Top Gear RX-7 vs 924

[marutidriver]

After seeing this, I'm realizing that I haven't seen cars with retractable light in like 20 years. Do they make these lamps anymore?

[lillnemo1]

@marutidriver its forbidden to make a car with those lamps nowadays

all about pedestrian protection: when a light sticks out of the hood, and you hit a pedestrian, he may suffer more severe injuries

(but hey, wait a minute, normally you don't hit a pedestrian, are you? SO WHAT THE FUCK ARE ALL THESE FUCKING rules for nowadays, they ruin the looks and performances of cars now)

ps these rules are now in America, Europe and Asia

[marutidriver]

@lillnemo1 I don't see how worse could it be than being hit with a 1500kg car at 60km/h but still it kid of makes sense. I think I heard somewhere that mercedes modified their emblem back then for the same reason.

[Rotard12a]

25 and 35 mpg for the RX7 and 924? Apparently in Britain 1 mile is approximately 100 feet.

And screw "equivalent" BS, the RX7 is a 1.3

[ptrachilos]

I own a 924S and is in a restoration process. I thought the mirror motors were warned out by the sound they made but what i've seen form the video, they're just noisy from the factory ;p

[DirtyStang69]

That buzzer in the RX would get on my tits fairly quick, i'd be pulling fuses out till it shut up.

[Rotard12a]

@DirtyStang69 It's a bitch. On the 1st gen's, the buzzer is mounted on the back of the instrument panel so you have to pull the whole thing out and physically damage either the circuitry or the speaker to get it to shut up. No amount of fuse pulling will solve the problem.

Or you could just not over rev. :)

[pigeon221995]

@Ma7daRx7 They say it compares to a 2.3 liter not that it IS a 2.3. idiot.

[Giliganism]

@pigeon221995 Um hate to break it to you, but the 13b engine displaces 1.3 liters. I know, I own one... dont believe me check my videos...

[TheSRalston]

Man, that fucking buzzer...it might drive you nuts after a while....vrooom....WHAAAAAAAA!­!!!!......vroom vroom.....WHAAAAAAAAA!!!! "Shut the f..up!!"...wonder how many things from today cars we will be mocking 20 years from now...

[booyahbd]

80's Japanese sports cars need to come back. I look at this, and then I look at my AW11 MR2, and then I look at modern sports cars. These are just so much better and amazingly fun to drive.

[chunk123123]

@booyahbd agreed! ive actually just sold my mk1 supercharger :( im looking for a decent mk1 or 2 rx7 in the uk (anyone?). i need some more retro jap power in my life!

[beamith]

gotta love legless dwarfs

[Gorillamillionare]

my pickup truck goes 130 with both those cars. . . shit d bag no one cares

[Bulgdoom]

The speed limit all those years ago.. 70mph.... great to see the government keeping up with the latest car technology, my bike will do 110 in 2nd gear like its nothing.

[jameslinton50]

Doing well in 2nd to bad we grind 3rd :P @4.21

[doggysoftbg]

I take the Mazda

[mustangman8866]

my pick up truck does 130 pulling both those cars

[Rage71000]

654x2cc=1308cc that means 1.3L not 2.3L!!!!

[Rage71000]

my goodness, when was this? 1990? or 1985?

[jigrodrigues]

2:48 take it off! take it off! I'm gonna blow!!! :)

[sammyrock0087]

when the 3rd gen rx7 came out it was £35,000 XD

[Nigman8000]

Top gear reviews used to be so much better

They actually used to review a car, not make a joke of it

[MeatballYaro2]

@Nigman8000 yeah, but i nearly nodded off during this review. joking about something like this would be more engaging, therefore, better. proper car reviews are so last millennium XD

[MyApocalypse69]

arnaldoe123 are u fucking stupid he said the 13b is equivlent to a 2.4liter piston engine learn ur shit

[MooUnit93]

whats year is the rx7?

