It is about Loyalty to Jehovah, not the men. Jehovah uses this route (JWs) - people have freewill, they are not controlled, predetermined or pre destined. Jehovah has a purpose (not plan) that will be accomplished. The route to that accomplishment can include men going different routes, not in the sense they are all and always right, but in the sense they will not de-rail Gods purpose. We need to stick loyally to God and his arrangement because He is not limited as men are. Endurance - Faith.
@AnonDude2 well no. And if you want to have a word argument, you will at least not lose. But if your really want the answer, here's a piece: When Israel was in a special relationship with God, they insisted on earthly Kings. Sometimes, those kings led the nation into Baal worship and worse. At that time, faithful common Israelites suffered as God removed His blessing. Did that mean that Israel was no longer in a special relationship with God, that the People should "move out"? No....
@Fizzypop1211 ...they had to continue being loyal and faithful, enduring this situation whilst it was worked out - prophets tried to adjust the kings (e.g. David) or where unsuccessful, the Kings were removed. We as mere humans in the matter do not have the right to question Gods method or timing in making such adjustments as the free will of other men is acted upon, or even be indignant over anything we have to put up with. We are owed nothing. But we owe loyalty, and Faith that God will fix it
@Fizzypop1211 Your comparison with people not leaving the nation of Isreal back then is not the same. Back then Gods people had to stay as part of that system because of the temple arrangement but since Christ that has all been done away with. You are suffering under the mistaken belief that God once again is working thru an earthly "nation" of sorts. Today faith and endurance is in Christ alone and cannot be muddied by comprimise with manmade affiliations.
@Awake2theWatchtower it is not the same, but it is similar; the typical, or literal, arrangements of physical earthly Israel are superseded by what it all pointed to - the antitypical, the spiritual. So Jesus shall we say concluded the earthly Israel arrangements and instigated covenants for spiritual Israel - part of that means gentiles like me are invited to the party, but there would still be order, congregations, a channel to direct the primary work Jesus commanded - of evangelizing. Do you?
@Fizzypop1211 What does 'evangelizing' entail? Is there more then one way? And if there isn't, does it really matter? Can you be declared righteous by works? The comparison is valid. But a better way to approach it would have been using God's judgement of Israel. He abandoned them. God did not support the Israelites who supported wrongdoing. So why would he support individual Witnesses who support wrongdoing knowingly? Is it not a greater sin to do something wrong knowingly?
@AnonDude2@anissueofursincerity Dealing with Evangelizing / how, which you both raise, the answer is surely found int he example and instructions of the Master, Jesus, not any argument over ancient words? Jesus expended himself, literally spent all his perfect energy going to people at their villages and homes. He gave large discourses (on the Mount) and 1-2-1 - the Samaritan woman at the well (yes, even to women) along with miracles to establish his authority for starting the "new" religion.
@Fizzypop1211 Jesus commanded his followers to do this at Matt.28:18-20. He had given them the example how, he had taught them by being with them "in the front line" and encouraged them to go off in two's to assist each other. The Apostle Paul (who followed Jesus) conducted a similar style ministry. I am sure you know this. So without arguing about the methods (I agree, there are many aspects to evangelizing) - answer me please, WHO else / preaches as Jesus commanded, / pointing to Gods purpose?
First of all, I like your questions and the way you present them.
Well, I grew up in the "truth" and since three years now I´m an evil apostate (with double-life).
My answer as JW would be: Even if you know that some doctrin is not true you can be sure that Jehova will correct it when it is time, but don´t question it because you would endanger the most valuable thing: unity!
Jesus would not have been accepted during his time if he had not told the Jews he was from their god Jehovah. Their forefathers had been severely punished by going under slaverly to other countries,like asseryia or bablyon, for serving other gods, They did not forget this, the Jews have never been unfaithful to Jehovah as their God since then,they Just did not accept Jesus as his son.but they still today worship only Jehovah if they are still a Jew, and have not accepted Jesus.research this.
@bgillard12 (Your 1st Para) - that's an interesting proposition. Of course, your comment doesn't allow for them to remember that Jehovah had taught them on many occasions that they could invalidate their worship however holy they felt they were, by disregarding Jehovah's requirements in another area. A good example is sacrifice. Jehovah allowed them to bring according to their wealth, but they abused this by offering up sick and blind on the cheap. Disowning Gods prophets (&son) never went well
true balance Jesus was born a jew and as a Jew he worshiped at Jehovahs temple as a Jew all of his life,as the other jews did, who was waiting on the messiah that Jehovah had promised to send them.Jesus consistently used Jehovahs name, but it was taken out of the scriptures and replaced by lord, as the Jews considered the name to sacred to pronounce, but he always used his fathers name as he said "Father I have made your name know and i will continue to make it known.to those you have gave me.
How wonderful that he did this to let him be born a human and have our understanding of why we do things, because Jehovah is not a human as we are, he is a spirit, and he says his thoughts are higher than ours,, he does not think as we do. but lovingly he let his son, become one of us so he is able as the bible says explaine us to god. and as messiah, able to plead for our lives for us to god. he could just kill us all and start over. Like in Noahs day.
truebalance Jesus was sent to us just as moses was sent to the Jews, to help Jehovah understand us, If not for Moses out in the wilderness Jehovah would have destroyed the jews, and as he said, make from Moses a great people for his name, but Moses pleaded their case for them and god did not destroy them, also is Jesus our mediator or (lawyer) today, to help Jehovah understand us, this is why he was born as a human so that he is able to plead for us .as jehovah do not think as we do.
Jesus was the one who said millions now living will never die at all, not JWS, we just had to figure out what he was talking about, but in revelations when it talks about the great crowd, who had on white robes we realized that it was talking about the last days and the millions who would live on into the new world without ever dying, that is the only thing we were ever taught.
All my brothers and sisters agree on this teaching, millions now living will live on thru armageddon and not be destroyed. The bible says, "when ever Moses is read(the bible) even down till today, a veil lies over their heart(a lack of understanding Gods word.) but when there is a turning to Jehovah the veil is taken away.}, you may have been a witness, but you do not accept Jehovah, you will never understand the bible. he is not going to let you.
truebalance I will look for a copy of this book, but i remember the title so I must have studied it. But I still say, the lesson I learned and was taught by JWS was that people in the last days, would live thru armageddon, and would never die at all, they would live on into this new system that Jehovah promised us thru his son christ Jesus our Lord and savior. I have never been taught anything else in 45 years. I dont know how you are interpreting the book, but I know what I was taught.
That is actually a good question ,good point u have. I grew up a jw n questioning what it didn't make sense to me was out of the question (no pun intended) . Stuff like why can't I wear a beard ? Or celebrate my birthday god is the originator of life its supposed to be a good thing.
Another thing to remember is jesus himself says you cannot come to me unless the father draws you, and you cannot come to the father except you come thru me (Jesus) who is the anti christ, he who denies the father....or the son....this one is the antichrist You must accept both, or you are against both.
I am like the old borean people in the bible I dont take anybodys word for anything, I always ready several versions of the bible to see if every word is true, By the way You are the one who needs to do research, the Jews have always called Jehovah by this name, They were a religion before the catholics were, I suggest you do yor research, Jewish friends of mine have always told me they serve no one( including Jesus), but Jehovah, Jews in jerusalem say their gods name is Jehovah,
@bgillard12 "jehovah" isnt a jewish name. its not even a translated name, its an invention. I find it mor interesting, JESUS didnt hardly EVER use the name JEHOVAH, or YHWH actually, and he never mandated anyone TO use it. IT wasnt apart of the gospel as laid out by him, or the apostles, it wasnt required understanding or identification of true children of god CHRIST was however, and "christian" IS the word given by the spirit to hi followers. HEAVENLY FATHER was Jesus' term used.
@bgillard12 the father requires you to not look to him, look to his son. we arnt jews, . that ship has sailed,. we are to speak to, know, and come to CHRIST, not JEHOVAH directly. a cursory reading of the new testament leaves no room for any other way to look at it.The fixation with using a proper noun made up by a catholic monk, of two words, YHWH( not even a known name) and adonai( LORD), is about as foolish as the jews using YHWH int he first place for fear of saying the divine
@TruthBalance alos, something absurd I never understood... JEHOVAH is clearly not God's REAL name , its an english concoction, etc. we all know this, even if you think its the best way to say it, youknow its NOT it. its lord mixed with YHWH. this was done to have some way to reference the NAME, withoutknowing thename. so, why the attack on using LORD in all bibles? its the same practice! its meant to say gods name, without knowing it, and, JEHOVAH is LORD mixed with YHWH! crazy
the issue is this, anything or one who teaches you that christ is not ur mediator or savoiur, an draws u way from him an puts themselves in his place an say follow me an listen to everyword cause its true truly satans org, remember, he keeps transforming himeself into an angle of light. JWs r just as crooked as all the rest behind seens, u talking to 35 yrs exp with it here, so an jws who say diff, lets read the bible instead of a mag, an then we can talk.
Of course I dont expect to be persecuted by the Elders, but lets face it The bible says the whole world is lying in the power of the devil, He can use anyone Almighty God allowes him to, to be tested in any kind of way, Sometimes the one who is persucuting you dont even know they are doing it. Satan is a powerful spirit creature, No one can stop him but God.
You can take the blood if you want to. but Gods words warnes these Elders, "If I place you as a watchman then you must warn the wicked one, if you dont he will die,in his error, but his blood I will ask back from your hands." this is why they warn us to keep us from losing Gods favor, and so we can be free from the blood guilt of all mankind/" they cant stop you from taking the blood but they can warn you.like paul said, he was free from the blood of all mankind, because he warned everyone.
You have never seen the corrupting influence one person can have on a whole organization, As jesus said it only takes one rotten apple to corrupt the whole bunch, lets tale eli the high priest of israels 2 sons, and their bad conduct which should have been stoned to death back then for it, instead eli would only complain to them not do what God told him to do, But God did it for him and at the same time eli lost his life also, but they corrupted the whole nation, with their conduct,
Levi merely gave his sons a talking to he did not do as he was suppose to as he loved his sons more than he loved God, this is one of the things that corrupted Israel.I have seen some come back in and they keep getting DIF over and over again, and I have seen a whole congregation, closed down because of corrupting influence.We have young ones to care for who are easily influenced. this system is bad enough, we dont need trouble from within.
