People can be so stupid. It's extremely depressing seeing how stupid people can be :( We're on finite resources people, we're not asking for you to completely stop reproducing, but just don't overburden the planet with your 20 kids? :D
Notice how everyone who worked at JPL wants to murder billions of people? Coincidence? Jack Parsons, founder of JPL, was second to Aleister Crowley and head warlock in the USA. Sacrificing a few billion people would probably allow the gating and binding of some pretty spectacular demons. (No I am not a Christian, references to extradimensionals such as demons goes back to at least 5000 B.C. in Sanskrit documents)
This would explain why he is pro nuclear power. Thousands of Fukushimas will certainly reduce the Human population to less than 1 billion people, LOL.
A somewhat slow, thought out reduction in population, done by lower birth rates, not culling, would be fine. Consumption keeps increasing and so does the population. Something has to give. It's a fact. We either slow down now or die due to famine, war, drought ect.
Believe me "They" WILL start to reduce human population on the planet in the 21st Century.
By the year 2100 global population will be between 500-1000 Million
LISTEN to what he say's at 04:34... He gives clues as to what will be used to cull population numbers...FOOD will be used as the weapon. Just look at what is happening..The price of food is going up and up. Start to stockpile non perishable foods NOW! Before it is too late.
the way you write this you sound like you get cause and effect the wrong way round. Food supply will reduce itself (food is a side effect of what plants do & decided by 'gaia' itself) consequently there will be winners & losers in competition to get & keep supplies. our parents, grandparents etc bred us in this dead end by not sticking to the 0.5-2billion human range that earth could support with established symbiosis between plants and animals (us)
@71shoelover - some may try to avoid being those who starve by 'stockpiling' or starting wars to kill off competitors, the NWO mass cull although "paranoid/conspiracy" is worryingly , according to game theory, the best survival strategy for any elites that can pull it off; if they don't they take their chances starving with the rest of us.
we can only blame ourselves & parents for this mess. Club Of Rome warned in the 1970's. guidestones. yet pop continued to rise, 4b to 7today
@71shoelover - ok great :) with the situation i find all you can do is find peace understanding it instead of looking for peeps to blame. I possibly misinterpreted your wording.
most people really don't get it....
they think MMGW is something that can be fixed with recycling plastic bags, or a scam to raise taxes..
@71shoelover - the situation today is a dead end, no way out. the time to fix it would have been global 1cp in 1980's then we could have held pop peak at 4billion , gradually reduced it by dying of old age.. of course with reduced competition for land and resources life expectancy would rise so it would be a gradual process.
for anyone that thinks renewable energy can save us, plants are already solar-powered nano tech assemblers that provide for our needs.we evolved around them
@walter0bz AT LAST someone on Youtube who has a brain. I also agree with you. The time to fix the problem would have been in the 1980,s and as you say gradually reduce the population through old age. DRASTIC ACTIONS WILL take place. The system as it is now simply CAN NOT go on. The planet CAN NOT sustain a population of 7-8-9-10-11-12 Billion human's
Mr. Lovelock did not say that the earth's population would be reduced to 1 billion. He said that given current living styles 1 billion is the most that Gaia could support. That has nothing do to with how many people survive this century's ecological catastrophes and consequent social, political, and economic upheavals. Nobody may survive the coming resource wars and ecological failures.
I've read Mr. Lovelock's books, but he has clearly not given sufficient thought to Britain's plight. As the worlds heats and present food-producing regions suffer drought and enviromental degradation, Britain (which is not now self-sufficient in food production and imports much of what it eats) will suffer food shortages because there won't be food surplusses elsewhere in the world for importation. Britain is in trouble. Accepting more immigrants is a policy for sure disaster.
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What a crock of shit from An old fool with one foot already in the grave. Our world population is not the problem here. It is greed, greed for land, and world resources while people suffer in spite of their attempt to get it. I have a small garden on my property not very big at all. And I grow vegetables that I enjoy. In this small garden there is enough food to share with my neighbors all year long provided the weather was accommodating. I can bet if more people were able to grow their own
>>" I have a small garden on my property not very big at all. And I grow vegetables that I enjoy."
- you have WAY more fertile land than the average person, lucky you.
See how many people you can fit in a primitive country living the way you do, without industrial agriculture, global trade. if you trade anything with the outside world, your lifestyle is subsidized by fossil fuels. For starters you have a computer aparently
@walter0bz as an individual, I do not trade out side of the country. There has been many alternatives introduced in place of fossil fuel and I am not condeming technology. I work in the medical field so for me technology is wonderful. However,our technology has advanced enough that we are able to take care of problems concerning population and consumption.You also do not need a large area of land for even one person to grow food for their consumption. There are ways this can be done.
i like your optimism but i'm really very skeptical we can feed the billions around the world. uk, china, india have 7x, 4.7x, 11x the USA population density. most humans live in densely populated countries. for me it seems clear more energy = more life, less energy = less life.
And yes Fossil fuel has allowed Billions to live but it also condems Billions to die. Once upon a time reaching the moon was impossible to mankind. Now look what we have accomplished. Fossil fuel was the answer in our industrial era and still is today, but we can find ways around fossil fuel if we really wanted to.
>>"but we can find ways around fossil fuel if we really wanted to."
- those in power in current system would want to. if it was possible we'd just smoothly transition over, and the debt bubble could keep expanding. The financial crisis was the powers that be realizing its' all going to go pear shaped soon
@walter0bz well I hope since you greatly support mass murder as a result of world depopulation, with all due respect. I hope you will be the first in line on the head chopping block. God speed
@walter0bz I totally reject the 1 child policy, because the first child of a woman is always the problematic one (the ugliest, sickest, physically and morally distorted etc.) Our gene pool will deprecate over time by this.
It's obvious, when we look at some poorer countries, with many kids / family, like Russia, have much more beautiful and kind people than some western countries with few kids / family, like Britain or Germany.
oh and sure, if you have 'many kids' subjected to harsh conditions with low survival rate, yes the darwnian forces would keep the gene pool healthier.
But do you really want to live like that ?
another explanation for your hypothesis (if you had a valid observation),is: better healthcare responsible for allowing lower gene quality to propagate. Again a better solution be, healthcare requires loss of 'breeding license' rather than outright extermination
>>" I can bet if more people were able to grow their own"
but thats how we started. The method you described was used for thousands of years, prior to the Industrial Revolution, supporting Hundreds of Millions.
Then the use of fossil fuels allowed BILLIONS to live.
@99645md sweet deal. how long has it been since you've bought vegetables at the supermarket? do you grow any staples, such as wheat? if so, is milling it too difficult? i ask because i've been thinking about doing this myself.
The interviewer obviously hasn't grasped the simple point that just because we are the pre-eminent species, we are not the most worthy species. Gaia does not play favourites.
Dear Mr elitist, You first! My God did not make this world too small for all of us, this is YOUR lie. This is radical environmentalism, they will use their money to make your families suffer, like they have done in third world countries, let them have this world, satan rules it, may they and all evil burn together for eternity
Great thinkers, like Lovelock, have stated this time after time, and one day, we’re all going to have to take notice. Unfortunately, the sooner we react and take measures to litigate and manage the better, but I fear many just can’t comprehend the problem.
We see evidence in economics, where a nation or state has limit to its growth, we see evidence in our towns as we can grow only so far before we join with other towns, we see evidence of it in our back pockets as shifts in labor markets drive once strong importing countries into weak exporters – all evidence of a constant movement and the limits to our systems that power them.
Every species on the planet has a maximum capacity that any area can allow it, whether it be deep sea Chemotroph and it’s exposure to sulfur, a photosynthesizer and light before it’s burried by taller plant to the darkness or a predtors and their prey on the Mara in Africa, all are limited by a fundamental process of eternal change that allowed the spectrum of life on this planet to develop in the first place.
I agree the elites don't want to go down the drain with rest of us. Before they die the 6 bill expendables will strip every tree and plant for fuel and food. Riot and tear apart what's already built. with this man's attitude that it is inevitable - why not release a plague that will save the built landscape and resources? While the worthy ones (rich) are in their locked bunkers behind armed guards? Come out and it's done.
I think that a world wide policy of perpetualy alternating periods that forbidd the birth of any children for 5 years followed by a period of 5 years in which the population is allowed to have only 1 child would be a measured and effective approach to significantly reducing the world population and overcrowding dilemma!
