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"Darwin’s idea has been an unmitigated failure from the start. Darwinist biology is perhaps the only major scientific theory which has subsisted in an unbroken state of crisis since its inception. I contend, in fact, that the Darwinian model has proved worthless as a biological paradigm, which is to say that Darwinism is not truly a scientific theory, but indeed an ideological postulate masquerading in scientific garb."
@Entropy56 You are wrong Evolution and mutations happened, otherwise we couldn't breed dogs from wolves now could we? Are dogs unreal? What fantasy world do you live in? I'm perplexed since only Americans are so stupid that they try and disprove Evolution with Nothing, but religious nonsense.
@Chazorvigg Africans, Europeans, Asians and Australians are also likely to do this. Americans are not universally stupid, stupid people are universally stupid. It just looks like there is a lot of them in America as it is the centre of the world's media, and stupid people talk the loudest.
Please visit my channel for the unpopular truth about homosexuality.
A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption. Even non-religious people know this.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
I enjoy listening to Daniel Dennett and I hope you guys got something out of this lecture,but for the most part all I got was.......Cough!!! cough!!! ahem uh cough!!! cough!!! XD
@Joeofiowa It was just a museum when I visited. The Blue Mosque, however, still functions as a mosque. Wikipedia says "Today, use of the complex as a place of worship (mosque or church) is strictly prohibited. However, in 2006, it was reported that the Turkish government allowed the allocation of a small room in the museum complex to be used as a prayer room for Christian and Muslim museum staff" - and gives two references confirming this.
Citing Rick Warren quotes as evidence of Christian beliefs is like citing a freshman philosophy student on the methods of philisophical thought. It is easy to attack a weak-minded person and the things that person has said as a guise or trick for attacking the actual belief structure. I hope no one falls into the trap of equating the two.
Just to add that Dan's last comments about Home Schoolers not wanting to teach reason. criticism and atheism must be a singularly american perspective. We home school in the UK and specifically because we didn't want the children to be wierdly influenced by the religious ideas inherent in the british education system. Dennet is my favourite philosopher and Dawkins a great and misunderstood hero. :)
@magictrickem I went to Catholic school in Ireland and I came out atheist. I doubt the schools over there are more over-zealous than here (Except private schools, who seem to be QUITE zealous :P)
@magictrickem Well, perhaps your experiences with home schooling are simply different from others. Some home schooled children here become exceedingly intelligent, however, I watched a documentary about a young girl who was home schooled in the UK, and ended up being an evangelical young earth creationist that follows old Kent Hovind lectures and Witnesses Way of the Master style. I WISH I could remember the name of the documentery, it was...very well done.
Hold on a minute... how can violent games be a threat of the rational world... alcohol i can understand... drugs obviously (those that make addicted and most psychopharmaceutical anyway)... but the last one should be humans disposition towards unthoughtfulness (stupidity) coupled with rashness...
As RD says, Dennett's talk has so many gems of wisdom and humour. Almost every sentence inspires thought.
At 1:15:50 RD mentions his interview with Vatican Chief Astronomer George Coyne. As RD says, a video of thie interview is on the RDF website. Search for "
The sound is appalling on this. Also the Rig Veda has been conservatively dated to 1500 to 1700 BCE, it's aural tradition goes back further then this. So Dan is historically wrong that Judaism is the "oldest religion" which is unacceptable.
@Rabsputin He mentioned continuous religion. There are plenty of extinct religions that pre-date Hinduism. Still he's not clear or he's wrong. Both pretty bad traits in a communicator. Whatever. Quite like him.
@LambrettaFunk He did in fact mention that some religions died out with the ideas that spawned them. In terms of continuous religion I think his point is about the mechanism of religion carrying forward as well as certain religions sticking around for the long haul.
@Rabsputin The Mesopotamian religions perhaps even older. Picking at minutiae while ignoring his premise of religions as memes is probably missing the point. arguing the historicity of various religions is pointless in regards to the points he's making about an evolution of thought and ideas.
@LambrettaFunk It's unacceptable that a person not know all of the history of all religions? Sorry, but nobody knows everything about everything, and that being the human condition, it's quite acceptable, in fact expected.
If it is of concern to you, inform him rather than making pointless recriminations.
@LambrettaFunk From: "@GermanChocolateCake WTH? If that person is going t get up in front of an audience and proclaim "truths" then those "truths" have to be historically correct.
So, no I dont expect it from the likes of you (whoever he hell you are) but from a person such as Dennett,undeniably YES!!!!!! (Urgh, youtube is full of idiots)"
Did you perhaps regret your petulant attitude and remove that comment? Consider me an idiot if you wish, but you don't know me so you're just speculating.
@GermanChocolateCake WTH? If that person is going to get up in front of an audience and proclaim "truths" then those "truths" have to be historically correct.
So, no I dont expect it from the likes of you (whoever the hell you are) but from a person such as Dennett,undeniably YES!!!!!! (Urgh, youtube is full of idiots)
The sound is appalling on this. Also the Rig Veda has been conservatively dated to 1500 to 1700 BCE, it's aural tradition goes back further then this. So Dan is historically wrong, which is unacceptable.
@egm108 yes, because believers are so reasonable in their beliefs that they can be convinced to give them up given the right arguments ;) That only happens in science I'm afraid. Most of the people who loose belief, do that on their own, no amount of rational arguments is going to sway irrational belief, it has to come from the inside. Think about it.
@GuyComplex that was not really my point. You can't become a believer out of rational arguments, that is obvious by definition of faith, my point was that people do not *loose belief* out of rational arguments neither.
@egm108 So when then do the religious preach to the religious, should they be out trying to convince us atheists? I see it no more impressive that the religious preach to each other in churches. No religious rhetoric, no matter how profound it presents itself has managed to stir me since I gave it up. So does that mean the religious have wasted their time in church?
Tit for tat. Free speech does not require your approval (nor mine).
It's time for gays to adopt straightness—to put aside their gayness—to embrace appropriate gaiety—to live, to love & to laugh, & to joust, with pronghorns directed frontward.
1:02:14 :o That hair is ringing a bell.. I'm pretty sure this is Susan Blackmore. She did a TED talk in 2008 about memes, and I just happen to have watched it yesterday.
Language is not a prequisite for religion actually. Other animals are superstitious too, as has been shown by studies. Positive feedback of doing things the "right way" is ingrained in our brains just as other animals have, like receiving random pellets of food after doing certain movements. Magical thinking isn't unique to humans, it is one of the oldest instinctive forms of useless side-products. Paranoia does no real harm, it is good to be careful, but it leads to superstition and religion.
“Atheists” are non-readers so then their beliefs are based on hearsay. "Atheists" are traditionally no threat, academically, to anyone. [Stephen Hawking gets special deference because of his infirmity. He's extraordinarily vague in his public pronouncements concerning verifiable science (knowledge) and therefor he's the perfect carnival barker for disenfranchised college-age nabobs who slam religious philosophy because it's in fashion.]
@YourUTubeMonitor I take it you mean "non-reader" in the sense of reading many books rather than reading one rather badly written book and assuming that constitutes the sum total of human knowledge. I have to point out most of us atheists have read at least one of the supposed holy books - that's usually a huge part of why we are atheists.
