. I actually used to breed rotweilers. I used to follow everything to the last letter. All the injections, heart worm tablets etc. Lots of my dogs died early. For the last 25 years, I haven't given them anything. Guess what, longer life spans. Now this is through my own personal experience.
amanwithdreams 1 year ago
@amanwithdreams I need you to understand I don't have an issue with the vaccination as such, but with the preservatives which are included in each vaccine. There is enough evidence of the effects of Mercury, formaldehyde, aluminum, acetone, MSG etc all play on the body. Especially as these are toxic and over time can accumulate creating other diseases or problems. Also the way some of these vaccines are administered is wrong.
amanwithdreams 1 year ago
@amanwithdreams Even if you were a scientist, without legitimate sources, I still wouldn't believe your claims. This could go on forever. These compounds you mentioned are not 'included' in the vaccines, they are toxic and are closely regulated to maintain safe levels, thought yes the CDC openly acknowledges that there may be trace amounts in some vaccines. There is more than 2 times as much mercury in 1 6oz serving of white chunk canned tuna then there has been found in vaccines.
dragonamt 1 year ago
@dragonamt Yes that's true, but you would know that you can change the bodies chemical balance by mixing a concoction of compounds right?
amanwithdreams 1 year ago
@amanwithdreams The body has it's systems in place, but the vaccines by-pass these systems sometimes. For example, Chicken pox is caught/transmitted through the respiratory system, yet a vaccine goes straight into the blood system which will effect the liver.
Fear mongering works really well on the population. I don't have those fears. Your immunes system if fully primed will work wonders.
amanwithdreams 1 year ago
@amanwithdreams like I said though, hypothetical situations aside, I don't care about what your family does. It does set me off, however, when people try to discredit sound logic with bogus pseudoscience like you did. I don't deny there have been legitimate cases as recent as 1972 when a new vaccine was introduced and killed 25 people, but the flu kills 30,000 people in the United States every year. The CDC can confirm both these statements. You may make any conclusion you wish from the data
dragonamt 1 year ago
@dragonamt 1972, come on, just last year there was a case of someone dying here in Australia from the cervical cancer vaccine, also two more in Europe, but they never contribute it to the vaccine. They cannot afford to.
At the end of the day, I don't believe anything which has an artificial chemical compound which is not found naturally in food and processed through a natural channel can be good for your body and mind.
amanwithdreams 1 year ago
@amanwithdreams Like I said, we aren't going to convince each other of anything so I am done. feel free to have the last word. I have more pressing issues and rather regret getting into this nonsense. If you'll excuse me, I have some C13 NMR results to interpret of some unknown alkyl halides. toddles.
dragonamt 1 year ago
@dragonamt Sorry for going on here, just one more point. I would never take the risk by vaccinating my children, even if there was only a 0.01% risk factor. Try telling the parents of babies/children they had which were normal pre-vaccination and then completely change or develop Autism after, that they did the right thing. Can it be proven, not yet, do they believe that was the cause, yes. For me the risk was too high. Any amount of side effect is too much for me to take a gamble on.
amanwithdreams 1 year ago
@amanwithdreams but the point is, that data is from legitimate sources. When you can cite legitimate peer reviewed sources, you can comment on my postings and I will gladly reconsider my statement/personal views on any subject, in any field. As a scientist myself, I have to be open minded and be willing to accept I am wrong, but I can only do that when hard evidence is provided from statistics or a reproducible experiment is presented.
dragonamt 1 year ago
@dragonamt Agreed.
amanwithdreams 1 year ago
@amanwithdreams I agree, the conversation we are having is priceless, and by your degree of literacy I must conclude you are educated to some degree, so then, lets review your most recent sources. As I have said, Brunnel was a good source, a little out of date, but very valid. There is where your good sources end. Dr. Carly MD is not an MD, doctors do not diagnose over skype. Douglas is ONLY referenced in sites such as freerepublic, biblebelievers (WHO killed Africa? News to me) etc.
dragonamt 1 year ago
@amanwithdreams This video had nothing to do with the influenza vaccination, nor at any point did I say people should be vaccinated, in fact at the time this video was posted there was no vaccine for H1N1. No doubt, not everyone necessarily needs to be vaccinated. Vaccination should never be forced, people can make there own decisions, though I do think it is better if they are well informed with the the facts, not fictitious pseudoscience of nearly 4 decades ago.