These groups of men who make these ones wait before letting them back to serve in harmony with the rest of us, also watch your conduct, as you improve, if they see anything in your conduct that will effect others in the congregation, the bible says keep the congregation clean for public service, thats a big responsibility, I would not like to have it. Remember Levi who put up with his sons bad conduct, it cost him to lose his life because they should have been stoned to death
If it was not for this govening body or my brothers and sisters I would not understand that a relationship was necessary, or that I had to get to know him.(God) like the ethiopian unice I did not understand the bible unless some one taught me. Here again 1st cor comes into play. We cannot learn Gods word on our own, that is not the way he work it.the brothers and sis ters must love us enough to help us, that is why we are dis of christ, following his example, and orders to make discip of people.
Can you email me the scriptures you are talking about, I have never read such a scripture, where they violated the blood law before, because of those circumstances, I would like to read them. as God Gave this law from the beginning, when Noah and his family were the first to start to eat meat, down to the new Christians, it was warned to stay free from blood. As the life was in the blood, and it belonged to God.
Seriously, I dont know that teaching . i was taught that the generation that saw 1914, would not all pass away, before the end came, but as the light kept getting brighter (our understand), we realized that Jesus was not talking about that generation at all, but he was talking about his faithful servans from Abel to the faithfuls in all generations down till the end.
Also let them remember Joseph who was imprisoned 12 years for something he did not do. Was it Satan who had him imprisoned so that he would turn from serving God, more than likely. as God warnes us that he is going around like a roaring lion seeking who he can devoir, and he can use anyone he chooses to stumble you. and make you stop, if you are not strong. But stop and think, why did God let this happen, maybe the DIF one needs to work on something within himself.
Know as I was saying about the wrongfully disfellowshipped one, Just as korah, and the other chieftains, were punished out in the wilderness, so was Moses and Aron, God is looking at each one of us. They did not ge into the promised land eith, learn to wait for God, We must gather together, we must learn love,patients, and the other things God is trying to teach us,The bible says this is not the real life, this is a testing period for all mankind, the real life is yet to come.
Why we have the old testament still. And of course he abonded those people, when they became corrupt, They had come to the point of offering up their children to the God Molec, they worshiped false God, but called on him in times of distress, You will be suprised today how many people are worshipping false Gods, But the thing is He had an organization, and he has one now, who is not afraid to bear his name. Even if they are flawed, they are still trying to serve him. all have sin.
@bgillard12 pls get his name right first, then maybe u have a claim to put in, u really only know what some else tells u, an the catholics came up with the jehovah, now find out why an do some research, ok
Korah had the law of Moses that God had given him and he knew that God had chosen Moses, he had seen all the water receed, all the pleagues brought on Egypt, I agree he was seeking advancement, So is anyone who wants to do what they want to do, even Jesus had to answer to Jehovah, we all have someone we have to answer to. An as I quoted before, the bible reminds us that those things happened to those people to warn us how to be and how not to be.What to do and what not to do.thats why .
The point I am trying to make is this let God handle his Elders and his servants, As 1st cor says " these things written before time were warnings and examples for us today. You let God correct them If they are not doing something right, we are not allowed to correct them, only God can, The Bible says otherwise we will be going against God himself not his elders.I have seen a lot of elders have to be removed or step down.Korah, Dathan, and Abiram challenged God when they challenged Moses,
Remember when Moses was the leader of Gods organization out in the wilderness, andkorah, dathan and abiram and 120 other leaders of the tribes did not like some of the laws and things he would tell them to do? they were so confident that they were right, that they stood before Jehovah to condem him, remember also what happened to them when they were destroyed that day, by being swallowed alive by the ground(earthquake) also remember God was also noticing Moses and aron They had to die there als
@bgillard12 The key differences with this situation are: (1) I have the Bible to aid me, Korah did not. (2) Korah and gang were seeking self aggrandizement, or self advancement trying to attain higher positions in life, (3) if I am wrong I invite the Governing Body to cry out and ask Jehovah to swallow me up. In any event fundamentally the comparison is flawed because it doesn't change the fact, or hurt my argument, that Jehovah abandoned Israel when they became corrupt.
The best way to deal with it is to move on and be done. I know you feel you are "exposing" them but it just makes you look bitter. I think every religion and church has their own disgruntled. That is why they move on and find another religion or just are done with religion in general. I've just never understood why anyone would spend so much time focused on a religion that they are done with.
Did you just disassated your self from JWS or are you disfellowshiped? My impression is that you disassosated yourself because of our teachings, am I right or wrong? forgive my spelling.
@bgillard12 No you're one of the few people who are right. I have never been disfellowshipped. I left because I can no longer justify going along with the religion because I feel it is a fundamental compromise of my Christianity.
There are plenty of other ways to treat a patient besides blood, but it means the difference between 5 minutes of giving blood, and 5 hours of doing something else. But today doctors will tell you that because of JWS they have had to become real doctors and learn to do things another way.a better way.
@bgillard12 in my research on statistics, the ones that fair the worst are women after giving birth. and car accidents. orthopedic does well with careful surgeons and the state of the art classes and info these surgeons get. and the nature of that ortho surgery itself.
@bgillard12 There are, and I agree that every alternative should be sought. But when it comes down to a life or death situation it is not a violation of Christian principles to take a blood transfusion. Even in the Mosaic Law under life and death circumstances the sabbath, eating of blood, and other laws could be broken with no guilt on the part of the individual.
Another thing about these blood issues, sometimes this can get rediclous, example, because my friend would not take blood, her doctor told her He was going to leave her in her room to die, Some of the friends kept bringing her grape juice to build up her blood, of course she got better, and when she got ready to leave the hospital on her own two feet her doctor turned his head and wouldnt speak to her,This type of thing is what causes people who dont know what else to do is what causes death.
@bgillard12 the Engleside Institute for Bloodless Surgery gives surgeons advice, doctor to doctor on helpful ways to work this. JW should know this and tell their doctor to call in advance if it is some surgery they know they are going to face.....
The point I am trying to make is this. the bible tells us how to protect ourselves from Satan, It called the suit of armour from God.When we take off this armour, we have left ourself open to satan just as eve did. If Gods word says shun him, are you willing to disobey and have satan attack you. I can tell you now, that I have taken off the armour many times by disobedience and I have had to pay for it. Even though I love my brother, I am not willing to face satan again.
About your friend look at it this way. He knows that no one can speak to him. It may seem unchristian like that Adam and Eve and all mankind has to get sick grow old and die, It sounds bad just because they ate a piece of fruit, but the thing is they broke Gods law, so we all have to suffer for it. I would still like to look like I was 18 years old and strong and fit, but because of what they did Iam sick I am old and about to die.
@bgillard12 Well I'm sorry that you're about to die. And one day that problem will be solved. In the meantime then shouldn't we be as loving to our fellow humans as we can? God is a God of love, and don't let any organization tell you how to have a relationship with him. Only one is your leader and teacher, that's Jesus. (Matthew 23:8-12) Not the Elders, not the Circuit Overseer, not the Bethelites, not the Governing Body. Jesus.
We still love the (dis) one, we are just trying to obey The bible.This is the way that the ancient Jews always treated one who were rebellious, by shunning. I have friends who are glad that we shunned them it brought them to their sences. a few years back time mag did an article on us and disfellowshipping. The only rebuttal they got was from (dis) ones telling them to leave us alone, as we were only obeying God, Time offered an apology to us.This is keeping the organization clean Gods law.
@bgillard12 Disfellowshipping is something we each must do with our own conscience. If you perceive one as rebellious and it damages your faith to be around him then by all means cease association. But you cannot speak for everyone, nor should you. I've seen too many DF'ed ones who are REPENTANT and are ACTIVELY trying to return be SHUNNED for 6 months, 1 year, 2 YEARS (sometimes) until a group of MEN decide what their heart condition is. That is cruel and unchristian, not loving.
If I have to die because of the blood issue, I will remain faithful to god as I have know relatives and friends of mine get some other dises after taken blood, which has cost them more pain then the original desease did, I watch my little newphew die in pain (which he did not have before taking the blood).no 3 year old should have to go thru this,It gave him a rare form of blood cancer only 5 people in the world had. I have seen them get hepatidis, from the blood and it almost killed them.
@bgillard12 And having surgery is a risk, and driving a car is a risk, and going into a public bathroom is a risk, and slouching in your chair is a risk, and taking medicine of ANY kind is a risk. When it comes down to it life is plain risky, what you have to ask yourself is: Is it worth the risk to drive the car today? Is it worth the risk to take blood, or undergo complex surgery? That's a personal decision everyone has to make, not a decision you make for others.
Have you ever thought that you might have been tested to see if you would remain faithful to God. Especially if you were doing nothing to be punished for.Satan can use anyone to test you, sometimes even members of your own family will seem to be enemies, of yours. Thats why it says that we do not have a fight against flesh and blood, but against satan and his demons,. Satan can use anyone to test you with, no matter who it is. But you only has to show a humble atitude, for god to help you unders
@bgillard12 Being tested? By God's earthly representatives? I though God didn't test ANYONE? That is what the Bible says is it not? So that being the case, I pose to you the alternative, perhaps Satan entered into the congregation. Perhaps these men that lead others is a perfect venue for Satan to exert authority upon unsuspecting sheep. The most insidious snare is the kind you never see coming; look carefully at your Elder body, is that where you expect to be persecuted?
But just remember this God has always had an organization, which he tried to keep apart from the immorality, and uncleaness of the others. They failed so long ago just as we today make mistakes, but the thing is to keep trying, keep asking, and Jesus said that this wisdom will be given to you,And having been baptist, catholic, and associating with any number of other religious groups, I like this one mistakes and all.
@bgillard12 God has abandoned His organizations many times, He abandoned the Israelites, He abandoned many kings in the interim, He abandoned unfaithful judges in pre-king Israel, He even abandoned the 1st Century Christians! Every time is always the same: Because God does not support corrupt organizations. How could He support an organization like Watchtower Co. a construct that is rife with corruption and debauchery?
All I can say to this, since I dont know what wrongs you committed, is that we as Gods people, are tring to do the best that, we can being imperfect people, I dont know the circumstances of your association with us, but I can tell you this, you must have learned something, because the other (dis) people I have talked to are abusive in word, and would probable be in action if I was to meet themin person, but you dont, you keep asking questions I like that, w/o being abusive, abuse is demonic.
@bgillard12 That is the manifestation of years of frustration. I don't agree with some others and their methods but I find myself unable to fault them because I too feel the frustration. As far as 'wrongs' I have committed, I have done many wrongs. So have you. For we all sin. Now as far as 'serious' wrongs as Witnesses would portray them, I have done none of those either. I was a member in good standing when I left.