@YourUTubeMonitor You mean "congregation WRITES"; congregation is a singular word. And you mean "brethren ARE"; brethren is a plural word. And hey, thanks for sharing your thoughts about good writing!
@YourUTubeMonitor Sorry, but brethren is simply an archaic plural form for brother; it means brothers. The word brotherhood can be used in a couple of senses, one of which is "a group of brothers". So you might have spoken of "the atheist brotherhood" in connection with a singular verb.
@jackfrombaltimore : This is no place for sorrow. The dictionary doesn't designate brethren as archaic. A brethren is a group, surely as, to paraphrase myself with your grammar : "Why ARE your group so poorly represented...?" Read. Research. Impress women.
"brethren is" is wrong. "Brethren is a PLURAL NOUN. And it's archaic, according to the Collins English Dictionary. Google it. Check it out. Then get over it!
@nithelmusic It depends on what use a thing has if it is called God. He? I find this to be true about everyone that has a god, they are always using the word to name something. Some use it as a moral absolute, a kind of conscience reference. For example: "This is what God wants me to do." Either way, I accept that God is a word, that can be infinitely ambiguous, and therefore isn't much use as concrete definitions in our language.
@Juefawn It sounds very interresting, but I'm not sure I follow your point of view. Do you believe in god? And if you do, is it god, as in the cause of our existence, or god, as in whatever anybody think god is? I'm a bit confused why you would ever need to talk about god as a word without meaning...
@nithelmusic As I said, God is a word, that can be used to reference anything and as long as it has some empirical basis then it exists not only as a term. I may believe in "god" or I may not. It depends on whether or not the person is talking about god and I can understand what they are referring to, and if I choose to agree with them, that word suffices. It would be easier to understand what I mean if you knew about semantics. If you already do, okay.
@Juefawn "Rmouhgpe" is also a word that can be used to reference anything. But that doesn't make it particular usefull or relevant in any kind of discussion... If we forget that the word 'god' exists for a moment, do you believe in a creator of the universe?
@nithelmusic True but Rmoughpe isn't a word that is widely used by many, or made into something deserving veneration of sorts. If it was to be used, I would take the same approach 2it as "God".
Do I believe in a creator of the universe? I accept that there is a probability that the universe may have been designed by an exterior being, but not as much as I accept that the universe is closed system unto itself, given my familiarity with the evidence. Its kind of like the S.Cat.
Anyways, he also is likly to wake up once he realizes that he is asleep. How does he know that he is asleep? He remembers himself before falling asleep or starts to question some phenomena, not just reasoning it away. You need to experience it to understand it clearly.
Now, what if we are asleep right now? How do we know that we are not asleep??? We don't know! Because we cannot remember ourselves before we fall asleep.
Let's look at the man who is asleep. If you can remember you dreams, you will understand me. He lives there, he doesn't question flying or persons appearing from nowhere. He cannot realize that he is asleep, until he wakes up. Now, if you ever experienced lucid dreaming, you know that it is when a man knows that he is dreaming and he can control his dream and do some weird things like flying or creating things out of air or fall asleep in the dream...
Dan is very smart and has a powerful mind. His explanations are good if a listener doesn't have enough knowledge or ability of mind to counter reason. This takes time to gain.
I can not claim this title, but I do have some ideas I cannot prove his way or my own way...
@mathprodigy : Well then you have to thank God that he survived his recent aorta replacement surgery don't you? Oh wait -- he had doctors doing that for him didn't he? Right -- better thank the doctors instead.
A classless,monyless,stateless communities of humanity in cooperation to take care of our needs and well being , expressing our creative energies in freedom of being. Capitalism is the manipulation of resources and technology for the private gain of a few in a monetary system that enslaves immense humanity in wage slavery of useless employment system that dehumanises and denies our human creative potential for a world of harmony within and without.
In response to "vitalsigns1"- Why do you assume God would cast atheists into hell? Atheists are not evil,far from it , they understand good and rightousness without the threats that religion throws at people. logic and reason is not something you can "Throw away"!
I beg all Atheists...PLEASE, throw away your logic and reasoning FOR ONCE and turn to God for Salvation!!! PLEASE PLEASE I just beg you so much PLEASE just pray to God because if you don't you'll go to hell and I don't want that to happen...it makes me cry to know that so many atheists are in hell right now...God doesn't want that to happen, but he does want you to BEG HIM FOR MERCY...please just do it...it's the only way to avoid the anguish and torture of hell...please
@friendofthefunk If you think that belief presuposes a relationship between the object of belief and the believer, Gos himself is an atheist. Also, apart from not asking anything, we are not licking his a** all the time.
@VitalSigns1 only slaves surrender. the last thing I would EVER surrender is my mind and my ability to use reason and logic...and if god existed I am sure he would not approve, let alone require me to throw such a gift in the trash
@MrTruthAddict God wants to speak to your HEART, not to your mind. Logic and reason are not needed to find God. You must throw them away in order to find him. He is a spiritual entity, one that cannot be reasoned with by human logic. If you don't do this, well there will be very unfortunate consequences for you my friend.
@VitalSigns1 your statement is both silly and evil. It's silly because there is no way you can possibly know what an invisible man in the sky wants. It's evil because you want people to take their most valuable asset and flush it down the toulet so they will be a non thinking robot like you.
If there is a hell it is reserved for people like you.
@MrTruthAddict Don't preach to me boy. I know my God better than you'll ever know the truth. I've been a die hard Christian for 17 years, and I am 100% sure of the truth. I know, as do many enlightened individuals, that the ONLY way to salvation is through Jesus Christ. You must take him into your heart, and if not, you will burn in hell. Why? Because you're a sinner. We're all sinners. The only ticket out of eternal damnation is through Christ's blood on the cross. Trust me I know.
@VitalSigns1 you KNOW nothing. You BELIEVE in the immoral and disgusting practice of human sacrifice. Even worse you believe that you can be relieved of your responsibility by simply murdering a man who claims to be a god.
Haha the beliefs is the Aztecs makes more sense. At least they were murdering someone for a tangible reason. You believe murdering someone will allow you to live forever in the clouds. You should be embarrassed to defend such silliness.
@VitalSigns1 I've been studying these things for 30 years, twice as long as you've been deluded by these man made stories. As a preachers kid I decided to seek the truth about these things instead of blindly believing what people were telling me to believe.
@MrTruthAddict Don't listen to people, listen to God. God makes it clear what you need to do. You know in your heart what you must do, but your proud mind always wants to rebel. We all have that nature. I used to be like you, wanting to rebel against God, but I followed my heart and you should do the same. Stop following your mind, follow your heart. It's what God wants.
@VitalSigns1 I have stopped listening to people. People who have no right to claim they know anything about the unknowable. People like you who are merely regurgitating things you've heard others say. The ARROGANCE you people have us amazing. Where science says " if I am wrong show me your proof and I will agree", you religious people say "we KNOW the truth and no amount of reason it logic will convince me otherwise." It's childish and silly the way you function.
@VitalSigns1 Except that it's not holy. It's just a book, written by simple-minded, uneducated men in the stone age and bronze age who were typical of men in those days. Very superstitious, and very ignorant about the explanations behind how the universe works. PROVE that this book of fables is the inerrant word of god and I WILL convert to your faith, here and now...today!