dragonamt 1 year ago
@amanwithdreams The vaccination was not introduced until well after massive infection as is evident through military documentation. McBean was an anti vaccine activist in the 70's. In fact there is no record of her supposed Ph D. (and even if she really had one, she still would not have been a doctor). Go to college and learn to do real research, stop confusing the ignorant masses with your ludicrous claims.
dragonamt 1 year ago
Even if you get it, unless you're a small child, have some condition or are elderly, it's not the end of the world. You'll be sick for a few days, then you'll continue to live. Don't be stupid.
kittie93 1 year ago
h1n1 is fake
MrAsda96 1 year ago
*sigh* more sugar-coated fearmongering...
Barackhenaten 1 year ago
Oh great,.. now mythbusters are not only technical engineers but virologists as well.
DefendYourFreedom 1 year ago
look like fools now, don't 'ya?
th86stone 1 year ago
the flu was sprayed on mexico in early 2009 via chemtrails
loofens 1 year ago
If the border was closed we wouldn't have this pig sick problem
QUESTED 1 year ago
Wrong, H1N1 has been around for a long time, atleast the early 1900s and had struck Europe and America before. It struck in the form of the Spanish flue(In Europe) in 1918 killing atleast 50 million. And killed 13 soldiers in New Jersey, Fort Dix in 1976 and infected people in Russia(1977-1978). The virus is merely spreading it's territory as to what it can infect. Not saying borders should be open, but don't blame the Mexicans for the swine-flu and don't use that for political points.
metalmosh6 1 year ago
In fact, one of the most widely accepted theories of the origin of the Spanish Flu is that it came from Fort Riley, Kansas. In Fort Riley, they bred swine and poultry and served them as food for troops. During that time(1918 towards the end of WW1), the US troops were spread across Europe, inluding Spain. Swine/poultry+US troops+Spain=Spanish Flu killing 50 to 100 million people, sorry to burst your bubble but Mexico isn't in the equation, and its not like Viruses care about a border wall LOL
metalmosh6 1 year ago
@metalmosh6 "In fact, one of the most widely accepted theories" This is a myth, not a theory. Theories must be based on facts. Please state these facts and cite the sources. Please cite sources where this myth was found to be 'widely accepted'
dischordia23 1 year ago
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IRIarteVEDA 1 year ago
lol there is no myth just stay home
raymondtyn 1 year ago
nice channel
k3visathailand 1 year ago
haha gotta love the high-speed.
AdobeExcel 1 year ago
cool channel
thaiembassy 1 year ago
The US website, VAERS, has published statistics of adverse reactions on ONLY ONE of the swine flu vaccines:
Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine
The most recent, May 7, 2010
11,029 reports
833 classified as "Serious Health Events" -defined as, "life-threatening or death, major disability, abnormal conditions at birth, hospitalization, or extension of existing hospitalization"
56 US deaths, all "under investigation"
VAERS is required to report on ALL flu vaccines, yet only report this one.
silkcat51 1 year ago
Pigs Flew.
TheSremmos 1 year ago
How do you know it was swine flu?
If you are a healthy person with a strong immune system would it be that unusual not to contract the flu?
exposefraud 1 year ago
look up thimerosal.... if you think putting multiple times the toxic amount of mercury in your blood stream is the best way to stay healthy, then by all means run down to your local supermarket and get your free shot. We americans love free shit don't we?
frazier36 1 year ago
@frazier36
Thimerosal is a preservative which is ethylmercury and not methylmercury, ethylmercury is out of your system very quickly unlike methylmercury which bioaccumulates and causes long term damage.
Secondly because of people paranoid of it even though it's shown to be safe for decades you have the option of getting vaccines without thimerosal.
We Americans like our fact checking much don't we?
garith21 1 year ago
@garith21
Oh wow, I'm convinced, how about you come over to my house and inject some vaccines into my arm for me? Before you fire back some well-informed response do a search for this pdf file and read it in full: A REVIEW OF THIMEROSAL (MERTHIOLATE) AND ITS ETHYLMERCURY
BREAKDOWN PRODUCT: SPECIFIC HISTORICAL CONSIDERATIONS
REGARDING SAFETY AND EFFECTIVENESS
It's cool if you still feel safe taking the vaccine, but your facts do not line up with my facts.
