@TurboTylerT Oh paleezze.. So there's a small handful of production cars that can beat it and its worthless all of a sudden. Yeah right.. what car do you drive?
The corvette finished first. The reason it looks like it came 2nd is because its farther away, making it look shorter and smaller. Also keep in mind that the corvette is abit longer than the GTR. Its not when the tires touch the line, its the front bumper you noob. because then, someone could have extra long tires like a tank, and cross the finish line first even though the actual front of the car would be 10 feet back. Dosent take alot of thought sherlock...
@Corvette35000 no you are wrong....dragtimesinfo put the camera at a position that they can tell who won the race..look at 0:38 the camera is exactly inline with the finish line....what you trying to say is true if the camera is infront of the finish line...if the vette won, you can see the red bumper when cross the line
@davelerthing21 Im not saying your wrong, but how do you know the camera was exactly parralell? It may look like it is, but it couldnt be...and another thing I would just say they should have a camera in the middle and on the other side so they can see officially who won like in all their other videos...cuz now we cant see if the covette driver floored it right at the end and passed him by an inch or something...once again, not saying your wrong, but still. XD
@Corvette35000 GTR as 100 hp less and because we cant agree who won we would say it was very close
There is no way a Z06 with a Deficit of 40 hp is able to keep up with New stock GTR's with 40 more hp than the Completely out of date 1960 technology z06
@niceboy60 Dude, the Z06 Dosent have 40 hp, you don't even know whats under the hood of this car. Btw, this car isnt from 1960...the STINGRAY was, but not this. Don't you know your cars? To top that off you don't even know whats under the hood of THAT SPECIFIC GTR anyway.
@Corvette35000 GTR 2013 is now on sale with 545hp stock 40hp more than the out of date zo6
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The information about the GTR hp is displayed in beginning of this video, they have dyno machines on site's as money doesn't seem a issue to this people
@niceboy60 Your right. I'm not making an excuse for the 1960 zo6, probably because it DOSENT EXIST. So thanks for changing the topic of the argument. You do know theres a thing called 'modifying' where people take engines and swap them for more powerful ones, if your putting a stock car against a tuned car, of course its going to lose. Thats why the corvette driver probably put in modified parts, otherwise he would have lost. Its just common sense man.
@angelofdeath2874, TRUE the GTR isn't in any list but think...the cheapest car on those list is 1mill at least, i mean cmn!! were talking about a $100k car. its awesome enough just to have the right to rum among them.
@lamborgini0103 PUES SI WE...EL BUGGATTI ES EL 2 KARRO MAS RAPIDO DEL MUNDO...EL ZR1 ES NOMAS UN KARRO DEPORTIBO DE LA CHEVY...NO AY KOMPARASION NINGUNA ENTRE UN BUGATTI O UN ZR1...SON 2 NIVELES DIFERENTES DE KARROS...
@midsuperset1 Really? The 2012 GTR ran a 7:24 on the Nurburgring. The Z06 ran a 7:22. So how does it beat the ZO6? 2012 GTR has 520HP. The Z06 has 500HP. The ZO6 also is about 30,000$ cheaper.
@MegaGunRush fellow cut your fake times , Every one knows the GTR 2012& 2013 is the Faster car as every single video shows Z06 being raped by (NEW) GTR'S
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Z06 is cheaper because it feels cheap & nasty
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Z06 30.000$ cheaper than the GTR Does not come with Satnav nor sticky tyres ,Nor sport suspension ,nor leather seats , you buy a lemon vette shell.
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GTR 2012& 2013 base model ALL INCLUDED
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GTR 2012 = 530hp & GTR 2013 =545 hp price performance is just unbeatable
@niceboy60 Cheap? The ZO6 has leather interior, key less ignition, Satellite Navigation, integrated voice communication for cell phone, Heads Up Display, sports seats, trip computer and much more.. No sport suspension?!?! If it didn't have a good "sport" suspension then why did the 2012 ZO6 run a 7:22 at the Nurburgring and the 2012 GTR ran a 7:24? Oh, don't believe the Jeremy Clarkson. Not made of plastic. CF aerodynamic parts, Aluminum frame. If ZO6 can't beat the GTR, the ZR1 WILL.
@MegaGunRush because the z06 that did that had an upgraded zr1 suspension AND CARBON CERAMIC BRAKES and stupid ridiculous tires.......... enormous upgrades over the stock z06 that has such minuscule changes since 2006. please state all the facts because the 2012 with the z07 package is 20 seconds or so faster then the previous.
@MegaGunRush your fake track times mean nothing to me. When every single video shows the z06 with its 1960 dumb technology being destroyed in every single race against the GTR 2012 & 2013 models, the not even in a rolling start z06 can't keep up
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Z06 does not even come with a satnav unless you pay more more money
I know for a fact that that the ZO6 DOES come with all these because my dad was going to buy a ZO6, thus we both did a lot of research. Instead bought a F250 for work.
@MegaGunRush . Were it shows a the Red corvette z06 doing 11.6 sec in a 1/4 miles . The new GTR 2012 is doing 11.2 sec 1/4 mile the GTR 2013 is doing 11.1sec . If you read my request it asks for GTR 2012 or 2013 videos The insideline video is just fake . That tuned Z06 would't have a chance with new GTR's . Every one knows 99% of times GTR 2012&2013 will kill the Z06 in Drag race or rolling start
@niceboy60 You're talking about 1/4 times ehh? Take a look at this bone stock Z06 right off the showroom floor with stock tires driven to the strip and it runs a 11.02 /watch?v=Ct_RxkWp41g
@joeyg8226 Actually the ZO7 package costs 94k. The 2013 GTR base price is now 99k. The BE is 106k. Still costs less. I respect the GTR. A great car, but facts don't lie. ZO6 is still better around the track.
@MegaGunRush maybe if driven by a race car driver.. the gtr can pwn driven by a child.. that car is just that good.. imagine what a real driver could with the gtr..
@07Z06ss lol tell that to motor trend.. or any other major car reviewer for that matter and see what they say.. the gtr gives the driver far more confidence, and not just that for the price of the ZR1, people can get the ams package for the gtr and go toe to toe with a veyron..
@LeonStark Imagine what a pro can do? You have paddle shifters (takes only a tap to shift gears) and a computer that eliminates any error created by the driver on the launch and a the track. On multiple "vs" videos any man says that just about anyone can drive the GTR. They had trouble taming the ZO6. When they got a grip of the Z06, they said it handles better and was faster on their track.The ZO6 doesn't have these fancy gadgets. It's a raw manual gearbox and yet the ZO6 pulls of a 3.6 0-60.
@MegaGunRush .. your point? the gtr is the better car..the corvette is build by backwards morons.. its still uses a 16valves pre cylinder ohc v8 hahah seriously.. well what can i expect.. the 2005 ford gt can do a 0-60 in less time with a conventional gear box.. that piece of shit chevy cant manage that with better tires and a lighter body.. go jump in a ditch..
i cant believe people are arguing about this shitty ass car. when you talk about fastest cars on the planet the gtr isnt even on the list. so who cares, watch the vid and shut the fuck up
If I remember right that was a low boost build. The higher boost builds can easily exceed 1k hp, but that is just insane. I love the sound of the dyno bays when they get checked out though. The driver was literally playing with the distance between him and the GT-R. Not saying that GT-R isn't fast with a lot amount of power to move the AWD setup. I would love to own one one day. The title is misleading a bit as LPE means Lingenfelter Performance Engineering. Kind of like saying ATM machine
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@altimgamr Far superior? You're like talking to a three year old mentally and a twenty year old with no friends socially. Pointless, you're to uninformed to know better and really just want someone to talk to so you never shut up.
@gotmatt2 figures thats all a simple mind like you could come up with. you probly just shouldnt even reply if you dont even know anything about cars to start with. gtr has 4 seats weights so much more and is still faster than the vette haha. get a life troll
@altimgamr Oh you got me! I'm the troll, fucking hysterical. Faster is a matter of perspective. It's faster in a straight line, but back when muscles ruled that criteria import lovers talked about how turning was what's important. Now around a track the Z06/ZR1 is better and you idiots talk about straight line acceleration. What's funny is that you're too stupid to realize you simply pick whatever "your" car is better at because you're biased. Four seats my ass, maybe for babies or groceries
@gotmatt2 the z06 lost around the track dude. idk and you dont know what youre talking about. take your own advice kiddy before you make yourself look even dumber.
@altimgamr Really what track? And which year Z06 compared to to which year GTR? Last time I checked the Z06 had no problem beating the GTR, whether it be at VIR, the ring, laguna seca, or any track since GM gave it PTM. That goes double since GM gave it the pilot sport cups. Kiddie. Seriously, stop telling other people to do their research and learn something about cars when you obviously haven't done so.