That are non-govt based. What the scientists/priests/wizards are not telling you is that the Earth is growing but the western world system is killing her. We must fight against them not each other.They're the ones that are ready to sacrifice YOU for THEIR better good but their not prepared sacrifice themselves.They're deciding that you DIE & they live as they have the money so they feel that makes them more important then you.Global warming: LIES,Overpopulation: LIE,No cures 4 Big C & AIDS:LIES
This is to the25thman, Imollot & DJVori9: Bless you all for having the sense and overstanding of whats going on in the Eart today. We are not overpopulated. The NWO knows that we're not going to go out and count all the heads in the world & do our own census. Go around most of the western world & see how much countrysides there is and farms that homeless people could live in but fat cats call it"private property" & are not willing to share. Wake up and se what is happening. Do give to charities
This is wrong because more people means more brainpower to find solutions and survive. A bigger population is an asset, not a liability, that is why we have 7 billion today living better than the few millions in the past.
or beggars all over the world eating from trash cans?
or numerous people, civilians, killed by guns in great number of wars?
OPEN YOUR EYES
we could all live great, but the rich would have to give some money. so, it's "better" for them to reduce the population and grasp power. i don't know how you can not see it.
@DJVori9 Really, so you think people were living better 200 years ago, 2000 years ago? Of course there is poverty, but less than in the past proportionally.
we are only living better while we are drawing down the earths capital (in energy and sustainability terms). it is like blowing your inheritence (across ~150 years).. sure if we release energy 100,000+ times faster than it replenishes we can live well.
white man scientist always censor the native indian matriarchy solutions-see only scientists can save us-they destroyed us-never get punished -hope they get ko by animal reacuers-scientists are new priests with all our money we overwork 2 support their failed promises-which we never voted for-like all professionals who say they have right to dictate us -and native cultures esp mothers-grandmothers nature wisdom like birth control plants, cancer herb teas etc
young pple who ask for vasectomy or tubes tied- are refused by most doctors- gov want overpop so can have unpaid slaves-now work "volunteers for only room /food bank food-when so much excess-landless women forced to sell/have babies to support the first sibling or pay teachers-land is better than diploma-very sadist fosterkids/orphans organ transplant recruiting on orphans(most still have a single mother or father)-chaos/suffering =profits elite-so steal what u need& take turns 2b rich-only fair
chemotherapy and medical hysterectomys/ovary removal of majority women- too bad some husbands want their wife prisoner babies18 family allowance checks for their drug habits,sports cars etc
You are all sick and mentally ill.This is so bizarre, natter on about overpopulation but you won't offer yourselves up to set examples will you, cowardly trash yuppie delinquents.Overpopulation is a myth and the population will soon start to decrease rapidly because western birth rates have been declining, it's only because of massive floods of immigrants that Britain gives the illusion of overpopulation.
Bill Gates is a LIAR! He's an advocate of 95% de-population, like Kissinger & Rockefeller. Gates is currently investing in putting toxic vaccines into MOSQUITOS to further his de-population agenda. Recently, 9 mo. old twins DIED immediately after receiving the MMR vaccine. Dr WAKEFIELD IS RIGHT! Vaccines POISON the population (they tried to make H1N1 MANDATORY last yr? They'll try THAT again to get rid of SS recipients. YOUTUBE: Watch Jesse Ventura's "CHEMTRAILS". Food & water is poisoned
He's a great man by the sounds of it. He's not pro-eugenics he's just realistically looking at our current/future situation. Trust the BBC to perpetuate this dream that we have of us being able to keep our sick mindset going for ever on finite and beautiful planet. We are a sick culture and it might just take the "culling" (what a manipulative word)to take us back to a sustainable and sane civilisation.
John Holdren is Obama's appointed Science Czar. Like all Czars, they were not approved by the Senate, which is unconstitutional. He advocated in his book "Ecoscience", sterilization of the human population by adding a sterilization drug to the food and water supply and the government taking babies away from single mom's. GOOGLE “zombietime john holdren” and click on link.
We should take all the semen from the blond people and put in in the Negros in Africa they don't care anyway. they run around like animals and shit. peacefully,We can have a white Africa in 500 years.will team up with Russia.
Lovelock is really pushing for a genocidal agenda, whether he knows it or not, because the elitists know that there is no need to reduce the population. Materials arent running out like they hype, and if they really wanted they could give us all free energy with no problems. It is part of an agenda being pushed that has nothing do to with science or practicality but with satanic ideology, because the ppl behind this at the top of the pyramid (the catholic church) are satanists
@HullSerb And by the way, they are going thru with this agenda whether u agree with it or not. They are poisoining and drugging the water and food supply, and they will release new viruses to kill us off. To many this will sound far-fetched, but the scenario he presents would not happen on its own, it is being planned
they have such a plan no doubt and I think they already tried it sort of a test run with HIV but they need something much more dangerous and virulent than that of course - it will be bad for them too because they will have to get their hands dirty but who gives a fuck about them
any organism encountering abundance ("free energy") will generally multiply burning through it until its back in scarcity... unless its smart enough to control its numbers.
i dont know about this bollox, but the 'human meat balloon' inflates by 80million per year.
we are in 6X overshoot.
and the 4 horsemen are waiting with a big pin!
wittering on about the menace of eugenics wont stop the inevitable world human die off. a one child policy in all countries is necessary to stop by far the greatest human tragedy of all time. a readjustment will happen one way or another, and soon.
no, this is only temporary whilst we're burning fossil fuels.
Gaia made an error locking carbon away in a high energy state.. entropy not maximized. The current 'human bloom' is just a temporary process releasing the carbon ready to be locked back into Limestone which is a much better long term vault.
WIthin 100 years once most of the hydrocarbons have been released, our species will no longer be required; Primates can do the job of seed dispersal perfectly well.
God created us because he needs us, he also created self-learning system to maintain human's population healthy. At this moment we are developing in wrong direction, so we have to be ready for corrections. But don't worry – we'll remain on the Earth as long as it will be physically possible. Then – humans should develop to the new level (following God's development) and will move to the next level of life where we will not need Earth any more. So enjoy as much as you can but touch life gently
@underwaterireland , there is no god so stop speaking for him. Did he tell you he needs us? If yes, there is medicine for your illness. If no, you are delusional and there is medicine for that too. Get out of the clutches of religion. Its a spirit killer and is largely responsible for the earths Over Population problem.
@controlpopulation There is creator of this universe (including us), humans call it God. He (or she, but I think that it's a male) needs us as a food.
@underwaterireland, or maybe there is no god and the universe creates life so it can move up in its evolution like we do over millions of reincarnations. As for a god needing us as food, what is he waiting for? Were overpopulated and he should have pigged out hundreds of years ago.
The only logical solution is selective population reduction. I would begin with neutralizing all drug addicts (option to cease using - or face neutralization) , violent crime offenders, rapists, child molesters, murderers, and the criminally insane.
I would rather propose a global child policy, because this is where the problem lies.No matter what options there are to avoid food shortage, eventually we will have to look the problem in the eyes. Animals have their birth control sytem, but we are the highest on the chain, so we have to control ourselves.
"grow garden on your roof" - what if you live in a block of flats. each person has minimal area.
"solar power" - needs long power cables (+power loss) to habitable regions + they're manufactured using fossil fuels. human/land Life requires balance of sunlight+freshwater. Solar panels still need water for cleaning which buggers up desert based concentrators (they get covered in sand). The idea of synthesizing hydrogen needs Water to electrolyze..
I don't believe this at all. But say it was true, you can't just kill people like they're animals. How unintelligent can you be to dwell on money and not the advancement of our race into the universe?
Earth can feed 20-30 billion people without a problem with proper management, its the Illuminati plan to reduce the population to controllable numbers. Clean water systems, free magnetic energy systems, hydroponics if you like, is existing and cheap to reproduce technology, but they wouldn't release these because the population numbers may 'explode' (according to them) whereas de facto the more a society's living standard grows the slower the population growth becomes. (for ex. USA, W. Europe)
@vladko77 crops rely on petroleum for pesticides, fertilizers and tractors.take away the oil and the crop will be much smaller, so 20-30 billion people is just a dream.
today we consume 10 calories of oil for 1 calorie of food.
@vladko77 Here is a thought, Plastic causes cancer, and is toxic to animals and humans. its in the water, it seeps into the soil in which we grow crops, and the fish eat the plastic and we eat the fish. Not to mention all the chemically modified food, that is cancerous, that we HAVE to use to feed this 20-30 billion you speak of.
thats without thinking of wars, or oil or anything. I do believe this man is right, about less then 1 billion.