frazier36 1 year ago
@frazier36
Did you read nothing in my first post? Not only has it been proven to be a safe preservative for decades and has had multiple studies on it but you can get vaccines without thimerosal entirelly. Are you so brainwashed you can't even read entire responses or do you just pick out phrases and then arbitrarily assume you know everything that was said?
garith21 1 year ago
@frazier36
I should also point out if you read some of those studies, they indicate something we already know, mercury will poison over a long period of time, a few of these papers are giving periodic doses far higher than you'd find in vaccines and giving daily injections. Mercury poisoning does damage in the long term and exposure such as this is very different than in any vaccine regime.
garith21 1 year ago
@garith21
The man who invented 18 of the 14 vaccines considered essential Maurice Hilleman (credited with saving more lives than any other scientist in the 19th century) says vaccines are dangerous and carry tertiary diseases and can cause cancer.
Who am I going to trust garith21? You're ignorant ass or the fucking guy who pretty much invented vaccines? I think I'll go with the latter. Have a nice day.
TheSremmos 1 year ago
@TheSremmos
1) Even if he did say that, where's the evidence and your source? I would be very interested in seeing the peer reviewed papers on the matter.
2) The closest thing I can find supporting your claim is the SV-40 tainting in some of the polio vaccines during the 50's and that's only the tainted vaccines, do you have any actual papers or what?
garith21 1 year ago
@garith21
1) You didn't say anything about it but I did not mean to be insulting to you. My apologies.
2) Search "Merck Vaccine Chief
3) 30% of all doctors in UK refuse H1N1 vaccine.
4) type "Merck Vaccine Chief Brings" (first result)
36,000 people a year die of the flue. How many died of the swine flu? US 'predicted 30 to 90k in April 09. Actual deaths? 14,286 (worldwide) 3,642 (US).
Not worth ethynol mercury and squalene in my system. H1N1 was rushed onto the market, insufficient testing.
TheSremmos 1 year ago
@TheSremmos
1) I still find the same types of sources dealing with SV-40
2) Um, okay how is this a peer reviewed study?
3) That's nice but a "feeling" that SV-40 might cause cancer which is a virus taint and not in normal vaccines and while it did cause cancer in hamsters shows no evidence of causing cancer in people.
4) How many didn't die due to being vaccinated? I guess you can't factor that in can you?
garith21 1 year ago
@garith21
You assert that I need peer reviewed studies to believe that the vaccination is unsafe but this is simply untrue. Safety must be demonstrated, public confidence in the vaccine is the responsibility of the creators of said vaccine and those who would have it administered. The burden of proof of the safety of H1N1 vaccine is not on me, Garith21, and this is where your logic is fallacious and a straw man.
That said:
"Antibodies to squalene in Gulf War syndrome." in google.
TheSremmos 1 year ago
@TheSremmos
5) That would be ethyl mercury, also you can get the H1N1 or any flu vaccine without thimerosal if you so choose. Squalene is for improving the immune response.
6) I'll take your response as "I don't have anything but that video and don't actually have any peer reviewed studies"? or do you actually have any studies that support your claim.
garith21 1 year ago
@garith21 and from that study "the substantial majority (95%) of overtly ill deployed GWS patients had antibodies to squalene. All (100%) GWS patients immunized for service in Desert Shield/Desert Storm who did not deploy, but had the same signs and symptoms as those who did deploy, had antibodies to squalene. In contrast, none (0%) of the deployed Persian Gulf veterans not showing signs and symptoms of GWS have antibodies to squalene."
TheSremmos 1 year ago
@garith21 and additionally, i will listen to the medical professionals all across the world who say it's unsafe over the FDA which brought about Monsanto GM food (studies DO show it leads to organ failure) and the WHO.
My safety is more important than your opinion on what is and is not healthy. Go get vaccinated, that's your choice.
If someone tells me to jump off a cliff I don't do it unless I'm confident that it's safe, I don't let someone say "prove it's not" and then jump off. lol
TheSremmos 1 year ago 6
@TheSremmos
1) Yet you won't listen to the larger majority that does say it is safe, selective hearing much?
2) Yet there's many studies showing it's safe, you're asserting it's not with anecdotal evidence. It's like saying "hey most people and studies show that disease is caused by germs but there's some others that say it's caused by demons so I'm believing the demon guys"
garith21 1 year ago
@garith21 4) How many didn't die due to being vaccinated? I guess you can't factor that in can you?