@MrTruthAddict Alright. The proof is that Jesus did miracles. How could they happen without God? Also, if you're an Atheist you must believe that something came from nothing which is nonsensical.
@VitalSigns1 Where's the proof? There are many man-gods throughout history who were supposedly born of virgins and who walked around supposedly performing miracles. The jesus story is a cheap counterfeit of all the other "man-god born of a virgin" stories that came before it. How do you propose to prove that this man who historians never mention during the time of his supposed life on earth, performed miracles? and not ONE of those historians ever mentions any of these miracles! hello???
@MrTruthAddict Hmm well you make an interesting point there. Luckily for me, I have my faith to back me up. All I have to know is that I know what I know because I know what I know. This is proof that I'm a true Christian and that you are NOT. I feel it in my heart, it's there.
@VitalSigns1 Really? So all I have to do is really really really believe that the moon is made of green cheese and then the moon will magically be made of green cheese? That's amazing! I suggest you look up the Marjoe Gortner videos here on youtube. You'll see the reality of this Jesus thing.
@VitalSigns1, I am an atheist and I do not have any issue with your belief even if it is in god(s) - but if you are religious you are a fool. Why? People need their beliefs to survive. Everybody, according to their knowledge, has their own system of beliefs. People may assume same belief system which becomes a religion when is institutionalized. Hence, it is an ideology; it hijacks human’s beliefs aming to suppress and dilute people’s minds. I reject the need of it.
@VitalSigns1 Napolean exists in my heart. In fact, i am Napolean. You might disagree, but I know it's true. I feel it.
Beliefs aren't necessarily true. Facts are. And even facts, you can argue, are only relatively true (which is why science is constantly pushing thought) -- but pure faith, has absolutely no reason to be true other than to provide irrational comfort. If it makes you feel better to believe in God, fine. But, it's still, not true.
@MrBrownstone1475 I believe my faith is more powerful than anything in the world. I believe my faith is 100% TRUE and that you MUST SEE IT. I will go around preaching to the world to try to get them to change their beliefs to along with mine because, well honestly, I KNOW I'M RIGHT!! I wouldn't go pushing my beliefs if I had any doubt whatsoever. This in fact is evidence that my facts are more legitimate than yours!! You even doubt your own science!!! That's pathetic!!!!!
@VitalSigns1 I'm unconvinced because it is simply your mere belief that makes you certain; You're essentially saying "please believe me" and that's why we should believe; circular reasoning at its finest. Your devotion to pushing your belief doesn't make the belief *true.*
I don't doubt science - science best describes all tangible, consistent, behaviors in the universe. It's a constant process of fitting together a more complete understanding of our reality; god limits your thinking.
@VitalSigns1 that feeling you have in your "heart" is very real and exists in many people who are not religious. you attach that feeling to fairytales of talking snakes, etc. and profess that that is where this majestic feeling is coming from(even when these stories are merely adaptations of other religions). That "feeling" can simply be used to appreciate the grand phenomenon that is life, rather than try to describe it with literal interpretations of fairytales
@VitalSigns1 to say that you feel something in your "heart", is just a way of trying to use language to describe a feeling that exists in the consciousness of the human mind. with that understood you can see where literal interpretations of any religious text is absurd. religion was created by early man to try to make sense of things before there was the capability to further understand existence. i think we can agree that as time goes things grow and people learn
@123daydream321 The bible says that people like you are sent by the devil to try to use intelligence to trick us into not believing. The bible specifically says to avoid using high intelligence to counter the arguments within it, for it is a sin. Now who should I trust, you who's controlled by the devil, or God? I think I'll go with God thank you very much.
@VitalSigns1 you are severely deluded. your religion has led you to believe that people like me are controlled by the devil. which is quite insulting but then again i can only feel sorry for you that you actually believe that. for one thing you have no clue who i am or what i do. in your head i may go out at night and eat the souls of other people but i know that im not controlled by the devil kind of like how you "know" jesus was the son of god. except my account is more credible.
@VitalSigns1 you have proved that you have closed off the part of your brain that allows freethinking and the acceptance of information." higher intelligence a sin"? i will continue my life with compassion for others and free of dogmatic thinking. that means i will live without believing fairytales just because thats what ive been told is right and not to question it. this will be my last post, i have wasted enough time as it is. you shoudnt have came to this video if you didnt want to learn
@VitalSigns1 Atheists in general do not argue based on trust or belief, in fact by definition they are anti-belief as are all naturalists/scientists. 123daydream321 does not want you to believe him, he wants you to consider the assertions he made and see if they logically can be deduced from natural observables. I would bet that he would in fact be pleased if you could logically disprove his deductions and thus expand his knowledge.
@VitalSigns1 Don't you see? If he was really sent by the devil, he would present himself as someone you can trust so that he could deceive you, and not as someone who you would distrust immediately. In other words, the devil would probably appear to you in the form of someone you trust the most, i.e. your priest/ preacher/ religious leader, your parents, your friends, your brother/sister, your lover, your children. He is everywhere. >: ) HAIL SATAN!
Your religion teaches you to be unintelligent? Yeah, that sounds like a GREAT idea. And here you are, trying to argue with intelligent, learned people.
@VitalSigns1 Thank you for being so caring! Here you are, caring for my eternal soul more than me... I am embarrassed... you are clearly a better person than I am... you must have saved dozens of people from hellfire by now, I just process insurance claims. I so wish I was you.
@VitalSigns1 This is the most ridiculous plea I have ever read. How do you know who will and who won't burn in Hell? How do you know their is a hell? have you seen it. So how am I or any one else a sinner. Because Adam sinned, so where all stained. It is ridiculous. If God does not want ppl to burn in hell, then he just has to not send anyone there. It is pretty simple. He can do anything he wants, but choose to punish us all with eternal damnation. What an awesome god you believe in.
@jrwilson98 The greatest thing is when you point out that god did the opposite of what he said he would do and they say, "he's god, he doesn't have to follow the rules he sets for us". Case in point, for the naysayers, Jesus said that people who call others fools will burn in hell (Matt 5:22} and then in Matt 23:17-19 calls people fools, YET, for some reason, even though he doesn't want to send you to hell, he HAS to. Religion is poison of the mind.
@cakeisnotanumber I don't understand where the question comes from since I'm atheist. Did you confuse me with someone else? I re-read the last thing I wrote and nothing there indicates that I would be in favor of children getting stoned for cursing their parents out.
@thelordmemnoch Apologies! I totally misread your comment - doh! It's an insane piece of scripture though isn't it? Have a good day and apologies for the misunderstanding :)
Oh, well if we're all so ignorant as to know nothing, please do enlighten us with the infinite knowledge contained within this magical tome that YOU had the wisdom to choose.
Dennett isn't that great an explainer of ideas. In his writing, he usually gives a brief one or two paragraph definition of a term and then proceeds to use it with gusto. In contrast with Dawkins, who takes entire chapters to drill in a single idea.