Remeber it was Jesus who said that 2000 years ago, He said that if they believed, but JW teaches that millions living in the last days will never have to die at all if they make it thru armegedon, that is the only teaching I know about for millions who will have the opportunity to never die. We corrected that teaching a long time ago, we could see that the generation, is not talking about just one generation, but generations, from time past of faithful servants of God.
@bgillard12 Jesus spoke metaphorically, Witnesses taught it literally. Watchtower Co. EXPLICITLY taught that an earthly group of men alive in 1914 would never die. That was a patently false teaching. There is no way around that simple fact. And the teaching of the generation has changed many times, it has gone back and forth. It has been far from 'corrected' and may still be altered in the future.
@bgillard12 anondude is correct, when the "millions" proclomation was made, it wasnt general, millions in the last days. it was THOSE people alive then. either your being real slick to make it seem different, or, more likely, your not aware of this. Go look it up, go listen, go read the book itself. the title was Millions NOW living will never die. "pretty clear" you"corrected it" exactly. so it was wrong, and morally wrong to tell millions they wouldnt die, and did. cant u see that?
In the bible it says that a disfellowedshipped person has 7 demons attach themselves to them, and I saw all manner of things, when my mother invited my sister (dis) back home when I was younger, I have to tell you even my mother had to kick her back out, after she tried to burn the house down while we all slept.
@bgillard12 So what you're saying is that once a person is thrust from the congregation Demons are attached to them? What about the people who have been wrongfully disfellowshipped? Do they just get the short end of the stick?
@AnonDude2 No. in fact, of course not. Endurance, faith. One brother in Russia during the Soviet era was considered by the cong to be an informer and so for many years was treated very coolly, not trusted, you can imagine. Much later, after he endured and was supported by God, the truth came out, he was no such thing. You could say the brothers who treated him that way were bang out of order. Maybe they were. But endurance, faith won out. He is now an overseer with much responsibility.
Are you suggesting that we should have people who are disfellowedshipped, doing any and every bad thing that they do, come to the metting, where we are trying to raise little children to grow up the right way, it is hard enough to try to raise them up as it is without them seeing others, there who are doing every filthy thing that they want to be in good standing. I have had friends and a sister of mine leave God, and I have even seen them go from being nice people to prostituting and murder
Which is why he let Jesus be born a human here upon the earth, He could then understand us as another human. And therefore he is there as the bible says to plead for us to God on our behalf, How wonderful God is to supply what we need, How good he is to put up with us for so long.
Why are you twisting my words, having been a witness, you know for a fact that I honor the fact that Jesus fufilled the law, but I also know that the bible at John 3:16 on down to the 32nd verse tells us that if we do not obey Jesus( by breaking Gods laws) we will have to endure his wrath(anger) Once we practice sin we are no longer his children we are his enemies, if we do not repent and turn around.Do not think God is sentimental, as he says his thoughts are higher than ours,
You must have forgotten, that as Jews when one had bad conduct, and was a Jew their law required them to be stoned to death, or not spoken to,, no one was to have anything to do with them, it was as though they were disfellowedshipped from their whole nation.As the bible says Jesus is the same yesterday today and tomorrow, and God it says does not change.unrighteousness is still unrighteousness, and still punished the same way.
@bgillard12 Yeah, and you seem to have forgotten that Jesus instituted a better Law, the law of love. Jesus specifically did away with the Mosaic Law. Even Paul comments in Hebrews 8 that "In his saying “a new [covenant]” he has made the former one obsolete" So why are you seeking to validate what Jesus saw fit to annul?
I think you are getting confused on what it means by not greeting your brother only, this is talking about not disfellowedshipped ones, but people who do not know God you have to greet them because you have to teach them about god.. whereas to treat them disfellowedshipped ones as people of the nations, is to have nothing to do with them because of their bad conduct. and lack of knowledge of god.This is the way men of the nations were treated by the Jews, most were not spoken to, or eaten with.
@bgillard12 Where, anywhere, did Jesus instruct his followers to shun other men? Did he not say 'treat others as you would wish to be treated' or 'so you have done to the least of these my brothers you have done it to me' or 'you must love one another' or 'do not judge if you do not wish to be judged' and so on and so forth. None of Jesus teachings support the idea of shunning. Recently a disfellowshiped friend of mine had his father pass, he didn't even recieve a phone call. Is that Christian?
The Bible tells us that what ever the law the aposles bound on earth, are then bound in the heavens, I think that is clear enough to me, that their word then become Gods law. I see you dont believe in the bible as totally Gods word, Dont you think that God is able to have his word untainted by mans word. I believe in revelation it tells what will happen to anyone who either adds to or detract from his word, It says all the curses in the bible will come upon that one.
@bgillard12 I think God is able to do anything He wants, but clearly he is a permissive sort or else much of what is going on now wouldn't be happening. That being the case, it is possible the Bible has been tainted. Even in your own New World Translation there are portions in small typeset because they aren't sure if it's supposed to be there. In other cases there are verses blotted out and cut all together, marked with a dash---.
In Deuteronomy It says that the prophet was presumptuousness, which means jumping ahead to a prusumed conclusion, and you were prooved wrong. Isnt this what peter did when he cut off the ear of the soldier, and Jesus told him to put down his sword. or the time when he said Lord if these others will leave I never will, yet he denied him 3 times befor the cock crowed just as Jesus said he would. Just because you are prooved wrong does not mean that God hates you, He is patient with us, so corrects
@bgillard12 Isn't that what the Governing Body did when they said that "Millions now living will never die?" Well millions then living are now dead. What about when they told us that 'the generation of 1914 will never pass away.' Not to mention their association with the United Nations, or their teachings regarding vaccinations or organ transplants, teachings which in addition to the blood policy have probably killed thousands.
The false prophet never back down or correct himself, the society has always corrected and updated themselves, just as all the bible writers such as Moses who sinned out in the wilderness corrected himself and admitted he was wrong. Tell me something why dont you question other religions about some of the strange things they do such as allowing sin to take place in their congregations without reproof. This in itself makes me feel like We have Gods favor. Because Jesus said that we would be hated
@bgillard12 Why would I, a man who grew up as a Jehovah's Witness, speak extensively about a religion which I know nothing about? I speak about the wrongs I have E-X-P-E-R-I-E-N-C-E-D. Those wrongs come from Jehovah's Witnesses. Not Catholics, Muslims, Lutherans, Mormons, Buddhists, Amish, 7th-Day Adventists or anyone else. I am against all organized religion because as you pointed out, they all in their own way pervert the scripture and no man should intervene between God and you.
I dont see correcting a matter as contridction, I see it for what it is. As jesus had to correct his disciples on certain wrong thinking, such as who was the greates among them, and thinking that the kingdom was being set up in their generation, likewise he has to correct us, thats what it means the pathway gets brighter. Tell me have you ever considered yourself as a redicular, like for example in the days of Noah, when they laughed at him, because they didnt believe him?
@bgillard12 Are you saying that when your 'Faithful and Discreet Slave' printed the generation of 1914 would never pass away they were not falsely prophesying? As I recall, in the book of Deuteronomy it tells us that you only have to falsely prophesy once in order to prove your words are not from Jehovah.
Are you talking about disfellowshiping erroing ones, because if you are, you must know that Gods word tells us that if we even give them a greeting, he will hold us accountable for their error, also.My friends who have been disfellowship before, tell me that the punishment is what made them ashamed of their error and start back to serving God whole heartedly. I know of no other punishment that you speak of, and I have been a Jw for 46 years.
@bgillard12 I would say to you that it is extremely likely that not all of the Bible is God's word. For instance, how to you justify this nonsense about not saying a greeting to your brother (as Paul commands you to do) when Jesus himself tells us that saying greetings to your brother only is of no value. Or what about when Jesus instructs us to treat unrepentant sinners as 'men of the nations' (People he spoke to regularly) when it is Paul who gives the command to shun?
I hope I am making myself plain to you, But followere of christ back in his time, were doing just as we are doing today, trying to get a clear interpretation of Gods word as we can. That why I quared the scripture of the pathway of the righteous one. Jesus does not reveal Gods purposes right away or all at once, and like his older disciples we are impatient, trying to guess, but he patiently and lovenly guides us.As he told the apostles, they were not able to hear certains things at this time.
@bgillard12 You'll notice that God's light never contradicts itself. Sure He reveals aspects of His plans gradually and over a period of time, but they do not contradict themselves because they are God's truths. JW 'truths' however frequently contradict themselves. More often than not JW 'new light' will turn the previous teaching on its head; really it's the total and exact opposite of how God accomplishes things.
The point I am trying to make should be obvious, all of Christ disciples including JWs have always tried to figure out when, and what Jesus meant, and like the disciples, we make wrong assumptions also, and have to be corrected at times. His people have always questioned him, and want to know, and try to quess, it natural if you are interested in God.Jesus praised them for this curosity, even though sometimes they were wrong.
@bgillard12 Oh yeah, I totally agree! It's in the nature of the game to wonder about the meaning of some of Jesus teachings. And as imperfect humans we do get it wrong. But that wasn't the question I asked. The question I asked was why Jehovah's Witnesses punish people who question so severely when there is that large margin of error?
Just like all of the disciples of Jesus, we make mistakes also, did you not read where the disciples of Christ who was with him at the time, were thinking that the last days were going to come in their generation, he had to correct their thinking just as he has to correct our thinking today. Gods word the bible says that" the pathway of the righteous one gets brighter and brighter as the day go along," slowely and in his own time he shows us what he wants us to know, but we keep speculating.
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I am not a JW, but I think you have asked a good question. From what I understand JWs are meant to follow the teachings and God will piece together the rest when the time is right for JWs to understand it.
JWs are told that sometimes they will not understand why some things happen a certain way, but will be revealed in time when it's right. They are like a flock of sheep and follow the organization the best way they can. They want you to study and make the religion there own, but want you to
"Running ahead of Jehovah's organization" was considered bad. For instance, I heard of a young man who questioned a doctrine and explained how he thought it really was. He was DF'd for not backing down. Within a couple of years the org wound up having "new light" and changed to that way of thinking.
I assumed he'd be apologized to and invited back into the fold. Instead they explained that he had run ahead of the organization and would have to go thru the reinstatement process to return.