Who knows? I know people who caught it, both vaccinated and un-vaccinated. All survived and reported similar symptoms.
TheSremmos 1 year ago
@TheSremmos
4) woo anecdotal evidence.
5) Correlation automatically means causation? By that logic everyone that has had a vaccine should have GWS and it should be shown in the general population right?
6) "Cytokine storms are NOT specific to H1N1 you should not be implying that that they are btw"
a) never said they were
b) I merely pointed out that it happens with H1N1 where it wouldn't with seasonal flu.
garith21 1 year ago
@garith21
Again, consumer confidence is not based on "proving it's unsafe" it works the opposite. I am not confident in the safety of the H1N1 Vaccine, you have done nothing to successfully change that view. Yes, the guy that invented 8 of the 14 most important vaccines IS credible enough to tell me that they are unsafe and for me to believe him over you.
Like I said, you have done nothing to convince me that H1N1 vaccine is safe.I don't jump off a cliff because I can't 'prove' its unsafe.
TheSremmos 1 year ago
@TheSremmos
1) He was referring to a polio vaccine during the 50's which may have been tainted with a virus at no point even during this supposed interview does he state "all vaccines" or the "H1N1 vaccine cause cancer"
2) There have been many studies over many decades showing it is safe, what you're doing is the equivalent of asserting, "no one's proved that typing in front of a computer is safe therefore I won't type at a computer" =P
garith21 1 year ago
@TheSremmos
See when there's many decades of study saying that vaccines are safe and then you assert "they're not safe" I want something to back up that claim when there's an abundant amount of evidence and study from many independent labs. When there's abundant evidence to the opposite of what you're asserting it does require some justification outside of really bad assumptions that I've pointed out time and time again.
garith21 1 year ago
@garith21 yet you are providing me with none of this, i'm just supposed to take you word for it? There are studies that suggest links with Gulf War Syndrome to vaccination (specifically Anthrax).
You've pointed nothing out, you've said "show me studies!" (and I did) and then you dismissed it, demanded more studies, said you had studies on your side and referenced nothing.
So far you've convinced me with nothing but hot air assurance and promises. Old vaccines are not the H1N1 vaccine btw.
TheSremmos 1 year ago
@TheSremmos
1) You pointed to a study that stated that antibodies for a particular additive and I responded that correlation is not causation and the logic follows that if that caused it you would expect it in the population which we don't observ.
2) Which vaccines do you want peer reviewed studies for? The fact that they have been used for decades on millions of people with no significant side effects should say something, but clearly you want more
garith21 1 year ago
@TheSremmos
"Old vaccines are not the H1N1 vaccine btw."
Duh, but the additives are the same and you're complaining about the additives, one of which you have options of getting vaccines without and the other you assert that because squaline antibodies are found in test subjects of a small study that it indicates it's a cause of GWS when you'd expect that in the population if it were remotely true.
Move the goal posts more please
garith21 1 year ago
@TheSremmos
I should also point out that estimate is based on lab confirmed cases, the estimated cases due to death tolls and poor flu like symptom reporting and comparisons of previous seasons is anywhere from 8000-17000 deaths from H1N1 related complications in the US
Also the 36,000 is based on complications due to the flu not just the flu it's self
One should also point out that many healthy people died from H1N1 that don't die of normal flu due to cytokine storm
garith21 1 year ago
@garith21 search: /pubmed/10640454
in google
It was a safety concern for entire nations but you expect me to take it based on your reassurances, it's laughable. Cytokine storms are NOT specific to H1N1 you should not be implying that that they are btw. If you die due to cytokine storm that is a "related complication." Funny how that only counts for the regular flue to you.
TheSremmos 1 year ago
@frazier36
I should also point out that there have been studies done where people took around 1000 times the amount of thimerosol that a person would experience with a vaccine shot with no adverse side effects and it was out of their system in a relatively short amount of time. Then again I suppose you're the type that sees "mercury" or "radiation" and assume it's all bad with no difference
garith21 1 year ago
high-speed cam FTW
blarghonk25 1 year ago
lol, that was effin nasty
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
"its no myth" hehe jamie rules
NationalSocialist14 1 year ago
best ever: Stay home if ur sick!!!!