Just a hypothetical what if and I am not doing this for argument sake but nearly to open a discussion. What if one has a logical philosophical idea but lack the language to express it. For example something feels as if it where a paradox one express this with no reference that was created say through conditioning or observable reality.
Also you can take into account that if the language is not there the meaning will have to be expressed in ways that builds from existing known references.
“You will never see a spear making a spear. You will never see a horse shoe making a blacksmith. You will never see a pot making a potter.” –Dennett.
Well, the spear tells who made it. The horse shoe tells you who the maker is. Now, you will never see a pot laughing--mocking in the hands of its Creator without getting broken(into small pieces) or thrown outside. Don’t you see this pile of disobedient pots by my side?
“You will never see a spear making a spear. You will never see a horse shoe making a blacksmith. You will never see a pot making a potter.” –Dennett.
Well, the spear tells who made it. The horse shoe tells you who the maker is. Now, you will never see a pot laughing--mocking in the hands of its Creator without getting broken(into small pieces) or thrown outside. Don’t you see this pile of disobedient pots by my side?
very interesting thanks
bribribri56 6 days ago
Very enjoyable thank you
distractionxx 6 days ago
interesting video and very informative
ttwilkable 1 week ago
love the video really good
xtremetom180 1 week ago
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"Darwin’s idea has been an unmitigated failure from the start. Darwinist biology is perhaps the only major scientific theory which has subsisted in an unbroken state of crisis since its inception. I contend, in fact, that the Darwinian model has proved worthless as a biological paradigm, which is to say that Darwinism is not truly a scientific theory, but indeed an ideological postulate masquerading in scientific garb."
Entropy56 2 months ago
@Entropy56 You are wrong Evolution and mutations happened, otherwise we couldn't breed dogs from wolves now could we? Are dogs unreal? What fantasy world do you live in? I'm perplexed since only Americans are so stupid that they try and disprove Evolution with Nothing, but religious nonsense.
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How good of you to take such an inclusive view of the global community of science-denying idiots.
AdNeeb 1 month ago
@Chazorvigg Africans, Europeans, Asians and Australians are also likely to do this. Americans are not universally stupid, stupid people are universally stupid. It just looks like there is a lot of them in America as it is the centre of the world's media, and stupid people talk the loudest.
davesake 3 weeks ago
@Entropy56 Why are you so stupid?
thesparitan 1 month ago
Bad sound quality
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@SheIbyCobra "Starts at 3:36 , but don't click that or else you'll miss Richard Fucking Dawkins."
Ooooh! Richard Fucking Dawkins huh? How saucy. I wonder which one of them will be on top. : P
skepticoz 4 months ago
I enjoy listening to Daniel Dennett and I hope you guys got something out of this lecture,but for the most part all I got was.......Cough!!! cough!!! ahem uh cough!!! cough!!! XD
argh698 4 months ago
Love this guy. But one correction: the Hagia Sophia is still used as a functional mosque.
Joeofiowa 4 months ago
@Joeofiowa It was just a museum when I visited. The Blue Mosque, however, still functions as a mosque. Wikipedia says "Today, use of the complex as a place of worship (mosque or church) is strictly prohibited. However, in 2006, it was reported that the Turkish government allowed the allocation of a small room in the museum complex to be used as a prayer room for Christian and Muslim museum staff" - and gives two references confirming this.
EqualAndFree 4 months ago
cant understand a word he says
cnestudy1 6 months ago
Citing Rick Warren quotes as evidence of Christian beliefs is like citing a freshman philosophy student on the methods of philisophical thought. It is easy to attack a weak-minded person and the things that person has said as a guise or trick for attacking the actual belief structure. I hope no one falls into the trap of equating the two.
jabbathe22 7 months ago
There's a book called The Religion Virus which uses memes to explain religion. It's kind of a dumb downed version of this lecture. Sort of.
thepatrick0012 8 months ago
Just to add that Dan's last comments about Home Schoolers not wanting to teach reason. criticism and atheism must be a singularly american perspective. We home school in the UK and specifically because we didn't want the children to be wierdly influenced by the religious ideas inherent in the british education system. Dennet is my favourite philosopher and Dawkins a great and misunderstood hero. :)
magictrickem 8 months ago
@magictrickem I went to Catholic school in Ireland and I came out atheist. I doubt the schools over there are more over-zealous than here (Except private schools, who seem to be QUITE zealous :P)
PopeSnowball 6 months ago
@magictrickem Well, perhaps your experiences with home schooling are simply different from others. Some home schooled children here become exceedingly intelligent, however, I watched a documentary about a young girl who was home schooled in the UK, and ended up being an evangelical young earth creationist that follows old Kent Hovind lectures and Witnesses Way of the Master style. I WISH I could remember the name of the documentery, it was...very well done.
BigLundi 5 months ago
sell the vatican, feed the hungry!
cruelbusiness1984 8 months ago
Why so much coughing in the audience? A memetic throat clearing? STOP!
Godophobe 9 months ago
Hold on a minute... how can violent games be a threat of the rational world... alcohol i can understand... drugs obviously (those that make addicted and most psychopharmaceutical anyway)... but the last one should be humans disposition towards unthoughtfulness (stupidity) coupled with rashness...
2Draco39 9 months ago
As RD says, Dennett's talk has so many gems of wisdom and humour. Almost every sentence inspires thought.
At 1:15:50 RD mentions his interview with Vatican Chief Astronomer George Coyne. As RD says, a video of thie interview is on the RDF website. Search for "
Richard Dawkins interviews Father George Coyne".
LsBaba 9 months ago
Dennet a genius and a boss
ManBearPigsApprentis 9 months ago
Thumbs down for shitty audio quality. Nothing personal, Dennett.
RookofIvory 9 months ago
The sound is appalling on this. Also the Rig Veda has been conservatively dated to 1500 to 1700 BCE, it's aural tradition goes back further then this. So Dan is historically wrong that Judaism is the "oldest religion" which is unacceptable.
LambrettaFunk 10 months ago
@LambrettaFunk he could be limiting himself to abrahamic religions.
the egyptian religions are much older than the hindu religions too.
Rabsputin 10 months ago
@Rabsputin He mentioned continuous religion. There are plenty of extinct religions that pre-date Hinduism. Still he's not clear or he's wrong. Both pretty bad traits in a communicator. Whatever. Quite like him.
LambrettaFunk 10 months ago
@LambrettaFunk He did in fact mention that some religions died out with the ideas that spawned them. In terms of continuous religion I think his point is about the mechanism of religion carrying forward as well as certain religions sticking around for the long haul.
GermanChocolateCake 9 months ago
@Rabsputin The Mesopotamian religions perhaps even older. Picking at minutiae while ignoring his premise of religions as memes is probably missing the point. arguing the historicity of various religions is pointless in regards to the points he's making about an evolution of thought and ideas.
GermanChocolateCake 9 months ago
@LambrettaFunk It's unacceptable that a person not know all of the history of all religions? Sorry, but nobody knows everything about everything, and that being the human condition, it's quite acceptable, in fact expected.
If it is of concern to you, inform him rather than making pointless recriminations.
But yes, the sound is lousy.
GermanChocolateCake 9 months ago
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LambrettaFunk 8 months ago
@LambrettaFunk From: "@GermanChocolateCake WTH? If that person is going t get up in front of an audience and proclaim "truths" then those "truths" have to be historically correct.