If someone is not sure about what the bible is saying then that person should ask God to revile it to them and not take some man's interpretation on it
Great question! I once asked a JW elder if WT literature is "God's non-inspired Word." He agreed. Check out my Quick Questions For Jehovah's Witnesses #'s 35 & 37 as I ask similar questions. You might want to turn that auto focus off.
@willtheman3 - Not true. As a person who's conducted bible studies, I can assure you the potential recruit is NEVER encouraged to come on youtube to do an investigation of the WT organization. Imagine, you as a person who has a bible study, having to defend the WT organization every day because of actual things the WT saw fit to publish in their past publications? Youtube has made this very evident to anyone willing to let logic be their guide.
I enjoyed this video so much that I'm setting the content to music! It will be my next rap song! It should be ready by the end of today. I'm using the Maracenna with a rap (in english) about trustuing a fallible organisation run by fallible men. The chorus will simply be my reading John 1:1 (in spanish) so that I keep the latin feel!
""Founded in the late 1870s by Charles Taze Russell""......... sounds like a cult to me. Joseph Smith started his own denomination as well. Lets not forget Martin Luther. Any nut job can start his own denomination, I think ill start the Church of Bacon tomorrow, WHO'S WITH ME!!!!
They can be disfellowshipped for blogging. They are also not allowed to play non-JW video games, such as Grand Theft Auto and Halo Reach.
I am not sure how they can get paid for holidays they are not allowed to celebrate. Celebration of anything can lead to disfellowship.
They came up with their own version of Lord of the Rings called "The Disfellowship of the Ring" and "The Two WatchTowers". They are not allowed to vote on which movie was better.
to hide and is afraid that their cover will be blown. By the way their lies will be known, it's only a matter of time before the WTBS suffers a collapse!!!
And so they go as far as to not even say a "hello" that passage does not say that.... Clearly the Scripture states that those who persist in wanting to live out of harmony with Bible standards must be disfellowshipped, but you must continue to reach them, not in association as before (making the individual feel as he is right in his sinful ways) but rather as in visitation talking and continuing showing love to the individual. JW's go the extreme because the WT has a history of lies to hide and
This is the Scripture that JW's take to the extreme "In my letter I wrote YOU to quit mixing in company with fornicators, 10 not [meaning] entirely with the fornicators of this world or the greedy persons and extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, YOU would actually have to get out of the world. 11 But now I am writing YOU to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating wit
Shut up!!!! If ur talkin about disfellowshipping its all in the attitude. If u had some sense u would kno that. And its not opinions its the frikin bible
@qsmooth03594 Thank you for your insightful comment! I never thought about it that way before. Actually I am woefully uneducated; I don't know too much at all. But clearly you do, so why don't you explain this disfellowshipping thing to me? I wasn't talking about that in my video, but that doesn't matter! So please, explain to me where Jesus says that we must not say a greeting to non-Witness family members and must not eat with them. I'd like to see that scripture brother.
@qsmooth03594 - Disfellowshipping is in the bible, and so is abortion. When Paul was mentioning disfellowshipping, did you not know that he was an opinionated idiot? He was stating what HE would do, and then tried swaying others to do the same. In any of Jesus accounts, where do you see Jesus endorsing the act of disfellowshipping?
Now, the question of the day: Mormons disfellowship too. Are the Mormons right when they disfellowship their members? Please answer, and explain.
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We do believe doctrines are correct, however, we never insist that our religion is right and all of the others are wrong. Quite the contrary actually because we believe that everyone has trhe right to make their own choices and to be free to make open minded decisions. Un-like most religions of todays world, however, we don't condemn you for not being a part of our religion. We simply believe it is our god given duty to save the rest of mankind from the tempations of Satan the Devil.
@steelclover8 Raised in it. Baptized. Auxiliary Pioneer for almost 3 years. Never been disfellowshipped. I find it hard to believe that you're a Jehovah's Witness because should know that people are absolutely condemned for not being Jehovah's Witnesses, or leaving them. Disfellowshipping is essentially a death-sentence passed by your Elder body. Is it, or is it not, a common belief that disfellowshipped ones will not make it through Armageddon? And there is no 'open-mindedness' either.
@AnonDude2 Well, you see to know exactly what your talking about, but I don't think i'm the one you should be looking for answers from, being that I'm 14. I do know qutie a lot about being a witness, and what I do know makes me happy. I personally think that you should be asking a more educated Jehovah's Witness about the matter.
@Charvel2Fender Wow you have no idea who you are talking to. It is clear you haven't watched ANY of my videos as I have covered all the scriptures of which you speak. Of course the dead are conscious of nothing until they are resurrected! I do not deny the teachings of Jesus, I deny the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses which shift and change every few years to suit their needs. Jesus on the other hand, is clear and consistent. You comments are needlessly lengthy and say nothing.
@Charvel2Fender I'm not exactly sure where you're going with this. (a) How is your comment relevant in any way to the question posed in the video? (b) Are you saying that there is no heavenly hope? No earthly hope? No hope? What resurrection are you speaking about? And lastly, I would argue about how 'clear' Witness doctrine actually is. Considering that Jesus never spoke about the hope that they present to everyone at their doorsteps.
did you know that the founder of the Jehovahs witnesses Charles Taze Russell was a 33rd degree Mason? And the 1st Kingdom hall had an Egyptian Pagan symbol above the front door? later removed! The new world transations is another way of saying New World Order!
lol. "An honest hearted question"? Your hand gestures and mannerisms suggest otherwise. Your delivery was with a hint of rude attitude. Why don't you discuss the matter with some JW's at your house if you're so interested to get some new information on a subject. JW's are about as knowledgable as anyone on the subject you're concerned with and willing to give up their time to help you get a better grasp. It makes more sense than putting together a comical video.
@jasonyoungisnumber1 I'm going to go ahead and be nice about this because I don't think you're actually a JW. Firstly, JWs don't know their own doctrine; most do not even stop to evaluate their beliefs. I know because I was one from birth. Secondly I would LOVE to ask a JW these questions, but you know what? They won't talk with 'Apostates' like me becuase we have questions they can't answer. Nobody has even attempted to answer the question, and I know I have JWs watching my channel.
I think on Walsh Trial the same question was raised. And the answer was that for the sake of the unity (even in falsehood) rank and files must accept everything and not to question it...
That's why r&f need to avoid independent thinking... otherwise, that would destroy forced unity, and then they would not be able to brag about being the only ones who have unity as Jesus prayed in John 17...
You made me remember some other things. I even got into dutch with some bro's for making citations from WT publications & documents, material in current articles & current book studies. Quite odd.
Like Michael =ing Jesus, it's not really a 'doctrine' even. It's an opinion, a vulnerable one considering the christian writer Jude talks about Michael's mention in apocryphal writings, without making the point that is individual is the master Jesus, by the way. Yet to reject this opinion gets you into trouble.
@archeng123 It's a problem that we'll figure out how to fix one day. Because you and I both know that regardless of the conclusion if you get a Jehovah's Witness to THINK about how illogical their doctrines are they will come to the realization that what they've been told is false.
Yhats why The Watchtower is a contradictory cult, formed by a group of imbeciles called the governing body.
Fuerzalavasoriana 3 weeks ago
It is about Loyalty to Jehovah, not the men. Jehovah uses this route (JWs) - people have freewill, they are not controlled, predetermined or pre destined. Jehovah has a purpose (not plan) that will be accomplished. The route to that accomplishment can include men going different routes, not in the sense they are all and always right, but in the sense they will not de-rail Gods purpose. We need to stick loyally to God and his arrangement because He is not limited as men are. Endurance - Faith.
Fizzypop1211 3 weeks ago
@Fizzypop1211 So Jehovah would be pleased with you if you supported an organization that you know to be wrong?
AnonDude2 3 weeks ago
@AnonDude2 well no. And if you want to have a word argument, you will at least not lose. But if your really want the answer, here's a piece: When Israel was in a special relationship with God, they insisted on earthly Kings. Sometimes, those kings led the nation into Baal worship and worse. At that time, faithful common Israelites suffered as God removed His blessing. Did that mean that Israel was no longer in a special relationship with God, that the People should "move out"? No....
Fizzypop1211 3 weeks ago
@Fizzypop1211 ...they had to continue being loyal and faithful, enduring this situation whilst it was worked out - prophets tried to adjust the kings (e.g. David) or where unsuccessful, the Kings were removed. We as mere humans in the matter do not have the right to question Gods method or timing in making such adjustments as the free will of other men is acted upon, or even be indignant over anything we have to put up with. We are owed nothing. But we owe loyalty, and Faith that God will fix it
Fizzypop1211 3 weeks ago
@Fizzypop1211 Your comparison with people not leaving the nation of Isreal back then is not the same. Back then Gods people had to stay as part of that system because of the temple arrangement but since Christ that has all been done away with. You are suffering under the mistaken belief that God once again is working thru an earthly "nation" of sorts. Today faith and endurance is in Christ alone and cannot be muddied by comprimise with manmade affiliations.
Awake2theWatchtower 3 weeks ago
@Awake2theWatchtower it is not the same, but it is similar; the typical, or literal, arrangements of physical earthly Israel are superseded by what it all pointed to - the antitypical, the spiritual. So Jesus shall we say concluded the earthly Israel arrangements and instigated covenants for spiritual Israel - part of that means gentiles like me are invited to the party, but there would still be order, congregations, a channel to direct the primary work Jesus commanded - of evangelizing. Do you?
Fizzypop1211 3 weeks ago
@Fizzypop1211 What does 'evangelizing' entail? Is there more then one way? And if there isn't, does it really matter? Can you be declared righteous by works? The comparison is valid. But a better way to approach it would have been using God's judgement of Israel. He abandoned them. God did not support the Israelites who supported wrongdoing. So why would he support individual Witnesses who support wrongdoing knowingly? Is it not a greater sin to do something wrong knowingly?
AnonDude2 3 weeks ago
@AnonDude2
The greek εὐαγγέλιον euangélion was used in those days to refer to the announcing of a king. It didn't have anything to do with preaching theology.
anissueofursincerity 3 weeks ago
@AnonDude2 @anissueofursincerity Dealing with Evangelizing / how, which you both raise, the answer is surely found int he example and instructions of the Master, Jesus, not any argument over ancient words? Jesus expended himself, literally spent all his perfect energy going to people at their villages and homes. He gave large discourses (on the Mount) and 1-2-1 - the Samaritan woman at the well (yes, even to women) along with miracles to establish his authority for starting the "new" religion.