@gotmatt2 In each of the cases mentioned above the Z06 beat or is within a ten or two of a second. When it did lose its was because the driver elected not to use the PTM (i.e Randy Pobst) Make sure you compare cars that are in the same year/position in their life cycles. Comparing a 2005 Z06 to a 2013 GTR is stupid.
@gotmatt2 the ring dude. 2012 gtr 721 2012 z06 722 with slicks. you need to stop trolling dude you should really learn about the subject before trying to defend something you know nothing about
@altimgamr Um, dude that 7:21 time you mention is a fake time, Nissan themselves stated so. They stated that somebody spliced together pieces of legitimate footage and added a fake timer - google it and see for yourself.
Slicks = you're fucking retarded. Semi - slick DOT legal tires are not slicks. Slicks aren't road legal and the vette isn't the only car to use the sport cups. These tires are perfectly fair to use just like the GTR's AWD is perfectly fair, get over it.
Michelin pilot sport cup tires are not slicks and these are the tires that come on the Z06 and ZR1. They are 100% legal and come on the production car.
Google GTR 7:21 fake and those three words will bring you to several links that have information about the fake time. Nissan themselves admitted it was fake. You're just crying because it's true.
This is why you're a troll, you are an idiot and know nothing about what you talk, but knowing your weakness you claim this of everyone else. You know they know they aren't dumb and will tell you where you're wrong and you can continue to be a complete moron and get them to respond. After about five interactions the realize you just need somebody to be your friend because nobody likes you. They leave and you move on to the next poor bastard. Get a life and get off YouTube.
The Michelin Pilot sport cups tires are not slicks, slicks don't have tread and these DO. They are DOT legal, racing slicks are NOT. The Dodge Viper ACR, Porsche GT3 and GT2 and the BMW M3 csl all use them BUT the 991 turbo doesn't why? AWD I doubt Nissan and Porsche would miss out if it mattered. BTW ferrari uses pzero corsas the same class as the sport cups, so stop crying.
Google thetruthaboutcars and nissan distances itself from rogue gtr ring video for proof the time is FAKE.
@altimgamr buddy, i'm not the one who starts arguments on nearly all corvette videos , why don't you show me some links first and then talk. oh and let's finish your argument first and then come to here and argue all right ? why don't you get a life ? i bet you get 9+ replys and they all are about arguments on corvette videos
@altimgamr buddy, i'm not the one who starts arguments on nearly all corvette videos , why don't you show me some links first and then talk. oh and let's finish your argument first and then come to here and argue all right ? why don't you get a life ? i bet you get 9+ replys and they all are about arguments on corvette videos LOL
So many GTR haters out there lol. Wow. They are both very very different cars, yet they run almost identical in this race. Just enjoy the video. Who cares if the ZR1 did a 7.19. I dont think the top 1% of all the haters on here would get close to that time lol. Anyway, peace out!
I did come off as a hater, which I admitted, so shame on me. Actually, I respect the GT-R for its technical and performance merits, even though the R35 did suffer some rather questionable teething problems after it hit the streets. I'm simply addressing the Vette haters by responding to fact-starved crap talk with facts.
Thank you! Then again, it's easy when you abandon hate and resentment and align yourself with the facts. I'm not here to defend the Vette. She can take care of herself (as she's proven time and again). I'm just here to set the record straight. Cheers!
@sciullo779 oh take that back 5 seconds gtr 7:24 zr1 7:19 and who cares about punctuation whatever makes you feel better and sleep at night. I own vette you own a scooter and your bitter obviously cant handle a opinion. Nissan dosnt even know you yet you rep it like your in the armed forces get a life1... PUNCTUATION LOL THATS IT?
@legendarylt1 ive been a certified gtr tech for 2 years now...
i never said the zr1 wasnt a faster car, all i want to see is a fair race at the same conditions, think about it, a wet lap over a 10+ mile course... there will be some variance between a wet and a dry lap. hell if its so negligible lets race the zr1 on a wet track and see how it does.
and even if i could afford a vette, i wouldnt buy one, why you ask, because ive never seen someone under 40 driving one...
@sciullo779 thats not what your mom said. Second im sure the size of an egine dosnt determone penis size. I have not yet to see a 8,000hp import. saecond I own two imports. also me owning a corvette is better than what you own and worth more than the basement you live in kid. WTF!! milfs are sexy what are you seventeen?
and i prefer to pick up girls my own age... and again, with the assumptions, you dont know what i drive or where i live so how can you make assumptions about me?
you might think your better because you own a corvette, but the truth is, what you drive and how much you make etc have no bearing on whos better then who.
@FraAngelico729 okay? thats 1 person, whats the average age of a corvette owner?
then again who knows what the targeted demographic for the GTR, we delivered one to a 22 year old and one to a 68 year old with quite a few in between
@legendarylt1 and this is why nobody likes the muscle guys, they have this superiority complex that makes them think they are the best just because they have a car with a v8 or a $50k car etc. just learn to enjoy everything and stop talking out of your ass. oh, and i wouldnt brag about you owning a corvette, we know your lacking a bit down there, and need some way to attempt to pick up milfs
why gtr always off the line everytime...gets out to a lead always first..maybe that computer shit launch control is not such a bad thing..shit i like those results..put it on the fkn vette then wil c
@FraAngelico729 look at the start of the vid an its THE GTR that is down on hp not the zo6.the fact of the matter is my friend, the GTR for the money is a supercar eater.
@FraAngelico729 um did you see what you said, if you watch it again the z06 has 70hp MORE not less than the GT-R... and plus its a Lingenfelter Z06 at that, all they do is cram as much hp as they can. dont be a sore loser. your the only corvette ill ever respect is the ZR1.
@FraAngelico729 the corvette has higher tourque probably so if they went from a 60 roll he would have ate him up and imma tellin the truth about it and im a huge N.I.S.M.O fan
@FraAngelico729 that was the 09 gtr now do it with the 2012 and im sorry but your favorite little corvette would be put to shame. in every single situation the gtr is better then the vet even in drag. sorry but americans dont make the best drag cars anymore and they most definitely make the worst track cars. oh yeah dip shit and the vet is has the 70 more hp making it even more embarrassing on the vets part.
@sciullo779 oh by the way you can google it, wiki it, and you tube gtr 7:21 is a lie its posted every!!! It seems theres people out there who will make numbers up over a car they will never own.
@FraAngelico729 You got it wrong mate, It's the Vette that has 70hp more and weights about 0.5 tonne less. Of course once both cars are moving the Vette will pull on the GTR because the GTR has a bit of belly on it but you got to admit for a 2 tonne car with only 300hp/tonne the GTR did a very good job.
Imagine this same race but if it was the other way round with the HP the results would be even better for the GTR.
In my eyes GTR is the superior car. GO NISSAN!!!!!!
@namybot "You got it wrong mate, It's the Vette that has 70hp more and weights about 0.5 tonne less."
You're about the 1,000th person who told me that. I saw later that I got it wrong, but I just didn't really care. Anyhoo, you're right about the GT-R performing so well for such a heavy car . Kazutoshi Mizuno (chief engineer) described how the car was designed with extra weight to keep it planted through the corners. Interesting approach and it apparently works well.
It is an amazing performer, but I'm critical because of the initial problems. How does Nissan explain the launch control/warranty voiding debacle? And what was with the transmission shredding? The GT-R was touted as an engineering marvel, but problems like that don't exactly shout 'superior engineering'. Granted, they've solved these problems, but the GT-R has a long history. These problems never should have arisen in the first place.
I'm opting for the Vette. She matches (sometimes beats) the exotics affordably and RELIABLY and she does it without OHV's, variable timing, and coilovers. How does a modern car with pushrods and leaf springs set lap records and win endurance races? World-class engineering my friend. THAT'S why I love the Vette. She kicks ass and defies conventional wisdom. My only criticism is the 'plasticky' interior, but that's aesthetic, not functional.
@sciullo779 "the corvette has a double wishbone suspension....."
Yes it does. And let me tell you about that double wishbone set up. It's lighter, less complex, and less expensive than coilovers and provides the same anti-roll and dampening performance with less unsprung weight. All this without sacrificing ride quality. It's also mated to Delphi's Magnetic Selective Ride Control magnetorheological active handling suspension first pioneered by Cadillac and Corvette back in 2003.
@FraAngelico729 you are correct! magnetic suspension with leaf springs, world war 2 push rod tank engine that some how gets the job done very impressive!!
@legendarylt1 "you are correct! magnetic suspension with leaf springs, world war 2 push rod tank engine that some how gets the job done very impressive!!"
Fitting you should mention WWII. The Corvette was named after the fast and maneuverable naval attack ships that, as it happens, blew Germany, Italy, and Japan out of the water and back to their home ports. Just an interesting bit of history. Cheers.
@FraAngelico729 The Corvette has been known as a really good "track" performer. It ends there.