[RotaryOrNothing]

@MooUnit93 prolly 87

[ARNALDOE123]

Wtf the rx7 Is 13b = 1.3liter no 2.4 liter

[kippo]

@ARNALDOE123

it has 2 rotors.

[tjw760]

Lol he shifts at like 5k in the rx7. what a douche.

[noshabibis]

both cars are TRASH

[RotaryOrNothing]

@noshabibis then why did u even click on the video stupid ass?

[noshabibis]

@RotaryOrNothing because i didnt know much about them but now i see that they both are trash. I bet you own one which means you are trash too.

[willymywonka]

god these cars are shit. that guy can't shift worth anything, and i can imagine how annoying that buzzing in the rx7 would get.

[fireworkstube]

@willymywonka Annoying?! Not a chance. That rotary engine is unique. You drive the car more like a motorcycle with the extra RPM's. You keep that engine singing and your flying...

[willymywonka]

@fireworkstube the annoying sound i'm talking about is the beep it makes when you're supposed to shift.

if i wanted to drive something that drove like a motorcycle i'd buy a motorcycle.

[fireworkstube]

@willymywonka LOL I didn't say it was a motorcycle engine; it revs higher because of the design so you can hold gears longer and you've got more flexibility as to when to shift. These are all advantages for a performance car. This is part of the reason F1 cars rev so high. Rotary engine is a stroke of genius.

[willymywonka]

@fireworkstube i like torque too much to own a rotary.

ironic that you said it's a STROKE of genius

[RotaryOrNothing]

@willymywonka rotarys have tourqe,jus not in low rpms like your piston engine,the tourqe in my rx7 starts at 3 grand and goes thru o about 5 or 6,nd you should really look into it,theyre truely amazing

[willymywonka]

@RotaryOrNothing all cars make torque from 3 grand through 5-6, but I will agree that rotary's are smoother engines.

they're unreliable and and no matter how different the motor is, it's still small and hard to mod.

Small block chevy is where it's at

[willymywonka]

@RotaryOrNothing for it's size..it's also very powerful. The wankel

[GaijinNH]

Of course, a first-generation Miata is much better, and much faster, then either of these cars...

[musclekid13]

1:00 perfect description of a hot chick ahaha

[93LegacySTi]

RX7 4 wheel steering FTW!!!

[jonnyrebel01]

funny thing is, he says something about people giving their eyeteeth to drive these cars.. and now most of these cars have found their ways into the backyards and trailer parks of whos owners lack eyeteeth, or any teeth for that matter. haha not bashing but there are tons of these cars sitting all over the place

[herrgolf]

Mazda made the right decision by making the 3rd gen RX-7 more focused but by then, the world had moved on. Of course, their '90s cars were also wonderfu,. but they kept the most convincing cars away from the US. I wonder what will happen to them now, without Ford's money.

[russ13b]

@herrgolf They will be absolutely fine!! The real question is will ford be ok without mazda?!

[TheJsHep]

130 mph used tobe a benchmark... funny

[ThePaperCreator]

@TheJsHep My mom's blender can do 130mph

[coldinfusion]

@TheJsHep

this car only has 150 hp

[sunnyjason]

@TheJsHep

and how fast can your car do now?

[iTzzEuphoriaaaaaa]

I like this guy better clarkson is an annoying prick

[craigandrews88]

mazder.. annoying to hear that.

[driftwhoresince99]

2453CC WTF!!!!! 0_O

[JulianoRamirez]

......2354cc? Who lied to them hahahah

[DivineWindSerpent]

Not the best idea though, not without replacing the apex seals, switching to 3mm seals, and switching out the main bearings with race bearings. Otherwise yes, it'll go to 8000 without to much trouble, sustaining it is a pretty bad idea though.

[DivineWindSerpent]

Actually he was shifting at 5000 RPM, losing considerable grunt that the RX7 develops at higher RPM. Additionally thats the N/A version, nonturbo, and I can say for a fact, owning the same car, that my shift warning comes at 6500, and the car will more than happily go up to 8000 RPM without a problem. (Though the unnessisary buzzing noise from the shift warning causes some undue distress.)