Fizzypop1211 3 weeks ago
@Fizzypop1211 Jesus commanded his followers to do this at Matt.28:18-20. He had given them the example how, he had taught them by being with them "in the front line" and encouraged them to go off in two's to assist each other. The Apostle Paul (who followed Jesus) conducted a similar style ministry. I am sure you know this. So without arguing about the methods (I agree, there are many aspects to evangelizing) - answer me please, WHO else / preaches as Jesus commanded, / pointing to Gods purpose?
Fizzypop1211 3 weeks ago
Hi,
First of all, I like your questions and the way you present them.
Well, I grew up in the "truth" and since three years now I´m an evil apostate (with double-life).
My answer as JW would be: Even if you know that some doctrin is not true you can be sure that Jehova will correct it when it is time, but don´t question it because you would endanger the most valuable thing: unity!
Well, wasn´t it easy as a JW? :-)
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sarahrah324 1 month ago
Jesus would not have been accepted during his time if he had not told the Jews he was from their god Jehovah. Their forefathers had been severely punished by going under slaverly to other countries,like asseryia or bablyon, for serving other gods, They did not forget this, the Jews have never been unfaithful to Jehovah as their God since then,they Just did not accept Jesus as his son.but they still today worship only Jehovah if they are still a Jew, and have not accepted Jesus.research this.
bgillard12 2 months ago
@bgillard12 (Your 1st Para) - that's an interesting proposition. Of course, your comment doesn't allow for them to remember that Jehovah had taught them on many occasions that they could invalidate their worship however holy they felt they were, by disregarding Jehovah's requirements in another area. A good example is sacrifice. Jehovah allowed them to bring according to their wealth, but they abused this by offering up sick and blind on the cheap. Disowning Gods prophets (&son) never went well
Fizzypop1211 3 weeks ago
@Fizzypop1211 ..check out Matt 27:25 and the what has become the lot of the Jewish people from that day to this. Terrible.
Fizzypop1211 3 weeks ago
true balance Jesus was born a jew and as a Jew he worshiped at Jehovahs temple as a Jew all of his life,as the other jews did, who was waiting on the messiah that Jehovah had promised to send them.Jesus consistently used Jehovahs name, but it was taken out of the scriptures and replaced by lord, as the Jews considered the name to sacred to pronounce, but he always used his fathers name as he said "Father I have made your name know and i will continue to make it known.to those you have gave me.
bgillard12 2 months ago
How wonderful that he did this to let him be born a human and have our understanding of why we do things, because Jehovah is not a human as we are, he is a spirit, and he says his thoughts are higher than ours,, he does not think as we do. but lovingly he let his son, become one of us so he is able as the bible says explaine us to god. and as messiah, able to plead for our lives for us to god. he could just kill us all and start over. Like in Noahs day.
bgillard12 2 months ago
truebalance Jesus was sent to us just as moses was sent to the Jews, to help Jehovah understand us, If not for Moses out in the wilderness Jehovah would have destroyed the jews, and as he said, make from Moses a great people for his name, but Moses pleaded their case for them and god did not destroy them, also is Jesus our mediator or (lawyer) today, to help Jehovah understand us, this is why he was born as a human so that he is able to plead for us .as jehovah do not think as we do.
bgillard12 2 months ago
Jesus was the one who said millions now living will never die at all, not JWS, we just had to figure out what he was talking about, but in revelations when it talks about the great crowd, who had on white robes we realized that it was talking about the last days and the millions who would live on into the new world without ever dying, that is the only thing we were ever taught.
bgillard12 2 months ago
All my brothers and sisters agree on this teaching, millions now living will live on thru armageddon and not be destroyed. The bible says, "when ever Moses is read(the bible) even down till today, a veil lies over their heart(a lack of understanding Gods word.) but when there is a turning to Jehovah the veil is taken away.}, you may have been a witness, but you do not accept Jehovah, you will never understand the bible. he is not going to let you.
bgillard12 2 months ago
truebalance I will look for a copy of this book, but i remember the title so I must have studied it. But I still say, the lesson I learned and was taught by JWS was that people in the last days, would live thru armageddon, and would never die at all, they would live on into this new system that Jehovah promised us thru his son christ Jesus our Lord and savior. I have never been taught anything else in 45 years. I dont know how you are interpreting the book, but I know what I was taught.
bgillard12 2 months ago
That is actually a good question ,good point u have. I grew up a jw n questioning what it didn't make sense to me was out of the question (no pun intended) . Stuff like why can't I wear a beard ? Or celebrate my birthday god is the originator of life its supposed to be a good thing.
ochillon74 2 months ago
so....what do you believe on? I'm just so confused over all religions.
alaraza1 2 months ago
Another thing to remember is jesus himself says you cannot come to me unless the father draws you, and you cannot come to the father except you come thru me (Jesus) who is the anti christ, he who denies the father....or the son....this one is the antichrist You must accept both, or you are against both.
bgillard12 2 months ago
I am like the old borean people in the bible I dont take anybodys word for anything, I always ready several versions of the bible to see if every word is true, By the way You are the one who needs to do research, the Jews have always called Jehovah by this name, They were a religion before the catholics were, I suggest you do yor research, Jewish friends of mine have always told me they serve no one( including Jesus), but Jehovah, Jews in jerusalem say their gods name is Jehovah,
bgillard12 2 months ago
@bgillard12 "jehovah" isnt a jewish name. its not even a translated name, its an invention. I find it mor interesting, JESUS didnt hardly EVER use the name JEHOVAH, or YHWH actually, and he never mandated anyone TO use it. IT wasnt apart of the gospel as laid out by him, or the apostles, it wasnt required understanding or identification of true children of god CHRIST was however, and "christian" IS the word given by the spirit to hi followers. HEAVENLY FATHER was Jesus' term used.
TruthBalance 2 months ago
@bgillard12 the father requires you to not look to him, look to his son. we arnt jews, . that ship has sailed,. we are to speak to, know, and come to CHRIST, not JEHOVAH directly. a cursory reading of the new testament leaves no room for any other way to look at it.The fixation with using a proper noun made up by a catholic monk, of two words, YHWH( not even a known name) and adonai( LORD), is about as foolish as the jews using YHWH int he first place for fear of saying the divine
TruthBalance 2 months ago
@TruthBalance alos, something absurd I never understood... JEHOVAH is clearly not God's REAL name , its an english concoction, etc. we all know this, even if you think its the best way to say it, youknow its NOT it. its lord mixed with YHWH. this was done to have some way to reference the NAME, withoutknowing thename. so, why the attack on using LORD in all bibles? its the same practice! its meant to say gods name, without knowing it, and, JEHOVAH is LORD mixed with YHWH! crazy
TruthBalance 2 months ago
the issue is this, anything or one who teaches you that christ is not ur mediator or savoiur, an draws u way from him an puts themselves in his place an say follow me an listen to everyword cause its true truly satans org, remember, he keeps transforming himeself into an angle of light. JWs r just as crooked as all the rest behind seens, u talking to 35 yrs exp with it here, so an jws who say diff, lets read the bible instead of a mag, an then we can talk.
dayloe 2 months ago
All religions were created to control the masses...
Now, creation myths on the other hand. They were just an explanation for why we are here.
shootracists 2 months ago
Thank you this is very good advice, something everyone needs to know
bgillard12 2 months ago
Of course I dont expect to be persecuted by the Elders, but lets face it The bible says the whole world is lying in the power of the devil, He can use anyone Almighty God allowes him to, to be tested in any kind of way, Sometimes the one who is persucuting you dont even know they are doing it. Satan is a powerful spirit creature, No one can stop him but God.
bgillard12 2 months ago
You can take the blood if you want to. but Gods words warnes these Elders, "If I place you as a watchman then you must warn the wicked one, if you dont he will die,in his error, but his blood I will ask back from your hands." this is why they warn us to keep us from losing Gods favor, and so we can be free from the blood guilt of all mankind/" they cant stop you from taking the blood but they can warn you.like paul said, he was free from the blood of all mankind, because he warned everyone.
bgillard12 2 months ago
You have never seen the corrupting influence one person can have on a whole organization, As jesus said it only takes one rotten apple to corrupt the whole bunch, lets tale eli the high priest of israels 2 sons, and their bad conduct which should have been stoned to death back then for it, instead eli would only complain to them not do what God told him to do, But God did it for him and at the same time eli lost his life also, but they corrupted the whole nation, with their conduct,
bgillard12 2 months ago
Levi merely gave his sons a talking to he did not do as he was suppose to as he loved his sons more than he loved God, this is one of the things that corrupted Israel.I have seen some come back in and they keep getting DIF over and over again, and I have seen a whole congregation, closed down because of corrupting influence.We have young ones to care for who are easily influenced. this system is bad enough, we dont need trouble from within.
bgillard12 2 months ago
These groups of men who make these ones wait before letting them back to serve in harmony with the rest of us, also watch your conduct, as you improve, if they see anything in your conduct that will effect others in the congregation, the bible says keep the congregation clean for public service, thats a big responsibility, I would not like to have it. Remember Levi who put up with his sons bad conduct, it cost him to lose his life because they should have been stoned to death
bgillard12 2 months ago
If it was not for this govening body or my brothers and sisters I would not understand that a relationship was necessary, or that I had to get to know him.(God) like the ethiopian unice I did not understand the bible unless some one taught me. Here again 1st cor comes into play. We cannot learn Gods word on our own, that is not the way he work it.the brothers and sis ters must love us enough to help us, that is why we are dis of christ, following his example, and orders to make discip of people.
bgillard12 2 months ago
Can you email me the scriptures you are talking about, I have never read such a scripture, where they violated the blood law before, because of those circumstances, I would like to read them. as God Gave this law from the beginning, when Noah and his family were the first to start to eat meat, down to the new Christians, it was warned to stay free from blood. As the life was in the blood, and it belonged to God.
bgillard12 2 months ago
Seriously, I dont know that teaching . i was taught that the generation that saw 1914, would not all pass away, before the end came, but as the light kept getting brighter (our understand), we realized that Jesus was not talking about that generation at all, but he was talking about his faithful servans from Abel to the faithfuls in all generations down till the end.
bgillard12 2 months ago
Also let them remember Joseph who was imprisoned 12 years for something he did not do. Was it Satan who had him imprisoned so that he would turn from serving God, more than likely. as God warnes us that he is going around like a roaring lion seeking who he can devoir, and he can use anyone he chooses to stumble you. and make you stop, if you are not strong. But stop and think, why did God let this happen, maybe the DIF one needs to work on something within himself.