Everybody knows how awful Corvettes are to drive casually, and the cheep interior will take you right back to the 80s. When plastic was seen as acceptable and nobody cared. Travel across Europe for 10hrs in a Corvette and pray there's a doctor that can save your balls.
There is a lot more to be done even on a ZR1 before it's anywhere close to European standers. Track performance doesn't cut it.
@namybot "Travel across Europe for 10hrs in a Corvette and pray there's a doctor that can save your balls."
I traveled across the US several times in an '86 Vette in perfect comfort. The latest generation is far more refined, so I'll have to dismiss this as your own biased and factless opinion. In fact, the C5 and C6 have been universally praised by the automotive press in the US, Europe, AND Japan as easy to drive as any econo-sedan. You'll forgive me for taking their word over yours.
@namybot "There is a lot more to be done even on a ZR1 before it's anywhere close to European standers."
Such as? Could it be the 51/49 front/rear weight distribution? How about the hydroformed aluminum spaceframe and magnesium alloy subframe/engine cradle? The carbon fiber body, perhaps? Maybe the hypereutectic silicon-aluminum alloy pistons and forged titanium connecting rods? Possibly the all-aluminum engine hand-built in GM's clean room in Wixom, Michigan? Should I keep going?
@namybot "What are you talking about, Z06 or ZR1?"
I'm talking about every trim level of Corvette since 1997 with the introduction of the C5. Gone away is the flexible chassis and the squeaks and rattles that went with it.
The 458 happens to be my favorite current model Ferrari because it's an outstanding car. Unlike you, I'm willing to give credit where it's due.
BTW, the word you're looking for is 'standards', not 'standers'. You don't pick up on subtlety very quickly, do you?
@FraAngelico729 So, it's OK for you to talk about GT racing because you want to and it suits you but because i want to mention LMP it's nonsense because it proves you wrong. Yeah, nice one mate. Jog on.
"Why do i know more about European racing than you"
Evidently you have proven your depth of knowledge in the racing world all from the view of Chevrolet factory roof. Which by the way you couldn't see much, which is referring to you knowing jack shit.
@namybot "You obviously haven't listen to a single word i have said"
Yeah, i read what you wrote but seem as there is no verbal convo I find it particularly hard to listen to text . You're American if people don't agree with you they are wrong, I too have seen it all before. American arrogance is the best in the world. Seem as its the only thing you lot will be best at, cherish it.
@namybot "Considering that this is an aesthetic rather than functional concern, it's actually pretty easy to overlook"
So because you want to overlook it means it's OK.
Wait, we are talking about Street cars now. If we are not then i would agree, but we are. Plastic on cars of this level is way in the past. These days Journalist will judge a car on every single aspect and it not just about how fast a car can go especially when the cars are sold to the public, everything has to be right.
@namybot "That is where personal taste comes in, there is always going to be people with different views. You need to learn to live with that."
I don't really care who loves/hates the Vette or why. I'm simply trying to educate you on the facts, or at least call you out on why you TRULY don't like the car (politics and prejudice). If you jst don't like it, fine. Just don't try to BS everyone by saying untrue things about it, or you'll be called on it. Just like I'm doing.
@FraAngelico729 " "you'd be talking to me (a dip-shit) having a pathetic argument on Youtube."
Seem you're so stupid you can't even sense the sarcastic tone this comment had. It's a good job I'm not taking you seriously, because you are the biggest joke I've come across yet.
@namybot You're under the mistaken impression that I think the Vette is the best car in the world. I don't and I challenge you to show where I ever said that. I know that's not true, but I do know that she's competitive with the best out there. You, on the other, want to go on believing that American cars are inferior and you lash out in resentment when you see yankee cars competing on the world stage and being taken seriously. That will make things very difficult for you. Your choice.
@namybot I also hope you've learned something about arguing an untenable position. As you said, I am educated. The facts are on my side because I learn them beforehand. Open your mind, abandon ignorance and prejudice, and you will be better informed and able to appreciate what you couln't before. You called me the charlatan and told me to 'grow up'. Who between us was equipped with the facts? Who between was throwing the tantrum? Who between us was calling names? That should be obvious.
@namybot The video shows how AWD can give you the edge off the line. It also shows how the Vette devoured the GT-R's lead and lost by inches rather than car lengths. I give full marks to the GT-R. This allows me to appreciate hot cars from all over the world. You, on the other hand, can't overcome your own prejudice and appreciate the Vette's performance. The GT-R driver here probably could when he looked out to his left. Too bad for you.
@namybot "You obviously ignored the bit when i killed you off with the 458 engine Performance."
No. While that WAS the only factual thing you said all this time, I never said the Ferrari is a POS. Again, unlike you, I can appreciate excellent cars regardless of where they're from, and the 458 happens to be among my fave Ferraris. By contrast, you claimed the Vette was lacking in quality (again wanting in facts) and I proved otherwise. You were in over your head from the start.
@namybot "Journalist will judge a car on every single aspect and it not just about how fast a car can go especially when the cars are sold to the public, everything has to be right."
Every review I've read in English, German, French, and Spanish (necessity for living and working in Europe for 6 years) on the Vette was overwhelmingly positive in terms of performance, engineering, and refinement. The ONLY thing they could nitpick was the plastic bits. Beyond that...simply high praise.
@namybot "American arrogance is the best in the world. Seem as its the only thing you lot will be best at, cherish it."
NOW we come to it! You just revealed what I've known all along. It's simply KILLING you inside to see an American made car competing with the world in performance, style, engineering, and quality. What makes it even worse is that people outside the US are taking the Vette seriously. All I can say is you're in for a very difficult time if you maintain this resentment.
@FraAngelico729 "NOW we come to it! You just revealed what I've known all along. It's simply KILLING you inside to see an American made car competing with the world in performance, style, engineering, and quality"
@namybot "As much performance as a Bugatti. As much style as a Ferrari. As much engineering as a Porsche. As much quality as a Rolls Royce."
Wow. So basically you're saying the Vette is competitive with four of the most prestigious marques in the world. Nice to see you're finally coming around! LMAO! XD
@FraAngelico729 Hahaha, What i was saying is that other companies do make better cars than Chevy. You knew exactly what i was saying, I should of put a ? on the end of those sentences.
Yes, the Corvette is a fast and cheep answer but you seriously don't believe it's the best car in the world?
Other manufactures are making much better cars but you got to pay for that perfection. I fully understand the Corvette but at the moment other manufactures are engineering far higher quality cars.
So i guess you got nothing intelligent to say or anything that would prove my point to nothing. I have proven my point correct. I'm not going to say "you lost" because I'm more mature than that.
So what's up, have I made a point you can't argue with because you know I'm right. You full well know that cars will never be equal with any other at any point. My point was from the start was... Corvette is a good car but there's better.
@namybot "So what's up, have I made a point you can't argue with because you know I'm right."
I'm still at a loss. What point?
"You full well know that cars will never be equal with any other at any point. My point was from the start was... Corvette is a good car but there's better."
You went off on some logic-starved tangent comparing the Vette to a Rolls Royce. I never made that comparison- you did. That's where this silly little flame way went from boring to outright strange.
@namybot OK, let me try to help you understand where you went wrong. (Can't believe I'm doing this.)
*SIGH* OK. No, the Vette won't compete with Rolls Royce in luxury (a claim I never made to begin with). Neither will Ferrari, Porsche, or GT-R. But they'll all run CIRCLES around it in performance, an area in which the Vette is HIGHLY competitive. Corvette is also as reliable as any Benz, Porsche, or BMW (Remember that catastrophic engine failure debacle back in 2009? BMW owners do!)
@namybot You also compared the Vette to a Bugatti Veyron. Strange. $100,000 vs. $1,000,000, but OK. The Veyron hits 60 in the 2's, 1/4 in the 10's (barely 1 second faster than Z06/ZR1), and tops out past 260mph. Impressive, but not surprising. I could follow this comparo by saying it takes 16 cylinders, 4 turbos, 1,000hp, and $1mil to beat the Vette. It's also important to note that the Veyron's been roundly criticized for its harsh ride. Not what you'd reasonably expect for $1million.
@namybot So really, I don't have to do anything to demonstrate how deficient your arguments have been. You've been doing that yourself this whole time. All I've been doing is addressing your nonsense with facts. I've just been having a little fun. Which I guess is kinda mean on my part, considering you're out of your league with me. But, hey- it's just YouTube.
@namybot "Can a Corvette complete a rally stage as fast as a Subaru WRX or an Mitsubishi Evo? NO."
Nice try. The Vette's not a rally car, but her lap times beat both around numerous road courses. Plus, the WRX feels like a tin can.
"Can a Corvette hit top speed matching Koenigsegg, Bugatti, SSC? NO"
Her handling matches or beats all three. There's more to performance than top speed. They've also been criticized for their harsh rides. Not something heard about the Vette since 1997.