[RobotEars85]

@DivineWindSerpent the 89-90 N/A models go to 9000rpms and Ive actually pulled it a bit past the limiter.

[bamper42069]

@DivineWindSerpent couldnt have said it better myself, just got an 88 n/a for 300 bucks with only 101k miles on it:) cant wait till next summer to try it out.

[ascolti]

The funny thing is that now, nearly all family saloons will do 130mph and have similar 0-60 times.

150bhp is the same output of the PREVIOUS generation Fiat/Alfa/GM 1.9 Turbo DIESEL engine!

[bozzen91]

They look pretty much the same

[dqSOBERqd]

in RX-8 you can change gears at 9000rpm! :) Here only 7000rpm :(...

[4doorskylinenz]

haha yea wtb the mazda is not 2354cc haha it is a 1308cc

[cell172]

OMG BODY ROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL­LLLLLLLLLLLL

[Grantly46]

1308cc. I have to laugh everytime they say it's 2600. "But compared to..." WHAT? pffft different engine all together. It's a void argument.

[shiveyy]

warning buzzer, now that wuld just be fuckin annoying

[Nolanator6]

"rotrey engine" hahahahahaha

[FC3SROTA]

IMO they should re do this video..with clarkson and a S5 rx7, turbo :D

[mofaraider]

@ 4:44 Why the heck is the stupid buzzer comming on when the tac is just at 5k revs it shoud start buzzing at maybee 7-7.5k revs.. weird.

[sw96]

@mofaraider Pretty sure that when they edited the segment together that the audio and the video weren't synced up for that shot.

[slowrx04]

@mofaraider

apparently you dont own a FC

[Matticitt]

Fuck this cars are ugly. And why the fuck they are silghty the same ;|

[paulhunter123]

@Matticitt english translation ?

[Buttmunch5000]

wankel engines are amazing, but fuel economy and oil consumption are high, love the sound though . the guy that invented it was also clever

[kolbpilot]

Lightness always wins. You have to admire Mazda for staying with and refining the rotary. Anybody that's ever driven a rotary will agree.

[erickrulz]

does anybody else notice tht the roof is not level on the Porsche if u look at 2:12 ull notice

[LuckyDT]

Since when is the 13B Rotary a 2354cc engine?

[OliOzzie]

Typical Rotary haters lie about the engine size!!!!!

[thatpoorguy]

the apex seals go if you abuse it. keep the oil fresh and keep the level up and especially the na rotaries will last forever. my fb has 210k miles on it and runs great. my fd on the other hand was previously owned by an idiot that did a bunch of upgrades without having it tuned correctly. after the turbos blew up (turbine surge caused by improperly routed vacuum lines) i had it rebuilt and found the housings were cracked. it's all in how it's taken care of.

[kingnorlen]

why does everybody think that the 13B is 2x 1300cc? its 2x 654cc or smth like that.. embarrasing as hell for a serious motor show.

[rottus55]

hahaha the rx7 dosen't have 2354 cc it's an 13b and it is 1300cc

[xhikomarux]

CLARKSON, CLARKSON!!!!!

[g7dude9]

OMG look at how that Porsche leans in the turn!!!

And as for the rotor tip wear, that's not true.  Even in the RX-8, you have to replace your tips every now & then, or your engine will self-destruct.

[arbitor395]

@g7dude9 That would be apex seals and they blow, but that just meens rebuild time and more fun. You dont just replace them , you rebuild the whole block

[iamxeddiex]

I really want a euro s4 steering wheel.

[machinegunmana]

having driven both extensively, I would say that the Porsche looks and drive better, but the Mazda is cheaper to own. both are better in the turbo configuration.

[Jeremyevo90]

Holy Shit there's so so so so so much body roll !! hahaha

[ocauTMM]

worst rev limiter buzzer ever.