Grondalist 1 year ago 5
I am in the military and i do not want the shot either. Trying to find means to be excluded from it. Or i guess i'll get busted down lol.
bleedforme1981 1 year ago 2
i was hoping like a "there is no myth... IDIOT!!"
hkusp9 1 year ago
pfft. i had the swine flu.. i also have asthma and an allergy to ragweed, there were ragweeds growing up the side of my house... and i didnt even need to go to the holspital once.. naturally got over it using only aspirin..
its hyped up shit... thats what it is... i did however cause lung damage... thats the only bad thing.. got cool WEEK off of school..
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lairjo 1 year ago
there is a pending investigation on the makers of the swine flu vaccine. I guess it is alleged that the pharma company that created the vaccine used their political and media connections to hype up the severity of H1N1, so they could sell a very large amount of their vaccine.. Now, alot of countries paid alot of money with the intention of vaccinating its citizens while these criminal perpetrate a false pandemic. Serious charges methinks.. btw, my daughter had swine flu and was fine after 2 days
bumtownallstars 2 years ago
mythbusters! <3
poepoeske 2 years ago
our little microscopic friends will come back with a vengeance. search.......The Decline And Fall Of The Human Race.
flashrewind 2 years ago
OK folks. I've asked doctors, pharmacists, nurses & drug companies how many of those who died from the H1N1 virus were vaccinated, and guess what. NOBODY KNOWS.
And do you know why they don't know such-easy-to gather information?
Obviously the news is not good. We hear about deaths, but not about the raw numbers, the hard facts, the real science that proves that the vaccine either works or it doesn't.
Anyway, all you sheep can now go back to sleep.
indoctus41 2 years ago
I work in a lab, in a hospital
you are right
also swine flu is just bird flu ( avian flu) in green
the next flu will be made up by the media at some point
maybe hamster flu
Ishidasouken 2 years ago 25
@Ishidasouken dick flu
1MinDLesS1 1 year ago
@Ishidasouken or the more likely krypton flu
countpopethe3rd 1 year ago
@Ishidasouken yup and ascorbic acid in massive dosages is the cure.
tonythesom 1 year ago
説得力がありすぎる動画。
kntr2 2 years ago
I had the vaccine three weeks ago, and then lost all free will, posted government slogans on websites, then two weeks ago I died! But it was okay because even though I was in the woods the GPS they put in at the same time helped cops find the body. And then birds ate my corpse and the vaccine killed them too! And those were sold at KFC and the passed vaccine killed the entire state of New York, no one alive anymore! Just because one person got the vaccine! The horror!
Some people are idiots...
Loravyre 2 years ago
Ya same here, except I was in California until I died. Now my ashes are floating in the Pacific.
AmiableAdder 2 years ago
yea like u
soundman420 1 year ago
fck the vaccine, i was exposed to 2 people on 2 diff occasions, both had swine flu and im fine. all u need is vit C and fish oil. and oh by the way, i work in a convenience store and am exposed to hundreds of people per day and their filthy money.
Bobthe24 2 years ago 9
@Bobthe24
Vitamin C and fish oil don't do anything to improve your immunity. Some people just have higher immunities than others. Vaccines are recommended for those with known immunological disorders, the weak and the elderly. The best way for average Joe to avoid contracting the flu/giving it to others is washing your hands and covering your mouth when you cough or sneeze.
dunnowhathuh 1 year ago
@dunnowhathuh
Well, it's frankly better if everyone gets vaccinated since vaccines have a reduced effect in those groups since it uses your immune system, there's also groups that can't get vaccinated for certain things due to personal conditions and their only protection is herd immunity. Focusing on the medical community and people that deal with high volumes of people first.
garith21 1 year ago
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pick8lock 1 year ago
I saw this one it was confirmed
MrBasketballz 2 years ago
lmao wow
pnailen 2 years ago
Son los mejores!
MrAtermis 2 years ago
haha really funny but i can take out more juice when i have cold .. i know i know but its best reflex protecting system that ever body has come up with, when dealing with respiratory congestion.
kutaro13 2 years ago
I Love this commercial hahaha! =D
Spianist22 2 years ago
The h1n1 flue is as real as any flue.and as deadly as the common flue the cdc hasn't tested a single flue case since july. Why's that?
yogagirl67 2 years ago
jamie tells the truth:D
Dannykun91 2 years ago
I saw this one it was confirmed lol
MrBasketballz 2 years ago
Okey here are the facts: Today it's better for a person to be an unemployed loser like me, because at home is the best way to stay healthy.
1+1=3 you see? Don't university for this one, okey I'm a master of science but okey.