@MasonicEyes i've heard figures up to 2.3 billion. if you look up malthus on wikipedia, or if you look up world energy consumption, you will find interesting stuff about max population limits for earth.
Why dont you tell people the throuth.That there was 35 miljon in Iran and Today 2 times that. Haiti population was 1/9 of now. and the same history all over the world, Specially Africa. YOU destroy their Economi and land Product, and THEN you FLOOD their market with chep GEN. Manipulated SHEET. Every body knows that when you put to much food in a such countrys(that you helped destroyed). the population Grow Logaritmly, and THEN YOU COME OUT AND SAY 2 much people in the world !!? How Much lays.!?
Something the climate change nazis always fail to acknowledge are the benefits of climate change ie)the opening up of Greenland and the arctic. Good to see Lovelock is a man who acknowledges all sides of a debate.
This interviewer is just looking for a fight to pick, he should just shut the fuck up and let the smart guy do the talking cause he offers enlightenment, whereas the former offers brash and trivial criticism. Once again; shut the fuck up and listen, you might learn something.
@superheronumber1 the interviewer presents the programme hardtalk... it's his job to criticise, so the person has a chance to talk about, and defend thier idea's... notice the sharing of smiles?
@superheronumber1... The journalist's name is Stephen Sackur of BBC's HardTalk. ...if you were at all familiar with this show, which is seen worldwide, you'd understand and appreciate the style of questioning and the format of a very in-depth grilling given to all, no matter who they are.
...Once again the small minded with their small insecure world views should shut the fnck up and research... they might learn something.
The old britlander straddling Huxley & Orwell puts his finger on the wound that WASP greed led by XIONAZI shylockian financiers & their thinking tanks has brought the planet to. Let's unite in prayer & watch murka burn itself out as the biggest hog of the lot drowns in the trough of its own gluttony and viciousness. Iran is up as the xiodon wasp shiny shit machine connects the dots of Iraq Afghanistan & Iran in a firestorm. Have a shot of soma, in puke caked overalls as the ship goes down. KARMA
price signals are great but can demand unemployed people starve.
Right now in UK I do think we're overpopulated,& this is correctly pricing people out of reproduction - i.e. the fact that a family dwelling= increasingly unaffordable - but reproduction is happening anyway based on zombie banks lending to zombie households, & benefits incentivizing the unemployed breeding
Big Problem= tying money supply to home-loans, it assumes prices continually rise but they need to fluctuate
@walter0bz "do you actually accept there's an ongoing economic meltdown?"
No.
seekingalpha. com/author/mark-j-perry/articles
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There was a minor recession around 2001, and another minor recession that ended about a year ago. In terms of labor-time costs, commodities seem to still be doing what they have always tended to do since 1820, which is get cheaper and cheaper. People seem to still be getting healthier and healthier, and life (for humans) seems to still be getting better and easier.
I guess they don't teach peak oil or exponential growth in journalism school. There's hundreds, more like thousands, of Youtube videos that cover the unsustainability of western civ. Yet this reporter acts like he's hearing it for the first time.
@DeathNeedsTime In all likelihood it was. Terms like "peak oil" are little more than buzzwords and soundbites to most journalists (except for the old school ones like Bill Moyers or David Frost).
@walter0bz I agree that we have to utilize alt. energy, YES! It will match our prosperity now and more....with a RBE in place, that is.
And I'm not talking about prosperity by junk trinkets and excess gluttony. I'm talking about the highest educ. ever, the highest tech ever, including medical...free travel and no social hierarchy...
FREEDOM to pursue what you want to do, and freedom from life thwarting stressors and monotonous chores and maintenance from this system. Phenomenal!!!
as you know, I think all these claims about RBE are as unlikely as the ideals of Free Market (hazard=monopoly) and Communism (hazard=Police-State)
there's an inherent complexity to human affairs that will produce a problem *somewhere*. I can't see global co-operation, elimination of borders, unanimous agreements..
@walter0bz the alt. energy will be improved with concentration on it...we will suffer to transition, but there's no doubt in my mind we're going to suffer in the future from this globalization of elites......as they no longer care about our consumption patterns to make money......they're trading/spending/ etc among themselves and there's alot of money to be made from the crash by them at all of our expense. SEE Plutocracy/City group article.
@walter0bz "WHILE WE HAVE OIL the cost of living has gone down."
That seems to conflict with your claim that oil has been running out. While oil has supposedly been running out, living standards have been going up, rather than down. Why is that?
Do you think there might be something wrong with your resource-fixity theory?:
UK had economic boost through most of my lifetime, 1980 onward,from North Sea Oil.
Production peaked in 1999.
And what a suprise, a credit boom was used to fake continued economic growth. Private sector stagnated, but government kept people thinking everything was OK by creating PUBLIC sector non-jobs (& promising pensions).
Now its all come to surface - the available resources do not back up the paper wealth of rising house prices
Really? Living-standards in the 2000's were not higher than in the 1990's? Please show your evidence. (Normally I would volunteer to cite evidence myself, but there seems to be a lot less data for the UK than for the US and the world.)
"the available resources do not back up the paper wealth"
What percentage of household income is spent on energy in the UK? In the US, it's close to zero.
I would mean "owner-occupied housing". I am not certain that is what others mean by it.
"or population having jumped onto mortgage ponzi scheme"
I don't know what that means (I know what Ponzi is, but I don't know what you are referring to and whether or not it is different from "owner-occupied housing").
In 1947, two architects, Holden and Holford, prepared a report for the City of London on how to plan in the post-war period [...] A standard plot ratio was proposed limiting the usable floor space in commercial buildings to a multiple of the acreage of the site, in order to limit the height and density of new buildings. Furthermore, these restrictions were designed to protect adjacent structures from being deprived of air and daylight.
As H. G. Welles pointed out, ensuring access to air and daylight is irrelevant in a modern world. The reasoning behind "light an air" regulations -- also known as "setback requirements" -- was fairly sound when they were first proposed: in the 1910's, when horse-pollution of the air was high, and electric-lighting was young.
So, you have in London, housing made expensive, artificially, via government-regulation designed to protect the public from threats that do not exist in a modern age.
so, the buildings are shorter and more spread out.
Londons population density has reached a point where they need to build desalination plants. In a country known for wet weather, this is clearly insane.
The rainfall per person is the same as in the middle-east.
The LAST thing we need is more residential accomodation - we need the population capped.
@walter0bz "are you disputing the population density statistics?"
No. I'm disputing the claim that UK has a land shortage. Living more-vertically (e.g. in taller buildings) = living with more room for everyone.
If we could completely-depopulate the UK, and the rest of the world as well, putting all of those 6.8 billion people of the world in Greater New York City (at 1 million people/sq mi), in buildings averaging 100 stories, there would still be:
@walter0bz "Londons population density has reached a point where they need to build desalination plants."
Everything's cheaper in larger amounts -- and every population is easier to serve, the denser it is. How much of their incomes do Londoners spend on water?
If you're worried about how much Londoners spend on water, you should be inviting more people to move to London.
And there is really no need for a desalination plant, since London could easily adopt closed-loop water recycling.
>>"How much of their incomes do Londoners spend on water?"
dont know and dont care.
the issue is, if we're needing to burn fossil fuels to produce water when it is a resource that fall out of the sky, there are clearly too many humans
@walter0bz "if we're needing to burn fossil fuels to produce water"
What would fossil-fuels have specifically to do with water-production? It doesn't specifically require fossil-fuels. It requires energy. Why do you value basic-energy so much more highly than does society, and why do you value the potable-water successes (including success in reducing water-cost and incidence of water-borne disease) of the last two centuries so much less than does society?:
@hitssquad - if we built new nuclear stations great, but we dont have uranium either.
At the point we need to import energy for basic WATER, IMO that is just taking economies of scale etc too far in wrong direction, stretching the carrying capacity and just asking for trouble. Basic common sense must over-ride the price signals at that point.
Seperating yourself from the most important resource leaves you vulnerable to exploitation. Knowing how humans behave thats not a good idea.
Agenda 21
Crimble67 1 week ago
Population reduction= HOLOCAUST!
DERP DERP!
Well duuuh, logically this means:
Poverty reduction= HOLOCAUST OF THE POOR!