bgillard12 2 months ago
Know as I was saying about the wrongfully disfellowshipped one, Just as korah, and the other chieftains, were punished out in the wilderness, so was Moses and Aron, God is looking at each one of us. They did not ge into the promised land eith, learn to wait for God, We must gather together, we must learn love,patients, and the other things God is trying to teach us,The bible says this is not the real life, this is a testing period for all mankind, the real life is yet to come.
bgillard12 2 months ago
Why we have the old testament still. And of course he abonded those people, when they became corrupt, They had come to the point of offering up their children to the God Molec, they worshiped false God, but called on him in times of distress, You will be suprised today how many people are worshipping false Gods, But the thing is He had an organization, and he has one now, who is not afraid to bear his name. Even if they are flawed, they are still trying to serve him. all have sin.
bgillard12 2 months ago
@bgillard12 pls get his name right first, then maybe u have a claim to put in, u really only know what some else tells u, an the catholics came up with the jehovah, now find out why an do some research, ok
dayloe 2 months ago
Korah had the law of Moses that God had given him and he knew that God had chosen Moses, he had seen all the water receed, all the pleagues brought on Egypt, I agree he was seeking advancement, So is anyone who wants to do what they want to do, even Jesus had to answer to Jehovah, we all have someone we have to answer to. An as I quoted before, the bible reminds us that those things happened to those people to warn us how to be and how not to be.What to do and what not to do.thats why .
bgillard12 2 months ago
The point I am trying to make is this let God handle his Elders and his servants, As 1st cor says " these things written before time were warnings and examples for us today. You let God correct them If they are not doing something right, we are not allowed to correct them, only God can, The Bible says otherwise we will be going against God himself not his elders.I have seen a lot of elders have to be removed or step down.Korah, Dathan, and Abiram challenged God when they challenged Moses,
bgillard12 2 months ago
Remember when Moses was the leader of Gods organization out in the wilderness, andkorah, dathan and abiram and 120 other leaders of the tribes did not like some of the laws and things he would tell them to do? they were so confident that they were right, that they stood before Jehovah to condem him, remember also what happened to them when they were destroyed that day, by being swallowed alive by the ground(earthquake) also remember God was also noticing Moses and aron They had to die there als
bgillard12 2 months ago
@bgillard12 The key differences with this situation are: (1) I have the Bible to aid me, Korah did not. (2) Korah and gang were seeking self aggrandizement, or self advancement trying to attain higher positions in life, (3) if I am wrong I invite the Governing Body to cry out and ask Jehovah to swallow me up. In any event fundamentally the comparison is flawed because it doesn't change the fact, or hurt my argument, that Jehovah abandoned Israel when they became corrupt.
AnonDude2 2 months ago
The best way to deal with it is to move on and be done. I know you feel you are "exposing" them but it just makes you look bitter. I think every religion and church has their own disgruntled. That is why they move on and find another religion or just are done with religion in general. I've just never understood why anyone would spend so much time focused on a religion that they are done with.
Batrealitymatrix1 2 months ago
@Batrealitymatrix1 Answer: Self Justification.
Fizzypop1211 3 weeks ago
Did you just disassated your self from JWS or are you disfellowshiped? My impression is that you disassosated yourself because of our teachings, am I right or wrong? forgive my spelling.
bgillard12 2 months ago
@bgillard12 No you're one of the few people who are right. I have never been disfellowshipped. I left because I can no longer justify going along with the religion because I feel it is a fundamental compromise of my Christianity.
AnonDude2 2 months ago
There are plenty of other ways to treat a patient besides blood, but it means the difference between 5 minutes of giving blood, and 5 hours of doing something else. But today doctors will tell you that because of JWS they have had to become real doctors and learn to do things another way.a better way.
bgillard12 2 months ago
@bgillard12 in my research on statistics, the ones that fair the worst are women after giving birth. and car accidents. orthopedic does well with careful surgeons and the state of the art classes and info these surgeons get. and the nature of that ortho surgery itself.
thepixieful 2 months ago
@bgillard12 There are, and I agree that every alternative should be sought. But when it comes down to a life or death situation it is not a violation of Christian principles to take a blood transfusion. Even in the Mosaic Law under life and death circumstances the sabbath, eating of blood, and other laws could be broken with no guilt on the part of the individual.
AnonDude2 2 months ago
Another thing about these blood issues, sometimes this can get rediclous, example, because my friend would not take blood, her doctor told her He was going to leave her in her room to die, Some of the friends kept bringing her grape juice to build up her blood, of course she got better, and when she got ready to leave the hospital on her own two feet her doctor turned his head and wouldnt speak to her,This type of thing is what causes people who dont know what else to do is what causes death.
bgillard12 2 months ago
@bgillard12 the Engleside Institute for Bloodless Surgery gives surgeons advice, doctor to doctor on helpful ways to work this. JW should know this and tell their doctor to call in advance if it is some surgery they know they are going to face.....
thepixieful 2 months ago
The point I am trying to make is this. the bible tells us how to protect ourselves from Satan, It called the suit of armour from God.When we take off this armour, we have left ourself open to satan just as eve did. If Gods word says shun him, are you willing to disobey and have satan attack you. I can tell you now, that I have taken off the armour many times by disobedience and I have had to pay for it. Even though I love my brother, I am not willing to face satan again.
bgillard12 2 months ago
About your friend look at it this way. He knows that no one can speak to him. It may seem unchristian like that Adam and Eve and all mankind has to get sick grow old and die, It sounds bad just because they ate a piece of fruit, but the thing is they broke Gods law, so we all have to suffer for it. I would still like to look like I was 18 years old and strong and fit, but because of what they did Iam sick I am old and about to die.
bgillard12 2 months ago
@bgillard12 Well I'm sorry that you're about to die. And one day that problem will be solved. In the meantime then shouldn't we be as loving to our fellow humans as we can? God is a God of love, and don't let any organization tell you how to have a relationship with him. Only one is your leader and teacher, that's Jesus. (Matthew 23:8-12) Not the Elders, not the Circuit Overseer, not the Bethelites, not the Governing Body. Jesus.
AnonDude2 2 months ago
We still love the (dis) one, we are just trying to obey The bible.This is the way that the ancient Jews always treated one who were rebellious, by shunning. I have friends who are glad that we shunned them it brought them to their sences. a few years back time mag did an article on us and disfellowshipping. The only rebuttal they got was from (dis) ones telling them to leave us alone, as we were only obeying God, Time offered an apology to us.This is keeping the organization clean Gods law.
bgillard12 2 months ago
@bgillard12 Disfellowshipping is something we each must do with our own conscience. If you perceive one as rebellious and it damages your faith to be around him then by all means cease association. But you cannot speak for everyone, nor should you. I've seen too many DF'ed ones who are REPENTANT and are ACTIVELY trying to return be SHUNNED for 6 months, 1 year, 2 YEARS (sometimes) until a group of MEN decide what their heart condition is. That is cruel and unchristian, not loving.
AnonDude2 2 months ago
If I have to die because of the blood issue, I will remain faithful to god as I have know relatives and friends of mine get some other dises after taken blood, which has cost them more pain then the original desease did, I watch my little newphew die in pain (which he did not have before taking the blood).no 3 year old should have to go thru this,It gave him a rare form of blood cancer only 5 people in the world had. I have seen them get hepatidis, from the blood and it almost killed them.
bgillard12 2 months ago
@bgillard12 I express my sympathy to you for your loss......
thepixieful 2 months ago
@bgillard12 And having surgery is a risk, and driving a car is a risk, and going into a public bathroom is a risk, and slouching in your chair is a risk, and taking medicine of ANY kind is a risk. When it comes down to it life is plain risky, what you have to ask yourself is: Is it worth the risk to drive the car today? Is it worth the risk to take blood, or undergo complex surgery? That's a personal decision everyone has to make, not a decision you make for others.
AnonDude2 2 months ago
Have you ever thought that you might have been tested to see if you would remain faithful to God. Especially if you were doing nothing to be punished for.Satan can use anyone to test you, sometimes even members of your own family will seem to be enemies, of yours. Thats why it says that we do not have a fight against flesh and blood, but against satan and his demons,. Satan can use anyone to test you with, no matter who it is. But you only has to show a humble atitude, for god to help you unders
bgillard12 2 months ago
@bgillard12 Being tested? By God's earthly representatives? I though God didn't test ANYONE? That is what the Bible says is it not? So that being the case, I pose to you the alternative, perhaps Satan entered into the congregation. Perhaps these men that lead others is a perfect venue for Satan to exert authority upon unsuspecting sheep. The most insidious snare is the kind you never see coming; look carefully at your Elder body, is that where you expect to be persecuted?
AnonDude2 2 months ago
But just remember this God has always had an organization, which he tried to keep apart from the immorality, and uncleaness of the others. They failed so long ago just as we today make mistakes, but the thing is to keep trying, keep asking, and Jesus said that this wisdom will be given to you,And having been baptist, catholic, and associating with any number of other religious groups, I like this one mistakes and all.
bgillard12 2 months ago
@bgillard12 God has abandoned His organizations many times, He abandoned the Israelites, He abandoned many kings in the interim, He abandoned unfaithful judges in pre-king Israel, He even abandoned the 1st Century Christians! Every time is always the same: Because God does not support corrupt organizations. How could He support an organization like Watchtower Co. a construct that is rife with corruption and debauchery?
AnonDude2 2 months ago
All I can say to this, since I dont know what wrongs you committed, is that we as Gods people, are tring to do the best that, we can being imperfect people, I dont know the circumstances of your association with us, but I can tell you this, you must have learned something, because the other (dis) people I have talked to are abusive in word, and would probable be in action if I was to meet themin person, but you dont, you keep asking questions I like that, w/o being abusive, abuse is demonic.
bgillard12 2 months ago
@bgillard12 That is the manifestation of years of frustration. I don't agree with some others and their methods but I find myself unable to fault them because I too feel the frustration. As far as 'wrongs' I have committed, I have done many wrongs. So have you. For we all sin. Now as far as 'serious' wrongs as Witnesses would portray them, I have done none of those either. I was a member in good standing when I left.
AnonDude2 2 months ago
Remeber it was Jesus who said that 2000 years ago, He said that if they believed, but JW teaches that millions living in the last days will never have to die at all if they make it thru armegedon, that is the only teaching I know about for millions who will have the opportunity to never die. We corrected that teaching a long time ago, we could see that the generation, is not talking about just one generation, but generations, from time past of faithful servants of God.
bgillard12 2 months ago
@bgillard12 Jesus spoke metaphorically, Witnesses taught it literally. Watchtower Co. EXPLICITLY taught that an earthly group of men alive in 1914 would never die. That was a patently false teaching. There is no way around that simple fact. And the teaching of the generation has changed many times, it has gone back and forth. It has been far from 'corrected' and may still be altered in the future.