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koshimui 2 years ago
I have H1N1 and just spent the last 2 hours at my local Wal-Mart spitting on shopping cart handles and produce
ruffbmw 2 years ago
HADOUUUKEN!!
irwintorres727 2 years ago
H1N1 is the best thing that happend to humans. Soon enough we'll all be dead. We dont deserve to live.
eric71 2 years ago
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hahahahah u have really sad life
i love to laugh at people like u
i know 3 of them hahaha u'll die alone
fekibass 2 years ago
Who are you too judge? Is that seriously you in your videos by the way?
eric71 2 years ago
what videos ? i didn't uploaded any.
but your life sucks...
fekibass 2 years ago
My bad, I thought you were that freak in the singing vid you favourited.
How does my life suck btw? How do you know me so well? Staaaaaalker? Im flattered xP
eric71 2 years ago
I never had any flu shots or vaccinations and never will. These guys are right, if people are so paranoid about getting the fucking swine flu...
Stay home,or close down the schools...the news just bullshits us all with their ''scare tactics''
TheNiggies2012 2 years ago
I had a cold and to most people that is "swine flu" our government are retarded
GuysSeriously 2 years ago
YOU HAVE SWINE FLU!!!!!!!!!!!
eric71 2 years ago
Oh yes the vaccines are TOTALLY SAFE! That must be why the federal government has over ONE BILLION dollars set aside in a "Vaccine Injury Trust Fund".
See my blog with over 50 documented "adverse reactions" to the H1N1 vaccine.
vaccine-reactions(dot)blogspot(dot)com/
PigFli 2 years ago
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agapa123 2 years ago
There's a pandemy in some areas of my country. All wear masks, it looks like that the end of the world is here. :D The swine flu is like the seasonal flu, but it has more complications and you have to call a doctor faster, not taking treatments yourself. I think we don't need so much panic...
lusiplushy94 2 years ago
фу блять
blast4332007 2 years ago
Now, being that as it may, we should ask ourselves. What in the name of God are they adding into that vaccine that can't be good for pregnant women but is apparently fine for myself?
It's a simple case of the media blowing things out of proportion to try and scare the public.
It's all for the sake of keeping us shut up and paranoid. =/
authoritydisorder 2 years ago 3
As I understand it, the whatever-it-is doesn't hurt the woman, rather it has potential to harm the developing fetus--the way alcohol does.
Nackles 2 years ago
Honestly, I don't think anyone should take this shot. I myself don't trust it because it has not been extensively tested on humans yet. They performed 1 TEST on 100 people in Europe. Also, it's impossible for them to actually TEST the vaccine extensively because each year the Flu develops new strains and therefore becomes a totally different mutation.Remember the Avian Flu?
Also, a different version of the shot is being distributed to pregnant women.
authoritydisorder 2 years ago
I find it hilarious how everyone reacts in a frenzy because of what they hear from the media. No one thinks for themselves anymore which is quite sad.
High risk groups should get the shot but healthy people don't need this crap. If you normally don't get the flu and/or the shot, no sense in starting now.
racergonemad99 2 years ago
Funny how this video can turn into a debate about globalization. At least no one has called anyone Hitler...yet
RoyReal 2 years ago
Reltih
kyle7566 2 years ago
Dr. Oz does not want his 4 kids to get the H1N1 shot!
EssiacHempLaetrile 2 years ago
h1n1 is a very weak virus. Its not even as strong as normal flu. And the nasal vaccine has live virus, and will spread it.
IlluminatiSeer 2 years ago
lol. that's why in my home town there's 88 severe cases of h1n1 and 2 have died yesterday.....
harbeh 2 years ago
severe cases? how severe? how can a flu that is weaker than normal flu be severe? well because the news told you so. about 14x more people die from normal seasonal flu every year. Just remember dont smile or make eye contact, or you may be a terrorist of have swine flu :) by the way were not swine, we are humans. It should be called human flu eh?
Why do you think that the news inst telling you about the deaths from the vaccines? Im just saying your only getting one side of the story :)
IlluminatiSeer 2 years ago
I said it before and I'll say it again. The best way to keep yourself from getting H1N1 or whatever the hell we're calling it now is... to not watch the news.
jasonsgroovemachine 2 years ago 25
@jasonsgroovemachine Im glad other people are awake to this crap too. The H1N1 vaccines are more deadly than the flu itself with the mercury and thimerisol in it.