People can be so stupid. It's extremely depressing seeing how stupid people can be :( We're on finite resources people, we're not asking for you to completely stop reproducing, but just don't overburden the planet with your 20 kids? :D
TurboDally 1 month ago
@TurboDally
Brilliant comment.
JustMereArt 2 weeks ago
Notice how everyone who worked at JPL wants to murder billions of people? Coincidence? Jack Parsons, founder of JPL, was second to Aleister Crowley and head warlock in the USA. Sacrificing a few billion people would probably allow the gating and binding of some pretty spectacular demons. (No I am not a Christian, references to extradimensionals such as demons goes back to at least 5000 B.C. in Sanskrit documents)
needparalegal 1 month ago
This would explain why he is pro nuclear power. Thousands of Fukushimas will certainly reduce the Human population to less than 1 billion people, LOL.
needparalegal 1 month ago
A somewhat slow, thought out reduction in population, done by lower birth rates, not culling, would be fine. Consumption keeps increasing and so does the population. Something has to give. It's a fact. We either slow down now or die due to famine, war, drought ect.
DoctorBlissphd 1 month ago
Believe me "They" WILL start to reduce human population on the planet in the 21st Century.
By the year 2100 global population will be between 500-1000 Million
LISTEN to what he say's at 04:34... He gives clues as to what will be used to cull population numbers...FOOD will be used as the weapon. Just look at what is happening..The price of food is going up and up. Start to stockpile non perishable foods NOW! Before it is too late.
71shoelover 2 months ago
@71shoelover -
the way you write this you sound like you get cause and effect the wrong way round. Food supply will reduce itself (food is a side effect of what plants do & decided by 'gaia' itself) consequently there will be winners & losers in competition to get & keep supplies. our parents, grandparents etc bred us in this dead end by not sticking to the 0.5-2billion human range that earth could support with established symbiosis between plants and animals (us)
walter0bz 2 months ago
@71shoelover - some may try to avoid being those who starve by 'stockpiling' or starting wars to kill off competitors, the NWO mass cull although "paranoid/conspiracy" is worryingly , according to game theory, the best survival strategy for any elites that can pull it off; if they don't they take their chances starving with the rest of us.
we can only blame ourselves & parents for this mess. Club Of Rome warned in the 1970's. guidestones. yet pop continued to rise, 4b to 7today
walter0bz 2 months ago
@walter0bz 100% agree with you sir. the planet SIMPLY CAN NOT sustain 7-8-9-10-11 Billion humans.
71shoelover 2 months ago
@71shoelover - ok great :) with the situation i find all you can do is find peace understanding it instead of looking for peeps to blame. I possibly misinterpreted your wording.
most people really don't get it....
they think MMGW is something that can be fixed with recycling plastic bags, or a scam to raise taxes..
.. when in fact peak oil makes it a moot point.
walter0bz 2 months ago
@71shoelover - the situation today is a dead end, no way out. the time to fix it would have been global 1cp in 1980's then we could have held pop peak at 4billion , gradually reduced it by dying of old age.. of course with reduced competition for land and resources life expectancy would rise so it would be a gradual process.
for anyone that thinks renewable energy can save us, plants are already solar-powered nano tech assemblers that provide for our needs.we evolved around them
walter0bz 2 months ago
@walter0bz AT LAST someone on Youtube who has a brain. I also agree with you. The time to fix the problem would have been in the 1980,s and as you say gradually reduce the population through old age. DRASTIC ACTIONS WILL take place. The system as it is now simply CAN NOT go on. The planet CAN NOT sustain a population of 7-8-9-10-11-12 Billion human's
71shoelover 2 months ago
The generation born between 1935 to 1955 are to blame for the over-population of this planet.
They all "Popped out" 5,6,7,8 and more children.
Todays generation are only having 1 or 2 children (as a rule)
SHAME ON YOU OLD FUCKERS FOR OVER-POPULATION OF THIS PLANET.
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anthonyontherocks 3 months ago
Mr. Lovelock did not say that the earth's population would be reduced to 1 billion. He said that given current living styles 1 billion is the most that Gaia could support. That has nothing do to with how many people survive this century's ecological catastrophes and consequent social, political, and economic upheavals. Nobody may survive the coming resource wars and ecological failures.
jimtrueblue99 4 months ago
I've read Mr. Lovelock's books, but he has clearly not given sufficient thought to Britain's plight. As the worlds heats and present food-producing regions suffer drought and enviromental degradation, Britain (which is not now self-sufficient in food production and imports much of what it eats) will suffer food shortages because there won't be food surplusses elsewhere in the world for importation. Britain is in trouble. Accepting more immigrants is a policy for sure disaster.
jimtrueblue99 4 months ago
James Lovelock's "Vanishing Face of Gaia: A Final Warning" is now available in audio, ready by the talented Simon Vance. Check out Post Hypnotic Press.
PostHypnoticPress 4 months ago
MASSIVE respect to this guy....thumbs up!
adcashmo 4 months ago 7
Can some message me what he says from 7:00 until oxigen?
Hes hissing like a viper i cant understand the words.
LordGnaaa 5 months ago
More on this topic and a scientific, economically feasible and ethical way to deal with it at "Overconsumpulation" and "One Planet One Child".
phillips78 5 months ago
What a crock of shit from An old fool with one foot already in the grave. Our world population is not the problem here. It is greed, greed for land, and world resources while people suffer in spite of their attempt to get it. I have a small garden on my property not very big at all. And I grow vegetables that I enjoy. In this small garden there is enough food to share with my neighbors all year long provided the weather was accommodating. I can bet if more people were able to grow their own
99645md 5 months ago
@99645md -
>>" I have a small garden on my property not very big at all. And I grow vegetables that I enjoy."
- you have WAY more fertile land than the average person, lucky you.
See how many people you can fit in a primitive country living the way you do, without industrial agriculture, global trade. if you trade anything with the outside world, your lifestyle is subsidized by fossil fuels. For starters you have a computer aparently
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@walter0bz as an individual, I do not trade out side of the country. There has been many alternatives introduced in place of fossil fuel and I am not condeming technology. I work in the medical field so for me technology is wonderful. However,our technology has advanced enough that we are able to take care of problems concerning population and consumption.You also do not need a large area of land for even one person to grow food for their consumption. There are ways this can be done.
99645md 4 months ago
@99645md -
i like your optimism but i'm really very skeptical we can feed the billions around the world. uk, china, india have 7x, 4.7x, 11x the USA population density. most humans live in densely populated countries. for me it seems clear more energy = more life, less energy = less life.
walter0bz 4 months ago
And yes Fossil fuel has allowed Billions to live but it also condems Billions to die. Once upon a time reaching the moon was impossible to mankind. Now look what we have accomplished. Fossil fuel was the answer in our industrial era and still is today, but we can find ways around fossil fuel if we really wanted to.
99645md 4 months ago
@99645md
>>"but we can find ways around fossil fuel if we really wanted to."
- those in power in current system would want to. if it was possible we'd just smoothly transition over, and the debt bubble could keep expanding. The financial crisis was the powers that be realizing its' all going to go pear shaped soon
walter0bz 4 months ago
@walter0bz well I suppose we are all at a loss and totaly hopeless. And plans for world depopulation will continue.
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@99645md - now you're getting it :)
walter0bz 4 months ago in playlist films
@walter0bz well I hope since you greatly support mass murder as a result of world depopulation, with all due respect. I hope you will be the first in line on the head chopping block. God speed
99645md 4 months ago
@99645md - i support global 1 child policy so that we can die of old age instead of resource wars
walter0bz 4 months ago
@walter0bz I totally reject the 1 child policy, because the first child of a woman is always the problematic one (the ugliest, sickest, physically and morally distorted etc.) Our gene pool will deprecate over time by this.
It's obvious, when we look at some poorer countries, with many kids / family, like Russia, have much more beautiful and kind people than some western countries with few kids / family, like Britain or Germany.
McGuywer 2 months ago
@McGuywer -
(i) ok, so 2 kids per half the couples then? (if your hypothesis is true)
(ii) aren't the genes of the first / Nth child generated by the same process from the same data
(iii) wouldn't differences in looks between east/west be more likely due to poor western diet & cars=less exercise
(iv) isn't russia declining in population i.e fewer kids than west
(v) you'd prefer extra billions to starve ,or do you disagree with Peak Oil theory?
walter0bz 2 months ago
@McGuywer -
oh and sure, if you have 'many kids' subjected to harsh conditions with low survival rate, yes the darwnian forces would keep the gene pool healthier.
