@kyguy6225 shut that shit up, you ignorant for even sayin that stupid shit, you cant make people change if they dont want to.... fuckin white devil!!!
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British/German/French/Dutch/Spanish/Portugese colonization robbed the nation of African & its people of their natural resources, their antiquity, & prime real estate. Their ideology of "landed gentry" was at the root of taking over Australia, New Zealand & the Americas--for they felt that the indigenous were not worthy of owning land. Kind of like walking into Buckingham Palace, & putting the Queen out because she is not worthy to own land, and claiming her home as my own. LOL--THIEVES
Just saying.. I know many "white Africans" who are good people and ashamed of thier ancestors, and i know bad African people too. The past was fucked. But rather than hate "the white devil" we should praise our History for over coming it and forgive the white man while we take back our land and culture. racism is always wrong. Just cos some devil stole my history doesn't mean I should be as evil as them.
Humans are greedy - if not one country it would be the other that occupies, overruns the other. Saying one race is bad and the other good is wrong. What people not have a dark/violent past?
The Arabs were no way as destructive as the Europeans. Through their journey, Arabs for the most part assamilited with the local culture. That's why Arabs from North Africa and Sudan cannot understand an Arab from the Gulf. 'Arab culture' came with the introduction of Islam. West Africans and North Africians ruled and managed themselves.There are some bad history with some Arabs at certin times but it was not as long or destructice as the arrival of the Europeans.
@cbluver22 My friend , you need to do some serious reading on the Arab African slave trade . White Arab Muslims enslaved Africans for a full Thousand years before the Europeans ever got involved . They used their
sick and perverted religion to exploit Black Africans by any and all means for sexual and military purposes.
Check it out if you dare ,or are you afraid to know ?
@kwilly54 hey dude, that's not Islam that is to blame, it's sick political regimes, example, whites and Arabs call us savages because of Robert Mugabe and his regime against his own people and the Genocide in Ruanda, but it's not the race that is to blame but the actual concept of the regime and all the brainwashing that went into it. Yes, our African people, along with the Jews have always had it the worst, but pointing fingers wont help us brother. Peace Love, Respect And Knowledge.
@ZULUboi28 I am assuming that you haven't read about what Muhammed ,the Koran, the Hadiath and Arab Islamic scholars have to say about African Blacks . There seems to a Great Ignorance among Black American Muslims and African Black Muslims as to what "their" religion says about them . It's Truly Amazing how Naive some of our people are about giving their lives and souls to Islam that surports their slavery . You had a God and A Religion before these Arab Muslim Devils came to Africa .
@kwilly54 And by thwe way, not arguing with you at all man, but some of the first Muslims ever were free'd Abasynian, Ethiopean and Sudanese slaves that were enslaved by the Arabs who had not yet heard of Islam. I'm not saying that the Arabs weren't cruel slave traders, but don't blame Allah or Muhammed, blame the sick twisted nature of man, that in many instances had great African kings sell thier own people (obviously not knowing how they would be treated)
Now you see Mugabe, why the country had been much better of as a British colony. You see Mugabe, people like you dont manage to run a country. As you prove again and again. Stupid monkey.
@Tarsan97 It is western powers that kill our elected leaders and replace them with their marionets. See Lumumba and Alllende. You enforce democracy, we embrace it to elect our leaders and you quickly replace them if they really want to serve their people rather than be subject to western materialism. Your people destroy the whole planet and blame it on all other cultures. Genocidal warmongers. Divide et impera.
@ZionHillCalling Africans as a group are largely ignorant people who have remained that way since the emergence of the modern world because they refuse to change their way of life. Almost every country in Africa has failed time and time again to establish government because it "robs them of their culture". WIthout adaptation and acceptance of modern knowledge and culture Africans will continue to fight civil war after civil war until everyone is deceased.
@kyguy6225 Africa has failed time and time again to establish government because it "robs them of their culture".
I mentioned Patrice Lumumba as an example of the direct opposite. Africans are only allowed to establish government as far as western powers allow them to. I am not convinced that decolonization has really freed Afrika from interference of colonial powers and several conflicts and the reaction of former colonizing powers seem to support my claim.
Remember, the people who don't have thier own authentic roots to claim have ONLY one way to feel "ORIGINAL", & that's denying the AUTHENTIC HERITAGE of Africans.
The European war-lords & MERCENARIES who left Europe, due to endless misery to loot & seek shelter in Africa & the Arab NOMADS who left THE DESERTS OF ARABIA, desperatly seeking shelter & resources in Africa, can NOT FACE the obvious reality, AFRICANS are as ORIGINAL & AUTHENTIC as the waters of the NILE RIVER.
@Sibs1990 Where I am isn't necessarily where I'm from. Arabs in Africa are largely descended from local populations. The people living in north africa were far greater in number than the arab armies that ended up ruling and mixing with them. That's why arabs from different countries can't understand each other, local pre-arabic language styles remain in the different forms of modern arabic. Khoisan have been in Southern Africa way way longer than anyone else, including Bantu folks.
@Sibs1990 Uh, you're the one making generalisations, bro. You're not from RSA are you? Check Wikipedia 'Demographics of South Africa.' RSA has 5 ethnicities- Black (Bantu), White, Coloured (Bushmen and Mixed ethnicity), and Indian/Asian. Look up the difference between Khoisan and Bantu. It's like the difference between Arabs and Blacks.
I found this video to be quite one sided and it generalised a lot. "White Africans" are not all racist and the reason that it was thought that natives didn't build such great monuments is that there was no progression or evidence elsewhere from the majority of tribes and regions of their ability or need to build such things. The land that was supposedly taken away from them didn't belong to them but to their chief or king. Treating others as second class is unacceptable but so is reverse racism
@ZULUboi28 true but at the end of the days blacks had it harder...just the being in a slave ship packed like sardines for months is bad enough.....but yea the trail of tears with the indians was pretty sad also
If stories and words are that powerful and meaningful, you don't need to compile them into an anthology (i.e. Bible) to pass them down to future progeny.
Nice work setting the record straight. I hope history will be rewritten fast so we can learn from each others real history.There seems to be so much fraudulent history that it's going to be hard if not impossible.Thanks !
Great video (@africahistoricalpast), but could you stand to at least post both these vids in 360p or higher? Thanks. It'd be much easier to watch in the highest definition available, if that's possible.
@lifes40123 African Americans are no longer slaves and have a voice. You didn't say much yourself. What exactly do you know that was not taught to all of us in schools? Why don't you share your hidden knowledge of African Americans since you know so much about them.
Great Zim whoever built these remarkable buildings it was not ancestors of people now living in the area. San & Hottentots would be better candidates and yet they along with Bantu have no records of building these. It is curious that African verbal traditions (no written language) no wheel to leverage rocks have no tales of who did create them. For my money the reason for the seemingly abrupt end of this civilization the result of annihilation of invading Bantu the conquers.
@MartinIDavies Oh, come now Martin. The Aztecs and Maya also lacked wheels. Are you going to tell me that THEY didn't build their temples? These ruins are no more remarkable than those of the Anasazi (cliff dwellers of the American SW). I've seen both ruins.
What great Zim tells me is whoever built them had command of a LOT of labor, which couldn't have happened under the San. There's enough pottery etc found in the ruins to radio carbon date them.
@ImperialistRunningDo I agree San & Hottentots populations too low. And I think no doubt Africans would have done the hard work of building & mining. What is a puzzle is these buildings are seen all over modern Zim but all connected with mining. Gold extraction, smelting & protection of gold & whoever is running things. We do not see these expensive buildings any place else other than mines. Implies foreign presence under siege and constant threats by natives.
@MartinIDavies you are crazy. I'm from Zim myself, and the Masvingo province in which Great Zimbabwe was built does not have large gold deposits. Unbelievable racist ignorance. No wonder we have taken away "your" farms. South Africa is next.
Yes there is disagreement on who built Great Zimbabwe. Africans had no wheels or written language However the purpose was smelt and protect owners of gold mines. There was lots of gold conservative estimates are 7 to 9 million ounces before 1890 alluvial & hard-rock quartz reefs many ancient mines found in European gold rush of 1894. 1267 pre-European workings known mostly destroyed by recent mining of shallow mines to 80 feet vertical sloping horizontal shafts
@Bigdhara15 get a grip man.. As recently as 2009 the Zimbabwean Government dispatched a team of geologists to Masvingo Province after receiving news of a gold rush in the area
@Bigdhara15 "No wonder we have taken away your farms. South Africa is next"
and starvation will surely follow as sure as god made little green apples. Oh a road well travelled as the currentl insanity of Zim has shown us. Only a fool destroys profitable useful enterprizes that feed and employs people.
@Bigdhara15 Much African trade with Portuguese & Arabs. It is interesting to note the rise & fall of Gt. Zim coincided directly with rise & fall of Arab trading. Recall it was the new found route around the Cape that destroyed Arab-European carrying trade. death kneel for African-Arab trading. finished off in 19th C by British ending slave trade in Southern Africa. This irrevocably altered African trade patterns ending wealth generation & upsetting power balances within African societies
@MartinIDavies HaHa..Lets go by ur theory of outsiders creatng this Civilization..based off of ur reasons..Lets say since there is no record,or any of the other things that lead you 2 believe what u believe,then how come there isn't any record of outsiders from thousandS of years ago settling and building a civilization? and if so,where did they go? oh i know,they came and built a civilization and went back home..well why isn't there any records of this theory in their history,wouldn't it exist?