So, no I dont expect it from the likes of you (whoever he hell you are) but from a person such as Dennett,undeniably YES!!!!!! (Urgh, youtube is full of idiots)"
Did you perhaps regret your petulant attitude and remove that comment? Consider me an idiot if you wish, but you don't know me so you're just speculating.
GermanChocolateCake 8 months ago
@GermanChocolateCake Nope. If you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen.
LambrettaFunk 8 months ago
@LambrettaFunk Touché. I'm quite fine with the heat. I quite enjoy calling out hecklers.
GermanChocolateCake 8 months ago
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@GermanChocolateCake WTH? If that person is going to get up in front of an audience and proclaim "truths" then those "truths" have to be historically correct.
So, no I dont expect it from the likes of you (whoever the hell you are) but from a person such as Dennett,undeniably YES!!!!!! (Urgh, youtube is full of idiots)
LambrettaFunk 8 months ago
The sound is appalling on this. Also the Rig Veda has been conservatively dated to 1500 to 1700 BCE, it's aural tradition goes back further then this. So Dan is historically wrong, which is unacceptable.
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LambrettaFunk 10 months ago
Mr. Dennett is preaching to the choir; a choir of atheists. That's no feat.
He would get some credit if he can "preach" to the godly and convince them to give up God. That would be somthing to admire.
His rhetoric, no matter how impressive it may sound, still fails to stir the godly.
egm108 10 months ago
@egm108 yes, because believers are so reasonable in their beliefs that they can be convinced to give them up given the right arguments ;) That only happens in science I'm afraid. Most of the people who loose belief, do that on their own, no amount of rational arguments is going to sway irrational belief, it has to come from the inside. Think about it.
m4c13k86 10 months ago
@m4c13k86
Yes but this goes both ways.
You have non-religious ppl becoming religious
Moot point really as it goes both ways!
GuyComplex 6 months ago
@GuyComplex that was not really my point. You can't become a believer out of rational arguments, that is obvious by definition of faith, my point was that people do not *loose belief* out of rational arguments neither.
m4c13k86 6 months ago
@m4c13k86
Ah true say!
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GuyComplex 6 months ago
@egm108 So when then do the religious preach to the religious, should they be out trying to convince us atheists? I see it no more impressive that the religious preach to each other in churches. No religious rhetoric, no matter how profound it presents itself has managed to stir me since I gave it up. So does that mean the religious have wasted their time in church?
Tit for tat. Free speech does not require your approval (nor mine).
GermanChocolateCake 9 months ago
ANGIE BOWIE vs. MIKE TYSON—I'd pay to see Angie Bowie fight Mike Tyson or even Godzilla.
YourUTubeMonitor 11 months ago
It's time for gays to adopt straightness—to put aside their gayness—to embrace appropriate gaiety—to live, to love & to laugh, & to joust, with pronghorns directed frontward.
YourUTubeMonitor 11 months ago
@YourUTubeMonitor your funny
maniacchris 11 months ago
@YourUTubeMonitor you're* funny
maniacchris 11 months ago
OMG it's Charles Darwin. How creepy.
cantleysugar 1 year ago
1:02:14 :o That hair is ringing a bell.. I'm pretty sure this is Susan Blackmore. She did a TED talk in 2008 about memes, and I just happen to have watched it yesterday.
Flyborg 1 year ago
Daniel Dennett: a crazy ol' man
TAXtheAtheist 1 year ago
@TAXtheAtheist Dan, Dan, Crazy Man!
cantleysugar 1 year ago
The metaphysical world is fantastical to humans and humanoids with 3-pound brains, as 3-pound brains aren't brains enough to measure infinity.
YourUTubeMonitor 1 year ago
Language is not a prequisite for religion actually. Other animals are superstitious too, as has been shown by studies. Positive feedback of doing things the "right way" is ingrained in our brains just as other animals have, like receiving random pellets of food after doing certain movements. Magical thinking isn't unique to humans, it is one of the oldest instinctive forms of useless side-products. Paranoia does no real harm, it is good to be careful, but it leads to superstition and religion.
Simpson654 1 year ago
Sound is kind of bad, the audience drowns out the speaker whenever they laugh. 8(
suumr 1 year ago
a self-centered man who loves to entertain
tangerineful 1 year ago
“Atheists” are non-readers so then their beliefs are based on hearsay. "Atheists" are traditionally no threat, academically, to anyone. [Stephen Hawking gets special deference because of his infirmity. He's extraordinarily vague in his public pronouncements concerning verifiable science (knowledge) and therefor he's the perfect carnival barker for disenfranchised college-age nabobs who slam religious philosophy because it's in fashion.]
YourUTubeMonitor 1 year ago
@YourUTubeMonitor I take it you mean "non-reader" in the sense of reading many books rather than reading one rather badly written book and assuming that constitutes the sum total of human knowledge. I have to point out most of us atheists have read at least one of the supposed holy books - that's usually a huge part of why we are atheists.
jamesrands 1 year ago
@jamesrands : You-Tube's vast congregation of "atheists" write abysmally. Why is this so? Why is your brethren so poorly represented in this venue?
YourUTubeMonitor 1 year ago
@YourUTubeMonitor You mean "congregation WRITES"; congregation is a singular word. And you mean "brethren ARE"; brethren is a plural word. And hey, thanks for sharing your thoughts about good writing!
jackfrombaltimore 1 year ago
@jackfrombaltimore : Brethren is a synonym for brotherhood.
YourUTubeMonitor 1 year ago
@YourUTubeMonitor Sorry, but brethren is simply an archaic plural form for brother; it means brothers. The word brotherhood can be used in a couple of senses, one of which is "a group of brothers". So you might have spoken of "the atheist brotherhood" in connection with a singular verb.
jackfrombaltimore 1 year ago
@jackfrombaltimore : This is no place for sorrow. The dictionary doesn't designate brethren as archaic. A brethren is a group, surely as, to paraphrase myself with your grammar : "Why ARE your group so poorly represented...?" Read. Research. Impress women.
YourUTubeMonitor 1 year ago
@YourUTubeMonitor
brethren [ˈbrɛðrɪn]
pl n
Archaic except when referring to fellow members of a religion, sect, society, etc a plural of brother
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged
stevelynagh 1 year ago
"brethren is" is wrong. "Brethren is a PLURAL NOUN. And it's archaic, according to the Collins English Dictionary. Google it. Check it out. Then get over it!
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@jamesrands: You-Tube's vast congregation of "atheists" write abysmally. Why is this so? Why is your brethren so poorly represented in this venue?
YourUTubeMonitor 1 year ago
Atheism is idiocy. It's incredible how such a smart man can know so much and yet be so wrong about God.
VitalSigns1 1 year ago
@VitalSigns1 - ok, smartypants, prove to us your God exists!
Waiting . . . . . . .
namlohdrareg 1 year ago
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@namlohdrareg Look around you.
VitalSigns1 1 year ago
@namlohdrareg I'll be glad. My God is anything I can name God that can be proven to exist empirically.
