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  • @Kiwicarlos74 .. let me ask u what car u own ? 

  • @Kiwicarlos74 .. n u did those lap times?

  • Viper has a lot of torque...and top end you need torque to push through the air...

  • @Kiwicarlos74 damn you are dumber than i thought..........dont get all angry and read one comment up there i said its a 10 cyl.....so go back to school or maybe ask back your school fees boy....it will never feel the same way than driving in the supra....idiot....so go cry to ur mommy 8.....10...cyl suck....dumbass.....and maybe you should take time and look up some track supra's drifting around a track faster than your stupid viper!...

  • @lennisupra @Kiwicarlos74 friends supra shitting on 1000+ hp anything he goes up against. and yes its the green supra. Please be quiet. You sound like a fucking retard and you dont make any sense either.

    Check out BMXER8699 for his TX2k11 Video

  • @Kiwicarlos74 ....idiot.....supra's are more fun and 6cyl against 8....some way of bragging...shitty vipers and corvettes are for wankers!!!!!

  • and worst thing.....thats a 10cyl viper against a 6cyl....supra. damn that viper suck....

  • @Kiwicarlos74 hmmm they do not really just there is nothing to compare. 6-7 l engine with max 3l engine hmm I would like t see 1000whp supra and 1000whp viper. I would say this would be a competition not like this. but this is just my opinion.

  • The Supra would easily be a winner with some light tuning. JDM is the best, aussies the 2nd best, period.

  • fukin faggets complaining about where people race. u just mad cos u guys aint got a racing car. HA HAH AAAAAAAAAAA

  • GOOOOOOOO VIPER!!

  • The viper wins HAHA!!!!

  • Supra is stock. Period

  • Thats a GTS Viper.

  • Dodge viper stock pooped on that supra and sent that bitch back to slanty eye land

  • @Vegeta681 haha. ur funnny kid.... vipers are only like 10,000 more expensive. a turbo or twin turbo supra wud beat that dodge any day! :) nice try kid. why dont you try going to watch one of the SUPRA videos on youtube where the supra always wins. then come back and talk to me. bai faggot.

  • HA HA HA the supra got smoked from start to finish no excuses about it. Go home supra fansboys and take it out on mommy and daddy.

  • you better turn the boost up!

  • mmmMMmmm....viper says no :)

  • please not in the middle of the day boys, theres families out there

    supra is falls behind on the lag

  • cars are great arent they? why is everyone arguing so much like little 8 year old girls? love cars, love all cars. all you need is love (epic beatles song)

  • @mtechfan Look at his name...that explains a lot. He obviously wears a bandanna and thinks he's Tupac reanimated or something.

  • @mtechfan pussy!

  • Thats what yall get. If you dont put like another couple thousand dollars in that bowl of rice, you wont stand a chance against that american muscle. i swear japan is the only country that refuses to produce high powered vehicles.

  • failed supra driver

  • @mtechfan Take your bitch churchy loving ass the fuck off this video?

  • @mtechfan I know, it's the reason cops are coming down on hot rods... geez these kids these days...

  • and right after this was filmed the viper had to refuel on the highway... fail

  • @daddyjunkie Vipers get 22mpg on the highway, atleast mine does. Plus, when you spend the money to get a Viper, you aren't thinking about gas prices.

  • @NetherToke

    i'd just get a veyron if money wasn't an object..

  • @daddyjunkie Nice choice, I'd get the ACR(I bought the old GTS)

    Nurburgring times-Viper=7:22.1 Veyron=7:40

  • @NetherToke Right? LoL when I bought my Cobra, I wasn't like "So how's the MPG on this baby?" LOL but it does get 26mpg on the freeway. ... Even if your viper would smoke me, in 200 miles, i'd still be rolling hehehehehe

  • @daddyjunkie That's all vipers are for, showing off at fuel stations. LOL

  • why everyone always hatin on videos while racing in traffic. if they crash...say something. if not then shut the fuck up

  • @olsoncor

    You're a fucking dumbass.

  • @olsoncor because they are quick and high profile. Everyone wants the bragging rights of "I beat a Viper in my pos" LOL

  • damn got whored lol

  • @JoaquinSerrapio think the word your looking for is drugggg... LOL

  • GOOD RACE IN TRAFFIC BUT CAREFUL

  • Racing in traffic is GAY ..!!!