@str8OuttaNaptown30 "they came and built a civilization and went back home" how insightful you appear. This is exactly what African countries are doing now. Recall Europeans came began to build modern countries and economies by their enterprise and laws etc and have now left (or are leaving). Resulting in Africa reverting back & revealing its natural barbarism. or am I missing something about the "progress" of modern Africa?
@MartinIDavies Barbarism? So I guess those of the Kingdom of Ife was barbaric..or the Mali Empire was barbaric too? yeah thats what Europe is doing,& been doing for years..they're brainwashing the ppl of the world that Africa was no mor than mud hut living people..plus u say that's what they're doing now..this civilization is over thousands of years old..which then,whites werent in S. Africa..plus the architecture doesn't even have a European influence,which it should have if they came & made it
@str8OuttaNaptown30 yes Africa one tale of barbarism after another. Try reading 19 C accounts of European explorers about their observations on African 'culture'. Who built the stone buildings in Zimbabwe? No one really knows. Their purpose appears enabling gold mining as they appear nowhere else gold is not found. they are ancient & 19 C tribes who lived in the area had no oral tales about their built them . strange because African oral history is primarily about bragging about ancestors.
@MartinIDavies Dont let ur racism cloud ur judgment..Everything u said is irrelevant to this video..trying 2 bash the whole continent of Africa..point is,u have no proof or even a solid premise to back ur statement..But 2 address the things u said about Africa,all of those places are products of colonization by Europeans. Europeans is the reason why Africa is in it's state of turmoil..Do u not know the faces behind the crazeof Africa are Europeans?also Ife is modern day Nigeria,a thriving nation
@str8OuttaNaptown30 Ah yes our old familiar smoke screen friend the "you’re a racist" & “it’s all the fault of European colonization" refrain so familiar after50 years...No facts speak for themselves. Declining living standards, ungovernable people, falling life spans, increased infant mortality, inability to feed themselves.. all tangible fruits of African inability to self govern. If the ills of Africa are the results of colonial white & Arab racism why is Asia doing so well?
@MartinIDavies What?? China has never been colonized by Europeans..and SE Asia is just as bad as Africa,if not worst..And this isn't a "oh i blame it on the white man" type of thing..these are facts..Europeans come and take all the natural resources of the country and monopolizes every likeable commidities they have..These are facts buddy,its just that the media doesnt shine the light on it,because it's their allies who's doing it..haven't u ever seen "Blood Diamond"..these things are real!
str8OuttaNaptown30 Malaysia, India, Singapore, S Korea, Hong Kong all reluctant hosts to the Gwailo. Africa full of resources (hence European interest & avarice) made more productive by their enterprise. Consider gold natives & Arabs for centuries just scratching the surface a mere 80 feet down. European know how & enterprise mined to 7,000 feet creating wealth most stayed in SA acting as economic engine of SA. Without contribution to European enterprise this would not have happened
“Europeans take all the natural resources of the country” no Africa is still blessed with abundance resources & yet in 50 odd years since independence we have watched Africans seize white (and Asian) resources & enterprises to what end? what has been achieved? Not much lives of African pheasants has gotten worse. This the responsibility of African leaders economic resources always end up in the hands so those most efficient in their use & it is never poor ignorant pheasants no matter colour
@MartinIDavies I dont think u are aware of the things that goes on in Africa,things that Africans has told me themselves. Do u think that these corrupt government officials are financing themselves and calling these shots by themselves? They are linked with these European Leaders who are hiding behind closed these doors..Not with just Africa,but the middle east and SE Asia too. and in some extent America has a hand in it too...also these things happen in central America..European invasion=chaos
@str8OuttaNaptown30 Enough excuses. Africans decided 50 years ago they would be better off without whites in their countries which of course is racist. I am not in favour of apartheid or one party “president-for-life’ systems be they white or black. The gambles have not worked. It is for peoples of Africa insist that they have honest, effective accountable governments. That is what independence is about. So get on with it & stop making excuses & make the sacrifices made worth while
@MartinIDavies If i popped ur tires & u came late to work and u told yo boss that u was late becuz i popped ur tires,then ur boss says stop makin excuses..well is that an excuse or a fact? My point is that when these things come about,ppl say that they're makin excuses rather then them makin legitimate points..Africans are better off w/o Europeans or any other outsiders who's just tryna get their hands in the cookie jar..Nigeria noticed that,& thats why theyre 1 of the fastest growing countries
@str8OuttaNaptown30 "Africans are better off w/o Europeans " this Political Correctness nonsense. Let’s look at tangible outcomes over the years since independence for SA, Zim, Zam & Kenya.. for the years 1960, 70, 80, 90, 00, 09... life expectancies, infant mortality, personal income, food supplies, rapes, murders, violent crimes. Nature of governments "one party" dictatorships vs multi-party democracies, incidences of "ethnic" or “tribal” mass murders & then evaluate your statement
@MartinIDavies ur making it as if countries that start off with nohin just has overnight success..u put up a 40 year stretch,which is not enough time to have a fully prosperous country..Most successfu countries today have been countries for hundreds &thousands of years..Also they have allies..The countries u listed are babies& Nigeria will be on that level of European countries with in about 20 years,if not more prosperous..and in that time,the rest of Africa will be on Nigeria's current level
@str8OuttaNaptown30 No good trying to hide behind "not enough time has gone by" for these countries to have developed well Asia countries achieved it & just look what was accomplished by British & South African settlers in similar periods of time but when things were much more primative say from 1880 to 1900 a time without internal combustion engines when it took weeks to travel from Cape Town to Joburg by Ox Wagons.
“not enough time gone by” consider the case of Japan in 1870 it to was under enormous external pressure from modernity in the form of “western” culture & yet within a mere 25 years transformed itself to such a degree it was capable of defeating a European Imperial power in 1905 as newly created IJN defeated & humiliated the Russian Imperial fleet. So rapid transformations by non-European societies doable giving the lie that there is something inherently superior to European societies.
@MartinIDavies Japan? yeah it was a country that was already once developed..so they were rebounding,not building..its a difference..I would like to continue this debate,but I have became tired of typing and arguing back and forth about the same things,basically repeating myself..This is going nowhere,I mean u and both know that Africa is in it's building stages..I just felt compelled to correct u on ur remarks,by sayin Africans are Barbarians and blah blah blah..I'm finished
@MartinIDavies Yeah Im finish writing back and forth with u..but Africa isn't finish on becoming one the most prosperous continents in the WOrld...Long Live Africa
@str8OuttaNaptown30 "but Africa isn't finish on becoming one the most prosperous continents in the WOrld..."
" by the way I agree 100% with this sentiments... and it will come about and what a wondrful place it will be... and to echo your words "Long Live Africa..."
@MartinIDavies Actually evidence shows that the ruins of Great Zimbabwe were built by the natives from there and had no outside influence. Also note when excavation began the evidence proved it so much that the British actually banned it and took the time to destroy most of it, so people like you today can walk around thinking that they were nothing but a bunch of barbarians. You must be very grateful for the generations that came before you
@independent1one there is no doubt that africans would have done all the physical work of construction as well as the gold mining. The big question is what culture drove the enterprise. If African in origin then why did the workings and building come to an end.. no body stops profitable enterprise for no reason.
@MartinIDavies studies from excavation of the ruins, artifacts show the African native culture drove that obviously. Nobody really knows, I think the British intervention probably compromised that a lot. Ancient Civilizations and societies have come to end for unknown reasons plenty of times it is not an anomaly. You seriously need to get outside whatever box you have mentally trapped yourself in
@independent1one "whatever box you have mentally trapped yourself in" that is a somewhat revealing comment you have made here. You will notice I speak and addess the issue/subject and not attack the messenger.. facts are orchistrating gold mining on the scale we know went on in Mashonaland required organisational abilities & capabilities beyond anything know in Southern Africa Bantu societies.
@MartinIDavies What facts were recorded then? Not really much and of course in the hands of a society that based it's entire approach towards it on oppressive perverse racism. Actually a few monuments that exist in the world still are entire wonder as to how anyone managed to create them judging from development capacity. So who did? aliens? actually that is what the colonialist told themselves whenever the came across anything that did not fit their ideals of "Primitive Africa
@MartinIDavies pt2 colonialism has ended but thee mentality runs deep.
You behave like am throwing random insults your way, merely making an assessment on your character. you do not have an objective approach towards the continent and it's people. It is based on whatever subjective ideals you have allowed your head to construct. You analyse all information to fit in to your fixed conclusion. Evidence shows it was the culture there that drove it but you the alpha and omega still think otherwise
I am interested in seeing examples of even one “post-independent” sub Saharan African state that has accomplished any one of the following 1) peaceful civilian transition of government in a multi-party state 2) Increases in life spans & reduction in child mortality 3) rise on food production 4) development of industries outside of natural resource extraction. Africa has none despite 50 years of independence contrast with what a few thousand Europeans accomplish in a similar time frame - wake up
@MartinIDavies So apparently you have completely missed my point and and have resorted to babbling went on some completely different tangent. Wake up? Um what point are you getting at exactly that sub-Saharan are simply lacking in inherent capabilities? Okay then dude whatever
@independent1one you wrote "“colonialism has ended” It seems that way & my comments were in reply to that. But let’s not be to hasty and see how China works out in Africa. Underlying my comments are if Africans cannot manage their affairs and make a go of things given all the aid & modern means lashed on them in the last 50 years I would doubt their ability to create and run a global medieval gold mining industry. Just look at Zambia how messed up copper surely this obvious to you?