Juefawn 1 year ago
@Juefawn So... God is everything and nothing. Of what use is he then?
nithelmusic 1 year ago
@nithelmusic It depends on what use a thing has if it is called God. He? I find this to be true about everyone that has a god, they are always using the word to name something. Some use it as a moral absolute, a kind of conscience reference. For example: "This is what God wants me to do." Either way, I accept that God is a word, that can be infinitely ambiguous, and therefore isn't much use as concrete definitions in our language.
Juefawn 1 year ago
@Juefawn It sounds very interresting, but I'm not sure I follow your point of view. Do you believe in god? And if you do, is it god, as in the cause of our existence, or god, as in whatever anybody think god is? I'm a bit confused why you would ever need to talk about god as a word without meaning...
nithelmusic 1 year ago
@nithelmusic As I said, God is a word, that can be used to reference anything and as long as it has some empirical basis then it exists not only as a term. I may believe in "god" or I may not. It depends on whether or not the person is talking about god and I can understand what they are referring to, and if I choose to agree with them, that word suffices. It would be easier to understand what I mean if you knew about semantics. If you already do, okay.
Juefawn 1 year ago
@Juefawn "Rmouhgpe" is also a word that can be used to reference anything. But that doesn't make it particular usefull or relevant in any kind of discussion... If we forget that the word 'god' exists for a moment, do you believe in a creator of the universe?
nithelmusic 1 year ago
@nithelmusic True but Rmoughpe isn't a word that is widely used by many, or made into something deserving veneration of sorts. If it was to be used, I would take the same approach 2it as "God".
Do I believe in a creator of the universe? I accept that there is a probability that the universe may have been designed by an exterior being, but not as much as I accept that the universe is closed system unto itself, given my familiarity with the evidence. Its kind of like the S.Cat.
Juefawn 1 year ago
@Juefawn And who is to say that which is exterior to the universe is not the universe?
Surely all things could be classified as Universe, even God, as in meaning a creator.
Juefawn 1 year ago
GOD DOES EXIST!!!!!
NikolaNS2010 1 year ago
@NikolaNS2010 Which one? There are so many these days.
ashburnhouse 1 year ago
@NikolaNS2010 if you can provide any good evidence that would be great. Thanks :)
cakeisnotanumber 1 year ago
If going to heaven is the motivation for behaving well, then it is worthless.
sabdollah 1 year ago
Thank you so much for posting.
genedoo1ey 1 year ago
Part3
Anyways, he also is likly to wake up once he realizes that he is asleep. How does he know that he is asleep? He remembers himself before falling asleep or starts to question some phenomena, not just reasoning it away. You need to experience it to understand it clearly.
Now, what if we are asleep right now? How do we know that we are not asleep??? We don't know! Because we cannot remember ourselves before we fall asleep.
Can you prove me that we are not asleep?
toto20091 1 year ago
Part2:
Let's look at the man who is asleep. If you can remember you dreams, you will understand me. He lives there, he doesn't question flying or persons appearing from nowhere. He cannot realize that he is asleep, until he wakes up. Now, if you ever experienced lucid dreaming, you know that it is when a man knows that he is dreaming and he can control his dream and do some weird things like flying or creating things out of air or fall asleep in the dream...
toto20091 1 year ago
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Dan is very smart and has a powerful mind. His explanations are good if a listener doesn't have enough knowledge or ability of mind to counter reason. This takes time to gain.
I can not claim this title, but I do have some ideas I cannot prove his way or my own way...
toto20091 1 year ago
I am glad Daniel Dennett exists.
mathprodigy 1 year ago 44
@mathprodigy PROVE IT! Oh wait.
parade 11 months ago
@parade Lololol
mathprodigy 11 months ago
@mathprodigy : Well then you have to thank God that he survived his recent aorta replacement surgery don't you? Oh wait -- he had doctors doing that for him didn't he? Right -- better thank the doctors instead.
websnarf 9 months ago
@websnarf Yeah I'm thankful of the doctors. Thankful to everyone who contributed to the advancement of the medical field.
mathprodigy 6 months ago
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A classless,monyless,stateless communities of humanity in cooperation to take care of our needs and well being , expressing our creative energies in freedom of being. Capitalism is the manipulation of resources and technology for the private gain of a few in a monetary system that enslaves immense humanity in wage slavery of useless employment system that dehumanises and denies our human creative potential for a world of harmony within and without.
arzoyan 1 year ago
dan dennett is a GOD lol
LAFILLEdead 1 year ago 2
santaclaus
TomValedro 1 year ago
every group that has been studied has a what ? just can't hear it :( (the example people laughd at)
foxofthenight 1 year ago
RD refers to an interview which can be founf by searching richarddawkins for videos 3410 richard dawkins interviews father george coyne
KenAnsley 1 year ago
I'm a super-humanist baby! But somehow Dennett is still one of my favorite philosophers. Even Christians, like myself, can appreciate good writing.
BandofSorensons 1 year ago
If I ever give a presentation, I'm handing out bags of cough drops to everyone in the audience beforehand
ligaa9mm 1 year ago
@ligaa9mm It won't work. One of the laws of the universe states that at any presentation some one will have an uncontrollable cough.
x42brown 1 year ago
In response to "vitalsigns1"- Why do you assume God would cast atheists into hell? Atheists are not evil,far from it , they understand good and rightousness without the threats that religion throws at people. logic and reason is not something you can "Throw away"!
nahtanaj 1 year ago
I beg all Atheists...PLEASE, throw away your logic and reasoning FOR ONCE and turn to God for Salvation!!! PLEASE PLEASE I just beg you so much PLEASE just pray to God because if you don't you'll go to hell and I don't want that to happen...it makes me cry to know that so many atheists are in hell right now...God doesn't want that to happen, but he does want you to BEG HIM FOR MERCY...please just do it...it's the only way to avoid the anguish and torture of hell...please
VitalSigns1 1 year ago
@VitalSigns1 Actually, God likes atheists better. They never ask him for anything.
friendofthefunk 1 year ago 80
@friendofthefunk funny!
chrisbuxton1958 1 year ago
@friendofthefunk If you think that belief presuposes a relationship between the object of belief and the believer, Gos himself is an atheist. Also, apart from not asking anything, we are not licking his a** all the time.
JaguarEscarlata 1 year ago
@friendofthefunk
Lolololol!
Roenazarrek 1 year ago
@VitalSigns1 Thats sweet, thank you for being so caring
beerboich 1 year ago
@beerboich I'm trying to be caring and nice, yet atheists still choose to blaspheme
VitalSigns1 1 year ago
@VitalSigns1 Blasphemy is a victimless crime
ligaa9mm 1 year ago
@VitalSigns1 LMAO! You very clearly sum up why I am contempuous of religion. Are you being sarcastic?
1jhardy 1 year ago 2
@VitalSigns1 LMAO! You sum up very clearly why I'm contempuous of religion. Thanks.
1jhardy 1 year ago
@VitalSigns1 only slaves surrender. the last thing I would EVER surrender is my mind and my ability to use reason and logic...and if god existed I am sure he would not approve, let alone require me to throw such a gift in the trash
MrTruthAddict 1 year ago
@MrTruthAddict God wants to speak to your HEART, not to your mind. Logic and reason are not needed to find God. You must throw them away in order to find him. He is a spiritual entity, one that cannot be reasoned with by human logic. If you don't do this, well there will be very unfortunate consequences for you my friend.