Metallicafan6611 1 year ago
@Metallicafan6611 You're aware that the original source for the "thiomersal-causes-autism" argument was convicted of scientific fraud, right?
jackiechanrpm 1 year ago
@Metallicafan6611 Unless you are someone like me, who's body isnt as strong against disease, and can be killed by the common flu. In which case, it would be safer. Actually, your comment has little to no proof to back it up. Perfectly healthy people were killed by this because they didnt treat it.
Chark711 1 year ago
lol gl... Im having h1n1 atm and it fells like a normal flue...
darkside935 2 years ago
Obama will kill more people than the H1N1 will.
slammah2012 2 years ago
i love how about half a year ago everyone loved obama
now hes a nazi and gonna kill everyone
what happened?
brushedred4 2 years ago
eyes opened...
slammah2012 2 years ago
ignorant eyes opened
obama is amazing and (coming from a canadian) his government health care is what you all need.
no offence to americans at all but obama is doing good
brushedred4 2 years ago
Obama sucks....(coming from a Canadian)...He is killing both of our economies...both He and Stephen Harper are joined at the Anus....and I guess you are somewhere in the middle...
As long as Canada and The US allow theives like the IMF to steal our resources...there is no path other than the frikken bottom....It will take a wheelbarrow full of toonies to buy that poutine mon frere...and its the continuation of the awful busch regime that blinds you....salut
slammah2012 2 years ago
let me guess
quebecor peice of shit?
I ( a canadian SOLDIER) think you are an uneducated inbred chicken shit mother fucker and your mothers only true quality to be a mother is a womb which she uses to catch sperm from passing truck drivers.
brushedred4 2 years ago
You seem to like guessing wrong... dont you?
People who support Nation dissolving globalists like Harper, Dionne, Bush, Obama and our separatist lugans are a disgrace to what the Canadian Uniform stands for....
DND issue the Best damn Kit you will see in modern combat; others would drool over it..
But foreign policy based on globalization is not based in our Nations best intrest...so before you toot the proud Canadian horn, you better explore what purpose you serve to Canada...
slammah2012 2 years ago
globalization? where do you get your info from. were still picking up the peices to the shithole bush started. obama and harper are taking amazing steps towards that. and what does our kit have to do with it. i know we have amazing kit, i wouldnt call it the best in modern warfare at all, but it is amazing. our soldiers stand for our country no matter who leads it becuase in the end we work for the citizens.
brushedred4 2 years ago
Globalization is when you sell your security of the person for somebody elses prosperity....
Our SPP agreement with the States is a sell out of our countries assets....
There is no change with Obama....
Mr Nobel Peace prize will bow to the global Carbon gods and give them the governance control they already assumed...
We need to drop our "G7" moniker...Kick the IMF out of Canada and Return to the Bank of Canada as the creater of our Currency.... so we dont plunge with the US dollar
slammah2012 2 years ago
So far he's shown his incompetance, dishonesty and not much positive action, that's pretty much hat happened.
The "love" for a politician is almost always blind. He tells ppl what they want to hear and they(like sheep) follow him unconditionally. Those who are precommitted to leftists causes will love him and those who are committed to right wing ideals will not.
There is very little objectivity involved...
regelemihai 2 years ago
stoopid people liked obama half a year ago...he is the same piece of shit bush was....we knew that before someone gave him the house
slammah2012 2 years ago
This crap just hit Finland too, news have gone wild "promoting" and advising everyone to take this immunisation.
These medical corporations make millons from these, altought in my case citizens get it free, but government pays it from taxmoney.
First death of H1N1 in Finland also happened today.
TuPP3 2 years ago
How many people have died from Swine Flu this year. Let's see. The figure is probably marginally higher than the number of people killed from eating peanuts. However it is a lot fewer than the amount of people who have died from smoking related diseases, and a lot less than the number of people killed on the roads, and a lot less than the number of people killed in those illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. But I don't hear anyone declaring any "National Emergency" over that.
theguen 2 years ago 3
more people drown in bathtubs....but I dont se them handing out snorkles to stinky people...
slammah2012 2 years ago
now thats funny.
itsbenjamin 2 years ago
I think the concern is the rate at which people are dying. not the comparison of total amount...
harbeh 2 years ago
I Thawt People Sneezed out there noses!?!!
TEKM0SIS 2 years ago