@independent1one I have not missed any pionts. Just look at Zim. Mugabe & his sycophantic corrupt inept murderous “war veteran” thugs took one of Africa’s most prosperous countries that fed, via white enterprise not only its own people but many post-dependent neighboring states. A mere 4,000 white farmers had were feeding the country. From wealth to poverty in 10 years wow now there’s effective governance for you. Oh yes and on the way he murdered thousands of Matabele.
@independent1one Just one of the problems facing African states. Africans are increasingly uninterested in working land as subsistence farmers as mass migrations to urban centers reveal. Feeding these people with their unrealistic expectations requires large amounts of food, food that only modern agricultural methods can achieve. Once enterprises destroyed (by murder or kicking whites out) you have to import food or stave (Zim) to prevent revolution but with no whites around to blame this time
@MartinIDavies please save the rant for somebody else. I just read the first line then gave up. If all you can do is take my irrelevant statements out of context and respond to that then, really there is no point. You are talking about a different time where people were under different socio economic circumstances. Believe whatever make pleasures your self esteem. It does not matter
independent1one “I first line then gave up” LOL of course you did. I am not really addressing you Your comments a foil for me to articulate thoughts on Africa’s nightmare as it tries to emerge from barbarism into the modern world. I am addressing previous visitors & those to follow. True different times & for those who read first hand accounts by those who entered southern tropical Africa in 19 C we see majority of African’s have not changed so little wonder modern world is out of reach
@MartinIDavies Of course a small region of the second biggest continent of the world factoring out modern transportation paints an entire picture, how objective
@MartinIDavies Did these accounts stretch that far, and besides you are talking about a class of people so racist they were honestly willing to attribute anything about Africa they come across to aliens. You should read those as well quite hilarious. I would love trust biased views but I am actually going to stick with the objective thing.
@MartinIDavies As your comments show, you find so hard to believe that monuments and feats in our own land the are culturally representative of us were even culturally driven by us. So much respect. I grew up in Botswana
@independent1one “I grew up in Botswana” you don’t reveal if you’re a native or a foreigner either way you will be acutely aware of the history of the Bamangwatos (BagammaNgwato) of Bechuanaland & their near annihilation at the hands of the Matabele “Children of the Stars” as they murdered & plunder their way up into Matabele and Mashonaland as they fled before the Boers and British who put a stop to mayhem
@MartinIDavies Botswana from understanding is actaully one of the few countries in southern Africa that has progressed. Partly becuase of the very small population and riches and lack of tribal conflicts.
@MartinIDavies Oh yeah Botswana was a protectorate. We are extremely lucky we have a very peaceful history. Our minerals were discovered after our Independence, and only a year at that phew!. Our country was just considered barren and was convenient gateway from south Africa to Zimbabwe. But we did have a lot of cattle though
@independent1one cattle the currency of Africa. I have just been redaing about the impact of cattle and maize on African societies... did you know Lobengula had 50,000 head of cattle with his royal kraal at Bulawayo. Given how dry Botswana is I would expect raising cattle difficult.. although I seem to recall in the north it is less arid
@MartinIDavies Yeah the north and the south east region. But cattle is a very big thing with us. I am actually ethnically Zimbabwean. My father is shona my mother is ndebele
@independent1one "father is Shona my mother is Ndebele" interesting & I am guessing part of the Zim elite Diaspora waiting for a change in government in order to go back. At 25 you will not remember the 60s but it was a different time (racial & tribal politics aside) affluent & happy country. What many forget (or never knew) was Mashona lived in terror of the Matabele until Rhodesia came about which stopped the killings & looting. Are you familiar with what a Tokalosh is?
@MartinIDavies Not really My family has pretty much assimilated into Botswana. My father was born here and my mom has lived ever since she was a child. But Ideally have plans to end up there get some land and invest in the agriculture there. But I am still not done with my education I am currently trying to write my CFA. Yeah those groups have a violent history with each other. It is undeniable the order Europeans brought to Africa.
@MartinIDavies A part of me just wishes blacks were incorporated into society fairly back then. Africa could have been a different place if actual respectful relations developed between us and the Europeans. But now the damage is done most of it is left with leaders that are either corrupt or dictators, feeding of the ignorance of the people.
Much talk of the racial hatreds embellished after the 1960s. Consider Northern Rhodesia 75,000 Europeans (2/3 of those women & children) so 10,000 Europeans created and ran the economy. African population 3.2 million with most Africans never even seen a white person let alone be exploited by one. True Africans with few kills entered work force at the bottom with mission kids with some command of English mostly hired. I recall Africans lined up for jobs as domestic servants & on the mines.
@independent1one you are welcome you might like to know that us white kids were most concerned about them as well... best to stay on their good side...
@MartinIDavies I can't speak of northern Rhodesia. But In Zimbabwe many people were displaced off the farm land while the Europeans where given favoritism. Children tend to have their humanity intact. A lot of elders white people were known to be nice as well. I really do not think the most white people had this evil intent towards black people. It was a situation that they ended up and just went with it in ignorance of it's effects. People aren't usually privy to issues that are not their own.
@independent1one No doubt African peasants robbed, denied rights including land ownership, however private property ownership was a European notion prior to this land occupied by Africans was at the capricious pleasure of Indunas & King and could be taken away at any time. That said white laws ensured Africans would be 2nd class citizens in their own land & that was wrong. and yet despite grew there emerged a black middleclass & with it demands for legitimate rights as human beings.
@MartinIDavies Yeah some did manage to persevere. Even under the apartheid regime you had some blacks that managed to make millionaires of themselves. I guess If blacks were the minorities that progression would have been a slower more steady uphill movement resulting in a civil rights type movement as in the states. But as ideals spread people wanted their stake fast with greed incorporated they wanted what the Europeans had.
“wanted what Europeans had.” this the hope of Africa it will bring political pressure for rule of law & effective governance. As independence approached in NR a crowd of excited Africans came to our house. A man in a pick-up truck shouting through a bull horn pointing at us talking to the crowd when freedom comes “you shall have this man’s house, car, job, wife” as if our standard of living was a physical thing & not the result of application of my fathers engineering mining skills. scary
And so what frustrates me about Africa is not that Africans are not intelligent, aspirational, enterprising and capable it is their collective inability to pull things together. For example economics is not a zero sum game. The wealth created by competent modern farmer (regardless of skin colour) should be encouraged. A dollar earned by a successful commercial farmer only spent by him once it then bounced around the economy. Zim needs these guys killing and scaring them away is madness
@MartinIDavies Yeah that is true but we do live in a racially inclined world. People have been oppressed and enslaved because of it so it runs very deep. So when you have a situation where ownership and wealth is not reflective tensions develop. I have to admit I do share those Ideals on some level and believe in protectionism. For in society where people relate and associate with their own kind if the elite and upper class are of a specific race, marginalization and discrimination occurs.
and yet we live in a world where the son of a Lou a Kenyan is now president of the USA... and that shows us how far we have come & gives us hope that things are improving.
@MartinIDavies Yeah things are improving glass ceilings are breaking down slowly I personally can't say I am satisfied with slow. An overwhelming number of African Americans still suffer under socio-economic disadvantages and are marginalized while their issues continue to be ignored with in society.
@independent1one I hear that and see that on TV.. and yet having seen how enterprizing Africans are I have little sympathy for the "African Amercan" plight. take education as an example. Africans rush to to.. they almost worship it.. knowing that it is the main hope, tool out of their circumstances and yet here in America education is looked at as joke we hear moan, moan... look at all the immigrants who have arrived in USA in just the last 30 years how they grabbed opportunities.
@MartinIDavies Africans are not tied within these communities so they are not as adversely affected. Had these people been tied into these conditions over that a significant period of time you would see a similar trend. Just the way upper class and middle class African Americans are not really either. But even among them you hear complaints of the discrimination they face. It is no longer crippling for the most part but I am sure it hinders potential.
@independent1one If u read your Bible these are all prophecies being fulfilled.Black People, not all but the descendants of the Hebrew Israelites are under a curse for breaking the covenant made between God & Abraham. Deuteronomy 28: 32, 41,48,64 & Joel 3:3 amongst many other scriptures describes the true descendants of Israelites as being cursed with slavery and bondage even after they were brought out of Egypt. So don't complain bcuz we have come from very far, we are improving. Only true God
@MartinIDavies The thought In Africa should have been slow aggressive economic progression. Development of skills and expertise should have been the focus. I believe the Europeans had a place and had too much to offer to just send them off. They were short sighted and in the end paid the price.
@MartinIDavies But yeah it is how it is I actually had a huge number of white friends when I was younger but I grew up I found my self associating more with people of my own race. They did the same. I guess people have a tendency to relate and identify more with people of their own race.