@namybot "Can a Corvette get as much MPG as a Kia Rio or a VW Lupo? NO"
WTF??? That's just lame! (LMAO) Neither do Ferraris or GT-Rs. A better question is how 7.0 liter V8 gets a ULEV rating.
"Can a Corvette carry as much style as a Ferrari or a Lamborghini? NO"
Style is subjective. Depends on who you ask. For instance, I personally find that while there's no arguing their performance, the Veryon and R35 are ugly as ass (R34 and 370Z are GORGEOUS). So arguing style is pointless.
@namybot "Yes, the Corvette is a fast and cheep answer but you seriously don't believe it's the best car in the world?"
No I don't. If that's your understanding, I'd recommend remedial reading comprehension. All I've been saying is that she's competitive. I also countered your outright dismissal with facts. Nor did I attempt to tear down any other cars to make the Vette look good. I don't need to. That's why she's such a fantastic car. Something you can't seem to accept.
U SORRY ASS MOTHERFUCKERS ! NONE OF U CAN AFFORD A GTR OR A FUCKING VETTE ! STFU !!
nashaat 1 day ago
In reallity the through the quarter that worthless Vette is dead in the water
TurboTylerT 5 days ago 3
@TurboTylerT Oh paleezze.. So there's a small handful of production cars that can beat it and its worthless all of a sudden. Yeah right.. what car do you drive?
odessaboy 2 days ago
The corvette finished first. The reason it looks like it came 2nd is because its farther away, making it look shorter and smaller. Also keep in mind that the corvette is abit longer than the GTR. Its not when the tires touch the line, its the front bumper you noob. because then, someone could have extra long tires like a tank, and cross the finish line first even though the actual front of the car would be 10 feet back. Dosent take alot of thought sherlock...
Corvette35000 1 week ago
@Corvette35000 no you are wrong....dragtimesinfo put the camera at a position that they can tell who won the race..look at 0:38 the camera is exactly inline with the finish line....what you trying to say is true if the camera is infront of the finish line...if the vette won, you can see the red bumper when cross the line
davelerthing21 1 week ago
@davelerthing21 Im not saying your wrong, but how do you know the camera was exactly parralell? It may look like it is, but it couldnt be...and another thing I would just say they should have a camera in the middle and on the other side so they can see officially who won like in all their other videos...cuz now we cant see if the covette driver floored it right at the end and passed him by an inch or something...once again, not saying your wrong, but still. XD
Corvette35000 1 week ago
@Corvette35000 ...don't be mad because a cheaper car can beat a corvette.
Lestat3721 1 week ago
@Lestat3721 Im not mad, Im just explaining a concept...but nobody can prove who won anyway so we might aswell all be quiet about it XD
Corvette35000 1 week ago
@Corvette35000 GTR as 100 hp less and because we cant agree who won we would say it was very close
There is no way a Z06 with a Deficit of 40 hp is able to keep up with New stock GTR's with 40 more hp than the Completely out of date 1960 technology z06
niceboy60 4 days ago
@niceboy60 Dude, the Z06 Dosent have 40 hp, you don't even know whats under the hood of this car. Btw, this car isnt from 1960...the STINGRAY was, but not this. Don't you know your cars? To top that off you don't even know whats under the hood of THAT SPECIFIC GTR anyway.
Corvette35000 4 days ago
@Corvette35000 GTR 2013 is now on sale with 545hp stock 40hp more than the out of date zo6
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The information about the GTR hp is displayed in beginning of this video, they have dyno machines on site's as money doesn't seem a issue to this people
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Don't make Sad excuses for your 1960 zo6
niceboy60 4 days ago
@niceboy60 Your right. I'm not making an excuse for the 1960 zo6, probably because it DOSENT EXIST. So thanks for changing the topic of the argument. You do know theres a thing called 'modifying' where people take engines and swap them for more powerful ones, if your putting a stock car against a tuned car, of course its going to lose. Thats why the corvette driver probably put in modified parts, otherwise he would have lost. Its just common sense man.
Corvette35000 4 days ago
close call but I think the GT-R crossed first
alexadru93 2 weeks ago
See...
Boomandpower 2 weeks ago
@angelofdeath2874, TRUE the GTR isn't in any list but think...the cheapest car on those list is 1mill at least, i mean cmn!! were talking about a $100k car. its awesome enough just to have the right to rum among them.
4brolyss 2 weeks ago
@4brolyss i never thought of it that way, gotta give it to you. youre right
angelofdeath2874 2 weeks ago
UN BUGATTI ES MAS DEPORTIBO QUE UN CORVETTE ZR1
lamborgini0103 2 weeks ago
@lamborgini0103 PUES SI WE...EL BUGGATTI ES EL 2 KARRO MAS RAPIDO DEL MUNDO...EL ZR1 ES NOMAS UN KARRO DEPORTIBO DE LA CHEVY...NO AY KOMPARASION NINGUNA ENTRE UN BUGATTI O UN ZR1...SON 2 NIVELES DIFERENTES DE KARROS...
pansitasloko13 2 weeks ago
old gtr ...
Solider134 3 weeks ago 10
@Solider134 the 2012 will rape that zo6 :P
midsuperset1 1 week ago
@midsuperset1 Really? The 2012 GTR ran a 7:24 on the Nurburgring. The Z06 ran a 7:22. So how does it beat the ZO6? 2012 GTR has 520HP. The Z06 has 500HP. The ZO6 also is about 30,000$ cheaper.
MegaGunRush 5 days ago
@MegaGunRush fellow cut your fake times , Every one knows the GTR 2012& 2013 is the Faster car as every single video shows Z06 being raped by (NEW) GTR'S
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Z06 is cheaper because it feels cheap & nasty
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Z06 30.000$ cheaper than the GTR Does not come with Satnav nor sticky tyres ,Nor sport suspension ,nor leather seats , you buy a lemon vette shell.
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GTR 2012& 2013 base model ALL INCLUDED
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GTR 2012 = 530hp & GTR 2013 =545 hp price performance is just unbeatable
niceboy60 4 days ago
@niceboy60 Cheap? The ZO6 has leather interior, key less ignition, Satellite Navigation, integrated voice communication for cell phone, Heads Up Display, sports seats, trip computer and much more.. No sport suspension?!?! If it didn't have a good "sport" suspension then why did the 2012 ZO6 run a 7:22 at the Nurburgring and the 2012 GTR ran a 7:24? Oh, don't believe the Jeremy Clarkson. Not made of plastic. CF aerodynamic parts, Aluminum frame. If ZO6 can't beat the GTR, the ZR1 WILL.
MegaGunRush 4 days ago
@MegaGunRush because the z06 that did that had an upgraded zr1 suspension AND CARBON CERAMIC BRAKES and stupid ridiculous tires.......... enormous upgrades over the stock z06 that has such minuscule changes since 2006. please state all the facts because the 2012 with the z07 package is 20 seconds or so faster then the previous.
joeyg8226 4 days ago
@MegaGunRush your fake track times mean nothing to me. When every single video shows the z06 with its 1960 dumb technology being destroyed in every single race against the GTR 2012 & 2013 models, the not even in a rolling start z06 can't keep up
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Z06 does not even come with a satnav unless you pay more more money
niceboy60 4 days ago
@MegaGunRush let me give you the benefit of dough.
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Do you really believe in the verbal diarrhea you are talking about?
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Could you show us any head to head video were it shows a stock zo6 winning a GTR 2012 or 2013?
niceboy60 4 days ago
@niceboy60 watch?v=iFqEYW9-KCA&list=FL4Kqq2YXAVfwr9UhpwOu-VQ&index=1&feature=plpp_video
watch?v=cVw3-vNxzRc&list=FL4Kqq2YXAVfwr9UhpwOu-VQ&index=2&feature=plpp_video
watch?v=1JNxR4hc-6c&list=FL4Kqq2YXAVfwr9UhpwOu-VQ&index=4&feature=plpp_video
watch?v=kCBkveWndcw&list=FL4Kqq2YXAVfwr9UhpwOu-VQ&index=6&feature=plpp_video
I know for a fact that that the ZO6 DOES come with all these because my dad was going to buy a ZO6, thus we both did a lot of research. Instead bought a F250 for work.