But do you really want to live like that ?
another explanation for your hypothesis (if you had a valid observation),is: better healthcare responsible for allowing lower gene quality to propagate. Again a better solution be, healthcare requires loss of 'breeding license' rather than outright extermination
walter0bz 2 months ago
@99645md
>>" I can bet if more people were able to grow their own"
but thats how we started. The method you described was used for thousands of years, prior to the Industrial Revolution, supporting Hundreds of Millions.
Then the use of fossil fuels allowed BILLIONS to live.
You can't ignore this basic fact.
walter0bz 5 months ago in playlist films
@99645md sweet deal. how long has it been since you've bought vegetables at the supermarket? do you grow any staples, such as wheat? if so, is milling it too difficult? i ask because i've been thinking about doing this myself.
minamur 5 months ago
The interviewer obviously hasn't grasped the simple point that just because we are the pre-eminent species, we are not the most worthy species. Gaia does not play favourites.
33hegemon 6 months ago
Scary stuff.
33hegemon 6 months ago
I cant wait for you all to die.
thegafferlives 6 months ago
i vote for these 2 b eliminated for population control.
hross233 6 months ago
@hross233 luckily for them, nature isn't democratic.
minamur 5 months ago
What a great guy. I think it'd would make me happy if he gets to see Gaia from space. :)
Zederzzz 7 months ago
Dear Mr elitist, You first! My God did not make this world too small for all of us, this is YOUR lie. This is radical environmentalism, they will use their money to make your families suffer, like they have done in third world countries, let them have this world, satan rules it, may they and all evil burn together for eternity
SadEarthling 7 months ago
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What a brave man.
carioca56 7 months ago
Great thinkers, like Lovelock, have stated this time after time, and one day, we’re all going to have to take notice. Unfortunately, the sooner we react and take measures to litigate and manage the better, but I fear many just can’t comprehend the problem.
TYwokki 7 months ago
We see evidence in economics, where a nation or state has limit to its growth, we see evidence in our towns as we can grow only so far before we join with other towns, we see evidence of it in our back pockets as shifts in labor markets drive once strong importing countries into weak exporters – all evidence of a constant movement and the limits to our systems that power them.
TYwokki 7 months ago
Every species on the planet has a maximum capacity that any area can allow it, whether it be deep sea Chemotroph and it’s exposure to sulfur, a photosynthesizer and light before it’s burried by taller plant to the darkness or a predtors and their prey on the Mara in Africa, all are limited by a fundamental process of eternal change that allowed the spectrum of life on this planet to develop in the first place.
TYwokki 7 months ago
So many great thinkers have voiced this subject in various times in history - it's quite logical too if you think about it.
TYwokki 7 months ago
I agree the elites don't want to go down the drain with rest of us. Before they die the 6 bill expendables will strip every tree and plant for fuel and food. Riot and tear apart what's already built. with this man's attitude that it is inevitable - why not release a plague that will save the built landscape and resources? While the worthy ones (rich) are in their locked bunkers behind armed guards? Come out and it's done.
1G3001 8 months ago
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I think that a world wide policy of perpetualy alternating periods that forbidd the birth of any children for 5 years followed by a period of 5 years in which the population is allowed to have only 1 child would be a measured and effective approach to significantly reducing the world population and overcrowding dilemma!
newcard123 8 months ago
That are non-govt based. What the scientists/priests/wizards are not telling you is that the Earth is growing but the western world system is killing her. We must fight against them not each other.They're the ones that are ready to sacrifice YOU for THEIR better good but their not prepared sacrifice themselves.They're deciding that you DIE & they live as they have the money so they feel that makes them more important then you.Global warming: LIES,Overpopulation: LIE,No cures 4 Big C & AIDS:LIES
BigKool2000 9 months ago
This is to the25thman, Imollot & DJVori9: Bless you all for having the sense and overstanding of whats going on in the Eart today. We are not overpopulated. The NWO knows that we're not going to go out and count all the heads in the world & do our own census. Go around most of the western world & see how much countrysides there is and farms that homeless people could live in but fat cats call it"private property" & are not willing to share. Wake up and se what is happening. Do give to charities
BigKool2000 9 months ago
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@BigKool2000, "NWO", "see how much countrysides there is and farms that homeless people could live",
Well done for missing the big picture.
welcome to Idiotsville - population - You!
TYwokki 7 months ago
sadly he most likely has the true vision....
Spacerboy 10 months ago
This is wrong because more people means more brainpower to find solutions and survive. A bigger population is an asset, not a liability, that is why we have 7 billion today living better than the few millions in the past.
linghun 10 months ago
@linghun living better?
do you speak about children starving?
or beggars all over the world eating from trash cans?
or numerous people, civilians, killed by guns in great number of wars?
OPEN YOUR EYES
we could all live great, but the rich would have to give some money. so, it's "better" for them to reduce the population and grasp power. i don't know how you can not see it.
DJVori9 10 months ago
@DJVori9 Really, so you think people were living better 200 years ago, 2000 years ago? Of course there is poverty, but less than in the past proportionally.
linghun 10 months ago
@linghun -
we are only living better while we are drawing down the earths capital (in energy and sustainability terms). it is like blowing your inheritence (across ~150 years).. sure if we release energy 100,000+ times faster than it replenishes we can live well.
walter0bz 9 months ago
white man scientist always censor the native indian matriarchy solutions-see only scientists can save us-they destroyed us-never get punished -hope they get ko by animal reacuers-scientists are new priests with all our money we overwork 2 support their failed promises-which we never voted for-like all professionals who say they have right to dictate us -and native cultures esp mothers-grandmothers nature wisdom like birth control plants, cancer herb teas etc
lmollot 10 months ago
young pple who ask for vasectomy or tubes tied- are refused by most doctors- gov want overpop so can have unpaid slaves-now work "volunteers for only room /food bank food-when so much excess-landless women forced to sell/have babies to support the first sibling or pay teachers-land is better than diploma-very sadist fosterkids/orphans organ transplant recruiting on orphans(most still have a single mother or father)-chaos/suffering =profits elite-so steal what u need& take turns 2b rich-only fair
lmollot 10 months ago
chemotherapy and medical hysterectomys/ovary removal of majority women- too bad some husbands want their wife prisoner babies18 family allowance checks for their drug habits,sports cars etc
lmollot 10 months ago
this interviewer seems ignorant and irritating.
ap8308 10 months ago
You are all sick and mentally ill.This is so bizarre, natter on about overpopulation but you won't offer yourselves up to set examples will you, cowardly trash yuppie delinquents.Overpopulation is a myth and the population will soon start to decrease rapidly because western birth rates have been declining, it's only because of massive floods of immigrants that Britain gives the illusion of overpopulation.
the25thman 11 months ago
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Bill Gates is a LIAR! He's an advocate of 95% de-population, like Kissinger & Rockefeller. Gates is currently investing in putting toxic vaccines into MOSQUITOS to further his de-population agenda. Recently, 9 mo. old twins DIED immediately after receiving the MMR vaccine. Dr WAKEFIELD IS RIGHT! Vaccines POISON the population (they tried to make H1N1 MANDATORY last yr? They'll try THAT again to get rid of SS recipients. YOUTUBE: Watch Jesse Ventura's "CHEMTRAILS". Food & water is poisoned
GThomason 11 months ago
He's an optimist but a realist.
Esoparagon 11 months ago
He's a great man by the sounds of it. He's not pro-eugenics he's just realistically looking at our current/future situation. Trust the BBC to perpetuate this dream that we have of us being able to keep our sick mindset going for ever on finite and beautiful planet. We are a sick culture and it might just take the "culling" (what a manipulative word)to take us back to a sustainable and sane civilisation.
hibobslay 1 year ago
John Holdren is Obama's appointed Science Czar. Like all Czars, they were not approved by the Senate, which is unconstitutional. He advocated in his book "Ecoscience", sterilization of the human population by adding a sterilization drug to the food and water supply and the government taking babies away from single mom's. GOOGLE “zombietime john holdren” and click on link.
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Allen West 2012
Angellicationify 1 year ago
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We should take all the semen from the blond people and put in in the Negros in Africa they don't care anyway. they run around like animals and shit. peacefully,We can have a white Africa in 500 years.will team up with Russia.
omega4chimp 1 year ago
word population can going go 9min more
iphoneguy2012 1 year ago
@iphoneguy2012 - world population can peak at 9billion then crash to 1billion
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz Buy at the dip.
martinbelmont 11 months ago
@martinbelmont - or , "start shorting humanity"
walter0bz 11 months ago
This man is wise, but who is listening?