@MartinIDavies You are not really addressing anything, you are trying to have your moment of intellectual critique and analysis, but it just comes out as intellectual shit. I suggest you head to a white supremacist video there will be a whole bunch of other idiots who would love to hear your crap
@independent1one White supremacist & I do not get on well together. They don’t like my pointing how delusional they are idiots & fools similar to black romantic revisionists especially those who are nice, warm & safe living a comfortable life in UK and USA. As I assume you are
@independent1one stick with the objective thing.” Yes then begin by assessing performance of African states since independence & use tangible “objective” criteria as what constitutes advancement. This includes results that shows effective governance like life expectancy etc. What you do not know about me is the high regard and respect I have for Africans as individuals I have known many during my time living in several Africa countries. How many countries in Africa have you lived in
@independent1one "not actually in the States" and yet your profile says that is were you are Readers can't help but wonder what else about your profile is untrue/inaccurate? as a young person 25 (?) and I assume the waste product of an American education I am not surprised by your fuzzy thinking.
@MartinIDavies My parents relocated to the states when I was 17 so I kind switch between places. I spend more of my time on Botswana now but that the States in where most of my immediate family is.
@independent1one I grew up on mines in Northern Rhodesia (Zambia), South West Africa (Namiba) and Kenya and have travelled through out the reagion including Botswana
Most of my childhood in Africa. Played with African lads in the bush they taught me to trap, hunt & gave me gifts of spears & bows-arrows (small ones about 3’) in return we shared my pellet gun hunting small game. I also attended an exclusive boys boarding school (Nairobi) with African lads we competed in sports & in class. They excelled getting A's in Latin translation via Swahili thru English. So I know Africans to be every bit as intelligent & resilient as any white person
@MartinIDavies But still not capable not capable of any development with out external influence, lol. Yeah i see that. I only discovered these ideals existed when I moved to the states and was dumbfounded when i started using youtube. But my experience growing up and my interactions with white people always revealed otherwise. Funny thing is the most expensive private school in our country which is over 80% white got the worst grades on average of that class. but such is the world we live in.
@independent1one "still not capable of any development without external influence, lol" at the risk of re-igniting flame wars. 1960s African societies not prepared for the independence. This is not a putdown of African intelligence but due of lack of skills. African societies subsistence farmers or laborers 2 generations removed from slavery Mashona a slave tribe of the Matabele. Who was to rule and where was economic means to deliver services of a modern state the answer was no one
@MartinIDavies I was more referring to ancient Africa, but yeah Africa at the time was not ready. But you know it was a continent where the majority were marginalized to subservient labor. In this racially inclined world they were just not willing to stand for and it seemed the people reaping the wealth of their land were not too interested in their development. I think they should have realized this because it was bound to result in an ugly crash and burn. So we ended with status quo
@independent1one Often missing in dialogs of white & black was the level intimate relationships that developed between the two. In our case we had 3 servants houseboy, nanny, garden boy (Africans referred to in the demeaning term 'boy'). That said his income allowed him to acquire a bike, household furniture, free accommodation, modern medicine & money buy cattle enabling him to pay the bride price. He was an affluent man at age 21. When we left for South West Africa they wept
@MartinIDavies Yup I have actually witnessed the relationships myself. I had a friend who's family was crazy close with their house servants. I always thought it was sweet. I noticed relationships between blacks and their servants were usually a bit more condescending. But my mom was different she always made she we developed close relationships with them. she even paid for night schools so our maids could further their education.
@independent1one One dark thunderous night during Mosses came to the house he & his wife lived in a small apartment attached to the garage he was distraught. His young wife all of 15 or 16 was pregnant & had gone into labour turned bad. My parents & Mosses bundled her into the car & drove her to the mine hospital where she gave birth. The Doctor informed us that had she not been rushed to the hospital she & her bay would have died. It was things like this that was the cement that bound us
“colonialism has ended” which incidentally brought the end of internecine tribal warfare and the slavery associated with it, increases in life expectancy, decrease in child mortality. to mention just a few. Replaced in by Single party tribe based “president-for-life” dictator thugs as the wonderful “post-colonial” period reintroduced tribal annihilations, collapse of civil society, decreased life expectancy, rise in infant mortality, inability to feed themselves. The list is endless
2) In a way who can blame them they had short, precarious lives why bother investing for a future you may not benefit from. Better take from others while you can enjoy the booty until you die. As I look at Africa today I see the same sentiments like nationalization of copper mines in Zambia (ANC lusting for SA mines right now), white farm seizures in Zim & Asian expulsions in Uganda. All modern forms of African pillage & subsequent destruction of enterprises the vehicles to the modern world.
1) In late 19th C Southern Africa African (not counting San & Hottentots) societies either pastoral conquered slave tribes like the Mashona or conquering pillage & plundering tribes like Zulu & Matabele. Held together with by ‘traditional’ myths, magic managed by the witch doctor elite war priesthood. Africans it was noted at the time wanted benefits of western societies like Maize (mealies), weapons & medicines but not prepared to adjust behaviors to bring them about.
@str8OuttaNaptown30 True Nigeria resource wealthy. But riding on the economic novocain of oil since independence. Given its resources & population it ought now be a fully developed nation with incomes on a par with successful Asian countries if not on with Europe. It not! Instead we see kleptocracies one after another as dictators & their inept corrupt sycophantic thugs pillage the assets of the country. At least British enterprise & governance brought peace, jobs & infrastructure
@MartinIDavies But to the real subject,how is that Europeans came and created a civilization then up and left..and also created a structure that has no European influence whatsoever?
@str8OuttaNaptown30 I don’t think Europeans responsible for building Gt Zim or any other stone buildings in Southern Africa. Wasn’t until late 19th C Europeans & imported livestock could stay alive in tropical Africa. It took an understanding of causes of diseases and how to avoid or cure them that countries like Rhodesia & Kenya could exist as colonies. Had it not been for these deadly African diseases Europeans would have arrived in large numbers earlier as we did in North America
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@frosthead @1488bunker
You honkies need to research Africa history, preferably Benin Empire, Nubia, Great Zimbabwe and West Africa.
ourworldsatwar 5 days ago
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ourworldsatwar 5 days ago
Jobs for black folk /watch?v=ieQSiQaZOwE
frostedhead 5 days ago
@frostedhead You're a lame-ass paleface. Fuck off, honkey. You don't belong here.
ourworldsatwar 5 days ago
NIggers had a kingdom of beautiful straw huts? That must have been a sight!
frostedhead 5 days ago
@frostedhead dude its 2012, why are still stuck in 1933,
eddizle 5 days ago
I'm from Los Angeles, we still say niggers. Does that answer your question :)
frostedhead 5 days ago
@kyguy6225 shut that shit up, you ignorant for even sayin that stupid shit, you cant make people change if they dont want to.... fuckin white devil!!!
lilbg504 3 weeks ago
@lilbg504 don't worry about dem devils their gettin bread out of history writer now
bigbear197708 1 week ago
watch Ali Mazuri's "Africa: A triple heritage"
kappa6 4 weeks ago in playlist TVShows: BBC's Lost Kingdoms of Africa
i love Ali Mazuri...a real Panafricanist!!!
kappa6 4 weeks ago in playlist TVShows: BBC's Lost Kingdoms of Africa
Why would you give the video a fake name? Im really disappointed.
gasmurrin 1 month ago
Africa is the mother of all mankind.
RICKYRASPER 3 months ago
Why is it that African history is the only part of world history that is not taught in the western world?
Danaetp 3 months ago
@Danaetp
because of little history due to the destruction of most kingdoms.
Dramactica 1 month ago
I think many starts to get a little tired of all the excuses made on behalf of the blacks allt he time.
It is time to perfrorm
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MrFlohi 5 months ago in playlist Lost Kingdoms of Africa: Zimbabwe
British/German/French/Dutch/Spanish/Portugese colonization robbed the nation of African & its people of their natural resources, their antiquity, & prime real estate. Their ideology of "landed gentry" was at the root of taking over Australia, New Zealand & the Americas--for they felt that the indigenous were not worthy of owning land. Kind of like walking into Buckingham Palace, & putting the Queen out because she is not worthy to own land, and claiming her home as my own. LOL--THIEVES
HJKelley47 6 months ago
white people have no land and culture and have to steal the land away from the keepers of the earth and fuck it right up
ace69errrr 7 months ago
Just saying.. I know many "white Africans" who are good people and ashamed of thier ancestors, and i know bad African people too. The past was fucked. But rather than hate "the white devil" we should praise our History for over coming it and forgive the white man while we take back our land and culture. racism is always wrong. Just cos some devil stole my history doesn't mean I should be as evil as them.
ZULUboi28 7 months ago
Humans are greedy - if not one country it would be the other that occupies, overruns the other. Saying one race is bad and the other good is wrong. What people not have a dark/violent past?
floatinginblue 8 months ago
The Arabs were no way as destructive as the Europeans. Through their journey, Arabs for the most part assamilited with the local culture. That's why Arabs from North Africa and Sudan cannot understand an Arab from the Gulf. 'Arab culture' came with the introduction of Islam. West Africans and North Africians ruled and managed themselves.There are some bad history with some Arabs at certin times but it was not as long or destructice as the arrival of the Europeans.
cbluver22 8 months ago
@cbluver22 My friend , you need to do some serious reading on the Arab African slave trade . White Arab Muslims enslaved Africans for a full Thousand years before the Europeans ever got involved . They used their
sick and perverted religion to exploit Black Africans by any and all means for sexual and military purposes.