  • ovb the viper wonthis time becoz the dude in the supra had to film it the sipra would kill the viper in a real race

  • @TrUeBlUe713 The passenger of the supra was filming, not the driver. Duh. And your point was ?

  • awesome...but it took dem awhile to realize that the powerfull the drif...the more gas you gotta give...it's a good thing they weren't practicing this on mountain ranges where 1 side is the 5 mile steep cliff...lol...

  • there is no comparison..a viper fucks a supra in the ass..supras are garbage

  • @Lwojcik77 your fucking high dude its all in the owner and his budget you wanna talk some shit like that try this one on type in Toyota Supra vs Lamborghini LP640 (641PS) and then just realize how dumb you are.

  • I got to go for a rocket ride in a srt10 viper the other day. hit 170 before we had to slow down. Those cars are unreal. I didnt know what fast was until Id been in that

  • I don't see anything that looks like ACR on that viper...I see GTS badging. Am I missing something?

  • vipers are garbage

  • @Ariannyishot Wow, and if they beat a Supra, what's that make the Supra..?.Super Supra Garbage ? lol

  • @gblueslover2 ovb the viper beat the supra this time bcoz the dude in the supra had to film it ....

  • V8 8.3L vs  V6 3.0L !!

  • @h3h3ha3 vipers dont have v8s?

  • @Sk8FalIen

    i'm sorry i means V10

  • @Sk8FalIen yes they do, some do the newer ones have v10

  • @h3h3ha3

    dude...V10 (N/A) vs I6 (forced induction)

  • Close your Windows next time, its creating a parachute effect. Im preety sure you can spank that viper in the azz.

  • wow dude u cant drive... spank that fuckin viper

  • that viper from from the factory is only 450 horse. dont race a car designed for the track from a roll they are geard for it.

  • At highway speeds all the torque the viper has at just over idle is hard to overcome in the higher gears. Probably around 600lbs at the wheels guessing flat from 2000rpm.

  • mate the RB motors are the best japanese engines :D RB20DET, RB25DET, RB26DETT, :D

  • CLOSE THE FUCKIN WINDOOOOOOOOOW

  • that viper has a 8L v10 and barely even won. 2jzs will always be known as the best japanese engine.

  • @BJs4MePlz its also n/a. 18psi is typical for a bpu supra. lets run an n/a supra vs an n/a viper. more boost=more fuel=more power...that supra is probably dumping just as much fuel as the viper

  • dont get me wrong the supra is like one of the greatest cars ever but the genesis 2.0t is something new and i wouldnt mind owning one specially when more parts start coming out for it

  • im thinkin bout gettin a supra because its a nice car but i dont want everybody tryna race me in it..that would get annoying as hell. thats the main thing thats keepin me from deciding on my next car its between the hyundai genesis and the supra.

  • @djay102687 Check out insurance on the supra then think again. More fun to watch than pay for LOL. I used to have a previous generation 1jz supra, and even that was nuts back in the day.

  • morons racing in traffic... stupid and when you kill someone... then what? Oh we was just having fun? do that at night or back road somewhere

  • @neosin06 exactly! this is why street racing is viewed as dangerous. morons like this. give everyone with a sports car bad names

  • @neosin06 R.E.S.P.E.C.T

  • @neosin06

    there was barely any traffic at all on that road, perfect to do some roll on pulls! at night is becomes more dangerous, plus the camera cant see shit

  • @neosin06 dude STFU and live a life...im sure we have eyes and can dodge traffic...and they were in the fast lane and if ud LOOK no one was in the fast lane

  • @neosin06 at least they werent weaving in and out of traffic, and were racing in space

  • @neosin06 Nigga if you scared go to church.

  • @TupacX2Pak Listen here NIGGA Nothing in here is rollin on 26's you 's in da wong video post G LMAO! Go pull up some donk videos or something aight :)

  • @neosin06 at night? back road? and thats even more stupid. take it to the track morons.

  • @neosin06 Don't come to racing videos and start hating if they want to race thats fine its their thing don't be mad cause its not you're thing.

  • it's funny how people see a supra beating a vette or a viper or even a ferarri and they think supra's are the fastest cars on the planet, forgetting the fact that they were modded to hell. guess this supra didn't have the amount of boost needed to take the V10. Both are awesome cars by the way.