[Miata822]

Amazing. The modern Miata has more horsepower than either of these venerable marks (167), is faster to 60 (7.7), and has a higher top speed (141). I really wouldn't have expected that. I guess we do live in the new golden age of the automobile.

[DThaeman]

@Miata822 - These are bottom of the range cars from the 80's.. the 944S of the same year has 190hp, I have one of those. The modern equivalent of the 924 has 255 horsepower (standard boxster), and the modern equivalent of the RX-7 has 220hp (RX-8).. the Miata i currently have has 90hp (1.6L), and the most powerful Miata ever made was 174hp (2005 Mazdaspeed). While the cars in this video are now classics, the Miata will never be comparable to modern sports cars in terms of performance.

[Miata822]

@DThaeman No argument from me there. I was just taken aback that these cars, admired not that long ago, were so much slower than the slowest sports car made today. The RX-8 is no longer really in that class but the Nissan 370Z certainly is.

Of course, at the other end of the price scale the power gains have been unbelievable.

[DThaeman]

@Miata822 Oh yeah, it's unbelievable how there are no real secrets anymore to getting power and handling out of a car.. if only the U.S. tried a little harder at making good cars, I wouldnt have to turn to the Germans and the Japanese for my thrills!

[darkeyce02]

the 924 looks like a 1st gen rx7 at the front veiw.

[amansaysmtf]

130 mph lol

[dns15r]

lol look at that porsche body roll

[LiquidSquallz]

What year is this? The front end looks like an FC, but the taillights are different, like an FB, but I thought the FB's rear window looked different.

[sof1map]

its rated at 2354cc , its really 1295cc

[CorradoStyle77]

Buy a Corrado !

[themr92]

Watch it until the end.... 2354cc rotary!!!

[Flinty88]

who the hell is that guy WHERES THE HAMPSTER

[gav240z]

The FC RX-7 is what I would choose over the 924. The 924 was rubbish in my opinion. The 944 was ok in Turbo form.

However time has taken its tole on the 924.

[slitherz90]

He is shifting the 13b way too early.

[akademiks604bc]

k ur a noob stfu the rx7 is a 86 and the red line is 8000 he was going 6500 he was shifting fine

[slitherz90]

stupid kid.

I own one, they can go up to about 9k.

If you push it on a track.

It isn't fair not to rev the rotary because that is what it is built to do.

Fag.

[akademiks604bc]

nah a stock one that year lets u go upto 8000 and ull hear the horn so it will pull until 6500 thats how the stock esu is tuned in later years 88-91 u can go 9000 and pul till 8500

[slitherz90]

This might be true, I own a 90gxl. Though, saying it only pulls until 6500....

On the rx7 forums people always try to figure out the best place to shift at.

Problem with shifting at 6500 is that you will be below the power band when you shift. Atleast that is one part of the discussions that go on.

[akademiks604bc]

fuck the forums i build rotorys and specialize in building rx-,3,,5,,7 and new rx8 im telling u a 86 n/a on stock esu wont pull much after 6500 plus n/a tranys dont have the gears to pull hard till horn red line

[akademiks604bc]

hmm the porsche was made to rev  high tho

[mtktm]

Isn't the 924S turbo'd, reason for the "S"

If it was both turbo'd versions, I think the rx7 would have better stats.

[SunKing968]

No, the 924S is normally aspirated, with the same engine as the non-turbo 944. I used to have one (a 1987)...nice car.

[sof1map]

your driving the rotary like a bitch.

[onebadgs400]

hahah old school

[viggoM35]

Those cars are ok but I'd rather have a BMW 3 series of that era.

[49Shortvid]

@viggoM35 3 series my ass. Wouldn't have as good as the mazda

[viggoM35]

@49Shortvid Apparently you haven't owned one. ;(

[49Shortvid]

@viggoM35 apparently you own a jeep... ;(

[viggoM35]

@49Shortvid about ten years ago....

[DILLIGAFFUM]

where the fuck is clarkson?...