Maribelleification 1 year ago
Lovelock is really pushing for a genocidal agenda, whether he knows it or not, because the elitists know that there is no need to reduce the population. Materials arent running out like they hype, and if they really wanted they could give us all free energy with no problems. It is part of an agenda being pushed that has nothing do to with science or practicality but with satanic ideology, because the ppl behind this at the top of the pyramid (the catholic church) are satanists
HullSerb 1 year ago 2
@HullSerb And by the way, they are going thru with this agenda whether u agree with it or not. They are poisoining and drugging the water and food supply, and they will release new viruses to kill us off. To many this will sound far-fetched, but the scenario he presents would not happen on its own, it is being planned
HullSerb 1 year ago 2
@HullSerb -
it IS possible that the elite have a survival plan that involves pre-emptively exterminating the rest of us.
It is the most rational strategy when you consider peak oil.
If they just take their chances with the rest of us, their survival chances are much lower i.e. 1 in 6
terrifying stuff.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz
they have such a plan no doubt and I think they already tried it sort of a test run with HIV but they need something much more dangerous and virulent than that of course - it will be bad for them too because they will have to get their hands dirty but who gives a fuck about them
donnyab 1 year ago
@walter0bz
tin foil hat alert.
warwize 1 year ago
@warwize .... well, dont say I didn't warn you :)
walter0bz 1 year ago
@HullSerb what does being satanist have to do with anything?
executableapplet 1 year ago
@HullSerb
"free energy with no problems. "
wrong, thats not how nature works.
any organism encountering abundance ("free energy") will generally multiply burning through it until its back in scarcity... unless its smart enough to control its numbers.
walter0bz 1 year ago
There is more on this issue on the video "Overconsumpulation-Overpopulation is NOT a myth" and the doc "How many people can live on Planet Earth?"
checkyoursources 1 year ago
i dont know about this bollox, but the 'human meat balloon' inflates by 80million per year.
we are in 6X overshoot.
and the 4 horsemen are waiting with a big pin!
wittering on about the menace of eugenics wont stop the inevitable world human die off. a one child policy in all countries is necessary to stop by far the greatest human tragedy of all time. a readjustment will happen one way or another, and soon.
andy765gtr 1 year ago
why dos'nt the old guy start with himself and jump in the pond
davetileguy 1 year ago
why dos'nt the old guy start with himself and jump in the pond
davetileguy 1 year ago
this old quack is a satanist or mason, no difference
gnome33 1 year ago
@gnome33
You are a fool. Or perhaps a Christian.
33hegemon 6 months ago
mason son of the bitch, as the world population has increased, our life has just become better, this asshole wants us to go back to renaissance age.
rexirexi 1 year ago
@rexirexi -
no, this is only temporary whilst we're burning fossil fuels.
Gaia made an error locking carbon away in a high energy state.. entropy not maximized. The current 'human bloom' is just a temporary process releasing the carbon ready to be locked back into Limestone which is a much better long term vault.
WIthin 100 years once most of the hydrocarbons have been released, our species will no longer be required; Primates can do the job of seed dispersal perfectly well.
walter0bz 1 year ago
God created us because he needs us, he also created self-learning system to maintain human's population healthy. At this moment we are developing in wrong direction, so we have to be ready for corrections. But don't worry – we'll remain on the Earth as long as it will be physically possible. Then – humans should develop to the new level (following God's development) and will move to the next level of life where we will not need Earth any more. So enjoy as much as you can but touch life gently
underwaterireland 1 year ago
@underwaterireland , there is no god so stop speaking for him. Did he tell you he needs us? If yes, there is medicine for your illness. If no, you are delusional and there is medicine for that too. Get out of the clutches of religion. Its a spirit killer and is largely responsible for the earths Over Population problem.
controlpopulation 1 year ago
@controlpopulation There is creator of this universe (including us), humans call it God. He (or she, but I think that it's a male) needs us as a food.
underwaterireland 1 year ago
@underwaterireland, or maybe there is no god and the universe creates life so it can move up in its evolution like we do over millions of reincarnations. As for a god needing us as food, what is he waiting for? Were overpopulated and he should have pigged out hundreds of years ago.
controlpopulation 1 year ago
nuclear war
maybe that'd help
World War 3 anyone?
CRAPCANNONS 1 year ago
The only logical solution is selective population reduction. I would begin with neutralizing all drug addicts (option to cease using - or face neutralization) , violent crime offenders, rapists, child molesters, murderers, and the criminally insane.
AlembicVapor 1 year ago
@AlembicVapor don't forget the unceasingly ignorant such as yourself!
ShaolinHero1 1 year ago
3 words: RESOURCE MANAGEMENT TECHNOLOGY.
Worried about a food shortage? Grow a garden on your roof! In The City!
Electrical overload? Solar power.
And in the far future..... chemically create your own food and clothing!
Science. :)
stickinup2188 1 year ago
@stickinup2188
I would rather propose a global child policy, because this is where the problem lies.No matter what options there are to avoid food shortage, eventually we will have to look the problem in the eyes. Animals have their birth control sytem, but we are the highest on the chain, so we have to control ourselves.
UFOdisclosure1 1 year ago
@stickinup2188
"grow garden on your roof" - what if you live in a block of flats. each person has minimal area.
"solar power" - needs long power cables (+power loss) to habitable regions + they're manufactured using fossil fuels. human/land Life requires balance of sunlight+freshwater. Solar panels still need water for cleaning which buggers up desert based concentrators (they get covered in sand). The idea of synthesizing hydrogen needs Water to electrolyze..
walter0bz 1 year ago
@stickinup2188
>>"And in the far future..... chemically create your own food and clothing!"
Nothing futuristic about that, where is the energy going to come from?
Nature already has highly complex "nanotechnology" to synthesize food..
"RESOURCE MANAGEMENT TECHNOLOGY" = people trying to sell you something, offering false hope.
walter0bz 1 year ago
James Lovelock is not so smart he is just a front man for the elite. In other words, he is a New World Order fool. Cheated of elite propaganda.
Robert80z 1 year ago
@Robert80z He is an independant scientist and a quacker. How can he possibly be a frontman for an elite NWO conspiracy?
Findiglay 1 year ago
@Findiglay the new world order isnt a conspiracy, its a fact.
gnome33 1 year ago
@gnome33 Look at facts.. facts are no nolonger true
MikeHuntagape 1 year ago
@Robert80z , he's very smart and can see that overpopulation is the real issue behind most of the earths chaos today. We must lower population now!
controlpopulation 1 year ago
I don't believe this at all. But say it was true, you can't just kill people like they're animals. How unintelligent can you be to dwell on money and not the advancement of our race into the universe?
SolidSnake3131 1 year ago
Earth can feed 20-30 billion people without a problem with proper management, its the Illuminati plan to reduce the population to controllable numbers. Clean water systems, free magnetic energy systems, hydroponics if you like, is existing and cheap to reproduce technology, but they wouldn't release these because the population numbers may 'explode' (according to them) whereas de facto the more a society's living standard grows the slower the population growth becomes. (for ex. USA, W. Europe)
vladko77 1 year ago
@vladko77 crops rely on petroleum for pesticides, fertilizers and tractors.take away the oil and the crop will be much smaller, so 20-30 billion people is just a dream.
today we consume 10 calories of oil for 1 calorie of food.
formerutuber 1 year ago
@vladko77 Here is a thought, Plastic causes cancer, and is toxic to animals and humans. its in the water, it seeps into the soil in which we grow crops, and the fish eat the plastic and we eat the fish. Not to mention all the chemically modified food, that is cancerous, that we HAVE to use to feed this 20-30 billion you speak of.
thats without thinking of wars, or oil or anything. I do believe this man is right, about less then 1 billion.
MasonicEyes 1 year ago 9
@MasonicEyes i've heard figures up to 2.3 billion. if you look up malthus on wikipedia, or if you look up world energy consumption, you will find interesting stuff about max population limits for earth.
ambagoli21 1 year ago
@vladko77 - "FREE ENERGY" is impossible, free means UNLIMITED.
nature is finite. life needs continual energy throughput to maintain its complexity, leaving greater disorder (burned fuel) in its wake.
almost by definition all living systems will multiply until they're in scarcity.