  • supra v6 and viper v10 i think the supra did ok

  • @natelarose

    yea true viper got alot bigger engine ;s

  • @natelarose Supra V6 OMFG ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL Its INLINE 6

  • @kregzdeM3 still a 3.0 duh

  • @natelarose What if it has a stroker DUH

  • @kregzdeM3 haha nope it says BPU if it has a stroker it would say

  • and that viper GTS has a 8.0L :D

  • @kregzdeM3 Wow that was the weirdest comment ever, 13 year old noob.

  • nasty

  • I wonder what would happen if he tried racing the newer Viper ACR's.

  • supras a bad mother fucker. i wouldnt even mess with one on the streets

  • gg 2jz :D

  • first race i have seen where the supra lost. It killed a cobra, lamborgini, porshe hell everything. I guess the viper is pretty bad ass too. Either that or the traffic fucked up the driving

  • @chadheroman

    Either that or every video you've seen where the Supra won it was modded to Hell?

  • @Tboninator thats a good point. Most vids I've seen with supras, the supra was modded like crazy. Often times going up against a much lighter modified car or stock.. I guess that takes away the rep for the supra as a great "stock" performer and builds it up more as a great tuner car.

  • @olioli917

    Don't get me wrong, there are some wicked Supras out there, but to be perfectly honest, stock, they're not all that great- just below that of a stock Camaro SS/Trans Am WS6.

  • @Tboninator they have 320 hp stock. It's not that bad :D

  • @djembetrombonist138

    No, not too bad, but that's only the American version of the twin turbo that makes that much power. The Japanese TT made less than that, and even then that 320 horsepower was after the turbo spools up, so... I would much rather have an N/A V8 Camaro that makes that much horsepower than a TT I6 Supra. :S

  • @Tboninator I didnt know that the american version is more powerful, but it sure is a kickass car. Anyway, I'm getting a hard-on everytime I think about a supra or a camaro. I would be the happiest man in the world if I could ever put my hands on one of these... (sigh)...

  • @Tboninator u are clearly on the money mate it would have no chance otherwise

  • You can easily find blocks for d16 motors in the junkyard in good shape for dirt cheap prices. your not going to do that with a b16 motor etc. Keep on trying to prove d16 motors suck dude. your not going to get anywhere let alone win the argument. Especially if your telling me 700whp without race gas in a full interior street car with a d16 isn't impressive... I find it funny motors made completely for saving gas can hold their own.

  • You keep talking costs this much needs this much yet it doesn't need a jack load of anything. If you can get a 12 second car for the price of a b16 swap and run 11s or faster with a streetable car for 5 grand or less then it must be cost affective...

  • so if you want a non ticking time bomb boosted mini me if you have a d15b if you have a d16 or a z6 good for you that is the worst v-tech of them all moral is dohc is the way to go and the best engine to boost in hondas is the b16 because of its high flowing head but you boys need to grow up and get it to bigger cars like a supra yeah oh and its hard to kill a honda engine they are tough

  • Please tell me how the z6 motor is the worst when it is one of the most used d16 motors? Your talking out of your ass dude. I love supras but I'm not talking about supras atm. You don't need to go dohc to make power b16 motors are hella overrated and overpriced if your going b get yourself a b18. ls-vtec setup or not better then a damn b16.

  • it didnt make 700 on pump gas the spark plugs started looking shitty so they changed the octane

  • I never said it was running on only pump gas i said it was sing without race gas which was true it was a combination with meth inject or something along the lines of it with higher octane gas but it wasn't race gas.

  • stop making vipers?????why,...that was stupid.

  • Because people don't like to get embarrassed when a 1.6 liter 4 cylinder walks their shit with 5 grand or less invested..

  • @pier456 1.6,?5 grand? thinks he can beat a viper? Must be Honda. FAIL

  • Yea seeing as it is a honda that means it will be

    1. reliable.

    2. still get good on gas.

    3. cheap

    But hey seeing as someone doubts it you can go and look up vitara d16 builds in google and have a nice day k?

  • Hey you should check out bisimotors turbo d16 making 700whp without race gas in a streetable car.

  • @pier456 I might watch it, thoug hhonestly it proves about as much as someone taking a Precis and making 700 whp out of it.