VitalSigns1 1 year ago
@VitalSigns1 your statement is both silly and evil. It's silly because there is no way you can possibly know what an invisible man in the sky wants. It's evil because you want people to take their most valuable asset and flush it down the toulet so they will be a non thinking robot like you.
If there is a hell it is reserved for people like you.
MrTruthAddict 1 year ago 2
@MrTruthAddict Don't preach to me boy. I know my God better than you'll ever know the truth. I've been a die hard Christian for 17 years, and I am 100% sure of the truth. I know, as do many enlightened individuals, that the ONLY way to salvation is through Jesus Christ. You must take him into your heart, and if not, you will burn in hell. Why? Because you're a sinner. We're all sinners. The only ticket out of eternal damnation is through Christ's blood on the cross. Trust me I know.
VitalSigns1 1 year ago
@VitalSigns1 you KNOW nothing. You BELIEVE in the immoral and disgusting practice of human sacrifice. Even worse you believe that you can be relieved of your responsibility by simply murdering a man who claims to be a god.
Haha the beliefs is the Aztecs makes more sense. At least they were murdering someone for a tangible reason. You believe murdering someone will allow you to live forever in the clouds. You should be embarrassed to defend such silliness.
MrTruthAddict 1 year ago 2
OF the Aztecs*
MrTruthAddict 1 year ago
@VitalSigns1 I've been studying these things for 30 years, twice as long as you've been deluded by these man made stories. As a preachers kid I decided to seek the truth about these things instead of blindly believing what people were telling me to believe.
MrTruthAddict 1 year ago 2
@MrTruthAddict Don't listen to people, listen to God. God makes it clear what you need to do. You know in your heart what you must do, but your proud mind always wants to rebel. We all have that nature. I used to be like you, wanting to rebel against God, but I followed my heart and you should do the same. Stop following your mind, follow your heart. It's what God wants.
VitalSigns1 1 year ago
@VitalSigns1 I have stopped listening to people. People who have no right to claim they know anything about the unknowable. People like you who are merely regurgitating things you've heard others say. The ARROGANCE you people have us amazing. Where science says " if I am wrong show me your proof and I will agree", you religious people say "we KNOW the truth and no amount of reason it logic will convince me otherwise." It's childish and silly the way you function.
MrTruthAddict 1 year ago 3
@MrTruthAddict There is proof that I'm right and you're wrong. The Holy Bible.
VitalSigns1 1 year ago
@VitalSigns1 Except that it's not holy. It's just a book, written by simple-minded, uneducated men in the stone age and bronze age who were typical of men in those days. Very superstitious, and very ignorant about the explanations behind how the universe works. PROVE that this book of fables is the inerrant word of god and I WILL convert to your faith, here and now...today!
MrTruthAddict 1 year ago 2
@MrTruthAddict Alright. The proof is that Jesus did miracles. How could they happen without God? Also, if you're an Atheist you must believe that something came from nothing which is nonsensical.
VitalSigns1 1 year ago
@VitalSigns1 Where's the proof? There are many man-gods throughout history who were supposedly born of virgins and who walked around supposedly performing miracles. The jesus story is a cheap counterfeit of all the other "man-god born of a virgin" stories that came before it. How do you propose to prove that this man who historians never mention during the time of his supposed life on earth, performed miracles? and not ONE of those historians ever mentions any of these miracles! hello???
MrTruthAddict 1 year ago 3
@MrTruthAddict Hmm well you make an interesting point there. Luckily for me, I have my faith to back me up. All I have to know is that I know what I know because I know what I know. This is proof that I'm a true Christian and that you are NOT. I feel it in my heart, it's there.
VitalSigns1 1 year ago
@VitalSigns1 Really? So all I have to do is really really really believe that the moon is made of green cheese and then the moon will magically be made of green cheese? That's amazing! I suggest you look up the Marjoe Gortner videos here on youtube. You'll see the reality of this Jesus thing.
MrTruthAddict 1 year ago 2
GOD EXISTS IN MY HEART
GOD EXISTS IN MY HEART
GOD EXISTS IN MY HEART
GOD EXISTS IN MY HEART
GOD EXISTS IN MY HEART
VitalSigns1 1 year ago
In your mind
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@VitalSigns1
THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER EXISTS IN MY STOMACH
THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER EXISTS IN MY STOMACH
THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER EXISTS IN MY STOMACH
THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER EXISTS IN MY STOMACH
SnideCast 1 year ago 27
@SnideCast You can get antacids for that.
KenAnsley 1 year ago
@SnideCast It's seems the flying 'copy and paste' monster exists near your keyboard too :D
cakeisnotanumber 1 year ago
@SnideCast YYYYYYUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMYYYYYYYYYYY!!!
zencat999 1 year ago
@SnideCast Wish he existed in mine, I'm hungry.
GermanChocolateCake 9 months ago
@VitalSigns1, I am an atheist and I do not have any issue with your belief even if it is in god(s) - but if you are religious you are a fool. Why? People need their beliefs to survive. Everybody, according to their knowledge, has their own system of beliefs. People may assume same belief system which becomes a religion when is institutionalized. Hence, it is an ideology; it hijacks human’s beliefs aming to suppress and dilute people’s minds. I reject the need of it.
jimnn2009 1 year ago
@VitalSigns1 Napolean exists in my heart. In fact, i am Napolean. You might disagree, but I know it's true. I feel it.
Beliefs aren't necessarily true. Facts are. And even facts, you can argue, are only relatively true (which is why science is constantly pushing thought) -- but pure faith, has absolutely no reason to be true other than to provide irrational comfort. If it makes you feel better to believe in God, fine. But, it's still, not true.
MrBrownstone1475 1 year ago
@MrBrownstone1475 I believe my faith is more powerful than anything in the world. I believe my faith is 100% TRUE and that you MUST SEE IT. I will go around preaching to the world to try to get them to change their beliefs to along with mine because, well honestly, I KNOW I'M RIGHT!! I wouldn't go pushing my beliefs if I had any doubt whatsoever. This in fact is evidence that my facts are more legitimate than yours!! You even doubt your own science!!! That's pathetic!!!!!
VitalSigns1 1 year ago
@VitalSigns1 I'm unconvinced because it is simply your mere belief that makes you certain; You're essentially saying "please believe me" and that's why we should believe; circular reasoning at its finest. Your devotion to pushing your belief doesn't make the belief *true.*
I don't doubt science - science best describes all tangible, consistent, behaviors in the universe. It's a constant process of fitting together a more complete understanding of our reality; god limits your thinking.