Our big problem is we've become accustomed to fossil fuel "lottery win" which is about to run out.
Your example of living standards slowing growth is useless, because USA/Europe consume far more resource per person
walter0bz 1 year ago
"Wasteful, silly ideas like renewable energy.."
Insane comment. Renewable energy..wasteful? This man isn't thinking outside of the failed monetary system. We made it up and we can get rid of it.
Venusproject (dot) com
blaziermissy 1 year ago
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There are solutions. Anytime you have authority figures advocating this an alternative, turn off your television and think for yourself.
blaziermissy 1 year ago
Yes Let us Kill so many people because this man Guesses and he Stick by it. Oh My GOD. what is wrong with these people...!!!?
Ebdan88 1 year ago
@Ebdan88 Agreed. We're living in a profoundly mentally sick society. Our leaders are failing us. Thevenusproject (dot) com
blaziermissy 1 year ago
@Ebdan88 you don't get it don't you?
spreading like locusts and consuming all the resources is not good, that's what pests do.
formerutuber 1 year ago
Why dont you tell people the throuth.That there was 35 miljon in Iran and Today 2 times that. Haiti population was 1/9 of now. and the same history all over the world, Specially Africa. YOU destroy their Economi and land Product, and THEN you FLOOD their market with chep GEN. Manipulated SHEET. Every body knows that when you put to much food in a such countrys(that you helped destroyed). the population Grow Logaritmly, and THEN YOU COME OUT AND SAY 2 much people in the world !!? How Much lays.!?
Ebdan88 1 year ago
Something the climate change nazis always fail to acknowledge are the benefits of climate change ie)the opening up of Greenland and the arctic. Good to see Lovelock is a man who acknowledges all sides of a debate.
tjmac7 1 year ago
Typical BBC screening an interview with James Lovelock at nearly 3 in the morning.
tjmac7 1 year ago
This interviewer is just looking for a fight to pick, he should just shut the fuck up and let the smart guy do the talking cause he offers enlightenment, whereas the former offers brash and trivial criticism. Once again; shut the fuck up and listen, you might learn something.
superheronumber1 1 year ago 27
@superheronumber1 I agree that the interviewer is a tit.
saintdracula1 1 year ago
this old fart sounds like he's high on the globalist agenda.
gnome33 1 year ago
@gnome33 ye he's definitely a globalist, and theyre all satanists. Too many ppl buy this overpopulation story
HullSerb 1 year ago
@superheronumber1 the interviewer presents the programme hardtalk... it's his job to criticise, so the person has a chance to talk about, and defend thier idea's... notice the sharing of smiles?
ryangscott 1 year ago
@superheronumber1... The journalist's name is Stephen Sackur of BBC's HardTalk. ...if you were at all familiar with this show, which is seen worldwide, you'd understand and appreciate the style of questioning and the format of a very in-depth grilling given to all, no matter who they are.
...Once again the small minded with their small insecure world views should shut the fnck up and research... they might learn something.
pedero627 1 year ago
The old britlander straddling Huxley & Orwell puts his finger on the wound that WASP greed led by XIONAZI shylockian financiers & their thinking tanks has brought the planet to. Let's unite in prayer & watch murka burn itself out as the biggest hog of the lot drowns in the trough of its own gluttony and viciousness. Iran is up as the xiodon wasp shiny shit machine connects the dots of Iraq Afghanistan & Iran in a firestorm. Have a shot of soma, in puke caked overalls as the ship goes down. KARMA
charliebarosio 1 year ago
I'm not refuting price signals can ensure efficient resource deployment for any individual in the chain.
But if you're saying GDP makes oil insignificant this must refer to issues of hierarchy /some peeps monopolized key knowledge?
e.g. petrol is useless without an engine, so the guy with blueprints can charge as much as he likes.
Or a landowner can collect rent from everyone (service 1) and spend it on high priced luxuries that *aren't* of the same true value to everyone else
walter0bz 1 year ago
@hitsquad,
is declining IQ the reason UK/USA are in so much debt ?
walter0bz 1 year ago
@hitsquad,
so extrapolating your reply, so you suggest population can continue to rise so long as we have IQ based eugenics?
walter0bz 1 year ago
price signals are great but can demand unemployed people starve.
Right now in UK I do think we're overpopulated,& this is correctly pricing people out of reproduction - i.e. the fact that a family dwelling= increasingly unaffordable - but reproduction is happening anyway based on zombie banks lending to zombie households, & benefits incentivizing the unemployed breeding
Big Problem= tying money supply to home-loans, it assumes prices continually rise but they need to fluctuate
walter0bz 1 year ago
@hitsquad, you cannot create wealth out of thin air.
You can borrow to buy resources, but any responsible loan must be against an existing asset which can be taken if the loan is not repaid.
In this case it should be equivalent to selling the asset and buying something else.
Loans out of thin air produce problems like subprime crisis, bankrupt banks, bankrupt nations
-do you actually accept there's an ongoing economic meltdown?!
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz "do you actually accept there's an ongoing economic meltdown?"
No.
seekingalpha. com/author/mark-j-perry/articles
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There was a minor recession around 2001, and another minor recession that ended about a year ago. In terms of labor-time costs, commodities seem to still be doing what they have always tended to do since 1820, which is get cheaper and cheaper. People seem to still be getting healthier and healthier, and life (for humans) seems to still be getting better and easier.
hitssquad 1 year ago
@hitssquad -
care to comment on the whole baby boomer pension thing...
walter0bz 1 year ago
These predictions are disturbing ... I wish more people watched this video
Mortphine 1 year ago
I guess they don't teach peak oil or exponential growth in journalism school. There's hundreds, more like thousands, of Youtube videos that cover the unsustainability of western civ. Yet this reporter acts like he's hearing it for the first time.
DeathNeedsTime 1 year ago
@DeathNeedsTime In all likelihood it was. Terms like "peak oil" are little more than buzzwords and soundbites to most journalists (except for the old school ones like Bill Moyers or David Frost).
TheSnowballEarth 1 year ago
Reading some of the "yes men" comments here is alienating to me...
Funny, it reminds me of the rantings of religious nutters....some of them can't wait to die either.
blaziermissy 1 year ago
@blaziermissy
I've argued with hitssquad quite a bit
his delusion is that economics will smoothly guide us to alternative energy.
my case is that economics collapsing is precisely *because* of peak oil & the fact that alternative energy can't match it.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz We're either going to have to change our economic system and utilize alternative energy or destroy ourselves like retards.
What's your choice?
blaziermissy 1 year ago
@blaziermissy -
we have to utilize alternative energy
..and accept this can't match the prosperity we're used to
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz I agree that we have to utilize alt. energy, YES! It will match our prosperity now and more....with a RBE in place, that is.
And I'm not talking about prosperity by junk trinkets and excess gluttony. I'm talking about the highest educ. ever, the highest tech ever, including medical...free travel and no social hierarchy...
FREEDOM to pursue what you want to do, and freedom from life thwarting stressors and monotonous chores and maintenance from this system. Phenomenal!!!
blaziermissy 1 year ago
@blaziermissy -
as you know, I think all these claims about RBE are as unlikely as the ideals of Free Market (hazard=monopoly) and Communism (hazard=Police-State)
there's an inherent complexity to human affairs that will produce a problem *somewhere*. I can't see global co-operation, elimination of borders, unanimous agreements..
walter0bz 1 year ago
@blaziermissy -
to smooth the transition, we need much more use of nuclear. thats also finite though.
If we can all happily accept rapid reduction to 3rd world status we can skip that step
We've gone down an irreversable dead end.
but, the fewer babies we have, the greater the living standards will be for the next generation
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz the alt. energy will be improved with concentration on it...we will suffer to transition, but there's no doubt in my mind we're going to suffer in the future from this globalization of elites......as they no longer care about our consumption patterns to make money......they're trading/spending/ etc among themselves and there's alot of money to be made from the crash by them at all of our expense. SEE Plutocracy/City group article.
blaziermissy 1 year ago
@walter0bz "If we can all happily accept rapid reduction to 3rd world status"
What levels of labor-time costs are you figuring reverting to? 1997 levels? 1980 levels? 1950 levels? 1920 levels?:
myslu. stlawu. edu/~shorwitz/Good/myths. htm
"1/2 gal of milk [1920] 37 mins [1950] 16 mins [1980] 8.7 mins [1997] 7 mins"
"1lb loaf of bread [1920] 13 mins [1950] 6 mins [1980] 4 mins [1997] 3.5 mins"
"3lb chicken [1920] 2 hrs 27 mins [1950] 1 hr 11 mins [1980] 18 mins [1997] 14 mins"
hitssquad 1 year ago
@hitssquad - Interesting stats + page, but they dont make your point.