MegaGunRush 3 days ago
niceboy60 3 days ago
@niceboy60 You're talking about 1/4 times ehh? Take a look at this bone stock Z06 right off the showroom floor with stock tires driven to the strip and it runs a 11.02 /watch?v=Ct_RxkWp41g
07Z06ss 2 days ago
@07Z06ss fellow Z06 doing 11.02 sec bone stock in 1/4 mile its unconfirmed time
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Which means NOT A SINGLE MEDIA ORGANISATION or INDEPENDENT test manage to Replicate this times on a Stock Z06
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GTR 2012 or 2013
. 11.2 sec in a 1/4 mile has been confirmed by every single media organisation or independent test
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Just because one guy achieved this times on Z06 does not mean is achievable for other zo6 drivers
niceboy60 2 days ago
@MegaGunRush the Insideline video at no point shows a head to head race it only shows ridicules track numbers which don't make sense to any one
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the last 2 videos does not show a z06 winning a GTR there was to much traffic
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Your links don't reflect the reality as if I was to post every single video link of GTR winning a Z06 I would be receiving hundreds of video links
niceboy60 3 days ago
@MegaGunRush what makes you think a Z06 with 505 hp can keep up with a GTR 2012 ,530hp (Stock) or GTR 545hp (Stock)
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When this video clearly shows 670hp ZO6 not being able to keep up with a Nissan GTR with less 100hp ?
niceboy60 4 days ago
@MegaGunRush the z06 that ran 722 had a z07 performance package package which makes it damn close to 98k, thats more then the gtr
joeyg8226 4 days ago
@joeyg8226 Actually the ZO7 package costs 94k. The 2013 GTR base price is now 99k. The BE is 106k. Still costs less. I respect the GTR. A great car, but facts don't lie. ZO6 is still better around the track.
MegaGunRush 3 days ago
@MegaGunRush maybe if driven by a race car driver.. the gtr can pwn driven by a child.. that car is just that good.. imagine what a real driver could with the gtr..
LeonStark 3 days ago
@LeonStark GTR is a computer....an average driver can get an 11.3 in the 1/4...a pro can get an 11.2 in the 1/4,,,,no skill
07Z06ss 2 days ago
@07Z06ss lol tell that to motor trend.. or any other major car reviewer for that matter and see what they say.. the gtr gives the driver far more confidence, and not just that for the price of the ZR1, people can get the ams package for the gtr and go toe to toe with a veyron..
LeonStark 1 day ago
@LeonStark Imagine what a pro can do? You have paddle shifters (takes only a tap to shift gears) and a computer that eliminates any error created by the driver on the launch and a the track. On multiple "vs" videos any man says that just about anyone can drive the GTR. They had trouble taming the ZO6. When they got a grip of the Z06, they said it handles better and was faster on their track.The ZO6 doesn't have these fancy gadgets. It's a raw manual gearbox and yet the ZO6 pulls of a 3.6 0-60.
MegaGunRush 2 days ago
@MegaGunRush .. your point? the gtr is the better car..the corvette is build by backwards morons.. its still uses a 16valves pre cylinder ohc v8 hahah seriously.. well what can i expect.. the 2005 ford gt can do a 0-60 in less time with a conventional gear box.. that piece of shit chevy cant manage that with better tires and a lighter body.. go jump in a ditch..
LeonStark 2 days ago
GTR is quick Corvette loses ...........
R34GTRR35 3 weeks ago
@R34GTRR35 time wise the vette won
lamboisking 3 weeks ago
@lamboisking So what, im talking about the whole competition , google 2011 MOSCOW Unlim winners list .
R34GTRR35 3 weeks ago
i cant believe people are arguing about this shitty ass car. when you talk about fastest cars on the planet the gtr isnt even on the list. so who cares, watch the vid and shut the fuck up
angelofdeath2874 3 weeks ago
20 more ft and the Vette woulda had him....
07SuperchargedSS 3 weeks ago
@07SuperchargedSS Porsche and GTR win this event every year
R34GTRR35 3 weeks ago
the same stupid argument over Nürburgring times... Come on people...
1st: do you believe, that the times are 100 % true and done with 100 % stock cars ? I don't think so...
2nd: Only racedrivers can reach those times, normal customers only in their dream, most of them would struggle to go below 9 minutes in ANY car
3rd: if you choose a car because of Nürburgring times, you should get your head checked soon
Banderius79 3 weeks ago
If I remember right that was a low boost build. The higher boost builds can easily exceed 1k hp, but that is just insane. I love the sound of the dyno bays when they get checked out though. The driver was literally playing with the distance between him and the GT-R. Not saying that GT-R isn't fast with a lot amount of power to move the AWD setup. I would love to own one one day. The title is misleading a bit as LPE means Lingenfelter Performance Engineering. Kind of like saying ATM machine
levisimpreza 4 weeks ago
gtr killed? huh.......
losercust 1 month ago
** Subscribed even with the awkward and annoying moment when all the comments below the video are @some_dumb_motherfucker reply comments that end up not making any fucking sense to read...**
dalesalsa 1 month ago
SUBSCRIBED... Great race...
dalesalsa 1 month ago
gtr killed that POS
altimgamr 1 month ago
@altimgamr God. You are so lame. Again with your troll line out. What a loser
gotmatt2 4 weeks ago
@gotmatt2 agree..
Bravo12RX 4 weeks ago
@gotmatt2 dont be butt hurt that your shitty vette lost to the far superior gtr. its pretty common
altimgamr 3 weeks ago
@altimgamr Far superior? You're like talking to a three year old mentally and a twenty year old with no friends socially. Pointless, you're to uninformed to know better and really just want someone to talk to so you never shut up.
gotmatt2 3 weeks ago
@gotmatt2 figures thats all a simple mind like you could come up with. you probly just shouldnt even reply if you dont even know anything about cars to start with. gtr has 4 seats weights so much more and is still faster than the vette haha. get a life troll
altimgamr 3 weeks ago
@altimgamr Oh you got me! I'm the troll, fucking hysterical. Faster is a matter of perspective. It's faster in a straight line, but back when muscles ruled that criteria import lovers talked about how turning was what's important. Now around a track the Z06/ZR1 is better and you idiots talk about straight line acceleration. What's funny is that you're too stupid to realize you simply pick whatever "your" car is better at because you're biased. Four seats my ass, maybe for babies or groceries
gotmatt2 3 weeks ago
@gotmatt2 the z06 lost around the track dude. idk and you dont know what youre talking about. take your own advice kiddy before you make yourself look even dumber.
altimgamr 3 weeks ago
@altimgamr Really what track? And which year Z06 compared to to which year GTR? Last time I checked the Z06 had no problem beating the GTR, whether it be at VIR, the ring, laguna seca, or any track since GM gave it PTM. That goes double since GM gave it the pilot sport cups. Kiddie. Seriously, stop telling other people to do their research and learn something about cars when you obviously haven't done so.
gotmatt2 3 weeks ago
@gotmatt2 In each of the cases mentioned above the Z06 beat or is within a ten or two of a second. When it did lose its was because the driver elected not to use the PTM (i.e Randy Pobst) Make sure you compare cars that are in the same year/position in their life cycles. Comparing a 2005 Z06 to a 2013 GTR is stupid.
gotmatt2 3 weeks ago
@gotmatt2 the ring dude. 2012 gtr 721 2012 z06 722 with slicks. you need to stop trolling dude you should really learn about the subject before trying to defend something you know nothing about
altimgamr 3 weeks ago
@altimgamr Um, dude that 7:21 time you mention is a fake time, Nissan themselves stated so. They stated that somebody spliced together pieces of legitimate footage and added a fake timer - google it and see for yourself.
Slicks = you're fucking retarded. Semi - slick DOT legal tires are not slicks. Slicks aren't road legal and the vette isn't the only car to use the sport cups. These tires are perfectly fair to use just like the GTR's AWD is perfectly fair, get over it.
Listen to yourself.
gotmatt2 3 weeks ago
@gotmatt2 it didnt used semi slicks dumbass it used slicks. 721 is legit youre just crying like a little bitch. get over it kid gtr is just faster
altimgamr 3 weeks ago
@altimgamr
Michelin pilot sport cup tires are not slicks and these are the tires that come on the Z06 and ZR1. They are 100% legal and come on the production car.
Google GTR 7:21 fake and those three words will bring you to several links that have information about the fake time. Nissan themselves admitted it was fake. You're just crying because it's true.
You must be so lonely.
gotmatt2 3 weeks ago
@gotmatt2 kid youre just clueless thats all that can be said of you. gtr got 721 and z06 used slicks. gtr>z06 loser now get a life
altimgamr 3 weeks ago
@altimgamr
This is why you're a troll, you are an idiot and know nothing about what you talk, but knowing your weakness you claim this of everyone else. You know they know they aren't dumb and will tell you where you're wrong and you can continue to be a complete moron and get them to respond. After about five interactions the realize you just need somebody to be your friend because nobody likes you. They leave and you move on to the next poor bastard. Get a life and get off YouTube.
gotmatt2 3 weeks ago
@altimgamr
The Michelin Pilot sport cups tires are not slicks, slicks don't have tread and these DO. They are DOT legal, racing slicks are NOT. The Dodge Viper ACR, Porsche GT3 and GT2 and the BMW M3 csl all use them BUT the 991 turbo doesn't why? AWD I doubt Nissan and Porsche would miss out if it mattered. BTW ferrari uses pzero corsas the same class as the sport cups, so stop crying.