  • @HondaKillerG That is a lame ass excuse dude. You just can't stand the fact its making that kind of power. That is a 1.6 liter motor making that kind of power.

  • @pier456 Actually not only that in a car that has full interior and streetable.

  • @pier456 Dude, if you took the time to engineer a motor to spin at 9000 rpm, you too could make a bunch of horsepower out of a small motor. In fact, if you took a larger motor and spun it at the same speed, you could make even more power, and probably have some torque so you can drive on the street and carry some groceries, and god forbid a passenger and still be able to take off under 4000 rpm.

  • @pier456 Seeing as it's a modified Honda that means it will be

    1. Unreliable

    2. Get shitty gas mileage

    3. cheap at first, but increasingly expensive as you go

    4. The instant "Fast and Furious" knock-off look at millions of kids sport today.

    I know about D-series builds by the way. Unless you're dropping some serious cash into it, it's limited to about 220 hp. Even then you're walking a fine line.

  • to sum up 1-3 those cars wouldn't be registered, insured and daily driven then... And what's with the fast and furious thing? Seriously quit trying to be funny. yea stock internal d16 motors will usually hold 200-220whp. lil internal work and a nice tune your looking at any where from 300-400whp or more.

  • @pier456 Agreed....And who said I was being funny?

    Not whp, bhp. Trust me, I've seen them snap. Not pretty, though hilarious especially when the driver has that honda attitude.

  • @HondaKillerG Then you obviously don't know what potential d16 motors have the z6 and y8 motors can handle 200-220whp with the right tune. Their is a bone stock turbo d16z6 that was making close to 400whp. Which you can look up on youtube.

  • @pier456 Ahh, you hit a key point there, with the right tune. screw it up by just a little, and BOOM, civic fireworks.

    There's a reason so many honda fanboys such as yourself swap out those motors for B or H series motors.

  • People move ot b or h motors etc. because they don't think the d series motors have potential..

  • @pier456 Not saying they don't, but they usually aren't cost effective for the amount of power they produce.

  • not cost affective? For the price of a b16 swap you can run 13s or 12s in a turbo d16. People spent 5 grand or less and run 11s or faster insured etc.

  • @pier456 They're probably driving ticking time bombs too. Ds don't usually take to extra air all that well. Like I said; sooner or later, you'll have civic fireworks. I think I'll stick to something that can actually take some extra power with the engine it already has, and start with a nice amount of torque.

  • @HondaKillerG d series motors are the original motor for civics lol. You are seriously trying to hardest to make yourself seem right. If their ticking time bombs they wouldn't be daily driven...

  • @pier456 *sigh* Look fanboy, 1. That's obvious they're the stock engines for civics; if they came with a B-series like the Integra, or an H series like the Prelude, you wouldn't need to swap out the engine. 2. They're daily driven because they're ECONOMIC engines. They run just fine(in fact, very well) when left alone. It's when you start F-ing with them that it gets dangerous.

    By the way, I don't need to try; it's obvious I'm right. But since you have the honda attitude, please continue :)

  • Your a complete moron. I'm not a fanboy I'm just calling out on your bull shit. You don't need to swap your motor to go fast dude. And you obviously have a ego larger then your brain. Hey go tell that to the 400+whp daily driven turbo d16 owners on stock sleeves with a little internal work. Go tell that to bisimoto's 700whp d16 without race gas in a fully streetable car. PLEASE give me some proof that d16 motors can't handle power dude.

  • HTe main things you need to ugprade are teh connection rods get some vitara pistons with some arp head studs a nice tune and a decent turbo you will be seeing 400whp if not more running around mid low 20s psi of boost. Not even full built. You need to actually look up some vitara builds etc. dude before you open your mouth like a dumbass prick.

  • @pier456 Well it sure didn't take long for you to explode. Why would I waste my time telling all 4 owners of those engines that? They probably already know. They probably did it because other people don't do it. And if the D series has so much potential and is so easy to do why do so many people swap out the engines? Because it isn't. Just because there are exceptions to the rule doesn't make the rule invalid.

    By the way, if you want to look in the mirror, look up My New Honda on this site.

  • People swap out motors because they automatically assume d16s can't make power. Which they can and have proven over and over again. You need to look up some videos before you come here talking bull shit. If you swap a d16 for a b16 that would be a waste of money. For the cost of the swap you could of gone 13-12s in the 1/4 mile with a turbo D. Just because you think d16s have no potential doesn't mean its true.