Check it out if you dare ,or are you afraid to know ?
kwilly54 8 months ago 2
@kwilly54
I already took a coarse on it thank you very much. It seems like it is you that needs to needs to do more research on it. You said,
"They used their sick and perverted religion to exploit Black Africans"
You showed your ignorance very clearly when you said this. Clearly you don't know how to separate Islam from the actions of Arabs.
cbluver22 8 months ago
@cbluver22 Look Fruit Loop , Taking "A" freaking course versus doing serious research is two separate
universes . Well, I guess you don't know the difference . That's your problem . There is no way in Hell that all of
the Arab Muslim Nations can ever be given a " pass" for the most inhuman slave trade that has lasted for the
past 1400 years and counting and including the very current genocide in the Sudan . Their own dirty history
and reigious practices condems them .
kwilly54 8 months ago
@kwilly54
You didn't address any of the points I made. Go ahead and hate Arabs but don't drag Islam into this.
cbluver22 8 months ago
@kwilly54 hey dude, that's not Islam that is to blame, it's sick political regimes, example, whites and Arabs call us savages because of Robert Mugabe and his regime against his own people and the Genocide in Ruanda, but it's not the race that is to blame but the actual concept of the regime and all the brainwashing that went into it. Yes, our African people, along with the Jews have always had it the worst, but pointing fingers wont help us brother. Peace Love, Respect And Knowledge.
ZULUboi28 7 months ago
@ZULUboi28 I am assuming that you haven't read about what Muhammed ,the Koran, the Hadiath and Arab Islamic scholars have to say about African Blacks . There seems to a Great Ignorance among Black American Muslims and African Black Muslims as to what "their" religion says about them . It's Truly Amazing how Naive some of our people are about giving their lives and souls to Islam that surports their slavery . You had a God and A Religion before these Arab Muslim Devils came to Africa .
kwilly54 5 months ago 4
@kwilly54 Preach!
BKinNY 4 months ago in playlist More videos from africahistoricalpast
@kwilly54 Preach!
ShalKekNemRon 4 weeks ago
@kwilly54 And by thwe way, not arguing with you at all man, but some of the first Muslims ever were free'd Abasynian, Ethiopean and Sudanese slaves that were enslaved by the Arabs who had not yet heard of Islam. I'm not saying that the Arabs weren't cruel slave traders, but don't blame Allah or Muhammed, blame the sick twisted nature of man, that in many instances had great African kings sell thier own people (obviously not knowing how they would be treated)
ZULUboi28 7 months ago
@cbluver22 The Arabs haven't stopped enslaving Africans. That's what's really going on in Darfur!
BKinNY 4 months ago
What a video!!!
hackneybeast 9 months ago
Now you see Mugabe, why the country had been much better of as a British colony. You see Mugabe, people like you dont manage to run a country. As you prove again and again. Stupid monkey.
Tarsan97 10 months ago
@Tarsan97 It is western powers that kill our elected leaders and replace them with their marionets. See Lumumba and Alllende. You enforce democracy, we embrace it to elect our leaders and you quickly replace them if they really want to serve their people rather than be subject to western materialism. Your people destroy the whole planet and blame it on all other cultures. Genocidal warmongers. Divide et impera.
ZionHillCalling 3 months ago
@ZionHillCalling Africans as a group are largely ignorant people who have remained that way since the emergence of the modern world because they refuse to change their way of life. Almost every country in Africa has failed time and time again to establish government because it "robs them of their culture". WIthout adaptation and acceptance of modern knowledge and culture Africans will continue to fight civil war after civil war until everyone is deceased.
kyguy6225 3 months ago
@kyguy6225 Africa has failed time and time again to establish government because it "robs them of their culture".
I mentioned Patrice Lumumba as an example of the direct opposite. Africans are only allowed to establish government as far as western powers allow them to. I am not convinced that decolonization has really freed Afrika from interference of colonial powers and several conflicts and the reaction of former colonizing powers seem to support my claim.
ZionHillCalling 3 months ago
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@ZionHillCalling "Africa has failed time and time again to establish government"
Africa is not a country. some countries in Africa are not that bad.
ImGonnaKillYou2nd 3 months ago
@kyguy6225 An unfortunate truth.
Metaphysicist 2 months ago
@downbrownintown
One can NOT expect Bank Robbers to return the money back to the customers of the Bank.
The same applies in the case of European mercenaries looting Africa.
One can NOT expexct the Europeans who came to loot Africa, benefiting Africans.
After all, the mercenaries NEVER invaded Africa to benefit Africans.
BahreNeGash 10 months ago 4
@downbrownintown
Remember, the people who don't have thier own authentic roots to claim have ONLY one way to feel "ORIGINAL", & that's denying the AUTHENTIC HERITAGE of Africans.
The European war-lords & MERCENARIES who left Europe, due to endless misery to loot & seek shelter in Africa & the Arab NOMADS who left THE DESERTS OF ARABIA, desperatly seeking shelter & resources in Africa, can NOT FACE the obvious reality, AFRICANS are as ORIGINAL & AUTHENTIC as the waters of the NILE RIVER.
BahreNeGash 10 months ago 3
@Sibs1990 Where I am isn't necessarily where I'm from. Arabs in Africa are largely descended from local populations. The people living in north africa were far greater in number than the arab armies that ended up ruling and mixing with them. That's why arabs from different countries can't understand each other, local pre-arabic language styles remain in the different forms of modern arabic. Khoisan have been in Southern Africa way way longer than anyone else, including Bantu folks.
stoazen 11 months ago
@Sibs1990 Uh, you're the one making generalisations, bro. You're not from RSA are you? Check Wikipedia 'Demographics of South Africa.' RSA has 5 ethnicities- Black (Bantu), White, Coloured (Bushmen and Mixed ethnicity), and Indian/Asian. Look up the difference between Khoisan and Bantu. It's like the difference between Arabs and Blacks.
stoazen 11 months ago
I found this video to be quite one sided and it generalised a lot. "White Africans" are not all racist and the reason that it was thought that natives didn't build such great monuments is that there was no progression or evidence elsewhere from the majority of tribes and regions of their ability or need to build such things. The land that was supposedly taken away from them didn't belong to them but to their chief or king. Treating others as second class is unacceptable but so is reverse racism
coolbro49 11 months ago
@coolbro49 white africans lol.
90rashad 10 months ago
@coolbro49 white africans lol. You don't even have a right to even leave a comment.
90rashad 10 months ago 11
@90rashad Well that told me. Have a great day
coolbro49 9 months ago
@coolbro49 I'm from Ethiopia I'm a real African
90rashad 9 months ago
@90rashad amazing how i found you again my friend
cobracongo 9 months ago
@cobracongo how is it amazing
90rashad 9 months ago
@coolbro49 The only people who cry foul for their oppressors are Africans. Why?
BKinNY 4 months ago
no other civilization in the world got rob like how black people got rob...this shit is sick
loveyalife2011 1 year ago 26
@loveyalife2011 notice how the PEOPLE who robbed africa are just trivieng now....life could'nt be better for them....
skatering42 9 months ago
@skatering42 Hey brother , those same "people" are still robbing and corupting everthing in sight .
kwilly54 8 months ago
@loveyalife2011 well, besides the Native Americans, who hardly even exist anymore and possibly the Jews
ZULUboi28 7 months ago
@ZULUboi28 true but at the end of the days blacks had it harder...just the being in a slave ship packed like sardines for months is bad enough.....but yea the trail of tears with the indians was pretty sad also
loveyalife2011 7 months ago
@loveyalife2011 So much for being a "strong" people.
1488bunker 2 weeks ago
If stories and words are that powerful and meaningful, you don't need to compile them into an anthology (i.e. Bible) to pass them down to future progeny.
fdfederation 1 year ago
how do they know it's from blacks not bushmen?
stoazen 1 year ago
Nice work setting the record straight. I hope history will be rewritten fast so we can learn from each others real history.There seems to be so much fraudulent history that it's going to be hard if not impossible.Thanks !
Ace4Tree1 1 year ago
Is James Woods the narrater?
jamesaellis 1 year ago
Great video (@africahistoricalpast), but could you stand to at least post both these vids in 360p or higher? Thanks. It'd be much easier to watch in the highest definition available, if that's possible.
Schoolzorz343 1 year ago
these are real black people.. african americans just blahh iono what to say
lifes40123 1 year ago
@lifes40123 African Americans are no longer slaves and have a voice. You didn't say much yourself. What exactly do you know that was not taught to all of us in schools? Why don't you share your hidden knowledge of African Americans since you know so much about them.
zjones1222 1 year ago
Great Zim whoever built these remarkable buildings it was not ancestors of people now living in the area. San & Hottentots would be better candidates and yet they along with Bantu have no records of building these. It is curious that African verbal traditions (no written language) no wheel to leverage rocks have no tales of who did create them. For my money the reason for the seemingly abrupt end of this civilization the result of annihilation of invading Bantu the conquers.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies Oh, come now Martin. The Aztecs and Maya also lacked wheels. Are you going to tell me that THEY didn't build their temples? These ruins are no more remarkable than those of the Anasazi (cliff dwellers of the American SW). I've seen both ruins.
What great Zim tells me is whoever built them had command of a LOT of labor, which couldn't have happened under the San. There's enough pottery etc found in the ruins to radio carbon date them.