Google thetruthaboutcars and nissan distances itself from rogue gtr ring video for proof the time is FAKE.
gotmatt2 3 weeks ago
@altimgamr wow you're nothing but a troll.
Bravo12RX 3 weeks ago
@Bravo12RX actually thats you kid. i give facts you give shit because thats all you are. a piece of shit troll. get a life kid gtr>z06
altimgamr 3 weeks ago
@altimgamr buddy, i'm not the one who starts arguments on nearly all corvette videos , why don't you show me some links first and then talk. oh and let's finish your argument first and then come to here and argue all right ? why don't you get a life ? i bet you get 9+ replys and they all are about arguments on corvette videos
Bravo12RX 3 weeks ago
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@altimgamr buddy, i'm not the one who starts arguments on nearly all corvette videos , why don't you show me some links first and then talk. oh and let's finish your argument first and then come to here and argue all right ? why don't you get a life ? i bet you get 9+ replys and they all are about arguments on corvette videos LOL
Bravo12RX 3 weeks ago
@gotmatt2 don't bother with him, he's nothing but the common youtube troll.
Bravo12RX 3 weeks ago
@altimgamr din't even reply, i'm done with you. Get a life and off YouTube
gotmatt2 3 weeks ago
what no time?
gotmatt2 1 month ago
So many GTR haters out there lol. Wow. They are both very very different cars, yet they run almost identical in this race. Just enjoy the video. Who cares if the ZR1 did a 7.19. I dont think the top 1% of all the haters on here would get close to that time lol. Anyway, peace out!
HybridTheorykid1 1 month ago
@HybridTheorykid1 "So many GTR haters out there lol."
I did come off as a hater, which I admitted, so shame on me. Actually, I respect the GT-R for its technical and performance merits, even though the R35 did suffer some rather questionable teething problems after it hit the streets. I'm simply addressing the Vette haters by responding to fact-starved crap talk with facts.
FraAngelico729 1 month ago
@FraAngelico729 spoken like a true champ
legendarylt1 1 month ago
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@legendarylt1 "spoken like a true champ"
Thank you! Then again, it's easy when you abandon hate and resentment and align yourself with the facts. I'm not here to defend the Vette. She can take care of herself (as she's proven time and again). I'm just here to set the record straight. Cheers!
FraAngelico729 1 month ago 2
one word to describe the race.... " RAPED!"
rhysgoss87 1 month ago
There are 5 idiots + FranAngelico who can't read right lol
suciaaguadecoco 1 month ago
@suciaaguadecoco including me make that six!!
legendarylt1 1 month ago
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acopBrad 1 month ago
in these races they would say a a 1500hp z06 runs like high 12's so fake
Sel3151 1 month ago
GT-R is so overrated. Put that PoS up against a zr1 then see what happens
MrBabymack 1 month ago
@MrBabymack put them on the track and see what happens ZR1 could only see smoke behind GTR's ass
240BHPB18CEG 1 month ago
@240BHPB18CEG zr1 destroyed gtr at nurburgring look it up 2012 zr1 vs 2012 gtr get over yourself you will never own a gtr just a fan
legendarylt1 1 month ago 2
@legendarylt1 2 seconds isnt "destroying another car" especially for a fucking wet lap vs a dry lap.
and try using punctuation...
sciullo779 1 month ago
@sciullo779 oh god the wet lap excuse dont fend for a car you never drivin or even changed the radio station in. win is a win, end of story
legendarylt1 1 month ago
@sciullo779 oh take that back 5 seconds gtr 7:24 zr1 7:19 and who cares about punctuation whatever makes you feel better and sleep at night. I own vette you own a scooter and your bitter obviously cant handle a opinion. Nissan dosnt even know you yet you rep it like your in the armed forces get a life1... PUNCTUATION LOL THATS IT?
legendarylt1 1 month ago
@legendarylt1 ive been a certified gtr tech for 2 years now...
i never said the zr1 wasnt a faster car, all i want to see is a fair race at the same conditions, think about it, a wet lap over a 10+ mile course... there will be some variance between a wet and a dry lap. hell if its so negligible lets race the zr1 on a wet track and see how it does.
and even if i could afford a vette, i wouldnt buy one, why you ask, because ive never seen someone under 40 driving one...
sciullo779 1 month ago
@sciullo779 thats not what your mom said. Second im sure the size of an egine dosnt determone penis size. I have not yet to see a 8,000hp import. saecond I own two imports. also me owning a corvette is better than what you own and worth more than the basement you live in kid. WTF!! milfs are sexy what are you seventeen?
legendarylt1 1 month ago
@legendarylt1 show me a dyno of an 8000 hp car...
and i prefer to pick up girls my own age... and again, with the assumptions, you dont know what i drive or where i live so how can you make assumptions about me?
you might think your better because you own a corvette, but the truth is, what you drive and how much you make etc have no bearing on whos better then who.
sciullo779 1 month ago
@sciullo779 "and even if i could afford a vette, i wouldnt buy one, why you ask, because ive never seen someone under 40 driving one..."
My first Vette was an '02 C5 Z06. I was 25.
FraAngelico729 1 month ago
@FraAngelico729 okay? thats 1 person, whats the average age of a corvette owner?
then again who knows what the targeted demographic for the GTR, we delivered one to a 22 year old and one to a 68 year old with quite a few in between
sciullo779 1 month ago
@legendarylt1 and this is why nobody likes the muscle guys, they have this superiority complex that makes them think they are the best just because they have a car with a v8 or a $50k car etc. just learn to enjoy everything and stop talking out of your ass. oh, and i wouldnt brag about you owning a corvette, we know your lacking a bit down there, and need some way to attempt to pick up milfs
sciullo779 1 month ago
@legendarylt1 oh by the way its SIX SECONDS!! look it up tool
legendarylt1 1 month ago
@240BHPB18CEG Dude...
Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times (as of 20 Jan 2012)
ZR1........7min 19sec
Z06........7min 22sec
GT-R........7min 24sec
As someone, wise told me...chill out. Both awesome cars. Just enjoy the car you like and give credit where it's due.
FraAngelico729 1 month ago
Even if the GT-R losses, people still like to match it up with any car to race. GT-R Pride!
clintb92 1 month ago
if they started in the seconde gear, the z06 would eat the gt-r
nou790 1 month ago
why gtr always off the line everytime...gets out to a lead always first..maybe that computer shit launch control is not such a bad thing..shit i like those results..put it on the fkn vette then wil c
musvlehead 1 month ago
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FraAngelico729 1 month ago 5
@FraAngelico729 look at the start of the vid an its THE GTR that is down on hp not the zo6.the fact of the matter is my friend, the GTR for the money is a supercar eater.
Tpviper 1 month ago
@Tpviper Considering that both cars ring in at under $100k and run door-to-door with exotics, I guess that puts them in the same class.
FraAngelico729 1 month ago 6
@FraAngelico729 um did you see what you said, if you watch it again the z06 has 70hp MORE not less than the GT-R... and plus its a Lingenfelter Z06 at that, all they do is cram as much hp as they can. dont be a sore loser. your the only corvette ill ever respect is the ZR1.
StupidKieleVideos 1 month ago
@FraAngelico729 Z06 is the one with 70HP headstart idiot.
THExKINGxKINGx 1 month ago
@FraAngelico729 It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile winning's winning.
Lockersinviter 1 month ago
@FraAngelico729 the corvette has higher tourque probably so if they went from a 60 roll he would have ate him up and imma tellin the truth about it and im a huge N.I.S.M.O fan
MultiLinkz 1 month ago
@FraAngelico729 that was the 09 gtr now do it with the 2012 and im sorry but your favorite little corvette would be put to shame. in every single situation the gtr is better then the vet even in drag. sorry but americans dont make the best drag cars anymore and they most definitely make the worst track cars. oh yeah dip shit and the vet is has the 70 more hp making it even more embarrassing on the vets part.
mrincredible26 1 month ago
@mrincredible26 "they most definitely make the worst track cars."
Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times (as of 20 Jan 2012)
ZR1........7min 19sec
Z06........7min 22sec
GT-R........7min 24sec
You were saying?
FraAngelico729 1 month ago
@FraAngelico729 everyone brings these times up and i dont know why... yes its a confirmed lap time, but your comparing a wet lap and a dry lap...
sciullo779 1 month ago
@sciullo779 oh by the way you can google it, wiki it, and you tube gtr 7:21 is a lie its posted every!!! It seems theres people out there who will make numbers up over a car they will never own.
legendarylt1 1 month ago
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@sciullo779 "your comparing a wet lap and a dry lap..."