I agree that WHILE WE HAVE OIL the cost of living has gone down.
Oil gives everyone the energy-equivalent of 13 slaves, which is why we currently live so well.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz "WHILE WE HAVE OIL the cost of living has gone down."
That seems to conflict with your claim that oil has been running out. While oil has supposedly been running out, living standards have been going up, rather than down. Why is that?
Do you think there might be something wrong with your resource-fixity theory?:
juliansimon. com/writings/Ultimate_Resource
hitssquad 1 year ago
@hitssquad -
we are going through the tipping point NOW
UK had economic boost through most of my lifetime, 1980 onward,from North Sea Oil.
Production peaked in 1999.
And what a suprise, a credit boom was used to fake continued economic growth. Private sector stagnated, but government kept people thinking everything was OK by creating PUBLIC sector non-jobs (& promising pensions).
Now its all come to surface - the available resources do not back up the paper wealth of rising house prices
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz "Private sector stagnated"
Really? Living-standards in the 2000's were not higher than in the 1990's? Please show your evidence. (Normally I would volunteer to cite evidence myself, but there seems to be a lot less data for the UK than for the US and the world.)
"the available resources do not back up the paper wealth"
What percentage of household income is spent on energy in the UK? In the US, it's close to zero.
hitssquad 1 year ago 2
@hitssquad -
in the UK, a house is now a luxury item
living standards are declining
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz "in the UK, a house is now a luxury item [...] living standards are declining"
So you're saying Switzerland is a Third-World nation?
jakeg. co. uk/essays/housing. htm
"in 1914 home ownership in Britain stood at only 10%, rising to around 49% in 1971 and 69% in 2002"
"1991 statistics show Ireland and Spain with over 80% home ownership, the UK with 67%, the US at 59%, Germany on 40% and Switzerland with only 29%"
hitssquad 1 year ago 2
@walter0bz
"A house is now a luxury item" seems an exaggeration:
mortgageguideuk. co. uk/blog/uk-housing-market/home-ownership-rates-uk
"Home Ownership rates in UK
In 1953, the proportion of owner-occupiers in England was 32 per cent. In 1961 this was 43%
Homeownership rates peaked at just over 70% in 2000. [...] they have now fallen to 68%."
.
It seems you need to cite more evidence to back your claim of UK living-standards declining.
hitssquad 1 year ago 3
@hitssquad
all these stats for home ownership
do you mean home *ownership* or population having jumped onto mortgage ponzi scheme
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz "do you mean home *ownership*"
I would mean "owner-occupied housing". I am not certain that is what others mean by it.
"or population having jumped onto mortgage ponzi scheme"
I don't know what that means (I know what Ponzi is, but I don't know what you are referring to and whether or not it is different from "owner-occupied housing").
hitssquad 1 year ago
@hitssquad, well...
if (a) I rent, Mr Landlord has an object & he charges me for its use. fair enough.
If (b) Mr Banker lends me £ to buy a house, I pay interest (fair enough).
but,
most people in UK beleive (b) makes an Profit compared to (a) automatically.
Yet in both cases, I'm borrowing the same object, and nothing is physically different. (maintainance costs yada yada).
Some people actually crystalized and spent this profit.
Decades later.. what a fucking suprise, we're fucking bankrupt
walter0bz 1 year ago
@hitssquad -
we have zombie households and bankrupt state, zombie banks.
like your subprime situation except we really do have land shortage.
8x your population density.
you can throw stats at me but I actually live here.
most peeps can't afford the types of houses their parents had.
because the population has risen.
Well documented & widely accepted fact, banks were lending to households that can never repay.
It will take 2 decades of austerity to get debt back to reasonable level
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz "like your subprime situation except we really do have land shortage.
8x your population density."
Really? You're talking about land for living-space, rather than for farms? By taking that perspective, you're contradicting the usual Malthusian one.
"banks were lending to households that can never repay."
In the U.S., that was caused by government market-manipulations designed to increase levels of racial-minority home-ownership. Not so in the UK?
hitssquad 1 year ago
@hitssquad -
in the UK, I dont know of any ethnic slant, I just know that banks were lending willy nilly.
IMO Lending doesn't help. Either give a gift, or dont.
Lending is to exploit someone, not help them.
I dont like religions but I fully understand now why some ban Usury
walter0bz 1 year ago
@hitssquad - you sell mortgages or something?
few anectodal egs, none are ethnic minorities.
girl buys house, goes up in price and claims "thats my wedding paid for"
man buys flat, goes up in price, "thats my 6month tour of australia paid for"
man buys house, goes up in price, "I invested the profit in another flat"
all bought with mortgages, then further Mortgage Equity Withdrawal!
it let people spend money that didn't exist.
stealing from future
the future is now.
walter0bz 1 year ago
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@walter0bz "we really do have land shortage. 8x your population density."
Then, why are UK buildings so short?
en. wikipedia. org/wiki/List_ of_ tallest_ buildings_ in_ the_ United_ Kingdom
google. com/search?q=site:juliansimon. com+living+space
"And of course high-rise buildings greatly economize on surface area used for living."
hitssquad 1 year ago
e-architect. co. uk/tall_buildings. htm
In 1947, two architects, Holden and Holford, prepared a report for the City of London on how to plan in the post-war period [...] A standard plot ratio was proposed limiting the usable floor space in commercial buildings to a multiple of the acreage of the site, in order to limit the height and density of new buildings. Furthermore, these restrictions were designed to protect adjacent structures from being deprived of air and daylight.
hitssquad 1 year ago
As H. G. Welles pointed out, ensuring access to air and daylight is irrelevant in a modern world. The reasoning behind "light an air" regulations -- also known as "setback requirements" -- was fairly sound when they were first proposed: in the 1910's, when horse-pollution of the air was high, and electric-lighting was young.
So, you have in London, housing made expensive, artificially, via government-regulation designed to protect the public from threats that do not exist in a modern age.
hitssquad 1 year ago
@hitssquad -
so, the buildings are shorter and more spread out.
Londons population density has reached a point where they need to build desalination plants. In a country known for wet weather, this is clearly insane.
The rainfall per person is the same as in the middle-east.
The LAST thing we need is more residential accomodation - we need the population capped.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@hitssquad
>>"Then, why are UK buildings so short?"
are you disputing the population density statistics??
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz "are you disputing the population density statistics?"
No. I'm disputing the claim that UK has a land shortage. Living more-vertically (e.g. in taller buildings) = living with more room for everyone.
If we could completely-depopulate the UK, and the rest of the world as well, putting all of those 6.8 billion people of the world in Greater New York City (at 1 million people/sq mi), in buildings averaging 100 stories, there would still be:
~2,788 sqft/person = 53 x 53 sqft/person
hitssquad 1 year ago
@walter0bz "Londons population density has reached a point where they need to build desalination plants."
Everything's cheaper in larger amounts -- and every population is easier to serve, the denser it is. How much of their incomes do Londoners spend on water?
If you're worried about how much Londoners spend on water, you should be inviting more people to move to London.
And there is really no need for a desalination plant, since London could easily adopt closed-loop water recycling.
hitssquad 1 year ago
>>"How much of their incomes do Londoners spend on water?"
dont know and dont care.
the issue is, if we're needing to burn fossil fuels to produce water when it is a resource that fall out of the sky, there are clearly too many humans
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz "if we're needing to burn fossil fuels to produce water"
What would fossil-fuels have specifically to do with water-production? It doesn't specifically require fossil-fuels. It requires energy. Why do you value basic-energy so much more highly than does society, and why do you value the potable-water successes (including success in reducing water-cost and incidence of water-borne disease) of the last two centuries so much less than does society?:
ejsd. org/public/journal_article/11
hitssquad 1 year ago
@hitssquad - if we built new nuclear stations great, but we dont have uranium either.
At the point we need to import energy for basic WATER, IMO that is just taking economies of scale etc too far in wrong direction, stretching the carrying capacity and just asking for trouble. Basic common sense must over-ride the price signals at that point.
Seperating yourself from the most important resource leaves you vulnerable to exploitation. Knowing how humans behave thats not a good idea.
walter0bz 1 year ago