ImperialistRunningDo 1 year ago
@ImperialistRunningDo I agree San & Hottentots populations too low. And I think no doubt Africans would have done the hard work of building & mining. What is a puzzle is these buildings are seen all over modern Zim but all connected with mining. Gold extraction, smelting & protection of gold & whoever is running things. We do not see these expensive buildings any place else other than mines. Implies foreign presence under siege and constant threats by natives.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies you are crazy. I'm from Zim myself, and the Masvingo province in which Great Zimbabwe was built does not have large gold deposits. Unbelievable racist ignorance. No wonder we have taken away "your" farms. South Africa is next.
Bigdhara15 1 year ago
Yes there is disagreement on who built Great Zimbabwe. Africans had no wheels or written language However the purpose was smelt and protect owners of gold mines. There was lots of gold conservative estimates are 7 to 9 million ounces before 1890 alluvial & hard-rock quartz reefs many ancient mines found in European gold rush of 1894. 1267 pre-European workings known mostly destroyed by recent mining of shallow mines to 80 feet vertical sloping horizontal shafts
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@Bigdhara15 get a grip man.. As recently as 2009 the Zimbabwean Government dispatched a team of geologists to Masvingo Province after receiving news of a gold rush in the area
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@Bigdhara15 LOL how funny your nice and safe in Canada... what a hoot
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies Munhumutapa, The Rozvi, those were Bantu people who were at the core of the Empire, an empire which traded with Portuguese traders.
Bigdhara15 1 year ago
@Bigdhara15 "No wonder we have taken away your farms. South Africa is next"
and starvation will surely follow as sure as god made little green apples. Oh a road well travelled as the currentl insanity of Zim has shown us. Only a fool destroys profitable useful enterprizes that feed and employs people.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@Bigdhara15 Much African trade with Portuguese & Arabs. It is interesting to note the rise & fall of Gt. Zim coincided directly with rise & fall of Arab trading. Recall it was the new found route around the Cape that destroyed Arab-European carrying trade. death kneel for African-Arab trading. finished off in 19th C by British ending slave trade in Southern Africa. This irrevocably altered African trade patterns ending wealth generation & upsetting power balances within African societies
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies HaHa..Lets go by ur theory of outsiders creatng this Civilization..based off of ur reasons..Lets say since there is no record,or any of the other things that lead you 2 believe what u believe,then how come there isn't any record of outsiders from thousandS of years ago settling and building a civilization? and if so,where did they go? oh i know,they came and built a civilization and went back home..well why isn't there any records of this theory in their history,wouldn't it exist?
str8OuttaNaptown30 1 year ago
@str8OuttaNaptown30 "they came and built a civilization and went back home" how insightful you appear. This is exactly what African countries are doing now. Recall Europeans came began to build modern countries and economies by their enterprise and laws etc and have now left (or are leaving). Resulting in Africa reverting back & revealing its natural barbarism. or am I missing something about the "progress" of modern Africa?
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies Barbarism? So I guess those of the Kingdom of Ife was barbaric..or the Mali Empire was barbaric too? yeah thats what Europe is doing,& been doing for years..they're brainwashing the ppl of the world that Africa was no mor than mud hut living people..plus u say that's what they're doing now..this civilization is over thousands of years old..which then,whites werent in S. Africa..plus the architecture doesn't even have a European influence,which it should have if they came & made it
str8OuttaNaptown30 1 year ago
@str8OuttaNaptown30 yes Africa one tale of barbarism after another. Try reading 19 C accounts of European explorers about their observations on African 'culture'. Who built the stone buildings in Zimbabwe? No one really knows. Their purpose appears enabling gold mining as they appear nowhere else gold is not found. they are ancient & 19 C tribes who lived in the area had no oral tales about their built them . strange because African oral history is primarily about bragging about ancestors.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies Dont let ur racism cloud ur judgment..Everything u said is irrelevant to this video..trying 2 bash the whole continent of Africa..point is,u have no proof or even a solid premise to back ur statement..But 2 address the things u said about Africa,all of those places are products of colonization by Europeans. Europeans is the reason why Africa is in it's state of turmoil..Do u not know the faces behind the crazeof Africa are Europeans?also Ife is modern day Nigeria,a thriving nation
str8OuttaNaptown30 1 year ago
@str8OuttaNaptown30 Ah yes our old familiar smoke screen friend the "you’re a racist" & “it’s all the fault of European colonization" refrain so familiar after50 years...No facts speak for themselves. Declining living standards, ungovernable people, falling life spans, increased infant mortality, inability to feed themselves.. all tangible fruits of African inability to self govern. If the ills of Africa are the results of colonial white & Arab racism why is Asia doing so well?
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies What?? China has never been colonized by Europeans..and SE Asia is just as bad as Africa,if not worst..And this isn't a "oh i blame it on the white man" type of thing..these are facts..Europeans come and take all the natural resources of the country and monopolizes every likeable commidities they have..These are facts buddy,its just that the media doesnt shine the light on it,because it's their allies who's doing it..haven't u ever seen "Blood Diamond"..these things are real!
str8OuttaNaptown30 1 year ago
str8OuttaNaptown30 Malaysia, India, Singapore, S Korea, Hong Kong all reluctant hosts to the Gwailo. Africa full of resources (hence European interest & avarice) made more productive by their enterprise. Consider gold natives & Arabs for centuries just scratching the surface a mere 80 feet down. European know how & enterprise mined to 7,000 feet creating wealth most stayed in SA acting as economic engine of SA. Without contribution to European enterprise this would not have happened
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
“Europeans take all the natural resources of the country” no Africa is still blessed with abundance resources & yet in 50 odd years since independence we have watched Africans seize white (and Asian) resources & enterprises to what end? what has been achieved? Not much lives of African pheasants has gotten worse. This the responsibility of African leaders economic resources always end up in the hands so those most efficient in their use & it is never poor ignorant pheasants no matter colour
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies I dont think u are aware of the things that goes on in Africa,things that Africans has told me themselves. Do u think that these corrupt government officials are financing themselves and calling these shots by themselves? They are linked with these European Leaders who are hiding behind closed these doors..Not with just Africa,but the middle east and SE Asia too. and in some extent America has a hand in it too...also these things happen in central America..European invasion=chaos
str8OuttaNaptown30 1 year ago
@str8OuttaNaptown30 Enough excuses. Africans decided 50 years ago they would be better off without whites in their countries which of course is racist. I am not in favour of apartheid or one party “president-for-life’ systems be they white or black. The gambles have not worked. It is for peoples of Africa insist that they have honest, effective accountable governments. That is what independence is about. So get on with it & stop making excuses & make the sacrifices made worth while
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies If i popped ur tires & u came late to work and u told yo boss that u was late becuz i popped ur tires,then ur boss says stop makin excuses..well is that an excuse or a fact? My point is that when these things come about,ppl say that they're makin excuses rather then them makin legitimate points..Africans are better off w/o Europeans or any other outsiders who's just tryna get their hands in the cookie jar..Nigeria noticed that,& thats why theyre 1 of the fastest growing countries
str8OuttaNaptown30 1 year ago
@str8OuttaNaptown30 "Africans are better off w/o Europeans " this Political Correctness nonsense. Let’s look at tangible outcomes over the years since independence for SA, Zim, Zam & Kenya.. for the years 1960, 70, 80, 90, 00, 09... life expectancies, infant mortality, personal income, food supplies, rapes, murders, violent crimes. Nature of governments "one party" dictatorships vs multi-party democracies, incidences of "ethnic" or “tribal” mass murders & then evaluate your statement
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies ur making it as if countries that start off with nohin just has overnight success..u put up a 40 year stretch,which is not enough time to have a fully prosperous country..Most successfu countries today have been countries for hundreds &thousands of years..Also they have allies..The countries u listed are babies& Nigeria will be on that level of European countries with in about 20 years,if not more prosperous..and in that time,the rest of Africa will be on Nigeria's current level
str8OuttaNaptown30 1 year ago
@str8OuttaNaptown30 No good trying to hide behind "not enough time has gone by" for these countries to have developed well Asia countries achieved it & just look what was accomplished by British & South African settlers in similar periods of time but when things were much more primative say from 1880 to 1900 a time without internal combustion engines when it took weeks to travel from Cape Town to Joburg by Ox Wagons.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
“not enough time gone by” consider the case of Japan in 1870 it to was under enormous external pressure from modernity in the form of “western” culture & yet within a mere 25 years transformed itself to such a degree it was capable of defeating a European Imperial power in 1905 as newly created IJN defeated & humiliated the Russian Imperial fleet. So rapid transformations by non-European societies doable giving the lie that there is something inherently superior to European societies.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies Japan? yeah it was a country that was already once developed..so they were rebounding,not building..its a difference..I would like to continue this debate,but I have became tired of typing and arguing back and forth about the same things,basically repeating myself..This is going nowhere,I mean u and both know that Africa is in it's building stages..I just felt compelled to correct u on ur remarks,by sayin Africans are Barbarians and blah blah blah..I'm finished
str8OuttaNaptown30 1 year ago
@str8OuttaNaptown30 yes you are finished
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies Yeah Im finish writing back and forth with u..but Africa isn't finish on becoming one the most prosperous continents in the WOrld...Long Live Africa
str8OuttaNaptown30 1 year ago
@str8OuttaNaptown30 "but Africa isn't finish on becoming one the most prosperous continents in the WOrld..."
" by the way I agree 100% with this sentiments... and it will come about and what a wondrful place it will be... and to echo your words "Long Live Africa..."