I've seen the track surface in that video. Frankly, there's more water in my toilet than there was on the track that day.
FraAngelico729 1 month ago
@FraAngelico729 You got it wrong mate, It's the Vette that has 70hp more and weights about 0.5 tonne less. Of course once both cars are moving the Vette will pull on the GTR because the GTR has a bit of belly on it but you got to admit for a 2 tonne car with only 300hp/tonne the GTR did a very good job.
Imagine this same race but if it was the other way round with the HP the results would be even better for the GTR.
In my eyes GTR is the superior car. GO NISSAN!!!!!!
namybot 1 month ago
@namybot "You got it wrong mate, It's the Vette that has 70hp more and weights about 0.5 tonne less."
You're about the 1,000th person who told me that. I saw later that I got it wrong, but I just didn't really care. Anyhoo, you're right about the GT-R performing so well for such a heavy car . Kazutoshi Mizuno (chief engineer) described how the car was designed with extra weight to keep it planted through the corners. Interesting approach and it apparently works well.
FraAngelico729 1 month ago
@namybot "Imagine this same race but if it was the other way round with the HP the results would be even better for the GTR."
Well, that's fairly obvious, isn't it?
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FraAngelico729 1 month ago
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@namybot "In my eyes GTR is the superior car."
It is an amazing performer, but I'm critical because of the initial problems. How does Nissan explain the launch control/warranty voiding debacle? And what was with the transmission shredding? The GT-R was touted as an engineering marvel, but problems like that don't exactly shout 'superior engineering'. Granted, they've solved these problems, but the GT-R has a long history. These problems never should have arisen in the first place.
FraAngelico729 1 month ago 3
@namybot "In my eyes GTR is the superior car."
I'm opting for the Vette. She matches (sometimes beats) the exotics affordably and RELIABLY and she does it without OHV's, variable timing, and coilovers. How does a modern car with pushrods and leaf springs set lap records and win endurance races? World-class engineering my friend. THAT'S why I love the Vette. She kicks ass and defies conventional wisdom. My only criticism is the 'plasticky' interior, but that's aesthetic, not functional.
FraAngelico729 1 month ago 2
@FraAngelico729 the corvette has a double wishbone suspension.....
sciullo779 1 month ago
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@sciullo779 "the corvette has a double wishbone suspension....."
Yes it does. And let me tell you about that double wishbone set up. It's lighter, less complex, and less expensive than coilovers and provides the same anti-roll and dampening performance with less unsprung weight. All this without sacrificing ride quality. It's also mated to Delphi's Magnetic Selective Ride Control magnetorheological active handling suspension first pioneered by Cadillac and Corvette back in 2003.
FraAngelico729 1 month ago 2
@FraAngelico729 you are correct! magnetic suspension with leaf springs, world war 2 push rod tank engine that some how gets the job done very impressive!!
legendarylt1 1 month ago 2
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@legendarylt1 "you are correct! magnetic suspension with leaf springs, world war 2 push rod tank engine that some how gets the job done very impressive!!"
Fitting you should mention WWII. The Corvette was named after the fast and maneuverable naval attack ships that, as it happens, blew Germany, Italy, and Japan out of the water and back to their home ports. Just an interesting bit of history. Cheers.
FraAngelico729 1 month ago 2
@FraAngelico729 The Corvette has been known as a really good "track" performer. It ends there.
Everybody knows how awful Corvettes are to drive casually, and the cheep interior will take you right back to the 80s. When plastic was seen as acceptable and nobody cared. Travel across Europe for 10hrs in a Corvette and pray there's a doctor that can save your balls.
There is a lot more to be done even on a ZR1 before it's anywhere close to European standers. Track performance doesn't cut it.
namybot 1 month ago
@namybot "Travel across Europe for 10hrs in a Corvette and pray there's a doctor that can save your balls."
I traveled across the US several times in an '86 Vette in perfect comfort. The latest generation is far more refined, so I'll have to dismiss this as your own biased and factless opinion. In fact, the C5 and C6 have been universally praised by the automotive press in the US, Europe, AND Japan as easy to drive as any econo-sedan. You'll forgive me for taking their word over yours.
FraAngelico729 1 month ago 2
@namybot "There is a lot more to be done even on a ZR1 before it's anywhere close to European standers."
Such as? Could it be the 51/49 front/rear weight distribution? How about the hydroformed aluminum spaceframe and magnesium alloy subframe/engine cradle? The carbon fiber body, perhaps? Maybe the hypereutectic silicon-aluminum alloy pistons and forged titanium connecting rods? Possibly the all-aluminum engine hand-built in GM's clean room in Wixom, Michigan? Should I keep going?
FraAngelico729 1 month ago 2
@FraAngelico729 What are you talking about, Z06 or ZR1?
There is many Journalists that have also said Corvettes are the most horrible cars they have driven.
European standers. Take 458.
4.5L (270 cu in) V8 NA producing 560hp@9000rpm/400ft-lb@6000rpm/80%Tq@3200rpm with DFI
Making it engine of the year 2011 and producing more power per liter than any other production car.
7speed D/C box
Double wishbone@front and multi-link set-up@rear.
E-Diff/F1TCS Improve performace by massive 32%.
52%@rear
namybot 1 month ago
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@namybot "What are you talking about, Z06 or ZR1?"
I'm talking about every trim level of Corvette since 1997 with the introduction of the C5. Gone away is the flexible chassis and the squeaks and rattles that went with it.
The 458 happens to be my favorite current model Ferrari because it's an outstanding car. Unlike you, I'm willing to give credit where it's due.
BTW, the word you're looking for is 'standards', not 'standers'. You don't pick up on subtlety very quickly, do you?
FraAngelico729 1 month ago
@FraAngelico729 So, it's OK for you to talk about GT racing because you want to and it suits you but because i want to mention LMP it's nonsense because it proves you wrong. Yeah, nice one mate. Jog on.
"Why do i know more about European racing than you"
Evidently you have proven your depth of knowledge in the racing world all from the view of Chevrolet factory roof. Which by the way you couldn't see much, which is referring to you knowing jack shit.
You don't know me.
namybot 1 month ago
@namybot "You obviously haven't listen to a single word i have said"
Yeah, i read what you wrote but seem as there is no verbal convo I find it particularly hard to listen to text . You're American if people don't agree with you they are wrong, I too have seen it all before. American arrogance is the best in the world. Seem as its the only thing you lot will be best at, cherish it.
namybot 1 month ago
@namybot "Considering that this is an aesthetic rather than functional concern, it's actually pretty easy to overlook"
So because you want to overlook it means it's OK.
Wait, we are talking about Street cars now. If we are not then i would agree, but we are. Plastic on cars of this level is way in the past. These days Journalist will judge a car on every single aspect and it not just about how fast a car can go especially when the cars are sold to the public, everything has to be right.
namybot 1 month ago
@namybot
At the end of the day.
Is the Corvette a good machine? YES
Is the Corvette a good car? It's up to you.
That is where personal taste comes in, there is always going to be people with different views. You need to learn to live with that.
I personally like the Corvette, I just like other cars much more.
Is anything wrong with that? NO
namybot 1 month ago
@namybot "That is where personal taste comes in, there is always going to be people with different views. You need to learn to live with that."
I don't really care who loves/hates the Vette or why. I'm simply trying to educate you on the facts, or at least call you out on why you TRULY don't like the car (politics and prejudice). If you jst don't like it, fine. Just don't try to BS everyone by saying untrue things about it, or you'll be called on it. Just like I'm doing.
FraAngelico729 1 month ago
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@FraAngelico729 " But don't be surprised when someone better educated calls you out on your trail of bullshit"
If you could see my face right now after reading that, you'd probably want to slap me. Because me and my mates are laughing our tits off.
I wouldn't comment on that stupid remark you made, even if i got paid for it.
namybot 1 month ago
@namybot Funny shit is, you are so brain washed about the Vette is so great and mighty that you've forgotten about the video your commenting on.
You know the less powered, two tonne car killing the shit out a vette.
namybot 1 month ago
@namybot "Every review I've read in English, German, French, and Spanish (necessity for living and working in Europe for 6 years)"
You make your self sound so educated, smart and mature. You are a real man, a devoted enthusiast and a mountain of information.
And to think you'd be talking to me (a dip-shit) having a pathetic argument on Youtube. I know, IT SOUNDS SILLY DOESN'T IT.
You are a charlatan, go away.
Grow up.
namybot 1 month ago
@namybot "you'd be talking to me (a dip-shit) having a pathetic argument on Youtube."
That's the most sensible thing you've said throughout this entire discussion.
FraAngelico729 1 month ago
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@FraAngelico729 " "you'd be talking to me (a dip-shit) having a pathetic argument on Youtube."