[viggoM35]

@DILLIGAFFUM I think he still was in high school

[g7dude9]

@DILLIGAFFUM STFU. At least this guy isn't as bad as some of the old presenters.

[lilmartypwnz]

lol

[Cr4ptakular]

@DILLIGAFFUM lol do you have any idea how old this clip is?

[12valvepower1]

 2.5rs subaru

[liquidcrystal402]

at 0:30 "most motorists would give their right teeth?" wtf does he say here its really annoying my friend charles?!

[DILLIGAFFUM]

@liquidcrystal402 "give their eye teeth" it's an expression that means you would do anything. don't ask me where it comes from though, i'll leave that research up to you...

[farrisk]

I'm pretty sure it's "give their eye teeth." It's an expression not used very often in the States.

[ZeonicSoldierUC0079]

Mazda is the king, rotary power!

[paulhunter123]

i find the very fact that they are comparing the porsche to a nothing car which is blatently a rip off of the porsche. Japenese cars have no credit its all borrowed stolen. as such they have no brand and no heritage. Mazda dont they make fridge freezers?

[mattblack77nz]

Wow, the first sports car review that's so boring that it makes me want to kill myself.

[Sj1bby]

2354 cc in a 1.3 rotary?

[mattblack77nz]

@Sj1bby They fire twice as often so you can kinda say they're equivalent to twice the size. It's a bit of a con really.

[Sj1bby]

roflmao... well if it was twice, your calc will tell you: 2*1.3=2.6 and not 2.3l, but thats the wrong way of thinking.

cause both rotors whit each 3 burningcambers(if thats the right word) has a displacement of 654cc (in case of the 1.3l) so like i said before 2*.654cc=1308cc.

So my question again: Why do they say 2354cc?

and ill end whit the tip of the day: You should use google before giving dumb answers.

Jus sayin

[mattblack77nz]

Drivetrain losses, numbnuts.

[Sj1bby]

ow, so if i add the drivetrain losses the engine displacement will get bigger? please explane!

[mattblack77nz]

Ok, let's just get few things straight before we begin: burningcambers? whit? Jus? explane? Secondly, I don't know...I was just offering a suggestion. If you want to be Captain anal about the figures, write to: Top Gear, C/- 1991, The Past, Ages Ago, Yesteryear 8024.

[Sj1bby]

ow, im sorry i didnt know you would get mad over me knowing more than you. and i am sorry i aint a aussie, so i dont know english as well as you.

[miketwng]

Wow! The classic RX with stock spoiler.

At top gear (fifth gear i mean), the mazda rx7 turbo 2 starts flying like a jet. Plus with lower centre of gravity you get amazing handling that kills the porsche.

[MortimerKahn]

"But really the backseats would only suit legless dwarves"

:)

[12valvepower1]

the apex seals can go bad easily. the porsche is sturdy.

[xbartosx]

@12valvepower1 porsche sturdy? have you ever owned one? you need at least 2 porsches to drive on when the other one breaks.

[Buttmunch5000]

between the two of them, i would rather have the porsche, the reason behind coupé's is looks and image, so the reasonable choice is the porsche, if you bought the mazda and the porsche pulled along side you, you would know you bought the wrong car.

porsche also has the better interior , which is also very important in a coupe, the mazda looks like some cheap 70's house, porsche has style

[paulhunter123]

sorry but its quite simply mazda will always be a poxy car manufacture and porsche will always be a legend

[paulhunter123]

2: 47 thats the worst buzzer i have heared since the classic game operation

[mattblack77nz]

True, They need to steal the sound effect from battleship instead. Ka-boom!

[paulhunter123]

id sooner have a vw van eninge than a wanker engine

[kidgoku666]

typical bull coming from a kid who's never driven a rotary.

I have this very model of RX-7, which my parents hate because they're a family of Porsche enthusiasts. 928-S, 944 Turbo, and 924-S. I've driven all three of those, and in the corners they don't handle anywhere near as well as the RX-7. They'd beat it in a straight line, but the rotary is much smaller and simpler, it's much easier to tune. I've had mine tuned only mildly, and it slaughters the Porsches.