  • Before you even comment again GIVE ME SOME PROOF d16's suck, and if you ignore it your only proving my point that your wrong.

  • Like I said, even other honda fanboys would rather take another engine and work on it than use that one.

    And why do I need to prove anything to you? I don't know you, so I don't need to do anything for your benefit. I don't even need to type this; I'm doing it because I want to. You want proof, take a look at the people that drive civics. Chances are you'll find the majority of civics with d's an a riced out car.

  • So what you basically said was, "I can't find proof to support my reasoning"

  • @pier456 It doesn't matter even if I took pics of every d series I've seen blown up, flew over to your house, and showed them to you. Arguing with a honda fanboy is like arguing with a crazy chick; they always think their right.

  • I'm not a honda fanboy I'm just calling you out. Your the one thinking your right even though your not. Sounds like someones being a hypocrite.

  • @pier456 People wouldn't automatically assume something like that if there wasn't any merit to it. Think about it, would you swap out your engine for another one if you could reliably make the same power? Chances are you wouldn't. The fact is that even other honda fanboys know they'll have it easier by just getting another engine. You can make more power out of any engine; the difference is at what cost does it come.

  • their are d16 builds with 5 grand or less running 10-11s in the 1/4 mile and your talking about costs? LOL

  • @pier456 Given that turbo charging usually costs about 5 grand for a reliable tune and that you have to replace internal parts in D series engines, I'd take a wild guess and say they were one-shot engines.

  • Their not one shot motors. You don't need a fully built d16 motor really the only parts upgraded are the rods, pistons with some arp head studs nice tune and decent turbo. Even on stock sleeves d16 made over 500whp on stock sleeves dude. 5 grand for a turbo? Dude seriously what are you looking at?

  • @pier456 LOL It's one thing if you needed to do that to add 20 psi, it's another thing when you need it to go past what, 5?

    Notice how that estimated whp number keeps going up? Yeah, that's that wishful honda thinking....

    I'm looking at the turbo(a new one), piping, intercooler, oil rerouting, upgraded fuel injectors, fuel pump, possibly a fuel rail, low compression pistons if your engine has an already high compression, new or flashed ecu, dyno time, etc. I know I'm forgetting something here

  • @HondaKillerG Just because your buying the most expensive parts etc. doesn't mean its the best..

  • @pier456 *sighs* Or you can grab a VG30, 13B, EJ20-22-25, BP-T, 4G63, and a couple of other engines I can't recall and run 20 psi with just a tune and proper support systems(and perhaps a head gasket).

    The point I'm trying to make is that while you can make that amount of power with a D series, it generally takes a lot more time, energy, and money to make it practical to the average builder when you compare it to other engines. If anything, they should be considered a special build.

  • You seriously need to do some research, quit going off subject naming other motors were talking about hondas. Everything you said can and has been proven wrong over and over again...

  • @pier456 Dude, I've researched just about every honda engine you can name, plus I have experience with guys that build honda engines(B and D series) and race them. I've beaten over 25 different honda civics and accords(where my name comes from by the way), with more than a couple sporting built up d series engines(granted they weren't turbocharged).

    And what exactly what have I said that's been proven wrong? You can't build up other engines better than D's? They don't switch out engines?

  • No don't go around assuming people swap motors because d16s suck When they have prove over and over again.

  • @pier456 You keep saying it's been proven over and over again. What exactly has been proven, that D series can make over 400 whp with the necessary modifications? Woop-de-doo, there are other engines that can do the same(which I'm sure you don't want to bring up ;) ).

  • @HondaKillerG LOl your acting like d16 motors suck yet with a little internal work can hold plenty of power to keep a smile on your face.... Once again I'm not talking about other motors I'm talking about honda motors, d16 motors mainly.

  • @pier456 Seriously, with the popularity of civics, do you really think that if it was an almighty and awe-inspiring engine as you say it is that so many people would go through all the trouble of putting another engine in their car? No? Didn't think so. See, I knew you could be reasoned with :D

    Honestly, this is another reason I don't like civics: their drivers just won't stfu about them. If I didn't also hang around people that build other cars up, I've gone on a rampage already :D LOL JK

  • @HondaKillerG I never said it was almighty I'm saying it doesn't suck and can hold its own. Go say that to bisimoto's all motor d16 and f22 cars.. People swap motors because they automatically assume d16 motors suck. if your going for a street turbo civic. You really don't need to have a jack load of power. And when your motor blows up which is gonna cost more? rebuilding a d16 motor or rebuilding a b16 motor?