Seem you're so stupid you can't even sense the sarcastic tone this comment had. It's a good job I'm not taking you seriously, because you are the biggest joke I've come across yet.
namybot 1 month ago
@namybot You're under the mistaken impression that I think the Vette is the best car in the world. I don't and I challenge you to show where I ever said that. I know that's not true, but I do know that she's competitive with the best out there. You, on the other, want to go on believing that American cars are inferior and you lash out in resentment when you see yankee cars competing on the world stage and being taken seriously. That will make things very difficult for you. Your choice.
FraAngelico729 1 month ago
@namybot I also hope you've learned something about arguing an untenable position. As you said, I am educated. The facts are on my side because I learn them beforehand. Open your mind, abandon ignorance and prejudice, and you will be better informed and able to appreciate what you couln't before. You called me the charlatan and told me to 'grow up'. Who between us was equipped with the facts? Who between was throwing the tantrum? Who between us was calling names? That should be obvious.
FraAngelico729 1 month ago
@namybot The video shows how AWD can give you the edge off the line. It also shows how the Vette devoured the GT-R's lead and lost by inches rather than car lengths. I give full marks to the GT-R. This allows me to appreciate hot cars from all over the world. You, on the other hand, can't overcome your own prejudice and appreciate the Vette's performance. The GT-R driver here probably could when he looked out to his left. Too bad for you.
FraAngelico729 1 month ago
@FraAngelico729 You said I don't post facts.
You obviously ignored the bit when i killed you off with the 458 engine Performance.
namybot 1 month ago
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@namybot "You obviously ignored the bit when i killed you off with the 458 engine Performance."
No. While that WAS the only factual thing you said all this time, I never said the Ferrari is a POS. Again, unlike you, I can appreciate excellent cars regardless of where they're from, and the 458 happens to be among my fave Ferraris. By contrast, you claimed the Vette was lacking in quality (again wanting in facts) and I proved otherwise. You were in over your head from the start.
FraAngelico729 1 month ago
@namybot "I personally like the Corvette,"
No you don't. That's obvious. And you don't have to. But spewing resentment and ignorance just makes you look like a child.
"I just like other cars much more. Is anything wrong with that? NO"
Absolutely not. But don't be surprised when someone better educated calls you out on your trail of bullshit.
FraAngelico729 1 month ago
@namybot "Journalist will judge a car on every single aspect and it not just about how fast a car can go especially when the cars are sold to the public, everything has to be right."
Every review I've read in English, German, French, and Spanish (necessity for living and working in Europe for 6 years) on the Vette was overwhelmingly positive in terms of performance, engineering, and refinement. The ONLY thing they could nitpick was the plastic bits. Beyond that...simply high praise.
FraAngelico729 1 month ago
@namybot "American arrogance is the best in the world. Seem as its the only thing you lot will be best at, cherish it."
NOW we come to it! You just revealed what I've known all along. It's simply KILLING you inside to see an American made car competing with the world in performance, style, engineering, and quality. What makes it even worse is that people outside the US are taking the Vette seriously. All I can say is you're in for a very difficult time if you maintain this resentment.
FraAngelico729 1 month ago
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@FraAngelico729 "NOW we come to it! You just revealed what I've known all along. It's simply KILLING you inside to see an American made car competing with the world in performance, style, engineering, and quality"
As much performance as a Bugatti.
As much style as a Ferrari
As much engineering as a Porsche
As much quality as a Rolls Royce.
Yeah, dream on mate.
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namybot 1 month ago
@namybot "As much performance as a Bugatti. As much style as a Ferrari. As much engineering as a Porsche. As much quality as a Rolls Royce."
Wow. So basically you're saying the Vette is competitive with four of the most prestigious marques in the world. Nice to see you're finally coming around! LMAO! XD
FraAngelico729 1 month ago
@FraAngelico729 Hahaha, What i was saying is that other companies do make better cars than Chevy. You knew exactly what i was saying, I should of put a ? on the end of those sentences.
Yes, the Corvette is a fast and cheep answer but you seriously don't believe it's the best car in the world?
Other manufactures are making much better cars but you got to pay for that perfection. I fully understand the Corvette but at the moment other manufactures are engineering far higher quality cars.
namybot 1 month ago
@namybot Look at it this way, a Lotus is faster than a Rolls Royce so does that make the Lotus better?
Can a Corvette complete a rally stage as fast as a Subaru WRX or an Mitsubishi Evo? NO.
Can a Corvette hit top speed matching Koenigsegg, Bugatti, SSC? NO
Can a Corvette get as much MPG as a Kia Rio or a VW Lupo? NO
Can a Corvette carry as much style as a Ferrari or a Lamborghini? NO
Can a Corvette move with as much class as a Rolls Royce or maybach? NO
Every car has its perks
namybot 1 month ago
@namybot Dude, you lost. Let it go. :D
FraAngelico729 1 month ago
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@FraAngelico729 "Dude, you lost. Let it go"
So i guess you got nothing intelligent to say or anything that would prove my point to nothing. I have proven my point correct. I'm not going to say "you lost" because I'm more mature than that.
So what's up, have I made a point you can't argue with because you know I'm right. You full well know that cars will never be equal with any other at any point. My point was from the start was... Corvette is a good car but there's better.
LIVE WITH IT.
namybot 1 month ago
@namybot "I have proven my point correct."
What point would that be, exactly? Please tell me because you haven't made any sense at all.
"I'm not going to say 'you lost' because I'm more mature than that."
You can say that with a straight face after that petulant little tantrum and the name-calling? I guess ignorance really IS bliss!
FraAngelico729 1 month ago 2
@namybot "So what's up, have I made a point you can't argue with because you know I'm right."
I'm still at a loss. What point?
"You full well know that cars will never be equal with any other at any point. My point was from the start was... Corvette is a good car but there's better."
You went off on some logic-starved tangent comparing the Vette to a Rolls Royce. I never made that comparison- you did. That's where this silly little flame way went from boring to outright strange.
FraAngelico729 1 month ago 2
@namybot OK, let me try to help you understand where you went wrong. (Can't believe I'm doing this.)
*SIGH* OK. No, the Vette won't compete with Rolls Royce in luxury (a claim I never made to begin with). Neither will Ferrari, Porsche, or GT-R. But they'll all run CIRCLES around it in performance, an area in which the Vette is HIGHLY competitive. Corvette is also as reliable as any Benz, Porsche, or BMW (Remember that catastrophic engine failure debacle back in 2009? BMW owners do!)
FraAngelico729 1 month ago 2
@namybot You also compared the Vette to a Bugatti Veyron. Strange. $100,000 vs. $1,000,000, but OK. The Veyron hits 60 in the 2's, 1/4 in the 10's (barely 1 second faster than Z06/ZR1), and tops out past 260mph. Impressive, but not surprising. I could follow this comparo by saying it takes 16 cylinders, 4 turbos, 1,000hp, and $1mil to beat the Vette. It's also important to note that the Veyron's been roundly criticized for its harsh ride. Not what you'd reasonably expect for $1million.
FraAngelico729 1 month ago 2
@namybot So really, I don't have to do anything to demonstrate how deficient your arguments have been. You've been doing that yourself this whole time. All I've been doing is addressing your nonsense with facts. I've just been having a little fun. Which I guess is kinda mean on my part, considering you're out of your league with me. But, hey- it's just YouTube.
FraAngelico729 1 month ago 2
@namybot "Can a Corvette complete a rally stage as fast as a Subaru WRX or an Mitsubishi Evo? NO."
Nice try. The Vette's not a rally car, but her lap times beat both around numerous road courses. Plus, the WRX feels like a tin can.
"Can a Corvette hit top speed matching Koenigsegg, Bugatti, SSC? NO"
Her handling matches or beats all three. There's more to performance than top speed. They've also been criticized for their harsh rides. Not something heard about the Vette since 1997.
FraAngelico729 1 month ago
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@namybot "Can a Corvette get as much MPG as a Kia Rio or a VW Lupo? NO"
WTF??? That's just lame! (LMAO) Neither do Ferraris or GT-Rs. A better question is how 7.0 liter V8 gets a ULEV rating.
"Can a Corvette carry as much style as a Ferrari or a Lamborghini? NO"
Style is subjective. Depends on who you ask. For instance, I personally find that while there's no arguing their performance, the Veryon and R35 are ugly as ass (R34 and 370Z are GORGEOUS). So arguing style is pointless.
FraAngelico729 1 month ago
@namybot "Yes, the Corvette is a fast and cheep answer but you seriously don't believe it's the best car in the world?"
No I don't. If that's your understanding, I'd recommend remedial reading comprehension. All I've been saying is that she's competitive. I also countered your outright dismissal with facts. Nor did I attempt to tear down any other cars to make the Vette look good. I don't need to. That's why she's such a fantastic car. Something you can't seem to accept.
FraAngelico729 1 month ago 2