[Mastermind12358]

@kidgoku666

vankel sucks :D

[22j77]

@kidgoku666 Depends which Porsche's you're "racing"... the 911 has always been top notch.

[kidgoku666]

Also: You have your van engine if you want. There's a reason so many people love RX-7s - because they've actually driven one and know how good it is! I've been brought up with Porsches, and even driven a 911 Turbo at Donington circuit. I'll admit they're nicer to sit in, but performance? RX-7 any day.

[Buttmunch5000]

'van engine' it uses a detuned engine from the 944, why do so many people take what clarkson says as the gospel truth.

from the look of that car revving in a flat car park it seems you have been brought up more in fords and vauxhalls than porsches.

[12valvepower1]

i like the old 4 cyl porsches. the 924s is a great car. one i like alot. though the rx7 is wonderful. i love rotaries

[paulhunter123]

how can that mazda rip off nothing sit beside a throughbread porsche and be compared. this is demoaralising to the porsche theses only 1 car in this clip

[VikramTiwary]

Top gear has become much better!

[MikeLenoch5]

Terrible relative to the Top Gear of today.

[stocktonfinest]

at 4:35 isnt it weird how the rpm is at 6k and then it switches to the person about to shift gear to fifth the rpm is at 5k... can anyone decribe this to me im confuse

[RotarFlow]

ohhhh...well spotted.....hmm best i can guess is backed off an rolled abit bedore aplying power....

or could be its an edited in scene.

[dariunas]

LOL - that is weird. I guess the second shot showed the dash just after the gear change, but everything else may have been in sync...

[elementalfunk]

is this a 12a or 13b mazda?

[rockydapit]

13b non turbo

[86touge]

i can't wait till i get my fc this summer

[kidgoku666]

I bought this particular model a couple of months ago (in blue), mildly tuned to 200bhp. It's absolutely brilliant and the engine is actually simpler to work on than a lot of piston engines IMO.

[JDMhypebeast]

too bad the rx7 isnt a turbo in this one

[JuanPapaNicolao]

i LOVE mY 88 FC3S if it aint got a rotor it aint no motor

[buhrrito]

I Love My Fc

[MarcusGGG123]

where did u buy your rx-7 from?

[rockondon]

i love porshes but i bought a 93 rx7 yesterday and well mazdas even look better

[trianglepower]

"But really, the back seats would only seat legless dwarfs." Word. lol

[blyndrotor]

Who cares, if you own the car, are you going to sit in the back.

I know how little space there is in the back but if my passengers don't like the leg room (on the odd occassion that i carry any other than my wife, it is the w/end warrior after all). they don't have to come for the ride.

[Camm0Blue]

Hell yeah son lol.

[rx7guy21]

i can see my oil gauge but this is an awesome review tho the rx7 looks just like mine lol i really wish i could get a chance to drive a turbo

[blyndrotor]

If you get the chance to drive the turbo do it, it's worth the chance.

Its worth it. Believe me.

My FC rx7 has 300hp atw with the most minor of mods.

It howls along nicely and suprises many.

What is amazing is how easy it is to screw power out of the turbo model with such simple mods.

Mine still turns heads, no problem (I'm, sure you know what I mean) despite the fact that it is near 22yrs old.

has been cared for though.

As for the 2354ccs. What a load of shit.

[mesikamoto]

mazda the best

[keanehgz]

There is alot more body-roll in the Porsche, and the 924 is the one with the VW-Van engine isn't it? The Mazda looks flat and levelled whilst cornering... The FC does look kinda copy-paste though especially from the rear 3/4...

[jorikrademakers]

the 924 actually uses an audi engine,dont believe everything jeremy says :p

[scottdeshon]

im not sure about back then, but it seems these days that audi and vw are one and the same

[seyqKr]

The 924s which is the one he uses in this review uses the same 2.5 liter Porsche engine that the 944 uses. The earlier 924 used an audi engine.