  • @pier456 bisimoto's? I'll do that when I finish working on my own projects; Then we'll have fun :D

    I agree, you don't need that much power especially if you're doing much of your driving on the street.

    And you're probably right, a d16 would probably be easier to replace. The problem is that not only do you have to open the engine up and replace stuff to give it some good power, but if you have to get another engine, you'll have to do it again. Me, I like to work with what it already has.

  • @HondaKillerG You have to do that with every engine your gonna be working on. It doesn't take much internal work for a d16 motor either. Their are videos of stock internal reliable turbo d's running 13s in the 1/4 mile

  • @pier456 Not really. A while back I listed a bunch of engines that you didn't have to do much work on to get a lot of power out of them.

    By the way, how much do the cars usually weigh in at with turbo Ds?

  • @HondaKillerG Idk how much but the d16 motors are the lightest motors i think for hondas. People think d16s are crap and swap in b16s and think they awesome getting high 14s in the 14 mile with a b16 hatch, Their is a video of a guy with a d16z6 or y8 with i/h/e running a 14.7 1/4 mile... A basic bolt on d16 motor got 14s without a swap. SO basically oen guy spend over a grand for a b16 swap o run 14sa while another guy just added some bolt on parts and got 14s.

  • @pier456 Not really. A while back I listed a bunch of engines that you didn't have to do much work on to get a lot of power out of them.

    By the way, how much do the cars usually weigh in at with turbo Ds?

  • call the acura nsx that car can beat this viper..viper is nothing for acura..they should be stop making vipers..

  • You have to be kidding.

  • they are

  • supra is best

  • 1. NOT an ACR(it says so on the side of the Viper for christ's sake)

    2. He pulled away like that even with shifting that slow? That's a fast car...

  • my supra pulled 7.8 on the drag strip... im sure my supra could kick the shit out of any vipers

  • @howdidhedothat yeah sure it did kid! n i have a 5s drag car

  • @howdidhedothat Solid rocket booster?

  • @HondaKillerG fuck yeah buddy i also managed to supercharge my twin turbo and two tanks of nos

  • This street was way too crowded to be driving this fast. They should have taken this shit to the track.

  • walladam1, your comment probably won't be popular here, but your right. There is a lot of street racing going on in dangerous places...I am an older guy who loves fast cars, but we really need to think about getting better access to race tracks for cars like this...too many "civilians" are getting caught up in street racing crashes and killed....and if you drive into a family in a minivan doing this shit it's a manslaughter charge....plus you gotta' live with it for the rest of your life...

  • did anyone die NO, so chill! yeah these cars go fast, they stop fast too! because they r performance vehicles ! chill out!

  • Waxed :p

  • Youtube bench racing at it's finest...

    This vid is from around 02 or 03, yes it's THAT old...

  • Just to put it out there thats not even a ACR. But just imagine if it was. lol

  • supra isnt even modded only reason watch the vids with real supras.smoke anything u throw at it .lol superking...rlly u throw 10 grand in both n vipers still gonna win......wronggg

  • No your wrong. Most vipers you see on videos like this aren't modded cause they don't need to be. Plus Vipers can take a turn faster than any production car out there. Not to mention they're just plain fast period. They run with the best cars out there yet they're only under $100,000.

    Look up some specs and really know something before you post arrogant bullshit on youtube. Thanks.

  • coming from someone who doesn't realize their are 5 faster cars on the nurburgring that are road legal...

  • @SantaLucia518

    Real supras? haha u should watch some vids of real vipers ;)

  • true dat, no matter how much i admire the supras, there is no chance that some one can compete vs a V8 xD

  • @Roadzery viper has a v10 doesnt it

  • so many ppl buy supras and put mad money into them makin them faster...why not just save ur money and buy a viper? :)

  • Bcuz they dont want to attract any pussy? im talking about both women and supras :p

  • I can't hear over all the noise in the house but it sounds like the Supra isn't turboed.

  • Stock Viper will beat a stock Supra all day long. You put $10K into the Viper and