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies Actually evidence shows that the ruins of Great Zimbabwe were built by the natives from there and had no outside influence. Also note when excavation began the evidence proved it so much that the British actually banned it and took the time to destroy most of it, so people like you today can walk around thinking that they were nothing but a bunch of barbarians. You must be very grateful for the generations that came before you
independent1one 1 year ago
@independent1one there is no doubt that africans would have done all the physical work of construction as well as the gold mining. The big question is what culture drove the enterprise. If African in origin then why did the workings and building come to an end.. no body stops profitable enterprise for no reason.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies studies from excavation of the ruins, artifacts show the African native culture drove that obviously. Nobody really knows, I think the British intervention probably compromised that a lot. Ancient Civilizations and societies have come to end for unknown reasons plenty of times it is not an anomaly. You seriously need to get outside whatever box you have mentally trapped yourself in
independent1one 1 year ago
@independent1one "whatever box you have mentally trapped yourself in" that is a somewhat revealing comment you have made here. You will notice I speak and addess the issue/subject and not attack the messenger.. facts are orchistrating gold mining on the scale we know went on in Mashonaland required organisational abilities & capabilities beyond anything know in Southern Africa Bantu societies.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies What facts were recorded then? Not really much and of course in the hands of a society that based it's entire approach towards it on oppressive perverse racism. Actually a few monuments that exist in the world still are entire wonder as to how anyone managed to create them judging from development capacity. So who did? aliens? actually that is what the colonialist told themselves whenever the came across anything that did not fit their ideals of "Primitive Africa
independent1one 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies pt2 colonialism has ended but thee mentality runs deep.
You behave like am throwing random insults your way, merely making an assessment on your character. you do not have an objective approach towards the continent and it's people. It is based on whatever subjective ideals you have allowed your head to construct. You analyse all information to fit in to your fixed conclusion. Evidence shows it was the culture there that drove it but you the alpha and omega still think otherwise
independent1one 1 year ago
@independent1one are you on drugs/
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies so that is what is left of you? have fun with that
independent1one 1 year ago
I am interested in seeing examples of even one “post-independent” sub Saharan African state that has accomplished any one of the following 1) peaceful civilian transition of government in a multi-party state 2) Increases in life spans & reduction in child mortality 3) rise on food production 4) development of industries outside of natural resource extraction. Africa has none despite 50 years of independence contrast with what a few thousand Europeans accomplish in a similar time frame - wake up
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies So apparently you have completely missed my point and and have resorted to babbling went on some completely different tangent. Wake up? Um what point are you getting at exactly that sub-Saharan are simply lacking in inherent capabilities? Okay then dude whatever
independent1one 1 year ago
@independent1one you wrote "“colonialism has ended” It seems that way & my comments were in reply to that. But let’s not be to hasty and see how China works out in Africa. Underlying my comments are if Africans cannot manage their affairs and make a go of things given all the aid & modern means lashed on them in the last 50 years I would doubt their ability to create and run a global medieval gold mining industry. Just look at Zambia how messed up copper surely this obvious to you?
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@independent1one I have not missed any pionts. Just look at Zim. Mugabe & his sycophantic corrupt inept murderous “war veteran” thugs took one of Africa’s most prosperous countries that fed, via white enterprise not only its own people but many post-dependent neighboring states. A mere 4,000 white farmers had were feeding the country. From wealth to poverty in 10 years wow now there’s effective governance for you. Oh yes and on the way he murdered thousands of Matabele.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@independent1one Just one of the problems facing African states. Africans are increasingly uninterested in working land as subsistence farmers as mass migrations to urban centers reveal. Feeding these people with their unrealistic expectations requires large amounts of food, food that only modern agricultural methods can achieve. Once enterprises destroyed (by murder or kicking whites out) you have to import food or stave (Zim) to prevent revolution but with no whites around to blame this time
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies please save the rant for somebody else. I just read the first line then gave up. If all you can do is take my irrelevant statements out of context and respond to that then, really there is no point. You are talking about a different time where people were under different socio economic circumstances. Believe whatever make pleasures your self esteem. It does not matter
independent1one 1 year ago
independent1one “I first line then gave up” LOL of course you did. I am not really addressing you Your comments a foil for me to articulate thoughts on Africa’s nightmare as it tries to emerge from barbarism into the modern world. I am addressing previous visitors & those to follow. True different times & for those who read first hand accounts by those who entered southern tropical Africa in 19 C we see majority of African’s have not changed so little wonder modern world is out of reach
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies Of course a small region of the second biggest continent of the world factoring out modern transportation paints an entire picture, how objective
independent1one 1 year ago
@ independent1one
Maybe I am confused but surely Matabele & Mashonaland, Rhodesia & Zimbabwe and neighboring countries & histories is the topic of this video isn’t it?
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies Did these accounts stretch that far, and besides you are talking about a class of people so racist they were honestly willing to attribute anything about Africa they come across to aliens. You should read those as well quite hilarious. I would love trust biased views but I am actually going to stick with the objective thing.
independent1one 1 year ago
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MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies As your comments show, you find so hard to believe that monuments and feats in our own land the are culturally representative of us were even culturally driven by us. So much respect. I grew up in Botswana
independent1one 1 year ago
@independent1one “I grew up in Botswana” you don’t reveal if you’re a native or a foreigner either way you will be acutely aware of the history of the Bamangwatos (BagammaNgwato) of Bechuanaland & their near annihilation at the hands of the Matabele “Children of the Stars” as they murdered & plunder their way up into Matabele and Mashonaland as they fled before the Boers and British who put a stop to mayhem
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies Botswana from understanding is actaully one of the few countries in southern Africa that has progressed. Partly becuase of the very small population and riches and lack of tribal conflicts.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies Oh yeah Botswana was a protectorate. We are extremely lucky we have a very peaceful history. Our minerals were discovered after our Independence, and only a year at that phew!. Our country was just considered barren and was convenient gateway from south Africa to Zimbabwe. But we did have a lot of cattle though
independent1one 1 year ago
@independent1one cattle the currency of Africa. I have just been redaing about the impact of cattle and maize on African societies... did you know Lobengula had 50,000 head of cattle with his royal kraal at Bulawayo. Given how dry Botswana is I would expect raising cattle difficult.. although I seem to recall in the north it is less arid
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies Yeah the north and the south east region. But cattle is a very big thing with us. I am actually ethnically Zimbabwean. My father is shona my mother is ndebele
independent1one 1 year ago
@independent1one "father is Shona my mother is Ndebele" interesting & I am guessing part of the Zim elite Diaspora waiting for a change in government in order to go back. At 25 you will not remember the 60s but it was a different time (racial & tribal politics aside) affluent & happy country. What many forget (or never knew) was Mashona lived in terror of the Matabele until Rhodesia came about which stopped the killings & looting. Are you familiar with what a Tokalosh is?
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies Not really My family has pretty much assimilated into Botswana. My father was born here and my mom has lived ever since she was a child. But Ideally have plans to end up there get some land and invest in the agriculture there. But I am still not done with my education I am currently trying to write my CFA. Yeah those groups have a violent history with each other. It is undeniable the order Europeans brought to Africa.
independent1one 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies A part of me just wishes blacks were incorporated into society fairly back then. Africa could have been a different place if actual respectful relations developed between us and the Europeans. But now the damage is done most of it is left with leaders that are either corrupt or dictators, feeding of the ignorance of the people.
independent1one 1 year ago
Much talk of the racial hatreds embellished after the 1960s. Consider Northern Rhodesia 75,000 Europeans (2/3 of those women & children) so 10,000 Europeans created and ran the economy. African population 3.2 million with most Africans never even seen a white person let alone be exploited by one. True Africans with few kills entered work force at the bottom with mission kids with some command of English mostly hired. I recall Africans lined up for jobs as domestic servants & on the mines.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies Tokaloshi, lmao wow what a jump back to the past. Thanks for that. The fear i had for them as a young child.
independent1one 1 year ago
@independent1one you are welcome you might like to know that us white kids were most concerned about them as well... best to stay on their good side...