MrBrownstone1475 1 year ago
@VitalSigns1 that feeling you have in your "heart" is very real and exists in many people who are not religious. you attach that feeling to fairytales of talking snakes, etc. and profess that that is where this majestic feeling is coming from(even when these stories are merely adaptations of other religions). That "feeling" can simply be used to appreciate the grand phenomenon that is life, rather than try to describe it with literal interpretations of fairytales
123daydream321 1 year ago
@VitalSigns1 to say that you feel something in your "heart", is just a way of trying to use language to describe a feeling that exists in the consciousness of the human mind. with that understood you can see where literal interpretations of any religious text is absurd. religion was created by early man to try to make sense of things before there was the capability to further understand existence. i think we can agree that as time goes things grow and people learn
123daydream321 1 year ago
@123daydream321 The bible says that people like you are sent by the devil to try to use intelligence to trick us into not believing. The bible specifically says to avoid using high intelligence to counter the arguments within it, for it is a sin. Now who should I trust, you who's controlled by the devil, or God? I think I'll go with God thank you very much.
VitalSigns1 1 year ago
@VitalSigns1 you are severely deluded. your religion has led you to believe that people like me are controlled by the devil. which is quite insulting but then again i can only feel sorry for you that you actually believe that. for one thing you have no clue who i am or what i do. in your head i may go out at night and eat the souls of other people but i know that im not controlled by the devil kind of like how you "know" jesus was the son of god. except my account is more credible.
123daydream321 1 year ago
@VitalSigns1 you have proved that you have closed off the part of your brain that allows freethinking and the acceptance of information." higher intelligence a sin"? i will continue my life with compassion for others and free of dogmatic thinking. that means i will live without believing fairytales just because thats what ive been told is right and not to question it. this will be my last post, i have wasted enough time as it is. you shoudnt have came to this video if you didnt want to learn
123daydream321 1 year ago
@VitalSigns1 Atheists in general do not argue based on trust or belief, in fact by definition they are anti-belief as are all naturalists/scientists. 123daydream321 does not want you to believe him, he wants you to consider the assertions he made and see if they logically can be deduced from natural observables. I would bet that he would in fact be pleased if you could logically disprove his deductions and thus expand his knowledge.
CliffStamp 1 year ago
@VitalSigns1
How do we know that YOU aren't controlled by the Devil, huh?
ClumsyRoot 1 year ago
@ClumsyRoot Can you give me a rational reason for entertaining that notion even for a second?
juikm 1 year ago
@juikm
There must be a Devil. Otherwise, I'm personally responsible for all the horrible things I've done, and I refuse to accept that.
ClumsyRoot 1 year ago 25
@ClumsyRoot Well that's hugely morally irresponsible.
juikm 1 year ago
@juikm its hard to detect sarcasm over text but i think clumsyroot is being sarcastic
123daydream321 1 year ago
@VitalSigns1 Don't you see? If he was really sent by the devil, he would present himself as someone you can trust so that he could deceive you, and not as someone who you would distrust immediately. In other words, the devil would probably appear to you in the form of someone you trust the most, i.e. your priest/ preacher/ religious leader, your parents, your friends, your brother/sister, your lover, your children. He is everywhere. >: ) HAIL SATAN!
Psychosmurf547 1 year ago
@VitalSigns1
Your religion teaches you to be unintelligent? Yeah, that sounds like a GREAT idea. And here you are, trying to argue with intelligent, learned people.
Koblarej 1 year ago
@VitalSigns1 Thank you for being so caring! Here you are, caring for my eternal soul more than me... I am embarrassed... you are clearly a better person than I am... you must have saved dozens of people from hellfire by now, I just process insurance claims. I so wish I was you.
TaylorThaHick 1 year ago
@VitalSigns1 This is the most ridiculous plea I have ever read. How do you know who will and who won't burn in Hell? How do you know their is a hell? have you seen it. So how am I or any one else a sinner. Because Adam sinned, so where all stained. It is ridiculous. If God does not want ppl to burn in hell, then he just has to not send anyone there. It is pretty simple. He can do anything he wants, but choose to punish us all with eternal damnation. What an awesome god you believe in.
jrwilson98 1 year ago
@jrwilson98 The greatest thing is when you point out that god did the opposite of what he said he would do and they say, "he's god, he doesn't have to follow the rules he sets for us". Case in point, for the naysayers, Jesus said that people who call others fools will burn in hell (Matt 5:22} and then in Matt 23:17-19 calls people fools, YET, for some reason, even though he doesn't want to send you to hell, he HAS to. Religion is poison of the mind.
thelordmemnoch 1 year ago
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cakeisnotanumber 1 year ago
@cakeisnotanumber I don't understand where the question comes from since I'm atheist. Did you confuse me with someone else? I re-read the last thing I wrote and nothing there indicates that I would be in favor of children getting stoned for cursing their parents out.
thelordmemnoch 1 year ago
@thelordmemnoch Apologies! I totally misread your comment - doh! It's an insane piece of scripture though isn't it? Have a good day and apologies for the misunderstanding :)
cakeisnotanumber 1 year ago
@cakeisnotanumber It's cool, I figured something was up especially since I didn't say anything too controversial. Ah well.
thelordmemnoch 1 year ago
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You guys don't know anything. Haven't you read the Blake-Feyerabend Hypothesis?
lightofdawn87 1 year ago
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You guys don't know anything. Haven't you read the Blake-Feyerabend Hypothesis?
lightofdawn87 1 year ago
You guys don't know anything. Haven't you read the Blake-Feyerabend Hypothesis?
lightofdawn87 1 year ago
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Oh, well if we're all so ignorant as to know nothing, please do enlighten us with the infinite knowledge contained within this magical tome that YOU had the wisdom to choose.
nin8halos 1 year ago
Dennett isn't that great an explainer of ideas. In his writing, he usually gives a brief one or two paragraph definition of a term and then proceeds to use it with gusto. In contrast with Dawkins, who takes entire chapters to drill in a single idea.
WastedTourist 1 year ago
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SloppyLarry 1 year ago
I had a whole long rant about words but I couldn't fit it all. They seem paradoxical in nature they have physical properties yet they don't!
SloppyLarry 1 year ago
Just a hypothetical what if and I am not doing this for argument sake but nearly to open a discussion. What if one has a logical philosophical idea but lack the language to express it. For example something feels as if it where a paradox one express this with no reference that was created say through conditioning or observable reality.
Also you can take into account that if the language is not there the meaning will have to be expressed in ways that builds from existing known references.
SloppyLarry 1 year ago
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“You will never see a spear making a spear. You will never see a horse shoe making a blacksmith. You will never see a pot making a potter.” –Dennett.
Well, the spear tells who made it. The horse shoe tells you who the maker is. Now, you will never see a pot laughing--mocking in the hands of its Creator without getting broken(into small pieces) or thrown outside. Don’t you see this pile of disobedient pots by my side?
Airlightf 1 day ago
Airlightf 1 year ago
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“You will never see a spear making a spear. You will never see a horse shoe making a blacksmith. You will never see a pot making a potter.” –Dennett.
Well, the spear tells who made it. The horse shoe tells you who the maker is. Now, you will never see a pot laughing--mocking in the hands of its Creator without getting broken(into small pieces) or thrown outside. Don’t you see this pile of disobedient pots by my side?
Airlightf 1 year ago
So where do the Wallace Lines fit into Religious Darwinism?
ghauff 1 year ago
dennett is the man. i've been reading his books for quite a while. absolutely brilliant.
rysw19 1 year ago 2
humanist? so that's like racism, but instead of a race being superior, it's a single animal. We can kill monkeys because we are humanists!
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