AnonDude2 2 months ago
@bgillard12 anondude is correct, when the "millions" proclomation was made, it wasnt general, millions in the last days. it was THOSE people alive then. either your being real slick to make it seem different, or, more likely, your not aware of this. Go look it up, go listen, go read the book itself. the title was Millions NOW living will never die. "pretty clear" you"corrected it" exactly. so it was wrong, and morally wrong to tell millions they wouldnt die, and did. cant u see that?
TruthBalance 2 months ago
In the bible it says that a disfellowedshipped person has 7 demons attach themselves to them, and I saw all manner of things, when my mother invited my sister (dis) back home when I was younger, I have to tell you even my mother had to kick her back out, after she tried to burn the house down while we all slept.
bgillard12 2 months ago
@bgillard12 So what you're saying is that once a person is thrust from the congregation Demons are attached to them? What about the people who have been wrongfully disfellowshipped? Do they just get the short end of the stick?
AnonDude2 2 months ago
@AnonDude2 No. in fact, of course not. Endurance, faith. One brother in Russia during the Soviet era was considered by the cong to be an informer and so for many years was treated very coolly, not trusted, you can imagine. Much later, after he endured and was supported by God, the truth came out, he was no such thing. You could say the brothers who treated him that way were bang out of order. Maybe they were. But endurance, faith won out. He is now an overseer with much responsibility.
Fizzypop1211 3 weeks ago
Are you suggesting that we should have people who are disfellowedshipped, doing any and every bad thing that they do, come to the metting, where we are trying to raise little children to grow up the right way, it is hard enough to try to raise them up as it is without them seeing others, there who are doing every filthy thing that they want to be in good standing. I have had friends and a sister of mine leave God, and I have even seen them go from being nice people to prostituting and murder
bgillard12 2 months ago
Which is why he let Jesus be born a human here upon the earth, He could then understand us as another human. And therefore he is there as the bible says to plead for us to God on our behalf, How wonderful God is to supply what we need, How good he is to put up with us for so long.
bgillard12 2 months ago
Why are you twisting my words, having been a witness, you know for a fact that I honor the fact that Jesus fufilled the law, but I also know that the bible at John 3:16 on down to the 32nd verse tells us that if we do not obey Jesus( by breaking Gods laws) we will have to endure his wrath(anger) Once we practice sin we are no longer his children we are his enemies, if we do not repent and turn around.Do not think God is sentimental, as he says his thoughts are higher than ours,
bgillard12 2 months ago
You must have forgotten, that as Jews when one had bad conduct, and was a Jew their law required them to be stoned to death, or not spoken to,, no one was to have anything to do with them, it was as though they were disfellowedshipped from their whole nation.As the bible says Jesus is the same yesterday today and tomorrow, and God it says does not change.unrighteousness is still unrighteousness, and still punished the same way.
bgillard12 2 months ago
@bgillard12 Yeah, and you seem to have forgotten that Jesus instituted a better Law, the law of love. Jesus specifically did away with the Mosaic Law. Even Paul comments in Hebrews 8 that "In his saying “a new [covenant]” he has made the former one obsolete" So why are you seeking to validate what Jesus saw fit to annul?
AnonDude2 2 months ago
I think you are getting confused on what it means by not greeting your brother only, this is talking about not disfellowedshipped ones, but people who do not know God you have to greet them because you have to teach them about god.. whereas to treat them disfellowedshipped ones as people of the nations, is to have nothing to do with them because of their bad conduct. and lack of knowledge of god.This is the way men of the nations were treated by the Jews, most were not spoken to, or eaten with.
bgillard12 2 months ago
@bgillard12 Where, anywhere, did Jesus instruct his followers to shun other men? Did he not say 'treat others as you would wish to be treated' or 'so you have done to the least of these my brothers you have done it to me' or 'you must love one another' or 'do not judge if you do not wish to be judged' and so on and so forth. None of Jesus teachings support the idea of shunning. Recently a disfellowshiped friend of mine had his father pass, he didn't even recieve a phone call. Is that Christian?
AnonDude2 2 months ago
The Bible tells us that what ever the law the aposles bound on earth, are then bound in the heavens, I think that is clear enough to me, that their word then become Gods law. I see you dont believe in the bible as totally Gods word, Dont you think that God is able to have his word untainted by mans word. I believe in revelation it tells what will happen to anyone who either adds to or detract from his word, It says all the curses in the bible will come upon that one.
bgillard12 2 months ago
@bgillard12 I think God is able to do anything He wants, but clearly he is a permissive sort or else much of what is going on now wouldn't be happening. That being the case, it is possible the Bible has been tainted. Even in your own New World Translation there are portions in small typeset because they aren't sure if it's supposed to be there. In other cases there are verses blotted out and cut all together, marked with a dash---.
AnonDude2 2 months ago
In Deuteronomy It says that the prophet was presumptuousness, which means jumping ahead to a prusumed conclusion, and you were prooved wrong. Isnt this what peter did when he cut off the ear of the soldier, and Jesus told him to put down his sword. or the time when he said Lord if these others will leave I never will, yet he denied him 3 times befor the cock crowed just as Jesus said he would. Just because you are prooved wrong does not mean that God hates you, He is patient with us, so corrects
bgillard12 2 months ago
@bgillard12 Isn't that what the Governing Body did when they said that "Millions now living will never die?" Well millions then living are now dead. What about when they told us that 'the generation of 1914 will never pass away.' Not to mention their association with the United Nations, or their teachings regarding vaccinations or organ transplants, teachings which in addition to the blood policy have probably killed thousands.
AnonDude2 2 months ago
The false prophet never back down or correct himself, the society has always corrected and updated themselves, just as all the bible writers such as Moses who sinned out in the wilderness corrected himself and admitted he was wrong. Tell me something why dont you question other religions about some of the strange things they do such as allowing sin to take place in their congregations without reproof. This in itself makes me feel like We have Gods favor. Because Jesus said that we would be hated
bgillard12 2 months ago
@bgillard12 Why would I, a man who grew up as a Jehovah's Witness, speak extensively about a religion which I know nothing about? I speak about the wrongs I have E-X-P-E-R-I-E-N-C-E-D. Those wrongs come from Jehovah's Witnesses. Not Catholics, Muslims, Lutherans, Mormons, Buddhists, Amish, 7th-Day Adventists or anyone else. I am against all organized religion because as you pointed out, they all in their own way pervert the scripture and no man should intervene between God and you.
AnonDude2 2 months ago
I dont see correcting a matter as contridction, I see it for what it is. As jesus had to correct his disciples on certain wrong thinking, such as who was the greates among them, and thinking that the kingdom was being set up in their generation, likewise he has to correct us, thats what it means the pathway gets brighter. Tell me have you ever considered yourself as a redicular, like for example in the days of Noah, when they laughed at him, because they didnt believe him?
bgillard12 2 months ago
@bgillard12 Are you saying that when your 'Faithful and Discreet Slave' printed the generation of 1914 would never pass away they were not falsely prophesying? As I recall, in the book of Deuteronomy it tells us that you only have to falsely prophesy once in order to prove your words are not from Jehovah.
AnonDude2 2 months ago
Are you talking about disfellowshiping erroing ones, because if you are, you must know that Gods word tells us that if we even give them a greeting, he will hold us accountable for their error, also.My friends who have been disfellowship before, tell me that the punishment is what made them ashamed of their error and start back to serving God whole heartedly. I know of no other punishment that you speak of, and I have been a Jw for 46 years.
bgillard12 2 months ago
@bgillard12 I would say to you that it is extremely likely that not all of the Bible is God's word. For instance, how to you justify this nonsense about not saying a greeting to your brother (as Paul commands you to do) when Jesus himself tells us that saying greetings to your brother only is of no value. Or what about when Jesus instructs us to treat unrepentant sinners as 'men of the nations' (People he spoke to regularly) when it is Paul who gives the command to shun?
AnonDude2 2 months ago
I hope I am making myself plain to you, But followere of christ back in his time, were doing just as we are doing today, trying to get a clear interpretation of Gods word as we can. That why I quared the scripture of the pathway of the righteous one. Jesus does not reveal Gods purposes right away or all at once, and like his older disciples we are impatient, trying to guess, but he patiently and lovenly guides us.As he told the apostles, they were not able to hear certains things at this time.
bgillard12 3 months ago
@bgillard12 You'll notice that God's light never contradicts itself. Sure He reveals aspects of His plans gradually and over a period of time, but they do not contradict themselves because they are God's truths. JW 'truths' however frequently contradict themselves. More often than not JW 'new light' will turn the previous teaching on its head; really it's the total and exact opposite of how God accomplishes things.
AnonDude2 2 months ago
The point I am trying to make should be obvious, all of Christ disciples including JWs have always tried to figure out when, and what Jesus meant, and like the disciples, we make wrong assumptions also, and have to be corrected at times. His people have always questioned him, and want to know, and try to quess, it natural if you are interested in God.Jesus praised them for this curosity, even though sometimes they were wrong.
bgillard12 3 months ago
@bgillard12 Oh yeah, I totally agree! It's in the nature of the game to wonder about the meaning of some of Jesus teachings. And as imperfect humans we do get it wrong. But that wasn't the question I asked. The question I asked was why Jehovah's Witnesses punish people who question so severely when there is that large margin of error?
AnonDude2 2 months ago
Just like all of the disciples of Jesus, we make mistakes also, did you not read where the disciples of Christ who was with him at the time, were thinking that the last days were going to come in their generation, he had to correct their thinking just as he has to correct our thinking today. Gods word the bible says that" the pathway of the righteous one gets brighter and brighter as the day go along," slowely and in his own time he shows us what he wants us to know, but we keep speculating.
bgillard12 3 months ago
@bgillard12 And what's your point? I read your paragraph and still don't know what you are trying to say.
AnonDude2 3 months ago
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Batmanmatrixseven 3 months ago
I am not a JW, but I think you have asked a good question. From what I understand JWs are meant to follow the teachings and God will piece together the rest when the time is right for JWs to understand it.