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies I can't speak of northern Rhodesia. But In Zimbabwe many people were displaced off the farm land while the Europeans where given favoritism. Children tend to have their humanity intact. A lot of elders white people were known to be nice as well. I really do not think the most white people had this evil intent towards black people. It was a situation that they ended up and just went with it in ignorance of it's effects. People aren't usually privy to issues that are not their own.
independent1one 1 year ago
@independent1one No doubt African peasants robbed, denied rights including land ownership, however private property ownership was a European notion prior to this land occupied by Africans was at the capricious pleasure of Indunas & King and could be taken away at any time. That said white laws ensured Africans would be 2nd class citizens in their own land & that was wrong. and yet despite grew there emerged a black middleclass & with it demands for legitimate rights as human beings.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies Yeah some did manage to persevere. Even under the apartheid regime you had some blacks that managed to make millionaires of themselves. I guess If blacks were the minorities that progression would have been a slower more steady uphill movement resulting in a civil rights type movement as in the states. But as ideals spread people wanted their stake fast with greed incorporated they wanted what the Europeans had.
independent1one 1 year ago
“wanted what Europeans had.” this the hope of Africa it will bring political pressure for rule of law & effective governance. As independence approached in NR a crowd of excited Africans came to our house. A man in a pick-up truck shouting through a bull horn pointing at us talking to the crowd when freedom comes “you shall have this man’s house, car, job, wife” as if our standard of living was a physical thing & not the result of application of my fathers engineering mining skills. scary
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
And so what frustrates me about Africa is not that Africans are not intelligent, aspirational, enterprising and capable it is their collective inability to pull things together. For example economics is not a zero sum game. The wealth created by competent modern farmer (regardless of skin colour) should be encouraged. A dollar earned by a successful commercial farmer only spent by him once it then bounced around the economy. Zim needs these guys killing and scaring them away is madness
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies Yeah that is true but we do live in a racially inclined world. People have been oppressed and enslaved because of it so it runs very deep. So when you have a situation where ownership and wealth is not reflective tensions develop. I have to admit I do share those Ideals on some level and believe in protectionism. For in society where people relate and associate with their own kind if the elite and upper class are of a specific race, marginalization and discrimination occurs.
independent1one 1 year ago
@independent1one
and yet we live in a world where the son of a Lou a Kenyan is now president of the USA... and that shows us how far we have come & gives us hope that things are improving.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies Yeah things are improving glass ceilings are breaking down slowly I personally can't say I am satisfied with slow. An overwhelming number of African Americans still suffer under socio-economic disadvantages and are marginalized while their issues continue to be ignored with in society.
independent1one 1 year ago
@independent1one I hear that and see that on TV.. and yet having seen how enterprizing Africans are I have little sympathy for the "African Amercan" plight. take education as an example. Africans rush to to.. they almost worship it.. knowing that it is the main hope, tool out of their circumstances and yet here in America education is looked at as joke we hear moan, moan... look at all the immigrants who have arrived in USA in just the last 30 years how they grabbed opportunities.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies Africans are not tied within these communities so they are not as adversely affected. Had these people been tied into these conditions over that a significant period of time you would see a similar trend. Just the way upper class and middle class African Americans are not really either. But even among them you hear complaints of the discrimination they face. It is no longer crippling for the most part but I am sure it hinders potential.
independent1one 1 year ago 3
@independent1one If u read your Bible these are all prophecies being fulfilled.Black People, not all but the descendants of the Hebrew Israelites are under a curse for breaking the covenant made between God & Abraham. Deuteronomy 28: 32, 41,48,64 & Joel 3:3 amongst many other scriptures describes the true descendants of Israelites as being cursed with slavery and bondage even after they were brought out of Egypt. So don't complain bcuz we have come from very far, we are improving. Only true God
SimpleK1987 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies The thought In Africa should have been slow aggressive economic progression. Development of skills and expertise should have been the focus. I believe the Europeans had a place and had too much to offer to just send them off. They were short sighted and in the end paid the price.
independent1one 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies But yeah it is how it is I actually had a huge number of white friends when I was younger but I grew up I found my self associating more with people of my own race. They did the same. I guess people have a tendency to relate and identify more with people of their own race.
independent1one 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies You are not really addressing anything, you are trying to have your moment of intellectual critique and analysis, but it just comes out as intellectual shit. I suggest you head to a white supremacist video there will be a whole bunch of other idiots who would love to hear your crap
independent1one 1 year ago
@independent1one White supremacist & I do not get on well together. They don’t like my pointing how delusional they are idiots & fools similar to black romantic revisionists especially those who are nice, warm & safe living a comfortable life in UK and USA. As I assume you are
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies I am actually not in the states right now. I am somewhere else. I was born in and grew up in Africa. fail
independent1one 1 year ago
@independent1one stick with the objective thing.” Yes then begin by assessing performance of African states since independence & use tangible “objective” criteria as what constitutes advancement. This includes results that shows effective governance like life expectancy etc. What you do not know about me is the high regard and respect I have for Africans as individuals I have known many during my time living in several Africa countries. How many countries in Africa have you lived in
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@independent1one "not actually in the States" and yet your profile says that is were you are Readers can't help but wonder what else about your profile is untrue/inaccurate? as a young person 25 (?) and I assume the waste product of an American education I am not surprised by your fuzzy thinking.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies My parents relocated to the states when I was 17 so I kind switch between places. I spend more of my time on Botswana now but that the States in where most of my immediate family is.
independent1one 1 year ago
@independent1one I grew up on mines in Northern Rhodesia (Zambia), South West Africa (Namiba) and Kenya and have travelled through out the reagion including Botswana
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies Oh really interesting i guess that explains your interest, I was wondering. For how long where you there?
independent1one 1 year ago
Most of my childhood in Africa. Played with African lads in the bush they taught me to trap, hunt & gave me gifts of spears & bows-arrows (small ones about 3’) in return we shared my pellet gun hunting small game. I also attended an exclusive boys boarding school (Nairobi) with African lads we competed in sports & in class. They excelled getting A's in Latin translation via Swahili thru English. So I know Africans to be every bit as intelligent & resilient as any white person
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies But still not capable not capable of any development with out external influence, lol. Yeah i see that. I only discovered these ideals existed when I moved to the states and was dumbfounded when i started using youtube. But my experience growing up and my interactions with white people always revealed otherwise. Funny thing is the most expensive private school in our country which is over 80% white got the worst grades on average of that class. but such is the world we live in.
independent1one 1 year ago
@independent1one "still not capable of any development without external influence, lol" at the risk of re-igniting flame wars. 1960s African societies not prepared for the independence. This is not a putdown of African intelligence but due of lack of skills. African societies subsistence farmers or laborers 2 generations removed from slavery Mashona a slave tribe of the Matabele. Who was to rule and where was economic means to deliver services of a modern state the answer was no one
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies I was more referring to ancient Africa, but yeah Africa at the time was not ready. But you know it was a continent where the majority were marginalized to subservient labor. In this racially inclined world they were just not willing to stand for and it seemed the people reaping the wealth of their land were not too interested in their development. I think they should have realized this because it was bound to result in an ugly crash and burn. So we ended with status quo
independent1one 1 year ago
@independent1one Often missing in dialogs of white & black was the level intimate relationships that developed between the two. In our case we had 3 servants houseboy, nanny, garden boy (Africans referred to in the demeaning term 'boy'). That said his income allowed him to acquire a bike, household furniture, free accommodation, modern medicine & money buy cattle enabling him to pay the bride price. He was an affluent man at age 21. When we left for South West Africa they wept
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies Yup I have actually witnessed the relationships myself. I had a friend who's family was crazy close with their house servants. I always thought it was sweet. I noticed relationships between blacks and their servants were usually a bit more condescending. But my mom was different she always made she we developed close relationships with them. she even paid for night schools so our maids could further their education.
independent1one 1 year ago
@independent1one One dark thunderous night during Mosses came to the house he & his wife lived in a small apartment attached to the garage he was distraught. His young wife all of 15 or 16 was pregnant & had gone into labour turned bad. My parents & Mosses bundled her into the car & drove her to the mine hospital where she gave birth. The Doctor informed us that had she not been rushed to the hospital she & her bay would have died. It was things like this that was the cement that bound us
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies Oh yeah the American education system is quite something when i first started schooling there I wanted to blow my head off.
independent1one 1 year ago
“colonialism has ended” which incidentally brought the end of internecine tribal warfare and the slavery associated with it, increases in life expectancy, decrease in child mortality. to mention just a few. Replaced in by Single party tribe based “president-for-life” dictator thugs as the wonderful “post-colonial” period reintroduced tribal annihilations, collapse of civil society, decreased life expectancy, rise in infant mortality, inability to feed themselves. The list is endless
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies nobody knows why it came to an end i meant to say
independent1one 1 year ago
2) In a way who can blame them they had short, precarious lives why bother investing for a future you may not benefit from. Better take from others while you can enjoy the booty until you die. As I look at Africa today I see the same sentiments like nationalization of copper mines in Zambia (ANC lusting for SA mines right now), white farm seizures in Zim & Asian expulsions in Uganda. All modern forms of African pillage & subsequent destruction of enterprises the vehicles to the modern world.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
1) In late 19th C Southern Africa African (not counting San & Hottentots) societies either pastoral conquered slave tribes like the Mashona or conquering pillage & plundering tribes like Zulu & Matabele. Held together with by ‘traditional’ myths, magic managed by the witch doctor elite war priesthood. Africans it was noted at the time wanted benefits of western societies like Maize (mealies), weapons & medicines but not prepared to adjust behaviors to bring them about.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@str8OuttaNaptown30 True Nigeria resource wealthy. But riding on the economic novocain of oil since independence. Given its resources & population it ought now be a fully developed nation with incomes on a par with successful Asian countries if not on with Europe. It not! Instead we see kleptocracies one after another as dictators & their inept corrupt sycophantic thugs pillage the assets of the country. At least British enterprise & governance brought peace, jobs & infrastructure
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies But to the real subject,how is that Europeans came and created a civilization then up and left..and also created a structure that has no European influence whatsoever?
str8OuttaNaptown30 1 year ago
@str8OuttaNaptown30 I don’t think Europeans responsible for building Gt Zim or any other stone buildings in Southern Africa. Wasn’t until late 19th C Europeans & imported livestock could stay alive in tropical Africa. It took an understanding of causes of diseases and how to avoid or cure them that countries like Rhodesia & Kenya could exist as colonies. Had it not been for these deadly African diseases Europeans would have arrived in large numbers earlier as we did in North America
MartinIDavies 1 year ago