JWs are told that sometimes they will not understand why some things happen a certain way, but will be revealed in time when it's right. They are like a flock of sheep and follow the organization the best way they can. They want you to study and make the religion there own, but want you to
MatildaDusk 3 months ago
"Running ahead of Jehovah's organization" was considered bad. For instance, I heard of a young man who questioned a doctrine and explained how he thought it really was. He was DF'd for not backing down. Within a couple of years the org wound up having "new light" and changed to that way of thinking.
I assumed he'd be apologized to and invited back into the fold. Instead they explained that he had run ahead of the organization and would have to go thru the reinstatement process to return.
artdolls 3 months ago
If someone is not sure about what the bible is saying then that person should ask God to revile it to them and not take some man's interpretation on it
prittydeb 3 months ago
ha @qsmooth is stoopider than a broomstik handel. Dumbskulle.
Jbeliski 3 months ago
Great question! I once asked a JW elder if WT literature is "God's non-inspired Word." He agreed. Check out my Quick Questions For Jehovah's Witnesses #'s 35 & 37 as I ask similar questions. You might want to turn that auto focus off.
EvidenceMinistries 3 months ago
excellent video, by the way
1001suns 3 months ago
Because the JW society is a cult
1001suns 3 months ago
Auto focus, bro...
ScottONanski 4 months ago
They have been punished because other people think that they should punished us, like you? <______< nub
pinnewolf 4 months ago
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willtheman3 4 months ago
@willtheman3 - Not true. As a person who's conducted bible studies, I can assure you the potential recruit is NEVER encouraged to come on youtube to do an investigation of the WT organization. Imagine, you as a person who has a bible study, having to defend the WT organization every day because of actual things the WT saw fit to publish in their past publications? Youtube has made this very evident to anyone willing to let logic be their guide.
No JW could handle it. Lies run from Truth.
RODikUlus 3 months ago
I enjoyed this video so much that I'm setting the content to music! It will be my next rap song! It should be ready by the end of today. I'm using the Maracenna with a rap (in english) about trustuing a fallible organisation run by fallible men. The chorus will simply be my reading John 1:1 (in spanish) so that I keep the latin feel!
MrLimeyBob 4 months ago
A first class video - well done
MrLimeyBob 4 months ago
U need 2 study d bible more, before u post such stupid questions on u-tube. By d way tonythetiger1004 seems gay 4 sum reason.
akuguykej 4 months ago
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willtheman3 4 months ago
""Founded in the late 1870s by Charles Taze Russell""......... sounds like a cult to me. Joseph Smith started his own denomination as well. Lets not forget Martin Luther. Any nut job can start his own denomination, I think ill start the Church of Bacon tomorrow, WHO'S WITH ME!!!!
tonythetiger1004 4 months ago
@tonythetiger1004 Oh dear Lord I love bacon . . . .
AnonDude2 4 months ago 2
JW's are not allowed to use the internet.
They can be disfellowshipped for blogging. They are also not allowed to play non-JW video games, such as Grand Theft Auto and Halo Reach.
I am not sure how they can get paid for holidays they are not allowed to celebrate. Celebration of anything can lead to disfellowship.
They came up with their own version of Lord of the Rings called "The Disfellowship of the Ring" and "The Two WatchTowers". They are not allowed to vote on which movie was better.
HoodCoderMan 4 months ago
to hide and is afraid that their cover will be blown. By the way their lies will be known, it's only a matter of time before the WTBS suffers a collapse!!!
Asoldier1844 4 months ago
And so they go as far as to not even say a "hello" that passage does not say that.... Clearly the Scripture states that those who persist in wanting to live out of harmony with Bible standards must be disfellowshipped, but you must continue to reach them, not in association as before (making the individual feel as he is right in his sinful ways) but rather as in visitation talking and continuing showing love to the individual. JW's go the extreme because the WT has a history of lies to hide and
Asoldier1844 4 months ago
This is the Scripture that JW's take to the extreme "In my letter I wrote YOU to quit mixing in company with fornicators, 10 not [meaning] entirely with the fornicators of this world or the greedy persons and extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, YOU would actually have to get out of the world. 11 But now I am writing YOU to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating wit
Asoldier1844 4 months ago
Shut up!!!! If ur talkin about disfellowshipping its all in the attitude. If u had some sense u would kno that. And its not opinions its the frikin bible
qsmooth03594 4 months ago
@qsmooth03594 Thank you for your insightful comment! I never thought about it that way before. Actually I am woefully uneducated; I don't know too much at all. But clearly you do, so why don't you explain this disfellowshipping thing to me? I wasn't talking about that in my video, but that doesn't matter! So please, explain to me where Jesus says that we must not say a greeting to non-Witness family members and must not eat with them. I'd like to see that scripture brother.
AnonDude2 4 months ago 4
@qsmooth03594 - Disfellowshipping is in the bible, and so is abortion. When Paul was mentioning disfellowshipping, did you not know that he was an opinionated idiot? He was stating what HE would do, and then tried swaying others to do the same. In any of Jesus accounts, where do you see Jesus endorsing the act of disfellowshipping?
Now, the question of the day: Mormons disfellowship too. Are the Mormons right when they disfellowship their members? Please answer, and explain.
RODikUlus 3 months ago
You're Not Normal If You Think I'm Not Normal , "For me, insanity is super sanity. The normal is psychotic. Normal means lack of imagination, lack of creativity."
Creationzeroatom 4 months ago
We do believe doctrines are correct, however, we never insist that our religion is right and all of the others are wrong. Quite the contrary actually because we believe that everyone has trhe right to make their own choices and to be free to make open minded decisions. Un-like most religions of todays world, however, we don't condemn you for not being a part of our religion. We simply believe it is our god given duty to save the rest of mankind from the tempations of Satan the Devil.
steelclover8 4 months ago
@steelclover8 Are you one of Jehovah's Witnesses?
AnonDude2 4 months ago
@AnonDude2 Yes. Were you ever part of the organization?
steelclover8 4 months ago
@steelclover8 Raised in it. Baptized. Auxiliary Pioneer for almost 3 years. Never been disfellowshipped. I find it hard to believe that you're a Jehovah's Witness because should know that people are absolutely condemned for not being Jehovah's Witnesses, or leaving them. Disfellowshipping is essentially a death-sentence passed by your Elder body. Is it, or is it not, a common belief that disfellowshipped ones will not make it through Armageddon? And there is no 'open-mindedness' either.
AnonDude2 4 months ago
@AnonDude2 Well, you see to know exactly what your talking about, but I don't think i'm the one you should be looking for answers from, being that I'm 14. I do know qutie a lot about being a witness, and what I do know makes me happy. I personally think that you should be asking a more educated Jehovah's Witness about the matter.
steelclover8 4 months ago
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Charvel2Fender 4 months ago
@Charvel2Fender Wow you have no idea who you are talking to. It is clear you haven't watched ANY of my videos as I have covered all the scriptures of which you speak. Of course the dead are conscious of nothing until they are resurrected! I do not deny the teachings of Jesus, I deny the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses which shift and change every few years to suit their needs. Jesus on the other hand, is clear and consistent. You comments are needlessly lengthy and say nothing.
AnonDude2 4 months ago
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Charvel2Fender 4 months ago
@Charvel2Fender exactly right. Remember when Jesus ressurected his friend Lazarus? We have an identical hope
steelclover8 4 months ago
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Charvel2Fender 4 months ago
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Charvel2Fender 4 months ago
@Charvel2Fender I'm not exactly sure where you're going with this. (a) How is your comment relevant in any way to the question posed in the video? (b) Are you saying that there is no heavenly hope? No earthly hope? No hope? What resurrection are you speaking about? And lastly, I would argue about how 'clear' Witness doctrine actually is. Considering that Jesus never spoke about the hope that they present to everyone at their doorsteps.
AnonDude2 4 months ago
did you know that the founder of the Jehovahs witnesses Charles Taze Russell was a 33rd degree Mason? And the 1st Kingdom hall had an Egyptian Pagan symbol above the front door? later removed! The new world transations is another way of saying New World Order!
look4urself 4 months ago
lol. "An honest hearted question"? Your hand gestures and mannerisms suggest otherwise. Your delivery was with a hint of rude attitude. Why don't you discuss the matter with some JW's at your house if you're so interested to get some new information on a subject. JW's are about as knowledgable as anyone on the subject you're concerned with and willing to give up their time to help you get a better grasp. It makes more sense than putting together a comical video.
jasonyoungisnumber1 4 months ago
@jasonyoungisnumber1 I'm going to go ahead and be nice about this because I don't think you're actually a JW. Firstly, JWs don't know their own doctrine; most do not even stop to evaluate their beliefs. I know because I was one from birth. Secondly I would LOVE to ask a JW these questions, but you know what? They won't talk with 'Apostates' like me becuase we have questions they can't answer. Nobody has even attempted to answer the question, and I know I have JWs watching my channel.
AnonDude2 4 months ago
Excellent question!!! I doubt if the JWs will have an answer to the question.
MrIcetreyman 5 months ago
@MrIcetreyman See any answers? No? lol then it would appear that you sir, are right. :P
AnonDude2 5 months ago
I think on Walsh Trial the same question was raised. And the answer was that for the sake of the unity (even in falsehood) rank and files must accept everything and not to question it...
That's why r&f need to avoid independent thinking... otherwise, that would destroy forced unity, and then they would not be able to brag about being the only ones who have unity as Jesus prayed in John 17...
antocjo 5 months ago
I'm posting this question on fb
kaigedbyrd 5 months ago
No answers from JWs ? Nothing? <=-|
*silence*
jwFairyTale 5 months ago
@jwFairyTale You have it wrong fairy! They are answering so loudly and resoundingly you merely have the perception that it is silence.
AnonDude2 5 months ago
You made me remember some other things. I even got into dutch with some bro's for making citations from WT publications & documents, material in current articles & current book studies. Quite odd.
anissueofursincerity 5 months ago
Really good approach. Will try this out. Thank you for another great video.
Truth4JWs 5 months ago
Like Michael =ing Jesus, it's not really a 'doctrine' even. It's an opinion, a vulnerable one considering the christian writer Jude talks about Michael's mention in apocryphal writings, without making the point that is individual is the master Jesus, by the way. Yet to reject this opinion gets you into trouble.
anissueofursincerity 5 months ago
@archeng123 It's a problem that we'll figure out how to fix one day. Because you and I both know that regardless of the conclusion if you get a Jehovah's Witness to THINK about how illogical their doctrines are they will come to the realization that what they've been told is false.
AnonDude2 5 months ago